Absolutely worth the money! I'm new to the game myself, bought it before the Steam sale. No regrets!
It's a classic ARPG, the story is whatever - endgame grind, item hunts, build creations is what people tend to love about such games.
D4 is more streamlined and aimed at casual gamers, where PoE is grindy, a big time investment and aimed at more hardcore gamers.
Last Epoch is a good balance in between the 2 games I believe.
As someone who played hardcore LE on its opening cycle and got to about level 90, I felt that experience we pretty equal to the experience I get in soft core trade PoE. They were both very good. I would say PoE takes more of a dedication to learning than LE, that being the biggest difference for sure. But beyond that they're both vert fun. I'd say that if you intend to spend 1000 hours, PoE will have the much higher payout. If you're a 5-10hr per week gamer, LE is a better choice.
I will agree with you except for few points
1- if you play melee don't bother with poe the devs hate you and they are actively making melee suck more and more with each update
2-if you want to play without trade you are in for a very tough experience in poe
3-if you don't want to follow a guide with poe then it won't work ! if you don't mind replaying the game multiple times every 10-50 hours because your build keep failing then go with poe
>1- if you play melee don't bother with poe the devs hate you and they are actively making melee suck more and more with each update
Damn, can't escape poe schizo posting even in this sub
Yeah, I never understood the melee hate. I play flicker strike most seasons and it functions just fine. Can do literally all content bar T17 bosses (need to dodge shit, kinda hard). There's a fair amount of melee builds that do the job. IMO totems are the only real issue melee has.
I'd say SSF PoE is very similar to not trading in LE. You have to find and craft your own gear, but you're not limited by the principal barrier of forge potential. An item has infinite potential and you only need the currency. You need to find the crafting currency yourself, sure, but you have to do that in LE yourself too.
Also, with point 3, I'd say that while guides on how to build are useful, the easiest way to teach PoE is for people to understand the difference between "increased" and "more". Increased is a flat addition. Increased armor for example is just +X armor. But MORE armor is a multiplier. 20% MORE armor is 1.2X armor. As long as a player selects as many MORE notables as reasonably possible on their passive tree, it is very difficult to be too far off the beaten path.
As someone who played hardcore LE on its opening cycle and got to about level 90, I felt that experience we pretty equal to the experience I get in soft core trade PoE. They were both very good. I would say PoE takes more of a dedication to learning than LE, that being the biggest difference for sure. But beyond that they're both vert fun.
IMO the game still has a problem in that the quality of content has gone up sharply, but that means old stuff is way worse than new stuff, and it'll take a good while before they modernize everything.
That said, 1.1 has impressed me with how much modernization they could pull off, they fixed a LOT of basic skill and build possibilities in this game now that make sense without need for complications.
IMO I think Last Epoch is a worthy buy because they've demonstrated that their game is getting significantly better over time, but I think it'll take a few more cycles before the game is truly a top tier aRPG.
I think a lot of games have that issue. League of Legends also had a lot of old characters to play, and they had to overhaul each individually for quite a while.
The vast majority of LoL characters were nonetheless played and were balanced. There were never more than 5% of characters that were TRULY deprecated and pointless, or so broken design wise that they had to be kept super underpowered.
Some old ass characters that still have their 2009 models like Corki and Zilean are even constantly in and out of being a pro play staple.
Jarvan has never been reworked. He's still got the same abilities, they're just edited a bit in the effects like the stat scaling on shield or changing how the passive/active attack speed buff stacks or doesn't stack.
He's been the same for 13 years.
Which made him go from being a niche pick to being perma banned/picked in pro play for like a season and a half. In the context of having to be updated to be in line from 1.0 I think it counts
False. His ult was changed in patch 6.5 J4 went on to have a 0.9% pro presence in S6, a 32% presence in S7, and a 26% presence in S8.
J4 ult was never about the damage except on ARAM, it's always been a utility spell for trapping backline champs without dashes.
J4's kit has remained effectively unchanged since his debut.
Right, and it took 15 years. I'm not saying Last Epoch will take that long, but PoE is balanced and also took a decade. Maybe EHG can learn from other games' balance?
the thing is there isnt a lot of top tier arpgs to begin with and LE has already overtaken d3 and d4 for me. PoE is still the king but not for everyone with the ammount of content and depth it provides.
Played PoE from closed beta, and finally dropped the game post harvest league in 2020. The game just runs like dogshit, even on a very high end PC.
Tbh LE feels like PoE but without the trading. Affixes/items/builds have similar depth, but everything can be reasonably crafted/ self found.
I'm pretty sure if you put all the skill trees of each skill of each class together, it would actually be bigger than POE's skill tree, LE has just compartmentalized better.
> The game just runs like dogshit, even on a very high end PC.
Why are you lying lol. I have a high end PC, so do my friends. It does not run like dogshit. Maybe you do not have a true high end PC? The performance is not good in general, I agree with you, but a high end PC can handle it. I run it with 120 fps.
Pretty sure LE is already a top tier ARPG. Sure it has lots of rooms for improvements, but the build diversity, crafting, itemization and gameplay overall is solid and fun. I find Monolith is fine but some people don't like it as end game system, it is really about personal preference.
They just need to improve game performance, optimization & server stability (which is the weakest part of the game), fix more bugs, continue to overhaul outdated and weak skills, bring more content to the game. The game just need more time to develop and sharpen everything up. The game will just getting better over time considering they have already shown us the roadmap towards 1.4 .
Its baseline endgame system is at least years outdated relative to the quality of the newer stuff and the campaign isn't finished, these two factors alone completely disqualify it from top tier. Moreover, there are still classes that are not feature complete; marksman, shaman, forge guard.
I won't say LE is not top tier simply because they only have baseline endgame system right now. Monoliths are not as bad as many people claim, it is like mapping in POE. They are not outdated, in fact they keep updating something about Monoliths every patch. There are dungeons and arena as well although many people don't consider them as part of endgame. At least 1.1 update the game brings brand new 10 Harbringers and 1 Pinnacle Boss to the game.
When POE launched the game didn't have a lot of endgame content as well. What POE has right now is accumulated by 10 years of development with numerous leagues / seasons update. You can't expect LE to have a lot of endgame content when the game just launch not long ago. In fact LE already has more content than D4 (at least when compared to D4 launched last year) which is a big LOL.
I agree LE Campaign is unfinished and it is quite lame to see it remains unfinished after launch. But I believe most of us just want to jump to the endgame as fast as possible instead of playing the long campaign again and again (Yes I think it is long even it is unfinished). It is bad but I don't blame EHG priotize endgame content over campaign which is what they bring us in 1.1 with brand new Pinnacle Boss.
The main reasons why I consider LE is top tier because of the build diversity, fun and interesting skill trees, amazing crafting system, good itemization, innovative item factions system to cater both Trading and SSF players, QoL features such as loot filter and stash auto sorting etc.
To be fair if I want to disqualify LE from top tier ARPG, it will never be due to endgame or campaign, but the poor server stability and game optimization.
I think you're leaning in too heavily on your enjoyment of the game, which is entirely subjective. Tier systems exist to attempt to make a reasoned ranking between things, if they didn't, then they would just be a 'how much do I like this thing' list, and that is not the point of a tier list.
'missing and deprecated features' are objectively a mark against a game if it's supposed to be competing with the best that a category can offer, doubly so since it's a buy-to-play title.
PoE was not a top tier game when it released either, it took several years to even get the potential.
I understand your point but it also depends how high a standard you want to set to be considered as "top tier". If we talk about the endgame system, no ARPGs can have a great amount of endgame content when released. No, it will never happen. POE, LE, GD, D4 etc… None of them.
Game development takes time. ARPG is a genre where you keep updating the game from time to time, bringing more content through seasons updates or expansion. Because there are so many different skills, passives, items, monsters need to balance around. You have to monitor your game, receive feedback, change and improve from time to time. Miracles won't happen, no company is able to release an ARPG in full form or full potential unless the game developers take 20 years to develop the game before releasing it. And it is just impossible.
So imo the most important thing when we talk about ARPG is their core mechanics and fundamental designs. LE has great fundamentals: Skills are interesting, build diversity is great, crafting is solid, most game mechanics are clearly explained in game guide, QoL features are neat. All these elements easily build up the game potential for future development so we can have more content. If a game has bad fundamentals, it won't last long nor to be considered as a good game even if it is finished.
Let's take D4 as an example, boring skill tree and bad itemization. So Blizzards make some loot overhaul for Season 4 to save their game. Why overhaul? Because the loot drop originally is shit! It is a really simple concept. LE also overhauls some of their outdated skills in 1.1, but it is not because of bad fundamentals, they are just outdated and need to be brought up to match with newer classes' power and capabilities when doing new content.
What I am trying to say is, in ARPG genre, if a game has the potential to be top tier it is already top tier. This is just the nature of this genre how these games grow and become better. Look at D4, even with the changes in Season 4, I doubt people will consider the game as top tier or a game with potential to be top tier. To most ARPG veterans, D4 is only superior in graphics and visuals. That's all.
I am not arguing, just showing some different points of view. So take my words easy and chill.
I would personally recommend getting Last Epoch. It has come a long way and keeps getting better. Im excited for this new cycle coming in 2 days and also to see what else EHG has in store.
It is but they don't have seasonal mechanics yet so it is really just an economy reset and nothing else.
Edit: Since people took this the wrong way, yes the cycle adds a lot to the game but none of it is cycle only like you see in other games. If you play on the legacy server for 1.1 you get the same game that someone on the cycle server is playing in 1.1. There is no cycle only content.
They aren't cycle specific things though, everything it adds is also going to legacy. When he mentions leagues from Path of Exile he is likely talking about the special league only mechanics that the game has. They are there for one league and then usually go away completely. The mechanics are only available on the league servers and not on the standard servers. That is very different than how LE is doing it so far.
You can play legacy 1.1 of LE and you get everything that the cycle players get only you have to wait up to 1 week for the big boss. If you play standard of the next PoE league you miss out on like half of what is added.
They are technically correct in the sense that what is being added is a core mechanic already available to both cycle and legacy. It is "just" a full economic and ladder reset, alongside massive balance changes and dozens of new items.
In my opinion it has been worth it before, but that largely depends on what you like to play and what you classify as worth it.
In my opinion it's more bang for your buck than D4, and the trajectory of the game seems to aim in a very healthy and active direction. The developers are very engaged with the community and we get quite a lot of new content as well as large balance patches here or there. Some might say it's not enough yet, but you have to consider the difference in scale of the studios.
LE sits somewhere between D4 and PoE in terms of complexity (allthough they said they don't limit themselves to staying there), so that could maybe give you some idea whether or not it's a game for you.
Edit:
I saw you're looking into starting a new MMO aswell. Just as a heads up - LE is not an MMO. So if you're considering it alongside ESO or GW2 just be aware that they are very very different types of rpgs.
Yeah, I know Last Epoch isn’t an MMO :) that is why I want to try this game, I want a game to chill and kill some monsters, Last Epoch is that type of game yeah?
Yes that is exactly right! There will be content later on that will probably require you to focus up (if you want to get into that kind of content) but a large part of the core gameplay loop is pretty chill.
Also sorry for people downvoting your post man, perople can be dicks.
As far as content goes it obviously has less content at the moment than arpgs that have been out for longer. But considering how young it is, it already has some very interesting and deep mechanics. For example the crafting system is largely considered one of the best ones in the arpg space. So you'll probably get quite some time out of it, if you enjoy that kind of game.
In my opinion, LE also caters more to people who enjoy making multiple characters than maybe other arpgs. That might be a very subjective take though.
>In my opinion, LE also caters more to people who enjoy making multiple characters than maybe other arpgs.
I think that's a fair take. Early monolith progression is a little unfriendly to alts, but they seem to be adding more tools to speed up alt progression with each patch. And having campaign skips for overgeared characters puts LE way above PoE in that regard.
on 1.0 i already spent like 100 hours just making my own builds and with the ammount of updates i can now do that again on 1.1. i love it. LE provides the right ammount of depth for this kind of thing so even beginners can see and use synergies to their advantage
if you like the genre you will get a couple dozen hours no problem, if you REALLY like the genre you can get 100+ no prob, if you REALLY REALLY like the genre you can get like 200 but honestly past that you really just run out of stuff.
That's what cycles are for. New stuff when you run out of stuff.
Pretty much all the games I play are like this nowadays, regardless of genre -- "game as service" whether it's a season, DLC, expansion or just a big content patch always right around the corner.
Yeah for sure, ran out of stuff to do but i am excited to get at least another few dozen hours in this new cycle, especially since its a few weeks before poe league so plenty of time.
Cycling through multiple "games as a service" games to never run out of content has been my Strat for a bit. I also tend to play past just completing all the content for fun so I still have room for when new non-GaS games come out lol.
If you enjoy making your own builds and creating lots of characters to try out all kinds of builds, absolutely yes.
If you're the type who only makes a single character and wants to put hundreds of hours into it, then Path of Exile would be a better choice at the moment, as LE doesn't have that good of an endgame longevity yet as there aren't too many different acticities to do yet while Poe throws a fuckton of mechanics at you, so the endgame grind stays fresh for much longer.
In short - in my subcetive opinion - it's better then PoE because it's not overcomplicated and it's better then D4 because it's not that "stupid", easy and dull. It perfectly fits in the middle between those 2 games.
Imo it is fine. Depends on which server and how is your network. Overall the game runs fine for me online, sometimes there is lag spikes / desync but it just happens occasionally. I am not sure but I feel like there is 0.25 sec input delay when using skills but it doesn't affect gameplay and responsiveness much, pretty much negligible.
Also, don't play Rogue's Umbral Blade. That skill is buggy as hell with collision problem or something else, especially online mode. Even you take "Precision Cut" node the blade just don't fall at your cursor consistently. They can randomly fly off screen for whatever reason.
I thought it was worth $35 when it came out. If it's on sale and it has more stuff now, then totally worth it. It's definitely not a "OMG quit your job and drink energy drinks so you can play this game 20 hours a day for years".
It’s no Grim Dawn, but I picked it up to try something different and have been pleasantly surprised. It’s enjoyable to play and the graphics are good. Early yet, but a nice start.
I absolutely love LE up until endgame, coming up with my own builds and respecting is awesome. then it is barren and boring. I made 4 characters in LE and played a total of 82 hours before I stopped. Performance is also ass, and multiplayer is spotty, all my friends stopped playing LE long ago
I have 900 hours in D4. D4 is much more enjoyable for me, but I’m excited for LE to add sorely needed content and playing it again. I have several friends playing D4 still so it’s fun to group. If I was solo I’d probably have ditched it already
Looks like tons of QOL updates and balancing this upcoming patch, so I’m excited to dive back in. Pinnacle bosses look cool
For the price, LE is 100% worth it
I would say it's preference. D4 has its open world and feel a bit better from graphics and animations, but the whole loot and crafting is better in LE. For me the biggest point is the variations in the skills and all the customization options. In d4 it's 10% more damage...boring...
Popularity is a loose correlation to quality. A single McDonald's location serves more people than a local ethnic food shop every single day. A local ethnic food shop serves more people than a Michelin star restaurant. And all of them are quality.
Diablo has a brand name, marketing budget, and is high enough quality to convert sales and retain players decently well. 12 million units sold in 2 months after release. Active io reports 3.8 million unique users last 30 days for D4.
Last epoch is a Kickstarter funded developer with fresh ideas that is mostly word of mouth discovery. Sold 2 million units the month of its release. Active io reports 1.6 million unique users last 30 days for last epoch.
Being about 42% as popular as the recently reinvigorated pinnacle series title of the genre is pretty good.
In current d4, 2 of 5 classes are almost wotthless trash, rogues and necros are decent but barb is so much better than all of them that its actually funny.
Also LE more than 2 viable builds per class, that's at least 30 different ones right there. That's more viable endgame builds in LE than D4 has builds in total.
That sounds like D4's sorcerer and druid to me. D4 doesn't even have that many skills and still consigns a lot of them to uselessness, based on the PTR.
Hi everyone.
I have a question. I have old offline character. Lvl 75 in endgame. Can I join guild somehow? Or I must create new character and go again through campaign?
Depends on how much you value your time and money. Personally, it strikes every checkbox i wanted from and arpg, it's cheap, and it's fun.
Is it objectively better than competitors? On some aspects it's great, on others is lacking. But there's a reason why D4 copied crafting and itemization from LE when they revamped it in season 4.
I think it's worth it and already got my money's worth last cycle, over 200 hours played which I really enjoyed. That's a fine return on value as far as I'm concerned. But I will help you understand what you're getting into by comparing it to other ARPGs in the genre I've played:
* LE sits between D4 and PoE on the complexity spectrum. Whereas D4's loot, gearing and skill systems are extremely basic and PoE's extremely complex, LE hits that middle ground. It has a rich skill system, but you don't need a PhD to understand it and confidently experiment with homebrew builds.
* LE also sits between D4 and PoE in the graphics and interactive design department. PoE feels quite old at this point and D4 is probably the most polished ARPG when it comes to these things. You will find people in this sub downplay the significance of this difference, but honestly, a casual player is likely to find the tactile feel of playing LE less impressive than D4, but more impressive than PoE. D4 failed in a lot of ways, but their interactive designers and animators with all the attention to detail is top notch and is head and shoulders above what anyone else has been able to do.
* LE has the best crafting system of any ARPG imo. It's super impressive and positioned to be even more rewarding than it already is com patch 1.1. It's intuitive and, once you understand it, provides a rewarding minigame allowing you a chance to augment and customize your gear further.
* Finally, the pace at which LE has been making changes and improvements is, frankly, impressive. So, it also would seem like your initial investment in the game is likely to pay off down the road as the game evolves and improves over time. Seriously, I think they're on a much faster pace that PoE even and definitely faster than D4. I think it may become the superior live service game. My only doubt about that is that I really don't understand their profit model going forward. Like, I actually want them to market their in-game purchases more (never thought I'd say that about a game) and make them more attractive because I want this game to continue to survive and evolve and I don't see how it can if they aren't monetizing in-game transactions effective for the long haul. PoE nailed this. D4 will keep putting out expansions WoW style. Not sure how LE is going to keep making dough after everyone has made the initial purchase.
Honestly unless you are realy in the genre its an ok game but i would say no for nod, wait 1 or 2 more patch and see if they had actual content.
Problem right now there is still no end game content and the new patch didnt had any realy.
Its a bit overwhelming that after 1.5 year and so much feedback and ideas they didnt bring anything new for end game and we are just stuck with repetitive echo grinding with no twist or side content
The new patch did add endgame content with Harbingers and the Pinnacle Boss though. And Monoliths aren't really any different than D3's GRs, D4's pits or PoE's Maps.
Yes absolutely. If they improve and add more content to the endgame they will be the best ARPG on the market. That's the only thing slowing them down is lack of any endgame.
I think LEs biggest hurdle is their engine. Compared to the other big titles, imo the game is better in many categories, but combat feels quite a bit inferior to D4 and POE. The game just isn’t smooth, you do get used to it, but then if you play something else it’s like wow I wish LE could take that.
The only time POE beats LE in combat is when you have a fully decked out char with lots of atk/cast speed. I thought D4 was smooth too until I just played it for more than one char and realized how fucking terrible the game is combat wise. No attack speed, getting stuck in pebbles, disgusting latency etc. Diablo 3 felt infinitely better
Can't say the same thing, in both builds I played on lady epoch, half of my things weren't even hitting the enemies and the feedback of my actions has horrible
You’re only going to see positive answers upvoted here but I’d say it’s not worth it.
There’s tons of bugs in the game, it’s lacking basic ARPG features like comparing offhand/rings, and they’ve abandoned a bunch of classes for shiny new ones. Oh and the update cadence is nonexistent with them not fixing bugs/buffing struggling classes/factions during “seasons”.
I think you're getting downvoted because this seems like an unbalanced and disingenuous response. While it is true they abstain from balance patches mid-cycle generally speaking, they have made mid-cycle patches to address bugs. Like, that's a fact. And their 1.1 patch is going to completely change the meta. There are some builds that feel like they need love still and skills that definitely need buffs to be viable (black hole for example), but to say they have abandoned struggling classes as a general statement feels false to me. There's a lot of incentive to play classes that were weaker in 1.0 if you read the patch notes. And they nerfed the broken builds that defined the previous meta. As far as cadence....I mean, the game came out 3 months ago and their first new cycle patch is more robust than what we get from most cycle patches in other ARPGs. There's an impressive amount of stuff in there. If they keep up this "cadence" going forward, this game is going to expand dramatically over the next 9 months and we'll be looking back on its release anniversary and realize just how impressive this dev's team velocity was.
Game is great but it’s changing a lot. Beta was completely different and 1.0 was just grinding corruption numbers to insane amount. Now you have new nemesis system and some endgame bosses to kill. Absurd build were nerfed a lot too. In a year I think it will be completely different game.
Base is good but a lot of work is needed to polish endgame loop. I want to get 200 hours from this cycle with how easy alts are becoming now.
It was worth buying for 1.0, it's more worth buying for 1.1.
I'd say on average people got like 50-100 hours of content out of 1.0, probably gonna be like 70-120 hours in 1.1.
I have 70+ games in my library in Steam and LE became my favorite game 2 years ago. Since then they have only added and improved. So according to me it is totally worth the price.
I'd been waiting for the game to see some updates before diving in, and I bought it this week because the 1.1 patch looks really good. I've played about 4 hours and even though it's the 'old' patch (1.1 comes out in a few days) it's very good.
There are things other ARPGs do better, but to me the most fun part of this type of game is the character building. In that area I feel like Last Epoch is best in class - there is lots of variety, but the skill and mastery system is extremely well done so it's not overwhelming.
I bought it last week and have like 35 hours now the gameplay is fun the power creep is satisfying nice lucky moments when you find a good item for your build all what an arpg needs
I don't know honestly. I didn't even get past the tutorial area before getting kinda bored but had afked too long and couldn't get a refund so I'm planning on sitting down and giving it a proper chance when I can lol
I've been a console player for years. Been looking to get back into pc gaming.
Can anyone help out w a low-mid cost option that could play LE and D4 along w other current games?
Thank you
Check this Reddit [post](https://new.reddit.com/r/buildmeapc/comments/1aq8lw1/what_would_be_the_best_budget_am5_build/) for example. Also, check the medium requirements for each ARPG you like, mainly for VGA. However, you can change the VGA anytime. I would pick RTX4070 or AMD 7800XT. If your budget is lower last generation would also be good (3070-3080/6800XT-6900XT).
Has it gotten better to use with a controller?
Haven’t played since 1.0 was released and got too frustrated with the controller implementation.
I consider D4 the gold standard for controller implementation, Grim Dawn as well.
Grim Dawn has the added benefit of allowing you to swing the camera around with the right analog and no other ARPG has followed this!
Was worth day 1 if you didn't mind playing offline (solo), and quickly after for multiplayer.
It's one of the best diablo-like made in a decade, totally worth playing.
100% yes! It truly has some of the best depth of build design and itemization out of any game on the market. It lacks a little in end-game but that is getting fixed a lot in 1.1 for Cycle 2.
The only other issue is the slightly smaller player base, but you can help fix that! If you love PoE, D2, D3, D4, Grim Dawn, Hero Siege, or Torchlight, you will love this game too!
Here is my confident: Maybe! Atleast if you are interested in the plot. You will probably get a decent amount of hours of gameplay from it regardless. But... the game really lost its pacing and appeal when it got to late game content, and is still plagued by bugs and qol problems.
This game is worth the money. It's relatively new so not as much content as PoE but this new cycle is about to add a decent chunk of new stuff. Developers put a lot of thought and work to constantly improve the game and listen to the community. If you like PoE (or hate D4) you will like this game.
I got 70 hours out of the first season just playing one class and build, and I stopped playing way earlier than I could have. That alone was worth the money, and I'm coming back for 1.1 so I'll easily be over a 100 hours.
Definitely worth it! the game will only get better too
If you love ARPGs such as Diablo, Path of Exile, and Grim Dawn, then yes, 100%. This will be one of the biggest and most maintained ARPGs for the next 10 years.
This game would be worth it even if the base game costs 70€. LE is IMO more worth it than Diablo 4 even if they cost the same price. Not only it's objectively better ARPG but all the future content will be free (similar to POE) unlike Diablo 4 where you will have to buy expansions.
Every time I think giving D4 another chance I remember that because of the dynamic scaling my character feels the same at level 15 and as at level 100. ARPG without real sense of progression is like a FPS without guns. Playing LE cycle 2 and waiting for PoE Beta is far better.
D4 make their game easy by butchering every complex aspect of ARPG playing D4 honestly feel debasing my intelectual level
For now only LE and POE can have my time,POE new league also in like 2 week or so why not give a try man?
> my character feels the same at level 15 and as at level 100
You're doing something wrong then. Did your level 15 character have access to all aspects and uniques needed to enable the build you are using at 100? Or are you just using a random assortment of legendaries that seem good at 100?
I don't think it is quite as good as D4 and PoE is the best in the genre still if you don't mind how complex it is. However LE is a one time buy and the new content is always free. D4 is going to hit you up for a paid expansion every year so the price just keeps getting worse. PoE you really do need to spend money on stash tabs to make the game playable. LE is the best game for its price point and even if it doesn't work for you right away it likely will down the line as they add more and more content. While I said the other 2 games are better it isn't like night and day difference. There will be people who like each of them more than the others.
The game doesn't go on sale too often, and it's very worth it even at full price.
The game currently has 3/4 of a campaign (9 out of 12 planned acts), three dungeons with unique bosses and rewards, an endless arena with a ladder and unique rewards, and an end game maps system featuring a number of bosses (also with unique rewards). There are 5 classes, each with 3 subclasses that have their own identity and feel. There are two factions that can change the way you get items, with one being an auction house and one being for solo self-found. I'm probably missing a bunch of stuff someone can chime in on!
Update 1.1 is coming out in a few days' time and features a new pinnacle boss, and a few other systems to support it including a new faction and new supporting bosses.
It was always worth buying. Still is. The state of the game has been a very split subject but most people agree that the campaign and the timelines were fun the first time they did it.
its been worth it since it became available on its stand alone launcher. I'm a casual player, and have 122 hours invested so far. its a really nice little bite of game play in between seasons of POE and D4. if you like arpg's this fills in nicely via the now standard 3-4 month release cycle of the big 2.
I have kinda similar question but
Is thisj game have some difficult group content? Like some raids or dungeons that i NEED group to finish? Something hard that i actually would have to dodge stuff and do it whit people? I don't want to buy another single player game whit chat
Very worth buying if you like action rpgs - it’s great (other than the deeply unfun dungeon design // endgame item loop aside with the LP system) - and only getting better. Definitely playing 1.1, highly recommend
This game is worth every penny without any sale. Its a fantastic game with great crafting, amazing trade system & plethora of builds to play.
I would like to note if you compare this game to arpgs that are out there for many years you may feel it has less content. But, I am amazed that this game released with this much content when it released. With the harbinger update theres no excuse you gotta get it if you even slightly interested in a game that allows you to create you character inside out.
And by “better long term investment” you mean in D4 you will invest in an yearly expansion at least, but who do we kid, you also “invest” in a premium battle pass every 3 months and in a 60$ mount because we are giga chad
You must be joking. D4's loot is still terrible. Let me know when rares aren't an auto salvage. And long-term investment? They're charging for expansions on top of having cosmetic MTXs and battle passes...
I'm playing D4 from closed beta period and Last Epoch since like 2019 and i must say that D4 is still in terribad shape - game is so dull that new season is enough for 2 weeks of playing... Season 5 doesnt look better either ;-/
LE is getting better and better too, but they're not asking me to pay another 50 bucks for an expansion. And it took D4 a whole year to get the game in a state it should have launched in. The pace of updates in LE is pretty impressive. Their first big cycle patch since launch is more robust than I think anyone imagined it would be. If they keep this up, we'll be looking back a year after release and reflecting on how massive the changes were in aggregate.
Imo it's the best arpg, it offers at least 150h of good and variegated gameplay if you wanna try different classes. It's a "pure" arpg in the sense that it does not rely neither on excessive grinding mechanics (Poe) nor on a superficial catchy gameplay that ends in no content (D4).
The real competitor of LE will be Poe2, atm it's the best shot you can give to arpg if you are not already into the genre.
Best ARPG on the market for people who enjoy a large number of customizations without the overwhelming nature of POE. I also prefer the crafting in last epoch over POE due to it being an important facet of the game from lvl 1-100, with no bar to entry when compared to POE.
Absolutely worth the money! I'm new to the game myself, bought it before the Steam sale. No regrets! It's a classic ARPG, the story is whatever - endgame grind, item hunts, build creations is what people tend to love about such games. D4 is more streamlined and aimed at casual gamers, where PoE is grindy, a big time investment and aimed at more hardcore gamers. Last Epoch is a good balance in between the 2 games I believe.
As someone who played hardcore LE on its opening cycle and got to about level 90, I felt that experience we pretty equal to the experience I get in soft core trade PoE. They were both very good. I would say PoE takes more of a dedication to learning than LE, that being the biggest difference for sure. But beyond that they're both vert fun. I'd say that if you intend to spend 1000 hours, PoE will have the much higher payout. If you're a 5-10hr per week gamer, LE is a better choice.
I will agree with you except for few points 1- if you play melee don't bother with poe the devs hate you and they are actively making melee suck more and more with each update 2-if you want to play without trade you are in for a very tough experience in poe 3-if you don't want to follow a guide with poe then it won't work ! if you don't mind replaying the game multiple times every 10-50 hours because your build keep failing then go with poe
>1- if you play melee don't bother with poe the devs hate you and they are actively making melee suck more and more with each update Damn, can't escape poe schizo posting even in this sub
Yeah, I never understood the melee hate. I play flicker strike most seasons and it functions just fine. Can do literally all content bar T17 bosses (need to dodge shit, kinda hard). There's a fair amount of melee builds that do the job. IMO totems are the only real issue melee has.
I'd say SSF PoE is very similar to not trading in LE. You have to find and craft your own gear, but you're not limited by the principal barrier of forge potential. An item has infinite potential and you only need the currency. You need to find the crafting currency yourself, sure, but you have to do that in LE yourself too. Also, with point 3, I'd say that while guides on how to build are useful, the easiest way to teach PoE is for people to understand the difference between "increased" and "more". Increased is a flat addition. Increased armor for example is just +X armor. But MORE armor is a multiplier. 20% MORE armor is 1.2X armor. As long as a player selects as many MORE notables as reasonably possible on their passive tree, it is very difficult to be too far off the beaten path.
Ctonic fissure also being the coolest arpg skill ever is also a huge plus
As someone who played hardcore LE on its opening cycle and got to about level 90, I felt that experience we pretty equal to the experience I get in soft core trade PoE. They were both very good. I would say PoE takes more of a dedication to learning than LE, that being the biggest difference for sure. But beyond that they're both vert fun.
IMO the game still has a problem in that the quality of content has gone up sharply, but that means old stuff is way worse than new stuff, and it'll take a good while before they modernize everything. That said, 1.1 has impressed me with how much modernization they could pull off, they fixed a LOT of basic skill and build possibilities in this game now that make sense without need for complications. IMO I think Last Epoch is a worthy buy because they've demonstrated that their game is getting significantly better over time, but I think it'll take a few more cycles before the game is truly a top tier aRPG.
I think a lot of games have that issue. League of Legends also had a lot of old characters to play, and they had to overhaul each individually for quite a while.
The vast majority of LoL characters were nonetheless played and were balanced. There were never more than 5% of characters that were TRULY deprecated and pointless, or so broken design wise that they had to be kept super underpowered. Some old ass characters that still have their 2009 models like Corki and Zilean are even constantly in and out of being a pro play staple.
Corki and zilean BOTH had reworks lmao
Well there are basically no champions with way older designs, except ones that work even better in the modern context like Twisted Fate or Jarvan IV.
Both of those were also reworked lmao TF less so but still needed some updating on his passives
Not just his passive. His ult used to be his E ability so he could have it level 1 if he wanted...
Jarvan has never been reworked. He's still got the same abilities, they're just edited a bit in the effects like the stat scaling on shield or changing how the passive/active attack speed buff stacks or doesn't stack. He's been the same for 13 years.
Trynd too. Outside of adjusting his numbers, none of his mechanics have changed.
j4 was not reworked, only major change was making his R aoe
Which made him go from being a niche pick to being perma banned/picked in pro play for like a season and a half. In the context of having to be updated to be in line from 1.0 I think it counts
False. His ult was changed in patch 6.5 J4 went on to have a 0.9% pro presence in S6, a 32% presence in S7, and a 26% presence in S8. J4 ult was never about the damage except on ARAM, it's always been a utility spell for trapping backline champs without dashes. J4's kit has remained effectively unchanged since his debut.
Right, and it took 15 years. I'm not saying Last Epoch will take that long, but PoE is balanced and also took a decade. Maybe EHG can learn from other games' balance?
I assure you that PoE is definitely not balanced lol
DD trying to hide
>PoE is balanced Lol. Lmao even.
Lol, balanced PoE
No, at ANY point, there weren't more than 5% of characters being deprecated. That means 10-20 depending on roster size.
league is in a shit state tbh. and i dint see it getting any better soon
the thing is there isnt a lot of top tier arpgs to begin with and LE has already overtaken d3 and d4 for me. PoE is still the king but not for everyone with the ammount of content and depth it provides.
Played PoE from closed beta, and finally dropped the game post harvest league in 2020. The game just runs like dogshit, even on a very high end PC. Tbh LE feels like PoE but without the trading. Affixes/items/builds have similar depth, but everything can be reasonably crafted/ self found. I'm pretty sure if you put all the skill trees of each skill of each class together, it would actually be bigger than POE's skill tree, LE has just compartmentalized better.
> The game just runs like dogshit, even on a very high end PC. Why are you lying lol. I have a high end PC, so do my friends. It does not run like dogshit. Maybe you do not have a true high end PC? The performance is not good in general, I agree with you, but a high end PC can handle it. I run it with 120 fps.
Pretty sure LE is already a top tier ARPG. Sure it has lots of rooms for improvements, but the build diversity, crafting, itemization and gameplay overall is solid and fun. I find Monolith is fine but some people don't like it as end game system, it is really about personal preference. They just need to improve game performance, optimization & server stability (which is the weakest part of the game), fix more bugs, continue to overhaul outdated and weak skills, bring more content to the game. The game just need more time to develop and sharpen everything up. The game will just getting better over time considering they have already shown us the roadmap towards 1.4 .
Its baseline endgame system is at least years outdated relative to the quality of the newer stuff and the campaign isn't finished, these two factors alone completely disqualify it from top tier. Moreover, there are still classes that are not feature complete; marksman, shaman, forge guard.
I won't say LE is not top tier simply because they only have baseline endgame system right now. Monoliths are not as bad as many people claim, it is like mapping in POE. They are not outdated, in fact they keep updating something about Monoliths every patch. There are dungeons and arena as well although many people don't consider them as part of endgame. At least 1.1 update the game brings brand new 10 Harbringers and 1 Pinnacle Boss to the game. When POE launched the game didn't have a lot of endgame content as well. What POE has right now is accumulated by 10 years of development with numerous leagues / seasons update. You can't expect LE to have a lot of endgame content when the game just launch not long ago. In fact LE already has more content than D4 (at least when compared to D4 launched last year) which is a big LOL. I agree LE Campaign is unfinished and it is quite lame to see it remains unfinished after launch. But I believe most of us just want to jump to the endgame as fast as possible instead of playing the long campaign again and again (Yes I think it is long even it is unfinished). It is bad but I don't blame EHG priotize endgame content over campaign which is what they bring us in 1.1 with brand new Pinnacle Boss. The main reasons why I consider LE is top tier because of the build diversity, fun and interesting skill trees, amazing crafting system, good itemization, innovative item factions system to cater both Trading and SSF players, QoL features such as loot filter and stash auto sorting etc. To be fair if I want to disqualify LE from top tier ARPG, it will never be due to endgame or campaign, but the poor server stability and game optimization.
I think you're leaning in too heavily on your enjoyment of the game, which is entirely subjective. Tier systems exist to attempt to make a reasoned ranking between things, if they didn't, then they would just be a 'how much do I like this thing' list, and that is not the point of a tier list. 'missing and deprecated features' are objectively a mark against a game if it's supposed to be competing with the best that a category can offer, doubly so since it's a buy-to-play title. PoE was not a top tier game when it released either, it took several years to even get the potential.
I understand your point but it also depends how high a standard you want to set to be considered as "top tier". If we talk about the endgame system, no ARPGs can have a great amount of endgame content when released. No, it will never happen. POE, LE, GD, D4 etc… None of them. Game development takes time. ARPG is a genre where you keep updating the game from time to time, bringing more content through seasons updates or expansion. Because there are so many different skills, passives, items, monsters need to balance around. You have to monitor your game, receive feedback, change and improve from time to time. Miracles won't happen, no company is able to release an ARPG in full form or full potential unless the game developers take 20 years to develop the game before releasing it. And it is just impossible. So imo the most important thing when we talk about ARPG is their core mechanics and fundamental designs. LE has great fundamentals: Skills are interesting, build diversity is great, crafting is solid, most game mechanics are clearly explained in game guide, QoL features are neat. All these elements easily build up the game potential for future development so we can have more content. If a game has bad fundamentals, it won't last long nor to be considered as a good game even if it is finished. Let's take D4 as an example, boring skill tree and bad itemization. So Blizzards make some loot overhaul for Season 4 to save their game. Why overhaul? Because the loot drop originally is shit! It is a really simple concept. LE also overhauls some of their outdated skills in 1.1, but it is not because of bad fundamentals, they are just outdated and need to be brought up to match with newer classes' power and capabilities when doing new content. What I am trying to say is, in ARPG genre, if a game has the potential to be top tier it is already top tier. This is just the nature of this genre how these games grow and become better. Look at D4, even with the changes in Season 4, I doubt people will consider the game as top tier or a game with potential to be top tier. To most ARPG veterans, D4 is only superior in graphics and visuals. That's all. I am not arguing, just showing some different points of view. So take my words easy and chill.
Always has been.
I would personally recommend getting Last Epoch. It has come a long way and keeps getting better. Im excited for this new cycle coming in 2 days and also to see what else EHG has in store.
„Cycle” is like leagues in PoE?
Yeah same thing they just wanted to call it something different than league or season i guess 😂
Yeah, cycle = seasons = leagues etc.
It is but they don't have seasonal mechanics yet so it is really just an economy reset and nothing else. Edit: Since people took this the wrong way, yes the cycle adds a lot to the game but none of it is cycle only like you see in other games. If you play on the legacy server for 1.1 you get the same game that someone on the cycle server is playing in 1.1. There is no cycle only content.
The fuck are you on? This new cycle adds a lot of new things.
They aren't cycle specific things though, everything it adds is also going to legacy. When he mentions leagues from Path of Exile he is likely talking about the special league only mechanics that the game has. They are there for one league and then usually go away completely. The mechanics are only available on the league servers and not on the standard servers. That is very different than how LE is doing it so far. You can play legacy 1.1 of LE and you get everything that the cycle players get only you have to wait up to 1 week for the big boss. If you play standard of the next PoE league you miss out on like half of what is added.
I know that but your comment sounded like “it’s just an econimc reset and that’s it
Stop whinging! You were proven wrong with your stupid comment. The Op was correct and has been backed up by others as well.
If this is whining to you then the real world must be a harsh environment for you
They are technically correct in the sense that what is being added is a core mechanic already available to both cycle and legacy. It is "just" a full economic and ladder reset, alongside massive balance changes and dozens of new items.
Well yeah but his comment sounds like the massive balance changes and new systems don’t exist.
Yeah because LE story is about timelines with cycles. So you now?
In my opinion it has been worth it before, but that largely depends on what you like to play and what you classify as worth it. In my opinion it's more bang for your buck than D4, and the trajectory of the game seems to aim in a very healthy and active direction. The developers are very engaged with the community and we get quite a lot of new content as well as large balance patches here or there. Some might say it's not enough yet, but you have to consider the difference in scale of the studios. LE sits somewhere between D4 and PoE in terms of complexity (allthough they said they don't limit themselves to staying there), so that could maybe give you some idea whether or not it's a game for you. Edit: I saw you're looking into starting a new MMO aswell. Just as a heads up - LE is not an MMO. So if you're considering it alongside ESO or GW2 just be aware that they are very very different types of rpgs.
Yeah, I know Last Epoch isn’t an MMO :) that is why I want to try this game, I want a game to chill and kill some monsters, Last Epoch is that type of game yeah?
Yes that is exactly right! There will be content later on that will probably require you to focus up (if you want to get into that kind of content) but a large part of the core gameplay loop is pretty chill. Also sorry for people downvoting your post man, perople can be dicks. As far as content goes it obviously has less content at the moment than arpgs that have been out for longer. But considering how young it is, it already has some very interesting and deep mechanics. For example the crafting system is largely considered one of the best ones in the arpg space. So you'll probably get quite some time out of it, if you enjoy that kind of game. In my opinion, LE also caters more to people who enjoy making multiple characters than maybe other arpgs. That might be a very subjective take though.
>In my opinion, LE also caters more to people who enjoy making multiple characters than maybe other arpgs. I think that's a fair take. Early monolith progression is a little unfriendly to alts, but they seem to be adding more tools to speed up alt progression with each patch. And having campaign skips for overgeared characters puts LE way above PoE in that regard.
I recently just bought LE myself and put about 60 hours into it. Game is good so if you're looking for a chill and kill, this game is for you.
there are hundreds of hours of people playing on youtube if you want to see what the game is like...
For me, $35 was worth it before 1.1 comes out. Unless they take away features the answer is yes.
on 1.0 i already spent like 100 hours just making my own builds and with the ammount of updates i can now do that again on 1.1. i love it. LE provides the right ammount of depth for this kind of thing so even beginners can see and use synergies to their advantage
When you like games like poe and diablo, grim dawn etc. Then absolutely yes. it's a good game and in the next days comes a update too
if you like the genre you will get a couple dozen hours no problem, if you REALLY like the genre you can get 100+ no prob, if you REALLY REALLY like the genre you can get like 200 but honestly past that you really just run out of stuff.
That's what cycles are for. New stuff when you run out of stuff. Pretty much all the games I play are like this nowadays, regardless of genre -- "game as service" whether it's a season, DLC, expansion or just a big content patch always right around the corner.
Yeah for sure, ran out of stuff to do but i am excited to get at least another few dozen hours in this new cycle, especially since its a few weeks before poe league so plenty of time.
Cycling through multiple "games as a service" games to never run out of content has been my Strat for a bit. I also tend to play past just completing all the content for fun so I still have room for when new non-GaS games come out lol.
A good ARPG that doesn't require you to spend extra $$ after you bought the game itself. It's not easy to find one nowadays
If you enjoy making your own builds and creating lots of characters to try out all kinds of builds, absolutely yes. If you're the type who only makes a single character and wants to put hundreds of hours into it, then Path of Exile would be a better choice at the moment, as LE doesn't have that good of an endgame longevity yet as there aren't too many different acticities to do yet while Poe throws a fuckton of mechanics at you, so the endgame grind stays fresh for much longer.
In short - in my subcetive opinion - it's better then PoE because it's not overcomplicated and it's better then D4 because it's not that "stupid", easy and dull. It perfectly fits in the middle between those 2 games.
It was worth it at launch. It's worth it even more now
Don't buy it if you want the full story and if you can't wait for the last chapter to release.
Do we know when that comes out?
all I want to know is, is online unfucked now? 1.0 online play was such a god damn mess.... and for so long too
Imo it is fine. Depends on which server and how is your network. Overall the game runs fine for me online, sometimes there is lag spikes / desync but it just happens occasionally. I am not sure but I feel like there is 0.25 sec input delay when using skills but it doesn't affect gameplay and responsiveness much, pretty much negligible. Also, don't play Rogue's Umbral Blade. That skill is buggy as hell with collision problem or something else, especially online mode. Even you take "Precision Cut" node the blade just don't fall at your cursor consistently. They can randomly fly off screen for whatever reason.
damn that kinda sucks, ill keep all of that in mind, I appreciate the answer!
I thought it was worth $35 when it came out. If it's on sale and it has more stuff now, then totally worth it. It's definitely not a "OMG quit your job and drink energy drinks so you can play this game 20 hours a day for years".
It’s no Grim Dawn, but I picked it up to try something different and have been pleasantly surprised. It’s enjoyable to play and the graphics are good. Early yet, but a nice start.
It's much better game than D4
I absolutely love LE up until endgame, coming up with my own builds and respecting is awesome. then it is barren and boring. I made 4 characters in LE and played a total of 82 hours before I stopped. Performance is also ass, and multiplayer is spotty, all my friends stopped playing LE long ago I have 900 hours in D4. D4 is much more enjoyable for me, but I’m excited for LE to add sorely needed content and playing it again. I have several friends playing D4 still so it’s fun to group. If I was solo I’d probably have ditched it already Looks like tons of QOL updates and balancing this upcoming patch, so I’m excited to dive back in. Pinnacle bosses look cool For the price, LE is 100% worth it
Yes it is. If D4 isn’t scratching that Diablo itch. This game will.
Not anymore
I would say it's preference. D4 has its open world and feel a bit better from graphics and animations, but the whole loot and crafting is better in LE. For me the biggest point is the variations in the skills and all the customization options. In d4 it's 10% more damage...boring...
Im gettin downvoted like crazy but playercount really shows this game isnt so good as you make it out to be. 2-4k average players is very very low.
Popularity is a loose correlation to quality. A single McDonald's location serves more people than a local ethnic food shop every single day. A local ethnic food shop serves more people than a Michelin star restaurant. And all of them are quality. Diablo has a brand name, marketing budget, and is high enough quality to convert sales and retain players decently well. 12 million units sold in 2 months after release. Active io reports 3.8 million unique users last 30 days for D4. Last epoch is a Kickstarter funded developer with fresh ideas that is mostly word of mouth discovery. Sold 2 million units the month of its release. Active io reports 1.6 million unique users last 30 days for last epoch. Being about 42% as popular as the recently reinvigorated pinnacle series title of the genre is pretty good.
Player count is a representation of quality? The best games would be mobile games then AFAIK.
Cmon man, at least try and bait if you're going to troll
Wait until that “new loot system” smell wears off and you realize how bland and lazy tempering and masterworking really are.
This game can have some pretty bad build balance, but it can't compare how to how the broken the build disparity in D4 is.
Diablo IV has more viable builds, endgame wise, than LE. LE literally abandoned multiple classes and left them in the dumpster
In current d4, 2 of 5 classes are almost wotthless trash, rogues and necros are decent but barb is so much better than all of them that its actually funny. Also LE more than 2 viable builds per class, that's at least 30 different ones right there. That's more viable endgame builds in LE than D4 has builds in total.
That sounds like D4's sorcerer and druid to me. D4 doesn't even have that many skills and still consigns a lot of them to uselessness, based on the PTR.
Hi everyone. I have a question. I have old offline character. Lvl 75 in endgame. Can I join guild somehow? Or I must create new character and go again through campaign?
Depends on how much you value your time and money. Personally, it strikes every checkbox i wanted from and arpg, it's cheap, and it's fun. Is it objectively better than competitors? On some aspects it's great, on others is lacking. But there's a reason why D4 copied crafting and itemization from LE when they revamped it in season 4.
I think it's worth it and already got my money's worth last cycle, over 200 hours played which I really enjoyed. That's a fine return on value as far as I'm concerned. But I will help you understand what you're getting into by comparing it to other ARPGs in the genre I've played: * LE sits between D4 and PoE on the complexity spectrum. Whereas D4's loot, gearing and skill systems are extremely basic and PoE's extremely complex, LE hits that middle ground. It has a rich skill system, but you don't need a PhD to understand it and confidently experiment with homebrew builds. * LE also sits between D4 and PoE in the graphics and interactive design department. PoE feels quite old at this point and D4 is probably the most polished ARPG when it comes to these things. You will find people in this sub downplay the significance of this difference, but honestly, a casual player is likely to find the tactile feel of playing LE less impressive than D4, but more impressive than PoE. D4 failed in a lot of ways, but their interactive designers and animators with all the attention to detail is top notch and is head and shoulders above what anyone else has been able to do. * LE has the best crafting system of any ARPG imo. It's super impressive and positioned to be even more rewarding than it already is com patch 1.1. It's intuitive and, once you understand it, provides a rewarding minigame allowing you a chance to augment and customize your gear further. * Finally, the pace at which LE has been making changes and improvements is, frankly, impressive. So, it also would seem like your initial investment in the game is likely to pay off down the road as the game evolves and improves over time. Seriously, I think they're on a much faster pace that PoE even and definitely faster than D4. I think it may become the superior live service game. My only doubt about that is that I really don't understand their profit model going forward. Like, I actually want them to market their in-game purchases more (never thought I'd say that about a game) and make them more attractive because I want this game to continue to survive and evolve and I don't see how it can if they aren't monetizing in-game transactions effective for the long haul. PoE nailed this. D4 will keep putting out expansions WoW style. Not sure how LE is going to keep making dough after everyone has made the initial purchase.
It's alright, PoE does fill the arpg feeling for me good enough
It was fun but graphics aren’t that great IMO. But compared to D4, it was worth it price wise. Plus you get a lot of stash space!! 😂
It's worth buying on 30.09.2028
Between playing Project Diablo 2, Diablo 4 and POE seasons, I have no more time or patience to commit to another ARPG.
Honestly unless you are realy in the genre its an ok game but i would say no for nod, wait 1 or 2 more patch and see if they had actual content. Problem right now there is still no end game content and the new patch didnt had any realy. Its a bit overwhelming that after 1.5 year and so much feedback and ideas they didnt bring anything new for end game and we are just stuck with repetitive echo grinding with no twist or side content
The new patch did add endgame content with Harbingers and the Pinnacle Boss though. And Monoliths aren't really any different than D3's GRs, D4's pits or PoE's Maps.
Yes absolutely. If they improve and add more content to the endgame they will be the best ARPG on the market. That's the only thing slowing them down is lack of any endgame.
I think LEs biggest hurdle is their engine. Compared to the other big titles, imo the game is better in many categories, but combat feels quite a bit inferior to D4 and POE. The game just isn’t smooth, you do get used to it, but then if you play something else it’s like wow I wish LE could take that.
The only time POE beats LE in combat is when you have a fully decked out char with lots of atk/cast speed. I thought D4 was smooth too until I just played it for more than one char and realized how fucking terrible the game is combat wise. No attack speed, getting stuck in pebbles, disgusting latency etc. Diablo 3 felt infinitely better
Yeah but in POE that is like 8 hours into a new league. Day 2 you are at the level where it feels a lot smoother than LE with most builds.
Can't say the same thing, in both builds I played on lady epoch, half of my things weren't even hitting the enemies and the feedback of my actions has horrible
You’re only going to see positive answers upvoted here but I’d say it’s not worth it. There’s tons of bugs in the game, it’s lacking basic ARPG features like comparing offhand/rings, and they’ve abandoned a bunch of classes for shiny new ones. Oh and the update cadence is nonexistent with them not fixing bugs/buffing struggling classes/factions during “seasons”.
I think you're getting downvoted because this seems like an unbalanced and disingenuous response. While it is true they abstain from balance patches mid-cycle generally speaking, they have made mid-cycle patches to address bugs. Like, that's a fact. And their 1.1 patch is going to completely change the meta. There are some builds that feel like they need love still and skills that definitely need buffs to be viable (black hole for example), but to say they have abandoned struggling classes as a general statement feels false to me. There's a lot of incentive to play classes that were weaker in 1.0 if you read the patch notes. And they nerfed the broken builds that defined the previous meta. As far as cadence....I mean, the game came out 3 months ago and their first new cycle patch is more robust than what we get from most cycle patches in other ARPGs. There's an impressive amount of stuff in there. If they keep up this "cadence" going forward, this game is going to expand dramatically over the next 9 months and we'll be looking back on its release anniversary and realize just how impressive this dev's team velocity was.
Was always worth, so definitely get it if you’re a fan of ARPGs
Always was friend. Now it's better than ever.
Hell yea brother.
im not even a big last epoch fan, but this game is just objectively worth the 20-25 bucks if youre an arpg enjoyer
Game is great but it’s changing a lot. Beta was completely different and 1.0 was just grinding corruption numbers to insane amount. Now you have new nemesis system and some endgame bosses to kill. Absurd build were nerfed a lot too. In a year I think it will be completely different game. Base is good but a lot of work is needed to polish endgame loop. I want to get 200 hours from this cycle with how easy alts are becoming now.
Yes and there's a big update on Tuesday
It was worth buying for 1.0, it's more worth buying for 1.1. I'd say on average people got like 50-100 hours of content out of 1.0, probably gonna be like 70-120 hours in 1.1.
for me, it was always worth it. imo it's better than path of exile and diablo. especially with the new updates.
It is a good and fun game. Not as good as D2 or D4 but better then Poe. Well worth your time. It does not last as long as D4 tho.
I have 70+ games in my library in Steam and LE became my favorite game 2 years ago. Since then they have only added and improved. So according to me it is totally worth the price.
As a major POE guy, YES! new season July 9th and the game is respectful to your time. July is hype for epoch and Poe
I'd been waiting for the game to see some updates before diving in, and I bought it this week because the 1.1 patch looks really good. I've played about 4 hours and even though it's the 'old' patch (1.1 comes out in a few days) it's very good. There are things other ARPGs do better, but to me the most fun part of this type of game is the character building. In that area I feel like Last Epoch is best in class - there is lots of variety, but the skill and mastery system is extremely well done so it's not overwhelming.
It's the perfect time to buy because a new major patch is being released 7/9. It's going to be its first "season", but they call it a Cycle.
I bought it last week and have like 35 hours now the gameplay is fun the power creep is satisfying nice lucky moments when you find a good item for your build all what an arpg needs
Always has been.
I don't know honestly. I didn't even get past the tutorial area before getting kinda bored but had afked too long and couldn't get a refund so I'm planning on sitting down and giving it a proper chance when I can lol
For the normal price its worth it. Solid game with lots of room to grow. If its on sale then its definitely worth the buy
The amount of high quality content you get for that price is massive, definitely worth it.
I've been a console player for years. Been looking to get back into pc gaming. Can anyone help out w a low-mid cost option that could play LE and D4 along w other current games? Thank you
Check this Reddit [post](https://new.reddit.com/r/buildmeapc/comments/1aq8lw1/what_would_be_the_best_budget_am5_build/) for example. Also, check the medium requirements for each ARPG you like, mainly for VGA. However, you can change the VGA anytime. I would pick RTX4070 or AMD 7800XT. If your budget is lower last generation would also be good (3070-3080/6800XT-6900XT).
Yes
is this game comfortable off the rip when you buy or does it "require" mtx like poe to be playable (eg, stash tabs)?
It has only cosmetic MTXs. Stash tabs cost in-game gold but you do not have to grind for it. :)
It always was
It's just as worth it as it was before. The game is going to keep getting big updates every few months and with them new content and mechanics.
I happily spent $35 on it and got my money's worth, I'd say that answer is yes personally.
It's always been worth buying, your just late to the party. This is from a shaman main 😂
Game has always been worth buying.
Has it gotten better to use with a controller? Haven’t played since 1.0 was released and got too frustrated with the controller implementation. I consider D4 the gold standard for controller implementation, Grim Dawn as well. Grim Dawn has the added benefit of allowing you to swing the camera around with the right analog and no other ARPG has followed this!
Was worth day 1 if you didn't mind playing offline (solo), and quickly after for multiplayer. It's one of the best diablo-like made in a decade, totally worth playing.
Yes. Im new to it myself and I'm enjoying the game.
100% yes! It truly has some of the best depth of build design and itemization out of any game on the market. It lacks a little in end-game but that is getting fixed a lot in 1.1 for Cycle 2. The only other issue is the slightly smaller player base, but you can help fix that! If you love PoE, D2, D3, D4, Grim Dawn, Hero Siege, or Torchlight, you will love this game too!
Yea, duh!
Now? It was well worth it at launch and probably before that too. I got 300+ hours (and counting) out of a $35 game.
M8 just buy it. U get access to the game in perpetuity and are gonna play it at some point, take a break, and come back to it after more updates
Always has been
I'm just waiting for it to drop on console so I can try it,but it looks like everything I wanted from an ARPG.
Here is my confident: Maybe! Atleast if you are interested in the plot. You will probably get a decent amount of hours of gameplay from it regardless. But... the game really lost its pacing and appeal when it got to late game content, and is still plagued by bugs and qol problems.
This game is worth the money. It's relatively new so not as much content as PoE but this new cycle is about to add a decent chunk of new stuff. Developers put a lot of thought and work to constantly improve the game and listen to the community. If you like PoE (or hate D4) you will like this game.
Just make sure that its playable in your country, I’m in Egypt and the only to access it is through vpn
I got 70 hours out of the first season just playing one class and build, and I stopped playing way earlier than I could have. That alone was worth the money, and I'm coming back for 1.1 so I'll easily be over a 100 hours. Definitely worth it! the game will only get better too
It was worth buying already 5 months ago
If you love ARPGs such as Diablo, Path of Exile, and Grim Dawn, then yes, 100%. This will be one of the biggest and most maintained ARPGs for the next 10 years. This game would be worth it even if the base game costs 70€. LE is IMO more worth it than Diablo 4 even if they cost the same price. Not only it's objectively better ARPG but all the future content will be free (similar to POE) unlike Diablo 4 where you will have to buy expansions.
There’s like no variation in the endgame. You either do the same 8 rifts or you do one of the three dungeons over and over again.
YES! as a POE player,I can find myself enjoying LE maybe 1-2 month on POE and then 2 or 3 on weeks LE When D4 ? Never.
D4 bad Baseg
Every time I think giving D4 another chance I remember that because of the dynamic scaling my character feels the same at level 15 and as at level 100. ARPG without real sense of progression is like a FPS without guns. Playing LE cycle 2 and waiting for PoE Beta is far better.
It’s wild how people will just admit they’re trash at a game they call easy like this lol
D4 make their game easy by butchering every complex aspect of ARPG playing D4 honestly feel debasing my intelectual level For now only LE and POE can have my time,POE new league also in like 2 week or so why not give a try man?
> my character feels the same at level 15 and as at level 100 You're doing something wrong then. Did your level 15 character have access to all aspects and uniques needed to enable the build you are using at 100? Or are you just using a random assortment of legendaries that seem good at 100?
I don't think it is quite as good as D4 and PoE is the best in the genre still if you don't mind how complex it is. However LE is a one time buy and the new content is always free. D4 is going to hit you up for a paid expansion every year so the price just keeps getting worse. PoE you really do need to spend money on stash tabs to make the game playable. LE is the best game for its price point and even if it doesn't work for you right away it likely will down the line as they add more and more content. While I said the other 2 games are better it isn't like night and day difference. There will be people who like each of them more than the others.
Do you want us to write down steam reviews?
Been loving every minute of it since picking it up on the sale.
Not only yes, but a big fuxking resounding YES.
The game doesn't go on sale too often, and it's very worth it even at full price. The game currently has 3/4 of a campaign (9 out of 12 planned acts), three dungeons with unique bosses and rewards, an endless arena with a ladder and unique rewards, and an end game maps system featuring a number of bosses (also with unique rewards). There are 5 classes, each with 3 subclasses that have their own identity and feel. There are two factions that can change the way you get items, with one being an auction house and one being for solo self-found. I'm probably missing a bunch of stuff someone can chime in on! Update 1.1 is coming out in a few days' time and features a new pinnacle boss, and a few other systems to support it including a new faction and new supporting bosses.
It's always been worth.
It’s really good. This game could easily be a $60 game so the fact it’s only $35 normally is really good
It’s a good game please don’t listen to these streamer
Great game, simpler than Diablo or PoE which is nice. Hyped for the new cycle this week upcoming
It was worth buying at release
It was always worth buying. Still is. The state of the game has been a very split subject but most people agree that the campaign and the timelines were fun the first time they did it.
was worth buying years ago
its been worth it since it became available on its stand alone launcher. I'm a casual player, and have 122 hours invested so far. its a really nice little bite of game play in between seasons of POE and D4. if you like arpg's this fills in nicely via the now standard 3-4 month release cycle of the big 2.
100% my favorite game of the year bar none as an Action RPG fan.
I have kinda similar question but Is thisj game have some difficult group content? Like some raids or dungeons that i NEED group to finish? Something hard that i actually would have to dodge stuff and do it whit people? I don't want to buy another single player game whit chat
Yes, it's a blast.
Yes
I mean, the game was always worth buying, even in its earliest stages So yes
Its been worth it since EA
Was worth buying months ago!
This subreddit will the bais but it's a good game. I don't like the end game but the campaign is worth it and a good deal of fun.
The game is worth buying without a sale
Games been worth since beta
Very worth buying if you like action rpgs - it’s great (other than the deeply unfun dungeon design // endgame item loop aside with the LP system) - and only getting better. Definitely playing 1.1, highly recommend
mofo, buy it and play. You sound broke.
100% worth!
Yeah
This game is worth every penny without any sale. Its a fantastic game with great crafting, amazing trade system & plethora of builds to play. I would like to note if you compare this game to arpgs that are out there for many years you may feel it has less content. But, I am amazed that this game released with this much content when it released. With the harbinger update theres no excuse you gotta get it if you even slightly interested in a game that allows you to create you character inside out.
Not really Diablo 4 is getting better and is a better long term investment imo
And by “better long term investment” you mean in D4 you will invest in an yearly expansion at least, but who do we kid, you also “invest” in a premium battle pass every 3 months and in a 60$ mount because we are giga chad
You must be joking. D4's loot is still terrible. Let me know when rares aren't an auto salvage. And long-term investment? They're charging for expansions on top of having cosmetic MTXs and battle passes...
I'm playing D4 from closed beta period and Last Epoch since like 2019 and i must say that D4 is still in terribad shape - game is so dull that new season is enough for 2 weeks of playing... Season 5 doesnt look better either ;-/
LE is getting better and better too, but they're not asking me to pay another 50 bucks for an expansion. And it took D4 a whole year to get the game in a state it should have launched in. The pace of updates in LE is pretty impressive. Their first big cycle patch since launch is more robust than I think anyone imagined it would be. If they keep this up, we'll be looking back a year after release and reflecting on how massive the changes were in aggregate.
Imo it's the best arpg, it offers at least 150h of good and variegated gameplay if you wanna try different classes. It's a "pure" arpg in the sense that it does not rely neither on excessive grinding mechanics (Poe) nor on a superficial catchy gameplay that ends in no content (D4). The real competitor of LE will be Poe2, atm it's the best shot you can give to arpg if you are not already into the genre.
Best ARPG on the market for people who enjoy a large number of customizations without the overwhelming nature of POE. I also prefer the crafting in last epoch over POE due to it being an important facet of the game from lvl 1-100, with no bar to entry when compared to POE.