I don’t know about Fort Lauderdale but the answer is you make it less welcoming. Panama City did this by instituting curfews and banning alcohol on the beach. Obviously you can’t ban spring breakers but you can certainly make a location less appealing.
They can't is the real answer, they can just be real strict about stuff to get a bunch of them to turn away, like the person below me said. But the reality is if you go to Ft. Lauderdale rn, its full of college kids on the beach lol. They're not exactly doing the same shit as south beach only because the layout of Ft. Lauderdale is different. But its full of cops, barricades and drunk people
I might get down voted to hell but the police in Miami don’t do shit. I have seen numerous illegal things happening in front of cops and they don’t even look that direction. Just go on Biscayne Blvd and you will see endless traffic violations and nothing.
I got rammed at a stoplight and the car drove off right in front of a cop facing the intersection in a parking lot. I drove up to him and he was playing angry birds on his phone and just told me it wasn’t his territory.
Not my problem is the MO of most cops.
My cousin is a cop in Miami and he says cops are now watched by department heads under a microscope and kept on a tight leash. Cops hands are mostly tied and are told to try and avoid creating situations. Even told to make less arrests and allow mischief makers to go free or ignore it completely. You can think BLM and all the anti-cop politics going around now for cops in Miami to basically ignore interactions.
But this isn't only Miami, it's basically everywhere in USA and worse in blue states than Florida actually.
Curious, the guy I know who was speeding and killed two people going the wrong way wasn't even ticketed for either because the cops said they didn't know if he was speeding. (We later got the black box and paid for an analysis which showed he was). How do the cops know to give a ticket if an accident is caused?
I was gonna say, everyone here speeds like crazy including the cops. I've seen people fly down my street going 20 over with a cop right there and they don't do shit lol.
There are multiple laws in place that should be ticketed and yet they ignore them.
Loud Cars? https://www.motorbiscuit.com/new-florida-law-loud-car-music-exhausts-illegal/
Driving slow on the left lane? http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.081.html
Biking/scooter without a helmet? https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/316.2065
Well I have… because I got pulled over for going 10 over and slapped with a ticket but these cops are never around for the guys in the super charged hellcat going 100 in a residential zone smh. They give tickets when it’s the time of the month to meet quotas.
They are so lazy. I only ever see them working when its a speed trap. When I see people drive erratically on the highway, I think to myself where are the fucking cops when u need them? They’re always worrying about the wrong things.
Or the insane number of box trucks in the express lanes on I-95 even though all the signs clearly say no trucks. It's literally like cops in Miami dgaf. Meanwhile you go up the turnpike north of West Palm and it's speed trap city.
Lee County has a population of 760K. Miami dade has a population of 2.7 M and another 16m annual visitors. Sheriff Marceno would be so over his head in the big leagues
Idea: "Spring break" for deputies and police cadets from all over the country.
Except it's not a break, it's on-the-job training. With some perk like accommodation and some beach days.
Match the surge in young wild population with a surge in young eager law-enforcement.
I've noticed that too. Lots of people rolling up in shiny cars, mostly with Florida plates. Definitely NOT your average college kids.
Got me wondering if Spring Break in Miami Beach was a southeast regional criminal convention.
It’s been like this for years and years, since I was in college. And that was in the 00s. It’s always been a lot of locals. Not just from Miami, but other places in FL. Heck, they come from all over the place, especially anywhere in driving distance (Atlanta, etc.). It’s always been a mix of students and non students.
It’s like Christmas day for the locals. They sell a lot of drugs to these college kids. Some of them get mugged, raped and killed. I have personally seen these cops stand down while witnessing crimes. I am wondering if it has something to do with the Democratic mayor.
I see cops sit in my neighborhood surfing their phones half the time while people break laws right in front of them.
On one hand it pisses me off, on the other hand I think if I was a cop I'd be very demotivated to have any interactions for petty crimes with minorities because it could land you in the slammer.
Well if you're looking to placate your pendantic attitude, lazy cops in MIAMI are non partisan. Also, since when are cops asked to stand down? You'll need a resource for that.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/75-year-man-shoved-ground-buffalo-protest-files/story?id=76062143
Again cite your resources. We must live in opposite realities. 2020 was the year many left almost dead and some died at the hands of filthy cops. And again, we were originally talking about Miami police, which are pretty lazy across the county, not just SoBe.
How come this only happens during spring break. These locals can come anytime? Also I love this town. I’ve lived here far too long. I don’t agree the majority are locals. Also I guess we would have to define “locals” I wholeheartedly believe it’s people the majority are out of state residents.
Stop calling them spring breakers, they are not. Also, the “locals” you mention are local, yes. But not to Miami Beach. They are local to Opa Locka, Brownsville, Miami Gardens, etc. If you are going to talk about it, say it like it is.
So the numerous videos we have of mostly African Americans tearing shit up, jumping on cars, and causing mayhem is justified because they are "oppressed" by the white people int his city? Wtf are you talking about seriously...
This seems to be partially true, or rather some of the articles when you dig into who the criminals are they are locals or near locals. There are also a lot of people from Atlanta. I don't really see how it matters if they are local or not though, OPs suggestions are valid either way.
After watching the political hearings it's very obvious why this continues to be a problem though, local businesses down there have a big voice and say that curfews and strict rules are illegal. The people that actually live there don't have a loud voice, most of those business owners probably live in the Gables lol.
Would it be possible to completely block off Ocean Drive? make it like a venue basically witch lines to get in and such? would be annoying as hell but don’t see any other way that week
If nothing else just shut it down to cars from 10 pm to 5 am since hotels claim need during day.
Wasnt it this way 2 years during covid? Now just one way instead of two.
Yeah this was what I meant i think, basically making it an event that you have to make a line and you have to get carded and ID’d, i know people staying in the hotels would hate it but maybe they can have a different entrance and wristbands
They would need to block off Ocean Drive and have metal detectors to filter out the guns, like they do in other cities when there are ticketed music events in public spaces
I'm in Daytona, where out of control spring break got started thanks to MTV in 80s. In 90s, there were a few years where what was supposed to be Black College Reunion got totally off the rails and the residents balked.
The next year, the partiers coming to town were met by barricaded streets, a police officer in a car parked about every 50 ft in the middle of A1A for a couple miles, and even a temporary jail setup to hold all they were arresting for dumb behaviors.
Daytona town had cops from ALL OVER the state, as well as State cops, and they were super strict about giving tickets. They were here in massive numbers. It worked. Now with social media, cops are dealing with new "flash" events that pop up and "take over" the town. Big trucks is the latest. Good luck y'all.
There's no way you're a local, cuz your only valid complaint was of the police just standing in groups and talking, but everything else sounds like some Karen shit.
>cars blasting loud music at all hours of the night
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>speeding and reckless driving
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>jaywalking
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>littering
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>lots of illegal parking (in South Beach Zone 2 at least)
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>lots of public drinking on the street and beach (empty liquor bottles)
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>smoking in the park and on the beach
This is all stuff that goes on all year outside of spring break, what do you mean you've never seen this before lol. In fact this happens on every beach in FL not just South beach.
And lastly, "They should tow every single non-resident car that is parked in our residential parking zones." Once again the already do this. The have tow trucks circling south beach day and night all year round looking for cars to tow, its their bread and butter. So this post is mainly complaints about nothing
Remember that jaywalking includes things like "crossing the street mid-block or against a signal when no traffic is coming" and "Stepping off the curb when the countdown is still happening even when there's plenty of time".
Walking around in the city would become a big pain if they fully enforced jaywalking laws. Careful what you wish for. Enforcement needs to be reasonable; only ticket people actually causing a hazard.
miami literally functions off jaywalking. if you began enforcing jaywalking laws it would mess up the entire rhythm & i would argue it would cause more accidents atleast in the first few years. it's awkward to see goody two shoes touring here & they hesitate so much navigating the city it messes up the entire flow, drivers don't know whether to go or to not. as someone who has skated some 10k miles of miami streets i feel so much safer here than i do other cities / towns as drivers naturally expect pedestrian activity to be everywhere regardless of traffic laws. i could be statistically wrong as i've never looked it up but i'm not anecdotally aware of too many pedestrian accidents in miami.
i say this as being someone who hesitated when i first came here, id never navigated a city that moved so fast. you learn to flow here & hesitation is dangerous. it's like how driving is in many third world nations, it looks crazy but generally works as long as everyone is on the same pace. as soon as one person slows down it messes everyone up. my brothers are all motorcyclist & talk about how having a fast moving bike is much safer as they can quickly pull themselves out of bad situations, no hesitation.
When I say "jaywalking" I mean people that cross multi-lane high-traffic streets like Washington Ave or Collins Ave and disrupt the flow of traffic just because they couldn't wait 5 more seconds like everyone else who wanted to cross.
Yeah most of these are such extreme things to get police involved for when their time can be better used doing other things. If your problem is theyre just standing around then sure totally fair. But ticketing for jaywalking and smoking in the park/beach lol. Thats not going to help you find the thugs causing the most harm. And sure maybe someone speeding 60 on a 35 or some shit but we dont want speed trap after speed trap of cops stopping people going 45 on a 35. These people arent the problem.
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Yes it does happen year round, but it's way worse now during spring break.
The noise at night has been brutal, way worse than normal. Especially last weekend.
I've seen plenty of people parking illegally and just eating in their car or loitering. Then they throw their trash on the street in our neighborhood and leave. They clean up Washington Ave in the morning but no one cleans up other streets.
Plenty of people driving up and taking resident parking that were obviously not from the neighborhood.
Very few tow trucks by comparison.
I have seen them tow cars on Collins or side streets near Ocean. And the resident parking signs say tow-away zone, but I haven't seen any cars actually getting towed or ticketed in residential zone 2.
I think Miami Beach should be enforcing this stuff all the time. But if they want to talk about POLICING then the police should be enforcing the laws.
Is this your first year on the beach or something? It’s been this way for decades and yes, this rowdy for a decade-plus if not two. If the police wanted to actually do anything, they would. But they don’t, and so this is an annual occasion.
Well there are city ordinances for those. So they do have laws on the books. If they are useless that’s debatable. But they didn’t make that up, they just aren’t enforced.
Nobody's denying that those are laws, but in no way do normal people want these laws enforced. This is a classic example of people wanting rules enforced for others but not for yourself because the second you're caught jaywalking you're going to be pissed. If you're a person that follows 100% of the laws that he listed then congrats on being a square but that's not the way 99% of people work
Live in a tourist area -> complain about tourists in high season 🫠.
Well, I agree that there are some shitty things going on, the shooting, the people holding traffic, drinking,and littering, but we also had this before spring break, and OF COURSE it would get worse...
So maybe the point is to take care of those issues outside SB and not blame on high season.
99% of tourists are normal. Aka they behave as decent enough people. Do not destroy cars/property, don’t riot, don’t twerk on cars and don’t shoot each other.
Cops know that if they continue to let chaos reign during packed holiday weekends that they will continue to get increased budgets from the city. It’s always a money game, not an actual crime issue.
Did they stop towing? When I lived there the towing companies were brutal. Often my guests would get towed by morning if we forgot to add another day on the guest pass
I think so. Or maybe the towing companies are busy elsewhere. I’ve seen them towing on Collins.
I see plenty of people parking overnight next to towaway zone signs in the courts. And out of towners parking pretty much everywhere in zone 2 last weekend.
Someone from our building went out to tell some guys they were parked illegally and had to move. It went ok but roll of the dice. Would be better if the city enforced it.
These days, cops are immediately accused of racism and police brutality for even looking at a black person the wrong way. So might as well let them do whatever they want.
Hey champ, just wait until Ultra Music Festival hits this upcoming weekend. If you thought it was a zoo before...it'll be a zoo on molly. Uhnnz, uhnnz, uhnnz, uhnnz, tiki-tiki, tiki-tiki🤣
Seriously, Miami Beach doesn't have enough sworn LEO's to do the kind of policing you're talking about and I know you're not willing to personally pay an additional $20,000.00 per year in local taxes to make those kind of personnel hires possible.
South Miami Beach is the most famous beach in the continental USA and every high school and college age kid east of the Mississippi who can get there for spring break will try to get there to be a part of it. Everybody on spring break or who has friends on spring break, either from in town or from out of town wants to go to the beach where the party's at if only to tell people they went. You can have the greatest time on the street and spend only gas money.
I did it when I was in high school and college here in FL and that was back in the '80's when the flex was still taking polaroids "This is the hotel where they shot Miami Vice" or "This is from that one scene in Scarface". The scene was slightly more tame, but roid monsters fighting over girls after too many slushies from Fat Tuesday is just what happens when that many people get stuffed into that small an area. It's just back then, there weren't video cameras in every pocket filming everything. But if you listen to people's stories, nothing's changed.
Local kids on spring break still carry school beef over to the beach; guys who didn't finish high school still drive over from Naples to look at girls and act stupid; frat dudes from College X still challenge frat dudes from College Y and they get into a fight in a club that spills into the street; girls still get pissed when their guy looked at another thong too long.
And those don't even count the bumped into you and spilled your beer all over your new shoes and "What the fuck you mean you sorry!!??!" instafights
They would be smart to close off Ocean, Collins, and Washington from 5th to 20th to all vehicular traffic (including bicycles) each week from Thursday 12:01 am to Sunday 11:59 p.m. from March 1 til after Memorial Day, but nobody would stand for it.
Omg if the cops did what you say they need to do. It will clean up the city so quick. And next year these undesirable folks wouldn’t come. It’s honestly a great idea. I do think there would be a uptick in violence at first but then most wouldn’t return because they know SOBE
Speeding, reckless driving, blasting music, and roaring engines are something the police should crack down on. You don't have the right to break the peace.
I mean.
Public drinking and smoking and minor infractions are EXPECTED on spring break.
But this is a whole nother level.
I’m seeing videos and reports of vandalism, assault, and shootings. I literally just watched a video of multiple people body slamming someone’s car for no reason, while the cops just stood by not doing shit.
Miami Beach does not have a city plan of what they want to be when they grow up. The city has no definition of what Miami Beach wants to be ! Is Miami beach going to be an Ibiza, Monte Carlo, a new Orleans, a beach resort, or a "Babylon debauchery" .... you can not jump each month to one another without consequences,
Miami Beach is like a hotel that does not know about its strategy positioning: one day, one star, one day 5 stars !
It’s disingenuous for the Mayor to claim Spring Break can’t be controlled when we all see in person & on the news the police there doing nothing. Videos of the people stomping on the occupied car this past weekend clearly show uniformed officers at that intersection just standing there - literally doing nothing.
It’s not a coincidence the Mayor is simultaneously blaming business on Ocean Dr & then refusing to provide the required police support - the Mayor, and the developers who interests he protects, want those businesses gone. The longer they allow a free for all on Ocean Dr, the more support they get for driving certain businesses out.
Sorry to break this to you but all the things you listed have ALWAYS been there lol. I was born and raised in Miami and even when I was in highschool (back in 2000-2004) it was always that way.
This is all on purpose. It’s called intentional blight. Developers want to raze and redevelop the art deco district and the only way for them to do so to a historic district is make it unlivable and make people want to get rid of it, come on how obvious does this have to be, why would they bring spring break to the most expensive zip code in the country especially after getting rid of spring break in Ft. Lauderdale turned that beach into an international destination. So they do the opposite in THE MOST EXPENSIVE ZIP CODE IN THE COUNTRY? Also how hard is it to fence off, no bags and metal detectors like every other crowded city event in the country? All with a giant police force for its size.
That’s my thought too. If you just get over the causeway and get pulled over right away because you’re speeding or have loud music at 3am or some other reason, that will impact what you choose to do next.
Not some Karen BS. I live in SOBE and this pisses me off.
This is straight out of the Rudy Gilliani playbook for cleaning up NYC. Go after minor offenses and you’ll move the needle everywhere.
Move to Key Biscayne, it all goes away poof. We don't use the Rudy playbook and yet, none of this is a problem here. The worst we have is kids on golfcarts and too many cyclists on the rickenbacker in the morning. Wonder how it is two places that are just a little over a mile apart can be so different without either having Rudy for mayor
You are being disingenuous, Key Biscayne is one of the most expensive, if not most expensive areas of Miami.
There is also no real night life there so it's not a place low-income tourists would think of going to party.
Also unless you are making 300-400k a year minimum, living in Key Biscayne is not really an option.
Well, everyone wants to go to heaven, no one wants to die as they say. Live by the sword die by it or whatever cliche you favor You're living in an area that has been party town for a long time and proposing a remedy with a big *citation needed*
A million variables were in play during Giuliani's tenure. People particular to a strong law enforcement narrative claim that it's about broken windows. I get it that you'd like to see it go down like that but you live in a community world a whole lot of people also don't want it to be like that. As I said we don't have hard core law enforcement here, only have a tiny police force and yet no problem. It's a community issue.
This is called Broken Windows policing. The problem is that its a catch 22. It leads to over incarceration and contributes to the school to prison pipeline. Broken Windows was super popular up until about a decade ago.
In this instance however, I think you’re correct. I used to visit SOBE all of the time until the 2010s when it seemed to get more and more ghetto every year.
FWIW a personal friend of mine’s father was mayor of Miami Beach in the 80s. He was about as liberal as t you get and even his family is pissed about what’s happened.
Lol, yes and no. It worked to a degree but at the end of the day the cost was too much. I think it’s going to make a bit of a come back though. The new mayor of NYC is all about it.
As a born and raised New Yorker. Who lived here for more than 30 years… broken windows absolutely worked. One of best things that the nypd did and doing away with it was a mistake
Cars blasting loud music, public drinking, jaywalking and smoking in the park. I understand your goal but it’s also very karenesque when it comes to spring break in freakin Miami. You might as well throw in no hotelpooling and no thong bikinis
Yes, throw that in too. Thongs are fine on the beach, but in the street and in restaurants? Have some self respect. I Don't want some fat ass walking by while I'm trying to eat.
I don’t. I think the things you named are just regular things spring breakers do, not “criminal elements”. Policing petty crimes like loud music and Jay walking won’t stop anyone from getting shot or selling fake pills. You don’t want to stop crime you just want the cops to stop your personal annoyances
Rudy Giuliani didn’t actually clean up much with cabaret laws and such. I lived there at the time. People just have a misty-eyed memory of his term because of Sept. 11 and the aftermath.
I lived in New York then too and still do lol also have a place in Miami. Giuliani did a great job cleaning up the city and Bloomberg did as well. Broken windows, stop & frisk, etc worked.
EXACTLY!! "Broken Windows" policing . Throw trash in the street, write them up, blasting music while sitting on the rear deck of the convertible, write them up. While you're at it look for outstanding warrants on the assholes and lock them up, you know you'll find some.
From what I could see, the lunatics are running the asylum in that city. I mean letting people into a decent restaurant in a thong so they can sit their bare ass on a seat? Tourism is their bread and butter, and this is one who won't be back, nor anybody I talk to.
Back in Miami Beaches “Glory days” cops were brutal and efficient at their jobs. For example, I remember people saying never to take a picture at the topless women because all of a sudden 5 cops would swarm up on you out of nowhere and arrest you. That’s how close they were keeping a tap on things. Undercover cops looking to buy or sell drugs were swarming all over the place on the beach and the clubs, and if they smelled a whiff of weed on a group of guys all of them would be immediately spread out on the wall getting searched.
They could never do that anymore, most people think it’s their right to fight back against the police and start an altercation, everybody films and blames the cops, and local prosecutors would just drop the charges saying the cops shouldn’t have started it over something small like publicly using or buying/selling drugs
I’d like to know too. Was the glory days back in the 1980s? back during the cocaine cowboy days? Back when something like 10% of Miami Police Department was fired or suspended because of drug scandals? The glory days of when Miami cops rolled up on drug smugglers, executed them, and stole the cocaine for themselves? Those glory days?
Or maybe the more recent glory days where they got into shootouts in the middle of busy intersections with civilians caught in the crossfire, then they went around confiscating/destroying the phones of anyone who took a video.
>These may all be "minor" infractions but if Miami Beach wants to get a handle on spring break I think they should be really strict about enforcing as much as they can.
I can't speak to Miami, but sometimes this has way of escalating things or police targets certain people only.
Of course, a fair enforcement would be best for everyone.
It’s really simple, just close the fucking beach down. I don’t care if the troublemakers are locals or not, the point is that these “spring breakers” come to the beach and do nothing but wreak havoc. I can promise you half of those “spring breakers” don’t even work (unless you count selling ass and selling grass as work), let alone go to school. Every year is the same goddamn story and the local government does absolutely nothing until someone gets shot up.
I don’t live in places known for tourism then act surprised when tourists act up. If I want the calmness of the suburbs I move to the burbs, which i did. Spring break hasn’t been a new issue for Miami Beach
You're joking. Those aren't tourists, they are local criminals. Those are your neighbors. I'll bet they mostly live within 50 miles of South Beach. Tourists come from places that experience winter and want to go somewhere warm. At best, the dirt bags I saw could be called visitors. You seem to have a very elevated perception of South Beach. Again, this is the first time I've been there in a long time, and it used to be nice. But it's not nice now. Here's an indicator for you, every place I went into built a 20% tip into the goddamn bill. That has to be because people are just too shitty to not tip the servers. I have not been anywhere in this country, or other countries for that matter, and have that happen. What does that say about the people that live in a place who won't tip the people that serve them?
Facial recognition software with cameras on light posts / near major intersections / lifeguard stations, allowed to be used by police in the event of a suspected crime like the one of those people wrecking the inside of a store that was posted here yesterday. ID suspects. Round up. Heavy penalties include forfeiture of assets to pay fines and jail time with no bail. Keep upping the penalties until it sinks in that crime isn't tolerated. This isn't rocket science.
Only for criminals. I'm not talking about predicting crimes and locking them up proactively, Just evidence gathering *after* it happened. Unless their business is criminal, I'm not sure who would have an issue with this. Easy not to run astray, just don't commit crimes.
Oh well, let's just ignore crimes when there is evidence of it having happened. That will help us. 2019, er.....2010, err... 2008 called. It wants its bad theories back.
In the near future? My friend, go out into the world and do some crazy shit - you will be filmed, posted online, doxxed, your company will be contacted and you will lose your job.
The future is now.
No. We won't. America is too polarized. And in this respect, its a good thing.
What we shouldn't be polarized about is passive mechanisms to collect evidence of crime, where we know they were already committed.
Miami Beach brought this on itself. The tacit and overt racism against Black travelers by residents, businesses, and authorities alike led to tension against the police in the city. Each year, they use racial dog whistles and encourage the most confrontational and defiant among Black spring breakers to descend upon the city. I enjoy seeing the city struggle like this, tbh.
The way to deal with the issue is to provide several activities for travelers, offer free amenities, and to advertise to a more educated Black clientele to fill up the rooms.
In the country every time things would get out of control they would bring the fucking army with tanks and armored cars to the streets.
It was pretty effective.
This is why Ft Lauderdale is no longer hosting spring break. This is why South Beach will do the same in short time.
Serious question...how does a city prevent to "host spring break"? What are they going to do? Turn away all of the college kids flying to Miami?
I don’t know about Fort Lauderdale but the answer is you make it less welcoming. Panama City did this by instituting curfews and banning alcohol on the beach. Obviously you can’t ban spring breakers but you can certainly make a location less appealing.
They can't is the real answer, they can just be real strict about stuff to get a bunch of them to turn away, like the person below me said. But the reality is if you go to Ft. Lauderdale rn, its full of college kids on the beach lol. They're not exactly doing the same shit as south beach only because the layout of Ft. Lauderdale is different. But its full of cops, barricades and drunk people
i live in south beach and couldn’t agree more
I might get down voted to hell but the police in Miami don’t do shit. I have seen numerous illegal things happening in front of cops and they don’t even look that direction. Just go on Biscayne Blvd and you will see endless traffic violations and nothing.
I got rammed at a stoplight and the car drove off right in front of a cop facing the intersection in a parking lot. I drove up to him and he was playing angry birds on his phone and just told me it wasn’t his territory. Not my problem is the MO of most cops.
My cousin is a cop in Miami and he says cops are now watched by department heads under a microscope and kept on a tight leash. Cops hands are mostly tied and are told to try and avoid creating situations. Even told to make less arrests and allow mischief makers to go free or ignore it completely. You can think BLM and all the anti-cop politics going around now for cops in Miami to basically ignore interactions. But this isn't only Miami, it's basically everywhere in USA and worse in blue states than Florida actually.
No, you’re right.
The only thing the Miami police are good for is speed traps. The lazy way of policing.
Only there give you speeding tickets
Wait…have you seen them even do that? Honestly? Because I only see them after an accident happens.
Curious, the guy I know who was speeding and killed two people going the wrong way wasn't even ticketed for either because the cops said they didn't know if he was speeding. (We later got the black box and paid for an analysis which showed he was). How do the cops know to give a ticket if an accident is caused?
I was gonna say, everyone here speeds like crazy including the cops. I've seen people fly down my street going 20 over with a cop right there and they don't do shit lol.
There are multiple laws in place that should be ticketed and yet they ignore them. Loud Cars? https://www.motorbiscuit.com/new-florida-law-loud-car-music-exhausts-illegal/ Driving slow on the left lane? http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.081.html Biking/scooter without a helmet? https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/316.2065
I have never once seen anyone in Miami get pulled over for anything.
Well I have… because I got pulled over for going 10 over and slapped with a ticket but these cops are never around for the guys in the super charged hellcat going 100 in a residential zone smh. They give tickets when it’s the time of the month to meet quotas.
They are so lazy. I only ever see them working when its a speed trap. When I see people drive erratically on the highway, I think to myself where are the fucking cops when u need them? They’re always worrying about the wrong things.
Or the insane number of box trucks in the express lanes on I-95 even though all the signs clearly say no trucks. It's literally like cops in Miami dgaf. Meanwhile you go up the turnpike north of West Palm and it's speed trap city.
The only thing Miami police do is harass people and abuse their power. But they don't want to scare off tourists.
Miami Beach gotta give workers parking. I hate having to come and have no fucking parking
building some more metrorail lines and improving the bus system would do wonders
just one more lane bro, pls bro one more lane and another parking lot bro, i promise bro,,,
“One more lane please” is the “Just the tip” of South Floridas DOT.
Yes. And during spring break all the parking is being taken illegally by out of towners who park, don’t pay, and party in their cars!
This is a top issue for me
Not saying all Spring Breakers are all little angels, but the majority of the troublemakers are locals. They prey on the spring breakers.
So, same rules apply to them, if they'd be enforced.
I agree with you. I have a good idea for these people. Why don’t they go over to Lee County and fuck around and find out.
Wtf is in lee county
A sheriff that will lock your ass up in a heartbeat. He doesn’t play in his county.
Lee County has a population of 760K. Miami dade has a population of 2.7 M and another 16m annual visitors. Sheriff Marceno would be so over his head in the big leagues
Just like Miami enforcement is in over their heads currently.. nobody can control that shit show county
i suspect that the law enforcement in any city where that crowd showed up would be in over their heads - simply outnumbered
Idea: "Spring break" for deputies and police cadets from all over the country. Except it's not a break, it's on-the-job training. With some perk like accommodation and some beach days. Match the surge in young wild population with a surge in young eager law-enforcement.
or we would have a competent city police force, one or the other.
That would be great. Might require all new officers but I am down
I can't speak to that, but change has to start somewhere.
What? A respectful Redditor that admits not knowing something? That’s a first! Have a great day.
I've noticed that too. Lots of people rolling up in shiny cars, mostly with Florida plates. Definitely NOT your average college kids. Got me wondering if Spring Break in Miami Beach was a southeast regional criminal convention.
Rental cars have Florida plates, duh.
Lmao I was coming over here to say the same thing. Most car rental companies in Florida have Florida plates.
U mean the luxury rentals like Lamborghinis and Ferraris?
Couldnt agree more, spring breakers are supposed to be college kids on spring break, not rowdy ass local ghetto 30-40 year olds tryna turn up
Rental cars. I see them load/unload in front of the fountainebleau all day every day
It’s been like this for years and years, since I was in college. And that was in the 00s. It’s always been a lot of locals. Not just from Miami, but other places in FL. Heck, they come from all over the place, especially anywhere in driving distance (Atlanta, etc.). It’s always been a mix of students and non students.
It’s like Christmas day for the locals. They sell a lot of drugs to these college kids. Some of them get mugged, raped and killed. I have personally seen these cops stand down while witnessing crimes. I am wondering if it has something to do with the Democratic mayor.
Lazy cops are non partisan 🤷
I see cops sit in my neighborhood surfing their phones half the time while people break laws right in front of them. On one hand it pisses me off, on the other hand I think if I was a cop I'd be very demotivated to have any interactions for petty crimes with minorities because it could land you in the slammer.
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Well if you're looking to placate your pendantic attitude, lazy cops in MIAMI are non partisan. Also, since when are cops asked to stand down? You'll need a resource for that.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/75-year-man-shoved-ground-buffalo-protest-files/story?id=76062143 Again cite your resources. We must live in opposite realities. 2020 was the year many left almost dead and some died at the hands of filthy cops. And again, we were originally talking about Miami police, which are pretty lazy across the county, not just SoBe.
You really came here to do the "BLM - Antifa" schtick? Bro, estas perdido
You lost as soon as you said Antifa.
the vast majority of these "kids" aren't in college.
How come this only happens during spring break. These locals can come anytime? Also I love this town. I’ve lived here far too long. I don’t agree the majority are locals. Also I guess we would have to define “locals” I wholeheartedly believe it’s people the majority are out of state residents.
Stop calling them spring breakers, they are not. Also, the “locals” you mention are local, yes. But not to Miami Beach. They are local to Opa Locka, Brownsville, Miami Gardens, etc. If you are going to talk about it, say it like it is.
I’m sure they are from other areas to. They don’t need people from out of town. There’s plenty in Miami that are just as bad.
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Buddy have you even SEEN the videos of what’s happening and who is doing it?
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So the numerous videos we have of mostly African Americans tearing shit up, jumping on cars, and causing mayhem is justified because they are "oppressed" by the white people int his city? Wtf are you talking about seriously...
White spring breakers aren't shooting each other by the dozens every year
If you say so, my man.
Dude is in denial lol
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This seems to be partially true, or rather some of the articles when you dig into who the criminals are they are locals or near locals. There are also a lot of people from Atlanta. I don't really see how it matters if they are local or not though, OPs suggestions are valid either way. After watching the political hearings it's very obvious why this continues to be a problem though, local businesses down there have a big voice and say that curfews and strict rules are illegal. The people that actually live there don't have a loud voice, most of those business owners probably live in the Gables lol.
Would it be possible to completely block off Ocean Drive? make it like a venue basically witch lines to get in and such? would be annoying as hell but don’t see any other way that week
If nothing else just shut it down to cars from 10 pm to 5 am since hotels claim need during day. Wasnt it this way 2 years during covid? Now just one way instead of two.
They had barriers blocking it off last weekend.
But they are allowing anyone in. It needs to be a ticketed venue.
Yeah this was what I meant i think, basically making it an event that you have to make a line and you have to get carded and ID’d, i know people staying in the hotels would hate it but maybe they can have a different entrance and wristbands
It's a public street and beach; you can't just make it (3o5)Pri-vaTE.
They block off sections of the beach for ticketed events. I know other cities block off streets for ticketed events.
They would need to block off Ocean Drive and have metal detectors to filter out the guns, like they do in other cities when there are ticketed music events in public spaces
Jaywalking? What you want cops to hide behind light poles and jump out when someone crosses the road?
I haven't seen south florida police enforcing order in our communities since before the pandemic...
They couldn’t even don a simple mask to “protect and serve” during the height of COVID.
I'm in Daytona, where out of control spring break got started thanks to MTV in 80s. In 90s, there were a few years where what was supposed to be Black College Reunion got totally off the rails and the residents balked. The next year, the partiers coming to town were met by barricaded streets, a police officer in a car parked about every 50 ft in the middle of A1A for a couple miles, and even a temporary jail setup to hold all they were arresting for dumb behaviors. Daytona town had cops from ALL OVER the state, as well as State cops, and they were super strict about giving tickets. They were here in massive numbers. It worked. Now with social media, cops are dealing with new "flash" events that pop up and "take over" the town. Big trucks is the latest. Good luck y'all.
There's no way you're a local, cuz your only valid complaint was of the police just standing in groups and talking, but everything else sounds like some Karen shit. >cars blasting loud music at all hours of the night > >speeding and reckless driving > >jaywalking > >littering > >lots of illegal parking (in South Beach Zone 2 at least) > >lots of public drinking on the street and beach (empty liquor bottles) > >smoking in the park and on the beach This is all stuff that goes on all year outside of spring break, what do you mean you've never seen this before lol. In fact this happens on every beach in FL not just South beach. And lastly, "They should tow every single non-resident car that is parked in our residential parking zones." Once again the already do this. The have tow trucks circling south beach day and night all year round looking for cars to tow, its their bread and butter. So this post is mainly complaints about nothing
The jaywalking comment made me lol.
Shid I live here and jaywalk at the beach all the time
Remember that jaywalking includes things like "crossing the street mid-block or against a signal when no traffic is coming" and "Stepping off the curb when the countdown is still happening even when there's plenty of time". Walking around in the city would become a big pain if they fully enforced jaywalking laws. Careful what you wish for. Enforcement needs to be reasonable; only ticket people actually causing a hazard.
miami literally functions off jaywalking. if you began enforcing jaywalking laws it would mess up the entire rhythm & i would argue it would cause more accidents atleast in the first few years. it's awkward to see goody two shoes touring here & they hesitate so much navigating the city it messes up the entire flow, drivers don't know whether to go or to not. as someone who has skated some 10k miles of miami streets i feel so much safer here than i do other cities / towns as drivers naturally expect pedestrian activity to be everywhere regardless of traffic laws. i could be statistically wrong as i've never looked it up but i'm not anecdotally aware of too many pedestrian accidents in miami. i say this as being someone who hesitated when i first came here, id never navigated a city that moved so fast. you learn to flow here & hesitation is dangerous. it's like how driving is in many third world nations, it looks crazy but generally works as long as everyone is on the same pace. as soon as one person slows down it messes everyone up. my brothers are all motorcyclist & talk about how having a fast moving bike is much safer as they can quickly pull themselves out of bad situations, no hesitation.
When I say "jaywalking" I mean people that cross multi-lane high-traffic streets like Washington Ave or Collins Ave and disrupt the flow of traffic just because they couldn't wait 5 more seconds like everyone else who wanted to cross.
Yeah most of these are such extreme things to get police involved for when their time can be better used doing other things. If your problem is theyre just standing around then sure totally fair. But ticketing for jaywalking and smoking in the park/beach lol. Thats not going to help you find the thugs causing the most harm. And sure maybe someone speeding 60 on a 35 or some shit but we dont want speed trap after speed trap of cops stopping people going 45 on a 35. These people arent the problem.
And the City of Miami Beach gets a percentage of every tow and the associated tickets
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YES
Yes it does happen year round, but it's way worse now during spring break. The noise at night has been brutal, way worse than normal. Especially last weekend. I've seen plenty of people parking illegally and just eating in their car or loitering. Then they throw their trash on the street in our neighborhood and leave. They clean up Washington Ave in the morning but no one cleans up other streets. Plenty of people driving up and taking resident parking that were obviously not from the neighborhood. Very few tow trucks by comparison. I have seen them tow cars on Collins or side streets near Ocean. And the resident parking signs say tow-away zone, but I haven't seen any cars actually getting towed or ticketed in residential zone 2. I think Miami Beach should be enforcing this stuff all the time. But if they want to talk about POLICING then the police should be enforcing the laws.
Is this your first year on the beach or something? It’s been this way for decades and yes, this rowdy for a decade-plus if not two. If the police wanted to actually do anything, they would. But they don’t, and so this is an annual occasion.
I thought I was going crazy, OP is a huge Dweeb confirmed-this post is awful. Tickets for loud music? Jaywalking? Smoking? Just wow
Well there are city ordinances for those. So they do have laws on the books. If they are useless that’s debatable. But they didn’t make that up, they just aren’t enforced.
Nobody's denying that those are laws, but in no way do normal people want these laws enforced. This is a classic example of people wanting rules enforced for others but not for yourself because the second you're caught jaywalking you're going to be pissed. If you're a person that follows 100% of the laws that he listed then congrats on being a square but that's not the way 99% of people work
Live in a tourist area -> complain about tourists in high season 🫠. Well, I agree that there are some shitty things going on, the shooting, the people holding traffic, drinking,and littering, but we also had this before spring break, and OF COURSE it would get worse... So maybe the point is to take care of those issues outside SB and not blame on high season.
Normal tourist don’t twerk on cars, destroy cars, riot, shoot each other etc.
Yeah, but the world is not made of exclusively"normal" (whatever you mean by that)
99% of tourists are normal. Aka they behave as decent enough people. Do not destroy cars/property, don’t riot, don’t twerk on cars and don’t shoot each other.
So, twerking is ok as long as it's not on cars?
That’s fair. I don’t love tourists. But the criminal elements we are seeing aren’t your average tourists.
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I’ve seen the videos. There’s indeed one common denominator.
What’s the denominator
Say what you want to say. I’m curious lol
Righttt like bro speak up lmaoo
So what's your solution to the elephant in the room?
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I don't think it would eliminate anybody,TBH. Is this a joke that's making the rounds in white supremacy forums?
Cops know that if they continue to let chaos reign during packed holiday weekends that they will continue to get increased budgets from the city. It’s always a money game, not an actual crime issue.
Job security
Don’t forget that sweet sweet overtime which is actually paid out at double time.
What towing company you work for?
I don't. But I live in Zone 2 and I see how many people are parking illegally. Miami Beach should be towing everyone and collecting fines from it.
Did they stop towing? When I lived there the towing companies were brutal. Often my guests would get towed by morning if we forgot to add another day on the guest pass
The city doesn't tow people. Private companies do that.
Hence “towing companies were brutal”
There are Miami Beach parking enforcement cars driving all around. I thought they would be calling for vehicles to be towed.
I think so. Or maybe the towing companies are busy elsewhere. I’ve seen them towing on Collins. I see plenty of people parking overnight next to towaway zone signs in the courts. And out of towners parking pretty much everywhere in zone 2 last weekend. Someone from our building went out to tell some guys they were parked illegally and had to move. It went ok but roll of the dice. Would be better if the city enforced it.
These days, cops are immediately accused of racism and police brutality for even looking at a black person the wrong way. So might as well let them do whatever they want.
That's exactly what's going on. These kids feel like they can get away with anything these days.
Hey champ, just wait until Ultra Music Festival hits this upcoming weekend. If you thought it was a zoo before...it'll be a zoo on molly. Uhnnz, uhnnz, uhnnz, uhnnz, tiki-tiki, tiki-tiki🤣 Seriously, Miami Beach doesn't have enough sworn LEO's to do the kind of policing you're talking about and I know you're not willing to personally pay an additional $20,000.00 per year in local taxes to make those kind of personnel hires possible. South Miami Beach is the most famous beach in the continental USA and every high school and college age kid east of the Mississippi who can get there for spring break will try to get there to be a part of it. Everybody on spring break or who has friends on spring break, either from in town or from out of town wants to go to the beach where the party's at if only to tell people they went. You can have the greatest time on the street and spend only gas money. I did it when I was in high school and college here in FL and that was back in the '80's when the flex was still taking polaroids "This is the hotel where they shot Miami Vice" or "This is from that one scene in Scarface". The scene was slightly more tame, but roid monsters fighting over girls after too many slushies from Fat Tuesday is just what happens when that many people get stuffed into that small an area. It's just back then, there weren't video cameras in every pocket filming everything. But if you listen to people's stories, nothing's changed. Local kids on spring break still carry school beef over to the beach; guys who didn't finish high school still drive over from Naples to look at girls and act stupid; frat dudes from College X still challenge frat dudes from College Y and they get into a fight in a club that spills into the street; girls still get pissed when their guy looked at another thong too long. And those don't even count the bumped into you and spilled your beer all over your new shoes and "What the fuck you mean you sorry!!??!" instafights They would be smart to close off Ocean, Collins, and Washington from 5th to 20th to all vehicular traffic (including bicycles) each week from Thursday 12:01 am to Sunday 11:59 p.m. from March 1 til after Memorial Day, but nobody would stand for it.
Man, what an absolute shit show. This shit is getting worse and very year. Thank GOD I never go to Miami Beach.
Yeah people ain’t fkin around in las olas them boys rolling deep out there
"spring break"
Just play country music on a loudspeaker and triple prices. D O N E.
Omg if the cops did what you say they need to do. It will clean up the city so quick. And next year these undesirable folks wouldn’t come. It’s honestly a great idea. I do think there would be a uptick in violence at first but then most wouldn’t return because they know SOBE
Speeding, reckless driving, blasting music, and roaring engines are something the police should crack down on. You don't have the right to break the peace.
I mean. Public drinking and smoking and minor infractions are EXPECTED on spring break. But this is a whole nother level. I’m seeing videos and reports of vandalism, assault, and shootings. I literally just watched a video of multiple people body slamming someone’s car for no reason, while the cops just stood by not doing shit.
Well said. The police around here should honestly be ashamed of their inaction. They are fucking worthless
Bro........ spring break? You just listed the 7 things Miami Beach is most known for year round.
Miami Beach does not have a city plan of what they want to be when they grow up. The city has no definition of what Miami Beach wants to be ! Is Miami beach going to be an Ibiza, Monte Carlo, a new Orleans, a beach resort, or a "Babylon debauchery" .... you can not jump each month to one another without consequences, Miami Beach is like a hotel that does not know about its strategy positioning: one day, one star, one day 5 stars !
It’s disingenuous for the Mayor to claim Spring Break can’t be controlled when we all see in person & on the news the police there doing nothing. Videos of the people stomping on the occupied car this past weekend clearly show uniformed officers at that intersection just standing there - literally doing nothing. It’s not a coincidence the Mayor is simultaneously blaming business on Ocean Dr & then refusing to provide the required police support - the Mayor, and the developers who interests he protects, want those businesses gone. The longer they allow a free for all on Ocean Dr, the more support they get for driving certain businesses out.
Sorry to break this to you but all the things you listed have ALWAYS been there lol. I was born and raised in Miami and even when I was in highschool (back in 2000-2004) it was always that way.
You definitely the guy who then bitches and moans about police when you get a ticket for rolling a stop sign
This is all on purpose. It’s called intentional blight. Developers want to raze and redevelop the art deco district and the only way for them to do so to a historic district is make it unlivable and make people want to get rid of it, come on how obvious does this have to be, why would they bring spring break to the most expensive zip code in the country especially after getting rid of spring break in Ft. Lauderdale turned that beach into an international destination. So they do the opposite in THE MOST EXPENSIVE ZIP CODE IN THE COUNTRY? Also how hard is it to fence off, no bags and metal detectors like every other crowded city event in the country? All with a giant police force for its size.
What am I reading? EVERY SINGLE BULLET POINT IS LITERALLY South Beach regularly. The only difference is it's more concentrated and more of it now.
Start busting some heads and they wont come back .. fck around and find out
That’s my thought too. If you just get over the causeway and get pulled over right away because you’re speeding or have loud music at 3am or some other reason, that will impact what you choose to do next.
Crazy how spring breakers bring out the conservative law & order crowd in this ultra liberal sub
I hate the Karen label but damn this might be the best example I’ve seen on Reddit in a while.
Not some Karen BS. I live in SOBE and this pisses me off. This is straight out of the Rudy Gilliani playbook for cleaning up NYC. Go after minor offenses and you’ll move the needle everywhere.
Move to Key Biscayne, it all goes away poof. We don't use the Rudy playbook and yet, none of this is a problem here. The worst we have is kids on golfcarts and too many cyclists on the rickenbacker in the morning. Wonder how it is two places that are just a little over a mile apart can be so different without either having Rudy for mayor
You are being disingenuous, Key Biscayne is one of the most expensive, if not most expensive areas of Miami. There is also no real night life there so it's not a place low-income tourists would think of going to party. Also unless you are making 300-400k a year minimum, living in Key Biscayne is not really an option.
I really like SOBE. I don’t want to live in Key Biscayne.
Well, everyone wants to go to heaven, no one wants to die as they say. Live by the sword die by it or whatever cliche you favor You're living in an area that has been party town for a long time and proposing a remedy with a big *citation needed* A million variables were in play during Giuliani's tenure. People particular to a strong law enforcement narrative claim that it's about broken windows. I get it that you'd like to see it go down like that but you live in a community world a whole lot of people also don't want it to be like that. As I said we don't have hard core law enforcement here, only have a tiny police force and yet no problem. It's a community issue.
I for one would love it if south beach implemented Rudy’s police’s. And so would a lot of other south beach residents
This is called Broken Windows policing. The problem is that its a catch 22. It leads to over incarceration and contributes to the school to prison pipeline. Broken Windows was super popular up until about a decade ago. In this instance however, I think you’re correct. I used to visit SOBE all of the time until the 2010s when it seemed to get more and more ghetto every year. FWIW a personal friend of mine’s father was mayor of Miami Beach in the 80s. He was about as liberal as t you get and even his family is pissed about what’s happened.
Broken windows worked though.
Lol, yes and no. It worked to a degree but at the end of the day the cost was too much. I think it’s going to make a bit of a come back though. The new mayor of NYC is all about it.
What was the cost and why was it too high?
The cost was mass incarceration and a relatively small decline in crime.
As a born and raised New Yorker. Who lived here for more than 30 years… broken windows absolutely worked. One of best things that the nypd did and doing away with it was a mistake
Cars blasting loud music, public drinking, jaywalking and smoking in the park. I understand your goal but it’s also very karenesque when it comes to spring break in freakin Miami. You might as well throw in no hotelpooling and no thong bikinis
Yes, throw that in too. Thongs are fine on the beach, but in the street and in restaurants? Have some self respect. I Don't want some fat ass walking by while I'm trying to eat.
I agree, I don’t want to see it either. I’m just saying it has nothing to do with actual crime. It’s just annoying
I just think enforcing the small laws will deter larger criminal elements. There are plenty of cops around to do it.
I don’t. I think the things you named are just regular things spring breakers do, not “criminal elements”. Policing petty crimes like loud music and Jay walking won’t stop anyone from getting shot or selling fake pills. You don’t want to stop crime you just want the cops to stop your personal annoyances
Rudy Giuliani didn’t actually clean up much with cabaret laws and such. I lived there at the time. People just have a misty-eyed memory of his term because of Sept. 11 and the aftermath.
I lived in New York then too and still do lol also have a place in Miami. Giuliani did a great job cleaning up the city and Bloomberg did as well. Broken windows, stop & frisk, etc worked.
EXACTLY!! "Broken Windows" policing . Throw trash in the street, write them up, blasting music while sitting on the rear deck of the convertible, write them up. While you're at it look for outstanding warrants on the assholes and lock them up, you know you'll find some. From what I could see, the lunatics are running the asylum in that city. I mean letting people into a decent restaurant in a thong so they can sit their bare ass on a seat? Tourism is their bread and butter, and this is one who won't be back, nor anybody I talk to.
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Back in Miami Beaches “Glory days” cops were brutal and efficient at their jobs. For example, I remember people saying never to take a picture at the topless women because all of a sudden 5 cops would swarm up on you out of nowhere and arrest you. That’s how close they were keeping a tap on things. Undercover cops looking to buy or sell drugs were swarming all over the place on the beach and the clubs, and if they smelled a whiff of weed on a group of guys all of them would be immediately spread out on the wall getting searched. They could never do that anymore, most people think it’s their right to fight back against the police and start an altercation, everybody films and blames the cops, and local prosecutors would just drop the charges saying the cops shouldn’t have started it over something small like publicly using or buying/selling drugs
When was this cause I remember people smoking weed on the beach in 99 or smoking walking down the street
This ain't it, either.
And what time period was this? Asking for a time traveling friend.
I’d like to know too. Was the glory days back in the 1980s? back during the cocaine cowboy days? Back when something like 10% of Miami Police Department was fired or suspended because of drug scandals? The glory days of when Miami cops rolled up on drug smugglers, executed them, and stole the cocaine for themselves? Those glory days?
Or maybe the more recent glory days where they got into shootouts in the middle of busy intersections with civilians caught in the crossfire, then they went around confiscating/destroying the phones of anyone who took a video.
1950s
Ah yes, Jim Crow Sundown town Miami Beach was the “glory days” 😒
I am just waiting for DeSantis to call this woke and remove Miami Beach's incorporation status cause that is what he's on right now
Maybe we can enact positive change if we can convince DeSantis that organizations such as homeowner's insurance companies are "woke".
>These may all be "minor" infractions but if Miami Beach wants to get a handle on spring break I think they should be really strict about enforcing as much as they can. I can't speak to Miami, but sometimes this has way of escalating things or police targets certain people only. Of course, a fair enforcement would be best for everyone.
Sounds like a call for funding the police to me. I am all for it!
It’s really simple, just close the fucking beach down. I don’t care if the troublemakers are locals or not, the point is that these “spring breakers” come to the beach and do nothing but wreak havoc. I can promise you half of those “spring breakers” don’t even work (unless you count selling ass and selling grass as work), let alone go to school. Every year is the same goddamn story and the local government does absolutely nothing until someone gets shot up.
Sounds like you should move to the suburbs.
Sounds like you have low standards for who you want to live around.
I don’t live in places known for tourism then act surprised when tourists act up. If I want the calmness of the suburbs I move to the burbs, which i did. Spring break hasn’t been a new issue for Miami Beach
You're joking. Those aren't tourists, they are local criminals. Those are your neighbors. I'll bet they mostly live within 50 miles of South Beach. Tourists come from places that experience winter and want to go somewhere warm. At best, the dirt bags I saw could be called visitors. You seem to have a very elevated perception of South Beach. Again, this is the first time I've been there in a long time, and it used to be nice. But it's not nice now. Here's an indicator for you, every place I went into built a 20% tip into the goddamn bill. That has to be because people are just too shitty to not tip the servers. I have not been anywhere in this country, or other countries for that matter, and have that happen. What does that say about the people that live in a place who won't tip the people that serve them?
The last time I visited was 2018 but servers there told me it was primarily due to Europeans not tipping that they all did that over.
There are tourist areas where tourists are not shooting others. Tourism doesn’t mean we have to accept this.
I mean I agree but we live in Florida. Guns everywhere seems to be the will of most Floridians unfortunately
Facial recognition software with cameras on light posts / near major intersections / lifeguard stations, allowed to be used by police in the event of a suspected crime like the one of those people wrecking the inside of a store that was posted here yesterday. ID suspects. Round up. Heavy penalties include forfeiture of assets to pay fines and jail time with no bail. Keep upping the penalties until it sinks in that crime isn't tolerated. This isn't rocket science.
this would be a dystopian world man
Only for criminals. I'm not talking about predicting crimes and locking them up proactively, Just evidence gathering *after* it happened. Unless their business is criminal, I'm not sure who would have an issue with this. Easy not to run astray, just don't commit crimes.
giving the people who consistently violate our constitutional rights access to facial recognition software is a horrific idea.
Oh well, let's just ignore crimes when there is evidence of it having happened. That will help us. 2019, er.....2010, err... 2008 called. It wants its bad theories back.
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In the near future? My friend, go out into the world and do some crazy shit - you will be filmed, posted online, doxxed, your company will be contacted and you will lose your job. The future is now.
No. We won't. America is too polarized. And in this respect, its a good thing. What we shouldn't be polarized about is passive mechanisms to collect evidence of crime, where we know they were already committed.
Just got here , too many comments but all am saying is start carrying , better then nothing
I’d suggest law enforcement but I’m told cops r baddies.
National gaurd with guns every 25 ft
Miami Beach brought this on itself. The tacit and overt racism against Black travelers by residents, businesses, and authorities alike led to tension against the police in the city. Each year, they use racial dog whistles and encourage the most confrontational and defiant among Black spring breakers to descend upon the city. I enjoy seeing the city struggle like this, tbh. The way to deal with the issue is to provide several activities for travelers, offer free amenities, and to advertise to a more educated Black clientele to fill up the rooms.
In the country every time things would get out of control they would bring the fucking army with tanks and armored cars to the streets. It was pretty effective.
This is everyday regardless of spring break lol
classic pigs, collecting tax payer money to eat donuts.