Vega and Alvarado ain’t Vinicius or Di Maria,
But at least they have decent technique and brains.
Lozano gave way too many chances not just during this copa America, but even before, to guys like this and Antuna.
And I ask… why??? (Specially Antuna) you have guys incapable of doing decent crosses, terrible with their first touch, terrible at dribbling, terrible at positioning themselves in good spaces….
How can you expect to have clear and legitimate goal chances, when you can’t even perform the very basic concepts of football?
Antuna looked like amateur.
You can’t just put players and ask them just to run and run, and fight against defenders.
There’s 0 creativity in Mexico.
Terrible players, but also a terrorist coach.
Antuna baffles me. he is only quick but that gets lost with his bad touches and inability to hit the ball with a modicum of accuracy. i was so thankful when he left Chivas but for him to be called to the national team and then be put into game states where he can not run like crazy beats me.
Only bc Diego Valdez and Henry Martin play more centrally and have no way of playing on the wing. He’s not a real winger and it became very apparent this copa America.
He couldn’t cut it in tigres and had two bicampeonatos that were given to him..besides the copa what has he done for Mexico? One goal against Panama ?💀
A winger making more plays than a striker is the norm, like no shit dude, that's Jimmy's whole system and it clearly doesn't work.
Y'all need to chill and stop unnecessary comparisons between players who played like shit on a team that's shit on all fronts. Witch hunting like this won't solve anything. They're both equally responsible.
This is why I call out anytime people try to pull the “but Henry didn’t get any service and you all shit on him” because Henry never played has a full 9 under Jimmy. The man’s job was to assist the wings. That system worked against a Panama but ofc didn’t work for the US.
After the game against the US, jimmy did not change his shit system and only brought in Quiñones and Santi in to be in the place of Chucky and Henry. He brought in a 9 to play in a system that doesn’t benefit a 9 while also playing players out of position like Quiñones.
You would be right but fucking Memote everytime with less time is producing more than Santi.
Admit it, Santi, ain't shit rn, y'all still riding that Copa Oro goal-
What the fuck are you even saying? I literally just implied Santi was ass too.
Also, in regards to Memote, if you were talking about performance, I'd say that's subjective and fair to say he was better than Santi. But production? They both had literally the same numbers = 0 GOALS.
Does Santi need to do better? Absolutely. He's nowhere near his best level. But so does Quiñones, and so does literally every other player on this squad.
Your whataboutism is ridiculous and is just as helpful as throwing a rock at a wall.
I don't think Santi is great but the dude is a poacher, and poachers need serviceable balls crossed in order to score. Yet he doesn't receive those, and the few he got he missed.
What I'm saying, everything needs to get better. Santi alone is not the problem.
Quinones lost the ball more than anyone else on either team in all 3 games but he had a good shot. Give me a fucking break hahaha nobody is free from criticism on this team
Why? He's born and raised in Colombia and now he's fucking off to the middle east the first chance he got. We don't need him at all it's embarrassing to have him there. Plus he still hasn't had a good game for Mexico after an entire year
Out of all the naturalizados only Sinha has played well. You can't act like that isn't a trend. There's a reason Colombia didn't want him and now he has people defending him despite the fact that he has never played well for us. Amazing.
he's a good player and had good tournament imo. you dont rate him? thats fine i dont care lol. but we are not in a position to stop calling him in the same way that you cant stop calling santi cause he's been poor for the national team so far. it aint rocket science, my guy.
If he's not there to elevate us then what do we need him for? Wasn't that always the reasoning behind extranjeros? They are so good we desperately need them to cover a position that we're weak in and yet he didn't do anything that Lainez couldn't have done. It's not about whether I rate him or not. The fact is he was terrible in every game and will continue to be because he doesn't fit into the team at all. In fact, I think you're only defending him because he's an extranjero. If Alexis played like that NOBODY would defend him
You are talking about the wrong person the coach is at fault for not putting his players in a position where they can complement each other. Jimmy clearly doesn’t have the balls to take chances. He is the sole responsible for calling up his team. You have youth talented players why didn’t he play them
Our fullbacks had better dribbling and beat their 1v1 more then this tronquiñones also all he was pass back. Get ready to learn Arabic buddy cause you literally heading there 🤣🤣
Why talk about any player bro they are all fucking shit . Quit being racist mamon. All of them are trash all. We scraped the barrel and we might as well put in our tios after a shot of tequila at least it would be entertaining.
The racist fans who made monkey noises at him in the Akron made it about race. the racist fans who called him monkey over a stupid penalty made it about race.
He was subpar but so was the rest of the NT. He’s been the most singled out player this tournament for some reason tho. Idk why, maybe ask those fans in the Akron idk
I don’t have to project anything, racist ass mexican fans already shown what they feel about him.
First Chivas fans making monkey noises at him TWICE. Now mexico fans solely blaming him for this elimination like cmon lol
I don’t know, but the mods here are a bunch of Edgar cunts. They keep this post but deleted mine multiple times lol. How does this not get tagged as better suited for the match thread??
Should be 4-2-4 put Santi & Quiñones, pojo left and Vega on the opposite, Edson and Romo/ cortizo and the defense the same unless Julian Alvarez is health then switch for Jorge !
He joins a long list of naturalizados that have accomplished absolutely nothing
* Gabriel Caballero
* Sinha
* Guille Franco
* Matias Vuoso
* Darwin Quintero
* Funes Mori
* Chaco Gimenez
* Santi Gimenez
I'm ure i missed some. Jesus this is just sad....
I don’t think he’s much to blame, should’ve played 4-4-2 from the start with this dude playing second striker off Santi. Anyway this should be his last tournament ever with Mexico because we shouldn’t be calling players that choose the bag over true professional development, nothing wrong with getting the bag but only people with desire to improve and play at the top level should be taken in consideration for the NT.
Absolutely terrible all tournament. We twerk so hard for these naturalizados and they never work.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LigaMX/comments/17ru4cf/julian_qui%C3%B1ones_commitment_to_the_mexican/
People really thought he was going to make the difference too
He’s not a FUCKING WINGER with las wilas he plays behind el tronco de Henry Martin…this is why the 4-2-3-1 formation makes more sense for Mexican nt .. el chino Huerta also played out of position he’s normally a LW or CF behind the striker… jimmy died with the 4-3-3 formation…
Yeah bro is too predictable every time he got the ball just cut in, he is like antuna with his fintas and he's technically mid he has worse ball control than even johan, but he's fast and can be good if the rest of the team was faster on the counter, he could be a monster, but we're really slow. He is good for Liga mx but it makes sense why Colombia didn't call him up. You also gotta consider the fact he's the most consistent (naturally right footed) player on the left though Vega can have his off days and Marcelo is untested.
Vega y el piojo, vienen de uno de sus mejores torneos. A uno lo metes cuando faltan 8 minutos y al otro ni a calentar lo mandas, pero a este pendejo lo tienes de titular, cuando ha demostrado que no hace diferencia alguna.
Ojalá ya se largue a Arabia y nunca vuelva, no es mexicano y le quita un espacio a un joven que si lo es. Lo mismo para Santi.
Ya me tienen hasta la vrga ver a cabrones naturalizados qué en sus países valen berga y vienen aquí a quitar espacios a los nacionales.
Your football IQ is low my guy. He’s the only one that put in dangerous centros ALL tournament. He’s playing out of position and also gave the most effort, energy, shot on goal today that, created danger AND tries to help in defense.
OP did a racism.
Nah fr this ain’t it, you ask him to play winger and then have him on the same side as Arteaga ? Who can’t decide if he should defend or attack first ? Make him tuck in next to Santi like he does with Henry.
Hahahah Santi dick riders deflecting with Quiñones even though he was clearly the best up front, had the most dangerous, provided decent enough crosses.
Since Henry is not available to be scapegoated, let’s dick ride Santi by shitting on Quiñones. Ridiculous
Came for few good games then dip
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Vega and Alvarado ain’t Vinicius or Di Maria, But at least they have decent technique and brains. Lozano gave way too many chances not just during this copa America, but even before, to guys like this and Antuna. And I ask… why??? (Specially Antuna) you have guys incapable of doing decent crosses, terrible with their first touch, terrible at dribbling, terrible at positioning themselves in good spaces…. How can you expect to have clear and legitimate goal chances, when you can’t even perform the very basic concepts of football? Antuna looked like amateur. You can’t just put players and ask them just to run and run, and fight against defenders. There’s 0 creativity in Mexico. Terrible players, but also a terrorist coach.
The only thing that makes him a terrorist coach is how badly he bombed in the Copa America
Typo Meant terrible.
I dont think it was a typo lol
He’s bad, but definitely not a terrorist 😬
Antuna baffles me. he is only quick but that gets lost with his bad touches and inability to hit the ball with a modicum of accuracy. i was so thankful when he left Chivas but for him to be called to the national team and then be put into game states where he can not run like crazy beats me.
And the fact that he was one of the best players in the past season tells a lot about our League level and football level in general
Fr the generation is scuffed
I find it hard not to blame the tactics because both Santi and Quiñones are decent players
Quiñones is really good, tbh. Should have played up forward along with Santi and play Huerta or Vega as LW
Never been a big fan of him but they also play him as a winger which he clearly isn’t
They all suck the whole team is ass
He plays winger for America.
Yeah and he didn’t do much there because of that
So what position does he play in America?
No he doesn’t. He’s actually an Al-Qadsiah Football Club legend
Lmfao true
Only bc Diego Valdez and Henry Martin play more centrally and have no way of playing on the wing. He’s not a real winger and it became very apparent this copa America.
This last season of liga Mx
I’m not a fan that he played winger… it was the opportunity for: #PIOJO ALVARADO
Are you forgetting who owns the national team
Same owners who left their best 9 out ? Make it make sense
alv como chillan
Ya gonzalo
He threw better crosses than antuna
Lowest of bars. Antuna might be the sorriest mfer to start for Mexico
Charly Rodríguez would like a word. At least Antuna is responsible for a few goals.
vs cuba
And Germany
Fax and he almost scored a banger agaisnt ecuador
Dude jajaja, mi mamá sin una pierna manda mejores centros que Antuna.
He was ass for a lot of the game but had the best shot
Best crosses came from him too
Yup the missed header from chino
the 2 crosses he gave the whole time
Ain’t no way. We’re hitting new lows if having the “best shot” is defining a game for players 😭
Should’ve played 2 striker formation with him and Santi/memo upfront
Thank you. Dude can create down the middle
That's what everyone has been saying in sports commentators
No way he's a bum. His shot was the best one shot on goal Mexico had all of this game.
He did better than most of the players out there. It’s not his fault he’s playing with puro tronco a la verga.
Op is Quiñones biggest hater. It makes sence since Quiñones scored the winning goal against Tigre’s and caused the red on Fulgencio 💀
He couldn’t cut it in tigres and had two bicampeonatos that were given to him..besides the copa what has he done for Mexico? One goal against Panama ?💀
You thought you was cooking with this one huh
LMAO “Si., tiene 2 bicampeonatos pero……”
Puro pinche ancianos en tigres jaja hasta la banca del ame gano hoy contra los titulares de chiquitigres. Quiño sería titular fácil. 😂😂
Oh fuck off, this twat made more plays than Santi has.
A winger making more plays than a striker is the norm, like no shit dude, that's Jimmy's whole system and it clearly doesn't work. Y'all need to chill and stop unnecessary comparisons between players who played like shit on a team that's shit on all fronts. Witch hunting like this won't solve anything. They're both equally responsible.
This is why I call out anytime people try to pull the “but Henry didn’t get any service and you all shit on him” because Henry never played has a full 9 under Jimmy. The man’s job was to assist the wings. That system worked against a Panama but ofc didn’t work for the US. After the game against the US, jimmy did not change his shit system and only brought in Quiñones and Santi in to be in the place of Chucky and Henry. He brought in a 9 to play in a system that doesn’t benefit a 9 while also playing players out of position like Quiñones.
You would be right but fucking Memote everytime with less time is producing more than Santi. Admit it, Santi, ain't shit rn, y'all still riding that Copa Oro goal-
What the fuck are you even saying? I literally just implied Santi was ass too. Also, in regards to Memote, if you were talking about performance, I'd say that's subjective and fair to say he was better than Santi. But production? They both had literally the same numbers = 0 GOALS. Does Santi need to do better? Absolutely. He's nowhere near his best level. But so does Quiñones, and so does literally every other player on this squad. Your whataboutism is ridiculous and is just as helpful as throwing a rock at a wall.
I don't think Santi is great but the dude is a poacher, and poachers need serviceable balls crossed in order to score. Yet he doesn't receive those, and the few he got he missed. What I'm saying, everything needs to get better. Santi alone is not the problem.
He also lost a lot of balls. I remember Chucky Lozano being the same way and everyone shat on him for it. The America bias quinones has is crazy
Would rather have seen Chucky play.
Bullshit como le llovian mentadas a chucky y que vive del gol vs germany vayanse a comer mierda
El chucky es mucho mejor que Antuna, Huerta, y Vega.
Tiene el ego más grande que esos 3 juntos también.
Tu y la mayoria de este foro tienen el ego mas grande dicen que apoyan pero solo tiran mala vibra vayanse a comer mierda todos
Chúpamela. Tu y el Chucky
Pudrete alv
CTM
No existe
De todos modos
Y sí, nada habría cambiado con Chucky
chucky lost his x factor, he never looks dangerous
Bro. In case you didn’t realize… the whole team was shit.
This is the only tournament he will play with Mexico. He’s done in Saudi
Doubt it. Saudi has a comparable league level to Liga MX
He wasn't the problem lmao
Idk maybe don’t play him as a winger nd let him play behind Santi but nah
Gotta ask why jimmy never tried to change anything
dead ass had the best strike of the game. fuck you talking about?
You right bro, cause he had the best strike of the game we got the 3 points and advance to the quarter finals. My fault g
bro, in a team of average players, quinones is the least of our problems.
Quinones lost the ball more than anyone else on either team in all 3 games but he had a good shot. Give me a fucking break hahaha nobody is free from criticism on this team
yep, preciado got the better of him no doubt. but to say he is a bum that shouldnt see be on the team is one of the dumbest takes out there.
Why? He's born and raised in Colombia and now he's fucking off to the middle east the first chance he got. We don't need him at all it's embarrassing to have him there. Plus he still hasn't had a good game for Mexico after an entire year
not this dumb shit again. he's a mexican citizen and one of our better players. yes, he should continue to be called.
👏🏼
Out of all the naturalizados only Sinha has played well. You can't act like that isn't a trend. There's a reason Colombia didn't want him and now he has people defending him despite the fact that he has never played well for us. Amazing.
he's a good player and had good tournament imo. you dont rate him? thats fine i dont care lol. but we are not in a position to stop calling him in the same way that you cant stop calling santi cause he's been poor for the national team so far. it aint rocket science, my guy.
If he's not there to elevate us then what do we need him for? Wasn't that always the reasoning behind extranjeros? They are so good we desperately need them to cover a position that we're weak in and yet he didn't do anything that Lainez couldn't have done. It's not about whether I rate him or not. The fact is he was terrible in every game and will continue to be because he doesn't fit into the team at all. In fact, I think you're only defending him because he's an extranjero. If Alexis played like that NOBODY would defend him
What did Santi do again? 1 strike is better than none
we need CR7 body type playahs... que coman mas tacos ...pero no tanto como el Borracho Vega
Where are Tigre’s players at? Talking all that shit and they lost against ame today 🤣 full starting team and couldn’t beat ame
Tigres didn’t have all starters and I guarantee Ozziel Cordova and a fit lainez would have done more than quinones bum ass
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Venezuela secret agent
I thought bro was born in Colombia
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
CONMEBOL agent
the best player on the national team rn and y’all r blaming him lmfao u guys don’t know shit really
Way better than Antuna
I wanted him to play as a false 9. With Vega and Piojo on the wings
Don't call him a bum when he has more goals for Mexico than Santi
He doesn't 🤨
He had the best shot and gave chino like 3 clear crosses y’all are dumb af.
Eh did better than antuna and your guys savior santi
Absolutely man, santi didn’t do shit, total waste of space
That or have a 27 year old doing the same thing. Might as well have the youngsters earn experience.
Take it back 23 year old vs 31 years old Martin.
Umm yea I think Henry Martin is also a waste of space 😂
No creo que sea todo su culpa, Jimmy lo puso en una posición donde no es natural
You are talking about the wrong person the coach is at fault for not putting his players in a position where they can complement each other. Jimmy clearly doesn’t have the balls to take chances. He is the sole responsible for calling up his team. You have youth talented players why didn’t he play them
Our fullbacks had better dribbling and beat their 1v1 more then this tronquiñones also all he was pass back. Get ready to learn Arabic buddy cause you literally heading there 🤣🤣
Dude has been washed since before he left atlas
Nahh chill
Why talk about any player bro they are all fucking shit . Quit being racist mamon. All of them are trash all. We scraped the barrel and we might as well put in our tios after a shot of tequila at least it would be entertaining.
Where was bro racist?
What else you wanna call him? Just say it already
Quinones defenders want to keep making it about race so bad. In reality he lost the ball more than anyone else on either team in all 3 games lol
The racist fans who made monkey noises at him in the Akron made it about race. the racist fans who called him monkey over a stupid penalty made it about race. He was subpar but so was the rest of the NT. He’s been the most singled out player this tournament for some reason tho. Idk why, maybe ask those fans in the Akron idk
They think they are Eurotapatios in Jalisco smh
He's ass. He doesn't want to call him anything else. Stop projecting lol
I don’t have to project anything, racist ass mexican fans already shown what they feel about him. First Chivas fans making monkey noises at him TWICE. Now mexico fans solely blaming him for this elimination like cmon lol
clown shit not to call up Chucky and this guy showed why, we had no LW
He's a CF playing behind another one ideally. Not a winger, not his fault he was played out of position.
Should have stayed in atlas he gotten lazy playing for televisa and everything handed to him
Wilos real quiet but if a chivas player caused it there’s be mad memes and mierda talking in here 😂.
Caused it?? Orbelin missed a penalty, Santi missed clear opportunities that were created by Julian?
He caused the pen last game. All players are ass
He was made to come back and defend when he isn’t a defender? At least pretend to know a single thing about fútbol. Damn the ignorance.
Your player got us in this shitty position where we had to beat ecuador
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Mi goat
They're the biggest babies in the world. Cannot handle any kind of criticism
jajajaja muerdete la lengua chillahermano un poco de introspeccion les vendria bien
He has moments of quality but there are too many times where he kills an attack by just slowing things down.
Idiots blame the players...blame the Liga mx Federacion Owners Teams ...then players Pendejos
I don’t know, but the mods here are a bunch of Edgar cunts. They keep this post but deleted mine multiple times lol. How does this not get tagged as better suited for the match thread??
He suuuucks in that position and cost us a pen against Ven
He sent the best cross all game to Chino Huerta, but Huerta didn’t know how to header.
He’s been out of form for awhile. Kinda shocked he got the Saudi deal.
Always been a bum even in his debut for Mexico he missed some clear chances
This is our golden trash bag in the pile of shit bags that is our team. He was the only one who played with intent.
Should be 4-2-4 put Santi & Quiñones, pojo left and Vega on the opposite, Edson and Romo/ cortizo and the defense the same unless Julian Alvarez is health then switch for Jorge !
He should be up top
He joins a long list of naturalizados that have accomplished absolutely nothing * Gabriel Caballero * Sinha * Guille Franco * Matias Vuoso * Darwin Quintero * Funes Mori * Chaco Gimenez * Santi Gimenez I'm ure i missed some. Jesus this is just sad....
He's not a winger, also he always went down to support Arteaga in defense, that's Jimmy's fault, not putting him in where he shines.
OP is just mad he scored on them in the final
Americanistas said this man would save the team 😂
Yea Save them from Argentina by gifting that penalty lmao
What does he even do
Win a final against Cruz azul earlier in the year. Just that.
Orale 🤙
Found Santi much worse
If he really had to take one out to bring the fucking tuna man, he should’ve taken this dude out. Chino was way more involved than julian
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He was involved a lot more than quinones.
Three centros this game that Santi and Chino wasted. I don’t see any other winger with more creativity.
Bruh you think Santi is ass? Imagine if they played em on the wing. Thats exactly how they did quiñones
Tigres es un equipo chico. lol
Ppl really defending this guy? 🤡🤡 he's been bad for a while
He got the ball robbed from him so many times. He got pocketed hard. Call me a hater, but it's true.
I don’t think he’s much to blame, should’ve played 4-4-2 from the start with this dude playing second striker off Santi. Anyway this should be his last tournament ever with Mexico because we shouldn’t be calling players that choose the bag over true professional development, nothing wrong with getting the bag but only people with desire to improve and play at the top level should be taken in consideration for the NT.
Better players in Saudi League compared to Liga MX
The Europeans that went there are good but the average Saudi league player wouldn’t even sniff a start at the shittiest liga Mx side
He’s shit. Never call this bum up again
Absolutely terrible all tournament. We twerk so hard for these naturalizados and they never work. https://www.reddit.com/r/LigaMX/comments/17ru4cf/julian_qui%C3%B1ones_commitment_to_the_mexican/ People really thought he was going to make the difference too
He’s not a FUCKING WINGER with las wilas he plays behind el tronco de Henry Martin…this is why the 4-2-3-1 formation makes more sense for Mexican nt .. el chino Huerta also played out of position he’s normally a LW or CF behind the striker… jimmy died with the 4-3-3 formation…
Scored two goals in our warmup matches but did fuck all in Copa America. Columbia can have him back. At least send us a good player
Yeah bro is too predictable every time he got the ball just cut in, he is like antuna with his fintas and he's technically mid he has worse ball control than even johan, but he's fast and can be good if the rest of the team was faster on the counter, he could be a monster, but we're really slow. He is good for Liga mx but it makes sense why Colombia didn't call him up. You also gotta consider the fact he's the most consistent (naturally right footed) player on the left though Vega can have his off days and Marcelo is untested.
Vega y el piojo, vienen de uno de sus mejores torneos. A uno lo metes cuando faltan 8 minutos y al otro ni a calentar lo mandas, pero a este pendejo lo tienes de titular, cuando ha demostrado que no hace diferencia alguna.
I’m sure chino takes the cake
Ojalá ya se largue a Arabia y nunca vuelva, no es mexicano y le quita un espacio a un joven que si lo es. Lo mismo para Santi. Ya me tienen hasta la vrga ver a cabrones naturalizados qué en sus países valen berga y vienen aquí a quitar espacios a los nacionales.
Ah caray, a quién le quita el lugar? Marcelino?
Ya llego el wilo a defenderlo
Your football IQ is low my guy. He’s the only one that put in dangerous centros ALL tournament. He’s playing out of position and also gave the most effort, energy, shot on goal today that, created danger AND tries to help in defense.
OP did a racism. Nah fr this ain’t it, you ask him to play winger and then have him on the same side as Arteaga ? Who can’t decide if he should defend or attack first ? Make him tuck in next to Santi like he does with Henry.
Race was not mentioned at all in my post. Stop playing the race card to justify his terrible performance
That’s racism, man. I love to racism bro Eres de Tigre’s we, allí tienes algo contra Julián.
Hahahah Santi dick riders deflecting with Quiñones even though he was clearly the best up front, had the most dangerous, provided decent enough crosses. Since Henry is not available to be scapegoated, let’s dick ride Santi by shitting on Quiñones. Ridiculous
As an America fan I never really liked how he plays can’t dribble to save his life.
Fake ass fan
Haha I love this sub keep on making more half assed statements!
Otro fantasma. Nomás sabe meterle gol al Mazatlán y al Puebla
Quítenle la nacionalidad. De seguro ya hasta está aplicando para volverse árabe
Televisa and America fans chocked on his meat he’s fucken ass
Came for few good games then dip https://preview.redd.it/d6xyx04hft9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e826fad6d4d2a4d7fa96cc3920c0b872882b246b
Him along with Chavez. They did nothing
Negro