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slimb0

Norway: Fish it is, then!


kuchinomad

Fish and seasonal raiding to Britannia!


nerdyjorj

Everyone knows the clergy are a hardy perennial, great farming practices by the vikings


[deleted]

And we are the workds biggest salmon exporter


Live-Alternative-435

Cod dealers.


franzee

And what is that black smudge in the middle of the sea?? Probably worthless.


Fickle_Effect3643

The Scottish Highlands were once covered by the Caledonian Forests. Human activity and unchecked grazing by sheep and deer caused to massive soil erosion. It's a barren wasteland devoid of its former biodiversity in all but a few pockets.


TaibhseCait

Similar thing apparently happened to the west of ireland in the stone age. But also Ireland (& probably Scotland) were scrapped clean by glaciers during the ice age!


Subject-Canary-988

Fun fact, we’re still in an ice age!


Master_Trust_636

Just wait until the gulf stream changes direction in 50-100 years, then youll see iceage in Europe. 


itookdhorsetofrance

And then the Brits for Oak in the middle ages


richkeogh

same thing happened in the Cambrian mountains in Wales, it was once temperate rainforest, now it's almost completely barren after centuries of sheep farming predominantly. there have been some calls to reforest it, but there are also objections to that from the people who live there and work on the land, especially as it's a bit of a refuge for the Welsh language.


Schmittiboo

Which is why I can only recommend stuff like [mossy.earth](https://www.mossy.earth)


Significant-Secret88

The score is here refers to land use for agricolture > Sites with a final score of 100 can be seen as sites with the best suitable soils for agriculture, whereas soils with SQR scores < 40 can be regarded as very poor or poor with regard to agricultural land use (https://soil.copernicus.org/articles/4/267/2018/). There are areas with forests in the map (Norway or the Alps for example) that are still coloured in red, as not suitable for agricolture. Not that what you're saying is wrong, but you might be giving a wrong interpretation to what the map is showing. -Edit, grammar


jreykdal

Iceland as well.


TimeEstablishment757

No, no, they got screwed over by the little ice age, a period in time where the earth cooled a lot and it lasted between like 1330-1815, and it kind of ruined a lot of places in Europe because of the lowered global temperature


jreykdal

And human/sheep influence. And it's still going on.


Zoloch

Even with forests. It’s the mountains soil, usually very thin,rocky and steep terrain. The red in this map is mainly a map of mountains and massifs in Europe: you can clearly see the Alps, Pyrenees, Apenines, Cantabrian Mountains, the Central and Iberian cordilleras, the Carpathians, Galician Massif, Dinaric Alps, Scandinavian Alps etc etc


palpatineforever

Honestly while thats partly true the biggest influnace is the type of soil to start with. the whole of the uk used to be covered with forest and has been farmed for a long time. The uk has different geology running across it, some areas the top layers are older than others, and some are richer in minerals than others. age doesn't necessarily make for good or bad soil it varies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology\_of\_Great\_Britain


UncleBenders

Same in wales, the mountains used to be covered in oak trees and old forest. It’s just ferns that crowded everything else out now


BaconJakin

How long does it take for soil to regain its biodiversity and health? Thousands of years?


Downtown_Aspect7691

Yes, but think of all the humans that have been fed by those sheep….


No-Lion3887

The Scottish Highlands are anything but barren. They comprise huge levels of biodiversity and enormous terrestrial carbon stores.


guycg

You make a good point about some of the carbon stores, but nowhere on land in the UK comprises huge levels of biodiversity.


ddven15

Huge levels of biodiversity?? There are barely any mammals left in the UK other than humans and cattle.


Pufferfish39

Hungary, Romania and Ukraine pulled the soil quality jackpot


vilvarlamov

Unfortunately our soil are dangerous now because of the war. There are a lot of mines, missiles, damaged military stuff and dead bodies. We gonna need a lot of time to make it safe. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


I_eat_dead_folks

At least most of the western bank of the Dnipro is still usable. Look at North Western Spain.


vilvarlamov

Oh dude, our farmers work even in east. They make homemade deminers and clear their lands. I so proud of them, really unbreakable people.


I_eat_dead_folks

Good to hear that! You can be certain that your agricultural lands will be your recommendation card to enter the EU... Whenever we find out how to solve our own agricultural problems. But by the time the war ends, hopefully that problem will be solved. How's everything going over there? Let's hope Trump doesn't win and everything goes to shit.


vilvarlamov

Our agricultural also a big problem, because it cheaper so EU afraid that it will collapse the market. But probably at that time price gonna rise a bit, we'll see. I'm in lviv now so it's kinda safe here. At the east part it's hard, at the front line it's totally hell. For me trump is a stalin before world war and putin is a hitler. Those assholes was a partners too before the world war. Gonna see what happens.


I_eat_dead_folks

Yeah... The good thing is that you can expect a plan Marshall when all this is over, and that should ease up the transition to European Regulations, that would make the balance more fair. And I am pretty sure that there is an agrarian reform incoming (the pressure is a real thing, for once), so everything in that sense should just go on. Courage. Better times will arrive for Ukraine and Europe as a whole


vilvarlamov

Hope everything gonna be ok. But don't relax, we have a lot things to change here, because of USSR heritage. And don't reject possiblity of ww3.


I_eat_dead_folks

Of course you have. But it is clear that you have the will for change (that's probably part of the reason why you have resisted for 2 years already, and you will probably still resist). And that's a very important part of the process. As for ww3, I guess none of us will have no saying of whatever it will happen, unless you somehow infiltrate your way to Moscow and introduce a Tomahawk into Putin's ass. So if it happens (provided that we aren't instantly nuked into oblivion), I guess we will have to fight together.


vilvarlamov

Hope it won't happen


mnpolat

If your soil is so good, why you grow something cheap like wheat?


vilvarlamov

We grew a lot of cultures, not only wheat.


mnpolat

Lol, cultures? You all are just sub-russians dude. Btw, you didn't answer the question. Why wheat?


Only-Combination-127

About Hungary specifically. In the 20 th century, Hungary was one of the leaders of the grain export. Correct me somebody, but if I'm not wrong Hungary was on the 3d place in Europe in the export of wheat.


Pufferfish39

If thats true, then it was probably before Trianon.


tredbobek

I guess the soviets didnt help either. They tried to make us into an industrial country, instead of agrarian


CardioBatman

Before Trianon, it was Austria-Hungary, so probably not.


Pufferfish39

The Kingdom of Hungary was a separate entity, inside the Austro-Hungarian empire. "Austria-Hungary was a military and diplomatic alliance of two sovereign states with a single monarch who was titled both emperor of Austria and King of Hungary." From the wikipedia page of Austria-Hungary


WarrenRT

You have to be careful with how they calculate Hungarian exports before 1919. Shipments to Austria (so "internally" within Austria-Hungary) sometimes get counted as "exports", when it's questionable whether they really should be.


faramaobscena

And the geopolitical opposite of a jackpot.


Pufferfish39

What do you mean tho? Romania and Hungary are both in the EU and NATO so not much to worry about geopolitically. About Ukraine we know of course.


FroobingtonSanchez

I think OP meant landlocked or practically landlocked.


RomanianPower

How is Romania landlocked? It has the largest port on the Black Sea lol. The location is shit geopolitically because historically we were squished between 3 empires. Or at least I think that's what they were alluding to.


FroobingtonSanchez

The only way to reach the open sea is going through a straight completely controlled by Turkey. It's not landlocked, but very limited in its possibilities. Especially before the era of global conventions. It could be the reason Romania was squished between 3 empires in the first place.


Ammear

Also, both were unfortunate enough to fall into the USSR's sphere of influence after WW2.


faramaobscena

Historically. That region of Europe was successively invaded from all sides throughout history.


meat_lasso

Let’s not sleep on Bulgaria


Juliane_P

And Belgium, or am i mistaken?


Odd_Direction985

I am guessing the south of Russia is the same quality as Moldova and Belarus.


BigMuffinEnergy

Feel like so much development potential throughout history was lost due to being the dumping ground for the latest round of steppe nomads. And, then the battle grounds for the Austrian, Russian, and Ottoman empires.


Pufferfish39

Yes, all this you said fits for all of them, Romania, Hungary and Ukraine too. The lands of all three were dumping ground for steppe nomads and then battlegrounds for those three empires. I never thought about it like that, indeed lots of potential was lost in these places because of these countries' geographical position


ihatetool

Spain and Italy are very red, yet they are big fruit/vegetable producers, I don't get it


paco-ramon

Mounrain terrain is red, but I see a lot of plantation in the side of mountains.


Joltie

This is cereal based soil quality, as well as other vegetation types that the study decided to verify as scalable/sellable. There is also practically no granularity. Simply put, it does not account for all types of fruits, as for instance, there is no difference between the river valleys, that are usually extremely fertile, and the mountain-side (In Portugal's example, the Douro valley is renowed for its quality wine harvest, but it is not especially plentiful. Nevertheless, it has the same quality as mountainous inland Portugal.


goodsam2

Yeah I was going to say for which crop?


AlfalfaGlitter

In the south east of Spain they produce most of the vegetables that are sold in Europe. It is the "sea of plastic" of Almería and the infamous crops of Murcia, where they make (afaik) more than one harvest of vegetables per year, because it's always sunny.


Vrulth

It's red for grain. Many red areas are really nice are for vineyard.


Constant-Estate3065

I guess fruit production doesn’t require particularly good soil. Most of England’s vineyards are in the chalk belt, and I think northern France is similar. Anywhere that has rich soil tends to be used for wheat/barley etc


[deleted]

Salt based nutrition from the devil


ricardo_jt_silva

Greenhouses do a great part.... I suggest a "birds view" over Almeria region... it is seen from satellite imagery...


Alex_O7

That's only part of the truth, while it is not true at all for Italy... It is because the map only shows wheat farms.


MikelDB

I guess the soil is bad, but you can always import the fertilisers right? I know nothing about agriculture...


WillTheConqueror1066

They don’t call Ukraine the breadbasket of Europe for nothing.


vilvarlamov

We also have special words for our soil - чорнозем pronounced chornozem. It means black ground, very fertile soil.


Valaxarian

Czarnoziemy my beloved


Pufferfish39

There's Chernozem in Hungary too, I live in Eastern Hungary in a Chernozem area and the soil is black here.


vilvarlamov

Cool. You have the same word for it?


Pufferfish39

Feketeföld. The Hungarianized original word "csernozjom" is also used.


Demjan90

Wait, I have a great idea, let's build battery manufacturing plants all over it. :/


SlouchyGuy

Several [international soil names](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Reference_Base_for_Soil_Resources#The_WRB_2022) are actually Slavic and include [chernozems](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernozem) because one of the first fundametal works on types of soils and specifically on chernozem was done in Russian Empire after abolition of serfdom.


onschi

Ah yes černozem


MadRonnie97

Don’t forget about the sweet sweet watermelons


FahkDizchit

You can see why Russia wants it.


Codex_Absurdum

This should be titled more specifically: "Soil quality in Europe for agricultural puposes"


MUGEN120

What else could "soil quality" refer to?


simensin

Maybe mudslide potential, and stability in general. The ground with a lot of mud is hard to build stable construction on.


JakeBlakeMate

Ability to build on


Silent-Laugh5679

I expected the NL to be much better.


Fuzzy_Continental

The red is a bit too dominant, bit its not entirely inaccurate. The red regions are mainly peat soil, which isn't ideal for farming. Cattle will work, but crops are more difficult. Its the same with sand.


Isernogwattesnacken

It is. Nonsensical map.


Silent-Laugh5679

Yes, three major rivers bringing the manure and soil from all of Europe and the soil is bad???


BarryBadpakk

You’re forgetting that the rivers also bring water, which creates peat. The red parts are mostly peat soils. They are poor in quality for agriculture but great in quality for biodiversity.


akie

Mediocre land but major agricultural exporter.


malevolentheadturn

The good soil in Ireland seems to be located in Ireland's vast peat bogs


UGS_1984

Hows Norwegian gardening btw.


No_Zombie2021

Hard work


chrisforsol

Very steep.


VoyagerKuranes

Stealing black soil from England


Voffmjau

Moss and rocks.


SupperPupperULTIMATE

Also known as chiseling


BigMuffinEnergy

Anyone know why there is a pocket of fertility around stockholm?


Arkeolog

After the last ice age, the area around Stockholm had been depressed by the weight of the ice and was far below sea level. During several thousand years, mighty layers of fine clay was deposited by the Baltic Sea in the valleys carved by the ice that was then sea bottom. Isostatic lift then raised the area of Mälardalen above sea level, and those clay deposits are now very fertile agricultural land.


Voffmjau

River basin probably.


EricProl

Explains why most live around that area.


herrkardinal

The lake Mälaren probably contributes, and leafy woodland/rolling lush fields compared to the pine based growth and rocky soil in many other orange areas in Sweden.


Tell_Todd

Belgium easily has best countryside


Successful-Chest6749

no wonder why Ukraine is one of the top grain exporters in the world.


Odd_Direction985

I am guessing very good quality is in the south of Russia , Moldova and Belarus.


Bardon29

You can see Ukrainian-Polish border if you zoom in.


[deleted]

The Panonian plain is giving plenty to Romania Hungary and Serbia.


bisfunn

Wow I’m shocked by Italy and spain


Easy-Bet1982

Why Galicia is so red?


vilvarlamov

Because of mountains


Easy-Bet1982

But Galicia is not specially mountainous. Its a conspiracy!


vilvarlamov

I think at this map some % of all territory. I'm living in lviv now and if you go outside the city you immediately see the great fields. But it's mostly raps, technical culture.


Easy-Bet1982

Be safe man.


DoggedlyOffensive

I’m colourblind, so is Wales great or awful?


solid-snake88

Mountains


Adam8418

That’s why they used to call Ukraine the food bowl for Europe eh


EbaCammel

What did Moldova do? Lol


JohanTravel

Their soil was so fertile that it was of the charts


Amazing-Town-1043

Ukraine is mentioned not in war context!!! 😍✨💅🏼🇺🇦💪🏻


balletje2017

Flevoland Netherlands. Everyone hates us in Netherlands. But our soil.


haringkoning

If the soil in Southern Spain is so poor, why does it provide so much fruit and vegetables?


Subject-Effect4537

Not all fruits and vegetables need good soil. Olives, for example, thrive in dry, almost barren soil, and Spain is covered in olive trees. I think they grow to their strengths. Spain also has a lot of sun and can harvest all year long.


VoyagerKuranes

Massive greenhouses you can see from space


QuickAd9263

Damn so thats why the Vikings took off. Couldnt grow crop for shit 💀


Willz-Iam

West-Flanders super soil


Abject-Management558

Is this natural quality? Human induced? Or both?


Aguia_ACC

There is no such thing as untouched nature in Europe. Deforestation, agriculture, grazing animals, settlements, drained swamps, straightened rivers... It's all influenced by human civilization.


Username_1507

Lapland?


Cherry-Prior

The reindeer industry is to Lapland like sheep to Scotland.


Arkeolog

The forest in Swedish Lappland is basically all planted and tended by the logging industry. The tundra is less affected, but the world’s largest iron mine is located in Kiruna in northern Lappland. There are some gorgeous national parks up there though.


bambamba8

From flatlands mostly


von_Tohaga

As a swede I am surprised that Skåne and Västergötland don't have better values. But maybe they are only good farming regions in a swedish context.


InternationalDiet485

Agree. The soil in central Västergötland is literally used almost exclusively for wheat and other grains, as opposed to the green marked areas in Uppland which are mainly pine trees clinging on to rocks.


blackmarketmenthols

The best produce I've ever had was in Italy.


Desperate_Camp2008

we are basically looking at a topographic map, aren't we?


Tengrism

Love how you can basically make out the Norwegian border almost perfectly from this


Emeloria

And that’s why Russia wants Ukraine


painter_business

\#2 reason why Ukraine should join EU.


Verain_

why is there a visible border between sweden and norway?


Arkeolog

It’s not the border. It’s the central massif of the Scandes mountain range that you can see colored red. The border between the countries happens to follow the mountain range.


g3nerallycurious

Now we know why Norwegians eat pickled fish


neymarsocer

We dont


anton19811

How is it possible that Ukraine which widely is considered to have some of the best soil in Europe…has both very poor and very good right next to each other. A country like Poland (its neighbour) is instead almost all moderate.


Designer_Cloud_4847

Poorway


Meneerjojo

Do different countries survey differently? Some borders are quite visible (Romania-Ukraine, Sweden-Norway, Germany-Austria/Switzerland/Poland)


KnightswoodCat

Ireland produces a huge multiple of the food it requires.


lo_fi_ho

Ukraine: yes


[deleted]

This is why the Vikings raided


Downtown_Aspect7691

This map is nonsense. It has all of the centre of Ireland (peatland) down as very good and all the good land down as moderate!


OccamsPhasers

How does Italy have good wine if they have bad soil? Doesn’t that make bad grapes?


alessiojones

The green parts near Florence and light green on the east coast are where most of the grapes are grown, Italy wine region maps will look similar to this map too. The red parts are the mountains that are too high and rocky to grow much. The map is basically the same as the population density map, the Appennine Mountains that run down the spine of Italy don't have much going on in general.


solongsofa

Poor quality soil makes better grapes. It's why they normally grow them on an incline, too.


VoyagerKuranes

The hardest it’s to grow them, the better they are


BeginningLevel9296

With all that great land(Romania) we still eat vegetables from Spain, Nederland, Greece and Turkey. We also have mutilated our irrigation systems. weird having so many rivers(small ones,now starting to dry out). Nature is the only good thing in Romania.we do not deserve it.


SackoVanzetti

Is Italy red because of all the toxic sewage the mafia buried


doupIls

Paints a good picture as to why putin is invading ukraine.


ywegd

Hope everyone sees now what’s the true reason for Russian agression in Ukraine


Strive2Achieve1

It’s crazy that even Reddit users fallen to woke propaganda of ignoring Russia and Belarus. Great to know that even on the most independent of platforms there are morons. Absolutely incredible.


quez_real

When you can see the country borders on a soil quality map, you can be pretty sure that this is highly likely a bullshit map.


ExpressionOk663

ukraine isn’t europe


mikeeez

Available in THQ ?


YesNoMaybe67

Very nice. Can you recreate with US soil??


expertasw1

This map is well designed!


CovfefeBoss

Ukraine: ![gif](giphy|t2eBr71ACeDC0)


RemarkableGreen7452

London and Paris are so big they got cut out


lazylagom

What's up with sweden ?


javier_aeoa

How can Italy and Spain have the stereotype of mediterranean diet and so rich cuisine with that soil :O


Unlikely_Baseball_64

Now you understand why sheep in Wales outnumber people 4 to 1.


_Reddit_2016

By my estimations this has Chernobyl as Dark Green (very good) soil quality


JHollister1

You are actually correct


atopetek

I would never have thought that about Galicia (north-west Spain). I guess fertility doesn’t necessarily mean quality ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thinking_face_hmm)


itoboi

please think about color blind people while picking color for demonstrations. ı am not able to differential red from the other red and also green from the other green


marcandreewolf

Source is … you? Great work!!! 😞🧐


Lex4709

Well, this explains why Roman Empire depended on shipments from North Africa for their grain.


spartikle

What's up with Galicia? It's so green and it's always raining there. Must be the mountains.


stepfel

A lot of the red areas in the Mediterranean, Britain and Spain were deforested for shipbuilding


Drimesque

i thought the netherlands had like the best soil in the world because a lot of the land was artificially made


enzob7319

And we are using it to build battery factories for China and poison the ground, awesome.


JonnyReece

@OP what is the source for this map please?


Mr_memez69

WHO THE FUCK PAINTED ON MY MAP


DistributionVirtual2

Now I wonder, how is it that France managed to be a medieval super power in Europe thanks to having yes population due to agriculture, but Hungary and Romania didn't?


Careful_Adeptness799

That will be why Wales doesn’t grow anything but sheep.


lioudrome

If I were a villain, I would have my eyes set on Ukraine Oh wait


nikkeijapan

Soild quality in France looks impressive compared to neighbors


thecasualcaribou

The Italians sure give it their damndest to cultivate anywhere though


scnlrhksw

Crimea is Russia now, weird to include that in the Ukraine.


meksicka-salata

yeah, about that, check the ukraine red and dont ask why


SaltyArchea

I am pretty sure I can see my grandmothers farm on this map, lol. Remember, when EU were measuring soil quality in her land, the guy said that is was the worst soil that he ever seen. Said, that is is basically sand. It is in Lithuania btw, not much red there, so easier to notice.


puddaphut

Very strange how western peripheries are, for the most part, poor.


rf97a

And people wonder why Nordic cuisine is bad…


Widukind_Dux_Saxonum

Wait a second: I was taught that Ukraine has this massive amounts of black soil and has one of the most fertile soils in the world.


Koffeinhier

I don’t understand shit from this map bcz I’m colourblind


NoCSForYou

Hungary is green. How did the triple alliance not have more food during WW1?


JGXJM

ROMANIA WINNING IN SOMETHING RRRAAAHHHH, WHAT THE FUCK IS DRIED GRASS