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Fun_Effective_5134

Legit every time someone tries to explain it always ends with Gojo being stupid.


BochoJutsu

Don't you see the sparks of cursed energy, DODGE!? Nuh uh Why the fuck aren't you buffing yourself as much as possible with binding vow, this is a battle that determines the world? Nuh uh So only Sukuna can abuse binding vow? Duh


Diavolo_Death_4444

Buffing yourself out the ass with binding vows isn’t a good idea. They’re binding, you can’t take them back if suddenly you need what you just sacrificed. For Gojo to gain something truly meaningful (and he’d have to gain something decent, considering he’s fighting Sukuna) he’d have to make a hefty sacrifice. Sukuna (if he used a vow at all) did the smart thing and waited until his binding vow was a win con and until he genuinely needed one.


4692690

You can. Gege has literally said that if you make a binding vow with yourself you can quit it and you only lose whatever you gained. He made an example of Nanami's 120% after work binding vow and that if he ended it in the middle of work to go from 80% to 100% he'd still probably get like 102% back.


BochoJutsu

And? He didn't truly put everything in the line which resulted in his loss and the death of many people. A sore loser with no excuse whatsoever. If he needed to die to beat Sukuna then so fucking be it. Stake your life for the world. And to begin with, he didn't even need a binding vow to fucking win, all he needed to do was not be blind AF Don't call that fraud smart, he literally had to rely on a secondary power system that lies beyond what the conventional binding vow can do.


72020217

If you were brain damaged, fighting Megumi’s stepdad, and Sukuna would you be focusing on some silly little sparks?


No_Comparison_7202

Yes because that's how you know he's using??


Doctrinair

did you read the image op posted


carl-the-lama

Didn’t someone point out that the part of the brain linked to vision was fucked a little for Gojo?


absolutelad_jr

Nah he was saying that he keeps damaging it and rehealing it with RCT and its worked for him since his days at jujutsu high so I don't believe that's the problem


carl-the-lama

Idk, he was focused on healing his domain for a while and raw fighting output Might have gotten sloppy since he was high as fuck


norman_49122

Not exactly. He's been healing his brain since back when, but he hasn't been damaging it. He uses RCT that way his brain doesn't overload from using his Infinity almost constantly. The Sukuna fight was the first time he actually burned away parts of his brain with CE in order to reset his CT after expanding his domain, because the technique burns away for a period of time. They (the rest of the cast) state that it was likely a shot in the dark whether it would actually work not. At least to what I understand, of course.


absolutelad_jr

I could have sworn he mentioned damaging it first to geto and shoko, but ok


MadaraAlucard12

And sukuna can not only see the spark of cursed energy bit observe the mahoraga slash with enough precision to replicate it while bleeding out of his fucking eyes? It seems sukuna has 12 eyes compared to Gojo's six.


carl-the-lama

Maybe it’s a different kind of skill Sukuna knows his own technique if you feel me?


MadaraAlucard12

He also saw the sparks of Gojo launching red with such precision that was able to discern that it wasn't purple. It is simply gege locking himself and not knowing how to kill gojo onscreen. This entire argument wouldn't have been needed if he showed the events between 235 and 236 onscreen.


RiriJori

I don't know why you Gojo fans are surprised by the tenacity and skill of Sukuna. In JJK lore, Heian era was the peak of sorcery. The strongest and mightiest of Cursed Spirits and Socerers all lived in that era. In that era, everyone was after the head of Sukuna and Sukuna buried them all 6 feet underground. Gojo might be the strongest in his era, but who knows when Gojo is put on the Heian era his caliber might be just someone above average.


Doomie_bloomers

That's absolutely besides the point. Gojo went out like a bum, due to the off screen. Especially right after he had essentially won. And now the last 4-5 chapters have all shown that the World Slash does not in fact instantly travel and is dodgeable. Gojo was apparently just an idiot, who tried to face tank succies technique, knowing damn well that Maho beat infinity twice, and Sukuna is a Jujutsu genius.


norman_49122

My personal explanation has always been this. No one has ever defeated his infinity before. Jogo and Hanami had to push through it (at least that's what they show, possible that it was sped up.) When Mahoraga cut off Gojo's arm, it was a distance slash, but Mahoraga's CE had already adapted to Gojo's infinity. Is it not possible that Sukuna was the only one who knew that Mahoraga had expanded the target of his slash. The world cutting dismantle also isn't stated to need the cursed chant. Just the hand signs. So when Sukuna was going to let off his slash, it really was just another dismantle. Even if a broader attack zone, why would Gojo assume that he can bypass his infinity? It wasn't Sukuna that adapted to infinity but Mahoraga. And Mahoraga is gone. There isn't much of a reason for Gojo to be wary of another slash. I also like to assume that Sukuna also didn't know if it would work. But no the best explanation is Gege was unaware of how to kill Gojo.


Doomie_bloomers

Oh yeah, I also headcanon the whole thing as "Gojo got cocky", but at the same time: why? We have a lot of shows during the fight that he's very aware of how it could turn out, and that he doesn't really play around but is on full throttle. I guess you could argue it's the same thing as with Sukuna getting jumped by Maki, but that's the issue here: it's still all headcanon. We have no idea why he didn't dodge the attack. We just headcanon it this way, because it makes the most sense to us, but that doesn't change the fact that Gojo went out like a bum. Especially to others who subscribe to other headcanons, that could be equally as valid. Honestly, as much as I still enjoy JJK (apart from the last 2-3 chapters), 235-236 was just straight up bad writing on Gege's end. And you're most likely 100% spot on with your last sentence.


norman_49122

Oh I definitely agree it'd have been better to see some on screen stuff. >but at the same time: why? He was cocky throughout the match when it fit him too. Insults, that time he took Agito's hit just so he could rub it in that it was weaker than the rest of them. He was very wary throughout the fight, but only when it mattered. After Mahoraga took the inviolability, he started fighting very seriously. And he was trying hard at the beginning because Sukuna had a domain open, negating the infinity. No Mahoraga, no domain, no worries.


Old_Maintenance8747

Yes Sukuna > Gojo


Top_Dingo4695

Have you ever considered this explaination:Gojo got so far due to having Toji's clothes, making Gege think it's Toji vs Sukuna, but Gojo lost the moment his shirt was ripped, instantly offscreening him.


AnatomicalLog

Gojo’s had like, one tough fight in his life, and that was before learning how to automate Infinity, Domain Expansion, and Purple. Maybe he just got too cocky and let his guard down at a moment he thought victory was secured. He also seldom has to dodge anything because of infinity. Standing still is often what he does.


Fun_Effective_5134

AKA he is stupid.


AnatomicalLog

AKA he’s not omniscient and did not know Sukuna would analyze Mahoraga’s technique to bypass infinity, so he didn’t alter his behavior based on knowledge he didn’t have. But sure, “stupid”


Thin_Contribution416

Dude is literally born as the final hope of humanity and still fumbled due to plot. And he would have seen the spark thanks to his six eyes and saw it looked exactly like the spark that Maho produced before cutting his arm off


toastmoos

kusakabe really helps to prove that gojo should not have died


BochoJutsu

Kusakabe never dodged a world slash but he did parry a few dismantles that Gojou apparently couldn't react to 😔


toastmoos

I'm talking about when he explained how he was doing it, but if he didn't get offscreen, he would have 100%


norman_49122

Except that Mahoraga used it's own CE to adapt to and neutralize Gojo's Infinity. So whether the slash was thrown or not, it's still Mahoraga that had adapted to infinity. Not Sukuna. Sukuna was using the timeframes when Mahoraga neutralized the infinity in order to hit Gojo. Once Mahoraga is gone, there is no reason to assume anything can bypass infinity. It's very possible that the whole "He extended the target" was something known only to Sukuna because, well, it is his technique.


SignificantBat1533

>And he would have seen the spark thanks to his six eyes and saw it looked exactly like the spark that Maho produced before cutting his arm off He couldn't dodge mahoraga slash either, so him seeing it doesn't mean it wasn't going to kill him regardless.


Thin_Contribution416

He couldn’t dodge the Maho due to not expecting it to harm him but now he has already seen that technique and knows to dodge it


SignificantBat1533

>He couldn’t dodge the Maho due to not expecting it to harm him but now he has already seen that technique and knows to dodge it But it's the same with sukuna, how would he have known the slash would harm him if it was sukuna's first time using it so why would he need to dodge an attack he's never seen Sukuna use if he couldn't with mahoraga?


Doctrinair

cs spark, you literally replied to the comment mentioning how he would dodge it


RiriJori

Correct. And to think Gojo fans are scaling Gojo on Sukuna level? The same Sukuna who had to live everyday in Heian era( the peak of Sorcery world) where everyday someone is trying to kill him be it fair or underhanded and he all defeated them. Gojo lived a life of no threats at all. Sukuna is a seasoned warrior through and through.,


somemeatball

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Odd_Duty520

Lobotomy only applies to gojo apparently


TheImposterPanda

Sukuna Fan would also say that thats why it makes sense. They say sukuna is just so much more powerful then gojo that brain bleeding dosnt effect him unlike gojo :,)


ok-buddyASTRO

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imhere2downvote

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0ijoske

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Ok-Most5787

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RemarkableJaguar6948

Gege: Sukuna’s been holding back this entire time! Sukuna: suffers brain damage from using too much CE when fighting against Gojo


8bit_flower

It's because Sukuna is Gege's pookie bear


ThisIsMyPassword100

I’m guessing him “holding back” meant he wasn’t going all out in his Domain Clashes. The only two abilities he had to bypass Infinity were DE and World Slash (only has because of 10S). Since Gojo said he could have won without 10S, it must mean he could have won a Domain Clash if he was fully trying. He wasn’t expecting repeated DE to fry his brain, which is why he wasn’t going all out. After he realized he couldn’t use Domain, he was likely going full power in order to develop the World Slash.


Weird_Lengthiness947

Him holding back means he couldn’t use any of his other techniques because otherwise he wouldn’t have been able to get the world slash. It doesn’t mean any of his other techniques would have done anything against infinity just that he was limited in what he could use.


carl-the-lama

Sukuna “held back” because his other moves do nothing against gojo’s op barrier


Avrangor

Yes however Sukuna doesn’t use his true form and does not land a black flash. It makes sense for him to preserve his strength since he would get jumped by the whole JJK cast later.


Apprehensive_Ring_39

We literally see him easily wrecking the main cast later on,so him holding back makes no sense.


Ayobossman326

“Binding vow” really becoming the “only ymir knows” of jjk


peterrpumpkineater69

real


BmanPlayz468

I still think Kusakabe’s explanation is correct, which is that Sukuna used something in a binding vow to instantly use the world slash.


NorthGodFan

But even when he does that there's a spark for Kusakabe to read.


Neo_Arsonist

Sukuna never used a binding vow world slash, and when he tried to use a chant one he literally warned Kusakabe and Kusakabe did the equivalent of interrupting him mid animation with simple domain to stop him.


BmanPlayz468

Kusakabe was deflecting normal dismantles, not an attack that basically spawns out of thin air. Imagine if that dismantle that Sukuna fired at Kusakabe without any motion was a world slash. He would be beyond dead.


NorthGodFan

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Exciting-Conclusion8

But the thing is he NEEDS To do hands sights and chant to do world slash. In jjk restrictions = power so he can do dismantle without hand signs but it’s power is greatly diminished (imagine a move in a fighting game that gets stronger when you charge it)


BmanPlayz468

It was directly stated by Kusakabe that Sukuna could have potentially used a binding vow to cast it without hand signs.


Exciting-Conclusion8

Well in that case Sakuna would have had to make a more restrictive vow. Some people theorised that he got rid of his black box technique or the 10S to do that but we don’t know


22222833333577

Nah it was actually part of a 5d chess plan gojo realized he wasn't strong enough to finish sukuna yet then he remembered last time he died he woke up like 20x stronger so he decided to just do it again


Artistic-Cannibalism

It is honestly remarkable just how that moment makes less and less and less sense with every new chapter. There is a very, very real possibility that the series will end before we get an answer. And if that happens, I think we should take it as an admission from Gege that even he doesn't have an answer... That the reason why it feels like a page is messing is because he couldn't think of anything he could write on that page to justify the result he wanted, so he just skipped it. I really do hope I'm wrong. I want to be able to look back and laugh at myself for doubting him... But every new chapter only deepens my suspicions.


Independent_Flashy

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DeepVoid69

Gojo was suffering from blood loss more than Sukuna because of his boner


ThaEarthquake

My takeaway is these mf readers are more lobotomized than Gojo or Sukuna in this fight. Everyone seems to ignore the fact he just took his own HP head on. While his CE negated some damage he still had to recover.


Lusty-Jove

Sukuna took way more damage than Gojo from the HP so he should’ve been in worse shape to attack than Gojo was to defend


Nozzer21

Quick question, how was Gojo meant to discern the difference between an empowered dismantle and the world dismantle? Especially since he had limitless active, why would he bother dodging something that wouldn’t hit?


Lusty-Jove

Probably the same way that Kusukabe did in the latest chapter + Six Eyes


omyrubbernen

Kusakabe discerned the difference because Sukuna said out loud that the next one would hit him, and because Kusakabe knew that Sukuna had it in his pocket. Also, world slash is technique designed specifically to defeat Gojo. I feel like it's common sense to assume that if Mahoraga, who can adapt to any phenomenon, creates a literal anti-Gojo technique, the technique would have to slip under the Six Eyes's radar.


Lusty-Jove

Great headcanon but no way to prove it and therein lies the issue


omyrubbernen

Mahoraga adapting is headcanon?


Lusty-Jove

No, the world slash specifically being formulated to bypass the Six Eyes’ perception, and Sukuna being able to replicate that aspect of it, is


omyrubbernen

And your headcanon that Mahoraga arbitrarily decided to only adapt to half of Gojo's kit despite being able to adapt to any and all phenomena makes more sense?


Lusty-Jove

One of us is arguing for something being true despite it not being mentioned in the story, the other of us is saying that that explanation is at best a decent guess that is impossible to confirm. Yes, my position makes more sense inherently


CorilX

Cuz gojo thought infinity could block normal slashes, and didn’t know about world cutting slash.


Odd_Duty520

Subsequent manga chapters clarified that sukuna had to chant for the world slash which made it an obvious tell. Either that or he had to make a binding vow to sacrifice something. The first one means gojo was an idiot for standing there and taking it when sukuna is chanting for the first time during the fight. The second means that the writer is purposefully obfuscating the reason for the death to the audience.


LoginLogin777

Like gojo had so many options. From teleporting to just moving aside. And he chose to stand still


RahulS2803

The real answer is because Gege didnt wanted him to dodge. Gege just made the goat too powerful so he had to pull something out of his ass to kill him.


TimTam_Tom

Considering in the most recent chapter we learned that Sukuna can use dismantle without any movement, I’m thinking (and hoping lol) Gege is working on a gradual reveal for how Gojo lost throughout the course of this gauntlet


Cirno090

It just goes to show you how awesome Sukuna is


Puddingnepp

It is literally explained both in the chapter and later on. kamutoke is the only real plot armor.


coffemixokay

What chapter is this i haven't read the manga


Ash_Clover

What's a manga? I thought this was a light novel promotional pic?


shiz-kray-z

230


Barry_Bone_Raiser

This post was made out of rage


somemeatball

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SpitInFace

Never heard someone say something similar


NonameNinja_

Those two arguments probably don't come out of the same person's mouth


Emergency-Actuary-3

You HAVE to realze they MUST bring up high fast Sukuna applies intelligence and adapts also


Old_Maintenance8747

Gojo fans mindbroken as usual


MakisYujiPicsStache

Ngl Gojo deserve it, didn't my mans get buffed by utahime and hit two black flashes? Bro's been too lucky for its own merit


somemeatball

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