I mean, he’s not one of the three stooges but he’s definitely written as a satirical, somewhat bumbling and out of touch version of the Marlowe character when contrasted to how he is usually portrayed.
[Lady of Burlesque (1943)](https://letterboxd.com/film/lady-of-burlesque/), Barbara Stanwyck, dir. William Wellman
[The Princess Comes Across (1936](https://letterboxd.com/film/the-princess-comes-across/)), Carole Lombard, Fred MacMurray
Screwball and noir are diametrically opposed. Not saying it isn’t possible but I don’t see much of any noir in those. Mystery/detective /= noir. Screwball mystery seems more appropriate.
Yes, they are opposed! These are movies where there is a tonal dissonance between dark, noir-elements and silly characters. All of these films have different ways of playing with that contrast.
I guess I just disagree with you on that. Having dark detective elements is just a small shot of noir and its history. It doesn’t hold the history, the deep cynicism, and artistic freedom of noir. I think what you are more associating it with is elements of neo noir that don’t necessarily relate to the original noir.
The Big Lebowski
Also, good name for this sub-genre.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Aftterhours? Though that might be more of a comedy of errors
Maybe not exactly on point, but Inherent Vice, maybe The Long Goodbye also
Nah, The Long Goodbye protagonist is not stupid, he is cold asf
I mean, he’s not one of the three stooges but he’s definitely written as a satirical, somewhat bumbling and out of touch version of the Marlowe character when contrasted to how he is usually portrayed.
Yeah, indeed he is. I guess that's why I loved him. He is a perfect loser, but he is also so cool...
Totally, and I think in that sense he can reasonably be contrasted to The Dude or Doc Sportello from Inherent Vice.
Yup, Inherent Vice is very much inspired by The Long Goodbye.
Absolutely, and also Lebowski.
The Fall Guy. Gosling has two of these now
The fall guy does have a sort of murder-mystery plot, but it doesn’t have any noir-elements
The idea of a screwball-noire seems kind of paradoxical to me. Curious to hear why you think Hit Man is more noire than Fall Guy?
[Lady of Burlesque (1943)](https://letterboxd.com/film/lady-of-burlesque/), Barbara Stanwyck, dir. William Wellman [The Princess Comes Across (1936](https://letterboxd.com/film/the-princess-comes-across/)), Carole Lombard, Fred MacMurray
Confess, Fletch - that is the name of the movie, that’s not two different movies.
Dumb and dumber
Screwball and noir are diametrically opposed. Not saying it isn’t possible but I don’t see much of any noir in those. Mystery/detective /= noir. Screwball mystery seems more appropriate.
Yes, they are opposed! These are movies where there is a tonal dissonance between dark, noir-elements and silly characters. All of these films have different ways of playing with that contrast.
I guess I just disagree with you on that. Having dark detective elements is just a small shot of noir and its history. It doesn’t hold the history, the deep cynicism, and artistic freedom of noir. I think what you are more associating it with is elements of neo noir that don’t necessarily relate to the original noir.