I hate it because their "both MCs are canon" come off as hypocritical and either they say that or not, it just feels like they're indirectly saying that I basically chose the wrong character at the start of the game.
Also what really annoys me is that saying this in the main sub gets you downvoted for some reason. I guess you're not allowed to go against the word of daddy hoyoverse over there.
i actually didn’t even know this subreddit existed, but i felt the need to vent so bad. i was writing the same post on the main subreddit and every word i typed i was like “…uh… there surely must be a less blood thirsty way to go about this… hmm, lumine mains will definitely understand” so i looked it up and found this place! because had i posted this on the genshin’s main i don’t think i would have made it out alive💀💀 aether players are FERAL man
For sure. Idk if it's only Aether players though. I got the "I chose Lumine and don't care" reply several times. But yeah, in the past couple of months, whenever Lumine players are complaining, or simply expressing their opinion, an army comes and insults them. Also downvoting them to oblivion.
I will never understand why they made the choice to use Aether as the poster boy. His design is pretty Abyss themed to me, Lumine is much more Celestia themed in comparison. It just feels wrong seeing him as the traveler.
I really like Lumine's design and that's why I choose her. But I think MHY should've go more "50/50" with the twins' design/image. As it stands now, it really looks like Lumine is on team celestia and Aether is on team abyss. Maybe they're being too obvious with the twins' images so there can be a plot twist. Even if this were the case, I still would have gone with a more mixed image for the twins.
(If sentences read a bit funny/strange, English is not my first language and I'm lazy to check grammatic 🤣)
They did. They actually showed Lumi as the Traveler during CBT and weeks before release.
https://youtu.be/5DuZblVxG3I?si=q5IpABpc6-sm-qfj
https://youtu.be/kuLkPigM8Mg?si=UBbzMbHhs0i-M-sv
https://youtu.be/gGMvTL9AedQ?si=jXFtRP3hqWCs5HEa
For sure, there's some MKT stuff with Lumine. But I think OP meant there's less materials and Lumine is less often portrayed as the MC of Genshin. After all, those videos are 4 years old...
I think MHY should have 2 versions of all MKT materials. I don't think it would be "that much more expensive". Or at the very least, split it 50/50.
My understanding of that comment was that HoYo didn't think about switching between characters from the beginning. I decided to show that they did that first, but later decided to switch to portraying the "official story." Means, it was their choice rather than an accidental decision
I don't play High Speed Rail (I know HSR is MYH's game...). Can you switch in game? I mean, you can play one day with one MC and the next day with the other...? Or is more like "this mission has to be played with the other MC" and then you go ahead and play with the other MC? I'd be more than satisfied if that were the case. If it just for MKT materials, that wouldn't be bad at all...
Nope you can't switch mcs after choosing one in game. But the trailers rotate between both mcs. If the female MC was shown in one trailer, the next trailer is guaranteed to have the male trailblazer so on and so forth.
I don't Genshin gets any sort of rotation for MKT materials. I haven't seen any Lumine trailer in a while. I think the last one was that FPS animated short, and that's not even related to the actual game events, quests, etc...
Fr she has white which is usually depicted as the "good" side but she's the abyss twin... Didn't they used to have her as the mc? I swear I remember seeing one ad where Paimon and Lumine run towards that opening to see Mondstadt. And there was also the first lantern rite cutscene where Lumine was the mc in that vid too...
She has an Inteyvat flower in her hair. It's canonically only on the abyss twin. In the cutscene if lumine is the traveler when she finds the inteyvat and doesn't know what it is it breaks the immersion because she should know the flower she wears on daily basis on her head. That's why it's most likely they always planned for Ather to be the typical gatcha MC but gave the choice to players to make everyone somewhat happy.
But in the recent animated short we can see that Aether placed those flowers on Lumine's hair. They were both travelling together in Teyvat back then, until I assume the war breaks out. So they try to leave and that's where we continue as the traveler. The flower just proves that the twins were there before the cataclysm. It doesn't mean that one is the canon abyss twin or traveler. And hoyo hasn't made any big changes for both travelers depending on who you chose. There are only small differences between their preferences. Otherwise the dialogue choices are practically the same. It's just like hoyo themselves have said, both of them are canon travelers and abyss twins.
Yes, but the point is that traveler twin doesn't remember so has no knowledge about the flower after waking up. You can't look at the flower and forget you have one like that in your hair. I'm just saying mihoyo made the decision at the stage of creating their character models and giving lumine inteyvat as a decoration.
Aether also remembers the flower when you see his dialogue option in the Dainsleif chasm quest. They both remember it. Besides even if one used to be canon while the other isn't, it won't matter anymore because hoyo themselves said that they're both canon later on.
The way I saw it was that the chess motif is pretty big in Genshin (the Gnosis + the Fatui metaphor in the Lazzo video). In Chess white goes first. Lumine wears white so she is the one that got to go on the journey first and become the Abyss Twin. Aether who wears black, goes second and so is the "canon" MC in terms of marketing, even if in-game there is no real canon MC
If they truly mean it when they say that both are canon, and not just something they said to make fans feel okay about using both, then they might reveal some weird time loop or cycle thing in-game.
But I think the fact that they aren't dressed with the same colour scheme is more than just an aesthetic choice but to show thematically which twin is the Abyss Twin and which is the MC at least from the perspective of marketing and extra game material, while as far as the player is concerned it can be either.
You are not the only one. Personally, it just feels kinda awkward having her be the "villain". her personality is way too bubbly to be the bad guy. Aether just seems....there.
I feel the same way as you tbh. I’ve never really seen this situation in other games where they try to push one mc over the other like this when initially they gave us the option to choose. Feels like false advertising to me, like why even give me the option if you are gonna take it away?
Personally I adore Lumine and Paimon’s relationship, they are like sisters and their girly bond is something I adore but showing Aether to be the one travelling with Paimon instead annoyed me.
To me Lumine is the mc, I’ve played for too long and I mained Lumine for so long, I just cannot think of her as the abyss twin.
literally *this*. their relationship is just so precious, and leaving aside who’s canon who’s not and what no i just wish more people gave a shot to playing with lumine because i truly think it’s a beautiful experience. some people say lumine fits better the “evil” role because she’s colder and i think that’s precisely what makes her unsuitable for it. i have watched the scene where we encounter our sibling both from lumine’s and aether’s perspective and when i tell you lumine as the abyss princess did not give an f* about us😭😭 yet aether was about to burst into tears when he saw us. and that’s exactly how it should be imo. the abyss sibling is not supposed to be “evil”, is not supposed to be dismissive. they’re actually supposed to care for us deeply and be carrying a great burden by being away from us. that just makes aether softness’s so fitting to the role. while lumine’s stoicism and coldness makes her journey one of growth, that really allows for her pure, hidden feelings to shine
I like both MC and abyss version but it does feel like a scam that she's not portrayed as MC often. There are so many Lumine players yet Hoyoverse only represent her as an MC when it comes to merchs, never in trailers and rarely on graphic posters. The recent web event that will make you like a Dark Souls player pissed me off because Aether's avatar was free while Lumine's avatar you gotta to beat the game just to get it. Also, it took them 3 years to give us the confirmation that the feather on Lumine's head is an earring! Three effing years! How miserable the lack of Lumine content that it took THREE fcking years for that confirmation. Hoyoverse should be embarassed by that realization.
See?? It's ridiculous that it took 3 years to know this LMFAO I really thought it was a feather pierced in her head like part of a wing due to her in-game model. Conspiracy theories made it like a foreshadow or an easter egg 😭😂
OMG someone who also has beef with that event! I played for HOURS trying to get to the end but I couldn't. I gave up in the end. I hate that they made the already not loved mc's frame be way more annoying to get. While all Aether lovers had to do was just share the page. Couldn't they have at least made it easier by depending on which mc we chose, the frame will be the traveler we chose at the start? Which means Lumine travelers can get their Lumine pfp, they can play the game to get Aether's pfp. And Aether Travelers will get their Aether pfp when they share and play the game if they want the Lumine pfp. Or a simple fix, MAKE BOTH OF THEM AVAILABLE AFTER SHARING THE PAGE. No hate to Aether mains btw I'm just talking about the dumb decision hoyo did there.
Right?! They really tested Lumine players' patience in that web event. It also leaves a bitter taste because I don't find it as a compliment that we chose a "special character" just to access that avatar/pfp reward rather than getting it simply from sharing it. Because what do they mean special? Like an unlocked character type of shit when she's also there from the start of the game. Annoying marketing strategy. The subtle mocking to Lumine players and subtle hinting who is the "default" MC.
What? Lumine continues to have merchandise. For example, [this figure was released just a couple of months ago.](https://myfigurecollection.net/item/1601942) [Plus here’s random official merchandise available for preorder featuring Lumine](https://genshin.global/product/genshin-cleaning-machine-official-merch/)
It was announced in 2022 (like two years ago), and several times rescheduled for release (which is not something uncommon for figurines). I wouldn't use merch from 2022 as an example.
Especially, when Aether has new puzzles, wallscrolls, photo prints and so on.
No new art with Lumine - no new merchandise.
Meanwhile, this was a Domino pizza collab with Aether exclusive art.
https://sea.ign.com/genshin-impact/190310/news/genshin-impact-collabs-with-dominos-pizza-to-bring-gamers-emergency-food
I have a pretty long list of Aether exclusive merchandise actually, compared to Lumine exclusive. Every time they release merch with Lumine they release similar merch with Aether, but they've never released Lumine only merch.
I had edited my comment, but [here is some official merchandise of Lumine being released.](https://genshin.global/product/genshin-cleaning-machine-official-merch/) Also there was that Exhibition art released last year. So yes there is still merchandise of her being created, but you’re definitely correct that there is more merch featuring official art of Aether which is unfortunate.
I sure am. Tbh, I saw the leaked 4.7 artwork, with Aether awake and Lumine sleeping, which gave me hope they're going to show the other version of the story (cause the Abyss twin woke up first). Had the thought in the back of my head that it's only a fake hope, but maybe not. Ever since Fontaine came out, I decided to not watch any official videos from Genshin. When they show up on the feed, I select the "don't recommend" option. I also unfollowed their official accounts everywhere. But I decided to watch "The Road Not Taken" when I got home from work. Big disappointment once again. Being tired also affected my mood, but wrote a feedback right away. The CS team is probably tired of me at this point.
A lot of people point out that it's less confusing this way, or that it'll be to redundant having 2 version. However, look at HSR switching between the MCs Than, they say it's because the not-selected MC has no role, unlike Genshin. Well, there are other games promoting both MCs, despite that. Pokemon has been doing that for long time, even for the games where the not-selected MC becomes a rival. I've also heard of a game called Astral Chain, where the MC you don't pick becomes an antagonist. And they don't play favorites either.
Being only official media is one thing, but they don't put Lumine in tutorials anymore either. She only appears in some very old ones, like "Swirl" or "Elemental Burst". Even the Aranyaka book shows only Aether, no matter who you play as. This is the worst kind of disregarding half of the playerbase. It's like the game tells us "you should play as Aether". Consistency is non-existing for Lumine players.
Thats why hoyo switching between honkai MCs without a care since they are the same people ( think about wearing clothes. It doesn't change who you are). However in genshin, they are two different people. I think Hoyo sadly chose Aether before even the game got published, ( potentially in the manga) despite Lumine being the most picked choice by players. One possible reason is probably coz it's a bit flexible to work around with Aether in this fight-oriented game, getting rag-dolled here and there without anyone thinking about it twice.
I gave examples of games where the MCs are different people as well: Pokemon series and Astral Chain, that use both of them. Even in HSR, we are not completely sure Stelle and Caelus are the same person, just gender bent. Because Silver Wolf makes a point that Kafka choosing the receptacle is important. That's a poor excuse imo.
They don't show Aether getting rag-dolled in any trailer. And in the artworks, he just chills with the cast.
You know what’s weird. These games- GI, HSR, WuWa, all seem to just work better with the female MC. I can’t explain it, but there’s things in GI for example that makes me think “this would seem weird with Aether”. Again do not ask what and why, because I don’t know myself.
i understand how you feel. in my case, aether as the mc just feels so cliche, like a classic isekai harem protagonist. lumine not only feels like a breath of fresh air as a hero, it think her femininity suits very well the journey of the traveler, considering the big majority of the cast is female and also considering the soft, feminine nature of the game. her relationship with paimon is adorable. her color palette really harmonizes with the scenery when exploring. and it also gave us some jewels like xiaolumi. also ayaka’s story quest with lumine felt literally revolutionary to me, she was giving full revolutionary girl utena. and with aether it felt like it could have been an extract from any isekai anime really
Yes. Lately I've been trying to come to terms with it... I don't want my enjoyment of future projects like these and the anime to be hundred by what was ultimately a choice that they never should've given to players.
I'm also annoyed at how people respond to "both mc's are canon, mihoyo said so" with "it's just a customer friendly email from tech support don't take it seriously" when the argument they use for Aether being canon may just as easily be explained away by saying "he only appears more often for marketing consistency don't take it seriously."
For what it's worth, they do go to great lengths in-game to ensure if you chose Lumine then the entire experience will solidify that choice and have her well and truly be the Traveler. Her model in cutscenes, she/her pronouns in voiced and unvoiced dialogue, etc. In the end, our own gameplay experience is what matters and for the most part your choice as Lumine is validated and respected in the game itself
(Also ngl.... watching that short yesterday has made me a bit curious on the dynamic between abyss sibling Lumine and Dainsleif.... It's quite mysterious and captivating I must admit)
right, i think if they were simply gonna pretend the other option for mc didn’t exist they should have simply done a complete self insert. like we all get the same character as the abyss sibling and you basically get to create your own traveler. they would have saved themselves so much trouble, specially with the manga and the anime. also i must admit that i feel the same way about lumine’s and dainsleif’s relationship.. i guess yes you could say it’s uhhh captivating👀👀👀 specially if you go on pinterest, like you will leave that place a baptized shipper😭😭
sad, annoyed. why even give player a chance to choose? tbh, if Lumine didn't exist I would play this game. lucky me, I only watch a few second of their short animation, so the rest didnt exist in my memory. Lumine still the main traveler for my brain.
omg i’m glad someone shares my dread i thought i was just being sensitive😭😭😭 but people really underestimate the level of attachment that you get to the traveler you choose. i just love lumine i’m sorry, not only is she my girl i oftentimes see myself in her which is part of why i have become so fond of genshin. to take her away is to take a core part of the game away. it’s just not the same game for me
Everytime I get an in-game tutorial, I feel sad. Its frustrating and invalidating. Even birthday posts give me dread. I've stopped consuming Genshin media so as not to feel bad. On the other hand, seeing Lumine FINALLY get portrayed as the MC gives a major happiness boost
You are right, I understand your frustration even if I personally don't give a damn. Since 1.0 they used Aether for every artwork like event or version. We all know the truth : they don't care
It irks me, too. I like both of them and see them as different characters, but I think both could be in either role. It seems the Abyss sibling has undergone a transformation due to their experience and that works for both Aether and Lumine, who both seem to have been sweet and warmhearted siblings. So I don't know why they so consistently have only Aether in their promo material as the Traveler and Lumine as the Abyss sibling. u.u I want to see Lumine smiling more.
The whole marketing thing makes me think Aether is the protagonist and Lumine is the antagonist (aka villain) in the story. While I think that allowing the player to choose the villain is a good move, being intentional dubious is not.
The other option is that the marketing department is super biased and they just like Aether better. (Also, I refuse to believe marketing materials portraying Lumine wouldn't work as good...)
Yes it does.
However I also understand that the non-chosen twin will also become the Abyss Sibling so they have to keep consistency.
However as much as I like Lumine being my PC, I also really like her being the Abyss Sibling as well because she comes off as being so much colder. Strange taste I have, huh…
It's fine.
To me, Aether comes off as kinda creepy, so I always prefer seeing Lumine. That said, Hoyovese wants to keep a certain level of consistency in their advertising, and branding is more important than anything.
The consistency thing is weird since HSR swaps around their MC often but I don't see anyone getting confused over it. I get that in those other games the other MC option doesn't exist in the story unlike here, but they can surely think of something
i was just hoping that at least, since aether got to star in the manga, we could have lumine to star in the anime but it’s very unlikely. that way it would not be as important wether lumine appears in promo and trailers or not because at least we got that one thing u know? like up until now it had not bothered me that much but the anime thing felt like a kick in the balls, that shit hurtttttt
i think having a male protagonist surrounded by women all the time, even if the character himself has not done anything in particular, can sometimes come off as weird or creepy. tho personally i think aether is a cutie patootie, which is why is so moving and tragic to see him as the abyss sibling. if you compare which one of two would suffer more the role of the abyss sibling, you just know it’s aether.
The same thing can be said about lumine
I mean I understand I like her too and I want hoyo to give her more attention but to say aether is a creep just because you don’t like him is a bad take
i literally said aether is a cutie patootie. i never said i find him creepy, i just said that having a male protagonist surrounded by women all the time can sometimes come off as creepy. that’s the thing, that with lumine you don’t get that same harem vibe because, first, almost the entirety of the cast is female so when people see two characters of the same gender they don’t instantly asume romantic / sexual interest, but rather friendship. also considering the context of that same dynamic for opposing genders being extremely common in games / anime. not because aether himself is a creep, but because your brain through pattern recognition instantly draws the similarities and goes there.
Meh not really I don’t see him as that or lumine they have their own personality and if people really wanted to see things like that the gender of the mc isn’t really gonna stop them
Bruh, that's such stupid problem, which mhy (if they wanted) coul fix in two minutes. Just switch both characters in trailers as they did in, *cough *cough, hsr. Somebody may tell, that there are no opposing twin etc, but it would state that both characters are canon, and solve lots of problem. For example, i always enjoy playing as female characters, and realising that MY journey through world isn't canon, because i selected NON-canon character makes me want to quit the game. I'll see what mhy will do next, but currently, as consumer, i am very displeased of what i am receiving. If they don't want to improve something, there is one and most effective way to make them — money
that’s exactly how i feel!! why say both are canon if then you’re just gonna ignore one of them almost entirely? it feels so invalidating, specially when they could just 50/50 their promos, trailers, etc. my guess is that since we are a minority they really don’t want to catch fire from aether players, specially considering how vocal about aether being the mc they are
Awkwardly enough, that's not even the case. Lumine and aether are nearly equal, with Lumine been a bit more popular, at least from charts i looked in. So either mhy are cracked on something, or (which is more believable) they are just lazy to do something about integrating both twins as "canon" traveler and just dgaf about this, since they receive money anyway
really? omg everytime i try to say anything on reddit / instagram about lumine being just as valid as an mc i get ROASTEDDDDDDDD to hell and back, i would have never guessed she was so popular but i’m happy to know, you just made me smile :’)
Won't tell you about Instagram (since i don't use it) but at least redditors think that they are main part of community. Since there could be many of them, but they are not whole community, they aren't even greater part of community, they are just one aspect of it
My thought is that they don't have Development account with Lumine so it explains a little reason why tutorial keep skipping to use Lumine in there. Even though I know it's unreasonable reason and I agree with you that it's a little problem that they could fix under 2 minutes. They just lazy.
look, I'm a Lumine propagandist for life. But people show Aether as the canon MC for a reason, because he really is. Explain the flower in Lumine's hair if not, how would she have an Inteyvat if she's never been to Khaenri'ah before. The community likes her because her design is peak, not because she's the real MC.
they were more careful in Star Rail to not add as many details like this, but they still blundered early on in like 1.3 when Caelus ends up finding a picture of Stelle with his friends while Stelle doesn't find Caelus replacing her when she finds the same image. Stelle was already the favorite child of the community, cementing her as the real Trailblazer when they went through great lengths to differentiate their ult animations fucked them over in a lot of ways so they made it a point to integrate them both into most of their Penacony advertisements, even having them on-screen at the same time for promotional artwork and animations. They fought to ensure Caelus mains weren't alienated, and thus far it seems to have paid off.
What are you talking about? Both siblings have been to Khaenri'ah. The Traveler says they remember it, regardless of which sibling you choose. It's literally in the first Dain quest we had.
so basically the siblings arrive on teyvat and the sibling we choose, in this case lumine, falls asleep for an unspecified amount of time for unknown reasons. eventually aether manages to wake her up and tells her that they need to leave, with both of them watching the destruction of khaenri’ah. when they try to leave the sustainer of the heavenly principles tries to stop them, and you see this is the catch, lumine is *already wearing those flowers during the fight*, so they are not related to their individual journeys through teyvat. i’m not sure if you play lumine or not, but the explanation they give if you play her is that aether put them on her hair while she was asleep, which imo is just so much more tragically beautiful than her just collecting them and putting them on by herself. also i understand that mihoyo as the devs have the right to choose a designated mc, but the thing is mihoyo themselves have stated that basically the sibling you choose is the mc as both are just as canon, which is why it feels like such a punch in the guts to just get so invalidated and be fed breadcrumbs by them almost the entirety of the time
Wait, you're up to date on the archon quest right? I know it's just a patch-up, but Aether left an Inteyvat to Lumine before she woke up after 500 years.
I don't think that flower thing is what you say. If she was the antagonist altogether then why would they let us play as her the whole story showing her as the protagonist? It's looser than that.
I don't really think we can talk about "the real MC" either, but you do you.
It’s always so weird for me to imagine a world where Lumine is the MC. Like, I’ve spent so much time as Aether, I can’t even imagine it. Yet there’s a whole side of the fanbase that feels the exact same way as me, but reversed. I feel for y’all.
see that’s why i think they should either make a version of everything for both twins or at least 50/50 the promotional content. i could simply ask for lumine to be portrayed as the mc, but because i understand how invalidating it is to not have content with the sibling you chose as the mc, even though for ME personally lumine is the superior option at the end of the day i believe is a matter of subjectivity and that both experiences should be equally valid and supported. i don’t think aether players deserve to experience that, in the same way i don’t think we deserve it either. if only mihoyo cared lol
And what reasons do you have for Aether being canon? He shows up more? Someone else stated in their comment, you can write that off as "he shows up more for consistency, stop coping" just like you do with Lumine
For people who'd like to say that Lumine is the main character because customer support said so.
This is what people got a few years ago from Russian customer support. HoYo than investigated that and changed their answers, but still
https://preview.redd.it/4yfic0qzpt2d1.jpeg?width=1196&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33217d2f3c91f32c6026f57605ac373d983acef5
so your argument is that a few years ago someone from customer support gave an incorrect answer, then mihoyo found out and made sure no one gave the same incorrect answer again? if aether had truly been the mc mihoyo wouldn’t have been bothered by customer support telling players
They started to give standardized answers. Probably people were complaining about Lumi exclusion unstoppably, especially Chinese players.
Customer support info is just their strategy of crisis management to calm down Lumine players.
They started to do this in a more professional manner after a huge uproar, when PV with Nahida and Aether was released. That's when they started to write more standardized answers every time they f***ed up with Lumine.
Personally, I believe that after the release they stopped considering Lumine to be the real MC, otherwise we wouldn't have that conversation over and over again for more than four years.
A lot of what you just said is based upon your own opinions though, not actual facts. Like saying customer support is just their strategy of crisis management. Unless you work at Hoyo, we cannot say how they view their customer service or tell them what to write. We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes.
Also Lumine was featured as the MC before and after the game was released. Before Genshin was released, Lumine was featured frequently as the traveler. [There was concept art that featured Lumine with Paimon.](https://x.com/Genshin_Kineli/status/1354621908491395084) There were videos of her in the traveler role, [here](https://youtu.be/5DuZblVxG3I?si=hQGn9X5s9FDNlPEC), [here](https://youtu.be/gGMvTL9AedQ?si=naUUOI0BiURMNAL-), [here](https://youtu.be/kuLkPigM8Mg?si=4Su3K19igyaUj3p5), [here](https://youtu.be/KZSM0jEZ43I?si=u-G55IW-Kx28N_EZ), and [here](https://youtu.be/62xgOohZbLY?si=P1Ax-E_oKTT8vHPk). After the release, there was promotional art of her, front and center, for the Liyue story promo, which can be viewed [here](https://www.facebook.com/Genshinimpact/posts/closed-beta%E4%B8%A8testers-wantedlocated-in-the-east-of-teyvat-liyue-is-a-bountiful-har/595623114621216/). Also when they announced that Genshin was coming to the PS4, there were was an official [Lumine version](https://x.com/SIEK_PlayGround/status/1300706068788518913). Plus she was the only traveler presented in the web event Stone Harbor Treasure Journal in-game and in the [short comics and mini event with Venti](https://x.com/Genshin_Kineli/status/1537243229716086784).
Also I’m not a dev at Hoyo, so in my opinion, I find it difficult to believe the company would spend years developing this game and then suddenly months after the game released just go “oh, Lumine as MC sucks! Let’s forget about her!” They still view her as the MC, which is of course evident in the actual game itself (cutscenes, hangout, web events) and the random official art that is released. They just decided to use Aether as the Traveler for most of the trailers/promo, and I cannot say why they made this decision. Does it upset me? Absolutely. It sucks, because the antis use this as “proof” that there is an official/canon traveler. It’s the usual BS that usually goes with games that give players a choice in picking their characters.
If I’m remembering right, this was not an actual customer service response and was in fact just an edit someone made. So not official. There was a Twitter post about it a couple of years ago.
I've never seen anyone claim it to be an edit. I'll appreciate if you provide me more info about that. As I remember correctly it was a female player from Russia who got this answer, but I haven't remembered them claiming it to be edited.
However, I've been complaining about Lumi since Version 1.2 (Aether+Albedo event banner), and can say that HoYo hasn't come with a standardized response about Lumi until after Nahida's PV.
I would have to do some digging. It’s been a couple of years, so unsure if I will be able to find it. If I do, I will link it here. Also I’m curious what this standardized response is from customer service. Is this consistent every time you write to them? Are other players from different countries receiving the same response?
Tbh nah, I see it as fine in my opinion aether has always been the main protagonist I love Lumine and her design but tbh to me aether has always felt like the mc im not bothered if Lumine isn’t featured as the main protagonists in trailer and demos and stuff but it’s nice to see that once in a while in official art
I hate it because their "both MCs are canon" come off as hypocritical and either they say that or not, it just feels like they're indirectly saying that I basically chose the wrong character at the start of the game. Also what really annoys me is that saying this in the main sub gets you downvoted for some reason. I guess you're not allowed to go against the word of daddy hoyoverse over there.
i actually didn’t even know this subreddit existed, but i felt the need to vent so bad. i was writing the same post on the main subreddit and every word i typed i was like “…uh… there surely must be a less blood thirsty way to go about this… hmm, lumine mains will definitely understand” so i looked it up and found this place! because had i posted this on the genshin’s main i don’t think i would have made it out alive💀💀 aether players are FERAL man
For sure. Idk if it's only Aether players though. I got the "I chose Lumine and don't care" reply several times. But yeah, in the past couple of months, whenever Lumine players are complaining, or simply expressing their opinion, an army comes and insults them. Also downvoting them to oblivion.
I will never understand why they made the choice to use Aether as the poster boy. His design is pretty Abyss themed to me, Lumine is much more Celestia themed in comparison. It just feels wrong seeing him as the traveler.
I really like Lumine's design and that's why I choose her. But I think MHY should've go more "50/50" with the twins' design/image. As it stands now, it really looks like Lumine is on team celestia and Aether is on team abyss. Maybe they're being too obvious with the twins' images so there can be a plot twist. Even if this were the case, I still would have gone with a more mixed image for the twins. (If sentences read a bit funny/strange, English is not my first language and I'm lazy to check grammatic 🤣)
Yea hsr switches between both trailblazers so genshin could do the same too. But hsr came later so maybe they didn't think about switching mcs.
They did. They actually showed Lumi as the Traveler during CBT and weeks before release. https://youtu.be/5DuZblVxG3I?si=q5IpABpc6-sm-qfj https://youtu.be/kuLkPigM8Mg?si=UBbzMbHhs0i-M-sv https://youtu.be/gGMvTL9AedQ?si=jXFtRP3hqWCs5HEa
For sure, there's some MKT stuff with Lumine. But I think OP meant there's less materials and Lumine is less often portrayed as the MC of Genshin. After all, those videos are 4 years old... I think MHY should have 2 versions of all MKT materials. I don't think it would be "that much more expensive". Or at the very least, split it 50/50.
My understanding of that comment was that HoYo didn't think about switching between characters from the beginning. I decided to show that they did that first, but later decided to switch to portraying the "official story." Means, it was their choice rather than an accidental decision
I don't play High Speed Rail (I know HSR is MYH's game...). Can you switch in game? I mean, you can play one day with one MC and the next day with the other...? Or is more like "this mission has to be played with the other MC" and then you go ahead and play with the other MC? I'd be more than satisfied if that were the case. If it just for MKT materials, that wouldn't be bad at all...
Nope you can't switch mcs after choosing one in game. But the trailers rotate between both mcs. If the female MC was shown in one trailer, the next trailer is guaranteed to have the male trailblazer so on and so forth.
I don't Genshin gets any sort of rotation for MKT materials. I haven't seen any Lumine trailer in a while. I think the last one was that FPS animated short, and that's not even related to the actual game events, quests, etc...
Yea genshin doesn't do what hsr is doing. I kinda wish they did tho. It would be way more fun that way :D
Fr she has white which is usually depicted as the "good" side but she's the abyss twin... Didn't they used to have her as the mc? I swear I remember seeing one ad where Paimon and Lumine run towards that opening to see Mondstadt. And there was also the first lantern rite cutscene where Lumine was the mc in that vid too...
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That makes sense!
She has an Inteyvat flower in her hair. It's canonically only on the abyss twin. In the cutscene if lumine is the traveler when she finds the inteyvat and doesn't know what it is it breaks the immersion because she should know the flower she wears on daily basis on her head. That's why it's most likely they always planned for Ather to be the typical gatcha MC but gave the choice to players to make everyone somewhat happy.
But in the recent animated short we can see that Aether placed those flowers on Lumine's hair. They were both travelling together in Teyvat back then, until I assume the war breaks out. So they try to leave and that's where we continue as the traveler. The flower just proves that the twins were there before the cataclysm. It doesn't mean that one is the canon abyss twin or traveler. And hoyo hasn't made any big changes for both travelers depending on who you chose. There are only small differences between their preferences. Otherwise the dialogue choices are practically the same. It's just like hoyo themselves have said, both of them are canon travelers and abyss twins.
Yes, but the point is that traveler twin doesn't remember so has no knowledge about the flower after waking up. You can't look at the flower and forget you have one like that in your hair. I'm just saying mihoyo made the decision at the stage of creating their character models and giving lumine inteyvat as a decoration.
Aether also remembers the flower when you see his dialogue option in the Dainsleif chasm quest. They both remember it. Besides even if one used to be canon while the other isn't, it won't matter anymore because hoyo themselves said that they're both canon later on.
I'd rather not have Lumine than being constantly reminded that I made the wrong choice and deserve less that Aether players
The way I saw it was that the chess motif is pretty big in Genshin (the Gnosis + the Fatui metaphor in the Lazzo video). In Chess white goes first. Lumine wears white so she is the one that got to go on the journey first and become the Abyss Twin. Aether who wears black, goes second and so is the "canon" MC in terms of marketing, even if in-game there is no real canon MC If they truly mean it when they say that both are canon, and not just something they said to make fans feel okay about using both, then they might reveal some weird time loop or cycle thing in-game. But I think the fact that they aren't dressed with the same colour scheme is more than just an aesthetic choice but to show thematically which twin is the Abyss Twin and which is the MC at least from the perspective of marketing and extra game material, while as far as the player is concerned it can be either.
You are not the only one. Personally, it just feels kinda awkward having her be the "villain". her personality is way too bubbly to be the bad guy. Aether just seems....there.
agreed
I feel the same way as you tbh. I’ve never really seen this situation in other games where they try to push one mc over the other like this when initially they gave us the option to choose. Feels like false advertising to me, like why even give me the option if you are gonna take it away? Personally I adore Lumine and Paimon’s relationship, they are like sisters and their girly bond is something I adore but showing Aether to be the one travelling with Paimon instead annoyed me. To me Lumine is the mc, I’ve played for too long and I mained Lumine for so long, I just cannot think of her as the abyss twin.
literally *this*. their relationship is just so precious, and leaving aside who’s canon who’s not and what no i just wish more people gave a shot to playing with lumine because i truly think it’s a beautiful experience. some people say lumine fits better the “evil” role because she’s colder and i think that’s precisely what makes her unsuitable for it. i have watched the scene where we encounter our sibling both from lumine’s and aether’s perspective and when i tell you lumine as the abyss princess did not give an f* about us😭😭 yet aether was about to burst into tears when he saw us. and that’s exactly how it should be imo. the abyss sibling is not supposed to be “evil”, is not supposed to be dismissive. they’re actually supposed to care for us deeply and be carrying a great burden by being away from us. that just makes aether softness’s so fitting to the role. while lumine’s stoicism and coldness makes her journey one of growth, that really allows for her pure, hidden feelings to shine
I like both MC and abyss version but it does feel like a scam that she's not portrayed as MC often. There are so many Lumine players yet Hoyoverse only represent her as an MC when it comes to merchs, never in trailers and rarely on graphic posters. The recent web event that will make you like a Dark Souls player pissed me off because Aether's avatar was free while Lumine's avatar you gotta to beat the game just to get it. Also, it took them 3 years to give us the confirmation that the feather on Lumine's head is an earring! Three effing years! How miserable the lack of Lumine content that it took THREE fcking years for that confirmation. Hoyoverse should be embarassed by that realization.
I never even knew that feather thing was an earring lmao
See?? It's ridiculous that it took 3 years to know this LMFAO I really thought it was a feather pierced in her head like part of a wing due to her in-game model. Conspiracy theories made it like a foreshadow or an easter egg 😭😂
OMG someone who also has beef with that event! I played for HOURS trying to get to the end but I couldn't. I gave up in the end. I hate that they made the already not loved mc's frame be way more annoying to get. While all Aether lovers had to do was just share the page. Couldn't they have at least made it easier by depending on which mc we chose, the frame will be the traveler we chose at the start? Which means Lumine travelers can get their Lumine pfp, they can play the game to get Aether's pfp. And Aether Travelers will get their Aether pfp when they share and play the game if they want the Lumine pfp. Or a simple fix, MAKE BOTH OF THEM AVAILABLE AFTER SHARING THE PAGE. No hate to Aether mains btw I'm just talking about the dumb decision hoyo did there.
Right?! They really tested Lumine players' patience in that web event. It also leaves a bitter taste because I don't find it as a compliment that we chose a "special character" just to access that avatar/pfp reward rather than getting it simply from sharing it. Because what do they mean special? Like an unlocked character type of shit when she's also there from the start of the game. Annoying marketing strategy. The subtle mocking to Lumine players and subtle hinting who is the "default" MC.
Actually, they stopped producing merch with her a few years ago. Aether has more merchandise, and even has more Collab events merchandise than Lumine
What? Lumine continues to have merchandise. For example, [this figure was released just a couple of months ago.](https://myfigurecollection.net/item/1601942) [Plus here’s random official merchandise available for preorder featuring Lumine](https://genshin.global/product/genshin-cleaning-machine-official-merch/)
It was announced in 2022 (like two years ago), and several times rescheduled for release (which is not something uncommon for figurines). I wouldn't use merch from 2022 as an example. Especially, when Aether has new puzzles, wallscrolls, photo prints and so on. No new art with Lumine - no new merchandise. Meanwhile, this was a Domino pizza collab with Aether exclusive art. https://sea.ign.com/genshin-impact/190310/news/genshin-impact-collabs-with-dominos-pizza-to-bring-gamers-emergency-food I have a pretty long list of Aether exclusive merchandise actually, compared to Lumine exclusive. Every time they release merch with Lumine they release similar merch with Aether, but they've never released Lumine only merch.
I had edited my comment, but [here is some official merchandise of Lumine being released.](https://genshin.global/product/genshin-cleaning-machine-official-merch/) Also there was that Exhibition art released last year. So yes there is still merchandise of her being created, but you’re definitely correct that there is more merch featuring official art of Aether which is unfortunate.
I sure am. Tbh, I saw the leaked 4.7 artwork, with Aether awake and Lumine sleeping, which gave me hope they're going to show the other version of the story (cause the Abyss twin woke up first). Had the thought in the back of my head that it's only a fake hope, but maybe not. Ever since Fontaine came out, I decided to not watch any official videos from Genshin. When they show up on the feed, I select the "don't recommend" option. I also unfollowed their official accounts everywhere. But I decided to watch "The Road Not Taken" when I got home from work. Big disappointment once again. Being tired also affected my mood, but wrote a feedback right away. The CS team is probably tired of me at this point. A lot of people point out that it's less confusing this way, or that it'll be to redundant having 2 version. However, look at HSR switching between the MCs Than, they say it's because the not-selected MC has no role, unlike Genshin. Well, there are other games promoting both MCs, despite that. Pokemon has been doing that for long time, even for the games where the not-selected MC becomes a rival. I've also heard of a game called Astral Chain, where the MC you don't pick becomes an antagonist. And they don't play favorites either. Being only official media is one thing, but they don't put Lumine in tutorials anymore either. She only appears in some very old ones, like "Swirl" or "Elemental Burst". Even the Aranyaka book shows only Aether, no matter who you play as. This is the worst kind of disregarding half of the playerbase. It's like the game tells us "you should play as Aether". Consistency is non-existing for Lumine players.
lumine and aether are two separate people while honkai are the same people
So what
Thats why hoyo switching between honkai MCs without a care since they are the same people ( think about wearing clothes. It doesn't change who you are). However in genshin, they are two different people. I think Hoyo sadly chose Aether before even the game got published, ( potentially in the manga) despite Lumine being the most picked choice by players. One possible reason is probably coz it's a bit flexible to work around with Aether in this fight-oriented game, getting rag-dolled here and there without anyone thinking about it twice.
I gave examples of games where the MCs are different people as well: Pokemon series and Astral Chain, that use both of them. Even in HSR, we are not completely sure Stelle and Caelus are the same person, just gender bent. Because Silver Wolf makes a point that Kafka choosing the receptacle is important. That's a poor excuse imo. They don't show Aether getting rag-dolled in any trailer. And in the artworks, he just chills with the cast.
fr, am just coping
We all are, I guess...one way or another
You know what’s weird. These games- GI, HSR, WuWa, all seem to just work better with the female MC. I can’t explain it, but there’s things in GI for example that makes me think “this would seem weird with Aether”. Again do not ask what and why, because I don’t know myself.
i understand how you feel. in my case, aether as the mc just feels so cliche, like a classic isekai harem protagonist. lumine not only feels like a breath of fresh air as a hero, it think her femininity suits very well the journey of the traveler, considering the big majority of the cast is female and also considering the soft, feminine nature of the game. her relationship with paimon is adorable. her color palette really harmonizes with the scenery when exploring. and it also gave us some jewels like xiaolumi. also ayaka’s story quest with lumine felt literally revolutionary to me, she was giving full revolutionary girl utena. and with aether it felt like it could have been an extract from any isekai anime really
What things in GI are you refering to?
GI Joe 🗿
Nah uh, GI by The Germs
because aether and lumine are separate people. the other games are just versions of mc
Actually yes, you know?
Yes. Lately I've been trying to come to terms with it... I don't want my enjoyment of future projects like these and the anime to be hundred by what was ultimately a choice that they never should've given to players. I'm also annoyed at how people respond to "both mc's are canon, mihoyo said so" with "it's just a customer friendly email from tech support don't take it seriously" when the argument they use for Aether being canon may just as easily be explained away by saying "he only appears more often for marketing consistency don't take it seriously." For what it's worth, they do go to great lengths in-game to ensure if you chose Lumine then the entire experience will solidify that choice and have her well and truly be the Traveler. Her model in cutscenes, she/her pronouns in voiced and unvoiced dialogue, etc. In the end, our own gameplay experience is what matters and for the most part your choice as Lumine is validated and respected in the game itself (Also ngl.... watching that short yesterday has made me a bit curious on the dynamic between abyss sibling Lumine and Dainsleif.... It's quite mysterious and captivating I must admit)
right, i think if they were simply gonna pretend the other option for mc didn’t exist they should have simply done a complete self insert. like we all get the same character as the abyss sibling and you basically get to create your own traveler. they would have saved themselves so much trouble, specially with the manga and the anime. also i must admit that i feel the same way about lumine’s and dainsleif’s relationship.. i guess yes you could say it’s uhhh captivating👀👀👀 specially if you go on pinterest, like you will leave that place a baptized shipper😭😭
sad, annoyed. why even give player a chance to choose? tbh, if Lumine didn't exist I would play this game. lucky me, I only watch a few second of their short animation, so the rest didnt exist in my memory. Lumine still the main traveler for my brain.
omg i’m glad someone shares my dread i thought i was just being sensitive😭😭😭 but people really underestimate the level of attachment that you get to the traveler you choose. i just love lumine i’m sorry, not only is she my girl i oftentimes see myself in her which is part of why i have become so fond of genshin. to take her away is to take a core part of the game away. it’s just not the same game for me
We are in the same boat then...
Everytime I get an in-game tutorial, I feel sad. Its frustrating and invalidating. Even birthday posts give me dread. I've stopped consuming Genshin media so as not to feel bad. On the other hand, seeing Lumine FINALLY get portrayed as the MC gives a major happiness boost
You are right, I understand your frustration even if I personally don't give a damn. Since 1.0 they used Aether for every artwork like event or version. We all know the truth : they don't care
It irks me, too. I like both of them and see them as different characters, but I think both could be in either role. It seems the Abyss sibling has undergone a transformation due to their experience and that works for both Aether and Lumine, who both seem to have been sweet and warmhearted siblings. So I don't know why they so consistently have only Aether in their promo material as the Traveler and Lumine as the Abyss sibling. u.u I want to see Lumine smiling more.
The whole marketing thing makes me think Aether is the protagonist and Lumine is the antagonist (aka villain) in the story. While I think that allowing the player to choose the villain is a good move, being intentional dubious is not. The other option is that the marketing department is super biased and they just like Aether better. (Also, I refuse to believe marketing materials portraying Lumine wouldn't work as good...)
Yes it does. However I also understand that the non-chosen twin will also become the Abyss Sibling so they have to keep consistency. However as much as I like Lumine being my PC, I also really like her being the Abyss Sibling as well because she comes off as being so much colder. Strange taste I have, huh…
It's fine. To me, Aether comes off as kinda creepy, so I always prefer seeing Lumine. That said, Hoyovese wants to keep a certain level of consistency in their advertising, and branding is more important than anything.
The consistency thing is weird since HSR swaps around their MC often but I don't see anyone getting confused over it. I get that in those other games the other MC option doesn't exist in the story unlike here, but they can surely think of something
i was just hoping that at least, since aether got to star in the manga, we could have lumine to star in the anime but it’s very unlikely. that way it would not be as important wether lumine appears in promo and trailers or not because at least we got that one thing u know? like up until now it had not bothered me that much but the anime thing felt like a kick in the balls, that shit hurtttttt
I'm curious to know why Aether is creepy to you?
i think having a male protagonist surrounded by women all the time, even if the character himself has not done anything in particular, can sometimes come off as weird or creepy. tho personally i think aether is a cutie patootie, which is why is so moving and tragic to see him as the abyss sibling. if you compare which one of two would suffer more the role of the abyss sibling, you just know it’s aether.
Lumine Harem 😊😊😊 Aether Harem 😡😡😡
The same thing can be said about lumine I mean I understand I like her too and I want hoyo to give her more attention but to say aether is a creep just because you don’t like him is a bad take
i literally said aether is a cutie patootie. i never said i find him creepy, i just said that having a male protagonist surrounded by women all the time can sometimes come off as creepy. that’s the thing, that with lumine you don’t get that same harem vibe because, first, almost the entirety of the cast is female so when people see two characters of the same gender they don’t instantly asume romantic / sexual interest, but rather friendship. also considering the context of that same dynamic for opposing genders being extremely common in games / anime. not because aether himself is a creep, but because your brain through pattern recognition instantly draws the similarities and goes there.
Meh not really I don’t see him as that or lumine they have their own personality and if people really wanted to see things like that the gender of the mc isn’t really gonna stop them
Why is Aether creepy to you?
Bruh, that's such stupid problem, which mhy (if they wanted) coul fix in two minutes. Just switch both characters in trailers as they did in, *cough *cough, hsr. Somebody may tell, that there are no opposing twin etc, but it would state that both characters are canon, and solve lots of problem. For example, i always enjoy playing as female characters, and realising that MY journey through world isn't canon, because i selected NON-canon character makes me want to quit the game. I'll see what mhy will do next, but currently, as consumer, i am very displeased of what i am receiving. If they don't want to improve something, there is one and most effective way to make them — money
that’s exactly how i feel!! why say both are canon if then you’re just gonna ignore one of them almost entirely? it feels so invalidating, specially when they could just 50/50 their promos, trailers, etc. my guess is that since we are a minority they really don’t want to catch fire from aether players, specially considering how vocal about aether being the mc they are
Awkwardly enough, that's not even the case. Lumine and aether are nearly equal, with Lumine been a bit more popular, at least from charts i looked in. So either mhy are cracked on something, or (which is more believable) they are just lazy to do something about integrating both twins as "canon" traveler and just dgaf about this, since they receive money anyway
really? omg everytime i try to say anything on reddit / instagram about lumine being just as valid as an mc i get ROASTEDDDDDDDD to hell and back, i would have never guessed she was so popular but i’m happy to know, you just made me smile :’)
Won't tell you about Instagram (since i don't use it) but at least redditors think that they are main part of community. Since there could be many of them, but they are not whole community, they aren't even greater part of community, they are just one aspect of it
My thought is that they don't have Development account with Lumine so it explains a little reason why tutorial keep skipping to use Lumine in there. Even though I know it's unreasonable reason and I agree with you that it's a little problem that they could fix under 2 minutes. They just lazy.
Both are canon when you play the actual game though. And that's what matters.
Based opinion ngl, but it much greater experience to see more content with character you play as
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congrats on missing the point completely
look, I'm a Lumine propagandist for life. But people show Aether as the canon MC for a reason, because he really is. Explain the flower in Lumine's hair if not, how would she have an Inteyvat if she's never been to Khaenri'ah before. The community likes her because her design is peak, not because she's the real MC. they were more careful in Star Rail to not add as many details like this, but they still blundered early on in like 1.3 when Caelus ends up finding a picture of Stelle with his friends while Stelle doesn't find Caelus replacing her when she finds the same image. Stelle was already the favorite child of the community, cementing her as the real Trailblazer when they went through great lengths to differentiate their ult animations fucked them over in a lot of ways so they made it a point to integrate them both into most of their Penacony advertisements, even having them on-screen at the same time for promotional artwork and animations. They fought to ensure Caelus mains weren't alienated, and thus far it seems to have paid off.
What are you talking about? Both siblings have been to Khaenri'ah. The Traveler says they remember it, regardless of which sibling you choose. It's literally in the first Dain quest we had.
so basically the siblings arrive on teyvat and the sibling we choose, in this case lumine, falls asleep for an unspecified amount of time for unknown reasons. eventually aether manages to wake her up and tells her that they need to leave, with both of them watching the destruction of khaenri’ah. when they try to leave the sustainer of the heavenly principles tries to stop them, and you see this is the catch, lumine is *already wearing those flowers during the fight*, so they are not related to their individual journeys through teyvat. i’m not sure if you play lumine or not, but the explanation they give if you play her is that aether put them on her hair while she was asleep, which imo is just so much more tragically beautiful than her just collecting them and putting them on by herself. also i understand that mihoyo as the devs have the right to choose a designated mc, but the thing is mihoyo themselves have stated that basically the sibling you choose is the mc as both are just as canon, which is why it feels like such a punch in the guts to just get so invalidated and be fed breadcrumbs by them almost the entirety of the time
Wait, you're up to date on the archon quest right? I know it's just a patch-up, but Aether left an Inteyvat to Lumine before she woke up after 500 years.
I don't think that flower thing is what you say. If she was the antagonist altogether then why would they let us play as her the whole story showing her as the protagonist? It's looser than that. I don't really think we can talk about "the real MC" either, but you do you.
It’s always so weird for me to imagine a world where Lumine is the MC. Like, I’ve spent so much time as Aether, I can’t even imagine it. Yet there’s a whole side of the fanbase that feels the exact same way as me, but reversed. I feel for y’all.
see that’s why i think they should either make a version of everything for both twins or at least 50/50 the promotional content. i could simply ask for lumine to be portrayed as the mc, but because i understand how invalidating it is to not have content with the sibling you chose as the mc, even though for ME personally lumine is the superior option at the end of the day i believe is a matter of subjectivity and that both experiences should be equally valid and supported. i don’t think aether players deserve to experience that, in the same way i don’t think we deserve it either. if only mihoyo cared lol
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guys i found the pressed aether player🗣️🗣️🗣️
Ignore this troll. They’re a clown and an incel, an overall sad individual. Hopefully someday they will seek therapy.
And I found the whole nest of cry babies coping that Lumine is Canon when she is not 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
And what reasons do you have for Aether being canon? He shows up more? Someone else stated in their comment, you can write that off as "he shows up more for consistency, stop coping" just like you do with Lumine
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So? She is still the villain who's gonna get no diff by Aether in the end 🤣
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me when i womp womp also i picked lumine because i’m a girl… nice try tho
Cope aether will always be better so cry about it 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
There’s an impostor among us
For people who'd like to say that Lumine is the main character because customer support said so. This is what people got a few years ago from Russian customer support. HoYo than investigated that and changed their answers, but still https://preview.redd.it/4yfic0qzpt2d1.jpeg?width=1196&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33217d2f3c91f32c6026f57605ac373d983acef5
so your argument is that a few years ago someone from customer support gave an incorrect answer, then mihoyo found out and made sure no one gave the same incorrect answer again? if aether had truly been the mc mihoyo wouldn’t have been bothered by customer support telling players
They started to give standardized answers. Probably people were complaining about Lumi exclusion unstoppably, especially Chinese players. Customer support info is just their strategy of crisis management to calm down Lumine players. They started to do this in a more professional manner after a huge uproar, when PV with Nahida and Aether was released. That's when they started to write more standardized answers every time they f***ed up with Lumine. Personally, I believe that after the release they stopped considering Lumine to be the real MC, otherwise we wouldn't have that conversation over and over again for more than four years.
A lot of what you just said is based upon your own opinions though, not actual facts. Like saying customer support is just their strategy of crisis management. Unless you work at Hoyo, we cannot say how they view their customer service or tell them what to write. We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. Also Lumine was featured as the MC before and after the game was released. Before Genshin was released, Lumine was featured frequently as the traveler. [There was concept art that featured Lumine with Paimon.](https://x.com/Genshin_Kineli/status/1354621908491395084) There were videos of her in the traveler role, [here](https://youtu.be/5DuZblVxG3I?si=hQGn9X5s9FDNlPEC), [here](https://youtu.be/gGMvTL9AedQ?si=naUUOI0BiURMNAL-), [here](https://youtu.be/kuLkPigM8Mg?si=4Su3K19igyaUj3p5), [here](https://youtu.be/KZSM0jEZ43I?si=u-G55IW-Kx28N_EZ), and [here](https://youtu.be/62xgOohZbLY?si=P1Ax-E_oKTT8vHPk). After the release, there was promotional art of her, front and center, for the Liyue story promo, which can be viewed [here](https://www.facebook.com/Genshinimpact/posts/closed-beta%E4%B8%A8testers-wantedlocated-in-the-east-of-teyvat-liyue-is-a-bountiful-har/595623114621216/). Also when they announced that Genshin was coming to the PS4, there were was an official [Lumine version](https://x.com/SIEK_PlayGround/status/1300706068788518913). Plus she was the only traveler presented in the web event Stone Harbor Treasure Journal in-game and in the [short comics and mini event with Venti](https://x.com/Genshin_Kineli/status/1537243229716086784). Also I’m not a dev at Hoyo, so in my opinion, I find it difficult to believe the company would spend years developing this game and then suddenly months after the game released just go “oh, Lumine as MC sucks! Let’s forget about her!” They still view her as the MC, which is of course evident in the actual game itself (cutscenes, hangout, web events) and the random official art that is released. They just decided to use Aether as the Traveler for most of the trailers/promo, and I cannot say why they made this decision. Does it upset me? Absolutely. It sucks, because the antis use this as “proof” that there is an official/canon traveler. It’s the usual BS that usually goes with games that give players a choice in picking their characters.
If I’m remembering right, this was not an actual customer service response and was in fact just an edit someone made. So not official. There was a Twitter post about it a couple of years ago.
I've never seen anyone claim it to be an edit. I'll appreciate if you provide me more info about that. As I remember correctly it was a female player from Russia who got this answer, but I haven't remembered them claiming it to be edited. However, I've been complaining about Lumi since Version 1.2 (Aether+Albedo event banner), and can say that HoYo hasn't come with a standardized response about Lumi until after Nahida's PV.
I would have to do some digging. It’s been a couple of years, so unsure if I will be able to find it. If I do, I will link it here. Also I’m curious what this standardized response is from customer service. Is this consistent every time you write to them? Are other players from different countries receiving the same response?
Tbh nah, I see it as fine in my opinion aether has always been the main protagonist I love Lumine and her design but tbh to me aether has always felt like the mc im not bothered if Lumine isn’t featured as the main protagonists in trailer and demos and stuff but it’s nice to see that once in a while in official art