Interestingly, a long time cohort study over 20 years or so in Denmark came to the conclusion that the difference for HIV is statistically insignificant, and for other STDs the outcome was significantly worse for circumcised men, especially for Syphilis, iirc.
Yeah, or instead of risking it all on a coinflip just wear a condom, which aside from much much better protection from STD's also significantly reduce the risk of unwanted child support.
Amazing isn’t it that even with the wonders of sexual health education there are people out there who’d rather advocate mutilating a baby’s dick and cherry pick some stats to support it - which presumably they have to go past all the valuable research and advice to find.
If you really want to dig further the way the study is conducted is subject to many controversy. Individual that have been circumcized have been sensibilized about risky behavior inherently more than individual that havnt when the studies have been conducted.
So there will be always a biased that will confirm the result. Every campaign in africa have been finance by US firm and CDC and they knew damn well that it will be a never ending business in US as well.
Maybe circumcision might help very slighty to reduce some risk there and there, but the correct studies havnt been provided. And for the old one many people disagree
CDC bases their claims on faulty studies done in Africa. IRC men who got circumcised had to spend a good month waiting for their dick to heal before they could have sex, and they also got actual sex education. While men who weren't circumcised could freely have as much sex as they wanted since their penis wasn't mutilated beyond recognition and didn't get sex education during the study period.
The source is listed on the image, if you just look that up and look at the methodology you will find: "Where no data were available, the population proportion whose religious faith or culture requires MC was used."
The number is so low because only The Great Leader is allowed to be circumcised. Due to his genetic perfection, his body regenerates his foreskin at a rate of 2 foreskins per month, meaning he must be circumcised roughly every 2 weeks.
As a Sudanese this genuinely confuses me because I can't think of any significant cultural or regional reason for why it's so low, especially considering how religious the place is. Perhaps it may have to do with difficulties in collecting accurate data in the region, but it doesn't explain other surrounding countries which are quite similar in development and access but have high reported circumcision rates. On the contrary, FGMs are quite common in the country to this day sadly even with laws by the new government banning their practice.
I'm Tunisian and what my grandparents told me was that during the times of the country being a French colony, most hospitals were only for French people, not locals, so most people who would get a circumcision got it from a barber, the next most a led person with a blade that people could access. That's how my great-grandmother's firstborn child died. The barber messed up and the baby bled out... Such were the wonders of being a colony...
Last I read their female circumcision stats were uncomfortably high though...
(disclaimer: I haven't looked this up in the last couple of years. Mostly because depressing af)
One of the worst crimes in my lifetime was mom and dad allowing the doctor to cut my dick when I was fresh out the womb. Now I have a circumcised all-American BBC.
I wouldn't say that's the biggest reason. Though it has been promoted as a prevention against HIV in South Africa. I would mainly say it's because circumcision is pretty common within some tribes as a coming of age ceremony.
circumcision is a rite of passage in many african communities. Seen as transitioning into manhood. Also part of traditional religious beliefs. Before even white people and aids were a thing. Your point is an assumption and blatant lie.
Filipino here. Historical records state that circumcision existed way before the arrival of the Spaniards. It is noteworthy that the tradition could be traced to the Islamic community in certain parts of the country in pre-colonial times.
It has been more of a tradition since then I think, as the Catholic Church does not mandate circumcision. In fact, nowadays, boys around 12 years old would be ridiculed if they haven't been circumcised yet.
For the Philippines (I am a Filipino), it is cultural. I think it dates back even to precolonial times. You can’t say religion because most of us are Catholics (save for some Muslim in Mindanao).
We are circumcised right around our puberty. It is rite of passage. And there is thrash talk for uncircumcised guys. SUPOT. It is really one of those big insult to throw to someone.
Yes. It is usually done during the dry season aka summer/vacation. They put anasthesia so you don’t feel the pain. The hard part is when you letting it heal though. We wash it with guava leaves.
[Circumcision in the PH](https://youtu.be/iCzBF6Y6tEg?si=0Es3SW4qmXqhl4o6)
I had mine done by my Urologist uncle in the Minor OR. Only felt the initial injection of lidocaine and then it was an hour or something of me staring at an OR ceiling
Idk if this is still practiced, but traditional way is with a really sharp unsterile knife and a hammer iirc
Korean here, South Korea is mostly American influence. There’s a generation in between my grandparents and anyone a bit younger than me (lets just say the turn of the century for ease) that has a really high rate of circumcision, and everyone outside of it doesn’t.
It was more akin to a rite of passage than anything really. We were also told that we would be bullied in the army for having non-circumcised dicks lol.
Now there’s no sanitation issues and the culture has shifted a bit so kids don’t get circumcised too much.
Honestly it’s possible that it’s American influenced on the Philippians (they have a lot of medical exchange) and South Korea has a lot of cultural exchange with the US specifically religiously.
As for the US it’s a religious campaign that got adopted into the overarching cultural norm. I know a lot of people who got circumcised cus dad wanted them to “look like mine” or they thought it would be more appealing to future partners.
Yes it is. Both of those countries have a really heavy American influence. The Philippines was even a US territory for a few decades after the Spanish-American war the same way that Puerto Rico and Guam still are.
Ah no no
We already have this way way before the western world discovered us
We do this as a right of passage. And yes, we do this on pre teen bois and up and with full consent of them if they want
But ofc, majority will do this cause of peer pressure
I believe the comment is saying that South Korea has a high circumcision rate because of influence from the US and that the US has also influenced the popularity of Christianity in South Korea. Not necessarily that the circumcision rate and Christianity is related.
Look up the inventor of Kellogs…
He was part of a large religious anti-masturbation movement in the 19th century… they made it so popular.
And I wish I was making that up
I’ve also spoken to a few mothers that said “everyone else was doing it, so we did it too.” They didn’t give a second thought to disfiguring their child’s penis, it was just a fashionable thing to do. I’m grateful my mom was a bit more cognizant of my bodily autonomy
I have 2 boys. 1 circumcised, 1 not. When we did the first, our son came back crying so hard, he had no voice left. It became raspy for days, and he also cried for days on end. It was so traumatic that we decided against, for the second.
Truly, we did the circumcision on our 1st because it’s what everyone does, and it’s what everyone recommends. Maybe we wanted him to be “normal”.
However, fuck that! People need to hear more of these stories & realize how FUCKED UP it really is to cut up your child’s penis.
I have not a single friend who is circumcized, here in Central Europe it's absolutely unusual. I guess there are some people who would do it too if it was fashion, but luckily it is connected to extreme religion or disease, so people don't want to be connected to it.
Kellogg was a 7th day Adventist. Yeah they believe in the whole 'no masterbation' thing, but they were much bigger on cleanliness. They adhere to old testament practises on the matter, which include eating kosher meats (if you eat meat at all, as they encourage vegetarianism) and washing behaviours. this includes circumcisions. Additionally, they discourage smoking, drinking, and eating processed foods.
Kellogg, being a very rich man, established hospitals throughout the midwest that based themselves in 7th Day Adventist teachings. As a result, circumcision became a common practice in the region and eventually spread throughout the US.
So while Kellogg would probably say circumcision reduces masturbation, that would be a secondary effect of his much bigger goals: advocating his faith and increasing public health.
Basically there were some influential doctors in the US and UK who began to advocate circumcision as a means of preventing disease and promoting hygiene. They thought it would cure or stop the spread of certain diseases and was more hygienic. Other doctors and baby books from the era would often recommend circumcision to new parents. Parents (mostly upper-class) began to circumcise their babies as a preventative measure in the late 1800's. By the early 1900's it became more widespread among all social classes, especially after WWI when the government promoted circumcision to prevent diseases and STIs among soldiers. After that it just became cultural inertia.
Reddit isn’t ready to hear this, but it’s not Kellogg and it’s not the religious nutjobs. It was a project of turn-of-the-century progressivism:
Before you tune me out, I’m not saying modern progressives still believe this. I’m talking about the same kind of utopian progressivism that simultaneously popularized the eugenics movement in this country.
Circumcision *was* believed to reduce the male masturbatory habit but not on religious grounds. It was believed to reduce a sort of “male hysteria.” The male sex drive had a severely deleterious impact on human society, or so it was said, and if it could be brought to heel, we’d be that much closer to progressive utopia. You ever wonder why we call a stupid or obnoxious person a “jerk”? Yeah. I wish I was kidding.
In any case, circumcision was lauded for its benefits to health and personal hygiene and the same kind of rhetoric persists today. But now that people realize that circumcision didn’t — and won’t — save the world, it’s becoming unpopular again. I’m certain the number in the US has already declined and will continue to do so as younger circumcised males choose not to circumcise their sons, and older circumcised males die.
I had a long and very interesting conversation about this with a friend who is a professor of the history and philosophy of science, with a keen interest in historical gender studies as well. I know that sounds a lot like “trust me bro”, but I’m happy to go back to him for sources.
A 2003 survey reported a figure closer to 16%, of which almost 4% are for medical reasons (though often because of misdiagnosis). (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1744763/pdf/v079p00499.pdf)
A lot of those surveyed who were circumcised were more likely to be born outside the UK or from any ethnic minority except Black Caribbean.
On an odd side note, circumcised men were more likely to report having had homosexual partners and partners from abroad.
They found no difference in prevalence of STIs between the two groups, suggesting that there are zero health benefits to the process.
Yep. That 21% UK figure is presumably very old because there's no recent data. A survey in the year 2000 found 15.8% of UK men in the age range 16-44 were circumcised, and at that time, 3.8% of male children were being circumcised before the age of 15 which the survey's authors said was too high and called for it to be reduced to 2%. There does not seem to be any recent surveys that I can find.
Boomers are not getting circumcised. There's almost no adult circumcision in the UK. And in an event they wouldn't show up here, I recognize these numbers, they're not circumcisions rates, they're neo-nate circumcision rates.
I had a late circumsicion due to phimosis. I was 21 and it was 100% the correct decision. But that is a medical reason, I am against infant circumcision. AMA in case anyone's interested in the procedure.
>phimosis
Same age as you and I also suffer from it. Thankfully it isn't a severe form. My doctor told me to stretch it every day and it has gotten better. But he also told me he would have recommended me circumcision had I arrived 2 years later.
This made me realize how important it is to talk to a doctor about your problems, even if you are embarrassed.
I tried avoiding the operation as well, but sadly the stretching didn't really work for me. Went to another doctor and they immediately recommended the circumsision after I told her the stretching didn't work. Glad it worked for you, though, would have definitely kept it if it had been an option.
But yeah, it's definitely one of those cases where it's best to be open and early. The earlier you talk about this kind of stuff the better your chances are. Not even just medically, I missed out on years of sex because of it. That alone is worth it. Don't be afraid guys!
The funny thing is that the World Health organization has declared that female circumcision is considered a "genital mutilation" therefore it is a criminal act. While male circumcision is still considered as a new look hair cut.
> While male circumcision is still considered as a new look hair cut.
In Denmark close to 90% wants to ban male genital mutilation. Which is basically just following common sense and the advice of all medicical professional organisations. However the government will not enable such a ban due to our relationship with Israel.
It started as a mix of puritanical belief that circumcising a boy will cause them to associate their penis with pain and thus make them less likely to masturbate and the idea that it’s healthier (maybe at the time Americans hadn’t unlocked the wash dick skill?). To this day, the American paediatrics association still recommends it, in a controversial move (they have some very ideological ideas that are not science supported, while there’s some evidence for reduced HIV spread that’s like trying to use a napkin as an umbrella).
To tell the truth, it just became tradition over there. Some cultures have tattoos, scarification, etc, and Americans have genital body modification for their boys.
WRONG. The American Association of Pediatrics does not recommend it. It only states that there seem to be enough benefits to not restrict it.
“Evaluation of current evidence indicates that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks and that the procedure’s benefits justify access to this procedure for families who choose it.”
The American College of Pediatrics does. But it is also a nutcase organization that recommends beating kids.
Last time a similar map was posted someone mentioned there was a big campaign for circumcision during ww1. They didn’t want spider getting infections in wet unsanitary trench conditions.
As fucking insane as it sounds, there's literally a facial cream made from baby foreskins.
I wish I was kidding. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/health/2015/04/14/baby-foreskin-facial-boston-hydrafacial/
As far as countries without significant share of population being Muslim or Jewish go the circumcision rate of America is very high. The only such other countries that go beyond America is the Philippines and Congo, Kenya and Madagascar in Africa.
It was an imported practice from American troops during the Korean War. It was presented as an advanced medical practice. I’m not sure why it didn’t spread in America’s time in Japan, possibly the different relationship of an occupying force vs an ally force.
Jesus (fucking) Christ was circumcised! His holy and miraculous foreskin [has been claimed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce) to be in various European churches, but the *smart* money is on it having ascended into the heavens and become [the rings of Saturn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce#Modern_literary_allusions).
I had it done last year at 35 due to a medical condition. I now have way less sensation in the tip. There are just no advantages to it at all. Sex is still good, but not as good. Most men in the US had it done at birth so they have nothing to compare it to.
Thank you, I've literally talked to someone who has a completed nursing degree but is from Tunisia (so cultural and religious reasons for circumcision) and she was telling me shit like "there is no loss of sensation, it feels even better after for the men" and I was just "HUH?"
As an European, I'm concerned about North America (especially USA). They ban stuff for transgender people, but cut the skin of a boy's dick, and say "we protect children" lmao
Whether they realize it or not, cut men are missing the pleasurable nerve endings that are in a foreskin. They are missing the gliding motion over the head during sex. They are missing the mucosa that keeps the head moist, soft, and super sensitive.
Saying "a cut guy can still feel pleasure" is like saying "a one-eyed man can still see."
How do we have 11% in Germany? Last time i checked i think we had like 5% muslim population and jews nowhere make up 6%.
Source: https://www.worlddata.info/country-comparison.php?country1=DEU&country2=FRA#religion
I can’t fathom not having a foreskin. As a little experiment, I retracted it and left it for a few hours and it was just uncomfortable. Plus, how do you have a wank? I just start and go to town. I’d imagine you’d need all sorts of lubrication without a turtle neck.
I HATE the argument about it being cleaner. I clean my penis every day, especially under the foreskin. I never get smegma. If someone does, it’s because they’re a dirty bastard.
I remember someone mentioning how prevalent lubricant was in American movies that dealt with the topic of male masturbation vs how for an uncut male lubricant is not really necessary. This was interesting to realize: in a society that is all about money, you commodify even wanks.
And btw, the numbers in Spain (7%) have to be related to immigration or needed medical procedures because as far as I know no Spanish person that is not of immigration origins is circumcised🤔
Huh never realised it's that low in Europe. I got circumcised due to medical reasons (don't fully recall it as I was like 4 or 5) but I thought the percentage would be closer to the thirties in west Europe
I'm a man who has lived in New Zealand for my entire life, and not that I go out of my way to look or anything, but in my years of using urinals and changing rooms, I've never seen a circumcised dong in real life.
I won't go as far as to say it's outright bullshit, but that 33% figure doesn't ring true to me at all.
Weird how the most religious places, who are also against "child mutilation" in the form of gender surgery have the most circumcision, something typical performed RIGHT AFTER BIRTH... so much for consent
This entire thread is just americans coping over male genital mutilation still being such a common practice. In Denmark every single health professional organisation is against it for several reasons. Obviously because it has no health benefits, but also because the procedure is a completely unnessary risk for infants. Besides that there is also the bodily autonomy argument. Nobody has the right the mutilate a childs body and the procedure should only be done in case of medical emergencies.
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My mom says that if you get rid of the foreskin. You have a less chance of getting aids. Her words not mine lol
It's time to sit down with your mother and have a talk about condoms.
I use that also lol
Only if you don't use a condom and compare only to uncut men who aren't using a condom, IIRC.
Also if you take it up the ass (which has the highest risk of HIV transmission) then it doesn't matter if you have foreskin or not
To clarify, from a guy. This doesn't apply to pegging.
No shit
Typically there may be a little shit involved during anal sexual activity, actually.
Even then, just like, don't. Get tested before having sex. It's not hard.
Interestingly, a long time cohort study over 20 years or so in Denmark came to the conclusion that the difference for HIV is statistically insignificant, and for other STDs the outcome was significantly worse for circumcised men, especially for Syphilis, iirc.
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Yeah, or instead of risking it all on a coinflip just wear a condom, which aside from much much better protection from STD's also significantly reduce the risk of unwanted child support.
Amazing isn’t it that even with the wonders of sexual health education there are people out there who’d rather advocate mutilating a baby’s dick and cherry pick some stats to support it - which presumably they have to go past all the valuable research and advice to find.
Wow. Thanks mom
If you really want to dig further the way the study is conducted is subject to many controversy. Individual that have been circumcized have been sensibilized about risky behavior inherently more than individual that havnt when the studies have been conducted. So there will be always a biased that will confirm the result. Every campaign in africa have been finance by US firm and CDC and they knew damn well that it will be a never ending business in US as well. Maybe circumcision might help very slighty to reduce some risk there and there, but the correct studies havnt been provided. And for the old one many people disagree
You won't get a headache if you have no head
Sure, but you know what’s a great option to cutting the tip of your dick off? Condoms….
CDC bases their claims on faulty studies done in Africa. IRC men who got circumcised had to spend a good month waiting for their dick to heal before they could have sex, and they also got actual sex education. While men who weren't circumcised could freely have as much sex as they wanted since their penis wasn't mutilated beyond recognition and didn't get sex education during the study period.
Those studies are highly problematic
This map clearly shows STDs are the most rampant in circ mutilation countries. The CDC is the opposite of reality.
If that is true, why is it that STDs are more prevalent in the USA than in western Europe, where 80-90% of men are intact?
Because the world has more than 1 variable in it
Just look at their username, they have an agenda to push here
Look at just how many people seem to believe that in the rest of the developed countries.
According to a recent study, if you cut your dick off completely, you drastically reduce chances of getting aids or any other sti
How did they get circumcision data on North Korea?
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Kim Jong-Oof
Kim Jong Lul
Someone offed them tips
The source is listed on the image, if you just look that up and look at the methodology you will find: "Where no data were available, the population proportion whose religious faith or culture requires MC was used."
So it's made up
The number is so low because only The Great Leader is allowed to be circumcised. Due to his genetic perfection, his body regenerates his foreskin at a rate of 2 foreskins per month, meaning he must be circumcised roughly every 2 weeks.
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Treat it like pokemon and catch em all (Original comment was something like there are 28 circumsized dicks in Greenland)
Idk why but this took me out
Sudan is the only Muslim majority country where most men aren't circumcised
As a Sudanese this genuinely confuses me because I can't think of any significant cultural or regional reason for why it's so low, especially considering how religious the place is. Perhaps it may have to do with difficulties in collecting accurate data in the region, but it doesn't explain other surrounding countries which are quite similar in development and access but have high reported circumcision rates. On the contrary, FGMs are quite common in the country to this day sadly even with laws by the new government banning their practice.
Maybe it's lack of access/trust in medical care?
If Tim Tebow can do it, then it shouldn't take that much.
I'm Tunisian and what my grandparents told me was that during the times of the country being a French colony, most hospitals were only for French people, not locals, so most people who would get a circumcision got it from a barber, the next most a led person with a blade that people could access. That's how my great-grandmother's firstborn child died. The barber messed up and the baby bled out... Such were the wonders of being a colony...
I guess somebody figured out the Perfidious Egyptians do it, so a good patriot of Sudan should leave the… uh… keep the Thawb on.
Last I read their female circumcision stats were uncomfortably high though... (disclaimer: I haven't looked this up in the last couple of years. Mostly because depressing af)
Even Albania
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Just the tip
One of the worst crimes in my lifetime was mom and dad allowing the doctor to cut my dick when I was fresh out the womb. Now I have a circumcised all-American BBC.
Alaska too.
So, the Islamic world outside of Europe, plus Israel, the USA, Philippines and South Korea.
And the DRC for some inexplicable reason.
They have spare inches to discard.
And sub Sahara Africa Is mostly chirstian but circumcised
AIDS The international community spends alot of money to promote circumcision there in the hope of reducing AIDS transmissions.
Well it's mostly the CDC, HAS in France doesn't have the same doctrine.
I wouldn't say that's the biggest reason. Though it has been promoted as a prevention against HIV in South Africa. I would mainly say it's because circumcision is pretty common within some tribes as a coming of age ceremony.
Yeah circumcision doesn't reduce the chances of AIDS, it's such a blatantly stupid myth that it's actually kind of scary at this point.
circumcision is a rite of passage in many african communities. Seen as transitioning into manhood. Also part of traditional religious beliefs. Before even white people and aids were a thing. Your point is an assumption and blatant lie.
A lot of traditional beliefs and coming of age ceremonies encourage circumcision
why does South Korea, America, and the Philippines have a high rate?
Filipino here. Historical records state that circumcision existed way before the arrival of the Spaniards. It is noteworthy that the tradition could be traced to the Islamic community in certain parts of the country in pre-colonial times. It has been more of a tradition since then I think, as the Catholic Church does not mandate circumcision. In fact, nowadays, boys around 12 years old would be ridiculed if they haven't been circumcised yet.
I believe PH should be 100%. Its a stigma if youre uncircumcised here
"Hahahah look at Jacob, his parents didn't force him to undergo genital mutilation without, such an oddball!"
"haha supot"
For the Philippines (I am a Filipino), it is cultural. I think it dates back even to precolonial times. You can’t say religion because most of us are Catholics (save for some Muslim in Mindanao). We are circumcised right around our puberty. It is rite of passage. And there is thrash talk for uncircumcised guys. SUPOT. It is really one of those big insult to throw to someone.
That’s very weird… but ok. And around puberty? Jesus Christ… so you remember getting it it off?
Yes. It is usually done during the dry season aka summer/vacation. They put anasthesia so you don’t feel the pain. The hard part is when you letting it heal though. We wash it with guava leaves. [Circumcision in the PH](https://youtu.be/iCzBF6Y6tEg?si=0Es3SW4qmXqhl4o6)
I had mine done by my Urologist uncle in the Minor OR. Only felt the initial injection of lidocaine and then it was an hour or something of me staring at an OR ceiling Idk if this is still practiced, but traditional way is with a really sharp unsterile knife and a hammer iirc
I got mine when I was 11. I didn't feel anything during the operation, but the next day, it was horrible.
*Nanliligaw ka na, di ka pa tuli* *Magpatuli ka na, para tigas TT* LOL
Korean here, South Korea is mostly American influence. There’s a generation in between my grandparents and anyone a bit younger than me (lets just say the turn of the century for ease) that has a really high rate of circumcision, and everyone outside of it doesn’t. It was more akin to a rite of passage than anything really. We were also told that we would be bullied in the army for having non-circumcised dicks lol. Now there’s no sanitation issues and the culture has shifted a bit so kids don’t get circumcised too much.
Honestly it’s possible that it’s American influenced on the Philippians (they have a lot of medical exchange) and South Korea has a lot of cultural exchange with the US specifically religiously. As for the US it’s a religious campaign that got adopted into the overarching cultural norm. I know a lot of people who got circumcised cus dad wanted them to “look like mine” or they thought it would be more appealing to future partners.
Yes it is. Both of those countries have a really heavy American influence. The Philippines was even a US territory for a few decades after the Spanish-American war the same way that Puerto Rico and Guam still are.
Ah no no We already have this way way before the western world discovered us We do this as a right of passage. And yes, we do this on pre teen bois and up and with full consent of them if they want But ofc, majority will do this cause of peer pressure
American influence. Christianity is super-big in South Korea for the same reason.
Most of the Christian world is not circumcised
I believe the comment is saying that South Korea has a high circumcision rate because of influence from the US and that the US has also influenced the popularity of Christianity in South Korea. Not necessarily that the circumcision rate and Christianity is related.
Yepp, that’s exactly what I was saying, thank you
Canada and Mexico: But do you really think it's necessary to-- America: YES IT IS!!!
We actually have data on Greenland that's a miracle
Methodology of source: "Where no data were available, the population proportion whose religious faith or culture requires MC was used."
for other countries with Muslim background, I can understand. but the US? 71%? what
It tickled my brain too. Can someone explain?
Look up the inventor of Kellogs… He was part of a large religious anti-masturbation movement in the 19th century… they made it so popular. And I wish I was making that up
I’ve also spoken to a few mothers that said “everyone else was doing it, so we did it too.” They didn’t give a second thought to disfiguring their child’s penis, it was just a fashionable thing to do. I’m grateful my mom was a bit more cognizant of my bodily autonomy
I have 2 boys. 1 circumcised, 1 not. When we did the first, our son came back crying so hard, he had no voice left. It became raspy for days, and he also cried for days on end. It was so traumatic that we decided against, for the second. Truly, we did the circumcision on our 1st because it’s what everyone does, and it’s what everyone recommends. Maybe we wanted him to be “normal”. However, fuck that! People need to hear more of these stories & realize how FUCKED UP it really is to cut up your child’s penis.
I have not a single friend who is circumcized, here in Central Europe it's absolutely unusual. I guess there are some people who would do it too if it was fashion, but luckily it is connected to extreme religion or disease, so people don't want to be connected to it.
Where I live is actually forbidden unless for medical reasons!
[Apparently it's not true](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#Misconceptions).
What’s the actual truth then? I’d like to know please :)
Kellogg was a 7th day Adventist. Yeah they believe in the whole 'no masterbation' thing, but they were much bigger on cleanliness. They adhere to old testament practises on the matter, which include eating kosher meats (if you eat meat at all, as they encourage vegetarianism) and washing behaviours. this includes circumcisions. Additionally, they discourage smoking, drinking, and eating processed foods. Kellogg, being a very rich man, established hospitals throughout the midwest that based themselves in 7th Day Adventist teachings. As a result, circumcision became a common practice in the region and eventually spread throughout the US. So while Kellogg would probably say circumcision reduces masturbation, that would be a secondary effect of his much bigger goals: advocating his faith and increasing public health.
Basically there were some influential doctors in the US and UK who began to advocate circumcision as a means of preventing disease and promoting hygiene. They thought it would cure or stop the spread of certain diseases and was more hygienic. Other doctors and baby books from the era would often recommend circumcision to new parents. Parents (mostly upper-class) began to circumcise their babies as a preventative measure in the late 1800's. By the early 1900's it became more widespread among all social classes, especially after WWI when the government promoted circumcision to prevent diseases and STIs among soldiers. After that it just became cultural inertia.
The man who made Cornflakes didn't want boys to be horny.
Yeah he just wanted them corny
It's just a part of tipping culture
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Reddit isn’t ready to hear this, but it’s not Kellogg and it’s not the religious nutjobs. It was a project of turn-of-the-century progressivism: Before you tune me out, I’m not saying modern progressives still believe this. I’m talking about the same kind of utopian progressivism that simultaneously popularized the eugenics movement in this country. Circumcision *was* believed to reduce the male masturbatory habit but not on religious grounds. It was believed to reduce a sort of “male hysteria.” The male sex drive had a severely deleterious impact on human society, or so it was said, and if it could be brought to heel, we’d be that much closer to progressive utopia. You ever wonder why we call a stupid or obnoxious person a “jerk”? Yeah. I wish I was kidding. In any case, circumcision was lauded for its benefits to health and personal hygiene and the same kind of rhetoric persists today. But now that people realize that circumcision didn’t — and won’t — save the world, it’s becoming unpopular again. I’m certain the number in the US has already declined and will continue to do so as younger circumcised males choose not to circumcise their sons, and older circumcised males die. I had a long and very interesting conversation about this with a friend who is a professor of the history and philosophy of science, with a keen interest in historical gender studies as well. I know that sounds a lot like “trust me bro”, but I’m happy to go back to him for sources.
21% seems high for the UK.
A 2003 survey reported a figure closer to 16%, of which almost 4% are for medical reasons (though often because of misdiagnosis). (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1744763/pdf/v079p00499.pdf) A lot of those surveyed who were circumcised were more likely to be born outside the UK or from any ethnic minority except Black Caribbean. On an odd side note, circumcised men were more likely to report having had homosexual partners and partners from abroad. They found no difference in prevalence of STIs between the two groups, suggesting that there are zero health benefits to the process.
Muslims + Jews + African Christians
Yep. That 21% UK figure is presumably very old because there's no recent data. A survey in the year 2000 found 15.8% of UK men in the age range 16-44 were circumcised, and at that time, 3.8% of male children were being circumcised before the age of 15 which the survey's authors said was too high and called for it to be reduced to 2%. There does not seem to be any recent surveys that I can find.
Yeah, I doubt that figure. In 20 years of dating I have never encountered a circumcised dick.
A lot of it is boomers and migrants, same with Australia
Boomers are not getting circumcised. There's almost no adult circumcision in the UK. And in an event they wouldn't show up here, I recognize these numbers, they're not circumcisions rates, they're neo-nate circumcision rates.
Yeah that seems spurious to me. It's almost unheard of outside of religious of medical reasons and heavily frowned upon for any other reason.
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My body, my rights. Anyone wanna tell me what the fuck happened to my foreskin?
Foreskin fairy came and stole it during night while u were sleeping
Why would anyone even do this 🤦🏻
I had a late circumsicion due to phimosis. I was 21 and it was 100% the correct decision. But that is a medical reason, I am against infant circumcision. AMA in case anyone's interested in the procedure.
>phimosis Same age as you and I also suffer from it. Thankfully it isn't a severe form. My doctor told me to stretch it every day and it has gotten better. But he also told me he would have recommended me circumcision had I arrived 2 years later. This made me realize how important it is to talk to a doctor about your problems, even if you are embarrassed.
I tried avoiding the operation as well, but sadly the stretching didn't really work for me. Went to another doctor and they immediately recommended the circumsision after I told her the stretching didn't work. Glad it worked for you, though, would have definitely kept it if it had been an option. But yeah, it's definitely one of those cases where it's best to be open and early. The earlier you talk about this kind of stuff the better your chances are. Not even just medically, I missed out on years of sex because of it. That alone is worth it. Don't be afraid guys!
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My parents paid an old man to do it.
As someone who is circumcised, mostly religion
The funny thing is that the World Health organization has declared that female circumcision is considered a "genital mutilation" therefore it is a criminal act. While male circumcision is still considered as a new look hair cut.
> While male circumcision is still considered as a new look hair cut. In Denmark close to 90% wants to ban male genital mutilation. Which is basically just following common sense and the advice of all medicical professional organisations. However the government will not enable such a ban due to our relationship with Israel.
Can I get layers ? I want it light and summery
Had Phimosis when I was about two. Was absolutely the right decision to get circumcised.
Why are there 71% circumcised males in USA?
It started as a mix of puritanical belief that circumcising a boy will cause them to associate their penis with pain and thus make them less likely to masturbate and the idea that it’s healthier (maybe at the time Americans hadn’t unlocked the wash dick skill?). To this day, the American paediatrics association still recommends it, in a controversial move (they have some very ideological ideas that are not science supported, while there’s some evidence for reduced HIV spread that’s like trying to use a napkin as an umbrella). To tell the truth, it just became tradition over there. Some cultures have tattoos, scarification, etc, and Americans have genital body modification for their boys.
WRONG. The American Association of Pediatrics does not recommend it. It only states that there seem to be enough benefits to not restrict it. “Evaluation of current evidence indicates that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks and that the procedure’s benefits justify access to this procedure for families who choose it.” The American College of Pediatrics does. But it is also a nutcase organization that recommends beating kids.
Because a cereal mogul didn’t like boy masturbating. And clearly it is impossible to masturbate if you circumcise boys. And then it became ingrained.
Truth is always stranger than fiction. Gimmie back my turtleneck, Kellogg!!!
Last time a similar map was posted someone mentioned there was a big campaign for circumcision during ww1. They didn’t want spider getting infections in wet unsanitary trench conditions.
Think of those poor spiders.
Shows how folks can be brainwashed on almost any topic.. ...including baby genital mutilation Yuck
Philippines is the only Spanish Colony that has high circumcision (Filipino: Tuli). Catholic Countries in LATAM do not
As fucking insane as it sounds, there's literally a facial cream made from baby foreskins. I wish I was kidding. https://www.bostonmagazine.com/health/2015/04/14/baby-foreskin-facial-boston-hydrafacial/
We need to stop mutilating the genitals of defenseless boys!
Agreed this is extremely fucked up!
Africa, the Middle East, muslim asia aaaaand; USA. Weird dudes…
And south Korea for some reason
SK due to US influence.
As an Italian and circumncised I figure why when I was a kid my friends made fool of me 🥲
Could it be argued the greatest and most enduring legacy of Ancient Egyptian civilization is circumcision?
Unfortunately. The one that started it must’ve been an asshole, as well as anyone continuing it.
I'd rather call them dickheads than assholes . It's a bit more fitting.
Percentage of oppressive religions that think about genitals waaaay too much
Hoodie gang
Rise up
Wow thats a crazy amount of people who still believe in baby genital mutilation. Yuck
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As far as countries without significant share of population being Muslim or Jewish go the circumcision rate of America is very high. The only such other countries that go beyond America is the Philippines and Congo, Kenya and Madagascar in Africa.
It is a barbaric practice.
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Did you ask your parents about it. I've also heard of women being wrong and thinking their boyfriend was circumcised when he wasn't.
Now Google “frenulum” and “ridged band”
Japan vs South Korea is interesting
It was an imported practice from American troops during the Korean War. It was presented as an advanced medical practice. I’m not sure why it didn’t spread in America’s time in Japan, possibly the different relationship of an occupying force vs an ally force.
South Korea was heavily influenced by the US post WW2
Sickening unless its medicinal somehow
I can't be the only one wondering who exactly collected the data and how.
A circumcision fetishist from Australia called Brian Morris.
Stop cutting the ends of your dicks people. Jesus fucking christ
Jesus (fucking) Christ was circumcised! His holy and miraculous foreskin [has been claimed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce) to be in various European churches, but the *smart* money is on it having ascended into the heavens and become [the rings of Saturn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce#Modern_literary_allusions).
It’s a barbaric and archaic ritual.
I had it done last year at 35 due to a medical condition. I now have way less sensation in the tip. There are just no advantages to it at all. Sex is still good, but not as good. Most men in the US had it done at birth so they have nothing to compare it to.
Thank you, I've literally talked to someone who has a completed nursing degree but is from Tunisia (so cultural and religious reasons for circumcision) and she was telling me shit like "there is no loss of sensation, it feels even better after for the men" and I was just "HUH?"
my dad was and still to this day spewing the same bullshit to justify mutilating my penis. I’m never forgiving him for this.
Sure is Anyone who thinks baby genital mutilation is ok is sick
Anecdotal, but a lot of South Korean boys/men born after the millennium are uncircumcised. Lots of sauna/public bath trips.
Finally, something I agree with North Korea on.
#29percentgang 🇺🇸😎
As an European, I'm concerned about North America (especially USA). They ban stuff for transgender people, but cut the skin of a boy's dick, and say "we protect children" lmao
US secret muslim
US secret jew
So glad my parents had it done to me
cut mine without permission, middle east is a mistake
Whether they realize it or not, cut men are missing the pleasurable nerve endings that are in a foreskin. They are missing the gliding motion over the head during sex. They are missing the mucosa that keeps the head moist, soft, and super sensitive. Saying "a cut guy can still feel pleasure" is like saying "a one-eyed man can still see."
Looking at ur Reddit account I think you’re the one with an unhealthy obsession with this topic
In their defence, it is probably the perfect case of username checks out, right?
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Holy shit
I mean username checks out tho.
Political activism is quite normal actually, and this topic is as good as any.
Ah, yes... A map of 3rd world countries
How do we have 11% in Germany? Last time i checked i think we had like 5% muslim population and jews nowhere make up 6%. Source: https://www.worlddata.info/country-comparison.php?country1=DEU&country2=FRA#religion
'Circumcision' is far too polite a term for it. 'Nonconsensual genital mutilation' would be more appropriate. A barbaric, archaic practice.
AKA genital mutilation.
Reddit and it's obsession about dicks.
I don’t care if someone has his dick cut or not, but this decision should be made by adult penis owner, not parents, church, priest or anyone else
I can’t fathom not having a foreskin. As a little experiment, I retracted it and left it for a few hours and it was just uncomfortable. Plus, how do you have a wank? I just start and go to town. I’d imagine you’d need all sorts of lubrication without a turtle neck. I HATE the argument about it being cleaner. I clean my penis every day, especially under the foreskin. I never get smegma. If someone does, it’s because they’re a dirty bastard.
I remember someone mentioning how prevalent lubricant was in American movies that dealt with the topic of male masturbation vs how for an uncut male lubricant is not really necessary. This was interesting to realize: in a society that is all about money, you commodify even wanks. And btw, the numbers in Spain (7%) have to be related to immigration or needed medical procedures because as far as I know no Spanish person that is not of immigration origins is circumcised🤔
Ouch
Im kinda shocked it's at 21% in the UK. Ive seen a lot of penises and only ever seen one cut...
Huh never realised it's that low in Europe. I got circumcised due to medical reasons (don't fully recall it as I was like 4 or 5) but I thought the percentage would be closer to the thirties in west Europe
South Korea?
I have a hard time believing that 21% of males in the UK are circumcised.
Loll Armenia glowing in a field of deep red lol.
How many times does this need to be posted in this sub? Some of you are unironically obsessed with dicks
I'm a man who has lived in New Zealand for my entire life, and not that I go out of my way to look or anything, but in my years of using urinals and changing rooms, I've never seen a circumcised dong in real life. I won't go as far as to say it's outright bullshit, but that 33% figure doesn't ring true to me at all.
Yeah in Greece no one does. Except if you have a disease
Funny how india's is just muslim population
*Genitally mutilated. Because let's face it, that's what 99% of the non-medically circumcised ate.
Circumcision is unnatural and disgusting. I'm glad to see that *most* of the civilized world has low circumcision rates.
Weird how the most religious places, who are also against "child mutilation" in the form of gender surgery have the most circumcision, something typical performed RIGHT AFTER BIRTH... so much for consent
This entire thread is just americans coping over male genital mutilation still being such a common practice. In Denmark every single health professional organisation is against it for several reasons. Obviously because it has no health benefits, but also because the procedure is a completely unnessary risk for infants. Besides that there is also the bodily autonomy argument. Nobody has the right the mutilate a childs body and the procedure should only be done in case of medical emergencies.