MAKE THE OIL AND GAS COMPANIES PAY THEIR PROPERTY TAX!!!!
Sponsoring a few festivals isn’t even a drop in the bucket of the revenue that could be gained, and these festivals also allow them to pay less taxes!
We literally pay oil companies to “maintain” refineries that have been offline for two decades, because in the not totally circular logic with no defined goals, eventually they will reopen them when oil becomes profitable enough to support the plants. I am absolutely not joking the state pays them millions every year to not produce.
They also let them sell ones they don’t want to smaller companies, that end up going bankrupt (almost magically), and then the state is on the hook for cleaning up the well.
The only graduates from LSU, Tulane and Loyola that stay are the goddamn lawyers.
They spend their time bailing out rednecks and gang bangers.
All the other graduates move to California, New York, Atlanta or Chicago and tell us every Christmas how expensive it is and they miss the food but they ain’t coming back.
Get rid of these Republicans trying to make good on Antebellum BS.
I graduated, moved to Texas, California, and back to Texas in time for it to turn into a Nazi hell scape. I just moved to Wisconsin a week ago. Doubt I'll even go back to Louisiana to visit family now.
Thing is, snow is so commonplace here that they prepare in advance: plows, salt, snow tires on cars.
Basically, drive like you would in a torrential downpour: give extra space, apply brakes slowly, avoid puddles/ice patches/snow piles.
I'm due for a new car in a few months and plan to get AWD, but not sure it's entirely a necessity. Just happen to be on the market while I'm here, so partaking while the getting is good.
The more interesting thing I've noticed so far: recycling. I joined the Madison subreddit as soon as I found out I was moving here and found a few other Louisiana natives living here and they all said recycling was the biggest change they had to make.
Aside from that, the food here is GREAT, it's very Catholic, and they LOVE beer. It's a pretty cool place so far.
We just got recycling stations here in Cenla last year. I haul plastic bottles and cans there once a month or so. The zoo started taking cardboard and they use the money to fund their education programs
So, then coming to a place like this won't be as much of a shock from that angle. They take it VERY seriously up here. Putting things in the wrong recycling bin is akin to murdering children up here.
Governor is a Democrat and Wisconsin is traditionally a swing state, so it's legit 50/50.
Funny thing is that the last governor was a Republican and signed into law the ability for the governor to have all kinds of powers they wouldn't normally have. It allowed this current governor to redraw more fair district maps and veto all kinds of bullshit laws any Republican tries to push through. He's saved all kinds of shit from going haywire. He's pretty great. I like him a lot so far.
The biggest issue is that we moved here from Texas and my husband is Hispanic. We would get threatened at the grocery store for just being there and Texas is trying to pass this law that would, in essence, make my husband practically illegal. We can grocery shop in peace now and don't have to worry about him existing while being brown.
Well then, good thing we're on track to run OB/GYN doctors out of the state, stigmatize and torment LGBTQ Louisianians, protect child-raping priests, and force display of the Ten Commandments in public schools! We'll be roaring back in no time at all!
In 1920, NOLA had 385K people living there. Making it one of the most thriving cities in America. 100 years later, 369K live there. Making it one of the rapidly dying cities in America.
If we could go back to the powerhouse financial urban area of 1920 NOLA, we'd be 🏆!
They tormented and stigmatized a straight guy in Shreveport who was holding off on finding a woman til his money got better. Now he's gone. AND HES DOING WAY BETTER.
We should ban abortion, lgbtq people, public school funding and increase access to guns harder then to see if that helps.
We number 1 in gumbo tho and they can’t take that from us.
Let's tackle the REAL issues that are hurting our state! Like LSU women's basketball players not being courtside during the National Anthem!! Priorities please 🙏🏽 Thanks Gov Jeff 🏀
I've grown okra in my garden and there's a bunch of different types, but the one I had grew to be 10 Ft tall . So yeah, even if it's not a actual tree those bitches get big
No, we want to throw felons off the high rise, but your 8 year old kid can have as many as he wants. Oh, and also, let's not teach them gun safety. Get as much lead in the air as possible. It's the only way we can stop the Exodus.
Why am I not surprised? It's almost like the Republicans chase off people who would otherwise love to visit with their draconian hateful bullshit. Most travelers don't like visiting places that excuse the catholic church abusing kids and keep people from sueing them.
Just to fact check here...the governor for the last 8 years was not the state AG.
That's who got in the way of holding priests accountable.
Because the AG of that time period is currently the governor, you may now blame the current governor for letting pedo priests off the hook.
Jeff Landry is the state's largest problem. I thought Jindal was as bad as it could get, but I was wrong. Both are worse for our state than Katrina.
To be fair Edward's was a bit of a tool too honestly. One thing I've learned is that it doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum they're on. Louisiana politicians are crooked as hell
At least your legislation has their priorities in check with /s
Priests’ ‘right’ to not be sued for damages by sexual abuse victims upheld by La. Supreme Court
https://www.ktalnews.com/news/louisiana/louisiana-state-supreme-court-finds-old-civil-claims-against-priests-violates-their-property-rights-per-state-constitution/
Title altered because it said High court instead of Supreme Court
> I hope those old farts kick the bucket soon
Louisiana Laws - Louisiana State Legislature. A. (1) Every judge shall retire upon reaching the age of seventy years. If he has served as judge of a court of record for twenty years, he shall receive full pay for life.
OR after serving 20 years as a judge but to exceed the age 83 years old.
That's the problem, it isn't. We let the oil and gas companies off the hook on so much, stuff like property tax, that we lose out on a lot of potential money that could help further our infrastructure.
How? They don't pay any taxes on any extraction or for the property so all they have is wages and they only employ 1.5% of the population.
Hospitality, and sales tax account for the majority of state income. New Orleana is the single largest contributor. That's before you consider that hospitality and food employ 10% of the population and they all pay into the tax pool.
So no. Oil doesn't do anything for the state. new Orleans Tourism keeps this shit hole from drowning in its own filth.
Think the real question is how much of the wages come from Petro jobs though? Petro jobs pay pretty good, significantly more than hospitality and food jobs do. I don't disagree though. If they taxed properly, Louisiana would have a lot more capital to use for things we sorely need.
Petro jobs have stagnated in Louisiana while service jobs have grown. At 1.5 to 10.5% it would mean petro jobs would need to pay 90% tax to compare to a 10% tax of others which we all know isn't the case.
There just sint any there, there. Stop listening to billionaires stealing from you I'm exchange for mid jobs and no economic supports.
It means that Petro workers would need to make 90% more and pay the same tax rate you mean? Because that's actually close to the case based on average income. Not getting into progressive tax rates (I struggle with that enough on an annual basis).
The average hospitality worker in Louisiana makes $38,500 annually, food service $23,620. While the average Petrochemical worker makes $58,484.
I'm getting off topic here though. I agree with you on the main point, corporations getting away without paying their fair share of taxes is slowly killing Louisiana.
I was just illusutsitng that in sheer tax base perto has one to every 10 of hospitality. Even with lower wages from.hospitiality their volume makes up significantlymor while the taxes from their higher wages don't come close.
10 workers at 38k with 10% tax rate is 38k
1 worker at 58k with 90% tax rate is 52k
We know progressive tax caps at 4.25% it's impossible for petro to come even close.
The majority of income is from OTHER states, and then hospitality and alcohol sales, then property taxes (which petro doestn pay), then state income tax (which they are only 1% of total pop) and then corporate taxs.
Petro does nothing for the state. It's contributions are rounding errors.
This is factually wrong. The state government subsidizes some oil production but the amount of non petroleum services that feed in to oil are staggering. Think keeping the a/c at the plant on, replacing roads, ect that generate jobs in the state. Tourist is a huge plus but the petrochemical production is a $3 billion a year industry and it’s not close.
Source: https://revenue.louisiana.gov/Publications/LDR_Annual_Report%20(2020-2021).pdf
Edit: I love how I’m getting down voted for fact checking. Maybe this audited report from the state is wrong and all the reported tip tax revenue is keeping the lights on?!
The majority of the ancillary service you are refenceing exists to support the much larger hospitality and retail industries.
Most plants don't have AC and the roads are there to support logistics from the port. Majority of.petroloym products are transported via pipelines which... Gasp, don't pay property taxes
Edit: did you even read your own link? The single largest contributor to the tax base was alcohol, hospitality, and sales tax.... which the majority come from.... NOLA
Wanted to point out another misconception in your comment. “A majority of sales tax comes from New Orleans.” Even when you include Metarie in the New Orleans figures, it’s still less than half the states hospitality revenue which further disproves your point. Source: https://www.crt.state.la.us/Assets/Tourism/research/documents/2022-2023/Louisiana%20Parishes%20Spending%20Report%202021%20Final%20REV.pdf page 18 for when you want to fact check me.
You’re not including the corporate tax from oil companies.. I’m talking roads in plants, construction companies building them, construction machine sales, surveys, oil and rig service companies. Plants 100% have air conditioners, have you heard of osha? It’s 104 degrees in the summer and with FRE on you would heat stroke out in minutes.
Edit: here’s better links that outlines industries with % of total state GDP. https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/cross-center-initiatives/state-and-local-finance-initiative/projects/state-fiscal-briefs/louisiana#:~:text=National%20per%20capita%20general%20revenues,university%20tuition%20and%20highway%20tolls
Petrochemical products account for > 13% of the GDP, retail is around 7.5% and the 13% doesn’t include construction within the chemical industry.
Yout link.littlery has corporate taxes as the lowest form of income for the state even after individual tax revenue.
Every single source you pro petro people sight just keeps reinforcing my point that peteo doesn't bring much to the state in terms of income, particularly when compared to the damage and loss of.natursl habitat that it causes, or the health risks for the people who live near these facilities that taxpayers ultimately pay for via medicare.
This source clearly proves my point: https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/cross-center-initiatives/state-and-local-finance-initiative/projects/state-fiscal-briefs/louisiana
This is my last comment, I’m going watch the masters. Let’s agree that the pels need to wax the lakers and move on with our day.
That's a mistake. The oil industry normally supports half or more of the states tax income. That and all that supports the oil industry. And don't forget the tax on every gallon of oil pumped through the LOOP Facility. That platform never shuts down. So maybe a little more research?
Im not sure tourism reaches the top 10 for Louisiana sectors. Unless you combine all O&G and Chemical Manufacturing together.
Maybe top 10, top 5 would be surprising.
13.1% of jobs in louisiana. 25.8B in labor income 10.7 direct and 15 indirect 21% of states economy. And btw cutie patootie avery island also supports louisiana economy its not just that shit hole called new orleans. Go look up how many businesses worth billions are out of fourchon Louisiana compared to new orleans. Be quiet next time buttface
Because some people like to live differently than us. Some people like big cities, making tons of money, better education, better infastructure.
And a lot of Louisiana citizens just want a little house, a pickup truck, crawfish boils/fishing/hunting/drinking with their buddies and a cute wife. That’s all a lot of us need to be happy.
A lot of people want a way different life in other parts of the country. Different cultures for different folks.
I’ve only lived in LA since 2004, but idk if this is solely the Republicans’ fault. This state has been a complete and total shit hole forever, under leadership from administrations belonging to both parties. It’s one of the most politically corrupt and morally bankrupt places in the country. Has there ever been a period of time when Louisiana wasn’t a terrible place?
It's sad funny when people blame both parties when the proof always shows when the leader is Democrat, the Republicans do everything they can to make sure nothing changes for the better or succeeds and all they do is Hinder as much as possible, then the Republicans say "see democrats can't lead" like you motherfucker sabotage everything on purpose just to be able to say Democrats can't lead or change anything. Then when republicans are on in charge as leader as they fucking do is think about what's in a trans woman's underwear, deny employment protections, make it so you can't sue a priest for molesting your kids, and all the other horrific things they do on purpose then deny deny deny and deflect.
I’m not excusing anything or defending Republicans here - I have a young child and would appreciate a state agenda geared more toward improving the abysmal education system here vs focusing on issues that aren’t anywhere close as important. Having said that, it’s demonstrably true that politicians from both parties in this state suck. Wasn’t there a former 3-term Democratic governor convicted of racketeering and fraud who spent time in prison? You don’t have to convince me that this state’s Republicans are complete garbage.
That's the whole thing though, they want terrible education systems so all the dumb ass rednecks vote Republican and are easily programmed by college degree hitting holding politicians.
You're a moron for thinking there wasn't a Republican governor for decades in this state's history. You're just all boo hoo Democrat and trying to to be uppity deflective without ever adding anything relevant to anything to you say.
We have had a Republican Senate AND House since 2011. You know, the two parts of the government that actually write and vote on laws and policies? Who can override what a governor says about a bill they write and pass?
They've had over 13 years of control now. They could easily have changed the course on anything they really wanted to. Especially on economic matters. But they would rather fill their own pockets and only pass stuff that benefits their benefactors.
John Bel Edwards had 8yrs to change that. I don’t think Landry will make a difference but I want to call that out because some people will get on here and blame Edwards for it.
Personally I think it was probably that asshat Jindal that did the most damage to the state.
Edwards spent a lot of his time in office trying to moderate or outright vetoeing the right-wing shit legislation that they kept trying to pass. Sometimes he was successful, sometimes not. Now the brakes are gone and they're going to make Louisiana a right-wing, shit-show "paradise". Landry, in his dim country coon-ass mind, thinks he can out MAGA Abbot and DeSantis and become the rising star of the insane right. Louisiana was already struggling to stay afloat. Now it's got a boat anchor tied to a leg.
There was a video I think in the Louisiana subreddit that explained why Louisiana was so awful economically
IIRC one of the wealthiest zip codes for economic throughput has the poorest residents- it essentially boiled down to a super condensed form of American capitalism where the only economic advantage and benefit is afforded to businesses.
Maybe someday that money will trickle down.
[Found the Video!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RWTic9btP38)
I like Louisiana. Most of us just want a little house, fishing poles, rifles, a sweet little Cajun wife and we are happy. (Of course not everyone, but I’m happy here and have no plans on moving to a big city.)
Such pride in their ignorance of " we're gonna do it the Louisiana way...not like them other states do it! Now let's all eat gumbo and wear purple shirts even tho I never attended LSU." Geaux GOP!!
Yea let's destroy more oil field jobs, that seems to be doing our state a lot of good!! Thanks government!! Tired of all this trickle down bs. We need to be more like Texas.
That John Bel was great wasn't he? Too bad people vote by party labels and not competence. Few people know that Garrett Graves bailed JBE's ass out several times.
Well dummy, reread my post, where did I say that he did? The governor doesn't have to craft legislation, that's what his legislative leaders are for. If Landry tell them he wants a bill to outlaw oral sex, they'll be one on the floor with a few days.
I spend time at the legislature, friends with a lot of people with both parties, except Landry, I am definitely on his shit list. All this culture war crap is a waste of time, They have serious business to attend to, instead they are playing moral police.
Now Landry, to get back at Graves, is trying to carve up BR into 4 congressional districts, if BR doesn't have enough problems. St. George is going to happen even if the La. Supreme Court rules against it. When the 2016 flood hit JBE was newly in office, he and his team didn't have the slightest idea of how to get the federal funds. Graves offered to send in his team, who knew how and who to get the funds, and promised he would take no political credit. He stuck to his word, very few people outside of the Capitol are aware of this. You may hate all Republicans, or not like a bill Graves voted for, but to the flood victim, he was a godsend.
Sorry, I didn't realize you were interested in real conversation. I just responded to your low effort comment in kind.
JBE kept the Republican legislature's culture war agenda in check somewhat. I don't think he's to blame for our economic situation, which is what I thought your sarcastic comment was implying. Now that we've got a MAGA trifecta running the state, we are truly screwed.
JBE is not to blame, but he didn't make any progress either. Landry is going to be a shit show, however I have met many of the new legislators, I have some guarded optimism, in spite of Landry, they can make things better if they stick to the game plan. Landry will toot the MAGA horn and waste time on culture war BS, but I think he will rubber stamp some things we need done. Late on a Saturday evening I'm not going to get too specific, but I don't take this MAGA stuff seriously.
Quite a bit on economic issues, JBE just didn't try to move forward. For instance, there is a bill now to reduce the inventory taxes on businesses, they are what I call "a get out tax". What I mean by that is that the business that is lost, far exceeds the revenue gained. Inventory taxes are telling businesses, the more you bring to Louisiana, the more we will punish you.
JBE could have had that bill on his desk at anytime, but he would have vetoed it. Another are all these boards that 'regulate' industries. From funerals to hair braiding, all they do is keep prices high and protect the current businesses from competition. Every black girl learned how to braid hair when they we children, but the La. Board of Cosmetology says they have to be licenses and trained at great expense. Did JBE ever do anything for them? No.
Many of those board are going to disappear in the next 2 years, they are a target of many of the new legislators. I have hope that these new people won't take the bribes from the boards and do their job.
Just because JBE was a Democrat, they defend him. He was not fit for the office and did a very poor job.
Did you see where the Republican lawmakers went around Landry for the summer lunch program? Landry turned down $71M in federal funds, the GOP guys circumvented him and got the money.
We beat out West Virginia and Mississippi for dead last!
Yeah! We're number ONE at being last! LOUISIANA!
Louisiana: proud to call it last.
MAKE THE OIL AND GAS COMPANIES PAY THEIR PROPERTY TAX!!!! Sponsoring a few festivals isn’t even a drop in the bucket of the revenue that could be gained, and these festivals also allow them to pay less taxes!
We literally pay oil companies to “maintain” refineries that have been offline for two decades, because in the not totally circular logic with no defined goals, eventually they will reopen them when oil becomes profitable enough to support the plants. I am absolutely not joking the state pays them millions every year to not produce.
They also let them sell ones they don’t want to smaller companies, that end up going bankrupt (almost magically), and then the state is on the hook for cleaning up the well.
\*surprised Pikachu face\*
That'd be good. But, even better - make churches pay taxes.
You'd get a lot more money from petro corporations that deplete our potable water supply.
With all the natural resources in Louisiana, we should be one of the richest states!
The only graduates from LSU, Tulane and Loyola that stay are the goddamn lawyers. They spend their time bailing out rednecks and gang bangers. All the other graduates move to California, New York, Atlanta or Chicago and tell us every Christmas how expensive it is and they miss the food but they ain’t coming back. Get rid of these Republicans trying to make good on Antebellum BS.
I graduated, moved to Texas, California, and back to Texas in time for it to turn into a Nazi hell scape. I just moved to Wisconsin a week ago. Doubt I'll even go back to Louisiana to visit family now.
I wanna move north but I’m concerned about driving in snow more than twice a year 🤔
Thing is, snow is so commonplace here that they prepare in advance: plows, salt, snow tires on cars. Basically, drive like you would in a torrential downpour: give extra space, apply brakes slowly, avoid puddles/ice patches/snow piles.
Is awd a necessity?
I'm due for a new car in a few months and plan to get AWD, but not sure it's entirely a necessity. Just happen to be on the market while I'm here, so partaking while the getting is good.
I work for a dealer right now… will definitely consider upgrading from fwd before I leave the state or when the gettin is good, whichever comes first.
The more interesting thing I've noticed so far: recycling. I joined the Madison subreddit as soon as I found out I was moving here and found a few other Louisiana natives living here and they all said recycling was the biggest change they had to make. Aside from that, the food here is GREAT, it's very Catholic, and they LOVE beer. It's a pretty cool place so far.
We just got recycling stations here in Cenla last year. I haul plastic bottles and cans there once a month or so. The zoo started taking cardboard and they use the money to fund their education programs
So, then coming to a place like this won't be as much of a shock from that angle. They take it VERY seriously up here. Putting things in the wrong recycling bin is akin to murdering children up here.
How are the politics compared to down here?
Governor is a Democrat and Wisconsin is traditionally a swing state, so it's legit 50/50. Funny thing is that the last governor was a Republican and signed into law the ability for the governor to have all kinds of powers they wouldn't normally have. It allowed this current governor to redraw more fair district maps and veto all kinds of bullshit laws any Republican tries to push through. He's saved all kinds of shit from going haywire. He's pretty great. I like him a lot so far. The biggest issue is that we moved here from Texas and my husband is Hispanic. We would get threatened at the grocery store for just being there and Texas is trying to pass this law that would, in essence, make my husband practically illegal. We can grocery shop in peace now and don't have to worry about him existing while being brown.
Well then, good thing we're on track to run OB/GYN doctors out of the state, stigmatize and torment LGBTQ Louisianians, protect child-raping priests, and force display of the Ten Commandments in public schools! We'll be roaring back in no time at all!
Yep...the important issues!!
Back to the 1920s, here we come!
Just in time to celebrate 100 years of excellence /s
In 1920, NOLA had 385K people living there. Making it one of the most thriving cities in America. 100 years later, 369K live there. Making it one of the rapidly dying cities in America. If we could go back to the powerhouse financial urban area of 1920 NOLA, we'd be 🏆!
You forgot that we can all just drop a pistol in our back pocket with zero training or vetting come July.
That's one of the few good things.
AND YOU BETTER NOT FUCKING VAPE
They tormented and stigmatized a straight guy in Shreveport who was holding off on finding a woman til his money got better. Now he's gone. AND HES DOING WAY BETTER.
The left and right deserve eachother.
We should ban abortion, lgbtq people, public school funding and increase access to guns harder then to see if that helps. We number 1 in gumbo tho and they can’t take that from us.
Oh man I know most of this is sarcsm from you but, I miss Gumbo
Let's tackle the REAL issues that are hurting our state! Like LSU women's basketball players not being courtside during the National Anthem!! Priorities please 🙏🏽 Thanks Gov Jeff 🏀
Yeah, I suppose we could make a roux out of rice flour. And okra literally grows on trees 😎😋
They do ?? 🤯🤣
I've grown okra in my garden and there's a bunch of different types, but the one I had grew to be 10 Ft tall . So yeah, even if it's not a actual tree those bitches get big
Except that a pot of gumbo costs like $100 to make these days.
Wait. Does that mean felon can have guns? Yaaaay!!!
No, we want to throw felons off the high rise, but your 8 year old kid can have as many as he wants. Oh, and also, let's not teach them gun safety. Get as much lead in the air as possible. It's the only way we can stop the Exodus.
Why do you hate freedom? Are you a communist?
Lol I guess you needed the /s. Edit: or maybe I do.
We coonasses from Louisiana. He’s being serious. We love this shit! Freedom baby!
But we ain’t got no homos in our bathrooms!
Pee safe friend
"Don't be pee shy any longer: Move to America's toilet!"
Underrated comment of the day!
I think pissing in a shared urinal is more gay
Are you kidding? Been to Walmart or home depot lately?
Despite all the massive "give a ways" to big corporations.....Hmmmmm.
We must continue to protect the corporations from the will of the people and environmental concerns. Profit before progeny!
Why am I not surprised? It's almost like the Republicans chase off people who would otherwise love to visit with their draconian hateful bullshit. Most travelers don't like visiting places that excuse the catholic church abusing kids and keep people from sueing them.
They want to maintain the status quo
To be fair, we had a Democratic Governor for the last 8 years.
Just to fact check here...the governor for the last 8 years was not the state AG. That's who got in the way of holding priests accountable. Because the AG of that time period is currently the governor, you may now blame the current governor for letting pedo priests off the hook. Jeff Landry is the state's largest problem. I thought Jindal was as bad as it could get, but I was wrong. Both are worse for our state than Katrina.
To be fair Edward's was a bit of a tool too honestly. One thing I've learned is that it doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum they're on. Louisiana politicians are crooked as hell
We’ve had a Democratic governor for 8 years…
Learn about how government works. State AND Federal. Until then, STFU.
Louisiana's low rating have nothing to do with left/right.
At least your legislation has their priorities in check with /s Priests’ ‘right’ to not be sued for damages by sexual abuse victims upheld by La. Supreme Court https://www.ktalnews.com/news/louisiana/louisiana-state-supreme-court-finds-old-civil-claims-against-priests-violates-their-property-rights-per-state-constitution/ Title altered because it said High court instead of Supreme Court
I hope those old farts kick the bucket soon
> I hope those old farts kick the bucket soon Louisiana Laws - Louisiana State Legislature. A. (1) Every judge shall retire upon reaching the age of seventy years. If he has served as judge of a court of record for twenty years, he shall receive full pay for life. OR after serving 20 years as a judge but to exceed the age 83 years old.
no shit. new orleans is holding the entire state on its back
No lol the oilfield is
That's the problem, it isn't. We let the oil and gas companies off the hook on so much, stuff like property tax, that we lose out on a lot of potential money that could help further our infrastructure.
How? They don't pay any taxes on any extraction or for the property so all they have is wages and they only employ 1.5% of the population. Hospitality, and sales tax account for the majority of state income. New Orleana is the single largest contributor. That's before you consider that hospitality and food employ 10% of the population and they all pay into the tax pool. So no. Oil doesn't do anything for the state. new Orleans Tourism keeps this shit hole from drowning in its own filth.
Think the real question is how much of the wages come from Petro jobs though? Petro jobs pay pretty good, significantly more than hospitality and food jobs do. I don't disagree though. If they taxed properly, Louisiana would have a lot more capital to use for things we sorely need.
Petro jobs have stagnated in Louisiana while service jobs have grown. At 1.5 to 10.5% it would mean petro jobs would need to pay 90% tax to compare to a 10% tax of others which we all know isn't the case. There just sint any there, there. Stop listening to billionaires stealing from you I'm exchange for mid jobs and no economic supports.
It means that Petro workers would need to make 90% more and pay the same tax rate you mean? Because that's actually close to the case based on average income. Not getting into progressive tax rates (I struggle with that enough on an annual basis). The average hospitality worker in Louisiana makes $38,500 annually, food service $23,620. While the average Petrochemical worker makes $58,484. I'm getting off topic here though. I agree with you on the main point, corporations getting away without paying their fair share of taxes is slowly killing Louisiana.
I was just illusutsitng that in sheer tax base perto has one to every 10 of hospitality. Even with lower wages from.hospitiality their volume makes up significantlymor while the taxes from their higher wages don't come close. 10 workers at 38k with 10% tax rate is 38k 1 worker at 58k with 90% tax rate is 52k We know progressive tax caps at 4.25% it's impossible for petro to come even close. The majority of income is from OTHER states, and then hospitality and alcohol sales, then property taxes (which petro doestn pay), then state income tax (which they are only 1% of total pop) and then corporate taxs. Petro does nothing for the state. It's contributions are rounding errors.
This is factually wrong. The state government subsidizes some oil production but the amount of non petroleum services that feed in to oil are staggering. Think keeping the a/c at the plant on, replacing roads, ect that generate jobs in the state. Tourist is a huge plus but the petrochemical production is a $3 billion a year industry and it’s not close. Source: https://revenue.louisiana.gov/Publications/LDR_Annual_Report%20(2020-2021).pdf Edit: I love how I’m getting down voted for fact checking. Maybe this audited report from the state is wrong and all the reported tip tax revenue is keeping the lights on?!
The majority of the ancillary service you are refenceing exists to support the much larger hospitality and retail industries. Most plants don't have AC and the roads are there to support logistics from the port. Majority of.petroloym products are transported via pipelines which... Gasp, don't pay property taxes Edit: did you even read your own link? The single largest contributor to the tax base was alcohol, hospitality, and sales tax.... which the majority come from.... NOLA
Wanted to point out another misconception in your comment. “A majority of sales tax comes from New Orleans.” Even when you include Metarie in the New Orleans figures, it’s still less than half the states hospitality revenue which further disproves your point. Source: https://www.crt.state.la.us/Assets/Tourism/research/documents/2022-2023/Louisiana%20Parishes%20Spending%20Report%202021%20Final%20REV.pdf page 18 for when you want to fact check me.
You’re not including the corporate tax from oil companies.. I’m talking roads in plants, construction companies building them, construction machine sales, surveys, oil and rig service companies. Plants 100% have air conditioners, have you heard of osha? It’s 104 degrees in the summer and with FRE on you would heat stroke out in minutes. Edit: here’s better links that outlines industries with % of total state GDP. https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/cross-center-initiatives/state-and-local-finance-initiative/projects/state-fiscal-briefs/louisiana#:~:text=National%20per%20capita%20general%20revenues,university%20tuition%20and%20highway%20tolls Petrochemical products account for > 13% of the GDP, retail is around 7.5% and the 13% doesn’t include construction within the chemical industry.
Yout link.littlery has corporate taxes as the lowest form of income for the state even after individual tax revenue. Every single source you pro petro people sight just keeps reinforcing my point that peteo doesn't bring much to the state in terms of income, particularly when compared to the damage and loss of.natursl habitat that it causes, or the health risks for the people who live near these facilities that taxpayers ultimately pay for via medicare.
I’m not agreeing with oil companies, just pointing out that your wrong and you have yet to point to one quantitative statistic the back of your claim.
You can just look to the links in the thread. None support petro as being a larger source of income than tourism.
This source clearly proves my point: https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/cross-center-initiatives/state-and-local-finance-initiative/projects/state-fiscal-briefs/louisiana This is my last comment, I’m going watch the masters. Let’s agree that the pels need to wax the lakers and move on with our day.
That's a mistake. The oil industry normally supports half or more of the states tax income. That and all that supports the oil industry. And don't forget the tax on every gallon of oil pumped through the LOOP Facility. That platform never shuts down. So maybe a little more research?
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54.3 Billion GDP FOR LOUISIANA. Later buddy. Go do some mathing
Im not sure tourism reaches the top 10 for Louisiana sectors. Unless you combine all O&G and Chemical Manufacturing together. Maybe top 10, top 5 would be surprising.
X to doubt.
13.1% of jobs in louisiana. 25.8B in labor income 10.7 direct and 15 indirect 21% of states economy. And btw cutie patootie avery island also supports louisiana economy its not just that shit hole called new orleans. Go look up how many businesses worth billions are out of fourchon Louisiana compared to new orleans. Be quiet next time buttface
No. The oilfield doesn’t make nearly as much as the people selling watermelon on the side of the road in the summer
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Uh I don’t think they’re a woman
And New Orleans isn’t even that great of a city either.
Shithole. I finally escaped
LOL, who told you that BS?
*gasp* Why is everything about Louisiana always so negative in tbis sub? . /s
Shhh, there's a benefit to this.
Because some people like to live differently than us. Some people like big cities, making tons of money, better education, better infastructure. And a lot of Louisiana citizens just want a little house, a pickup truck, crawfish boils/fishing/hunting/drinking with their buddies and a cute wife. That’s all a lot of us need to be happy. A lot of people want a way different life in other parts of the country. Different cultures for different folks.
If only this state didn’t solely survive off of a slowly dying industry.
I. Am. Just. So. Surprised. By. This. 😂 Republicans make this state absolutely garbage
I’ve only lived in LA since 2004, but idk if this is solely the Republicans’ fault. This state has been a complete and total shit hole forever, under leadership from administrations belonging to both parties. It’s one of the most politically corrupt and morally bankrupt places in the country. Has there ever been a period of time when Louisiana wasn’t a terrible place?
It's sad funny when people blame both parties when the proof always shows when the leader is Democrat, the Republicans do everything they can to make sure nothing changes for the better or succeeds and all they do is Hinder as much as possible, then the Republicans say "see democrats can't lead" like you motherfucker sabotage everything on purpose just to be able to say Democrats can't lead or change anything. Then when republicans are on in charge as leader as they fucking do is think about what's in a trans woman's underwear, deny employment protections, make it so you can't sue a priest for molesting your kids, and all the other horrific things they do on purpose then deny deny deny and deflect.
I’m not excusing anything or defending Republicans here - I have a young child and would appreciate a state agenda geared more toward improving the abysmal education system here vs focusing on issues that aren’t anywhere close as important. Having said that, it’s demonstrably true that politicians from both parties in this state suck. Wasn’t there a former 3-term Democratic governor convicted of racketeering and fraud who spent time in prison? You don’t have to convince me that this state’s Republicans are complete garbage.
That's the whole thing though, they want terrible education systems so all the dumb ass rednecks vote Republican and are easily programmed by college degree hitting holding politicians.
We’ve had a republican governor for 2 months… surely it couldn’t have been the last 8 years with a democrat in office. Dumb ass
You're a moron for thinking there wasn't a Republican governor for decades in this state's history. You're just all boo hoo Democrat and trying to to be uppity deflective without ever adding anything relevant to anything to you say.
We have had a Republican Senate AND House since 2011. You know, the two parts of the government that actually write and vote on laws and policies? Who can override what a governor says about a bill they write and pass? They've had over 13 years of control now. They could easily have changed the course on anything they really wanted to. Especially on economic matters. But they would rather fill their own pockets and only pass stuff that benefits their benefactors.
Watch how much faster the shitshow picks up speed with the red team in office statewide. Dumb ass.
John Bel Edwards had 8yrs to change that. I don’t think Landry will make a difference but I want to call that out because some people will get on here and blame Edwards for it. Personally I think it was probably that asshat Jindal that did the most damage to the state.
Don't forget we have a reptilic legislature. So Edwards was only able to do so much.
Also very much true. JBE was an amazing moderate and fair politician IMO.
The Legislature passes laws. All the Governor can do is either sign or veto them
lol just wait Nazi Jeffrey will make everyone think Jindal was great
Edwards spent a lot of his time in office trying to moderate or outright vetoeing the right-wing shit legislation that they kept trying to pass. Sometimes he was successful, sometimes not. Now the brakes are gone and they're going to make Louisiana a right-wing, shit-show "paradise". Landry, in his dim country coon-ass mind, thinks he can out MAGA Abbot and DeSantis and become the rising star of the insane right. Louisiana was already struggling to stay afloat. Now it's got a boat anchor tied to a leg.
DUH!!! NO SHIT!!! I live here, anyone who wants to really get ahead has hustle their ass off!
Good job
Nice
I thought our Republican legislators could do no wrong!?
Not surprised. We come in 49 for everything but I really think we should be top ten for festivals, music, food and our love of life.
Maybe not the love of life thing. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/15/upshot/why-does-louisiana-consistently-lead-the-nation-in-murders.html
Let me re-phrase: our love for good times!! Like, we really do like having fun with family and friends.
Examine fbi crime stats and you will see exactly what the problem is.
Poverty?
Ferme La bouche
And water is wet
But #1 in consistency!
I'm surprised we're that high
How a state with so much natural resources can end up like this beats me.
I do not have a single surprise at this news. This is what happens when the Governor is elected by 18% of registered voters.
There was a video I think in the Louisiana subreddit that explained why Louisiana was so awful economically IIRC one of the wealthiest zip codes for economic throughput has the poorest residents- it essentially boiled down to a super condensed form of American capitalism where the only economic advantage and benefit is afforded to businesses. Maybe someday that money will trickle down. [Found the Video!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RWTic9btP38)
Yes. It's a very informative video. Ive often referred to it.
I like living here. That's all.
Amen brother, just let us have guns, fishing, drinking, and cute Cajun girls. Why would I need anything else? I’m happy as could be.
Only going to get worse
no surprise there
No surprise there! 😒
Maybe they should start putting out more speed traps
That's really no surprise.
If they would only get rid of those damn inspection stickers! /S
Imagine how much money we’d be rolling in if our legislators weren’t busy sucking the oil industry’s dick all day
I tried to stimulate their economy but they threw me out of two casinos
Lousy management and a greedy oligarchy.
Look who is running the state
Congratulations
I like Louisiana. Most of us just want a little house, fishing poles, rifles, a sweet little Cajun wife and we are happy. (Of course not everyone, but I’m happy here and have no plans on moving to a big city.)
Republicans
Such pride in their ignorance of " we're gonna do it the Louisiana way...not like them other states do it! Now let's all eat gumbo and wear purple shirts even tho I never attended LSU." Geaux GOP!!
But petro chem business is boomin!
This is compelling, but the source is problematic - the high water mark of propaganda.
Yea let's destroy more oil field jobs, that seems to be doing our state a lot of good!! Thanks government!! Tired of all this trickle down bs. We need to be more like Texas.
That John Bel was great wasn't he? Too bad people vote by party labels and not competence. Few people know that Garrett Graves bailed JBE's ass out several times.
The governor doesn't craft legislation, dummy.
Well dummy, reread my post, where did I say that he did? The governor doesn't have to craft legislation, that's what his legislative leaders are for. If Landry tell them he wants a bill to outlaw oral sex, they'll be one on the floor with a few days. I spend time at the legislature, friends with a lot of people with both parties, except Landry, I am definitely on his shit list. All this culture war crap is a waste of time, They have serious business to attend to, instead they are playing moral police. Now Landry, to get back at Graves, is trying to carve up BR into 4 congressional districts, if BR doesn't have enough problems. St. George is going to happen even if the La. Supreme Court rules against it. When the 2016 flood hit JBE was newly in office, he and his team didn't have the slightest idea of how to get the federal funds. Graves offered to send in his team, who knew how and who to get the funds, and promised he would take no political credit. He stuck to his word, very few people outside of the Capitol are aware of this. You may hate all Republicans, or not like a bill Graves voted for, but to the flood victim, he was a godsend.
Sorry, I didn't realize you were interested in real conversation. I just responded to your low effort comment in kind. JBE kept the Republican legislature's culture war agenda in check somewhat. I don't think he's to blame for our economic situation, which is what I thought your sarcastic comment was implying. Now that we've got a MAGA trifecta running the state, we are truly screwed.
JBE is not to blame, but he didn't make any progress either. Landry is going to be a shit show, however I have met many of the new legislators, I have some guarded optimism, in spite of Landry, they can make things better if they stick to the game plan. Landry will toot the MAGA horn and waste time on culture war BS, but I think he will rubber stamp some things we need done. Late on a Saturday evening I'm not going to get too specific, but I don't take this MAGA stuff seriously.
Serious question: what could a governor hope to accomplish with a hostile legislature?
Quite a bit on economic issues, JBE just didn't try to move forward. For instance, there is a bill now to reduce the inventory taxes on businesses, they are what I call "a get out tax". What I mean by that is that the business that is lost, far exceeds the revenue gained. Inventory taxes are telling businesses, the more you bring to Louisiana, the more we will punish you. JBE could have had that bill on his desk at anytime, but he would have vetoed it. Another are all these boards that 'regulate' industries. From funerals to hair braiding, all they do is keep prices high and protect the current businesses from competition. Every black girl learned how to braid hair when they we children, but the La. Board of Cosmetology says they have to be licenses and trained at great expense. Did JBE ever do anything for them? No. Many of those board are going to disappear in the next 2 years, they are a target of many of the new legislators. I have hope that these new people won't take the bribes from the boards and do their job. Just because JBE was a Democrat, they defend him. He was not fit for the office and did a very poor job.
Did you see where the Republican lawmakers went around Landry for the summer lunch program? Landry turned down $71M in federal funds, the GOP guys circumvented him and got the money.