And for BigLaw, [here’s the standard salary scale](https://www.biglawinvestor.com/biglaw-salary-scale/) below. Aka if a firm “pays market” it’s this. Watch out for sneaky things like claiming that xyz city has a different “market” because when most people say “pays market” they mean the below, now whatever firms pay in Minneapolis or whatever.
First year: $225k + $20k bonus **($245k total)**
Second year: $235k + $30k bonus **($265k total)**
Third year: $260k + $57.5k bonus **($317.5k total)**
Fourth year: $310k + $75k bonus **($385k total)**
Fifth year: $365k + $90k bonus **($455k total)**
Sixth year: $390k + $105k bonus **($495k total)**
Seventh year: $420k + $115k bonus **($535k total)**
Eight year: $435k + $115k bonus **($550k total)**
225+20k is objectively too much for any k-jd who happened to do well in law school to make. They are not worth that much. That's fucking stupid, no matter where you live. 225k is a shit ton of money to make year no matter how old or who you are. No one forces anyone to live in a high COA place like new york, it is either a choice or preference. There are *plenty* of places to live that are reasonable. This profession is whack,
Well their time can be billed out by the firm for as much as $800/hour and they generally bill at least 1800 hours so that’s at least $1.44 million in revenue (which then goes up each year). So even taking the most extreme assumptions about collection rates, write offs, overhead, benefits, etc. they are indeed very much worth a measly $245k to the firm.
No. The major firms in the major markets pay the Cravath scale (think Chicago/DC/LA/SF). When you start getting to other cities, there are fewer firms paying at that rate—usually national firms who happen to have an office in a given city for whatever reason (think Boston/Philadelphia/Miami/Houston/Denver)
This is generally true, except that Houston is very much on the “major markets” list (along with Dallas and Austin). I’m in Houston BigLaw and there are dozens of firms paying Cravath here. In fact, there’s an absolute gold rush for Texas BigLaw as firms from around the country (including 6 of the V10 and 13 of the V20) clamor to try and get in on the massive piles of cash here.
For comparison, I got an MA before law school and was working in marketing. My salary was $55k per year. Peak salary for a copywriter in marketing is $80k right now. Don’t think this is on par with a marketing job.
Well everyone always makes six figures (so they say?)
Fact is unless you’re 40-55 and a SR Mgr and up
OR in tech with a hard technical skill, Breaking into the six figure range (environment and area dependent) can be fairly challenging.
However, as an attorney it becomes incredibly easy to break into 6 figures and fast dependent upon how you network, leverage, and work.
Now, I am an incoming 1L so I should add the disclaimer I am NOT practicing in a legal market, I do however have an MBA and work at a large corporation where I work in the office.
Most people who are making $100-120K (at my company) are either in management, been there 20-30 years, both, or are above first level managers.
Okay, let’s concede, one may say
“Okay to become a manager it seems to be an easier path to quicker money.”
Again I’d counter that claim. It is not easier, spots are limited and at least where I work, most people who get promoted have been there a minimum of 10+ years.
Even so, breaking past senior manager (comp range 120-190) into VP level is much harder.
I’d wager where I work, the median tenure of a senior manager is 15-30 years.
So what’s my point? Well, that growth in most areas is incredibly slow, it’s a slow drip feed, once you hit a certain threshold IF and ONLY IF you hit it, depending upon work quality, politics, bureaucracy, luck, and timing, you’ll likely stagnate at a senior manager as the promotion(s) go to a big stop.
In conclusion, my point is that a JD enables one to grow nonstop. Even if you do not start out making $100+ you can rapidly, you also can make partner with just time in, if that isn’t your speed go sole practice where your income level is really not capped at all.
The JD opens up immense opportunities, and is recession proof; even the USSR had lawyers after all.
Also, in agreeing with your statement, just adding in my own perspective.
Yeah possible. I suppose if I fuck off during school, and then Take a PD or prosecutor job and sit there until I retire, then I suppose the possibility of low income is there.
I do believe most lawyers develop a victim complex and get a shitty job and just sit there, hop on Reddit, then tell everyone “lawyers don’t make money.”
How have they leveraged their degree? Leveraged their connections? How did they pick summer jobs? How did they fare in school? Do they want to start their own private practice? Why or why not? Why don’t they try to level up into another job after experience?
Just saying as is any profession it’s easy to be broke when you’re not motivated and don’t try to break through the next level. That goes for any field.
Hell I could sit at my
Job for the next 30 years making 3-4% raises and make maybe $80-85K and then get into Reddit and say “don’t get an MBA, you won’t make shit.”
Or if wanted, I could stay motivated, job hopping, gain experience and promote up.
Or if I have an MBA and go work a non profit making $50K for 20 years, I could also bitch on Reddit.
It’s all about how someone leverages their skills and tools and how motivated and willing they are to level up.
Well put. Law has superior earning potential and stability above basically any other profession (although the 2009 financial crisis did wipe out legal market once). You also advance much faster than any other profession. By way of example, in lucrative areas of law you can see 30-50%+ base increase in years 2-5. In any case, it will never be 3%. You can start at $110k (mainly because no one wants to pay while you learn where digital documents are stored and accessed at the firm etc.) and two years later be over at $200k. There really isn’t a limit from there other than how much of your time you want to put into it.
Nope! If you can get good at the transactional aspects of the work, there are always distressed companies that could use advice, and there are always businesses that go through downturns even in good times. It's certainly less sought-after in times of wealth, but goddamn are bankruptcy lawyers necessary when shit hits the fan.
Totally agree, I think I got downvoted for simply telling a hard truth others don’t want to hear. It’s much easier if things happened to you rather than what you did to have them happen and what you can do to self correct.
Like Goggin’s says “if you’re fucking fat, you need to look into the mirror and tell yourself you’re fucking fat, then find out how to fix it.”
Maybe I’m ignorant, maybe I’m wrong. I still believe at my core that the JD market is not that over saturated and the presently for high income is there, just depends on how one works.
I just feel that getting a bachelors, then the LSAT, then the ad-comm, then passing, the. Graduating, then taking the BAR, acts as a large filter that likely keeps numbers of jobs and law graduates optimal.
Though I think the ABA should start shutting shitty schools down. The path to becoming a lawyer probably shouldn’t be available to anyone. Just like not everyone can go be a doctor.
Side note: I think prerequisite courses for law school should also be mandated like they are for medical school.
You shouldn't believe this until you see the raw data.
Kurtosis, standard deviation, mean median mode. The distortion from some trash lawyer compensation shouldn't direct your future.
These are pre bonus base salary ranges and again just a small sampling. Associates at firms like these get bonuses anywhere from 10-75k (mine will be roughly 48k this year) and at senior levels your total compensation can easily be double or triple your base. Partners obviously take draws and profit share.
This isn’t true. Quite a few Big Law firms don’t pay market outside of the major hubs, i.e., satellite offices. Also, not every Big Law firm has bumped up to $225k. There are still quite a few sitting at $215k.
There are some firms in the lower half of the V100 that pay 225k in major markets but less than that in low COL regions, or firms that start at 225k everywhere but don't raise equally everywhere.
Perkins k&L gates and Davis wright pay market. I don’t know if there’s any other true biglaw firms in the region. But regional “biglaw” is a thing everywhere.
It’s pretty arbitrary. Firms like stoel and ogletree deakins are regularly discussed on biglaw subreddit but neither pay scale. Same with plenty of national and international firms like wood smith
K&L and DWT do not pay market in Seattle. K&L is at like 200k and DWT at 180k iirc. Perkins does pay market. Cooley, Orrick, WSGR, and a few others with small offices do too.
All I did was comment on how low attorney salaries are. I didn't say I am not interested in the work. Am I not allowed to notice how little lawyers get paid?
You literally did say it’s little. I’m not being defensive though I’m saying even these listings are on the high end of what you can expect as a newbie lawyer. So if you consider these ranges little, you might be in for a surprise when you eventually get your first post-grad offer.
I was offered 85k from a 30 lawyer firm when I came out in 2022. I was shocked. Just sharing experiences. Think it’s you being defensive
Law degrees derive their value from being highly specialized and having a virtually unlimited ceiling for earning. The legal job market is pretty stable and very recession proof and you get a degree that relatively few people have which insulates you from competing for jobs against most of the population.
The same can’t be said for high paid marketing positions which are extremely scarce at the higher levels, relatively easy to replace, and capped at the ballpark of 200-300k for 95% of the positions out there.
Law probably isn’t for you, but it’s one of the highest paying professions by virtually every metric.
If you want to graduate and instantly make 250k, that’s not realistic in any profession. The people that do are very lucky and/or work very hard for a long time leading up to that.
It’s about the possibility of a high salary. The ceiling is a lot higher as an attorney than as a marketing guy if you’re good. For instance, you could make $10M a year as a personal injury attorney who went to a TTTT as long as you have a book of business.
Also, you can go start your own law firm. To be a marketing guy you have to be employed by a corporation.
This may be true, though “entry level” is often significantly lower, and the ceiling is much lower for much longer in Marketing and Communications jobs.
I'm not. A starting salary for data engineer or a software engineer is going to around 90k. While it's true that's considering larger companies, big law is basically the equivalent of a larger company.
You’re now also talking about another field where you need a lot of training and experience. Tech is hyper competitive and people are constantly struggling to find positions that pay well. And many of them only exist at the big tech companies.
Well a lot of that can be explained by a simple point:
- For several years, there have been a LOT of posts, YouTube videos, and more talking about how someone landed a SWE (software engineering) role without a degree (it IS possible, but it’s in the minority).
This led to the market being flooded with bushy-tailed, green “coders” that took a few tutorials online, but don’t really know how to program, and don’t have the supporting skills to back it up.
Perfect example: I submitted an internal application mid-last month for a data analyst role after working for a manufacturing company for 7+ years.
The HR lady told me they had to shut the job posting down because they had almost 200 applications in the first day,
And 90% of them weren’t even qualified for the role!
(Side note, they ended up wanting to talk to me, I guess because I’m internal already)…
I say all that to say:
The genuine competition in tech really isn’t what reddit makes it out to be.
It’s not between experienced people, it’s a lot of inexperienced people flooding the job marketplace, looking for an entry-level position.
But if you can walk the walk and have the skills to land a tech job, you will essentially always have recruiters trying to recruit you to another company.
Technically it wasn’t 200 applicants, it was ‘almost’ 200…but you’re not far off.
The point is, the job market isn’t as bad as some make it out to be, especially in the tech sector.
If you have the skills, the credentials, and can present yourself well in an interview, you can get a job.
Heck, they want me to submit a resume and I don’t even know how to do the job…
…but I already work for the company, and I’m a ridiculously fast learner.
So I’m going to do it for the kicks.
It’s not required because software engineers are held to standards based on their competency, not their education. That doesn’t make it easier to get a job.
You're missing the point -- the top echelons of a Law job will almost always way outweigh everything but the F500 C-Suite and the rare startup founder that makes it big.
Advice from an older law student, don’t worry about salary, it will come in time. Love the process and the law, it will take you further than worrying about money. Money is not the end goal, being happy with what you’re doing, and value your free time.
There are so many factors here that these screenshots are relatively useless.
First of all, area plays a big role in setting the salary number. PNW has a high COL, so the salaries might look “high” but with the COL, you might as well be making 80k with a 100+ salary
Secondly, notice how most of these listings require multiple years of experience prior to applying. Feel free to apply, but with the saturation of the market you’ll need to work some dogshit job before competing with at least 50 applicants for these higher paying jobs.
Third, as OP has stated, this is from a recruiter’s listserv. Those are never accurate and, most of the time, exaggerated on the high end. I wouldn’t be surprised if these best anyone could get was the lowest number listed in each range.
This is not a good or representative sample of pay ranges. If you want that, go to lawschooltransparency
That site, I’ve found, has the most realistic pay ranges for people graduating from specific schools, including area pay (both in terms of physical area and practice area)
This is not a good post. No offense.
Wow. Feel free to rely on social media populism instead of refuting anything I said. Nevermind you’re getting downvoted.
Oh, I see now, you actually agree with me. Interesting. Your last post before this one “recruiters do more harm than good…they don’t push for higher salaries”
And then this post “hey, check out this accurate post of salary ranges from a recruiter”
Good luck.
🤷♀️ makin 70k at 22 in a retail management position. Going to law school and these numbers are depressing. I’m going to have to CALI and go Big Law to make what I want
As a prosecutor making $58k a year this really bums me out.
That's rough. It sounds like your office has been completely left behind the salary trend for like 20 years.
Welcome to rural America
Come to Houston; starting pay is $97.5k and goes to about 115k in 1.5-2 years after that
I started as a prosecutor at 61k, our county board of supervisors then approved a COL adjustment and immediately jumped to 80k. It was such a relief.
And for BigLaw, [here’s the standard salary scale](https://www.biglawinvestor.com/biglaw-salary-scale/) below. Aka if a firm “pays market” it’s this. Watch out for sneaky things like claiming that xyz city has a different “market” because when most people say “pays market” they mean the below, now whatever firms pay in Minneapolis or whatever. First year: $225k + $20k bonus **($245k total)** Second year: $235k + $30k bonus **($265k total)** Third year: $260k + $57.5k bonus **($317.5k total)** Fourth year: $310k + $75k bonus **($385k total)** Fifth year: $365k + $90k bonus **($455k total)** Sixth year: $390k + $105k bonus **($495k total)** Seventh year: $420k + $115k bonus **($535k total)** Eight year: $435k + $115k bonus **($550k total)**
225+20k is objectively too much for any k-jd who happened to do well in law school to make. They are not worth that much. That's fucking stupid, no matter where you live. 225k is a shit ton of money to make year no matter how old or who you are. No one forces anyone to live in a high COA place like new york, it is either a choice or preference. There are *plenty* of places to live that are reasonable. This profession is whack,
Well their time can be billed out by the firm for as much as $800/hour and they generally bill at least 1800 hours so that’s at least $1.44 million in revenue (which then goes up each year). So even taking the most extreme assumptions about collection rates, write offs, overhead, benefits, etc. they are indeed very much worth a measly $245k to the firm.
So is the Cravath Scale only applicable to NYC Big Law?
No. The major firms in the major markets pay the Cravath scale (think Chicago/DC/LA/SF). When you start getting to other cities, there are fewer firms paying at that rate—usually national firms who happen to have an office in a given city for whatever reason (think Boston/Philadelphia/Miami/Houston/Denver)
Boston has a lot of big law, including firms that have their headquarters in Boston like Ropes, Goodwin, Wilmer, etc
I mean yeah the lines aren’t always so clear. Morgan Lewis is based in Philly. Susman is based in Houston. Not iron clad
This is generally true, except that Houston is very much on the “major markets” list (along with Dallas and Austin). I’m in Houston BigLaw and there are dozens of firms paying Cravath here. In fact, there’s an absolute gold rush for Texas BigLaw as firms from around the country (including 6 of the V10 and 13 of the V20) clamor to try and get in on the massive piles of cash here.
Phoenix?
For comparison, I got an MA before law school and was working in marketing. My salary was $55k per year. Peak salary for a copywriter in marketing is $80k right now. Don’t think this is on par with a marketing job.
Well everyone always makes six figures (so they say?) Fact is unless you’re 40-55 and a SR Mgr and up OR in tech with a hard technical skill, Breaking into the six figure range (environment and area dependent) can be fairly challenging. However, as an attorney it becomes incredibly easy to break into 6 figures and fast dependent upon how you network, leverage, and work. Now, I am an incoming 1L so I should add the disclaimer I am NOT practicing in a legal market, I do however have an MBA and work at a large corporation where I work in the office. Most people who are making $100-120K (at my company) are either in management, been there 20-30 years, both, or are above first level managers. Okay, let’s concede, one may say “Okay to become a manager it seems to be an easier path to quicker money.” Again I’d counter that claim. It is not easier, spots are limited and at least where I work, most people who get promoted have been there a minimum of 10+ years. Even so, breaking past senior manager (comp range 120-190) into VP level is much harder. I’d wager where I work, the median tenure of a senior manager is 15-30 years. So what’s my point? Well, that growth in most areas is incredibly slow, it’s a slow drip feed, once you hit a certain threshold IF and ONLY IF you hit it, depending upon work quality, politics, bureaucracy, luck, and timing, you’ll likely stagnate at a senior manager as the promotion(s) go to a big stop. In conclusion, my point is that a JD enables one to grow nonstop. Even if you do not start out making $100+ you can rapidly, you also can make partner with just time in, if that isn’t your speed go sole practice where your income level is really not capped at all. The JD opens up immense opportunities, and is recession proof; even the USSR had lawyers after all. Also, in agreeing with your statement, just adding in my own perspective.
And if you get into Biglaw and advance at the same rates as in other corporate jobs, in ten years you’ll be making 400k+
I hope you're right...but you're probably going to be really surprised in about 2.5-3 years.
Yeah possible. I suppose if I fuck off during school, and then Take a PD or prosecutor job and sit there until I retire, then I suppose the possibility of low income is there. I do believe most lawyers develop a victim complex and get a shitty job and just sit there, hop on Reddit, then tell everyone “lawyers don’t make money.” How have they leveraged their degree? Leveraged their connections? How did they pick summer jobs? How did they fare in school? Do they want to start their own private practice? Why or why not? Why don’t they try to level up into another job after experience? Just saying as is any profession it’s easy to be broke when you’re not motivated and don’t try to break through the next level. That goes for any field. Hell I could sit at my Job for the next 30 years making 3-4% raises and make maybe $80-85K and then get into Reddit and say “don’t get an MBA, you won’t make shit.” Or if wanted, I could stay motivated, job hopping, gain experience and promote up. Or if I have an MBA and go work a non profit making $50K for 20 years, I could also bitch on Reddit. It’s all about how someone leverages their skills and tools and how motivated and willing they are to level up.
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You’re a 2L. So you know as much about practicing as. I do.
Well put. Law has superior earning potential and stability above basically any other profession (although the 2009 financial crisis did wipe out legal market once). You also advance much faster than any other profession. By way of example, in lucrative areas of law you can see 30-50%+ base increase in years 2-5. In any case, it will never be 3%. You can start at $110k (mainly because no one wants to pay while you learn where digital documents are stored and accessed at the firm etc.) and two years later be over at $200k. There really isn’t a limit from there other than how much of your time you want to put into it.
Financial crisis? *Laughs in bankruptcy law*
😂😂 that’s hysterical. Touché. So are the booms times a bust?
Nope! If you can get good at the transactional aspects of the work, there are always distressed companies that could use advice, and there are always businesses that go through downturns even in good times. It's certainly less sought-after in times of wealth, but goddamn are bankruptcy lawyers necessary when shit hits the fan.
Totally agree, I think I got downvoted for simply telling a hard truth others don’t want to hear. It’s much easier if things happened to you rather than what you did to have them happen and what you can do to self correct. Like Goggin’s says “if you’re fucking fat, you need to look into the mirror and tell yourself you’re fucking fat, then find out how to fix it.” Maybe I’m ignorant, maybe I’m wrong. I still believe at my core that the JD market is not that over saturated and the presently for high income is there, just depends on how one works. I just feel that getting a bachelors, then the LSAT, then the ad-comm, then passing, the. Graduating, then taking the BAR, acts as a large filter that likely keeps numbers of jobs and law graduates optimal. Though I think the ABA should start shutting shitty schools down. The path to becoming a lawyer probably shouldn’t be available to anyone. Just like not everyone can go be a doctor. Side note: I think prerequisite courses for law school should also be mandated like they are for medical school.
Yeah there are tons of bad attorneys. It depends on your practice area but generally comes down to work ethic.
You shouldn't believe this until you see the raw data. Kurtosis, standard deviation, mean median mode. The distortion from some trash lawyer compensation shouldn't direct your future.
can i eb so honest, you can make a lot of this doing simple marketing jobs. i don't know why I'm killing myself for this.
overall point is fair but most entry-level marketing jobs are like $60k or less. you make much better only after several years.
These are pre bonus base salary ranges and again just a small sampling. Associates at firms like these get bonuses anywhere from 10-75k (mine will be roughly 48k this year) and at senior levels your total compensation can easily be double or triple your base. Partners obviously take draws and profit share.
Which marketing jobs…?
These are small and mid law firms. Big law in PNW is at 175-185 right now and regional big law is 145-165.
Not to be pedantic, but if the firm isn’t paying market (225k) it isn’t what most would consider “big law.” Big law is paying 225k everywhere.
This isn’t true. Quite a few Big Law firms don’t pay market outside of the major hubs, i.e., satellite offices. Also, not every Big Law firm has bumped up to $225k. There are still quite a few sitting at $215k.
There are some firms in the lower half of the V100 that pay 225k in major markets but less than that in low COL regions, or firms that start at 225k everywhere but don't raise equally everywhere.
Perkins k&L gates and Davis wright pay market. I don’t know if there’s any other true biglaw firms in the region. But regional “biglaw” is a thing everywhere.
> regional “biglaw” is a thing everywhere. That’s midlaw.
It’s pretty arbitrary. Firms like stoel and ogletree deakins are regularly discussed on biglaw subreddit but neither pay scale. Same with plenty of national and international firms like wood smith
At the margins, maybe it’s somewhat arbitrary. But market pay in primary markets tends to be the accepted benchmark for BigLaw.
K&L and DWT do not pay market in Seattle. K&L is at like 200k and DWT at 180k iirc. Perkins does pay market. Cooley, Orrick, WSGR, and a few others with small offices do too.
Fenwick does (or did a few years ago). Think Cooley was just below.
damn, seattle is hefty expensive and its bl pays worse than bl in texas, which has way lower col
That's still fairly low. 175-180k is the same as a corporate HRBP.
wtf are you smoking, 175k is a fk ton of money
Fair enough, I misspoke. I meant in comparison for the amount of schooling and debt required to practice law.
Sounds like you made a mistake with your career path then if you’re only in it to cash max and not cause you’re interested in the work.
All I did was comment on how low attorney salaries are. I didn't say I am not interested in the work. Am I not allowed to notice how little lawyers get paid?
If this is little to you, you’re in for a tough go of it lol
I didn't say that either. You are awfully defensive.
You literally did say it’s little. I’m not being defensive though I’m saying even these listings are on the high end of what you can expect as a newbie lawyer. So if you consider these ranges little, you might be in for a surprise when you eventually get your first post-grad offer. I was offered 85k from a 30 lawyer firm when I came out in 2022. I was shocked. Just sharing experiences. Think it’s you being defensive
That's the point I am making. It's low.
Law degrees derive their value from being highly specialized and having a virtually unlimited ceiling for earning. The legal job market is pretty stable and very recession proof and you get a degree that relatively few people have which insulates you from competing for jobs against most of the population. The same can’t be said for high paid marketing positions which are extremely scarce at the higher levels, relatively easy to replace, and capped at the ballpark of 200-300k for 95% of the positions out there.
Law probably isn’t for you, but it’s one of the highest paying professions by virtually every metric. If you want to graduate and instantly make 250k, that’s not realistic in any profession. The people that do are very lucky and/or work very hard for a long time leading up to that.
My guy you literally just said that in the previous comment lmao
It’s about the possibility of a high salary. The ceiling is a lot higher as an attorney than as a marketing guy if you’re good. For instance, you could make $10M a year as a personal injury attorney who went to a TTTT as long as you have a book of business. Also, you can go start your own law firm. To be a marketing guy you have to be employed by a corporation.
This may be true, though “entry level” is often significantly lower, and the ceiling is much lower for much longer in Marketing and Communications jobs.
This is what I keep thinking. Nearly every other career which only requires a BS (or nothing) pays more than this. It's so hard to justify going.
Yeah, but it seems like you're comparing top of the line salaries to low to mid range salaries.
I'm not. A starting salary for data engineer or a software engineer is going to around 90k. While it's true that's considering larger companies, big law is basically the equivalent of a larger company.
You’re now also talking about another field where you need a lot of training and experience. Tech is hyper competitive and people are constantly struggling to find positions that pay well. And many of them only exist at the big tech companies.
Well a lot of that can be explained by a simple point: - For several years, there have been a LOT of posts, YouTube videos, and more talking about how someone landed a SWE (software engineering) role without a degree (it IS possible, but it’s in the minority). This led to the market being flooded with bushy-tailed, green “coders” that took a few tutorials online, but don’t really know how to program, and don’t have the supporting skills to back it up. Perfect example: I submitted an internal application mid-last month for a data analyst role after working for a manufacturing company for 7+ years. The HR lady told me they had to shut the job posting down because they had almost 200 applications in the first day, And 90% of them weren’t even qualified for the role! (Side note, they ended up wanting to talk to me, I guess because I’m internal already)… I say all that to say: The genuine competition in tech really isn’t what reddit makes it out to be. It’s not between experienced people, it’s a lot of inexperienced people flooding the job marketplace, looking for an entry-level position. But if you can walk the walk and have the skills to land a tech job, you will essentially always have recruiters trying to recruit you to another company.
That’s still 20 qualified applicants for one role in one day, no?
Technically it wasn’t 200 applicants, it was ‘almost’ 200…but you’re not far off. The point is, the job market isn’t as bad as some make it out to be, especially in the tech sector. If you have the skills, the credentials, and can present yourself well in an interview, you can get a job. Heck, they want me to submit a resume and I don’t even know how to do the job… …but I already work for the company, and I’m a ridiculously fast learner. So I’m going to do it for the kicks.
Not really. A master's degree helps but is rarely required.
It’s not required because software engineers are held to standards based on their competency, not their education. That doesn’t make it easier to get a job.
I was more referring to the HR and Marketing staff. Top notch software engineers can make bank.
So does top notch HR. An HRBP can easily make 160k-180k.
You're missing the point -- the top echelons of a Law job will almost always way outweigh everything but the F500 C-Suite and the rare startup founder that makes it big.
Advice from an older law student, don’t worry about salary, it will come in time. Love the process and the law, it will take you further than worrying about money. Money is not the end goal, being happy with what you’re doing, and value your free time.
There are so many factors here that these screenshots are relatively useless. First of all, area plays a big role in setting the salary number. PNW has a high COL, so the salaries might look “high” but with the COL, you might as well be making 80k with a 100+ salary Secondly, notice how most of these listings require multiple years of experience prior to applying. Feel free to apply, but with the saturation of the market you’ll need to work some dogshit job before competing with at least 50 applicants for these higher paying jobs. Third, as OP has stated, this is from a recruiter’s listserv. Those are never accurate and, most of the time, exaggerated on the high end. I wouldn’t be surprised if these best anyone could get was the lowest number listed in each range. This is not a good or representative sample of pay ranges. If you want that, go to lawschooltransparency That site, I’ve found, has the most realistic pay ranges for people graduating from specific schools, including area pay (both in terms of physical area and practice area) This is not a good post. No offense.
A bunch of people disagree with you but go off I guess.
Wow. Feel free to rely on social media populism instead of refuting anything I said. Nevermind you’re getting downvoted. Oh, I see now, you actually agree with me. Interesting. Your last post before this one “recruiters do more harm than good…they don’t push for higher salaries” And then this post “hey, check out this accurate post of salary ranges from a recruiter” Good luck.
This really has you bothered lol. I’m literally just sharing a screenshot of an email I got for information purposes. Relax
The upvotes and downvotes show a different story, but go off I guess.
What site are you using?
This is just a recruiting firm listerv
Assuming these are all base salaries, what kinds of bonuses would one expect? And what would that depend on?
Most of the listings for lawyers in my area are 60-80k.ive seen one at 100k.
Fuck yeah, here comes the money! Thanks OP.
🤷♀️ makin 70k at 22 in a retail management position. Going to law school and these numbers are depressing. I’m going to have to CALI and go Big Law to make what I want