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It does have kanna, which is reported to be a mild stimulant. It also has GABA, which will help you feel relaxed and sociable. There's no way it will feel anything like MDMA though. It also has some vitamins. Magnesium is good to take alongside a drug like MDMA or stimulants because it reduces jaw clenching and bruxism but these pills are not a "legal MDMA alternative." The only legal(ish) MDMA alternatives are research chemicals like 3-MMC. I think the goal of these pills is to potentiate and enhance MDMA not replace it. Though I would be wary of combining it with actual MDMA because who knows if combining kanna with MDMA is safe. It might just be a mild herb but better to stay safe.


SqueefyPassage

Gaba taken in that form apparently doesn't even cross the blood brain barrier either.


zurrdynasty

Surprisingly it doesn’t have LIGMA


UrSo_Mad

WhAtS LiGmA?!?!


Prize_Mammoth_6956

Ligma ass


pplxo

For me, when snorted and in moderate-high doses, kanna feels really close to an MDMA come up, but only that first stage where it’s all weird and you’re anxious so there is no way that with that dose, and orally, he’d get any effects that are close to an actual mdma experience


natalielc

Lol that’s the worst part of mdma and is not even enjoyable to I probably won’t be taking that


pplxo

After that stage you feel relaxed and kinda sedated so it’s not that bad, definetly worth a try but not my thing, tried it about 5 times and I don’t think I’ll finish what i have left, which is a lot as you only need like 15-20mg to feel it


magnesium1

This. I've tried kanna and it feels exactly like you said. Like you're about to come up on MDMA and that's about it.


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that’s bunk lol just a tease


magnesium1

Indeed. This was like 8 years ago that I tried. My buddy and I were on a legal & RC kick haha


porterbug

it feels really good with weed and alcohol, it’s kind of like the horny/touchy feelyness that you get with mdma. but it’s super relaxing after the initial rush, it makes me sleepy.


supercooldog5

It's definitely not safe this is guaranteed way of getting serotonin syndrome these products are made to be a milder alternative to MDMA that is less neurotoxic


fluffedpillows

Kanna actually feels a LOT like MDMA. It is way, way less recreational and is very far from the full experience. But at the same time it does feel incredibly familiar. It’s like 30% of the same dreamy headspace and 10% of the euphoria, but it still feels oddly similar. It’s like a stripped-down, soft-drug shell of the experience, yet still feels almost like the same drug. Very unique substance, not sure it’s really good for much but it’s definitely interesting and worth trying.


porterbug

i wouldn’t say a lot, it’s similar for sure but very mild it’s like if MDMA was one of those extreme thrill rollercoasters, then kanna is like one of the kiddy rides or a ferris wheel.


fluffedpillows

That’s what I’m saying. It feels like a threshold version of the same drug; It’s drastically toned down yet somehow feels incredibly similar.


porterbug

No they’re not meant to be taken with mdma, kanna is an SSRI which is really dangerous to take with mdma.


supercooldog5

It's a sri but you got it pretty close they're similar


ChrisishereO2

I’m sure combining it with MDMA would be fine. I combine 500mg with 10 pints and fuck tonnes of weed, and I’m alive and happy.


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First of all, alcohol and marijuana have totally different effects from kanna. I don't know much about kanna but apparently it has SSRI effects, which is dangerous to combine with MDMA. Secondly, you got lucky. I've also combined 200 mg MDMA with alcohol and weed, and I very much regret it. I crashed horribly, but I was lucky that's all that happened. I could have been hospitalized if I overexerted myself. At high doses, and with heavy exertion, too much heat, mixing with alcohol etc., people taking MDMA have become delirious.


TheDeadstash

I don’t know if I would be comfortable combining these with MDMA. The large amount of caffeine is what would concern me as using this as an mdma enhancement supplement. I’m also not expecting these to be super similar to MDMA but in theory an SSRI plus caffeine should give some type of stimulatory/ mild euphoric We shall see but to be honest I’m mainly just exited to try something I haven’t yet.


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I imagine it will feel similar to drinking an energy drink. The GABA in it reminds me of something though. Have you heard of phenibut? If you are looking for a stimulating legal buzz phenibut + caffeine is great. It's still not anything like MDMA, but I like it. Just be careful you don't drink alcohol while on phenibut or you'll get really fucked up and black out. Also it can be addictive.


Hutsx

And friendly reminder to only use it max. 1-2x a week.


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Yep, that too. I use it even less than that. When I have used it multiple times in a week it really lost its kick.


Dicktatorguy

What country/state did you find this?


tishitoshi

From what I understand natural supplements have a ceiling and are pretty much safe to take with stimulants.


eubertos

When I use MDMA with a family friend Shaman, she always has us take it with Kanna. She says it’s to tap into the heart. Obviously that’s not a very scientific answer, but it’s probably at least safe to use with MDMA.


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If kanna is an SSRI (which I'm told it is) then this is a potentially dangerous combo.


porterbug

correct


porterbug

don’t do that, kanna is an ssri and combining it with mdma can give you serotonin syndrome.


billy702

“friend”


gracealmighty

legal highs scare the fucknut out of me


YogurtclosetLong3783

🤣 your right tho


gracealmighty

i’ve heard and experienced too many horror stories 💀 my brother once locked himself in a shed for three days straight because he thought the shed was the tardis 🤣.. he was naked the whole time


fusion407

Wtf was he on?


gracealmighty

The main component was magic dragon (spice) and pink panthers (hallucinogenic) and then he topped it off with white rhino ketamine . He is now in a level 4 facility due to drug induced schizophrenia and manic-bipolar


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OGVanillaKush99

Yes here in Baden-Württemberg (Germany) we had a lot spice on our weed....i see people who got weed from Amsterdam Coffeeshop and say its bad because they dont get high like from spice weed 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️


halconpequena

Yup! Real weed doesn’t obliterate you on the first puff like this shit. If it smells really lemony it’s sprayed. Glaub in Deutsch würd ich es so beschreiben: Noids bzw. Spice erschlagen dich und Gras begleitet dich.


OGVanillaKush99

Yes lemony but bitter is my experience with this shit..... i smell it to often in my bags😒


NCP_R

Jesus


Drogenwurm

Pink Panthers and White rhino Ket...lmao.


amed12345

WTF thats creepy as fuck. Fingers crossed it dont happen to me lol


WaffleSingSong

Don't mix your stimulants and hallucinogens, especially if they're "legal alternatives," and you'll be fine.


amed12345

u mean like no candyflipping or no meth lsd? :D


WaffleSingSong

Meth/LSD lmao. That's a universal recipe for disaster. Candyflipping is cool but should be respected.


thegreatmulie

So I ask this question a month after the OG comment just so I can inform myself and other people who might stumble upon this looking for answers in the future… how’s coke and mdma? I know they’re both huge in the EDM/Rave scene, and I’m sure both are okay in moderation.. but could mixing them at once risk Psychological problems instantly?


Mavericksdopesic

Fucknut💀💀💀


shenan

Legal high is ones' tax bill


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Dicktatorguy

DXM is pretty good as long as you don't go crazy with the dosage. Mixes really well with weed.


PROtestkit_eu

Placebo is a helluva drug. The effects won't be anything close to those of controlled substances.


TheDeadstash

I don’t think it’s gonna be all placebo. I’m not looking for anything that is going to mirror traditional MDMA or any other controlled substance but in theory a SSRI packed full of caffeine should have some type of stimulant effect and possibly an amount of euphoria. Kanna on its own is known to give feelings of euphoria in high doses.


HiFructose_PornSyrup

Bro when bath salts came out they were a “legal coke alternative”


skriver23

I'm not sure which point you're making, but synthetic cathinones we're obviously going to be strong stuff. mephedrone is definitely better than cocaine, by like 100x.


PROtestkit_eu

Your product has in total 1179mg of ingredients. Oral high dose of kanna starts at 1500mg.


cannabiphorol

It's probably made with MT-55 Kanna extract based off the 4% alkaloid claim. Would only need like 50mg. If I had to guess each pill is probably around 25mg-50mg but I don't know for sure.


PROtestkit_eu

Thanks for the clarification. Not close to Ecstasy but might be psychoactive afterall.


TheDeadstash

That’s why I have 3 packs.


systemCF

Brother you got ripped off by people exploiting people who are too scared to buy controlled substances but want to take something. Those "legal highs" either fuck you up and will get banned soon enough or they're nothing more than a gimmick, you fell for it.


Marasesh

Just buy drugs wtf?


Collinsc108

Idk why you're being down voted. I have taken this brand and it produces mild euphoria and empathogenic effects. It's not like MDMA but they run in somewhat similar veins. Don't have high expectations and enjoy it for what it is.


Marasesh

I mean you can get people high on a single unmarked pill if you say it’s got stimulants in it even better if it has like 3mg amphetamine because then “it does”


Collinsc108

Doesn't mean it has amphetamines. If you read the literature Kanna contains a number of psychoactive alkaloids that are shown to be serotonin releasers and reputable inhibitors


Marasesh

And if you look at the amount they put in there it’s a low af amount


Collinsc108

It's active at low doses in my experience


SigmaGamahucheur

I have adhd. I would just calm the hell down clean a bit shower and nap.


Marasesh

Not on 3mg of amphetamine


SigmaGamahucheur

It doesn’t effect everyone the same way.


Marasesh

Idk bro I rail many lines if you feelin 3mg y’all got some low tolerance


StuffNdthings420x

ssri are never fun. They are sketchy. it’s like the tramadol of opiates


SigmaGamahucheur

Tramadol does not contain an SNRI but does however effect the reuptake of Serotonin and Norepinephrine. I believe it’s method of action is still unknown if new science doesn’t exist since my deep dive on it.


StuffNdthings420x

ty for clarifying dude , that action is what I’m referring too but it is no good. Can have really weird interactions and on it’s own can be uncomfortable


SigmaGamahucheur

I was taken off of it because of the weird interactions. Stuff doesn’t jive with my chemistry.


StuffNdthings420x

tbh if you’re looking for pain relief and energy there a strains of kratom that can give you that & it doesn’t really have negative interactions with other things


SigmaGamahucheur

I have never had effective pain relief from kratom without the urge to vomit even using capsules. Takes too much to get an effect


SigmaGamahucheur

Placebos are not a substance to be controlled.


seamusm13

20000% of your B12?!


shenan

Yellerpy, son


seamusm13

I don’t see how that can be healthy


living-likelarry

I’ve seen supplements with 40,000% b12 before. Seems very excessive but I think it might have something to do with absorption. Still not doses you’d find naturally though


seamusm13

I mean I’ve taken b12 before but it was only like 500-1000% of my daily intake. But at the time I needed it because I was B12 anemic. I’ve just never seen this before


SigmaGamahucheur

Sometimes large doses of vitamins are used to treat patients deficient in a vitamin. Not usually a problem if the vitamin is water soluble like b12 which flush through the system quickly. Fat soluble vitamins can stick around and build up your system like vitamin d. That said even extremely high doses of vitamin d are given to patients deficient in the vitamin. Long story short see a doctor and get bloodwork done regularly if you use supplements.


Supercompositeman13

I’ve seen those for sale in a shop in Amsterdam. Seemed like bullshit


iSanctuary00

They are. Everything is except Salvia, truffels and kush


spvcedxut

The active ingredient is Kanna. The effects aren't the same but it does effect serotonin receptors so do some research and don't mix it with anything you wouldn't mix MDMA with.


TheDeadstash

That’s the plan thanks!


smash8890

SSRIs are not typically fast acting and take time to build up in your system before you feel any effects so I would be hesitant to believe that one dose of this will make you feel anything other than caffeine jitters


ravesalot

I took a genetic test (pharmacogenetic test, called “Genesight”) and I have a gene that doesn’t metabolize SSRI’s well- I basically was told to never take SSRI’s again because the dangerous side effects. Every single one I’ve tried has given me awful side effects with no benefits. Plus I don’t do well with high amounts of caffeine or B12- causes major stomach cramping and headaches. I can’t imagine this would be any different


ChordBored

Absolutely! Kanna is a natural antidepressant and brings a subtle mood lift if used daily for a few days !


jcraig87

B6 and b12 are both water soluable so as soon as your body has enough you're just going to pee the rest out. Your pee is going to be neon though so that's cool


Harrypc95

I’ve had something extremely similar going off the ingredients, and it’s just meh, you feel awake but not more than being over caffeinated, and there’s a weird mellowness too it, easy of talking etc You’re better off snorting pure kanna, it will give you stronger effects, but it’s still not a great substance imo


Psychonautron

The only thing you could possibly get from that is a vitamin overdose.


sexymugglehealer

OP, you alive?? How did it go??


TheDeadstash

Yea alive and well. 3 caps made me feel like I was on cocaine for a few hours. Mild euphoria, mild warmth, a little energy boost, not like railing lines cocaine high but like consistent bumps all night to keep yourself level feeling. Was nice and could see 1 being nice on a come up or come down from M but also if be mindful of serotonin syndrome mixing anything


TheDeadstash

Wouldn’t really do them again unless they were offered by someone else for free like if a friend had them or something but the experience was something to try.


bmudz

Let me know how the headache goes


TheDeadstash

I’ll let you know around this time tommorow


TheDeadstash

What active ingredient would induce a headache here? Maybe the excessive amount of caffeine but other than that it all seems pretty fine.


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TheDeadstash

B12 is greatly needed when taking any substances most of them give you B12 deficiency so im actually happy about a crazy amount of B12


TheDeadstash

We could all use a B12 shot make sure to ask your doctor during your next visit


jaxsonerd

Do share your experience I'm curious


TheDeadstash

Will report back tommorow!


mosssmonster

Yeah that shit ain't gon do shit dawg.


sexymugglehealer

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adamthefailure

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MusicHeals777

any update?


TheDeadstash

Will report back in a few hours


EmbarrassedAd5040

how do you feel bro


TheDeadstash

Feels similar to cocaine to be honest slight warmness, slight euphoria, no tweaky feeling, not overwhelming, I feel like one while on a dose of mdma would make your peak kick


TheDeadstash

Yea slight euphoria slight warmness similar to come but lasting. Almost like a come up but it doesn’t feel uncomfortable or like a cocaine high


TheDeadstash

About to take a few and go to the museum


Bonersfollie

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ctrebe1212

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Bog_Boy

Not even close Kratom/Phenibut are the only “legal” OTC ones that you might start to feel something resembling MDMA


abcdBPDbaby

I have never felt like I was on MDMA when I used Kratom and I use it daily - what am I doing wrong?


GiggleStool

The packaging of these alone will create a big placebo effect to newbies and gullible people. Chemically and scientifically they might make a tiny small difference to your partying but this isn’t gonna produce anything fun realistically


GamilaraayMan

my doctor told me to take those vitamins for my depression and anxiety, lmao. supposed to make you happy but i felt nothing.


External_Chip_1045

Milk thistle takes me to the moon !!!!! /s/


naughty_creamsoda

Usually just use 4FA as an alternative… not the same; but still good.


BGFlyingToaster

Ah, yes, the supplement industry, where you can literally put anything on the shelf with whatever wild claims you want to make and get away with it - none of those pesky regulations requiring that the product actually does what you say it does.


eb7772

Save your money.


katsukitsune

Yeah, I tried a similar one in Amsterdam. It didn't feel like anything at all - more equivalent to an energy drink than MDMA lmao


ThePyrofox

its a party enhancement supplement not an alternative. you're supposed to take it with md


itsgiggles18

I’ve taken supplement pills that get you “high” and I did not have a good time. Nausea, vomiting, headache, body went all tingly. Be careful !!


bxdger14

I’ve taken them on 2 separate occasions and was exceptionally underwhelmed


DiMethylTriping

This isn't an alternative yet it's an all purpose vitamin pack used to be taken after you use MDMA it's quite common to follow a dose of MDMA with vitamins to reduce chances of Serotonin syndrome and many other factors


ImMyOwnDoctor

Kanna raises serotonin levels so just be careful mixing with mdma or serotonin syndrome is a real possibility


eKOLi2222

If u don't mind asking where did u get them from a store?


ih8reddit420

id take this as a pre-game, got magnesium. Maybe 4 of it


TTMandF

Update us how it goes. Looking at the ingredient blend, there are fitness boosters with the same ingredients but higher dosages. So should be okay to use but won’t make you “high”


SeaBackground4166

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r4tbabe

This is a great idea for people who have quit using but wanna do something! Or maybe if ur tryna space yr rolls out lol


Efficient-General870

They have been selling herbal x since it came out


Dapper-Designer6755

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Malthael0911

what the hell is that


dssecrets

Will check back tomorrow


jimmyhersetoflocks

I tried them at Bonnaroo! Not as stimulating as some of the other things I had there but definitely impressive as a natural alternative


baix000

It’s a supplement. If I’m not mistaken, it’s for taking it before and after a roll. Could be wrong tho.


AgentCupcake

I haven't had luck with Kanna myself, but I kinda gave up on it. However, some people enjoy it, but they don't compare it to MDMA. Check out r/Kanna and you can see more. Also those folks tend to recommend a couple of other brands (mostly Ultra Kanna and Lift Mode) - anything else is pretty highly suss.


rxpoiqwe

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Nxrcotix333

I’m down to try this. Can you buy them online?;o


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No-Force5341

Basically just vitamins fam


TheNewJack89

I’d try it lol


The_Squawboi

It's an "enhancement" capsule for a reason


Living_Wave2384

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