Yeah, Mormons didn’t go recruit…I mean convert…a bunch of people from China to join their Rocky Mountain, polygamous, Bible fan-fiction sex cult. They did with England though.
Just to be clear the “Irish” that you see in the southern states like Tennessee or Kentucky is overwhelming scots-Irish not “Gaelic” Irish. Really ethnically they are Scottish
I don't understand how someone who comes from a Protestant tradition would think that their family heritage was Irish? I've always known my people were Scottish.
Right? So annoying when they lump Irish and Scottish people together, like there wasn't one of the bloodiest modern conflicts in recent memory in Europe by these people. Not to mention, they have extremely different histories. The Scottish and Scotch Irish that settled in the Appalachias primarily were a much earlier wave of immigration than the Irish who primarily came over after the potatos failed. Also, the Irish were Catholics and Scotch Irish are pretty much hilly billies.
I’m one of those hilly billies from one of those green counties in Kentucky and my 23andme says I’m really and truly Irish, distinct from my Scottish and English heritage. Surely there must be more than one of us who know our own heritage.
They're a mix of lowland scots and Northern English that were (settled? Exiled? Relocated?) to Ulster county in the 1600s when King James VI/I took over Scotland and England. They eventually moved to the 13 colonies in large numbers.
You're the third person telling me about this yet I learn some more details each time. Gives me an impression that there are a lot of passionate people here. I like it. Thank you.
I frequent the DNA subreddits and this is a highly discussed and sometimes contentious topic there. Also I'm genetically connected to this stock and have detailed family records so I have a general idea of the history. .
That little orange dot on the southern border of NC is Robeson County, home to the Lumbee tribe. if you’re from the Northeast & have ever traveled to Myrtle Beach or Florida for vacation, you’ve almost certainly passed through the county & would likely remember it by the high concentration of kitschy South of the Border billboards, but it’s a genuine (if a little rough-hewn) cultural gem. There really isn’t a spot with a comparable amount of Native American influence in the Southeast (although arguably the same could be said for the Qualla Boundary Cherokee lands in NC’s far western tip). If you’re ever passing through or live somewhat close by, Pembroke & the rest of Robeson County is definitely worth at least a day trip.
TL;DR - in 1958 the Lumbee beat the shit out of some klansmen.
>During the 1950s, the Lumbee made nationwide news when they came into conflict with the [Knights of the Ku Klux Klan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan), a white supremacist terrorist organization, then headed by [Grand Dragon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Wizard) [James W. "Catfish" Cole](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._%22Catfish%22_Cole). Cole began a campaign of harassment against the Lumbee, claiming they were "[mongrels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongrel) and [half-breeds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-breed)" whose "race mixing" threatened to upset the established order of the [segregated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States) [Jim Crow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws) South.[^(\[36\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbee#cite_note-Life-36) After giving a series of speeches denouncing the "loose morals" of Lumbee women, Cole burned a cross in the front yard of a Lumbee woman in [St. Pauls, North Carolina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Pauls,_North_Carolina), as a "warning" against "race mixing".[^(\[36\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbee#cite_note-Life-36) Emboldened, Cole called for a Klan rally on January 18, 1958, near the town of [Maxton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxton,_North_Carolina). The Lumbee, led by veterans of the Second World War, decided to disrupt the rally.
>The "[Battle of Hayes Pond](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hayes_Pond)", also known as "the Klan Rout", made national news.[^(\[36\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbee#cite_note-Life-36) Cole had predicted more than 5,000 Klansmen would show up for the rally, but fewer than 100 and possibly as few as three dozen attended. Approximately 500 Lumbee, armed with guns and sticks, gathered in a nearby swamp, and when they realized they possessed an overwhelming numerical advantage, attacked the Klansmen. The Lumbee encircled the Klansmen, opening fire and wounding four Klansmen in the first volley, none seriously. The remaining Klansmen panicked and fled. Cole was found in the swamps, arrested and tried for inciting a riot. The Lumbee celebrated the victory by burning Klan regalia and dancing around the open flames.[^(\[36\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbee#cite_note-Life-36)
>The Battle of Hayes Pond, which marked the end of Klan activity in Robeson County, is celebrated as a Lumbee holiday
Hell yeah! I absolutely love that bit of Lumbee/NC history. I’m from Rowan County, which for several decades was the home of the NC chapter of the United Klans of America.
Headquarters were in the tiny town of Granite Quarry & whenever our town’s high school played theirs, there would always be a week-long glut of KKK jokes. I knew that part of the county was markedly whiter than the rest of it, but I was 27 before I discovered that the Klan “jokes” weren’t really jokes at all. In fact, I only ended up learning about the pervasive ties between Rowan Co. & the Klan after watching a nationally televised PBS documentary.
I must tell ya, it was viscerally disappointing to be in a place so tight-knit & brimming with storytellers/oral history, only to find out about such a glaring part of our immediate past via stumbling upon a random PBS documentary rather than, say, my Grandpaw.
Edit: added paragraph spacing for readability’s sake.
Yep, there is a long history of white supremacists targeting Indian communities in Robeson county. Back when my family left, the issue was slavecatchers who classified local Indians as black due to the tribes having assimilated a lot of free blacks. Couple decades later, the family of my ancestor were being enslaved by the Rebels, while his specific family were considered fairly prosperous "white" landholders in Texas.
A lot of local Indians historically varied a lot in appearance due to being mixed race. Some looked white, some looked Native, some looked black. My family looked white enough, but so did the Lumbee the Confederates enslaved during the Civil War. They'd yank your family's census documents and classify you based on that.
My grandmother's family left the area in the 1800s likely due to the increasing restrictions on the local Indian communities. Easier to pass yourself off in other parts of the country and achieve more economic/social mobility.
Wait, *that's* where "south of the border" is?!
When I was a kid, like 9 or 10, I took a car trip down the East Coast to Florida with my dad. It was the middle of the night and I was asleep. My dad shook me awake and said "hey, wake up, we're South of the Border!!" And in my sleepy haze I answered "we're in Mexico?" He just laughed and I fell back asleep.
As an adult I just assumed we had crossed the Mason-Dixon Line or something and he was joking around. I never realized South of the Border was a real place! Neat.
It’s actually in the adjacent county right over the NC/SC line (hence the dad joke of a name, lol) in Dillon, SC. But lord knows they do not skimp on the roadside advertising along I-95; the SOTB billboards start regularly popping up once you hit Raleigh’s southern suburbs & apparently they used to put them up as far north as Washington, D.C.
It’s spectacularly tacky, not to mention tone-deaf & pretty racist, but somehow it still inexplicably manages to give off a cozy, nostalgic vibe. In other words, it’s the perfect representation of South Carolina.
> It’s spectacularly tacky, not to mention tone-deaf & pretty racist, but somehow it still inexplicably manages to give off a cozy, nostalgic vibe. In other words, it’s the perfect representation of South Carolina.
Never heard a more accurate representation of SC.
interestingly, there is a lot of well-founded speculation that the Lumbee tribe are not actually native americans. Genetic testing shows that they are mostly have mixed- black and white ancestry.
But that’s also contested. The main source of the “97% European/african ancestry” claim, which is the most common one used, actually said that 97% of Y-dna samples with an identified origin were European/african, but that only accounted for something like 40% of the samples.
Not that it’s certain that the rest are indigenous. But it’s more up in the air than people claim, at least in regards to dna.
whatever the people prefer to say. so it has a lot to day with cultural bias of the people who live today. some americans can get really weird about their ancestry to put it mildly.
This is it. It's self-reported.
Unsurprisingly, English is actually the dominant heritage among white Americans. But that is not reflected in this map as it's self-reported. English heritage is a bit boring.
Mormons are obsessed with tracking ancestry and have far better knowledge about their ancestors than other Americans. Many of the best ancestry-tracking services are Mormon-run.
The Mormon settlers moved west in the 1840’s, well before the mass waves of immigration in the late 1800’s from places like Ireland, and southern/Eastern Europe. Thus they’re overwhelmingly descended from English colonial stock.
This, if this map was an accurate trace of ancestry it would be divided mostly between Britain, Spain and France, but that’s boring so you got some English, almost no french and not a single Spanish.
Same with Irish but Germans really came over in waves. There's definitely more people of German and Irish ancestry than English. Not sure about the rest
Well of course you are talking about numbers at point of entry, however by the time the Irish and German immigrants started arriving the English had been there for 1-200 years and had rather grown the population somewhat to 17m by 1840. The total German immigration between 1840 and today is 7 million and 6 million Irish, and 4.5 million Brits in the same time, but the 17 million already there were also reproducing don’t you know. So please don’t think the Germans are more prevalent in America than the British. The five most common names in the USA are Smith ,Williams, Garcia, Brown and Davies. Don’t know many Irish or German families with those names.
Whatever is more recent or a bigger influence on your life.
Example: Brazilian/Italian on dad’s side and English on mom’s. I identify with Brazilian and Italian since we’re closer to that family.
This is accurate. My most dominant heritage per a DNA test is British (mix of English, Scottish, Welsh). But I generally identify myself by the second most dominant heritage of Eastern European Ashkenazi Jew because 1) my surname sounds very Eastern European and it’s always a conversation starter and 2) that part of my family held on to their cultural identity the longest so I got to experience it growing up, hence it being a larger part of my identity.
That and also, heritages can become trendy. In the US, English, Scottish, and German heritages tend to be under reported, although a lot of people of English and Scottish descent simply choose "American" as their heritage.
In America, way too many people are reporting Irish and Italian heritage than what matches the facts about immigration. A lot of people of Scottish ancestry mistakenly think that they are Irish.
Possibly, but another big reason is that about 7% of Americans identify their ethnicity as “American”. Of course almost all of those who do are actually of British descent. Leading to an undercount of those with British ancestry.
Actually America had a ton of immigration from Germany, and this immigration was steady. German was almost the second language of the US. There probably were more immigrants from Germany, or about the same. Because of the world wars, cultural ties with Germany were downplayed, but most all places that brew beer had a lot of German immigrants. A ton of "American" food has it's origins in Germany like sausage (and so hot dogs), potato salad, hamburgers, pork chops. There's more.
Glad to see this post. Was going to make one but figured that someone else must have pointed it out. Maps based on molecular markers show overwhelming British Isles heritage in places where self reported data shows German, for example.
If my paternal grandfather was old stock American descended from British colonial settlers but my other three grandparents were the children of German immigrants, what does that make me?
Not to mention many Germans anglicized their last names, so even though their surname might seem British, they’re descended from Germans.
This! must say, as a European, it really surprises me how Americans, not all but in my experience many, claim to be German, French, Norwegian etc. just because their great great great something emigrated from Europe 100-500 years ago
There's simply no way this is accurate. Perhaps, this is based on how people answered a survey due to their own misconception of their ethnicity. But, large swaths of the south and Appalachians would be English. The fact that English is nearly absent on here is shocking.
The South is English but the Apalachias were mostly settled by people from Scotland (or Scots Irish also), but yeah, not Irish people. The climate reminded them of Scotland.
It's purely self-reported. People tend to not like to identify as English and instead claim they are ethnically Irish, Italian, German etc., because English is seen as a 'boring' ancestry to have. It sounds quite silly, given that personality traits are not genetically inherited, but it's common in other countries too. For example, people in Argentina often like to claim to have Italian or German ancestry, even if their ancestors were Spanish.
Very interesting. I've found my dad to be nearly 100 percent English, and he thought he wasn't English at all. I researched both genetically and genealogically.
But America had a shit ton of German immigrants, especially in the midwest as shown on this map. That is accurate. Argentina also had a ton of immigrants from Germany and Italy.
1) It's based on the Census. It's accurate in the sense that this does reflect what the Census ancestry data says. Tbere's no way to get reliable data. Even those genetic tests aren't perfect (they're decidedly better for some ethnicities than others).
2) It's the largest single ancestry, and in a lot of those Southern counties, the Black population is larger than any single white ancestry.
It feels like everyone I know in my county is Swedish. They even have Swedish festivals and celebrations each year to honor the county's heritage.
I'm surprised that it came up as German.
The reason it doesn’t look like it on this map is because the areas with the most English Americans also have a lot of black Americans or Mexican/Spanish Americans
Still there were millions of Irish immigrants so it's not exactly unlikely Americans in the northeast have Irish born grandparents. I lived in New York and Massachusetts and it's certainly common. It's very evident in surnames and DNA tests.
Yeah, true. But I’m a white guy in Texas and somehow everyone I know has “Irish” heritage. My family lineage is English, which I believe is more common than people are willing to admit.
Most Americans are a mix of various European ancestors. Most likely almost any white person in Texas, or anywhere in the US, will have some English ancestry, some Irish ancestry, some German ancestry, etc.
I mean, the problem with identity is that it's vague. Most (white) americans are euromutts. When reporting this should I go with my last name (italian), the majority of my ancestry (palatinate, since germany didn't even exist at the time) or should I go with my english great grandma.
I imagine most people are like my family, a British/German split but the British side all came in the 1700s so there is no memory of it, while our great great grandparents were German. My mom knew the people who immigrated, so there's more of a connection there (as small as it might be).
Most people in the US of German descent are also of English descent. And Irish descent. And probably another few as well. White people in the US are a mix of everything. But predominantly English, outside of a few specific communities.
I know you are probably exaggerating, but there has been a ton of English immigration since the initial founding of Jamestown, especially since there was only like a hundred survivors. I imagine most (non-slave) immigrants from colonial times were from England/Scotland.
genetic tests exist and they don’t forget. a lot of immigration has happened since the founding of the country and other countries already had colonists in NA during expansion
Americans are mixed with a bunch of ethnicities so it’s probably that and other ethnicities too who cares plus English is not usually the most recent ancestry from our ancestry anyways they go by what they know hence the people saying English on the map.
Huh? English people mostly stopped immigrating to the US after the Revolutionary war. US population was about 3 million people. After that it was mostly Germans, Irish, and Italians, along with African slaves and smaller miscellaneous groups
There is no sauce. Just more bs for people to eat up. Unless this data pulls the accurate genealogy report of each person , this map cannot tell us what ancestry everyone is.
Interesting map, but English will always be the most underrepresented for a variety of reasons. The immigration wave was the earliest so it's harder to trace and the "old country" customs are most removed.
People will often point to the most recent immigration group among their ancestors if they have roots from multiple places.
For example, an old coworker of mine in Massachusetts had a very Slavic surname and talked regularly about being of Croatian descent (his grandfather moved here as a child). He took 23andMe and his results were 25% Croatian and 75% British and Irish. This is a VERY common occurrence in America in my experience.
> the "old country" customs are most removed.
To be fair, the "old country" British traditions form the basis of dominant American culture. For example, we took our language and legal system from England, That's partially why English is seen as a "boring" ancestry, because English culture is embedded within the foundation of the United States.
Why surprised? I've always heard that German heritage was the most common. Everything changes over time though, in the future most Americans will probably be descendants of Latin America.
That's the problem with ancestry maps that don't include Scotch-irish. The majority of white settlers immigrating to the southern Piedmont and the Appalachians in the 18th and 19th centuries were Scotch-irish. There's also a very strong correlation between areas that identify as just "American" ancestry and areas that saw the largest proportion of Scotch-irish settlers. It's massively under self-reported. Only 1%-2% of Americans report as Scotch-irish, but estimates place it at 10% of the population being of Scotch-irish ancestry. With them being of Scottish and Northern English ancestry, being born in Ireland they had no significant unique identity at the time and couldn't claim no one country as their ancestoral origin.
If anything they were the proto white American before America. An amalgamation of British ancestries and protestant cultures living in colonies (plantations) on land they stole from the native inhabitants (irish) eventually forming their own independent culture. So much of what we know as Appalachian/southern/hillbilly culture, music, and politics come directly from the Scotch-irish. Many of their core values in the 18th century has hardly changed compared to today's. When we label British isles ancestry as either English, Scottish, Irish, or Welsh it excludes the Scotch-irish who don't wholly fit into any of the categories. All of this also applies to northern New England to a lesser but still significant amount.
The Irish here really should be split into Irish (the north east) and Scots-Irish (hillbilly country) because both sources and both successor cultures are *very* opposed to each other.
Why do Redditors hate on ancestry so much? Obviously someone is going to more closely identify with Italy if their ancestors came there in the 1900s than some Englishman coming in the 1600s.
It's 90% bullshit shitting on Americans and acting like everyone who talks about their ancestry is from someone who came 200 years ago. My grandmother was actually born in Ireland. I don't ID as Irish because I wasn't close to that branch of the family at all (she converted to Judaism and got cut off) but it's hardly a million years ago -- I'm entitled to citizenship.
Europeans with old world mindsets who can't comprehend that Americans don't shed their identity as soon as they emigrate. Millions of us have parents or grandparents who didn't even speak English and they'll still laugh and call us larpers who are just American.
African American is its own ancestry. Otherwise we would have to specify which African *nations* each African American citizen derived from. Due to history as someone has already stated, it’s impossible, so African American is a “more recent” and valid ancestry. Similar to the Carribbean nations “also recent” *colonization*, it’s difficult to trace back which nation or ancestry group they came from, so they are also considered their own people if that makes sense, instead of Spanish / Portuguese, Indigenous, or the African nation they derived from.
“African” would encompass a lot of countries with different ethnicities, but “African American” is a new ancestry because slavery mixed people together and broke families apart. Basically most black people in the U.S. are unable to know their true main ancestry narrowed down to an actual country of origin.
Great map!
As far as African American having a whole “continent” that sounds ignorant. The term can also be reworded as descendants of slaves instead and maybe that’ll help you make sense of it.
And if you don’t understand the ancestry of slaves in America I can help. It’s very complex. African Americans can range from 50-100% SSA and still be 100% African American regardless.
Use any 18th century white person as an example and you’ll understand why English is “under represented”.
Some of you seem to think English and American ancestry should be synonymous. Ancestry deals with culture it’s different than genetics. After multiple wars against the British. The opposing ppl gained nationality and declared themselves American.
First off, I would point out this is really a map of how people most commonly identify their ancestry, as opposed to what their ancestry actually is. Like if you have a German last name, and the person carrying that name came here 200 years ago, you have about 319 other ancestors contributing the same amount of DNA as the guy with the name… so you would be at least 1/320th German. But feel free to put on the lederhosen!
Second,I’m curious what percentage of the “Irish” in the South actually descend from Scotch-Irish, and don’t realize that means they’re not actually Irish. Given the migration trends in the South, and how Scotch-Irish often identified just as Irish, I would guess.. almost 100%.
Northern New Mexico is likely the only spot where that could be the case. Lots of descendants of the early Spanish settlers in the region with little ties to the modern nation of Mexico.
No. Spanish would be from Spain, and the US saw relatively little Spanish immigration, though there are pockets of Basques in Nevada, Idaho, and California. I don't think enough to show up on the map.
Someone once told me that German was almost the official language of America, idk if that’s true or not but it kinda makes sense according to this map.
It’s an [urban legend](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhlenberg_legend) from the early years of the US and not true. The German language was the second most common language in the US for a decent amount of time and very common on places like the Midwest in the 1800s, but never was an official language.
Copper mining and forestry. Plus the environment is fairly similar. Saunas are very common up there, some people still speak Finnish there, etc. pretty cool place from what my friends who lived there told me.
Largely incorrect. It's the most commonly *answered* ancestry, but English will be far and away the most common ancestry in the United States due to the settlers who first landed there, and then the frequent emigration in the decades and centuries after.
People just don't self-identify as English because they either don't realise due to it being so long ago, or have more recent ancestry from elsewhere (in a different part of the family to their English line), even if English makes up the largest part of their ancestry.
For all intents and purposes, American = English in the US census. Eventually the number of people who self-identify as having English ancestry will dwindle to only a handful of millions, maybe even less, and that'll mostly be made up of more recent English immigrants.
This is partially true. I've done loads of research into older American families, including my own. Most white Americans throughout the US have at least one Anglo-American ancestor, unless they live in an area that's historically been an ethnic enclave.
However, these Anglo-Americans are not entirely of English descent. They are just the English-speaking, generally Protestant, descendants of British colonial settlers. Many of these settlers were not ethnically English, but the vast majority were. The general mix, from what I've observed, is English, German, Welsh, Irish Protestant, Scottish, French Huguenot, and Dutch, with some families perhaps having some Swedish/Finnish, African, and distant Native ancestry.
You can consider Anglo-Americans to be akin to Afrikaners in their ancestry, just replace English with Dutch.
A lot of people don’t seem to get this. “Paul Revere” might sound like an Englishman but his father was a guy named “Apollo Rivoire” who came to Boston from France. They were French Huguenots.
In my family tree, there are people with the last name “Clawson.” Could pass as English, but they were actually Dutch that anglicized their name from “Klaassen” to “Clawson.” The most egregious example in my tree was some people with the last name “McEntarfer.” That sounds Scottish. But when they stepped off the boat in the mid-1700’s their name was “Merckendoerfer.” Palatinate Germans. There’s several other examples in my tree alone. Anglicizing last names was pretty commonplace in colonial America. Assuming that a group of ancestors were English just because they have an English-sounding name is not a safe assumption in many cases.
I'm not underestimating it, but you may be *over*estimating it. Of the roughly 3.92m citizens in 1790, an estimated 2.1m of them were of English origin. Up to 1830, almost 99% of the population increase had been natural (internal), with very, very little immigration (10s of thousands per decade, at most 150k during the 20s). After that, there was an immigration boom, but that still only took the natural population increase down to 90% by 1850, when the US had a total population of around 23m.
With that in mind, the vast majority of the population increase for the next century or so would've still been natural, and whilst many of those natural increases would come to include previous immigrant populations of Irish, Germans, Scots etc., they still wouldn't outweigh the original English population continuing to grow alongside them.
~30 million immigrants came to the US between 1880 and 1930. The majority of them from eastern and southern Europe The US population was 123 million in 1930.
And the majority of the rest of that ~90 million would've been of English origin due to the much lower levels of immigration previously lol that really doesn't change my point whatsoever.
Well, you say 2.1 of 3.92 m were of English descent in 1790, or 53%. If that percentage stayed the same (which it didn’t) until 1930 then 53% of those 90 m in 1930, or 48 million of the 123 million population was of English descent. That’s not a majority, and we’ve only had more immigration since then
A lot of the Mexican, Central American, & some of the South American population is of Native American ancestry, many are of Spanish, Portugese, or Italian ancestry, & some are of African ancestries.
In the coming decades, the top three largest European ancestries in the US will be English, German, and Spanish (mostly via Mexico, Puerto Rico, and Cuba) ancestries.
So thats why north and south appalachia are so different!! I knew that the north was mostly german, swiss, and dutch but i didnt know that the south was irish and english!
Where's Scotch-irish? You can't have an American ancestry map without the Scotch-irish. There are more Americans of Scotch-irish descent than there are of Italian. Only problem is people today don't self-report as Scotch-irish, since they either choose "American" ancestry or Scotch-irish often isn't even an option.
Presuming you're talking about Asian Indians, most Indian migration is very recent and often t counties which are already very large and diverse (the Bay Area, NYC metro, Houston, etc.)
I’m from Middlesex County, I can’t tell if that is Filipino or Italian. I can confirm but I did think Indian would be on there. Regardless this is very interesting.
This is just the largest group in each county, not the majority. So if a county is 25% black and 75% white, but that white ancestry is divided among several different subgroups that are all smaller than 25%, the county would be colored as "black" here.
That, plus white Southerners being more strongly Republican than white people elsewhere, keeps the South red. One of the reasons Biden won Georgia in 2020 is he managed to get a whopping 1/3 of the white vote in the state, which combined with the large black population was enough to allow him to win. In places like Mississippi and Louisiana it's exceedingly rare for Democrats to get more than 20% of the white vote.
Did not realize the extent of German heritage. (Ironically I'm 50% German with a German last name) Considering the whole initial English colonization this is surprising to me.
Over 7 million Germans moved to the US over the years and they also had a number of descendants, which all together makes up around 42-45 million people or so.
English red and Chinese red are way too similar.
Yeah! I was so confused how there could be so many Chinese Americans in Utah!
my bad, i shouldve clarified that there was only one chinese county, and its super tiny in the sf area
It is in fact SF County
Yeah, Mormons didn’t go recruit…I mean convert…a bunch of people from China to join their Rocky Mountain, polygamous, Bible fan-fiction sex cult. They did with England though.
If you’re looking for the tiny pocket of Portuguese it’s southeast MA 🇵🇹
Too bad there's no azorean flag emoji
Found that out when I worked in Somerville in 2010
Were there numerous ports of geese?
Fall River is known to be very Portuguese
The biggest bridge in the world is the Braga bridge, spans from Swansea, Ma to Portugal.
Found the Sumol
Lmao. My town used to have a Seabra. Since it closed i can't get sumol.
NewBedford in the house $un.
If that’s Portuguese how am I supposed to tell the difference between Chinese and English
i was thank you
Thank you for the help. It is a appreciated.
Just to be clear the “Irish” that you see in the southern states like Tennessee or Kentucky is overwhelming scots-Irish not “Gaelic” Irish. Really ethnically they are Scottish
Which is why so many get confused when they find out their "family tartan" isn't really Irish.
I don't understand how someone who comes from a Protestant tradition would think that their family heritage was Irish? I've always known my people were Scottish.
That’s why the term scots-Irish is so useful. They are Scottish but their families came from Ireland before America
Right? So annoying when they lump Irish and Scottish people together, like there wasn't one of the bloodiest modern conflicts in recent memory in Europe by these people. Not to mention, they have extremely different histories. The Scottish and Scotch Irish that settled in the Appalachias primarily were a much earlier wave of immigration than the Irish who primarily came over after the potatos failed. Also, the Irish were Catholics and Scotch Irish are pretty much hilly billies.
I’m one of those hilly billies from one of those green counties in Kentucky and my 23andme says I’m really and truly Irish, distinct from my Scottish and English heritage. Surely there must be more than one of us who know our own heritage.
Scots Irish are from the Highlands, right?
No, Scots Irish are descendants of Scots settlers in what is now called Northern Ireland, who then emigrated to the US.
Got it.
Their Scottish roots are normally from the western coast of Scotland, think like Glasglow and down that western side.
They're a mix of lowland scots and Northern English that were (settled? Exiled? Relocated?) to Ulster county in the 1600s when King James VI/I took over Scotland and England. They eventually moved to the 13 colonies in large numbers.
You're the third person telling me about this yet I learn some more details each time. Gives me an impression that there are a lot of passionate people here. I like it. Thank you.
I frequent the DNA subreddits and this is a highly discussed and sometimes contentious topic there. Also I'm genetically connected to this stock and have detailed family records so I have a general idea of the history. .
That little orange dot on the southern border of NC is Robeson County, home to the Lumbee tribe. if you’re from the Northeast & have ever traveled to Myrtle Beach or Florida for vacation, you’ve almost certainly passed through the county & would likely remember it by the high concentration of kitschy South of the Border billboards, but it’s a genuine (if a little rough-hewn) cultural gem. There really isn’t a spot with a comparable amount of Native American influence in the Southeast (although arguably the same could be said for the Qualla Boundary Cherokee lands in NC’s far western tip). If you’re ever passing through or live somewhat close by, Pembroke & the rest of Robeson County is definitely worth at least a day trip.
TL;DR - in 1958 the Lumbee beat the shit out of some klansmen. >During the 1950s, the Lumbee made nationwide news when they came into conflict with the [Knights of the Ku Klux Klan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan), a white supremacist terrorist organization, then headed by [Grand Dragon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Wizard) [James W. "Catfish" Cole](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._%22Catfish%22_Cole). Cole began a campaign of harassment against the Lumbee, claiming they were "[mongrels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongrel) and [half-breeds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-breed)" whose "race mixing" threatened to upset the established order of the [segregated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States) [Jim Crow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws) South.[^(\[36\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbee#cite_note-Life-36) After giving a series of speeches denouncing the "loose morals" of Lumbee women, Cole burned a cross in the front yard of a Lumbee woman in [St. Pauls, North Carolina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Pauls,_North_Carolina), as a "warning" against "race mixing".[^(\[36\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbee#cite_note-Life-36) Emboldened, Cole called for a Klan rally on January 18, 1958, near the town of [Maxton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxton,_North_Carolina). The Lumbee, led by veterans of the Second World War, decided to disrupt the rally. >The "[Battle of Hayes Pond](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hayes_Pond)", also known as "the Klan Rout", made national news.[^(\[36\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbee#cite_note-Life-36) Cole had predicted more than 5,000 Klansmen would show up for the rally, but fewer than 100 and possibly as few as three dozen attended. Approximately 500 Lumbee, armed with guns and sticks, gathered in a nearby swamp, and when they realized they possessed an overwhelming numerical advantage, attacked the Klansmen. The Lumbee encircled the Klansmen, opening fire and wounding four Klansmen in the first volley, none seriously. The remaining Klansmen panicked and fled. Cole was found in the swamps, arrested and tried for inciting a riot. The Lumbee celebrated the victory by burning Klan regalia and dancing around the open flames.[^(\[36\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbee#cite_note-Life-36) >The Battle of Hayes Pond, which marked the end of Klan activity in Robeson County, is celebrated as a Lumbee holiday
Hell yeah! I absolutely love that bit of Lumbee/NC history. I’m from Rowan County, which for several decades was the home of the NC chapter of the United Klans of America. Headquarters were in the tiny town of Granite Quarry & whenever our town’s high school played theirs, there would always be a week-long glut of KKK jokes. I knew that part of the county was markedly whiter than the rest of it, but I was 27 before I discovered that the Klan “jokes” weren’t really jokes at all. In fact, I only ended up learning about the pervasive ties between Rowan Co. & the Klan after watching a nationally televised PBS documentary. I must tell ya, it was viscerally disappointing to be in a place so tight-knit & brimming with storytellers/oral history, only to find out about such a glaring part of our immediate past via stumbling upon a random PBS documentary rather than, say, my Grandpaw. Edit: added paragraph spacing for readability’s sake.
Fucking badass
Yep, there is a long history of white supremacists targeting Indian communities in Robeson county. Back when my family left, the issue was slavecatchers who classified local Indians as black due to the tribes having assimilated a lot of free blacks. Couple decades later, the family of my ancestor were being enslaved by the Rebels, while his specific family were considered fairly prosperous "white" landholders in Texas. A lot of local Indians historically varied a lot in appearance due to being mixed race. Some looked white, some looked Native, some looked black. My family looked white enough, but so did the Lumbee the Confederates enslaved during the Civil War. They'd yank your family's census documents and classify you based on that.
My grandmother's family left the area in the 1800s likely due to the increasing restrictions on the local Indian communities. Easier to pass yourself off in other parts of the country and achieve more economic/social mobility.
Wait, *that's* where "south of the border" is?! When I was a kid, like 9 or 10, I took a car trip down the East Coast to Florida with my dad. It was the middle of the night and I was asleep. My dad shook me awake and said "hey, wake up, we're South of the Border!!" And in my sleepy haze I answered "we're in Mexico?" He just laughed and I fell back asleep. As an adult I just assumed we had crossed the Mason-Dixon Line or something and he was joking around. I never realized South of the Border was a real place! Neat.
It’s actually in the adjacent county right over the NC/SC line (hence the dad joke of a name, lol) in Dillon, SC. But lord knows they do not skimp on the roadside advertising along I-95; the SOTB billboards start regularly popping up once you hit Raleigh’s southern suburbs & apparently they used to put them up as far north as Washington, D.C. It’s spectacularly tacky, not to mention tone-deaf & pretty racist, but somehow it still inexplicably manages to give off a cozy, nostalgic vibe. In other words, it’s the perfect representation of South Carolina.
> It’s spectacularly tacky, not to mention tone-deaf & pretty racist, but somehow it still inexplicably manages to give off a cozy, nostalgic vibe. In other words, it’s the perfect representation of South Carolina. Never heard a more accurate representation of SC.
interestingly, there is a lot of well-founded speculation that the Lumbee tribe are not actually native americans. Genetic testing shows that they are mostly have mixed- black and white ancestry.
But that’s also contested. The main source of the “97% European/african ancestry” claim, which is the most common one used, actually said that 97% of Y-dna samples with an identified origin were European/african, but that only accounted for something like 40% of the samples. Not that it’s certain that the rest are indigenous. But it’s more up in the air than people claim, at least in regards to dna.
What if the person has Polish, German, Italian, Dutch, Mexican, Spanish, Cherokee ancestry? How do they determine which group they belong to?
They are American.
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whatever the people prefer to say. so it has a lot to day with cultural bias of the people who live today. some americans can get really weird about their ancestry to put it mildly.
This is it. It's self-reported. Unsurprisingly, English is actually the dominant heritage among white Americans. But that is not reflected in this map as it's self-reported. English heritage is a bit boring.
Wonder why Mormons self report English then? Or is it just because of all the British immigrants in that region
Mormons are obsessed with tracking ancestry and have far better knowledge about their ancestors than other Americans. Many of the best ancestry-tracking services are Mormon-run.
The Mormon settlers moved west in the 1840’s, well before the mass waves of immigration in the late 1800’s from places like Ireland, and southern/Eastern Europe. Thus they’re overwhelmingly descended from English colonial stock.
This, if this map was an accurate trace of ancestry it would be divided mostly between Britain, Spain and France, but that’s boring so you got some English, almost no french and not a single Spanish.
English were here first and the dominant group early on but many more Germans came than English.
Same with Irish but Germans really came over in waves. There's definitely more people of German and Irish ancestry than English. Not sure about the rest
Well of course you are talking about numbers at point of entry, however by the time the Irish and German immigrants started arriving the English had been there for 1-200 years and had rather grown the population somewhat to 17m by 1840. The total German immigration between 1840 and today is 7 million and 6 million Irish, and 4.5 million Brits in the same time, but the 17 million already there were also reproducing don’t you know. So please don’t think the Germans are more prevalent in America than the British. The five most common names in the USA are Smith ,Williams, Garcia, Brown and Davies. Don’t know many Irish or German families with those names.
Smith is pretty common Irish last name. Also plenty of Germans (and Jews) likely anglicized Schmidt to Smith or Braun to Brown.
Whatever is more recent or a bigger influence on your life. Example: Brazilian/Italian on dad’s side and English on mom’s. I identify with Brazilian and Italian since we’re closer to that family.
Which ever one is more recent probably
Irish
You can report multiple ancestries on the census.
There must be a dominant heritage, It's very rarely equal
True, but the dominant heritage is not always the reported one.
This is accurate. My most dominant heritage per a DNA test is British (mix of English, Scottish, Welsh). But I generally identify myself by the second most dominant heritage of Eastern European Ashkenazi Jew because 1) my surname sounds very Eastern European and it’s always a conversation starter and 2) that part of my family held on to their cultural identity the longest so I got to experience it growing up, hence it being a larger part of my identity.
That and also, heritages can become trendy. In the US, English, Scottish, and German heritages tend to be under reported, although a lot of people of English and Scottish descent simply choose "American" as their heritage. In America, way too many people are reporting Irish and Italian heritage than what matches the facts about immigration. A lot of people of Scottish ancestry mistakenly think that they are Irish.
They go to a random number generator and determine their identity based on the generator's result
What group are they closely related to I guess.
Just going to put it out there - it's clear the majority descent of white non Hispanics is British from the surnames alone. DNA backs this up.
Yeah, maps like this are mostly due to Americans self-reporting and wanting to sound exotic.
Possibly, but another big reason is that about 7% of Americans identify their ethnicity as “American”. Of course almost all of those who do are actually of British descent. Leading to an undercount of those with British ancestry.
That doesn't make sense, what the fuck is exotic about having German ancestry? It's the most common on this map, that is the opposite of exotic.
It’s more “exotic” than English which is seen as the “default” due to colonial times
Actually America had a ton of immigration from Germany, and this immigration was steady. German was almost the second language of the US. There probably were more immigrants from Germany, or about the same. Because of the world wars, cultural ties with Germany were downplayed, but most all places that brew beer had a lot of German immigrants. A ton of "American" food has it's origins in Germany like sausage (and so hot dogs), potato salad, hamburgers, pork chops. There's more.
Glad to see this post. Was going to make one but figured that someone else must have pointed it out. Maps based on molecular markers show overwhelming British Isles heritage in places where self reported data shows German, for example.
If my paternal grandfather was old stock American descended from British colonial settlers but my other three grandparents were the children of German immigrants, what does that make me? Not to mention many Germans anglicized their last names, so even though their surname might seem British, they’re descended from Germans.
It makes you nothing. You're not German or British, you're American.
This! must say, as a European, it really surprises me how Americans, not all but in my experience many, claim to be German, French, Norwegian etc. just because their great great great something emigrated from Europe 100-500 years ago
Which counties are Chinese? I can't tell the reds apart well enough to read them on a map with other colors
There's simply no way this is accurate. Perhaps, this is based on how people answered a survey due to their own misconception of their ethnicity. But, large swaths of the south and Appalachians would be English. The fact that English is nearly absent on here is shocking.
The South is English but the Apalachias were mostly settled by people from Scotland (or Scots Irish also), but yeah, not Irish people. The climate reminded them of Scotland.
It's purely self-reported. People tend to not like to identify as English and instead claim they are ethnically Irish, Italian, German etc., because English is seen as a 'boring' ancestry to have. It sounds quite silly, given that personality traits are not genetically inherited, but it's common in other countries too. For example, people in Argentina often like to claim to have Italian or German ancestry, even if their ancestors were Spanish.
Very interesting. I've found my dad to be nearly 100 percent English, and he thought he wasn't English at all. I researched both genetically and genealogically.
But America had a shit ton of German immigrants, especially in the midwest as shown on this map. That is accurate. Argentina also had a ton of immigrants from Germany and Italy.
1) It's based on the Census. It's accurate in the sense that this does reflect what the Census ancestry data says. Tbere's no way to get reliable data. Even those genetic tests aren't perfect (they're decidedly better for some ethnicities than others). 2) It's the largest single ancestry, and in a lot of those Southern counties, the Black population is larger than any single white ancestry.
It feels like everyone I know in my county is Swedish. They even have Swedish festivals and celebrations each year to honor the county's heritage. I'm surprised that it came up as German.
Places that used to be proud of German heritage quickly swept that away when they become Enemy Number 1.
Lemme guess; Minnesota or Wisconsin?
Source?
English is by far the most common ancestry … for most Americans it was just so long ago that they don’t even know it.
The reason it doesn’t look like it on this map is because the areas with the most English Americans also have a lot of black Americans or Mexican/Spanish Americans
But my grandpa once took a dump in Belfast, so I’m totes Irish!
Still there were millions of Irish immigrants so it's not exactly unlikely Americans in the northeast have Irish born grandparents. I lived in New York and Massachusetts and it's certainly common. It's very evident in surnames and DNA tests.
Yeah, true. But I’m a white guy in Texas and somehow everyone I know has “Irish” heritage. My family lineage is English, which I believe is more common than people are willing to admit.
Most Americans are a mix of various European ancestors. Most likely almost any white person in Texas, or anywhere in the US, will have some English ancestry, some Irish ancestry, some German ancestry, etc.
Aren’t there more people of German decent?
Reported yes, but there’s a massive undercount of English.
I mean, the problem with identity is that it's vague. Most (white) americans are euromutts. When reporting this should I go with my last name (italian), the majority of my ancestry (palatinate, since germany didn't even exist at the time) or should I go with my english great grandma.
I go with Palpatine, he's pretty bad ass being Sith and all
I imagine most people are like my family, a British/German split but the British side all came in the 1700s so there is no memory of it, while our great great grandparents were German. My mom knew the people who immigrated, so there's more of a connection there (as small as it might be).
Most people in the US of German descent are also of English descent. And Irish descent. And probably another few as well. White people in the US are a mix of everything. But predominantly English, outside of a few specific communities.
There has been a lot of immigration since 1607. I wouldn’t count on English being that high of a percentage of the population.
I know you are probably exaggerating, but there has been a ton of English immigration since the initial founding of Jamestown, especially since there was only like a hundred survivors. I imagine most (non-slave) immigrants from colonial times were from England/Scotland.
It's been estimated to be around 60% of the white European ancestry among Americans. Less than 50% of all Americans though.
genetic tests exist and they don’t forget. a lot of immigration has happened since the founding of the country and other countries already had colonists in NA during expansion
Americans are mixed with a bunch of ethnicities so it’s probably that and other ethnicities too who cares plus English is not usually the most recent ancestry from our ancestry anyways they go by what they know hence the people saying English on the map.
Huh? English people mostly stopped immigrating to the US after the Revolutionary war. US population was about 3 million people. After that it was mostly Germans, Irish, and Italians, along with African slaves and smaller miscellaneous groups
German*
sauce?
There is no sauce. Just more bs for people to eat up. Unless this data pulls the accurate genealogy report of each person , this map cannot tell us what ancestry everyone is.
Interesting map, but English will always be the most underrepresented for a variety of reasons. The immigration wave was the earliest so it's harder to trace and the "old country" customs are most removed. People will often point to the most recent immigration group among their ancestors if they have roots from multiple places. For example, an old coworker of mine in Massachusetts had a very Slavic surname and talked regularly about being of Croatian descent (his grandfather moved here as a child). He took 23andMe and his results were 25% Croatian and 75% British and Irish. This is a VERY common occurrence in America in my experience.
> the "old country" customs are most removed. To be fair, the "old country" British traditions form the basis of dominant American culture. For example, we took our language and legal system from England, That's partially why English is seen as a "boring" ancestry, because English culture is embedded within the foundation of the United States.
This is self reported, not actual. For some reason, people severely under report English ancestry.
I sort of suspected that there is a lot of deutsch in the US but I’m still quite surprised
Why surprised? I've always heard that German heritage was the most common. Everything changes over time though, in the future most Americans will probably be descendants of Latin America.
I gather there are a lot of Germans in Latin America too
You are correct.
Pretty sure Scottish is pretty predominant in KY, TN, & NC as well.
That's the problem with ancestry maps that don't include Scotch-irish. The majority of white settlers immigrating to the southern Piedmont and the Appalachians in the 18th and 19th centuries were Scotch-irish. There's also a very strong correlation between areas that identify as just "American" ancestry and areas that saw the largest proportion of Scotch-irish settlers. It's massively under self-reported. Only 1%-2% of Americans report as Scotch-irish, but estimates place it at 10% of the population being of Scotch-irish ancestry. With them being of Scottish and Northern English ancestry, being born in Ireland they had no significant unique identity at the time and couldn't claim no one country as their ancestoral origin. If anything they were the proto white American before America. An amalgamation of British ancestries and protestant cultures living in colonies (plantations) on land they stole from the native inhabitants (irish) eventually forming their own independent culture. So much of what we know as Appalachian/southern/hillbilly culture, music, and politics come directly from the Scotch-irish. Many of their core values in the 18th century has hardly changed compared to today's. When we label British isles ancestry as either English, Scottish, Irish, or Welsh it excludes the Scotch-irish who don't wholly fit into any of the categories. All of this also applies to northern New England to a lesser but still significant amount.
The Irish here really should be split into Irish (the north east) and Scots-Irish (hillbilly country) because both sources and both successor cultures are *very* opposed to each other.
I hate graphics like this that use colors that are way too similar. China and England wtf
Why do Redditors hate on ancestry so much? Obviously someone is going to more closely identify with Italy if their ancestors came there in the 1900s than some Englishman coming in the 1600s.
It's 90% bullshit shitting on Americans and acting like everyone who talks about their ancestry is from someone who came 200 years ago. My grandmother was actually born in Ireland. I don't ID as Irish because I wasn't close to that branch of the family at all (she converted to Judaism and got cut off) but it's hardly a million years ago -- I'm entitled to citizenship.
Europeans with old world mindsets who can't comprehend that Americans don't shed their identity as soon as they emigrate. Millions of us have parents or grandparents who didn't even speak English and they'll still laugh and call us larpers who are just American.
Because reddit thinks only minorities can be proud of their ancestors
Why not just identify as fucking American though? Baffles me
Why not “African” but “African American”?
Seperating them from African immigrant communities (there are some I believe around Minneapolis, Columbus, and Seattle), I’m guessing
African Americans descended from African Americans?
African American is its own ancestry. Otherwise we would have to specify which African *nations* each African American citizen derived from. Due to history as someone has already stated, it’s impossible, so African American is a “more recent” and valid ancestry. Similar to the Carribbean nations “also recent” *colonization*, it’s difficult to trace back which nation or ancestry group they came from, so they are also considered their own people if that makes sense, instead of Spanish / Portuguese, Indigenous, or the African nation they derived from.
“African” would encompass a lot of countries with different ethnicities, but “African American” is a new ancestry because slavery mixed people together and broke families apart. Basically most black people in the U.S. are unable to know their true main ancestry narrowed down to an actual country of origin.
Africa is an entire continent , that's like uniting all the other groups in european , asian or american categories .
“African American “ is a big category
Great map! As far as African American having a whole “continent” that sounds ignorant. The term can also be reworded as descendants of slaves instead and maybe that’ll help you make sense of it. And if you don’t understand the ancestry of slaves in America I can help. It’s very complex. African Americans can range from 50-100% SSA and still be 100% African American regardless. Use any 18th century white person as an example and you’ll understand why English is “under represented”. Some of you seem to think English and American ancestry should be synonymous. Ancestry deals with culture it’s different than genetics. After multiple wars against the British. The opposing ppl gained nationality and declared themselves American.
First off, I would point out this is really a map of how people most commonly identify their ancestry, as opposed to what their ancestry actually is. Like if you have a German last name, and the person carrying that name came here 200 years ago, you have about 319 other ancestors contributing the same amount of DNA as the guy with the name… so you would be at least 1/320th German. But feel free to put on the lederhosen! Second,I’m curious what percentage of the “Irish” in the South actually descend from Scotch-Irish, and don’t realize that means they’re not actually Irish. Given the migration trends in the South, and how Scotch-Irish often identified just as Irish, I would guess.. almost 100%.
is mexican the same as Spanish on here ?
I don't think so, but where do you think Spanish would outnumber Mexicans?
Northern New Mexico is likely the only spot where that could be the case. Lots of descendants of the early Spanish settlers in the region with little ties to the modern nation of Mexico.
No. Spanish would be from Spain, and the US saw relatively little Spanish immigration, though there are pockets of Basques in Nevada, Idaho, and California. I don't think enough to show up on the map.
thanks
Someone once told me that German was almost the official language of America, idk if that’s true or not but it kinda makes sense according to this map.
In Kansas, German was taught in schools. Then WW2 hit. Stopped immediately.
Dollar comes from german Thaler
It’s an [urban legend](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhlenberg_legend) from the early years of the US and not true. The German language was the second most common language in the US for a decent amount of time and very common on places like the Midwest in the 1800s, but never was an official language.
Where’s Swedish? 🧐
Those French are obsessed with the beach
why is there so many finnish people in michigan?? I’m finnish and live in the us and have never heard of this apparent phenomenon lmao
Copper mining in the 1800s
they immigrated for mining jobs (my ancestors are primarily finish and they all lived in the UP for generations)
Copper mining and forestry. Plus the environment is fairly similar. Saunas are very common up there, some people still speak Finnish there, etc. pretty cool place from what my friends who lived there told me.
has anyone seen a source quoted for this?
Makes you really wonder, how history would have played out, if the us would have made german its national language instead of english
OMG, filipinos are invading alaska!
I shouldve clarified that Chinese is only one county, and its in the San Francisco area
Amazing how African American people descended from African Americans.
USA is german?
Largely incorrect. It's the most commonly *answered* ancestry, but English will be far and away the most common ancestry in the United States due to the settlers who first landed there, and then the frequent emigration in the decades and centuries after. People just don't self-identify as English because they either don't realise due to it being so long ago, or have more recent ancestry from elsewhere (in a different part of the family to their English line), even if English makes up the largest part of their ancestry. For all intents and purposes, American = English in the US census. Eventually the number of people who self-identify as having English ancestry will dwindle to only a handful of millions, maybe even less, and that'll mostly be made up of more recent English immigrants.
This is partially true. I've done loads of research into older American families, including my own. Most white Americans throughout the US have at least one Anglo-American ancestor, unless they live in an area that's historically been an ethnic enclave. However, these Anglo-Americans are not entirely of English descent. They are just the English-speaking, generally Protestant, descendants of British colonial settlers. Many of these settlers were not ethnically English, but the vast majority were. The general mix, from what I've observed, is English, German, Welsh, Irish Protestant, Scottish, French Huguenot, and Dutch, with some families perhaps having some Swedish/Finnish, African, and distant Native ancestry. You can consider Anglo-Americans to be akin to Afrikaners in their ancestry, just replace English with Dutch.
A lot of people don’t seem to get this. “Paul Revere” might sound like an Englishman but his father was a guy named “Apollo Rivoire” who came to Boston from France. They were French Huguenots. In my family tree, there are people with the last name “Clawson.” Could pass as English, but they were actually Dutch that anglicized their name from “Klaassen” to “Clawson.” The most egregious example in my tree was some people with the last name “McEntarfer.” That sounds Scottish. But when they stepped off the boat in the mid-1700’s their name was “Merckendoerfer.” Palatinate Germans. There’s several other examples in my tree alone. Anglicizing last names was pretty commonplace in colonial America. Assuming that a group of ancestors were English just because they have an English-sounding name is not a safe assumption in many cases.
I think you are underestimating how much immigration from other countries happened, especially since 1783.
I'm not underestimating it, but you may be *over*estimating it. Of the roughly 3.92m citizens in 1790, an estimated 2.1m of them were of English origin. Up to 1830, almost 99% of the population increase had been natural (internal), with very, very little immigration (10s of thousands per decade, at most 150k during the 20s). After that, there was an immigration boom, but that still only took the natural population increase down to 90% by 1850, when the US had a total population of around 23m. With that in mind, the vast majority of the population increase for the next century or so would've still been natural, and whilst many of those natural increases would come to include previous immigrant populations of Irish, Germans, Scots etc., they still wouldn't outweigh the original English population continuing to grow alongside them.
You’re completely glossing over the mass immigration during the gold rush. Europeans flooded in from multiple countries, especially Germany.
~30 million immigrants came to the US between 1880 and 1930. The majority of them from eastern and southern Europe The US population was 123 million in 1930.
And the majority of the rest of that ~90 million would've been of English origin due to the much lower levels of immigration previously lol that really doesn't change my point whatsoever.
Well, you say 2.1 of 3.92 m were of English descent in 1790, or 53%. If that percentage stayed the same (which it didn’t) until 1930 then 53% of those 90 m in 1930, or 48 million of the 123 million population was of English descent. That’s not a majority, and we’ve only had more immigration since then
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No Scottish?!
Orlando municipio #79
A lot of the Mexican, Central American, & some of the South American population is of Native American ancestry, many are of Spanish, Portugese, or Italian ancestry, & some are of African ancestries.
As a puerto rican i can comfirm Osceola County has to many of us
Do someone know anything about assyrian comunnities in the us and where are there spots
Where Spanish?
In the coming decades, the top three largest European ancestries in the US will be English, German, and Spanish (mostly via Mexico, Puerto Rico, and Cuba) ancestries.
United States of Germany
So thats why north and south appalachia are so different!! I knew that the north was mostly german, swiss, and dutch but i didnt know that the south was irish and english!
A lot of the yellow should be Mestizo or a mix of Indigenous Mexican, Native American, and other (usually Spanish-European)
There must surely be a sizeable Scottish ancestry group, yet no mention of them there.
So America is bound for Germany vs Mexico vs Cuba
Where's Scotch-irish? You can't have an American ancestry map without the Scotch-irish. There are more Americans of Scotch-irish descent than there are of Italian. Only problem is people today don't self-report as Scotch-irish, since they either choose "American" ancestry or Scotch-irish often isn't even an option.
english and portuguese are the same color or extremely similar, can't tell the difference. this map is giving me the wrong idea.
Me with my colour vision deficiency cannot believe how many Texan’s ancestry is Norwegian.
There are not as many Indian ancestry in the US?
Presuming you're talking about Asian Indians, most Indian migration is very recent and often t counties which are already very large and diverse (the Bay Area, NYC metro, Houston, etc.)
Considering the amount of -ski’s in the Midwest it’s surprising there isn’t more Polish there
I was about to say, “Wow there are a lot of Puerto Ricans in Northern Maine.” I need glasses.
What’s the gray?
How is there no Italian anywhere in eastern Ohio or western pa
The Irish band looks like a buffer in my politically incorrect mind
I’m from Middlesex County, I can’t tell if that is Filipino or Italian. I can confirm but I did think Indian would be on there. Regardless this is very interesting.
can someone guide me to the polish pockets? i don’t seem to be able to find them
ELI5 - why does the South vote red when GOP is racist and support white supremacy?
This is just the largest group in each county, not the majority. So if a county is 25% black and 75% white, but that white ancestry is divided among several different subgroups that are all smaller than 25%, the county would be colored as "black" here. That, plus white Southerners being more strongly Republican than white people elsewhere, keeps the South red. One of the reasons Biden won Georgia in 2020 is he managed to get a whopping 1/3 of the white vote in the state, which combined with the large black population was enough to allow him to win. In places like Mississippi and Louisiana it's exceedingly rare for Democrats to get more than 20% of the white vote.
Did not realize the extent of German heritage. (Ironically I'm 50% German with a German last name) Considering the whole initial English colonization this is surprising to me.
This is because German-speaking Europeans were by far the largest immigrant group to the USA for a long time.
Yeah, I call complete and utter bollocks on this one
Is this self-reported? I think it would be difficult to get accurate numbers.
Whats up with the germans?
Over 7 million Germans moved to the US over the years and they also had a number of descendants, which all together makes up around 42-45 million people or so.