Sukuna: Ultra Sweat tryhard who abuses the meta and uses any exploits in the game shamelessly.
Gojo: that weird guy whoās just stupidly good at the game even though he only plays like twice a week
Fraudkuna: F it we binding vow
goatjo:
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Is the image supposed to have something behind all the red?
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RED IS THAT A LIMITLESS REFERENMCE?????
GOJO CONFIRMED RETURN IN 260!!!!!
You can think Sukuna as the player character and Gojo as the final dungeon boss.
Despite all his cocky talkings, Sukuna is a very pragmatic fighter. He do whatever shameless thing he needs to win.
Makes sense. You'll never get at the very top by playing fair. Just look at successful politicians, most of them are cheating and backstabbing lowlifes.
Gojo's character sheet literally had 'invincible unless you complete quest Megumi and TS and use item M in the fight and you can auto win if you survive five nights at ~~Freddys's~~ Shinjuku' on it.
I can not blame Sukuna for trying. He is the strongest because he is the smartest.
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I can't tell if I'm tweaking or the guy is stupid
Isnt it kinda pathetic that Gojo went in blind staking Juju high, when Yuta and Yuji can showcase Sukuna's ultra basic CT.
Yuji knows Sukuna's whole kit, Shrine, MS, Fuga, Choso knows about open domain, there is a for dummies zenin manuel for 10s.
That's gojos entire character tho. He knew sakuna would be the toughest opponent he has faced yet but since gojo got used to being so much stronger than anyone else he never realized he has a chance of losing the fight. That's why he said "nah , I'd win" , because he genuinely never even thought he can lose
His arrogance killed him
Sukana and Gojo glaziers are an annoying breed but actually sitting down and talking about the fight and who was close to legitimately losing is a nice change.
Yeah Sukuna glazers be like Heian Sukuna would shit on Gojo meanwhile Sukuna making a 200+ chapter plan to get Megumis body for 10 shadows. Not only that i am sure Sukunas knows his abilities better than all the glazers and he decided to get Megumi because he knew he aint beating Gojo. Megumi carried his ass.
So I'm going to copypaste an answer to you that I already gave a few other comments. Sorry incase that seems annoying and spammy, but I don't want to waste it on a single comment and just rephrase it with the same information to other comments.
1st. We have to lay down the basics.
-Sukuna didn't use DA because Mahoraga needed to adapt, and was therefore getting trounced in CQC.
-Sukuna didn't attack the inside of Gojo's Domain after Gojo reversed it's conditions, so that Mahoraga had a longer time to adapt. This was pointed out in part by Gojo himself.
-Mahoraga adapted via Megumi's soul. Megumi's soul wasn't protected against UV by MS, which means that the wheel wasn't really above Sukuna, it was above Megumi.
-Sukuna opened MS late against Gojo in their last clash, due to injuries he sustained by Gojo trouncing on him in CQC, and needed to heal.
Now, with the groundwork being covered, what does this tell us well...
1. Sukuna wasn't protected by UV by Megumi's soul like some assumed, he was protected by his own Domain. **He only needed Megumi to let Mahoraga adapt.**
2. He wouldn't need to hold MS up for 3 minutes, as with him attacking UV inside, it would collaps faster.
3. He wouldn't get trounced by Gojo in CQC. This would lead to him not being injured enough for MS to collapse before UV did, leading to him not getting hit by UV.
So, Sukuna and Gojo would begin their Domain battle. MS would destroy UV from the outside and the begining would be really exactly the same as in the actuall fight. But then Gojo would change the conditions of his Domain, he'll invert the durability of the outside and the inside. This would force Gojo and Sukuna to fight in CQC inside the Domain. But Sukuna would have activated DA and would actually be even with Gojo. He'll also attack the inside of UV, causing it to collapse sooner than 3 minutes, though he wouldn't have needed to as he would have lasted longer anyway. With UV destroyes 5 times, Gojo wouldn't be able to open his Domain anymore, while Sukuna casts a barrier around MS to trap Gojo and chip away at him until his RCT output dropped so low that MS could finish him.
Now, it could ofcourse go different than this with Gojo perhaps taking other decisions than he did in the actuall fight due to 10S not being present. Maybe Fuga might actually cone into play at the end when Sukuna basically won already. Idk. Just wanted to give an honest explanation.
Yeah but the thing is everything you said is just speculation of a fight that Gojo does this or that Sukuna does this or that and so Sukuna has a advantage thing. My point is that Sukuna had months and months to prepare he didnt had anything else to do. He also has a very good understanding of Gojos entire CT/arsenal he has seen him do everything not only from first hand experience through Yuji but even from Kenjaku who spent a 1000 years dealing with six eyes/limitless users. All the points you mentioned i am sure Sukuna knows about his abilities too he knows what he can or cant do and so Sukuna himself chose to not fight Gojo in his Heian era form and instead opted to go through all the trouble of aquiring 10 shadows with a 200+ chapter plan and went as far to make uncertain decisions and having Uraume and Kenjaku plan for this. So thats my point. Also you mentioned how Sukuna didnt do this/that which would have supposedly been way more effective than letting Mahoraga adapt i am sure if that was the case and if that was so easy Sukuna the 1000 year old greatest sorcerer in history would have surely realized and done that. He did the things he did and made the decision he made because that was the most effective/optimal things to do according to the greatest sorcerer in history.
I mean, Sukuna at most could only have planned it for 104-105 Chapters, as he only learned of Mahoraga in chapters 118-119, and the Gojo vs Sukuna fight began in chapter 223. Though I don't disagree with the fact that Sukuna choose the 10S route for a reason. I just disagree that that must mean that Sukuna had no other viable way to win. Maybe Sukuna made a mistake, maybe he viewed the 10S path as an oppertunity to possibly get stronger(Space Diasmantle), or maybe the 10S route was the better one for whatever reason. I don't know.
Edit: Ok, so I reread the fight again and I'm really, really confused. Gojo mentions that he's confused why Sukuna fights him with DA inside the Domain and not with 10S. But Sukuna mentions that while not using DA in the Domain, he let Megumi adapt for him. So there were times in the Domain when Sukuna didn't use DA, and when he did. And Megumi is apperantly not able to adapt when Sukuna is using DA aswell. But Gojo didn't mention Sukuna not using DA, which is confusing. It was also mentioned that Infinity took a few spins to be adapted to, and UV is much, much more complicated then Infinity. So Sukuna probably spend as much time as possible with DA deactivated to be able to adapt to it, but again, Gojo didn't notice this. Maybe Sukuna only had DA active when he was in CQC with Gojo, and that's why Gojo didn't know that he had it deactivated? But that would point to Gojo being better than Sukuna in CQC and MS therefore still collapsing in 3 minutes. But Sukuna didn't attack the inside of UV, so he could have done it and not have had to have lasted 3 minutes?
So from all this, my conclusion is that without 10S it would be a much more risky and less rewarding fight for Sukuna then without it. He would need to defend himself from Gojo for 3 minutes while simultaniously trying to attack the Domain. It could very well be possible that Sukuna manages to do that, but also that he doesn't manage to do that with Gojo laying down the heat on him. Simultaniously if he does succeed in removing UV while keeping MS, Gojo would still be a potential threat inside his Domain. But with 10S Gojo would much faster not becone a threat due to Mahoraga adapting to him, and Sukuna would also have the chance to learn something like Space Dismantle, but with only Shrine he wouldn't have had that oppertunity. It was still risky with 10S, but not as much as it would have been with only Shrine. So it would be a very high diff fight either way.
So what I'm saying is, it's complicated as fuck.
Bro was using DA the entire time. Gojo even expresses confusion as to why he was using DA instead of 10 shadows.
DA also doesn't make you stronger, it just canels out the CT, Gojo would still be stronger either way. In a world where he doesn't have two cursed techniques, it would play out the same way but he no longer has mahoraga to save him from the final UV. The fight ends there.
I never claimed that DA made you stronger. I said that he could compete with Gojo by using DA. Sukuna also said that he didn't use DA when he was letting Megumi adapt, which points to him juggling between the two since we saw him use DA aswell.
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This would lead to there bring oeriods of time where Sukuna was basically defensless against Gojo, leading to his heavy injuries.
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i think my guy would notice neutral infinity coming into effect if Sukuna ever turned off DA in their fights
Ok, so I reread the fight again and I'm really, really confused. Gojo mentions that he's confused why Sukuna fights him with DA inside the Domain and not with 10S. But Sukuna mentions that while not using DA in the Domain, he let Megumi adapt for him. So there were times in the Domain when Sukuna didn't use DA, and when he did. And Megumi is apperantly not able to adapt when Sukuna is using DA aswell. But Gojo didn't mention Sukuna not using DA, which is confusing. It was also mentioned that Infinity took a few spins to be adapted to, and UV is much, much more complicated then Infinity. So Sukuna probably spend as much time as possible with DA deactivated to be able to adapt to it, but again, Gojo didn't notice this. Maybe Sukuna only had DA active when he was in CQC with Gojo, and that's why Gojo didn't know that he had it deactivated? But that would point to Gojo being better than Sukuna in CQC and MS therefore still collapsing in 3 minutes. But Sukuna didn't attack the inside of UV, so he could have done it and not have had to have lasted 3 minutes?
So from all this, my conclusion is that without 10S it would be a much more risky and less rewarding fight for Sukuna then without it. He would need to defend himself from Gojo for 3 minutes while simultaniously trying to attack the Domain. It could very well be possible that Sukuna manages to do that, but also that he doesn't manage to do that with Gojo laying down the heat on him. Simultaniously if he does succeed in removing UV while keeping MS, Gojo would still be a potential threat inside his Domain. But with 10S Gojo would much faster not becone a threat due to Mahoraga adapting to him, and Sukuna would also have the chance to learn something like Space Dismantle, but with only Shrine he wouldn't have had that oppertunity. It was still risky with 10S, but not as much as it would have been with only Shrine. So it would be a very high diff fight either way.
So what I'm saying is, it's complicated as fuck.
I think the much more likely explanation is just that Sukuna didn't protect Megumi with DA. The sure hit effect wasn't being cancelled out on himself so he would have to have protected himself everytime with DA to not get insta KOed by UV.
Idk why Sukuna would even need to have DA turned off. The whole point is megumi is the one getting hit for adaptation, not Sukuna.
Sukuna would be dead the moment he turns off DA and gets hit with UV.
Didn't Sukuna protect himself via his surehit but left out Megumi to adapt, but DA would still need to be turned off for Megumi to do that? That's how I understood the whole thing at least.
Here's another image supporting that he can't use DA and adaption at the same time.
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I agree with you, but the times I have genuinely asked for someone to explain to me why Sukuna would win they ALWAYS say the same thing
"Ummm, Gojo said Sukuna is stronger bro, the author said so"
And when I ask "Okay but what IN THE STORY proves that?" they just call me a coping glazer
So I'm gonna copypaste this comment to a bunch of other comments as an explanation. Sorry to anyone who might feel like that's spammy or is annoyed by it, but I just don't want to spend a few hours creating different versons of the same comment. Sorry again.
I'm gonna actually explain to you then how Sukuna could have won without 10S.
1st. We have to lay down the basics.
-Sukuna didn't use DA because Mahoraga needed to adapt, and was therefore getting trounced in CQC.
-Sukuna didn't attack the inside of Gojo's Domain after Gojo reversed it's conditions, so that Mahoraga had a longer time to adapt. This was pointed out in part by Gojo himself.
-Mahoraga adapted via Megumi's soul. Megumi's soul wasn't protected against UV by MS, which means that the wheel wasn't really above Sukuna, it was above Megumi.
-Sukuna opened MS late against Gojo in their last clash, due to injuries he sustained by Gojo trouncing on him in CQC, and needed to heal.
Now, with the groundwork being covered, what does this tell us well...
1. Sukuna wasn't protected by UV by Megumi's soul like some assumed, he was protected by his own Domain. **He only needed Megumi to let Mahoraga adapt.**
2. He wouldn't need to hold MS up for 3 minutes, as with him attacking UV inside, it would collaps faster.
3. He wouldn't get trounced by Gojo in CQC. This would lead to him not being injured enough for MS to collapse before UV did, leading to him not getting hit by UV.
So, Sukuna and Gojo would begin their Domain battle. MS would destroy UV from the outside and the begining would be really exactly the same as in the actuall fight. But then Gojo would change the conditions of his Domain, he'll invert the durability of the outside and the inside. This would force Gojo and Sukuna to fight in CQC inside the Domain. But Sukuna would have activated DA and would actually be even with Gojo. He'll also attack the inside of UV, causing it to collapse sooner than 3 minutes, though he wouldn't have needed to as he would have lasted longer anyway. With UV destroyes 5 times, Gojo wouldn't be able to open his Domain anymore, while Sukuna casts a barrier around MS to trap Gojo and chip away at him until his RCT output dropped so low that MS could finish him.
Now, it could ofcourse go different than this with Gojo perhaps taking other decisions than he did in the actuall fight due to 10S not being present. Maybe Fuga might actually cone into play at the end when Sukuna basically won already. Idk. Just wanted to give an honest explanation.
Gojo likely had a plan for Sukuna trying to destroy his inverted barrier DE from the inside. It's clearly what he expected him to do. And Sukuna *was* using his DA while they were going hand to hand. Sukuna would either still have to turn off the effect inside Gojo's Domain to increase the power outside, leading to the same outcome, or turn off his DA to send slashes at the barrier from inside, which leaves him more vulnerable to Gojo's Blue enhanced punches, and was the move Gojo was expecting and likely had a plan to deal with.
No, we were told that he had to deactivate his DA to allow Mahoraga to adapt. He literally had to have it deactivated or his whole plan would not have worked. And while Gojo could potentially do something against Sukuna attacking his Domain from the inside, we don't know if he actually planned something or if it would have worked.
We were also explicitly told that while their sure-hit effects were canceling each other out, Sukuna had no choice but to use Domain Amplification to combat Limitless. And we don't actually know if the Adaptation stopping while DA is in use applies when the wheel is on Megumi's Soul and not Sukuna. He's able to use DE and DA at the same time, because he can still apply his CT to his Domain, just not himself. It's absolutely feasible to believe he can apply a Technique to Megumi and not himself and still use DA, and that assumption lines up better with other established facts. And there's really no reason, based on Sukuna's performance in the fight, to believe that Gojo stopping him from destroying the barrier from the inside *wouldn't* have worked. Gojo was kinda beating the brakes off Sukuna for most of the fight, imo it's more of a stretch to say he would've failed. Not totally impossible, I'm not a mindless Gojo glazer, but certain less likely.
No, we were explicitely told by Sukuna himself that he deactivated DA to allow Mahoraga to adapt. He could only use his Shrine CT inside it because it was inbued inside his Domain.
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With this, it would also explain why Gojo trounced Sukuna in CQC. Sukuna had literally no way to fight back, he could only flee and take hits.
Are we sure that's an accurate translation? Because what he says here is literally contradicted by what we see. We *see* him use Amplification within the Domain, which is what he actually says here, not that he can't use Amplification alongside Megumi using Adaptation.
u canāt use ct and an adaption at the same time bruh are u good
Megumi cannot adapt without sukuna placing the wheel on megumiās soul. The wheel cannot be active while Sukuna is using DA
I read that he apperantly juggled between DA and adapting Mahoraga in the Domain. So that would explain that. But Sukuna would still have to be defensless for a decent amount of time if he did that.
Edit: Hr also says "While unable to use it", so he probably sometimes had it active and sometimes not for adaptation.
Not necessarily. All that's said is that Megumi took Unlimited Void 1 time in each Domain clash. Those could have been very brief. It would also line up with the fact that Gojo didn't seem to notice Sukuna not using DA. I don't recall him ever commenting on it at least.
I don't even get the point of talking about it. Like we saw the result of the actual fight and Gojo died. Let's even say I say "Gojo wins 7x out of 10" against old Heian Sukuna. What do you win? Bragging and memeing rights over a hypothetical fight that didn't happen?
I get why some people aren't even willing to give some of yall an inch because some will take a mile and act like the actual results don't matter. Not necessarily talking about you
base gojo vs base(20f is basically base) sukuna is gonna be a toss up but Gojo would still win. idk why Gege glazes sukuna for half the story then offscreens his only real challenge. if someone can debunk this i am undisputed.
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I'm going to copypaste an answer to you that I gave a different user here. Sorry incase I may seem like I'm spamming but I just don't wanna waste a good answer on only 1 comment and give a slightly different formulated one with the exactly same information.
1st. We have to lay down the basics.
-Sukuna didn't use DA because Mahoraga needed to adapt, and was therefore getting trounced in CQC.
-Sukuna didn't attack the inside of Gojo's Domain after Gojo reversed it's conditions, so that Mahoraga had a longer time to adapt. This was pointed out in part by Gojo himself.
-Mahoraga adapted via Megumi's soul. Megumi's soul wasn't protected against UV by MS, which means that the wheel wasn't really above Sukuna, it was above Megumi.
-Sukuna opened MS late against Gojo in their last clash, due to injuries he sustained by Gojo trouncing on him in CQC, and needed to heal.
Now, with the groundwork being covered, what does this tell us well...
1. Sukuna wasn't protected by UV by Megumi's soul like some assumed, he was protected by his own Domain. **He only needed Megumi to let Mahoraga adapt.**
2. He wouldn't need to hold MS up for 3 minutes, as with him attacking UV inside, it would collaps faster.
3. He wouldn't get trounced by Gojo in CQC. This would lead to him not being injured enough for MS to collapse before UV did, leading to him not getting hit by UV.
So, Sukuna and Gojo would begin their Domain battle. MS would destroy UV from the outside and the begining would be really exactly the same as in the actuall fight. But then Gojo would change the conditions of his Domain, he'll invert the durability of the outside and the inside. This would force Gojo and Sukuna to fight in CQC inside the Domain. But Sukuna would have activated DA and would actually be even with Gojo. He'll also attack the inside of UV, causing it to collapse sooner than 3 minutes, though he wouldn't have needed to as he would have lasted longer anyway. With UV destroyes 5 times, Gojo wouldn't be able to open his Domain anymore, while Sukuna casts a barrier around MS to trap Gojo and chip away at him until his RCT output dropped so low that MS could finish him.
Now, it could ofcourse go different than this with Gojo perhaps taking other decisions than he did in the actuall fight due to 10S not being present. Maybe Fuga might actually cone into play at the end when Sukuna basically won already. Idk. Just wanted to give an honest explanation.
Edit: Ok, so I reread the fight again and I'm really, really confused. Gojo mentions that he's confused why Sukuna fights him with DA inside the Domain and not with 10S. But Sukuna mentions that while not using DA in the Domain, he let Megumi adapt for him. So there were times in the Domain when Sukuna didn't use DA, and when he did. And Megumi is apperantly not able to adapt when Sukuna is using DA aswell. But Gojo didn't mention Sukuna not using DA, which is confusing. It was also mentioned that Infinity took a few spins to be adapted to, and UV is much, much more complicated then Infinity. So Sukuna probably spend as much time as possible with DA deactivated to be able to adapt to it, but again, Gojo didn't notice this. Maybe Sukuna only had DA active when he was in CQC with Gojo, and that's why Gojo didn't know that he had it deactivated? But that would point to Gojo being better than Sukuna in CQC and MS therefore still collapsing in 3 minutes. But Sukuna didn't attack the inside of UV, so he could have done it and not have had to have lasted 3 minutes?
So from all this, my conclusion is that without 10S it would be a much more risky and less rewarding fight for Sukuna then without it. He would need to defend himself from Gojo for 3 minutes while simultaniously trying to attack the Domain. It could very well be possible that Sukuna manages to do that, but also that he doesn't manage to do that with Gojo laying down the heat on him. Simultaniously if he does succeed in removing UV while keeping MS, Gojo would still be a potential threat inside his Domain. But with 10S Gojo would much faster not becone a threat due to Mahoraga adapting to him, and Sukuna would also have the chance to learn something like Space Dismantle, but with only Shrine he wouldn't have had that oppertunity. It was still risky with 10S, but not as much as it would have been with only Shrine. So it would be a very high diff fight either way.
So what I'm saying is, it's complicated as fuck.
u/Working-Telephone-45 u/feet_taster Sukuna already won with the domain clashes. Gojo only barely edged out a win with a margin of 1 second left before his own domain is destroyed.
This only happened because Sukuna purposely was not defending himself with Domain Amplification in order to train Makora. It is self evident that if Sukuna chose to fully shield himself from Gojo's technique, then they would have surpassed that one second of difference the canon fight had. Meaning Gojo gets brain damage and loses.
theyā¦ BOTH got brain damageš and after 3 domain clashes so it was understandable. Gojo did have to pump put like 7 lapse blues a second anyways considering how for 1/4th of the fight it was a 3v1, then after losing 2 domain clashes Gojo claps back, which is really hard to even pull off. still doesnt explain Gege offscreening Sukunas only real challenge in the 100+ chapters of the manga tho
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correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they say sukuna only took the brain because of gojos domain? ik he would've taken brain damage regardless but i thought the only reason he couldn't open his domain again was because he took the fee seconds of unlimited void
most of it was from infinite void(glazing my glorious backshot king ofc), BUT Sukuna did get some brain damage even before infinite void from their domain clashes.
i mean was the damage he took without gojos domain enough to completely stop him from using his own domain again? i feel like if he was really try harding the fight instead of trying to adapt mahoraga he could've ended the fight right there just like he said he was going to.
Actually, Gojo got brain damage from having to repeatedly destroy his brain to skip the cooldown process after losing the domain clashes. Sukuna only had to do it once and the rest of the brain damage came from getting hit by Infinite Void which never would have happened if Sukuna had been defending himself with domain amplification. That is my point
Sorry incase I may be spamming, but I don't want to waste a good answer on only a single comment and slightly reword it with the exact same information. So I'm going to copypaste an answer I gave to someone else. Sorry incase that seems annoying.
1st. We have to lay down the basics.
-Sukuna didn't use DA because Mahoraga needed to adapt, and was therefore getting trounced in CQC.
-Sukuna didn't attack the inside of Gojo's Domain after Gojo reversed it's conditions, so that Mahoraga had a longer time to adapt. This was pointed out in part by Gojo himself.
-Mahoraga adapted via Megumi's soul. Megumi's soul wasn't protected against UV by MS, which means that the wheel wasn't really above Sukuna, it was above Megumi.
-Sukuna opened MS late against Gojo in their last clash, due to injuries he sustained by Gojo trouncing on him in CQC, and needed to heal.
Now, with the groundwork being covered, what does this tell us well...
1. Sukuna wasn't protected by UV by Megumi's soul like some assumed, he was protected by his own Domain. **He only needed Megumi to let Mahoraga adapt.**
2. He wouldn't need to hold MS up for 3 minutes, as with him attacking UV inside, it would collaps faster.
3. He wouldn't get trounced by Gojo in CQC. This would lead to him not being injured enough for MS to collapse before UV did, leading to him not getting hit by UV.
So, Sukuna and Gojo would begin their Domain battle. MS would destroy UV from the outside and the begining would be really exactly the same as in the actuall fight. But then Gojo would change the conditions of his Domain, he'll invert the durability of the outside and the inside. This would force Gojo and Sukuna to fight in CQC inside the Domain. But Sukuna would have activated DA and would actually be even with Gojo. He'll also attack the inside of UV, causing it to collapse sooner than 3 minutes, though he wouldn't have needed to as he would have lasted longer anyway. With UV destroyes 5 times, Gojo wouldn't be able to open his Domain anymore, while Sukuna casts a barrier around MS to trap Gojo and chip away at him until his RCT output dropped so low that MS could finish him.
Now, it could ofcourse go different than this with Gojo perhaps taking other decisions than he did in the actuall fight due to 10S not being present. Maybe Fuga might actually cone into play at the end when Sukuna basically won already. Idk. Just wanted to give an honest explanation.
Edit: Ok, so I reread the fight again and I'm really, really confused. Gojo mentions that he's confused why Sukuna fights him with DA inside the Domain and not with 10S. But Sukuna mentions that while not using DA in the Domain, he let Megumi adapt for him. So there were times in the Domain when Sukuna didn't use DA, and when he did. And Megumi is apperantly not able to adapt when Sukuna is using DA aswell. But Gojo didn't mention Sukuna not using DA, which is confusing. It was also mentioned that Infinity took a few spins to be adapted to, and UV is much, much more complicated then Infinity. So Sukuna probably spend as much time as possible with DA deactivated to be able to adapt to it, but again, Gojo didn't notice this. Maybe Sukuna only had DA active when he was in CQC with Gojo, and that's why Gojo didn't know that he had it deactivated? But that would point to Gojo being better than Sukuna in CQC and MS therefore still collapsing in 3 minutes. But Sukuna didn't attack the inside of UV, so he could have done it and not have had to have lasted 3 minutes?
So from all this, my conclusion is that without 10S it would be a much more risky and less rewarding fight for Sukuna then without it. He would need to defend himself from Gojo for 3 minutes while simultaniously trying to attack the Domain. It could very well be possible that Sukuna manages to do that, but also that he doesn't manage to do that with Gojo laying down the heat on him. Simultaniously if he does succeed in removing UV while keeping MS, Gojo would still be a potential threat inside his Domain. But with 10S Gojo would much faster not becone a threat due to Mahoraga adapting to him, and Sukuna would also have the chance to learn something like Space Dismantle, but with only Shrine he wouldn't have had that oppertunity. It was still risky with 10S, but not as much as it would have been with only Shrine. So it would be a very high diff fight either way.
So what I'm saying is, it's complicated as fuck.
Common counter is If he had all 20 fingers he'd win the domain. Thing is that he did in the 19 finger state. Gojo was fine. Then gojo would do the basketball thing, and with no back up sukuna gets his shit rocked by all of the attacks which he barely lived.
YOU THINK THE TEN SHADOWS COULD STOP ME? AND USING SOMEONE A VESSEL TOO? SOUNDS LIKE WEAK SH#T TO ME
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\-Goku
So I'm gonna copypasta a reply I made to a comment, because I don't want to just reprase it a little differently with the same information. Sorry if that seems spammy.
1st. We have to lay down the basics.
-Sukuna didn't use DA because Mahoraga needed to adapt, and was therefore getting trounced in CQC.
-Sukuna didn't attack the inside of Gojo's Domain after Gojo reversed it's conditions, so that Mahoraga had a longer time to adapt. This was pointed out in part by Gojo himself.
-Mahoraga adapted via Megumi's soul. Megumi's soul wasn't protected against UV by MS, which means that the wheel wasn't really above Sukuna, it was above Megumi.
-Sukuna opened MS late against Gojo in their last clash, due to injuries he sustained by Gojo trouncing on him in CQC, and needed to heal.
Now, with the groundwork being covered, what does this tell us well...
1. Sukuna wasn't protected by UV by Megumi's soul like some assumed, he was protected by his own Domain. **He only needed Megumi to let Mahoraga adapt.**
2. He wouldn't need to hold MS up for 3 minutes, as with him attacking UV inside, it would collaps faster.
3. He wouldn't get trounced by Gojo in CQC. This would lead to him not being injured enough for MS to collapse before UV did, leading to him not getting hit by UV.
So, Sukuna and Gojo would begin their Domain battle. MS would destroy UV from the outside and the begining would be really exactly the same as in the actuall fight. But then Gojo would change the conditions of his Domain, he'll invert the durability of the outside and the inside. This would force Gojo and Sukuna to fight in CQC inside the Domain. But Sukuna would have activated DA and would actually be even with Gojo. He'll also attack the inside of UV, causing it to collapse sooner than 3 minutes, though he wouldn't have needed to as he would have lasted longer anyway. With UV destroyes 5 times, Gojo wouldn't be able to open his Domain anymore, while Sukuna casts a barrier around MS to trap Gojo and chip away at him until his RCT output dropped so low that MS could finish him.
Now, it could ofcourse go different than this with Gojo perhaps taking other decisions than he did in the actuall fight due to 10S not being present. Maybe Fuga might actually cone into play at the end when Sukuna basically won already. Idk. Just wanted to give an honest explanation.
Edit: Ok, so I reread the fight again and I'm really, really confused. Gojo mentions that he's confused why Sukuna fights him with DA inside the Domain and not with 10S. But Sukuna mentions that while not using DA in the Domain, he let Megumi adapt for him. So there were times in the Domain when Sukuna didn't use DA, and when he did. And Megumi is apperantly not able to adapt when Sukuna is using DA aswell. But Gojo didn't mention Sukuna not using DA, which is confusing. It was also mentioned that Infinity took a few spins to be adapted to, and UV is much, much more complicated then Infinity. So Sukuna probably spend as much time as possible with DA deactivated to be able to adapt to it, but again, Gojo didn't notice this. Maybe Sukuna only had DA active when he was in CQC with Gojo, and that's why Gojo didn't know that he had it deactivated? But that would point to Gojo being better than Sukuna in CQC and MS therefore still collapsing in 3 minutes. But Sukuna didn't attack the inside of UV, so he could have done it and not have had to have lasted 3 minutes?
So from all this, my conclusion is that without 10S it would be a much more risky and less rewarding fight for Sukuna then without it. He would need to defend himself from Gojo for 3 minutes while simultaniously trying to attack the Domain. It could very well be possible that Sukuna manages to do that, but also that he doesn't manage to do that with Gojo laying down the heat on him. Simultaniously if he does succeed in removing UV while keeping MS, Gojo would still be a potential threat inside his Domain. But with 10S Gojo would much faster not becone a threat due to Mahoraga adapting to him, and Sukuna would also have the chance to learn something like Space Dismantle, but with only Shrine he wouldn't have had that oppertunity. It was still risky with 10S, but not as much as it would have been with only Shrine. So it would be a very high diff fight either way.
So what I'm saying is, it's complicated as fuck.
Gojo litteraly fought sukuna in the beginning of the series had amps from Utahime and even made binding vows for him to even do black flash what do you mean he went in blind I'm convinced jjk fans don't read or watch there own series now š
Personally I believe Sukuna wouldāve won, having taken advantage of the fact he still has a full heal (assuming he can do that in Yujiās body) but heād be totally screwed against everyone else.
Listen Iām a Gojo glazer day 1 but Sukuna is 100% stronger even without the 10 shadows
Also without the 20% boost given to Gojo he wouldāve been .1 second slower so he wouldnāt have gotten of the domain that helped him win the domain clash so heād run out of domains while Sukuna would still have some
Sukuna: 3 hours into a gaming session, full gamer lean, two energy drinks in Gojo: Just woke up and hopped on because the boys said so
Some days it's really like that lmao
Diavolo? Aren't you dying rn?
he died after commenting this, thus we are officially jojo canon hurrayššš
Close, but my current death is being a Redditor. And honestly with how stupid half of you Mfs and other subreddits are, this is the worst one yet š
Death via brain rot is truly a cruel fate
Canāt imagine anything worse
Sukuna: Ultra Sweat tryhard who abuses the meta and uses any exploits in the game shamelessly. Gojo: that weird guy whoās just stupidly good at the game even though he only plays like twice a week
Gojo would also be using Meta. But he's always chill about it so it's cool.
i'm gonna need a binding vow to not shoot myself after reading sukuna glazer comments
Fraudkuna: F it we binding vow goatjo: https://preview.redd.it/lwl2pbz0ulzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b88319f1f1d469ebfb622a0574a364fe1e21523
Does anyone have the background image?
Is the image supposed to have something behind all the red? https://i.redd.it/rg5s39jxbmzc1.gif RED IS THAT A LIMITLESS REFERENMCE????? GOJO CONFIRMED RETURN IN 260!!!!!
https://preview.redd.it/fjfm0pgcdmzc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ee0620faa6da6a6cab0f2836fae497b1b15fbbb
Aw hell yeah WEāRE SO BACK https://preview.redd.it/wi0bvbt6xqzc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac0da416b262c562371f9a78b62f3f03262c4e4e
its crazy when you realize hes been planning this since shibuya, and likely even the start of the manga when fighting megumi
You can think Sukuna as the player character and Gojo as the final dungeon boss. Despite all his cocky talkings, Sukuna is a very pragmatic fighter. He do whatever shameless thing he needs to win.
Makes sense. You'll never get at the very top by playing fair. Just look at successful politicians, most of them are cheating and backstabbing lowlifes.
bros using cheat codes š
Gojo's character sheet literally had 'invincible unless you complete quest Megumi and TS and use item M in the fight and you can auto win if you survive five nights at ~~Freddys's~~ Shinjuku' on it. I can not blame Sukuna for trying. He is the strongest because he is the smartest.
im not bashing sukuna for it. heās not the king of curses for no reason. bros a genius š
https://preview.redd.it/8aav2ysd6ozc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02de862bbdf14d6320b2786aa8b2ebfe17ebb9fb I can't tell if I'm tweaking or the guy is stupid
Heās tweaking
Heās stupid
He's both
He can't read and he's proud about it
If you donāt believe in yourself you stand no chance or something like thatĀ
Isnt it kinda pathetic that Gojo went in blind staking Juju high, when Yuta and Yuji can showcase Sukuna's ultra basic CT. Yuji knows Sukuna's whole kit, Shrine, MS, Fuga, Choso knows about open domain, there is a for dummies zenin manuel for 10s.
That's gojos entire character tho. He knew sakuna would be the toughest opponent he has faced yet but since gojo got used to being so much stronger than anyone else he never realized he has a chance of losing the fight. That's why he said "nah , I'd win" , because he genuinely never even thought he can lose His arrogance killed him
Sukana and Gojo glaziers are an annoying breed but actually sitting down and talking about the fight and who was close to legitimately losing is a nice change.
Yeah Sukuna glazers be like Heian Sukuna would shit on Gojo meanwhile Sukuna making a 200+ chapter plan to get Megumis body for 10 shadows. Not only that i am sure Sukunas knows his abilities better than all the glazers and he decided to get Megumi because he knew he aint beating Gojo. Megumi carried his ass.
So I'm going to copypaste an answer to you that I already gave a few other comments. Sorry incase that seems annoying and spammy, but I don't want to waste it on a single comment and just rephrase it with the same information to other comments. 1st. We have to lay down the basics. -Sukuna didn't use DA because Mahoraga needed to adapt, and was therefore getting trounced in CQC. -Sukuna didn't attack the inside of Gojo's Domain after Gojo reversed it's conditions, so that Mahoraga had a longer time to adapt. This was pointed out in part by Gojo himself. -Mahoraga adapted via Megumi's soul. Megumi's soul wasn't protected against UV by MS, which means that the wheel wasn't really above Sukuna, it was above Megumi. -Sukuna opened MS late against Gojo in their last clash, due to injuries he sustained by Gojo trouncing on him in CQC, and needed to heal. Now, with the groundwork being covered, what does this tell us well... 1. Sukuna wasn't protected by UV by Megumi's soul like some assumed, he was protected by his own Domain. **He only needed Megumi to let Mahoraga adapt.** 2. He wouldn't need to hold MS up for 3 minutes, as with him attacking UV inside, it would collaps faster. 3. He wouldn't get trounced by Gojo in CQC. This would lead to him not being injured enough for MS to collapse before UV did, leading to him not getting hit by UV. So, Sukuna and Gojo would begin their Domain battle. MS would destroy UV from the outside and the begining would be really exactly the same as in the actuall fight. But then Gojo would change the conditions of his Domain, he'll invert the durability of the outside and the inside. This would force Gojo and Sukuna to fight in CQC inside the Domain. But Sukuna would have activated DA and would actually be even with Gojo. He'll also attack the inside of UV, causing it to collapse sooner than 3 minutes, though he wouldn't have needed to as he would have lasted longer anyway. With UV destroyes 5 times, Gojo wouldn't be able to open his Domain anymore, while Sukuna casts a barrier around MS to trap Gojo and chip away at him until his RCT output dropped so low that MS could finish him. Now, it could ofcourse go different than this with Gojo perhaps taking other decisions than he did in the actuall fight due to 10S not being present. Maybe Fuga might actually cone into play at the end when Sukuna basically won already. Idk. Just wanted to give an honest explanation.
Yeah but the thing is everything you said is just speculation of a fight that Gojo does this or that Sukuna does this or that and so Sukuna has a advantage thing. My point is that Sukuna had months and months to prepare he didnt had anything else to do. He also has a very good understanding of Gojos entire CT/arsenal he has seen him do everything not only from first hand experience through Yuji but even from Kenjaku who spent a 1000 years dealing with six eyes/limitless users. All the points you mentioned i am sure Sukuna knows about his abilities too he knows what he can or cant do and so Sukuna himself chose to not fight Gojo in his Heian era form and instead opted to go through all the trouble of aquiring 10 shadows with a 200+ chapter plan and went as far to make uncertain decisions and having Uraume and Kenjaku plan for this. So thats my point. Also you mentioned how Sukuna didnt do this/that which would have supposedly been way more effective than letting Mahoraga adapt i am sure if that was the case and if that was so easy Sukuna the 1000 year old greatest sorcerer in history would have surely realized and done that. He did the things he did and made the decision he made because that was the most effective/optimal things to do according to the greatest sorcerer in history.
I mean, Sukuna at most could only have planned it for 104-105 Chapters, as he only learned of Mahoraga in chapters 118-119, and the Gojo vs Sukuna fight began in chapter 223. Though I don't disagree with the fact that Sukuna choose the 10S route for a reason. I just disagree that that must mean that Sukuna had no other viable way to win. Maybe Sukuna made a mistake, maybe he viewed the 10S path as an oppertunity to possibly get stronger(Space Diasmantle), or maybe the 10S route was the better one for whatever reason. I don't know. Edit: Ok, so I reread the fight again and I'm really, really confused. Gojo mentions that he's confused why Sukuna fights him with DA inside the Domain and not with 10S. But Sukuna mentions that while not using DA in the Domain, he let Megumi adapt for him. So there were times in the Domain when Sukuna didn't use DA, and when he did. And Megumi is apperantly not able to adapt when Sukuna is using DA aswell. But Gojo didn't mention Sukuna not using DA, which is confusing. It was also mentioned that Infinity took a few spins to be adapted to, and UV is much, much more complicated then Infinity. So Sukuna probably spend as much time as possible with DA deactivated to be able to adapt to it, but again, Gojo didn't notice this. Maybe Sukuna only had DA active when he was in CQC with Gojo, and that's why Gojo didn't know that he had it deactivated? But that would point to Gojo being better than Sukuna in CQC and MS therefore still collapsing in 3 minutes. But Sukuna didn't attack the inside of UV, so he could have done it and not have had to have lasted 3 minutes? So from all this, my conclusion is that without 10S it would be a much more risky and less rewarding fight for Sukuna then without it. He would need to defend himself from Gojo for 3 minutes while simultaniously trying to attack the Domain. It could very well be possible that Sukuna manages to do that, but also that he doesn't manage to do that with Gojo laying down the heat on him. Simultaniously if he does succeed in removing UV while keeping MS, Gojo would still be a potential threat inside his Domain. But with 10S Gojo would much faster not becone a threat due to Mahoraga adapting to him, and Sukuna would also have the chance to learn something like Space Dismantle, but with only Shrine he wouldn't have had that oppertunity. It was still risky with 10S, but not as much as it would have been with only Shrine. So it would be a very high diff fight either way. So what I'm saying is, it's complicated as fuck.
Bro was using DA the entire time. Gojo even expresses confusion as to why he was using DA instead of 10 shadows. DA also doesn't make you stronger, it just canels out the CT, Gojo would still be stronger either way. In a world where he doesn't have two cursed techniques, it would play out the same way but he no longer has mahoraga to save him from the final UV. The fight ends there.
I never claimed that DA made you stronger. I said that he could compete with Gojo by using DA. Sukuna also said that he didn't use DA when he was letting Megumi adapt, which points to him juggling between the two since we saw him use DA aswell. https://preview.redd.it/tuvxs6s4cqzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae16f6175871b56947d622605c3d2a8878f20856 This would lead to there bring oeriods of time where Sukuna was basically defensless against Gojo, leading to his heavy injuries.
Then idk why you're implying Sukuna with DA would be equal to Gojo. * Here he is literally saying he is stronger then DA Sukuna
Sorry, back tgen I was REALLY sleepdeprived. I also think I gotta take a look at the Manga again. I'll Argue after that.
https://preview.redd.it/mh477y71nszc1.jpeg?width=740&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02bd5c4b1ef239515114a214b759e625d89cb751 i think my guy would notice neutral infinity coming into effect if Sukuna ever turned off DA in their fights
Ok, so I reread the fight again and I'm really, really confused. Gojo mentions that he's confused why Sukuna fights him with DA inside the Domain and not with 10S. But Sukuna mentions that while not using DA in the Domain, he let Megumi adapt for him. So there were times in the Domain when Sukuna didn't use DA, and when he did. And Megumi is apperantly not able to adapt when Sukuna is using DA aswell. But Gojo didn't mention Sukuna not using DA, which is confusing. It was also mentioned that Infinity took a few spins to be adapted to, and UV is much, much more complicated then Infinity. So Sukuna probably spend as much time as possible with DA deactivated to be able to adapt to it, but again, Gojo didn't notice this. Maybe Sukuna only had DA active when he was in CQC with Gojo, and that's why Gojo didn't know that he had it deactivated? But that would point to Gojo being better than Sukuna in CQC and MS therefore still collapsing in 3 minutes. But Sukuna didn't attack the inside of UV, so he could have done it and not have had to have lasted 3 minutes? So from all this, my conclusion is that without 10S it would be a much more risky and less rewarding fight for Sukuna then without it. He would need to defend himself from Gojo for 3 minutes while simultaniously trying to attack the Domain. It could very well be possible that Sukuna manages to do that, but also that he doesn't manage to do that with Gojo laying down the heat on him. Simultaniously if he does succeed in removing UV while keeping MS, Gojo would still be a potential threat inside his Domain. But with 10S Gojo would much faster not becone a threat due to Mahoraga adapting to him, and Sukuna would also have the chance to learn something like Space Dismantle, but with only Shrine he wouldn't have had that oppertunity. It was still risky with 10S, but not as much as it would have been with only Shrine. So it would be a very high diff fight either way. So what I'm saying is, it's complicated as fuck.
I think the much more likely explanation is just that Sukuna didn't protect Megumi with DA. The sure hit effect wasn't being cancelled out on himself so he would have to have protected himself everytime with DA to not get insta KOed by UV.
Maybe. But that would conflict with Sukuna himself saying that Megumi adapted Mahoraga when he had DA deactivated.
Idk why Sukuna would even need to have DA turned off. The whole point is megumi is the one getting hit for adaptation, not Sukuna. Sukuna would be dead the moment he turns off DA and gets hit with UV.
Didn't Sukuna protect himself via his surehit but left out Megumi to adapt, but DA would still need to be turned off for Megumi to do that? That's how I understood the whole thing at least.
Here's another image supporting that he can't use DA and adaption at the same time. https://preview.redd.it/87gsjpcicqzc1.jpeg?width=794&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82cdd13afb9bfae5ff37d3bb98a042c15dfc5f3b
You know what, I'll argue in a few hours when I actually finaly slept.
Unless someone can convince me otherwise, I am CONVICED Gojo would've won hands down. But feel free to try and change my mind, I'm open to it.
I agree with you, but the times I have genuinely asked for someone to explain to me why Sukuna would win they ALWAYS say the same thing "Ummm, Gojo said Sukuna is stronger bro, the author said so" And when I ask "Okay but what IN THE STORY proves that?" they just call me a coping glazer
So I'm gonna copypaste this comment to a bunch of other comments as an explanation. Sorry to anyone who might feel like that's spammy or is annoyed by it, but I just don't want to spend a few hours creating different versons of the same comment. Sorry again. I'm gonna actually explain to you then how Sukuna could have won without 10S. 1st. We have to lay down the basics. -Sukuna didn't use DA because Mahoraga needed to adapt, and was therefore getting trounced in CQC. -Sukuna didn't attack the inside of Gojo's Domain after Gojo reversed it's conditions, so that Mahoraga had a longer time to adapt. This was pointed out in part by Gojo himself. -Mahoraga adapted via Megumi's soul. Megumi's soul wasn't protected against UV by MS, which means that the wheel wasn't really above Sukuna, it was above Megumi. -Sukuna opened MS late against Gojo in their last clash, due to injuries he sustained by Gojo trouncing on him in CQC, and needed to heal. Now, with the groundwork being covered, what does this tell us well... 1. Sukuna wasn't protected by UV by Megumi's soul like some assumed, he was protected by his own Domain. **He only needed Megumi to let Mahoraga adapt.** 2. He wouldn't need to hold MS up for 3 minutes, as with him attacking UV inside, it would collaps faster. 3. He wouldn't get trounced by Gojo in CQC. This would lead to him not being injured enough for MS to collapse before UV did, leading to him not getting hit by UV. So, Sukuna and Gojo would begin their Domain battle. MS would destroy UV from the outside and the begining would be really exactly the same as in the actuall fight. But then Gojo would change the conditions of his Domain, he'll invert the durability of the outside and the inside. This would force Gojo and Sukuna to fight in CQC inside the Domain. But Sukuna would have activated DA and would actually be even with Gojo. He'll also attack the inside of UV, causing it to collapse sooner than 3 minutes, though he wouldn't have needed to as he would have lasted longer anyway. With UV destroyes 5 times, Gojo wouldn't be able to open his Domain anymore, while Sukuna casts a barrier around MS to trap Gojo and chip away at him until his RCT output dropped so low that MS could finish him. Now, it could ofcourse go different than this with Gojo perhaps taking other decisions than he did in the actuall fight due to 10S not being present. Maybe Fuga might actually cone into play at the end when Sukuna basically won already. Idk. Just wanted to give an honest explanation.
Gojo likely had a plan for Sukuna trying to destroy his inverted barrier DE from the inside. It's clearly what he expected him to do. And Sukuna *was* using his DA while they were going hand to hand. Sukuna would either still have to turn off the effect inside Gojo's Domain to increase the power outside, leading to the same outcome, or turn off his DA to send slashes at the barrier from inside, which leaves him more vulnerable to Gojo's Blue enhanced punches, and was the move Gojo was expecting and likely had a plan to deal with.
No, we were told that he had to deactivate his DA to allow Mahoraga to adapt. He literally had to have it deactivated or his whole plan would not have worked. And while Gojo could potentially do something against Sukuna attacking his Domain from the inside, we don't know if he actually planned something or if it would have worked.
We were also explicitly told that while their sure-hit effects were canceling each other out, Sukuna had no choice but to use Domain Amplification to combat Limitless. And we don't actually know if the Adaptation stopping while DA is in use applies when the wheel is on Megumi's Soul and not Sukuna. He's able to use DE and DA at the same time, because he can still apply his CT to his Domain, just not himself. It's absolutely feasible to believe he can apply a Technique to Megumi and not himself and still use DA, and that assumption lines up better with other established facts. And there's really no reason, based on Sukuna's performance in the fight, to believe that Gojo stopping him from destroying the barrier from the inside *wouldn't* have worked. Gojo was kinda beating the brakes off Sukuna for most of the fight, imo it's more of a stretch to say he would've failed. Not totally impossible, I'm not a mindless Gojo glazer, but certain less likely.
No, we were explicitely told by Sukuna himself that he deactivated DA to allow Mahoraga to adapt. He could only use his Shrine CT inside it because it was inbued inside his Domain. https://preview.redd.it/megsf6xm7qzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9249088b2f18a79b13f3f5b3a64c392cebae06fd With this, it would also explain why Gojo trounced Sukuna in CQC. Sukuna had literally no way to fight back, he could only flee and take hits.
Are we sure that's an accurate translation? Because what he says here is literally contradicted by what we see. We *see* him use Amplification within the Domain, which is what he actually says here, not that he can't use Amplification alongside Megumi using Adaptation.
u canāt use ct and an adaption at the same time bruh are u good Megumi cannot adapt without sukuna placing the wheel on megumiās soul. The wheel cannot be active while Sukuna is using DA
I read that he apperantly juggled between DA and adapting Mahoraga in the Domain. So that would explain that. But Sukuna would still have to be defensless for a decent amount of time if he did that. Edit: Hr also says "While unable to use it", so he probably sometimes had it active and sometimes not for adaptation.
Not necessarily. All that's said is that Megumi took Unlimited Void 1 time in each Domain clash. Those could have been very brief. It would also line up with the fact that Gojo didn't seem to notice Sukuna not using DA. I don't recall him ever commenting on it at least.
I don't even get the point of talking about it. Like we saw the result of the actual fight and Gojo died. Let's even say I say "Gojo wins 7x out of 10" against old Heian Sukuna. What do you win? Bragging and memeing rights over a hypothetical fight that didn't happen? I get why some people aren't even willing to give some of yall an inch because some will take a mile and act like the actual results don't matter. Not necessarily talking about you
base gojo vs base(20f is basically base) sukuna is gonna be a toss up but Gojo would still win. idk why Gege glazes sukuna for half the story then offscreens his only real challenge. if someone can debunk this i am undisputed. https://preview.redd.it/srnx9x987ozc1.jpeg?width=420&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c294ad39b383ddd56d1904e678adf6c0f5bdfe4a
Baller name btw.
I'm going to copypaste an answer to you that I gave a different user here. Sorry incase I may seem like I'm spamming but I just don't wanna waste a good answer on only 1 comment and give a slightly different formulated one with the exactly same information. 1st. We have to lay down the basics. -Sukuna didn't use DA because Mahoraga needed to adapt, and was therefore getting trounced in CQC. -Sukuna didn't attack the inside of Gojo's Domain after Gojo reversed it's conditions, so that Mahoraga had a longer time to adapt. This was pointed out in part by Gojo himself. -Mahoraga adapted via Megumi's soul. Megumi's soul wasn't protected against UV by MS, which means that the wheel wasn't really above Sukuna, it was above Megumi. -Sukuna opened MS late against Gojo in their last clash, due to injuries he sustained by Gojo trouncing on him in CQC, and needed to heal. Now, with the groundwork being covered, what does this tell us well... 1. Sukuna wasn't protected by UV by Megumi's soul like some assumed, he was protected by his own Domain. **He only needed Megumi to let Mahoraga adapt.** 2. He wouldn't need to hold MS up for 3 minutes, as with him attacking UV inside, it would collaps faster. 3. He wouldn't get trounced by Gojo in CQC. This would lead to him not being injured enough for MS to collapse before UV did, leading to him not getting hit by UV. So, Sukuna and Gojo would begin their Domain battle. MS would destroy UV from the outside and the begining would be really exactly the same as in the actuall fight. But then Gojo would change the conditions of his Domain, he'll invert the durability of the outside and the inside. This would force Gojo and Sukuna to fight in CQC inside the Domain. But Sukuna would have activated DA and would actually be even with Gojo. He'll also attack the inside of UV, causing it to collapse sooner than 3 minutes, though he wouldn't have needed to as he would have lasted longer anyway. With UV destroyes 5 times, Gojo wouldn't be able to open his Domain anymore, while Sukuna casts a barrier around MS to trap Gojo and chip away at him until his RCT output dropped so low that MS could finish him. Now, it could ofcourse go different than this with Gojo perhaps taking other decisions than he did in the actuall fight due to 10S not being present. Maybe Fuga might actually cone into play at the end when Sukuna basically won already. Idk. Just wanted to give an honest explanation. Edit: Ok, so I reread the fight again and I'm really, really confused. Gojo mentions that he's confused why Sukuna fights him with DA inside the Domain and not with 10S. But Sukuna mentions that while not using DA in the Domain, he let Megumi adapt for him. So there were times in the Domain when Sukuna didn't use DA, and when he did. And Megumi is apperantly not able to adapt when Sukuna is using DA aswell. But Gojo didn't mention Sukuna not using DA, which is confusing. It was also mentioned that Infinity took a few spins to be adapted to, and UV is much, much more complicated then Infinity. So Sukuna probably spend as much time as possible with DA deactivated to be able to adapt to it, but again, Gojo didn't notice this. Maybe Sukuna only had DA active when he was in CQC with Gojo, and that's why Gojo didn't know that he had it deactivated? But that would point to Gojo being better than Sukuna in CQC and MS therefore still collapsing in 3 minutes. But Sukuna didn't attack the inside of UV, so he could have done it and not have had to have lasted 3 minutes? So from all this, my conclusion is that without 10S it would be a much more risky and less rewarding fight for Sukuna then without it. He would need to defend himself from Gojo for 3 minutes while simultaniously trying to attack the Domain. It could very well be possible that Sukuna manages to do that, but also that he doesn't manage to do that with Gojo laying down the heat on him. Simultaniously if he does succeed in removing UV while keeping MS, Gojo would still be a potential threat inside his Domain. But with 10S Gojo would much faster not becone a threat due to Mahoraga adapting to him, and Sukuna would also have the chance to learn something like Space Dismantle, but with only Shrine he wouldn't have had that oppertunity. It was still risky with 10S, but not as much as it would have been with only Shrine. So it would be a very high diff fight either way. So what I'm saying is, it's complicated as fuck.
u/Working-Telephone-45 u/feet_taster Sukuna already won with the domain clashes. Gojo only barely edged out a win with a margin of 1 second left before his own domain is destroyed. This only happened because Sukuna purposely was not defending himself with Domain Amplification in order to train Makora. It is self evident that if Sukuna chose to fully shield himself from Gojo's technique, then they would have surpassed that one second of difference the canon fight had. Meaning Gojo gets brain damage and loses.
theyā¦ BOTH got brain damageš and after 3 domain clashes so it was understandable. Gojo did have to pump put like 7 lapse blues a second anyways considering how for 1/4th of the fight it was a 3v1, then after losing 2 domain clashes Gojo claps back, which is really hard to even pull off. still doesnt explain Gege offscreening Sukunas only real challenge in the 100+ chapters of the manga tho https://preview.redd.it/143fnmh3qozc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d653aa045295d1ff684e47e7b224f99a3a2bb348
correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they say sukuna only took the brain because of gojos domain? ik he would've taken brain damage regardless but i thought the only reason he couldn't open his domain again was because he took the fee seconds of unlimited void
most of it was from infinite void(glazing my glorious backshot king ofc), BUT Sukuna did get some brain damage even before infinite void from their domain clashes.
i mean was the damage he took without gojos domain enough to completely stop him from using his own domain again? i feel like if he was really try harding the fight instead of trying to adapt mahoraga he could've ended the fight right there just like he said he was going to.
Actually, Gojo got brain damage from having to repeatedly destroy his brain to skip the cooldown process after losing the domain clashes. Sukuna only had to do it once and the rest of the brain damage came from getting hit by Infinite Void which never would have happened if Sukuna had been defending himself with domain amplification. That is my point
"Bu-bu-but Gojo said Sukuna was stronger bro, the author said that with OBVIOUSLY not any kind of bias" - Literally the only argument Sukuna fans know
Sorry incase I may be spamming, but I don't want to waste a good answer on only a single comment and slightly reword it with the exact same information. So I'm going to copypaste an answer I gave to someone else. Sorry incase that seems annoying. 1st. We have to lay down the basics. -Sukuna didn't use DA because Mahoraga needed to adapt, and was therefore getting trounced in CQC. -Sukuna didn't attack the inside of Gojo's Domain after Gojo reversed it's conditions, so that Mahoraga had a longer time to adapt. This was pointed out in part by Gojo himself. -Mahoraga adapted via Megumi's soul. Megumi's soul wasn't protected against UV by MS, which means that the wheel wasn't really above Sukuna, it was above Megumi. -Sukuna opened MS late against Gojo in their last clash, due to injuries he sustained by Gojo trouncing on him in CQC, and needed to heal. Now, with the groundwork being covered, what does this tell us well... 1. Sukuna wasn't protected by UV by Megumi's soul like some assumed, he was protected by his own Domain. **He only needed Megumi to let Mahoraga adapt.** 2. He wouldn't need to hold MS up for 3 minutes, as with him attacking UV inside, it would collaps faster. 3. He wouldn't get trounced by Gojo in CQC. This would lead to him not being injured enough for MS to collapse before UV did, leading to him not getting hit by UV. So, Sukuna and Gojo would begin their Domain battle. MS would destroy UV from the outside and the begining would be really exactly the same as in the actuall fight. But then Gojo would change the conditions of his Domain, he'll invert the durability of the outside and the inside. This would force Gojo and Sukuna to fight in CQC inside the Domain. But Sukuna would have activated DA and would actually be even with Gojo. He'll also attack the inside of UV, causing it to collapse sooner than 3 minutes, though he wouldn't have needed to as he would have lasted longer anyway. With UV destroyes 5 times, Gojo wouldn't be able to open his Domain anymore, while Sukuna casts a barrier around MS to trap Gojo and chip away at him until his RCT output dropped so low that MS could finish him. Now, it could ofcourse go different than this with Gojo perhaps taking other decisions than he did in the actuall fight due to 10S not being present. Maybe Fuga might actually cone into play at the end when Sukuna basically won already. Idk. Just wanted to give an honest explanation. Edit: Ok, so I reread the fight again and I'm really, really confused. Gojo mentions that he's confused why Sukuna fights him with DA inside the Domain and not with 10S. But Sukuna mentions that while not using DA in the Domain, he let Megumi adapt for him. So there were times in the Domain when Sukuna didn't use DA, and when he did. And Megumi is apperantly not able to adapt when Sukuna is using DA aswell. But Gojo didn't mention Sukuna not using DA, which is confusing. It was also mentioned that Infinity took a few spins to be adapted to, and UV is much, much more complicated then Infinity. So Sukuna probably spend as much time as possible with DA deactivated to be able to adapt to it, but again, Gojo didn't notice this. Maybe Sukuna only had DA active when he was in CQC with Gojo, and that's why Gojo didn't know that he had it deactivated? But that would point to Gojo being better than Sukuna in CQC and MS therefore still collapsing in 3 minutes. But Sukuna didn't attack the inside of UV, so he could have done it and not have had to have lasted 3 minutes? So from all this, my conclusion is that without 10S it would be a much more risky and less rewarding fight for Sukuna then without it. He would need to defend himself from Gojo for 3 minutes while simultaniously trying to attack the Domain. It could very well be possible that Sukuna manages to do that, but also that he doesn't manage to do that with Gojo laying down the heat on him. Simultaniously if he does succeed in removing UV while keeping MS, Gojo would still be a potential threat inside his Domain. But with 10S Gojo would much faster not becone a threat due to Mahoraga adapting to him, and Sukuna would also have the chance to learn something like Space Dismantle, but with only Shrine he wouldn't have had that oppertunity. It was still risky with 10S, but not as much as it would have been with only Shrine. So it would be a very high diff fight either way. So what I'm saying is, it's complicated as fuck.
You do be spamming
Bro feels the need to prove a point or something.
I mean, yeah? In every discussion you try to prove a point, so I don't get why it would be strange for me to do the same.
Yeah but the amount of energy you put into this is just sad
Eh, you gotta have sum fun in life.
I mean, ight? I already apologized for it+you didn't argue against any of my points.
Sukuna looked like he got blacked after 3v1ing gojo
Gojo fans: your goat is dead. Sukuna fans: your goat is gonna be dead. My goat is luffy from one piece which is from another series so I win haha
I like how everyone just ignore the fact gojo stated the fight with a boasted hollow purple
You mean the one Sukuna instantly healed back from with little to no strain
No I mean that one that gojo squanders the opportunity to domain sukuna when his hands where destroyed
Ya... it did nothing, so it doesn't matter.
I didnāt say it matter just that everyone forgets it exist
Because it doesnāt matter?
Yea, the one where everyone rode his tip after saying "you're the challenger hereš¤" after sending a boosted sneak shot lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsu_Kaisen/s/pywPMTWTXc
Common counter is If he had all 20 fingers he'd win the domain. Thing is that he did in the 19 finger state. Gojo was fine. Then gojo would do the basketball thing, and with no back up sukuna gets his shit rocked by all of the attacks which he barely lived.
This is basically prep time batman vs unprepared superman
The reason it took all that is because without DE or DA Gojo is incincible
It do be like that sometimes
Nah, you're forgetting Sukuna's cursed technique "Gege's favourite" which solos almost all of jjk even without ten shadows and megumi
cringelord sukuna was using gege's power to draw
YOU THINK THE TEN SHADOWS COULD STOP ME? AND USING SOMEONE A VESSEL TOO? SOUNDS LIKE WEAK SH#T TO ME https://preview.redd.it/b4uk6ywlkqzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c71b31ad39e61c724766ae8baff01b02a4ca978e \-Goku
So I'm gonna copypasta a reply I made to a comment, because I don't want to just reprase it a little differently with the same information. Sorry if that seems spammy. 1st. We have to lay down the basics. -Sukuna didn't use DA because Mahoraga needed to adapt, and was therefore getting trounced in CQC. -Sukuna didn't attack the inside of Gojo's Domain after Gojo reversed it's conditions, so that Mahoraga had a longer time to adapt. This was pointed out in part by Gojo himself. -Mahoraga adapted via Megumi's soul. Megumi's soul wasn't protected against UV by MS, which means that the wheel wasn't really above Sukuna, it was above Megumi. -Sukuna opened MS late against Gojo in their last clash, due to injuries he sustained by Gojo trouncing on him in CQC, and needed to heal. Now, with the groundwork being covered, what does this tell us well... 1. Sukuna wasn't protected by UV by Megumi's soul like some assumed, he was protected by his own Domain. **He only needed Megumi to let Mahoraga adapt.** 2. He wouldn't need to hold MS up for 3 minutes, as with him attacking UV inside, it would collaps faster. 3. He wouldn't get trounced by Gojo in CQC. This would lead to him not being injured enough for MS to collapse before UV did, leading to him not getting hit by UV. So, Sukuna and Gojo would begin their Domain battle. MS would destroy UV from the outside and the begining would be really exactly the same as in the actuall fight. But then Gojo would change the conditions of his Domain, he'll invert the durability of the outside and the inside. This would force Gojo and Sukuna to fight in CQC inside the Domain. But Sukuna would have activated DA and would actually be even with Gojo. He'll also attack the inside of UV, causing it to collapse sooner than 3 minutes, though he wouldn't have needed to as he would have lasted longer anyway. With UV destroyes 5 times, Gojo wouldn't be able to open his Domain anymore, while Sukuna casts a barrier around MS to trap Gojo and chip away at him until his RCT output dropped so low that MS could finish him. Now, it could ofcourse go different than this with Gojo perhaps taking other decisions than he did in the actuall fight due to 10S not being present. Maybe Fuga might actually cone into play at the end when Sukuna basically won already. Idk. Just wanted to give an honest explanation. Edit: Ok, so I reread the fight again and I'm really, really confused. Gojo mentions that he's confused why Sukuna fights him with DA inside the Domain and not with 10S. But Sukuna mentions that while not using DA in the Domain, he let Megumi adapt for him. So there were times in the Domain when Sukuna didn't use DA, and when he did. And Megumi is apperantly not able to adapt when Sukuna is using DA aswell. But Gojo didn't mention Sukuna not using DA, which is confusing. It was also mentioned that Infinity took a few spins to be adapted to, and UV is much, much more complicated then Infinity. So Sukuna probably spend as much time as possible with DA deactivated to be able to adapt to it, but again, Gojo didn't notice this. Maybe Sukuna only had DA active when he was in CQC with Gojo, and that's why Gojo didn't know that he had it deactivated? But that would point to Gojo being better than Sukuna in CQC and MS therefore still collapsing in 3 minutes. But Sukuna didn't attack the inside of UV, so he could have done it and not have had to have lasted 3 minutes? So from all this, my conclusion is that without 10S it would be a much more risky and less rewarding fight for Sukuna then without it. He would need to defend himself from Gojo for 3 minutes while simultaniously trying to attack the Domain. It could very well be possible that Sukuna manages to do that, but also that he doesn't manage to do that with Gojo laying down the heat on him. Simultaniously if he does succeed in removing UV while keeping MS, Gojo would still be a potential threat inside his Domain. But with 10S Gojo would much faster not becone a threat due to Mahoraga adapting to him, and Sukuna would also have the chance to learn something like Space Dismantle, but with only Shrine he wouldn't have had that oppertunity. It was still risky with 10S, but not as much as it would have been with only Shrine. So it would be a very high diff fight either way. So what I'm saying is, it's complicated as fuck.
As someone who is neither a sukuna or gojo glazer(I tend to push yuta, mahito and geto), Sukuna would have one and im getting sick of this debate
One? One what?
Won
Are they exchanging currency? Because Gojo would counter with one peso
Gojo litteraly fought sukuna in the beginning of the series had amps from Utahime and even made binding vows for him to even do black flash what do you mean he went in blind I'm convinced jjk fans don't read or watch there own series now š
Personally I believe Sukuna wouldāve won, having taken advantage of the fact he still has a full heal (assuming he can do that in Yujiās body) but heād be totally screwed against everyone else.
At this point thereās no reason to keep stating as to why Sukuna beats Gojo no matter what cause it goes through one ear and out the other
Well gojo didnt fight sukunas strongest form and still lost so itās kinda obvious
Meguna is stronger than 4arm Sukuna lol
nah
which would you prefer? 2 techniques with 2 arms, or 1 technique with 4 arms?
1 technique four arms and a way stronger body
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Strongest form losing to left-right-goodnight lmao, mahoraga would adapt to that shit
Listen Iām a Gojo glazer day 1 but Sukuna is 100% stronger even without the 10 shadows Also without the 20% boost given to Gojo he wouldāve been .1 second slower so he wouldnāt have gotten of the domain that helped him win the domain clash so heād run out of domains while Sukuna would still have some