Well it is definitely not Italian based on colour, and under Italian rule it was also divided into 2 separate entities of Tripolitania and Cyrenaica, which is not shown on map
Going by the listing for one on ebay there should be a page with a list of the years the maps are from included in the index. See the last picture here showing that the maps are from 1911-13 for the one up for sale: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155000180729
It's not the one linked however as there's differences in North Africa.
It could be marked with copyright from 1910 in 1911 or even 1912 :)
The situation around Morocco shows that atlas was published accurately during 2nd Moroccan Crisis (like Morocco is in the color of the Spanish Rio de Oro but it has never been Spanish before 1912 and there is no French color in Morocco). Kinda it's the speculation that entire Morocco will belong to Spain.
It also says “copyright 1905” on thr world map so no that doesn’t actually narrow it down. Just because something is copyrighted in a year doesn’t mean the atlas was published then.
I get the feeling we need a new sub for r/MapDating
I mean, there are plenty Dating websites already but DATING AND PORN IS NOT THE SAME THING GUYS!
Thanks for your attention. I see myself out.
EDIT: oops, it even exists already. Didn’t know that :D
Looking at Africa and knowing the dates of establishing borders between the French Morocco and the French Algeria which was in 1912 I'll say it's def before that!
On the map Bulgaria is still split up into the Bulgarian principality and Easter Rumelia, they were created after the Berlin conference of 1878 and reunified September 1885, so the map is from around then
No, other details (and the copyright date) place the atlas at 1910. Eastern Rumelia still existed on paper until 1908, so it's only a slight oversight on their part.
Bulgaria declared independence from the Ottoman Empire on Oct 5, 1908.
Finland declared independence from the Russian Empire on Dec 6, 1917.
It looks like the copyright date at the bottom of the full world map says 190_
My guess is that it's from 1909.
I think somewhere between 1910 and 1911-
Tripolitania was not yet Italian, and German Kamerun doesn't have the land it gained as concessions for the Moroccan Crisis
Imperial Russia was (with a few small exceptions) a unitary state. The Soviet republics were created with new ethnic borders between roughly 1918 and 1940, and they were what became independent when the Union fell apart.
>Were all the later Soviet states already part of Russia pre-UdSSR?
Yes, plus also Poland and Finland.
>How come their borders look completely different than post-Cold War?
The Russian Civil war (and/or the WW1 changed most), the WW2 changed the rest.
For one printed stateside yes. It's not very useful in books this way though. This art might have been intended as a wall map originally with a full plate for printing, vs one spaced with margins for binding. Plates were a more expensive and valued thing than modern versions, so there may have only been one made. I hated splitting images like that, lol.
The bottom of the maps say 'Copyright 1910' - I'd say that's a clue for at least when the maps themselves were drafted/printed.
But why male models?
Gas fight
Check out the big brain on u/the_bulgefuler
What can I say, literacy's one hell of a drug.
It is from 1910 according to the copyright.
Russian Empire made me think early 1900s. As another Redditor pointed out the Copyright year was 1910.
Judging from the details of East Asia, the time period presented in this atlas should be between 1905 and 1910.
Does it not have a publisher’s date?
No, a bunch of the pages are missing/damaged
You can look any book up in worldcat.org to see the full metadata/publishing info.
It’s pre 1912 since Libya is still an Ottoman territory.
How did you get it? I don't see any evidence that it's definitely Ottoman
Well it is definitely not Italian based on colour, and under Italian rule it was also divided into 2 separate entities of Tripolitania and Cyrenaica, which is not shown on map
But the Dodacanese Islands are not Ottoman
Going by the listing for one on ebay there should be a page with a list of the years the maps are from included in the index. See the last picture here showing that the maps are from 1911-13 for the one up for sale: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155000180729 It's not the one linked however as there's differences in North Africa.
Pre WW1 as German colonies in Africa are still showing
pre WW1 is the most obvious thing in the world when you see Austria-Hungary being a thing...
United South Africa (or Union of South Africa) exists, so it’s after 31 May 1910. Morocco is independent, so it’s before 30 March 1912.
Copyright is for 1910 so it between 31 may 1910 and December 31st 1910
It could be marked with copyright from 1910 in 1911 or even 1912 :) The situation around Morocco shows that atlas was published accurately during 2nd Moroccan Crisis (like Morocco is in the color of the Spanish Rio de Oro but it has never been Spanish before 1912 and there is no French color in Morocco). Kinda it's the speculation that entire Morocco will belong to Spain.
def pre WW1
Or during
The balkan borders are from before the first balkan war, so It's before 1912
Judging from Europe, I'd say somewhere between 1897-1911.
You can narrow it down to 1905-1911 since Norway is independent.
You can narrow it down specifically to 1910 because it says "copyright 1910~~2010~~" in the bottom left.
I think you mean "copyright 1910".
It also says “copyright 1905” on thr world map so no that doesn’t actually narrow it down. Just because something is copyrighted in a year doesn’t mean the atlas was published then.
I get the feeling we need a new sub for r/MapDating I mean, there are plenty Dating websites already but DATING AND PORN IS NOT THE SAME THING GUYS! Thanks for your attention. I see myself out. EDIT: oops, it even exists already. Didn’t know that :D
r/datemymap
Bosnia is already annekted by the Austria-Hungary Monarch. The annektion was in 1908. So this Atlas printed after 1908 and the end of WW1
What the frak is an annektion. Did a snek take your xes
Looking at Africa and knowing the dates of establishing borders between the French Morocco and the French Algeria which was in 1912 I'll say it's def before that!
1905-1912, post Russo-Japanese war and pre First Balkans war.
To narrow it down more it's probably 1905-1910 since Korea was fully annexed by Japan in 1910.
1910 or 1911.
1905-1914
Usually the date of its publication is written somewhere on the first page (often et the end of the first page)
There's a usefull XKCD chart: https://xkcd.com/1688/
I got 1910-12 using that which if the copyright is to be trusted is correct
Why don’t you just check the imprint on 2nd or 3rd page? It’s written there
No, but I’d like to date it if you don’t mind 😏
I’d love to own something like this
On the map Bulgaria is still split up into the Bulgarian principality and Easter Rumelia, they were created after the Berlin conference of 1878 and reunified September 1885, so the map is from around then
No, other details (and the copyright date) place the atlas at 1910. Eastern Rumelia still existed on paper until 1908, so it's only a slight oversight on their part.
The African map is the same as the 1910 Africa map I have, so it is definitely early 1900's
1910! I wish I had it
Between 1909-1912, because Bosnia is already annexed by AH and its before Balkan Wars..
Around 1910 but before 1913
Bulgaria declared independence from the Ottoman Empire on Oct 5, 1908. Finland declared independence from the Russian Empire on Dec 6, 1917. It looks like the copyright date at the bottom of the full world map says 190_ My guess is that it's from 1909.
I think somewhere between 1910 and 1911- Tripolitania was not yet Italian, and German Kamerun doesn't have the land it gained as concessions for the Moroccan Crisis
You are blocking all the natural light when taking the photo making it very hard to read
probably, between 1492 - 1989
Were all the later Soviet states already part of Russia pre-USSR? How come their borders look completely different than post-Cold War?
Imperial Russia was (with a few small exceptions) a unitary state. The Soviet republics were created with new ethnic borders between roughly 1918 and 1940, and they were what became independent when the Union fell apart.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_Empire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire)
>Were all the later Soviet states already part of Russia pre-UdSSR? Yes, plus also Poland and Finland. >How come their borders look completely different than post-Cold War? The Russian Civil war (and/or the WW1 changed most), the WW2 changed the rest.
This is pre 1947. Pre subcontinent partition.
Greece is still shown under ottoman ruling, so definitely before 1821. It is weird that the publication indicates 1910 though.
Northern greece and Albania were still under Ottoman rule until 1912
You are right. North Greece + Albania took another 100 years give or take.
I could narrow it down from 1902 when Transvaal and Orange Free State were annexed and when Korea was annexed in 1910
Korea is still not shown as a part of Japan so details are pre 1909. Could have been published around 1910 as many have pointed out
Jesus, some people just do not use their brain 😂
What I know for sure is that it was issued no later than in 1915 (cause German SW Africa).
I like how you made sure to cast the largest, darkest shadow you could on each photo.
Before 1917 because finland is part of russia
Definitely from 1821-1918/19 I’m from Greece and we liberated ourselves into the borders shown in that map. We got most our land back after WW1 ended
Before 1913
Are you willing to sell?
Naw it's one of the only thing I got from him, sorry
No worries! Super dope!
I think 1911 or early 1912 is the date when it was published.
definitely between 1900 - 1910
Was it common before to have a map centred on America? It looks like such a strange way to display the world.
For one printed stateside yes. It's not very useful in books this way though. This art might have been intended as a wall map originally with a full plate for printing, vs one spaced with margins for binding. Plates were a more expensive and valued thing than modern versions, so there may have only been one made. I hated splitting images like that, lol.
Lol. Worst pictures ever
1910, cool maps though