full rebuild, as maybe the compression shim is broken like a cookie or, that lever has grooves at the end those grroves command the depht of the shaft that opens the compression shimstack, it has two orings, upper and lower, if the lever is not leaking oil, your problem is the shimstack, if yoire loosing oil through the lever its the orings. whatever the case the shock needs full service as in ALL the seals, and new compression shims.
9/10 times this is caused by low IFP pressure … you seem to feel like you know about this shock, but don’t know that? The shims can be just fine and this can still occur …
This. Not enough back pressure on the piston the lockout lever moves causes this. It's pretty easy to screw this up, even for a shop that has the proper tooling.
This was rebuilt last spring also, I ride moderately hard and I do ride alot. Is it worth another rebuild or a new shock? Seems crazy to rebuild every spring
yup, most shocks have the 100 hour/full rebuild. 90% of people probably dont follow that rule and loosely think of it as a recommendation. im just getting my first full sus in over a decade and have been deep diving into rear shocks. ill probably get a used shock or manitou mara pro for my backup for when my main spring is at the shop
yeah, i got the mezzer pro for that reason for the build, i just was won over to the tigon by cane creeks video with sterling, since my build is also a single pivot steel frame bike
Different brands, models, and years have different service intervals. RockShox has made variations of the Judy fork for about 30 years so you'd have to google your specific version.
Generally speaking coil suspension has longer service intervals than air, and higher performance air models have shorter service intervals than lower performance models with simpler damper systems.
I had to have my Fox float X2 serviced 4 times within the span of 10 months. Fox was tired of me so they sent a new one for free 😅
Fortunately the new one has held up much better.
I’m guessing you just changed the seals and considered that a rebuild. A full rebuild is more involved and can be done with the proper tools but usually it’s much easier to just send into Fox or another service outlet.
I must be nerdy cuz I love rebuilding all my suspension myself. It only takes a couple hours and if you know what you're doing you don't even need the stupid nitrogen. Air works just fine and is far safer for home service.
Was it a full damper rebuild or air can service that happened last spring? Air can service wouldn't interact with the parts/conditions that cause the loose lever. It's worth a full damper rebuild if it's due or you haven't done that in the past. Otherwise, maybe it's time for an upgrade.
Did you get an air can service or full damper rebuild? A messed up lockout lever is a damper issue. Send it to Fox or Suspension Syndicate if your local shop can't do this service (most shops can't, or aren't very good at it.)
Thanks! I’ve disassembled this few times and fucked up IFP pressuring one time too. This is exactly how it reacted, when the oil was not pressured. I’ve also seen long time non serviced DPSs that do this.
But IFP and how shock valves work are things that every full suspension rider should familiarize.
I had the same issue ever since I got a new bike.
One LBS recommended a full rebuild, another LBS said this is a very common problem with Fox Floats and if the compression and rebound is working well, don't bother with it.
Web search also shows that you should tighten the set screw, as others mentioned.
I decided not to bother because the shock is functioning perfectly fine.
The one on my new Top Fuel did this. Bought a RockShox Deluxe takeoff from a higher spec Top Fuel for $200 and sent the Fox in for warranty repair. When it comes back I'll sell it. For me, the RockShox is wayyy better.
That's a normal amount of play.
The lever is connected to a cam type assembly that pushes on a rod with some shims on the end that sits over the piston (called the lockout plate). Open means it's furthest away from the piston and the cam has to keep it pushed out of the way to let oil through. Medium is slightly closer and the piston but still needs to be held away to allow slightly less oil through. In lockout position, the shims are right up against the piston, blocking oil flow. This is also the loosest position for the cam assembly because it's not holding the shims away from the piston. It's just letting the oil pressure keep the piston blocked by the shims.
So. In locked out position, it makes sense there will be a little play. The cam is essentially disengaged.
Don't touch any of the little screws unless you know exactly what you are doing. It could result in oil spraying out necessitating a rebuild. The grub screw on the blue lever is safe to double check though.
All that being said, it may still be time for a service.
If the nitrogen pressure has gone down, a similar result may occur.
I hope that clears it up.
The shaft the set screw interfaces with has been damaged because someone pushed the blue lever too far, so the stop machines into it has been broken off. It’s an easy fix at next full service. You can wait if the compression is still switching currently otherwise it’ll need a rebuild. The part only costs a few dollars.
My float dps does the same thing. I'm just ignoring it for now as a rebuild is $200 and it still works fine. I'll probably upgrade to a super deluxe with a res when I have the money.
Literally had this issue yesterday. Tighten the two grub nuts. One on the lever and one above the lever ~ 1cm from the lever. Tighten a quarter turn at a time and check the play.
The Fox shock on my brand new Remedy 8 did this when new ! The lever spun all the way around on mine. Sent the shock in to Fox service and they fixed it under warranty.
The Fox fork on my Remedy was also broken. It came from new with too much oil so that blew out the damper. I noticed I was only getting 120mm of travel in a 140mm fork. Fox also fixed that under warranty and the fork worked so much better….
Few years later when I got a Top Fuel the fork lockout came broken from factory so had to send that to Fox and they fixed it under warranty.
So now when I get a new bike with Fox I just send the fork and shock in for a rebuild when new. They always come back working better than OEM.
Shouldn’t be surprising that suspension built in Asia by children wouldn’t work as well as hand built suspension from a Fox service center.
My LBS told me the lever is engineered this way on purpose to shrug off snags by your shorts or other gear. I've found all my shock levers to be similar.
Before you send off for rebuild try this- tighten the tiny set screw on the lever. Had the same issue and it fixed mine.
Bump. Had the same issue. Mine came back from Fox service with the set screw not fully tight and my lever looked like this. Definitely worth checking.
full rebuild, as maybe the compression shim is broken like a cookie or, that lever has grooves at the end those grroves command the depht of the shaft that opens the compression shimstack, it has two orings, upper and lower, if the lever is not leaking oil, your problem is the shimstack, if yoire loosing oil through the lever its the orings. whatever the case the shock needs full service as in ALL the seals, and new compression shims.
9/10 times this is caused by low IFP pressure … you seem to feel like you know about this shock, but don’t know that? The shims can be just fine and this can still occur …
This. Not enough back pressure on the piston the lockout lever moves causes this. It's pretty easy to screw this up, even for a shop that has the proper tooling.
This was rebuilt last spring also, I ride moderately hard and I do ride alot. Is it worth another rebuild or a new shock? Seems crazy to rebuild every spring
Fox says rebuild every 100 hours. If you're riding a lot that's more than once a year.
yup, most shocks have the 100 hour/full rebuild. 90% of people probably dont follow that rule and loosely think of it as a recommendation. im just getting my first full sus in over a decade and have been deep diving into rear shocks. ill probably get a used shock or manitou mara pro for my backup for when my main spring is at the shop
Manitous are nice and you can service them yourself without all the bullshit.
yeah, i got the mezzer pro for that reason for the build, i just was won over to the tigon by cane creeks video with sterling, since my build is also a single pivot steel frame bike
Is that for front shocks too? How many hours can you get out of a front Rockshox Judy??
Different brands, models, and years have different service intervals. RockShox has made variations of the Judy fork for about 30 years so you'd have to google your specific version. Generally speaking coil suspension has longer service intervals than air, and higher performance air models have shorter service intervals than lower performance models with simpler damper systems.
I had to have my Fox float X2 serviced 4 times within the span of 10 months. Fox was tired of me so they sent a new one for free 😅 Fortunately the new one has held up much better.
I’m guessing you just changed the seals and considered that a rebuild. A full rebuild is more involved and can be done with the proper tools but usually it’s much easier to just send into Fox or another service outlet.
I must be nerdy cuz I love rebuilding all my suspension myself. It only takes a couple hours and if you know what you're doing you don't even need the stupid nitrogen. Air works just fine and is far safer for home service.
New shock.
Was it a full damper rebuild or air can service that happened last spring? Air can service wouldn't interact with the parts/conditions that cause the loose lever. It's worth a full damper rebuild if it's due or you haven't done that in the past. Otherwise, maybe it's time for an upgrade.
Or the disk to lever connection is getting stripped out.
Did you get an air can service or full damper rebuild? A messed up lockout lever is a damper issue. Send it to Fox or Suspension Syndicate if your local shop can't do this service (most shops can't, or aren't very good at it.)
This could also indicate that IFP pressure is released. Anyway, needs service.
This is the most accurate comment here! Well done! Glad someone actually understands how this shock works …
Thanks! I’ve disassembled this few times and fucked up IFP pressuring one time too. This is exactly how it reacted, when the oil was not pressured. I’ve also seen long time non serviced DPSs that do this. But IFP and how shock valves work are things that every full suspension rider should familiarize.
And specification: more pressure in shock doesn’t fix that.
Not sure about the shock but cut yer damn nails!
could be worse, could be full of dirt oil and crud and be that length. but seriously i cant stand when my nails get even half tthat long
Those are not long: that's nothing.
That thumb is something else lol
I had the same issue ever since I got a new bike. One LBS recommended a full rebuild, another LBS said this is a very common problem with Fox Floats and if the compression and rebound is working well, don't bother with it. Web search also shows that you should tighten the set screw, as others mentioned. I decided not to bother because the shock is functioning perfectly fine.
The one on my new Top Fuel did this. Bought a RockShox Deluxe takeoff from a higher spec Top Fuel for $200 and sent the Fox in for warranty repair. When it comes back I'll sell it. For me, the RockShox is wayyy better.
That's a normal amount of play. The lever is connected to a cam type assembly that pushes on a rod with some shims on the end that sits over the piston (called the lockout plate). Open means it's furthest away from the piston and the cam has to keep it pushed out of the way to let oil through. Medium is slightly closer and the piston but still needs to be held away to allow slightly less oil through. In lockout position, the shims are right up against the piston, blocking oil flow. This is also the loosest position for the cam assembly because it's not holding the shims away from the piston. It's just letting the oil pressure keep the piston blocked by the shims. So. In locked out position, it makes sense there will be a little play. The cam is essentially disengaged. Don't touch any of the little screws unless you know exactly what you are doing. It could result in oil spraying out necessitating a rebuild. The grub screw on the blue lever is safe to double check though. All that being said, it may still be time for a service. If the nitrogen pressure has gone down, a similar result may occur. I hope that clears it up.
Your compression is blown. Needs large service asap
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The shaft the set screw interfaces with has been damaged because someone pushed the blue lever too far, so the stop machines into it has been broken off. It’s an easy fix at next full service. You can wait if the compression is still switching currently otherwise it’ll need a rebuild. The part only costs a few dollars.
My float dps does the same thing. I'm just ignoring it for now as a rebuild is $200 and it still works fine. I'll probably upgrade to a super deluxe with a res when I have the money.
Literally had this issue yesterday. Tighten the two grub nuts. One on the lever and one above the lever ~ 1cm from the lever. Tighten a quarter turn at a time and check the play.
Just send it. Duct tape
no, good for send
The Fox shock on my brand new Remedy 8 did this when new ! The lever spun all the way around on mine. Sent the shock in to Fox service and they fixed it under warranty. The Fox fork on my Remedy was also broken. It came from new with too much oil so that blew out the damper. I noticed I was only getting 120mm of travel in a 140mm fork. Fox also fixed that under warranty and the fork worked so much better…. Few years later when I got a Top Fuel the fork lockout came broken from factory so had to send that to Fox and they fixed it under warranty. So now when I get a new bike with Fox I just send the fork and shock in for a rebuild when new. They always come back working better than OEM. Shouldn’t be surprising that suspension built in Asia by children wouldn’t work as well as hand built suspension from a Fox service center.
Na your good just keep shredding
My LBS told me the lever is engineered this way on purpose to shrug off snags by your shorts or other gear. I've found all my shock levers to be similar.