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Able-Detective-5650

Vega and Alvarado ain’t Vinicius or Di Maria,  But at least they have decent technique and brains.  Lozano gave way too many chances not just during this copa America, but even before, to guys like this and Antuna.    And I ask… why???   (Specially Antuna) you have guys incapable of doing decent crosses, terrible with their first touch, terrible at dribbling, terrible at positioning themselves in good spaces….  How can you expect to have clear and legitimate goal chances, when you can’t even perform the very basic concepts of football?  Antuna looked like amateur. You can’t just put players and ask them just to run and run, and fight against defenders.   There’s 0 creativity in Mexico.  Terrible players, but also a terrorist coach. 


ImRetrospective

The only thing that makes him a terrorist coach is how badly he bombed in the Copa America


Able-Detective-5650

Typo Meant terrible. 


ernie5353

I dont think it was a typo lol


Able-Detective-5650

He’s bad, but definitely not a terrorist 😬


Daaneskjold

Antuna baffles me. he is only quick but that gets lost with his bad touches and inability to hit the ball with a modicum of accuracy. i was so thankful when he left Chivas but for him to be called to the national team and then be put into game states where he can not run like crazy beats me.


27-12

And the fact that he was one of the best players in the past season tells a lot about our League level and football level in general


Daaneskjold

Fr the generation is scuffed


MaTrazz550

I find it hard not to blame the tactics because both Santi and Quiñones are decent players


Excellent-Archer-238

Quiñones is really good, tbh. Should have played up forward along with Santi and play Huerta or Vega as LW


alex98012

Never been a big fan of him but they also play him as a winger which he clearly isn’t


ants88k

They all suck the whole team is ass


NarcissisticVamp

He plays winger for America.


alex98012

Yeah and he didn’t do much there because of that


WetBurrito10

So what position does he play in America?


salazar13

No he doesn’t. He’s actually an Al-Qadsiah Football Club legend


NarcissisticVamp

Lmfao true


guajarlg

Only bc Diego Valdez and Henry Martin play more centrally and have no way of playing on the wing. He’s not a real winger and it became very apparent this copa America.


Utrippin93

This last season of liga Mx


gameboyap

I’m not a fan that he played winger… it was the opportunity for: #PIOJO ALVARADO


Redditdarkmod

Are you forgetting who owns the national team


Elgransancho4

Same owners who left their best 9 out ? Make it make sense


Abject-Bug-5518

alv como chillan


vmaxnuggets

Ya gonzalo


HEL-O_NS

He threw better crosses than antuna


vaashh

Lowest of bars. Antuna might be the sorriest mfer to start for Mexico


Passw0rd-Is-Tac0

Charly Rodríguez would like a word. At least Antuna is responsible for a few goals.


M0RNINGGSTARR

vs cuba


yorgee15

And Germany


Dangerous_Steak936

Fax and he almost scored a banger agaisnt ecuador


Hallopy

Dude jajaja, mi mamá sin una pierna manda mejores centros que Antuna.


tnahardy

He was ass for a lot of the game but had the best shot


pfb253

Best crosses came from him too


ragnarrmb

Yup the missed header from chino


M0RNINGGSTARR

the 2 crosses he gave the whole time


roc9090

Ain’t no way. We’re hitting new lows if having the “best shot” is defining a game for players 😭


yeezy805

Should’ve played 2 striker formation with him and Santi/memo upfront


Comeandsee213

Thank you. Dude can create down the middle


Ok-Tomatoo

That's what everyone has been saying in sports commentators


TheOvercookedFlyer

No way he's a bum. His shot was the best one shot on goal Mexico had all of this game.


Notdumbjustslow

He did better than most of the players out there. It’s not his fault he’s playing with puro tronco a la verga.


gerald661

Op is Quiñones biggest hater. It makes sence since Quiñones scored the winning goal against Tigre’s and caused the red on Fulgencio 💀


TheGoldenGummy

He couldn’t cut it in tigres and had two bicampeonatos that were given to him..besides the copa what has he done for Mexico? One goal against Panama ?💀


Eagle7546_

You thought you was cooking with this one huh


MexicanBeatle

LMAO “Si., tiene 2 bicampeonatos pero……”


HEL-O_NS

Puro pinche ancianos en tigres jaja hasta la banca del ame gano hoy contra los titulares de chiquitigres. Quiño sería titular fácil. 😂😂


Rev-10

Oh fuck off, this twat made more plays than Santi has.


ElYams

A winger making more plays than a striker is the norm, like no shit dude, that's Jimmy's whole system and it clearly doesn't work. Y'all need to chill and stop unnecessary comparisons between players who played like shit on a team that's shit on all fronts. Witch hunting like this won't solve anything. They're both equally responsible.


GordaDe4Patas

This is why I call out anytime people try to pull the “but Henry didn’t get any service and you all shit on him” because Henry never played has a full 9 under Jimmy. The man’s job was to assist the wings. That system worked against a Panama but ofc didn’t work for the US. After the game against the US, jimmy did not change his shit system and only brought in Quiñones and Santi in to be in the place of Chucky and Henry. He brought in a 9 to play in a system that doesn’t benefit a 9 while also playing players out of position like Quiñones. 


Rev-10

You would be right but fucking Memote everytime with less time is producing more than Santi. Admit it, Santi, ain't shit rn, y'all still riding that Copa Oro goal-


ElYams

What the fuck are you even saying? I literally just implied Santi was ass too. Also, in regards to Memote, if you were talking about performance, I'd say that's subjective and fair to say he was better than Santi. But production? They both had literally the same numbers = 0 GOALS. Does Santi need to do better? Absolutely. He's nowhere near his best level. But so does Quiñones, and so does literally every other player on this squad. Your whataboutism is ridiculous and is just as helpful as throwing a rock at a wall.


OsitoPandito

I don't think Santi is great but the dude is a poacher, and poachers need serviceable balls crossed in order to score. Yet he doesn't receive those, and the few he got he missed. What I'm saying, everything needs to get better. Santi alone is not the problem.


TheGoldenGummy

He also lost a lot of balls. I remember Chucky Lozano being the same way and everyone shat on him for it. The America bias quinones has is crazy


JoaoCoochinho

Would rather have seen Chucky play.


Laguaca93

Bullshit como le llovian mentadas a chucky y que vive del gol vs germany vayanse a comer mierda


fjsenfr43nr34

El chucky es mucho mejor que Antuna, Huerta, y Vega.


c00larrow

Tiene el ego más grande que esos 3 juntos también.


Laguaca93

Tu y la mayoria de este foro tienen el ego mas grande dicen que apoyan pero solo tiran mala vibra vayanse a comer mierda todos


c00larrow

Chúpamela. Tu y el Chucky


Laguaca93

Pudrete alv


c00larrow

CTM


Laguaca93

No existe


c00larrow

De todos modos


NFLisNotRealFootball

Y sí, nada habría cambiado con Chucky


SadPollution8260

chucky lost his x factor, he never looks dangerous


WetBurrito10

Bro. In case you didn’t realize… the whole team was shit.


WhereIsScotty

This is the only tournament he will play with Mexico. He’s done in Saudi


Ender_Knowss

Doubt it. Saudi has a comparable league level to Liga MX


wewereddit

He wasn't the problem lmao


taliWock

Idk maybe don’t play him as a winger nd let him play behind Santi but nah


Ok-Tomatoo

Gotta ask why jimmy never tried to change anything


Odd-Bad5776

dead ass had the best strike of the game. fuck you talking about?


TheGoldenGummy

You right bro, cause he had the best strike of the game we got the 3 points and advance to the quarter finals. My fault g


Odd-Bad5776

bro, in a team of average players, quinones is the least of our problems.


sorryimafatass

Quinones lost the ball more than anyone else on either team in all 3 games but he had a good shot. Give me a fucking break hahaha nobody is free from criticism on this team


Odd-Bad5776

yep, preciado got the better of him no doubt. but to say he is a bum that shouldnt see be on the team is one of the dumbest takes out there.


sorryimafatass

Why? He's born and raised in Colombia and now he's fucking off to the middle east the first chance he got. We don't need him at all it's embarrassing to have him there. Plus he still hasn't had a good game for Mexico after an entire year


Odd-Bad5776

not this dumb shit again. he's a mexican citizen and one of our better players. yes, he should continue to be called.


riko_suabae

👏🏼


sorryimafatass

Out of all the naturalizados only Sinha has played well. You can't act like that isn't a trend. There's a reason Colombia didn't want him and now he has people defending him despite the fact that he has never played well for us. Amazing.


Odd-Bad5776

he's a good player and had good tournament imo. you dont rate him? thats fine i dont care lol. but we are not in a position to stop calling him in the same way that you cant stop calling santi cause he's been poor for the national team so far. it aint rocket science, my guy.


sorryimafatass

If he's not there to elevate us then what do we need him for? Wasn't that always the reasoning behind extranjeros? They are so good we desperately need them to cover a position that we're weak in and yet he didn't do anything that Lainez couldn't have done. It's not about whether I rate him or not. The fact is he was terrible in every game and will continue to be because he doesn't fit into the team at all. In fact, I think you're only defending him because he's an extranjero. If Alexis played like that NOBODY would defend him


ElZany

What did Santi do again? 1 strike is better than none


zombtachi_uchiha

we need CR7 body type playahs... que coman mas tacos ...pero no tanto como el Borracho Vega


gerald661

Where are Tigre’s players at? Talking all that shit and they lost against ame today 🤣 full starting team and couldn’t beat ame


TheGoldenGummy

Tigres didn’t have all starters and I guarantee Ozziel Cordova and a fit lainez would have done more than quinones bum ass


jakexh

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Gilbertcartier

Venezuela secret agent


BadassBokoblinPsycho

I thought bro was born in Colombia


adolfoescobarp

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


3rdman3

CONMEBOL agent


eljoker24

the best player on the national team rn and y’all r blaming him lmfao u guys don’t know shit really


gamebred05

Way better than Antuna


fjsenfr43nr34

I wanted him to play as a false 9. With Vega and Piojo on the wings


DestinedC

Don't call him a bum when he has more goals for Mexico than Santi


MaTrazz550

He doesn't 🤨


gerald661

He had the best shot and gave chino like 3 clear crosses y’all are dumb af.


_gloriousdead222

Eh did better than antuna and your guys savior santi 


PhD_candidat3

Absolutely man, santi didn’t do shit, total waste of space


StoicPistolero

That or have a 27 year old doing the same thing. Might as well have the youngsters earn experience.


StoicPistolero

Take it back 23 year old vs 31 years old Martin.


PhD_candidat3

Umm yea I think Henry Martin is also a waste of space 😂


Darh_Morlo

No creo que sea todo su culpa, Jimmy lo puso en una posición donde no es natural


ChillyWilly1968

You are talking about the wrong person the coach is at fault for not putting his players in a position where they can complement each other. Jimmy clearly doesn’t have the balls to take chances. He is the sole responsible for calling up his team. You have youth talented players why didn’t he play them


-_OniGir_-

Our fullbacks had better dribbling and beat their 1v1 more then this tronquiñones also all he was pass back. Get ready to learn Arabic buddy cause you literally heading there 🤣🤣


vaashh

Dude has been washed since before he left atlas


Formal_Job3304

Nahh chill


Common-Resolve3985

Why talk about any player bro they are all fucking shit . Quit being racist mamon. All of them are trash all. We scraped the barrel and we might as well put in our tios after a shot of tequila at least it would be entertaining.


urdudlesbian

Where was bro racist?


mithrvs

What else you wanna call him? Just say it already


sorryimafatass

Quinones defenders want to keep making it about race so bad. In reality he lost the ball more than anyone else on either team in all 3 games lol


mithrvs

The racist fans who made monkey noises at him in the Akron made it about race. the racist fans who called him monkey over a stupid penalty made it about race. He was subpar but so was the rest of the NT. He’s been the most singled out player this tournament for some reason tho. Idk why, maybe ask those fans in the Akron idk


J_Harden13

They think they are Eurotapatios in Jalisco smh


ElHomie20

He's ass. He doesn't want to call him anything else. Stop projecting lol


mithrvs

I don’t have to project anything, racist ass mexican fans already shown what they feel about him. First Chivas fans making monkey noises at him TWICE. Now mexico fans solely blaming him for this elimination like cmon lol


TXCapita

clown shit not to call up Chucky and this guy showed why, we had no LW


jcwkings

He's a CF playing behind another one ideally. Not a winger, not his fault he was played out of position.


Character-Fee407

Should have stayed in atlas he gotten lazy playing for televisa and everything handed to him


-Galactus-

Wilos real quiet but if a chivas player caused it there’s be mad memes and mierda talking in here 😂.


mithrvs

Caused it?? Orbelin missed a penalty, Santi missed clear opportunities that were created by Julian?


LOS_Prime

He caused the pen last game. All players are ass


Ender_Knowss

He was made to come back and defend when he isn’t a defender? At least pretend to know a single thing about fútbol. Damn the ignorance.


Bruh360k

Your player got us in this shitty position where we had to beat ecuador


Mllns

https://preview.redd.it/81sboy6zet9d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03b8a3257dd49b71d8cd8ad99ff0d2d0f2e2418c


Redditdarkmod

Mi goat


sorryimafatass

They're the biggest babies in the world. Cannot handle any kind of criticism


Abject-Bug-5518

jajajaja muerdete la lengua chillahermano un poco de introspeccion les vendria bien


Slurms_McKenzie775

He has moments of quality but there are too many times where he kills an attack by just slowing things down.


ProfeMan34

Idiots blame the players...blame the Liga mx Federacion Owners Teams ...then players Pendejos


runjavi

I don’t know, but the mods here are a bunch of Edgar cunts. They keep this post but deleted mine multiple times lol. How does this not get tagged as better suited for the match thread??


Utrippin93

He suuuucks in that position and cost us a pen against Ven


fravil4

He sent the best cross all game to Chino Huerta, but Huerta didn’t know how to header.


StrongStyleDragon

He’s been out of form for awhile. Kinda shocked he got the Saudi deal.


clone_trooper_

Always been a bum even in his debut for Mexico he missed some clear chances


IndyFiveHunnit

This is our golden trash bag in the pile of shit bags that is our team. He was the only one who played with intent.


Mx_Femenil

Should be 4-2-4 put Santi & Quiñones, pojo left and Vega on the opposite, Edson and Romo/ cortizo and the defense the same unless Julian Alvarez is health then switch for Jorge !


Jonesmak

He should be up top


Artuleo

He joins a long list of naturalizados that have accomplished absolutely nothing * Gabriel Caballero * Sinha * Guille Franco * Matias Vuoso * Darwin Quintero * Funes Mori * Chaco Gimenez * Santi Gimenez I'm ure i missed some. Jesus this is just sad....


gussjaw

He's not a winger, also he always went down to support Arteaga in defense, that's Jimmy's fault, not putting him in where he shines.


mbecerra28

OP is just mad he scored on them in the final


DawnofMidnight7

Americanistas said this man would save the team 😂


vaashh

Yea Save them from Argentina by gifting that penalty lmao


Messiuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

What does he even do


Oneup99

Win a final against Cruz azul earlier in the year. Just that.


Messiuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Orale 🤙


Dempsey-Roll

Found Santi much worse


randomboi91

If he really had to take one out to bring the fucking tuna man, he should’ve taken this dude out. Chino was way more involved than julian


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randomboi91

He was involved a lot more than quinones.


aleri42

Three centros this game that Santi and Chino wasted. I don’t see any other winger with more creativity.


margalolwut

Bruh you think Santi is ass? Imagine if they played em on the wing. Thats exactly how they did quiñones


El_gato_picante

Tigres es un equipo chico. lol


ehhric13

Ppl really defending this guy? 🤡🤡 he's been bad for a while


ThaOldSkool

He got the ball robbed from him so many times. He got pocketed hard. Call me a hater, but it's true.


lffg18

I don’t think he’s much to blame, should’ve played 4-4-2 from the start with this dude playing second striker off Santi. Anyway this should be his last tournament ever with Mexico because we shouldn’t be calling players that choose the bag over true professional development, nothing wrong with getting the bag but only people with desire to improve and play at the top level should be taken in consideration for the NT.


Ok-Tomatoo

Better players in Saudi League compared to Liga MX


lffg18

The Europeans that went there are good but the average Saudi league player wouldn’t even sniff a start at the shittiest liga Mx side


el_jaguar__

He’s shit. Never call this bum up again


sorryimafatass

Absolutely terrible all tournament. We twerk so hard for these naturalizados and they never work. https://www.reddit.com/r/LigaMX/comments/17ru4cf/julian_qui%C3%B1ones_commitment_to_the_mexican/ People really thought he was going to make the difference too


Yourlocaltroll34

He’s not a FUCKING WINGER with las wilas he plays behind el tronco de Henry Martin…this is why the 4-2-3-1 formation makes more sense for Mexican nt .. el chino Huerta also played out of position he’s normally a LW or CF behind the striker… jimmy died with the 4-3-3 formation…


SorryDepartment7179

Scored two goals in our warmup matches but did fuck all in Copa America. Columbia can have him back. At least send us a good player


Irelabentplib

Yeah bro is too predictable every time he got the ball just cut in, he is like antuna with his fintas and he's technically mid he has worse ball control than even johan, but he's fast and can be good if the rest of the team was faster on the counter, he could be a monster, but we're really slow. He is good for Liga mx but it makes sense why Colombia didn't call him up. You also gotta consider the fact he's the most consistent (naturally right footed) player on the left though Vega can have his off days and Marcelo is untested.


arf3k

Vega y el piojo, vienen de uno de sus mejores torneos. A uno lo metes cuando faltan 8 minutos y al otro ni a calentar lo mandas, pero a este pendejo lo tienes de titular, cuando ha demostrado que no hace diferencia alguna.


disruptor_12-4

I’m sure chino takes the cake


TheCourier13

Ojalá ya se largue a Arabia y nunca vuelva, no es mexicano y le quita un espacio a un joven que si lo es. Lo mismo para Santi. Ya me tienen hasta la vrga ver a cabrones naturalizados qué en sus países valen berga y vienen aquí a quitar espacios a los nacionales.


Oneup99

Ah caray, a quién le quita el lugar? Marcelino?


TheCourier13

Ya llego el wilo a defenderlo


ynwa18

Your football IQ is low my guy. He’s the only one that put in dangerous centros ALL tournament. He’s playing out of position and also gave the most effort, energy, shot on goal today that, created danger AND tries to help in defense.


Elgransancho4

OP did a racism. Nah fr this ain’t it, you ask him to play winger and then have him on the same side as Arteaga ? Who can’t decide if he should defend or attack first ? Make him tuck in next to Santi like he does with Henry.


TheGoldenGummy

Race was not mentioned at all in my post. Stop playing the race card to justify his terrible performance


Elgransancho4

That’s racism, man. I love to racism bro Eres de Tigre’s we, allí tienes algo contra Julián.


Ender_Knowss

Hahahah Santi dick riders deflecting with Quiñones even though he was clearly the best up front, had the most dangerous, provided decent enough crosses. Since Henry is not available to be scapegoated, let’s dick ride Santi by shitting on Quiñones. Ridiculous


Over_Yellow5039

As an America fan I never really liked how he plays can’t dribble to save his life.


gerald661

Fake ass fan


DerSoria

Haha I love this sub keep on making more half assed statements!


NFLisNotRealFootball

Otro fantasma. Nomás sabe meterle gol al Mazatlán y al Puebla


glowy_keyboard

Quítenle la nacionalidad. De seguro ya hasta está aplicando para volverse árabe


Equal-Signal8155

Televisa and America fans chocked on his meat he’s fucken ass


Clt-vr-9931

Came for few good games then dip https://preview.redd.it/d6xyx04hft9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e826fad6d4d2a4d7fa96cc3920c0b872882b246b


The_Hound_23

Him along with Chavez. They did nothing


xwxcda

Negro