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[Call me Kier.](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/C8AAAOSwiQpkOEU4/s-l1600.jpg) - I don't hate either but they're so *baaa,* et cetera, yeh? I voted green but I'm no sure about the two popes either. Depressing Reform got so many and Farridge finally got in - bugs me how many are fooled by charismatic clowns
New Labour: Thatcher’s greatest accomplishment, by her own account.
Starmer purged most of the actual Left.
Still feel a justice boner, though.
Fuck that Gammon scum.
Bro, this isn’t a loss for them, they will be back in power in 5 years after eroding democracy and general faith in politics as the opposition (which these kinds of parties are arguably better at) while still working hard for their corporate donors who pay them. They don’t give a fuck if they lose an election.
Well, America is a world leader in McDonalds. And also we’re not really into food banks. How are people supposed to know they have to work if they’re not hungry? /s
At least Corbyn kept his seat after they backstabbed him and kicked him out. It isnt much but at least theres still some voice of reason for the regular people in politics even if its almost completely extinguished.
They’re not gone. After a few years of Starmer not doing shit or making the inevitable blunder, his enemies will campaign using those facts and the tories will be back. I’m American, but the same thing is about to happen here.
We can still be happy that the looney-bin far right party that the tories became, is being replaced with the center-right party that labour seems to have become. It's still something, right? And if you folks manage to replace Starmer at some point, you could maybe have actual leftist policies again.
This is the best result possible for the Tories. Imagine destroying a country and party for ten years and then being re-elected through a different party.
Watch them fumble the bag over the next few years because they don’t stand for anything while conservative media and far right populists convince everybody that an even more right wing conservative government is the answer.
Am I talking about the UK? US? Australia? Doesn’t really matter anymore, does it?
Nah it's like with Blair, they clearly made a deal with the powers that be over a year ago.
The exact same thing happened to the last Labour government and the conservative one before that, the newspapers turned on them and all kinds of stuff was leaked from business and civil service once they found their head boy.
Starmer will be grand for about five years unless he does anything interesting, which he won't
Really telling how Farage came back specifically to make a party with the express goal of cutting into the Conservative voters right when Labour get an acceptable pro corporation leader. It all feels very neatly organised to allow an illusion of change, but no real change to the status quo. All the big players will end up barely effected by this, the value of the pound didnt tremble by the regime change announcement at all.
Very neat and doesnt at all give much hope for a brighter future. If we're lucky everything may get worse a bit slower for a few years at least as they allow our rebellious anger to fade a bit before cycling the Tories back in and cranking up the profit machine up to full again.
Delicious is Corbyn and 4 other left-wing independents have seats as well as the Greens picking up another 4.
Also not every Labour MP is a capitalist stooge, my MP is a trade unionist and the ‘Socialist Campaign Group’ have grown.
Its still better than the Far-Right accomplished last night.
>and 4 other left-wing independents have seats as well as the Greens picking up another 4.
I disagree with the framing of this. They're independent but not necessarily left wing, all independents who won campaigned on a pro palestine platform, and this is something everyone should support, but that doesn't mean they're ideologically left wing. An independent like Akhmed Yakoob is not "left wing" and when I asked him where does he stand exactly on the spectrum, he essentially said nowhere, he's just "independent" which shows a very shallow understanding of politics. Granted he did not win, but many independents are like that, they're campaigning on a pro palestine platform but they're not necessarily socialist, they'd probably broadly agree with new labour and would have voted for them had new labour been in favour of palestine.
[...the Labour Party is a thoroughly bourgeois party, because, although made up of workers, it is led by reactionaries, and the worst kind of reactionaries at that, who act quite in the spirit of the bourgeoisie. It is an organisation of the bourgeoisie, which exists to systematically dupe the workers...](http://www.marxist.net/openturn/historic/script.htm?lenin.htm)
Lenin, 1920.
Mixed emotions about the vile Braverman keeping her seat. On the one hand, there isn’t a deep & dark enough hole she can fuck off into. On the other, she might be the next Tory leader and will handily split all the gammon votes with Farage.
Yeah the problem is Keir Starmer will treat this as the populace voting for his polices instead of against the Tories. He will continue Neo Liberal policies that don’t help the people who will grow frustrated and bring back the Tories who will have radicalized and purged all of their centrists. My inly solace is Corbyn will be there to try and push Starmer and Starmer will be able to do even less about with Corbyn standing as an Independent.
Yep. It's sad that even though they started out as a genuine pro-worker party, Labour shifted to the centre over the decades and have basically become the British Democrats where they only got voted in on virtue of not being the Tories.
I'd say this is prescient...but it isn't. It's totally obvious. Nothing will fundamentally change. Starmer isn't going to do shit to really reverse the hollowing-out of the middle class, or lift people out of poverty. That would mean clawing back significant shares of wealth from the hands of the super rich, and he WILL NOT DO THAT.
I was incredibly amused to see the articles yesterday quoting Starmer saying that he's not going to rejoin the EU. The population is already in favor of rejoining. The categorical failure of Brexit as policy on absolutely every level is the reason that the Tories got completely fucked yesterday. You would think fixing their fuck-up would be number one on the agenda. But, no. You thought wrong. Starmer has no intention of rejoining...because why? It will upset reactionary conservatives who are already fleeing to Reform and would never vote for left/center-left parties anyway?
The icing on this shit cake is the "CHANGE" banners all over that one picture from yesterday. Somebody wake-up Biden so he can say "nothing will fundamentally change." Because nothing will. And in five years, the pendulum will swing back to the right from an angry population pissed that nothing changed...except it will go to a radicalized Conservatives who have purged any remaining centrists from their ranks, and an even more vapid, reactionary, and xenophobic Reform party under that cockbag Farage.
Keir is basically the same. I don't see any major change of policy here. It was more of a fuck Tory motivation, not pro-Labour. Also, Farage's fuckpigs got 13 seats, how in the hell is this reality?
You're looking at the exit poll predicitons, not the results, so I've got good news and bad news for you.
Good news: Reform picked up 4 seats, not 13. (ETA: they squeaked a 5th this evneing)
Bad news: Over 4 million people voted for them, putting them in 3rd place for total vote share.
That may be their ceiling, as they'll basically need to win votes from Labour while holding onto the votes that they won from the Tories to progress further (and arguably the votes they currently have were already won from Labour but cast for the Conservatives in 2019 when Farage stepped aside). However, if we don't see meaningful changes to people's lives, and those changes being represented honestly in the media, I'd be worried about them gathering more momentum.
Well Keir, from what I've seen has the potential to lose both the far right and the left with his personality-less leadership. In that case, Reform has a fat chance of getting the far-right labour members. It's a dystopian world we live in.
To me this looks like 2003 when Tony Blair helped Bush to destroy Iraq and later with Obama destroy Libya
For 2024 Labour party the intent is the same, but different wars
being honest.... there's a big trend with the current rise in power of fascism....
there's a wave of fascism surfing on the rage of the current neo lib status quo (which they say is left wing but usually it's just playing on the public's stupidity), they rise in power because of the "rust of social democracies"
said fascist power makes a horrible government that the conservative part of the country ABSOLUTELY LOVED
the social democrats rise in power again out of the despair of the population, having to make absolutely terrible allies to gain power and having to take power with the last government doing a terrible job and leaving them with the problem to solve, and having to deal with their own terrible management
said neo liberal power does a terrible job at fighting fascism so fake news and disinformation runs wild during said power and even if it's actually a "good" mandate it's still gonna be marked by a sower taste and a feeling of the imminent return of fascism
fascism wins again on next election....
(e.g: US, Brazil, half of south america, some countries in Europe, etc)
Even if Keir is a robotic authoritarian lying POS, it gives more opportunities for the left to organise than the under the Tories (hopefully). It’s always better to fight a liberal than an outright reactionary, because the liberals have to pretend to be seeking the public good in ways the left can attack for their hypocrisy.
That said, if labour fail to make improvements to the economic situation, the fascists in the shape of reform will be back and stronger by the next election.
Incredibly. First past the post in this instance makes the electoral college look representative. They're gonna win a smaller share and smaller concrete numbers compared to 2017 when they lost, and they're going to get a huge majority.
And the worst thing is nobody actually likes Starmer. People are voting against the tories and only like 5% of people polled said they were voting because of Starmer's policies or leadership.
Couldn’t agree more. Starmer is a wolf in sheep’s clothing for the UK. https://www.declassifieduk.org/keir-starmer-joined-secretive-cia-linked-group-while-serving-in-corbyns-shadow-cabinet/
This sounds like a similar situation as here in Canada, it's more voting against someone then actually for your candidate/party of choice. Which I guess is the system working as intended. Our PM campaigned on election reform to get rid of first past the post, and a lot of people voted for him based on that. He obviously found an excuse to go back on his promise, since the two major parties love their monopoly of power. He only got elected for a second term because no one wanted conservatives to win
Labour win 60% of the seats getting just 36% of a 59% turnout.
So only around 25% of voting adults voted Labour.
Labour have kicked out lots of left wing members, and spent most of the campaign pretending to be the Tories.
Kier Starmer's health secretary has links to private health companies. The NHS privatisation process is likely to accelerate. The uni party will remain in power, whoever we vote for
It’s very easy (and sensible) to be really cynical about Starmer’s Labour. But I can’t help but think of all the children that New Labour lifted out of poverty, if Starmer does nothing else but reduce child poverty, homelessness and inequality then it’s worth it.
Plus, the worst Labour MP is way better than the best Tory. Always will be.
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[Call me Kier.](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/C8AAAOSwiQpkOEU4/s-l1600.jpg) - I don't hate either but they're so *baaa,* et cetera, yeh? I voted green but I'm no sure about the two popes either. Depressing Reform got so many and Farridge finally got in - bugs me how many are fooled by charismatic clowns
I hate that I can’t even celebrate the collapse of the tories because it comes because the opposition are no threat whatsoever
New Labour: Thatcher’s greatest accomplishment, by her own account. Starmer purged most of the actual Left. Still feel a justice boner, though. Fuck that Gammon scum.
Bro, this isn’t a loss for them, they will be back in power in 5 years after eroding democracy and general faith in politics as the opposition (which these kinds of parties are arguably better at) while still working hard for their corporate donors who pay them. They don’t give a fuck if they lose an election.
Yep, just look at America. It’s your future in 5-10 years.
Happy to know we're still leading the world in some things!
There are more food banks in the UK than McDonald's... we are a world leader in Austerity....
Well, America is a world leader in McDonalds. And also we’re not really into food banks. How are people supposed to know they have to work if they’re not hungry? /s
Reform came second in ~100 constituencies, in 5 years we'll be lucky if we don't get a fascist government....
At least Corbyn kept his seat after they backstabbed him and kicked him out. It isnt much but at least theres still some voice of reason for the regular people in politics even if its almost completely extinguished.
They’re not gone. After a few years of Starmer not doing shit or making the inevitable blunder, his enemies will campaign using those facts and the tories will be back. I’m American, but the same thing is about to happen here.
We can still be happy that the looney-bin far right party that the tories became, is being replaced with the center-right party that labour seems to have become. It's still something, right? And if you folks manage to replace Starmer at some point, you could maybe have actual leftist policies again.
It's the rachet effect, but this is the less cruel piece of it at least.
I'm happy to see Tories lose their jobs. That's the most of it for me.
The party is completely captured by the right, it's much deeper than just Starmer
This is the best result possible for the Tories. Imagine destroying a country and party for ten years and then being re-elected through a different party.
I remember when my account was one month old
Yay more neolib rule so much fun great times
Watch them fumble the bag over the next few years because they don’t stand for anything while conservative media and far right populists convince everybody that an even more right wing conservative government is the answer. Am I talking about the UK? US? Australia? Doesn’t really matter anymore, does it?
You forgot NZ!!
Nah it's like with Blair, they clearly made a deal with the powers that be over a year ago. The exact same thing happened to the last Labour government and the conservative one before that, the newspapers turned on them and all kinds of stuff was leaked from business and civil service once they found their head boy. Starmer will be grand for about five years unless he does anything interesting, which he won't
Really telling how Farage came back specifically to make a party with the express goal of cutting into the Conservative voters right when Labour get an acceptable pro corporation leader. It all feels very neatly organised to allow an illusion of change, but no real change to the status quo. All the big players will end up barely effected by this, the value of the pound didnt tremble by the regime change announcement at all. Very neat and doesnt at all give much hope for a brighter future. If we're lucky everything may get worse a bit slower for a few years at least as they allow our rebellious anger to fade a bit before cycling the Tories back in and cranking up the profit machine up to full again.
You basically described the entire political system in all western countries. Bravo!
- cries in Canadian -
Actually sounds like *my country for year*s, and it is none of the aforementioned.
Delicious is Corbyn and 4 other left-wing independents have seats as well as the Greens picking up another 4. Also not every Labour MP is a capitalist stooge, my MP is a trade unionist and the ‘Socialist Campaign Group’ have grown. Its still better than the Far-Right accomplished last night.
>and 4 other left-wing independents have seats as well as the Greens picking up another 4. I disagree with the framing of this. They're independent but not necessarily left wing, all independents who won campaigned on a pro palestine platform, and this is something everyone should support, but that doesn't mean they're ideologically left wing. An independent like Akhmed Yakoob is not "left wing" and when I asked him where does he stand exactly on the spectrum, he essentially said nowhere, he's just "independent" which shows a very shallow understanding of politics. Granted he did not win, but many independents are like that, they're campaigning on a pro palestine platform but they're not necessarily socialist, they'd probably broadly agree with new labour and would have voted for them had new labour been in favour of palestine.
The Greens unfortunately only got 2 seats while Reform got 13.
I think you’re looking at the exit polls rather than the actual seat count.
Oh wow you’re right, sorry! This is amazing news to wake up to.
[...the Labour Party is a thoroughly bourgeois party, because, although made up of workers, it is led by reactionaries, and the worst kind of reactionaries at that, who act quite in the spirit of the bourgeoisie. It is an organisation of the bourgeoisie, which exists to systematically dupe the workers...](http://www.marxist.net/openturn/historic/script.htm?lenin.htm) Lenin, 1920.
Lenin being based as usual.
Usual Lenin W
and that was in 1920, its only become ever more true
Red tories instead of blue tories yay!
Why celebrate a bipartisan capitalist system?
New, New Labour. Meet the new boss, same as the old one.
The conservatives and labour are two sides of the same coin, capitalism hasn't lost today.
I recognize that Keir Starmer is a Blairite shitstain; but the schadenfreude running through my veins right now is unreal.
But why though? The right wing has won and have eliminated all leftist opposition.
Exactly. The conservatives move more right and Labour **will** follow. We are happy for harm reduction... barely.
The Overton window just moved several degrees to the right....
Mixed emotions about the vile Braverman keeping her seat. On the one hand, there isn’t a deep & dark enough hole she can fuck off into. On the other, she might be the next Tory leader and will handily split all the gammon votes with Farage.
Yeah the problem is Keir Starmer will treat this as the populace voting for his polices instead of against the Tories. He will continue Neo Liberal policies that don’t help the people who will grow frustrated and bring back the Tories who will have radicalized and purged all of their centrists. My inly solace is Corbyn will be there to try and push Starmer and Starmer will be able to do even less about with Corbyn standing as an Independent.
Yep. It's sad that even though they started out as a genuine pro-worker party, Labour shifted to the centre over the decades and have basically become the British Democrats where they only got voted in on virtue of not being the Tories.
I'd say this is prescient...but it isn't. It's totally obvious. Nothing will fundamentally change. Starmer isn't going to do shit to really reverse the hollowing-out of the middle class, or lift people out of poverty. That would mean clawing back significant shares of wealth from the hands of the super rich, and he WILL NOT DO THAT. I was incredibly amused to see the articles yesterday quoting Starmer saying that he's not going to rejoin the EU. The population is already in favor of rejoining. The categorical failure of Brexit as policy on absolutely every level is the reason that the Tories got completely fucked yesterday. You would think fixing their fuck-up would be number one on the agenda. But, no. You thought wrong. Starmer has no intention of rejoining...because why? It will upset reactionary conservatives who are already fleeing to Reform and would never vote for left/center-left parties anyway? The icing on this shit cake is the "CHANGE" banners all over that one picture from yesterday. Somebody wake-up Biden so he can say "nothing will fundamentally change." Because nothing will. And in five years, the pendulum will swing back to the right from an angry population pissed that nothing changed...except it will go to a radicalized Conservatives who have purged any remaining centrists from their ranks, and an even more vapid, reactionary, and xenophobic Reform party under that cockbag Farage.
Keir Starmer is a transphobic piece of shit
You probably shouldn't dead name Sir Kid Starver.
Keir Starmer is an anthrophobic piece of shit
Keir is basically the same. I don't see any major change of policy here. It was more of a fuck Tory motivation, not pro-Labour. Also, Farage's fuckpigs got 13 seats, how in the hell is this reality?
You're looking at the exit poll predicitons, not the results, so I've got good news and bad news for you. Good news: Reform picked up 4 seats, not 13. (ETA: they squeaked a 5th this evneing) Bad news: Over 4 million people voted for them, putting them in 3rd place for total vote share. That may be their ceiling, as they'll basically need to win votes from Labour while holding onto the votes that they won from the Tories to progress further (and arguably the votes they currently have were already won from Labour but cast for the Conservatives in 2019 when Farage stepped aside). However, if we don't see meaningful changes to people's lives, and those changes being represented honestly in the media, I'd be worried about them gathering more momentum.
Well Keir, from what I've seen has the potential to lose both the far right and the left with his personality-less leadership. In that case, Reform has a fat chance of getting the far-right labour members. It's a dystopian world we live in.
To me this looks like 2003 when Tony Blair helped Bush to destroy Iraq and later with Obama destroy Libya For 2024 Labour party the intent is the same, but different wars
Honestly this is depressing to me. The perhaps final death of the Labour party
Tories are out, but at what cost? Winning but having victory look the same as defeat is a pyrrhic victory at best.
My preferred outcome (Australian, but works for UK too) would be Tories just completely disappearing and greens and Labor being the two main parties.
Lol, nothing will change you peasants. Starmer, is a WEF young global leader, same as Sunak. All going to plan.
Count Binface should've won T-T
Yeah this is not a good outcome
Yeah, plus Farage has also managed to become an MP. And I thought Hungarian politics sucked ass
I voted green because Labour ain’t Labour any more
\*Depressing
Is there any left in the graphics?
being honest.... there's a big trend with the current rise in power of fascism.... there's a wave of fascism surfing on the rage of the current neo lib status quo (which they say is left wing but usually it's just playing on the public's stupidity), they rise in power because of the "rust of social democracies" said fascist power makes a horrible government that the conservative part of the country ABSOLUTELY LOVED the social democrats rise in power again out of the despair of the population, having to make absolutely terrible allies to gain power and having to take power with the last government doing a terrible job and leaving them with the problem to solve, and having to deal with their own terrible management said neo liberal power does a terrible job at fighting fascism so fake news and disinformation runs wild during said power and even if it's actually a "good" mandate it's still gonna be marked by a sower taste and a feeling of the imminent return of fascism fascism wins again on next election.... (e.g: US, Brazil, half of south america, some countries in Europe, etc)
Even if Keir is a robotic authoritarian lying POS, it gives more opportunities for the left to organise than the under the Tories (hopefully). It’s always better to fight a liberal than an outright reactionary, because the liberals have to pretend to be seeking the public good in ways the left can attack for their hypocrisy. That said, if labour fail to make improvements to the economic situation, the fascists in the shape of reform will be back and stronger by the next election.
The funniest part about this election is that SF are now the 5th biggest party in UK
they’re the same fucking party lol
the UK is looking more and more like it's having some real democratic momentum.
Lol this election is an absolute mockery of democracy. You haven't a clue what you're talking about
Please elaborate for us yanks. This is a bad thing?
Incredibly. First past the post in this instance makes the electoral college look representative. They're gonna win a smaller share and smaller concrete numbers compared to 2017 when they lost, and they're going to get a huge majority. And the worst thing is nobody actually likes Starmer. People are voting against the tories and only like 5% of people polled said they were voting because of Starmer's policies or leadership.
Couldn’t agree more. Starmer is a wolf in sheep’s clothing for the UK. https://www.declassifieduk.org/keir-starmer-joined-secretive-cia-linked-group-while-serving-in-corbyns-shadow-cabinet/
This sounds like a similar situation as here in Canada, it's more voting against someone then actually for your candidate/party of choice. Which I guess is the system working as intended. Our PM campaigned on election reform to get rid of first past the post, and a lot of people voted for him based on that. He obviously found an excuse to go back on his promise, since the two major parties love their monopoly of power. He only got elected for a second term because no one wanted conservatives to win
Labour win 60% of the seats getting just 36% of a 59% turnout. So only around 25% of voting adults voted Labour. Labour have kicked out lots of left wing members, and spent most of the campaign pretending to be the Tories.
Closer to 20% (21.24%)
I think he might've been taking the piss about Momentum actually
This likely pushes the end of civilization out 14, maybe 15, seconds. Good work!
Available for any gender reveal or circumcision parties, former U.K. Prime Minister Liz Truss and her team are out of jobs. Special offers for twins.
Nothing will change.
Of only they had a good party leader like a few years ago.
Kier Starmer's health secretary has links to private health companies. The NHS privatisation process is likely to accelerate. The uni party will remain in power, whoever we vote for
As much as I dislike the modern UK Labour Party…. WOOHOOO TAKE THAT TORIES POWER TO THE PEOPLE🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I have the silver lining mentality too, but this is the cheapest shit that comes with a stock heatsink. Kier's better than nowt at least
It’s very easy (and sensible) to be really cynical about Starmer’s Labour. But I can’t help but think of all the children that New Labour lifted out of poverty, if Starmer does nothing else but reduce child poverty, homelessness and inequality then it’s worth it. Plus, the worst Labour MP is way better than the best Tory. Always will be.