Yeah, except Stafford outplayed Burrow and Jackson the last time they went head to head. Also burrow was injured and didn’t do much last year so he 1000% should be under Stafford
We can argue it. But I can also argue for why I’d rather have Burrow and Jackson.
Did Stafford outplay Burrow? Maybe. Did Burrow get sacked like 9 times? Also yes.
And technically the last time Stafford and Burrow went head to head Burrow was playing on one leg and beat us 19-16.
Of course you can argue it. We as a society have proven we have the ability to take any position and see it as viable. Did Stafford outplay Burrow. Absolutely. Burrow threw 1 td on probably the worst no call of a facemask in Super Bowl history. Is short Burrow did pretty much nothing and the only reason that was a game was because of a mistake. Now the game in 2023 burrow didn’t even throw a single td. And also had a qb rating worse than stafford. They won that game because of great kicking and mixon and not burrow.
All I’m saying is any opinion is acceptable. It’s a persons own feelings and choice. In facts land I never take Lamar or Burrow over Stafford. Lamar has proven he can have a solid team around him his whole career and can make every game about him shining. Burrow is young and bold and talented. Also been on nothing but good teams. Proven he can’t win it all and he doesn’t shine when things heat up. When things heat up. Stafford shines. Stafford has done more than both of them combined and is still operating at a higher level than both of them. It’s honestly disrespect for both of them to be above him. Honestly the only dude I have above Stafford is mahomes but again that dude has been hand fed the opportunity to shine. It would have been legit for Stafford to take over a consistent playoff team early in his career and see how many more rings he would have now. Stafford did the truth.
He absolutely shined in Detroit. Non of the lions teams were any good. He only had run support a single season with Reggie bush. Teams regularly destroyed the guy. The Vikings even set an all time sack record vs the lions while Stafford was the qb and the team only went scoreless a single time with very little talent on the field. There is a reason people are talking about all time greats like Brandon pettigrew, Eric Ebron, joique bell, etc. burrow and Jackson have talent everywhere. Stafford shined in a terrible situation. Shoot Stafford threw for 5k yards and 40 tds multiple times. Neither Jackson or burrow has done it a single time. And they have always been on good teams.
Stafford also didn’t have a left tackle (like literally he didn’t, the dude didn’t even try to stop the edge rushers) and the rams got hosed all game. Should’ve had a TD from tutu.
Yeah but Lamar is a shit show in the playoffs, dude doesn’t have what it takes and the numbers back that up. Staffords playoff numbers are dynamite. Much tougher to argue for Lamar and would also be the wrong answer if you’re trying to win a championship.
Eh we have to be realistic here Burrow is at least just as good and much younger than Stafford. He’s not injured right now when the list is made. Lamar has won 2 MVPs he’s not as good a passer but his legs make him absolutely more dangerous.
The issue I have with the list is the bottom half, most of that is dead wrong but whatever. Mostly dislike a lot of Simms’ stuff but he’s spot on with the top 20 hete
Awards mean nothing. Let’s look at the facts Lamar and burrow have been in great situations their whole careers. Lamar has as many playoff wins (2-4) as he has mvps. It’s a popularity award and not objective truth. He shrinks in the playoffs like other highly awarded qb’s like Rodgers. Look at the nba for a great example. Steve Nash has more mvps than Kobe. I’d never say Nash is anywhere as good as Kobe. Burrow has as many bad seasons as he has good season in a terrific situation. He doesn’t have the arm talent, football mind, or grit that Stafford has.
Burrow absolutely has the arm talent and might even be more accurate. This and considering Stafford is 36 I’d take Burrow every time. Steve Nash was an insanely good player who is extremely underrated by newer generations. He would be bonkers in today’s NBA. Is Stafford Kobe? I think he makes it into Canton but barely, and he’s 36. Kobe obviously one of the top 10-15 players of all time and even he diminished greatly with age (really that Achilles). MVPs mean Lamar was the best QB in the league, twice. Stafford has not been the best QB in the league ever and once again, much much older.
Let’s call him what he is, an aging but still elite QB who does have questionable throws in his arsenal. We can be happy with that.
I will argue Josh Allen and Burrow don’t deserve their own tier though
Yeah, Stafford is Kobe for sure. The guy is top 11 all time tds and yards in the nfl playing 12 years on trash teams with one solid teammate (megatron). Nash averaged 14 points a game and would play fine in today’s nba but he would be a sidekick just like he was during his real career. Kobe was a monster that would destroy in any generation. Lamar Jackson was voted the leagues best qb twice but that doesn’t mean he was. His last game vs the chiefs shows it. Mahomes played lights out while Jackson played poorly with a qb rating of 75. How can you be the leagues best qb but not be the leagues best qb? It’s not like the rams vs lions where Stafford outplayed Goff and they lost. Jackson played poorly and the ravens lost.
lol lost all credibility saying Nash was a sidekick I’m sorry. That D’Antoni offense revolutionized modern basketball. Nash would be a perennial mvp candidate today as he was then. I still remember that running corner 3 he nailed fading sideways with Kobe playing perfect defense on him in the 07 playoffs.
Stafford=Kobe is disrespectful to Kobe, even as a Stafford stan and someone who thinks Kobe gets massively overrated especially by Lakers fans. Kobe was the best SG in the league for long stretches. He won 4 rings. As much as I love Stafford it’s wild homer takes like this that make people disrespect Rams fans.
I mean, his career Amare was the guy and Nash was the distributor. Dantoni was a okay coach but really only thrived as a whole unit there in Phoenix. Stafford is exactly the same dawg that Kobe was. That’s what makes him great. The guys has all the talent in the world but grinds year after year. Only to be disrespected by rating always low on him.
No because of two points. Pickett didn’t throw a single td that game and also the terrible spot at the end in the Steelers favor. Guaranteed if Stafford gets the ball back like he should have he wins the game and score again.
Damn this puts Staff as the #1 QB in the NFC by a couple QBs, I’m not mad about it but pretty crazy when you put it in perspective. I think Love might be getting sold a little low after a playoff win against the cowboys in his first year without any big names at WR/TE.
I think Jackson being up there is fine, he's a stud and won a couple MVPs, but the emphatuation with Burrow and Allen is still kinda over the top. Burrow can't stay healthy since the SB and Allen turns the ball over like it's on fire
Jalen Hurts and Jordan Love are a little low but otherwise I like the list. Certainly happy Stafford is getting his rightful due respect again instead of everyone just saying he’s washed.
I like Lamar more than Josh, and I still get mad that Goff is behind Dak (even behind Hurts in this list wow). Purdy may be helped by great weapons, but he's established himself as a good QB and had more success than some QBs ahead of him. I think Kyler can have a bounce back year, always liked him.
Led the league in TDs, 3rd in yards, 2nd in QBR, highest completion % for QBs with over 300 attempts. I'm all for shitting on Dallas and their fans, but saying Dak is barely top 20 is laughable.
You really want dak prescott throwing a crucial 4th down play to save your season, or Herbert. The eyeball test is a lot more accurate than simply looking at the stat sheet.
You can throw up all the stats you want on a stacked offense, but at the end of the day it’s all about wins.
Again using stats.
Who has had a better supporting cast?
Did Herbert do more with less? Most definitely and it’s not close.
Again, the eyeball test tells me all I need to know.
Anthony Richardson is too low if he comes back alright from his injury. He was looking pretty good before he got hurt
 Never saw Lamar and Burrow do this.
Exactly smh
Yeah, except Stafford outplayed Burrow and Jackson the last time they went head to head. Also burrow was injured and didn’t do much last year so he 1000% should be under Stafford
Ikr, he's good but I see people glazing him WAY too much
We can argue it. But I can also argue for why I’d rather have Burrow and Jackson. Did Stafford outplay Burrow? Maybe. Did Burrow get sacked like 9 times? Also yes. And technically the last time Stafford and Burrow went head to head Burrow was playing on one leg and beat us 19-16.
Of course you can argue it. We as a society have proven we have the ability to take any position and see it as viable. Did Stafford outplay Burrow. Absolutely. Burrow threw 1 td on probably the worst no call of a facemask in Super Bowl history. Is short Burrow did pretty much nothing and the only reason that was a game was because of a mistake. Now the game in 2023 burrow didn’t even throw a single td. And also had a qb rating worse than stafford. They won that game because of great kicking and mixon and not burrow.
All I’m saying is Burrow and Lamar over Stafford is an acceptable opinion. People who put shit like Jordan Love over Stafford are clowns.
All I’m saying is any opinion is acceptable. It’s a persons own feelings and choice. In facts land I never take Lamar or Burrow over Stafford. Lamar has proven he can have a solid team around him his whole career and can make every game about him shining. Burrow is young and bold and talented. Also been on nothing but good teams. Proven he can’t win it all and he doesn’t shine when things heat up. When things heat up. Stafford shines. Stafford has done more than both of them combined and is still operating at a higher level than both of them. It’s honestly disrespect for both of them to be above him. Honestly the only dude I have above Stafford is mahomes but again that dude has been hand fed the opportunity to shine. It would have been legit for Stafford to take over a consistent playoff team early in his career and see how many more rings he would have now. Stafford did the truth.
Did Stafford not shine then for 13 years in Detroit using this logic?
He absolutely shined in Detroit. Non of the lions teams were any good. He only had run support a single season with Reggie bush. Teams regularly destroyed the guy. The Vikings even set an all time sack record vs the lions while Stafford was the qb and the team only went scoreless a single time with very little talent on the field. There is a reason people are talking about all time greats like Brandon pettigrew, Eric Ebron, joique bell, etc. burrow and Jackson have talent everywhere. Stafford shined in a terrible situation. Shoot Stafford threw for 5k yards and 40 tds multiple times. Neither Jackson or burrow has done it a single time. And they have always been on good teams.
Stafford has thrown for 5000 yards once and it took him 650+ throws
So, you think it’s a big negative that he is one out of 9 guys ever in the history of mankind to do this?
You said multiple times but it happened once Just weird to me to say burrow and Lamar have proven they can’t win when Stafford won zilch for 13 years
Stafford also didn’t have a left tackle (like literally he didn’t, the dude didn’t even try to stop the edge rushers) and the rams got hosed all game. Should’ve had a TD from tutu.
Yeah but Lamar is a shit show in the playoffs, dude doesn’t have what it takes and the numbers back that up. Staffords playoff numbers are dynamite. Much tougher to argue for Lamar and would also be the wrong answer if you’re trying to win a championship.
Eh we have to be realistic here Burrow is at least just as good and much younger than Stafford. He’s not injured right now when the list is made. Lamar has won 2 MVPs he’s not as good a passer but his legs make him absolutely more dangerous. The issue I have with the list is the bottom half, most of that is dead wrong but whatever. Mostly dislike a lot of Simms’ stuff but he’s spot on with the top 20 hete
Awards mean nothing. Let’s look at the facts Lamar and burrow have been in great situations their whole careers. Lamar has as many playoff wins (2-4) as he has mvps. It’s a popularity award and not objective truth. He shrinks in the playoffs like other highly awarded qb’s like Rodgers. Look at the nba for a great example. Steve Nash has more mvps than Kobe. I’d never say Nash is anywhere as good as Kobe. Burrow has as many bad seasons as he has good season in a terrific situation. He doesn’t have the arm talent, football mind, or grit that Stafford has.
Burrow absolutely has the arm talent and might even be more accurate. This and considering Stafford is 36 I’d take Burrow every time. Steve Nash was an insanely good player who is extremely underrated by newer generations. He would be bonkers in today’s NBA. Is Stafford Kobe? I think he makes it into Canton but barely, and he’s 36. Kobe obviously one of the top 10-15 players of all time and even he diminished greatly with age (really that Achilles). MVPs mean Lamar was the best QB in the league, twice. Stafford has not been the best QB in the league ever and once again, much much older. Let’s call him what he is, an aging but still elite QB who does have questionable throws in his arsenal. We can be happy with that. I will argue Josh Allen and Burrow don’t deserve their own tier though
Yeah, Stafford is Kobe for sure. The guy is top 11 all time tds and yards in the nfl playing 12 years on trash teams with one solid teammate (megatron). Nash averaged 14 points a game and would play fine in today’s nba but he would be a sidekick just like he was during his real career. Kobe was a monster that would destroy in any generation. Lamar Jackson was voted the leagues best qb twice but that doesn’t mean he was. His last game vs the chiefs shows it. Mahomes played lights out while Jackson played poorly with a qb rating of 75. How can you be the leagues best qb but not be the leagues best qb? It’s not like the rams vs lions where Stafford outplayed Goff and they lost. Jackson played poorly and the ravens lost.
lol lost all credibility saying Nash was a sidekick I’m sorry. That D’Antoni offense revolutionized modern basketball. Nash would be a perennial mvp candidate today as he was then. I still remember that running corner 3 he nailed fading sideways with Kobe playing perfect defense on him in the 07 playoffs. Stafford=Kobe is disrespectful to Kobe, even as a Stafford stan and someone who thinks Kobe gets massively overrated especially by Lakers fans. Kobe was the best SG in the league for long stretches. He won 4 rings. As much as I love Stafford it’s wild homer takes like this that make people disrespect Rams fans.
I mean, his career Amare was the guy and Nash was the distributor. Dantoni was a okay coach but really only thrived as a whole unit there in Phoenix. Stafford is exactly the same dawg that Kobe was. That’s what makes him great. The guys has all the talent in the world but grinds year after year. Only to be disrespected by rating always low on him.
One head to head game is meaningless for comparing QBs.
Stafford was the better qb both times he played vs the bengals and he was better than Jackson when they last played the rams.
Kenny Pickett outplayed Stafford when they met up last year. Is Pickett better?
No because of two points. Pickett didn’t throw a single td that game and also the terrible spot at the end in the Steelers favor. Guaranteed if Stafford gets the ball back like he should have he wins the game and score again.
Damn this puts Staff as the #1 QB in the NFC by a couple QBs, I’m not mad about it but pretty crazy when you put it in perspective. I think Love might be getting sold a little low after a playoff win against the cowboys in his first year without any big names at WR/TE.
I always hate seeing rookie QBs being put ahead of veteran qbs in rankings, like you really gonna tell me Bo Nix is better than Anthony Richardson?
Weird take when Richardson has played like 5 games himself. He’s a rookie too
Would you not take Richardson over Bo nix at this very moment ?
I would, it’s just not a good example of an unproven rookie ahead of decent veteran
In that case let’s go to number 39, Mr Gardner minshew. He is definitely decent
The thing about these lists is its a personal list. You don't have to agree with it.
Cousins way too high. I think he’s going to be absolutely awful
“But but but his nickname is Kirko Chainz”
Josh Allen isn’t no2 and I’ll die on that hill
Honestly I think Allen is 2 and there should be a tier break before 3. The gap between mahomes and then Allen and then everyone else is substantial
This list is actually good. Finally someone respects Stafford and doesnt have the one year stand, could be a fluke CJ Stroud in the top 5
I think Jackson being up there is fine, he's a stud and won a couple MVPs, but the emphatuation with Burrow and Allen is still kinda over the top. Burrow can't stay healthy since the SB and Allen turns the ball over like it's on fire
Herbert that high?
That was my thought, he's a little overhyped but one really good year could do a lot for him
I like his Stafford ranking at least
I really do like Herbert. He should be lower.
Herbert to high considering he lost all his weapons
1 to 14 is as close to my personal ranks I’ve seen. Beyond that, less sure
Jalen Hurts and Jordan Love are a little low but otherwise I like the list. Certainly happy Stafford is getting his rightful due respect again instead of everyone just saying he’s washed.
This maybe isn't even ranked, it's more about the way they clustered these guys
At least ONE of those first round draft QBs will be a bust. My guess is Penix.
I like Lamar more than Josh, and I still get mad that Goff is behind Dak (even behind Hurts in this list wow). Purdy may be helped by great weapons, but he's established himself as a good QB and had more success than some QBs ahead of him. I think Kyler can have a bounce back year, always liked him.
Why is Levis in the ready rookies category? And where is Drake Maye when every other 1st round rookie is lumped together aside from Caleb?
Prescott in the top 10 is a joke. Dude sucks. I would put him around 20 on the high end.
Led the league in TDs, 3rd in yards, 2nd in QBR, highest completion % for QBs with over 300 attempts. I'm all for shitting on Dallas and their fans, but saying Dak is barely top 20 is laughable.
And gets knocked out of the playoffs every year because, you know, he is a god send.
If you are going to include playoffs, then how is Herbert above him?
You really want dak prescott throwing a crucial 4th down play to save your season, or Herbert. The eyeball test is a lot more accurate than simply looking at the stat sheet. You can throw up all the stats you want on a stacked offense, but at the end of the day it’s all about wins.
Herbert is 30-33 for his career, he doesn't win
Again using stats. Who has had a better supporting cast? Did Herbert do more with less? Most definitely and it’s not close. Again, the eyeball test tells me all I need to know.
Tua is WAY too low
He definitely shouldn't be below Cousins. And he shouldn't be too far away from Prescott.
Dak is still way to high
Brissett is *still* in the league? God damn; I swear I’ve seen him play since like 2011 and even then, I thought he hit his quarterback ceiling.
He was a rookie in 2016 lol
How is Kyler #16 and the second best QB in the NFC West, I think he's probably the worst in the division.