My dad already pulled the "Trump was at the picket line with the UAW workers while Biden was sleeping at his desk" narrative. I'm not sure what reality he's currently in.
> did you tell him he hasn’t even stepped foot here?
His response is "I saw the footage on !"
That's his fallback whenever any of these weird claims that never happened is challenged.
Dang you actually got a response?! I can't ever get a response as to what news they watch that's "real" one said that he couldn't give up the site because "tHe fEdS aRe WaTcHiNg ThEm"....😒😂😂
Sounds like my mom. The only contact we have is when she sends me misinformation links and I reply with a fact check. She says the fact check sites are wrong.. because reasons. After trump, she also got deep into flat earth, anti vac and apparently the moon is made of plasma and we never landed on it.... true qcumber behavior.
Oh no! My mom was like that. I was relieved when she died. No good comes from that mindset and it’s incredibly hard to change their minds. I was not successful and it is difficult to live with.
Is it horrible that I'm *glad* my mom died in 2015. She'd be sucked right in. It was hard enough for me and hospice nurses to get her to take the meds literally keeping her alive. She'd find side effects from online places and scare herself.
The only reason I'm vaccinated is because of school. She didn't think they'd hurt us exactly, but she was weird about it.
Im happy I didn't lose her to that cult all the way. I lost every single one of my other family members.
This is the most painful outcome of the last decade of division. People we loved and admired were so easily altered by misinformation, it breaks your heart that someone you thought of as intelligent or stable so easily go off the deep end. I watched my dad turn crazy and he died with that mindset.
There's a theory that the generation that grew up eating lead paint chips and handling leaded gasoline just lost too many IQ points as they got older.
It's just wild that these were the same parents who told us not to believe everything we read on the internet, and in their sunset years they 100% believed everything they read on the internet
Or that Biden [literally became the first sitting President to join a picket line yesterday](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/26/biden-joins-uaw-strike-update-detroit)?
Of course he did - Major photo opportunity there.
Where was he prior to the cameras and an opportunity to imply he's doing something to help the union workers?
Where was he prior to the union striking, for that matter? This has been looming for awhile but he just sat there pushing his electric car agenda, which is partially at fault for the issues the workers face now
He's not as blatant about it, but he's not a friend of the auto worker either, in my opinion. He's just trying to score some brownies since his numbers are so low.
He sees workers as his constituency and he's courting them for votes. All the cable news networks carried Sean Fain live giving a 5-minute speech promoting unionization and solidarity among the working class because Biden was there. I don't care what's in Biden's heart, I care about the results of his actions as president. This was unequivocally good.
No, if that was the case he wouldn't be trying to appeal to unions. Getting votes is not only a function of ideology but also reliability of actually voting. If the left votes 95% for Biden but their turnout drops 10% he probably loses the election. I think him being on the picket line is a sign he's not taking us for granted. More than needing their votes he needs their energy behind his campaign. That's why I'm glad UAW is withholding their endorsement too. Make him work for it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the timeline of events.
There has been a gradual shift towards EVs over the last 2 decades. The big 3 have been outsourcing factories during this time overseas to reduce overhead. The Biden administration gives the big 3 $$$ to invest in production of EV related facilities. The big 3 chose to move shops to the south rather than renovating existing factories in the Midwest to avoid UAW membership. The UAW is picketing as they don't think this is fair.
Biden helped out the Rail guys while avoiding a major shutdown. There have been a shitton of strikes this year, clearly unions feel this is a favorable climate for them. I know Biden doesn't get all of that credit, but he gets some.
At the end of the day though you're right it's politics. But he seems to be getting shit done, and the alternative does not.
EV's are a main point of contention in this contract negotiation because they require less parts. Less parts means less jobs. What's critical is that the transition is fair and equitable.
I never stated they're the cause of the strike.
Based on what's been pointed out by the union and by those in the know, electric cars have fewer parts and require less work/maintenance, not to mention the competition from Tesla and other non-union manufacturers.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-m&sca_esv=568933252&sxsrf=AM9HkKl5qgPrgdpncZDAV2eLAGgwt52HdA%3A1695846951106&q=uaw+strike+electric+vehicles&oq=uaw+strike+electric+vehicles&aqs=heirloom-srp..
You're welcome!
did you really just link me to a google search of "uaw strike electric vehicles" as proof?
edit: https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2023/09/electric-vehicles-are-the-elephant-at-the-uaw-bargaining-table.html?outputType=amp here i found an actual article. sounds like evs require 40% less manpower to produce, which is why job security is a part of the strike. 5% of production cost of a vehicle is labor costs, which means at current labor costs $2500 on a $50k vehicle. should striking workers secure their 40% increase in pay, along with full job security, this would translate to a $1000 increase in the price of a $50k car. Ford's average EV base sticker price is $34,624, vs Tesla's average base sticker price of $61,427. still far more reasonable than non-union Tesla. but realistically, the automakers do not need to lay off workers at all. they could easily use the surplus workers to produce *more vehicles*, reducing the cost of the vehicle and offsetting the increased labor costs. pretty weak argument imo, but it is an argument.
I didn't want to get into an argument on this, and perhaps naively I thought you're looking for one.
There are many reasons being discussed for the impact of EV vehicles, and there are many viewpoints.
In brief, EV's are upending the established industry and impacting the amount of labor needed, and the types of labor needed. The UAW is trying to get ahead of this in a way that benefits workers in the long run.
At the same time, Biden is pushing EV's on a public that clearly is not interested, while penalizing those that cannot afford them and manufacturers who don't want to build them.
It's a huge cluster and the auto workers are caught in the middle.
There... the Google search was the wrong response.
you realize its not "bidens push for EVs" right? its a global thing? the EU banned internal combustion engine production starting in 2030. EV's are the future, whether you like it or not. it really doesnt matter if the public is interested or not, because there is no other choice. weve known about climate change for nearly 50 years. [even oil companies](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exxon-projects-oil-gas-be-54-worlds-energy-needs-2050-2023-08-28/) say we wont limit warming to 2.0c, theres not really a leg to stand on with this argument. passenger automobile transportation accounts for [16%](https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport#:~:text=Since%20the%20entire%20transport%20sector,of%20total%20CO2%20emissions) of global emissions.
but for the sake of argument, low interest in EV's is [largely due](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/04/11/nearly-half-of-americans-say-its-unlikely-theyll-buy-an-ev-next-poll.html) to battery limitations and charging infrastructure anyways, which is fairly easily remedied by just installing more... and batteries are constantly improving, John Goodenough (the guy who invented lithium ion) won a nobel just a few years ago for his work in [solid state batteries](https://www.motortrend.com/features/solid-state-ev-car-batteries-challenges/amp/) - which provide three times the energy density in roughly 1/4 of the time for a full charge (10-15 minutes per battery). essentially it would triple the distance an ev can go on a single charge by allowing three batteries of modern equivalent for the weight and space of one, and still charge in less time than modern batteries. basically, drive 500-750 miles then stop for a bite to eat while your car charges and drive another 500-750 miles. thats 6.25 hours between charges at 80mph, i think a meal is appropriate at that point. and with solid state batteries, youre also not dealing with liquid electrolytes either - which improve the batteries performance in extreme temperatures, ([(down to -60 degrees)](https://ts2.space/en/how-do-solid-state-batteries-perform-in-cold-temperatures/#:~:text=Recent%20research%20and%20development%20in,down%20to%20%2D60%20degrees%20Celsius) and reduce the risk of fire from overheating. no more low milage on cold days, and fewer tesla fires.
demand for vehicles in the united states in 2019 was [17m units](https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/salesfig_usa_2019#:~:text=Total%202019%20full%2Dyear%20sales,to%204%2C813%2C233%20units%20for%202019), in 2023 theyre projected to be [13.9m units](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/01/06/2022-us-auto-sales-are-worst-in-more-than-a-decade-.html). a decrease of about 22%. in that time, average vehicle cost has increased from [$38k](https://mediaroom.kbb.com/2020-01-03-Average-New-Vehicle-Prices-Up-Nearly-2-Year-Over-Year-in-December-2019-According-to-Kelley-Blue-Book#:~:text=3%2C%202020%20%2FPRNewswire%2F%20%2D%2D,was%20%2438%2C948%20in%20December%202019) to [48k](https://www.moneygeek.com/insurance/auto/average-price-of-a-new-car/#:~:text=Featured%20Experts,-Explore%20Expert%20Insight&text=Data%20from%20Kelley%20Blue%20Book,in%20the%20last%2012%20months). if you really want to look at where that 26% increase in price over three years comes from, how about trump
[increasing the cost](https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-turns-away-challenge-trumps-tariffs-steel-imports-2023-03-27/) of manufactured steel from china up to 25% and aluminum 10%? that has a direct impact on the bottom line of vehicle production. it seems pretty obvious to me, with a 26% increase in cost & proportional 22% decrease in demand, that if we built more cars to drive the price down then more people would be willing to buy cars. its proven there is demand for 17m cars, so why arent they selling 17m? covid happened, sure, but most people are still unable to rely on public transportation for errands (what with the terrible public transport most cities have). that demand didnt totally disappear just because people briefly had to stop going into work everyday.
i guess sorry to all the parts suppliers, such as transmission manufacturers, who failed to diversify before the inevitable change? but they arent UAW workers and theyre no longer necessary in the world of EV's. industries rise, and industries fall. you dont see anyone crying because all the workers at blockbuster were out of a job when on-demand/streaming took over.
There's a big mixture of opinion and fact in that response. While your opinion on what's appropriate for others seems condescending to me (who are you to state that because you feel enough times posted that a meal is appropriate? That waiting for a charge is an inconvenience that others should be able to live with because you can?), it also ignores that the large portions of the public are not interested.
Ford pausing their battery plant to gauge market interest says a lot!
I can't charge any electric vehicle without a major infrastructure upgrade at my house. Conversely, I can buy a gallon of gas at over a dozen locations within a mile of me.
If I spend the money for that infrastructure upgrade, and want to drive 300 miles to a cabin in the UP, I'm basically fucked as far as charging goes, both on the trip up, and once I'm there.
Lots of motor trend writers have noted this. You have to plan well on long trips so that you have a charger to use, and you'll lose hours, if not days waiting for them. Add to that, many of the remote chargers run off diesel...
If I want to go off road while in the UP, I'm either driving a gas vehicle or spending tens of thousands more for a capable EV, which still doesn't solve my charging issues.
I could go on, but there's lots of debate about this kinda stuff on the Internet already if you want to see what others are saying.
And don't write off Toyota and hydrogen. I've seen a lot of compelling info on retrofitting the existing petrol industry for hydrogen distribution vs the cost of building all new infrastructure, which is what's needed for EV.
Just because some want EV's in their future is no reason to force them on those who don't. Not at this point in time, and not in this economy.
It's part of the GOP's weird narrative that the strike is about 'environmental regulation burden' instead of... more money, like the workers are literally saying.
My dad said there was video of Kamala saying she wanted to "abort babies up to 6 weeks post-birth".
Of course, he couldn't provide the video, but the MAGA husband of my step-sister told him as much. So he voted Trump in 2020. After saying Bernie was our only hope in 2016.
For being the generation of "trust nothing you hear, half of what you see" they certainly trust everything they hear.
That's literally how Terry Moran reported it on ABC, well not the Biden asleep stuff, but he said Trump was meeting 'with UNIONS,' at a non-union plant -- it made no sense, but I don't think networks even care anymore.
Your right…but this is being said by union leaders everywhere because the rank and file has way too many Fox News watching morons that eat up trumps rhetoric and they are trying to show them they need to open up their eyes to facts. Turn off the tv, radio and Facebook and check with real leaders and ask them for these facts. It’s out there. We need to help turn these members brains back on and remind them reality is here.
Congress passed a resolution making it illegal to strike, however the Biden Administration still pressured the railroad companies and the Unions got the sick days they were striking for. Remember, 8 of the 12 Union groups were for the proposed contract but 4 were still holding out. Biden kept the rail workers from striking for the betterment of the country overall but also kept fighting for the Unions themselves.
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
No, trains are considered a national security issue, which is why they are singled out. They have legislation governing them that is 100 years old.
Cars manufacturing, while important and impactful, is not the same.
Strange. Im a 30 year union member who also sees how corrupt a union can become first hand yet am a vehement supporter of unions, just not my shitty local.
>where I wished we could unionize but it's just not how things work in my industry.
There's rumblings where that can change. Without going into detail, I'm in IT and we were looking into it, but our chosen union said they weren't interested.
I did find a union specific to IT, but the others were more "this union or no union" for reasons.
There’s a complete opposite reality for a large segment of the population who watch “faux news” & FB & Twitter BS. We probably all have those family members. They also tend to be the types that are incapable of critical thinking. That’s his base & he’s the best president ever & fights for the little guy as far as they’re told. I see he’s going to a non union auto parts plant that will be filled with Maga backers. They will truly believe that’s all legit & these workers love him & he fights for them. It’s sad.
Media likes him because he brings in hate watchers and rage clicks. Conservatives vote for him because they're just in too deep at this point, so the sunken cost fallacy has taken hold and they're just stuck. Also racism.
Off topic but I'm really curious to see what happens when Trump dies. I mean, he's got like...what? a decade left, tops? The GOP has twisted their identity to the point where Trump basically **is** the party, so what happens when he's inevitably gone?
its really discouraging. we're far past the point where anyone with two brain cells to rub together should have seen what he is, which means the people still rolling with team trump are into it.
thats why I'm not particularly sympathetic to them anymore. they're fascists and I haven't forgotten how that works.
It was a direct threat to Michigan... vote for me or I'll destroy you.
>"Oh, you better get out there and vote tomorrow, or I will be so angry. I'll never come back to Michigan. I'll never come back. I'll tell Japan to bring all those plants the hell back." -[source](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-michigan-never-come-back-if-state-votes-for-biden-2020-11)
No, 'in his mind,' he doesn't believe certain people's votes should count (like me, my mom, brother, etc.) so he's literally not counting those, and by that score, he feels he wins.
They are legally required to play the ads as long as the candidate is able to run. Per the FCC, stations can't choose what candidates can run ads on their stations.
Because running political candidates’ ads is a condition of being licensed to use the public’s airwaves, [per FCC rules](https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/political_programming_fact_sheet.pdf).
At the cost of viewers turning off the station?
You are losing ad revenue from other advertisers by taking money from politicians because viewership will be impacted and thus advertisers will see this.
Nah. Its probably more simple than that. Audacy negotiated a contract with these parties at the cost of some of their product.
Audacy does more than just sports radio so it makes sense for the other products...just not so much for sports radio.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacy
It's even more simple, they can't say no
[One major amendment to the Communications Act of 1934 was made on September 7, 1999. The FCC ruled "that a broadcast station should not be allowed to refuse a request for political advertising... "](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Act_of_1934)
Just keep in mind that by law the stations are not able to pick and choose what political ads they play, if the ad is paid for they do not have a choice.
Trump is for whatever serves his current purposes. Once it no longer does... see ya!
As long as he's not in jail, he'll keep being the same exact POS he always has been .
> As long as he's not in jail, he'll keep being the same exact POS he always has been
There is no reason to believe jail would lead to him being any less of a POS. We just won't have to hear about it as often.
I agree. If he thinks you can do something for him he'll play ball with just about anyone. The only color he cares about is green. Doesn't matter about race, political affiliation, gender, religious beliefs, innocence or guilty convictions etc. The thing that Trump hates the most are poor people.
Just look at his friends like Elon who like to bust union development within his companies. You would think someone who supports unions would have a problem with business owners who practice these acts. Wonder if one could get him to admit his support of punishing those who would actively break the law and make such acts incredibly painful for the company and its upper management if found engaging in such acts. But that would mean Turing away donors and powerful supporters.
This is correct. Trump **does not** show up for union workers, but you bet your ass an overwhelming majority show up for him. Get rid of the (R) and you would be amazed how many supporters Trump loses. Our country is dangerously dumb.
From the Free Press
- Allowed Employers to Not Pay Overtime - Trump rolled back Obama-era protections that would have extended time-and-half overtime pay to millions more workers.
- Maintained 14+ YO Minimum Wage - He didn’t lift a finger to raise the federal minimum wage, which has remained at a low $7.25 an hour since 2009.
- Safety at Workplaces Reduced - His administration pushed to ease safety requirements for oil rig workers and relax rules for safety inspections in coal mines.
- Worker and Farm Safety Eliminated - Trump also eliminated the ban on a toxic pesticide, chlorpyrifos, that causes acute reactions in farmworkers and does nerve damage to children.
Happy to hear this said aloud by the AFL-CIO because this needs to be said often to the union members who have voted for Trump in the past and may consider doing so again in the future.
He showed up for himself and anyone who believes differently is ill advised. Historically he gives no fvcks about unions. Past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior
"He only came after I announced that I would be here. He announced quite a bit later, spoke for a few seconds ... and he had absolutely no idea what he was saying. He didn't know where he was, he didn't know what he was saying, 'Where am I? Where am I?' he's saying. 'Oh you're in Michigan.' 'What do they do in Michigan?' 'They grow weed in Michigan,' he said.
Donald trump quote from his “speech”
I love it when people try to hold Trump to his word, he is a cowardly liar, slumlord, racist, and outright fascist draft-dodger.
I understand the conscientious objectors, but the rich cowardly warmongers like Trump, Biden, W, and Clinton should all be in prison.
[Just remember that they only pretend to support the working class.](https://preview.redd.it/fhbsvf7y9mqb1.jpg?auto=webp&s=efccf2590e32ab97059e650bdbb4e8ba747034f6)
Bad situation all around. Biden and the Dems support the auto workers to the point of bailing them out.
Republicans have spent the last decade plus busting unions..
Then the auto workers repay the Dems by voting Republican.
My wife said that plant Trump is visiting is run so incompetently that they damn near shut down her company multiple times per week. They couldn’t get any of their parts out on time. They couldn’t even tell you when their employees would show up again to produce whatever it was they were being paid to produce. They also didn’t seem to care. It’s hilarious he picked that shithole plant to visit.
Before I finally had to mute the True Unpopular Opinion sub, there were a lot of posts from people complaining about how liberal all of the subs are. r/conservative and a couple of other places were the only right wing subs drawing any traffic. There were also a lot of right wing complaints about the posts in r/newsofthestupid
Not to be mean or anything, but the afl-cio always backs democrats no matter what. They get government money they really don't give a shit either way, just another million dollar organization that doesn't do shit.
I'm just sick of both of them. Trump all talk and bellyaching, and Biden can't remember if he is coming or going. We don't need either of them screwing our country up anymore.
Shall we talk about the thousands of illegals coming across our open southern borders or the amount of drugs entering our country? How about the cost of everything.
[You mean like this?](https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/09/20/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-takes-new-actions-increase-border)
Also, it's not like they haven't been doing anything other than that. That's a position based on lies.
I don't think you pay attention to politics at all if you think JB hasn't done anything. You sound like a Defendant Trump supporter, you pick and choose info to suit your needs. Google his accomplishments for the last year alone.
Alright, then what would you do to stop the supposed flood of migrants crossing the southern US border directly into Michigan?
And what about these drugs? I've been hearing stories of a major drug crisis in this country yet I haven't seen a single pill, syringe or whatever anywhere in my neighborhood. I'm trying to be patient but I'm starting to get annoyed; either start cutting me in the loop or shut the hell about about mystery drugs.
1) You can see from CBP’s own statistics that enforcement is up every year that Biden has been President. This means one of two things: a) that there has just been a massive increase of people trying to enter the country since he took office (not sure how he would get the blame for that), or b) that CBP is more effective at stopping illegals since Joe became President, which could be his fault. In either event, enforcement is up ( a good thing according to what I infer from your comment), or just because there’s more people (again not the President’s fault), but the result is that CBP seems pretty damn effective at their job. So I’m not seeing an increase in illegal aliens, just an increase in enforcement against illegal aliens. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics
2) Drug busts at our southern border are at an an all-time high, most of it being an increase in fentanyl which comes from China via Mexican drug cartels. Again, either drug trafficking has increased (again, not the President’s fault -that would be the drug cartels), but seizure and enforcement is also up! Which again, is a good thing. Could more be done? Maybe. I’m not a drug enforcement expert after all. Here’s a link again to official numbers. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/fentanyl-seizures-border-continue-spike-making-san-diego-national-epicenter-fentanyl
Record breaking seizure: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/fentanyl-seizures-border-continue-spike-making-san-diego-national-epicenter-fentanyl
Record breaking seizures in 2021 (Biden’s first year as President): https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/fentanyl-seizures-border-continue-spike-making-san-diego-national-epicenter-fentanyl
Also, a whopping 86% of all fentanyl trafficking convictions was for US CITIZENS! Not illegals (of which, only .02% were found to be carrying illegal drugs. So no connection between illegal immigrants and drugs, and enforcement against those two is up since Biden became President, which again, inferring from your comment, is a good thing. https://www.thirdway.org/memo/the-truth-about-fentanyl-trafficking
3) There’s a lot of reasons why inflation is out of control. Most experts believe it started because of an increase in demand with a corresponding decrease in supply that occurred because of the pandemic. (Should we talk about Presidential performance in regards to the pandemic? Because I could go on about the comparison of our last 2 Presidents). https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/08/10/inflation-falling-prices-gas-groceries/#
But then, as people went back to work, a strange thing happened. While the supply Chain recovered and supply began to meet or exceed demand, prices did not fall. Instead, profits went up and prices continued to rise. Profits are good if you own the company or are a stockholder. But what if you’re a worker? And your pay doesn’t rise? Prices go up, profits go up, but you can afford less. So companies are basically price gouging YOU to make more money. So what does that have to do with the President? Not a damn thing. However, President Biden did make it so that the spiraling cost of medicines was checked, which is great for people with low and fixed incomes who need these medicines (e.g. insulin).
https://www.epi.org/blog/even-with-todays-slowdown-profit-growth-remains-a-big-driver-of-inflation-in-recent-years-corporate-profits-have-contributed-to-more-than-a-third-of-price-growth/
Hope that answers your questions!
We saw it, it's just no one believes you. It's a feigned since of "both sides" that really is just softening the blow before you spew fox news talking points.
> I spend more for gas, for food, for energy. Spending more over the last 3 years is not better..
I thought it was the "thousands of illegals" or did the evidence change those goal posts?
How is the President responsible for inflation of prices, please explain.
Put that blame on Putin, then. Because, unless we wanted to let him run roughshod over all of Europe, we were all going to pay more for things. As it stands, we're getting a hell of a deal for keeping Putin contained in far eastern Europe.
You know Biden is only 3 years older than Trump? He is also in incredible shape. Biden has had a stutter since childhood but now that he’s old, people attack him for the only thing he is unable to control, his age.
He has been a very effective leader. Trump was a dud.
Biden and Trump both are calling the auto CEOs and privately telling them they don’t agree with the strike but have to show up and meet them for political points, at least according to Ford corporate in company meetings.
And remember just a few months ago when Biden forced the rail workers to agree to a plan that did nothing to actually address their grievances? Those people have it way worse than the auto workers (not to say UAW claims are not legitimate).
Neither are actually pro-worker.
I’ve already posted this above but while Biden signed Congress’s action stopping the Railroad strike, the Biden Administration never stopped working to help the Railroad Unions. You don’t have to believe me, the Union said it themselves:
“We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.”
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
the whole "Biden hates workers bc the railroads" thing needs to be checked.
rail line continuity is a *national security* issue. Biden, nor any other responsible president can allow shutdowns of that sort. whether we like it or not, there are a few industries where strike-style labor negotiation is not an acceptable option for greater society.
Four paid sick days and no real changes to their grievances on safety and scheduling of the workers and trains in general.
Biden had the opportunity to force actual change in the rail industry. Which would get more trucks off the road, be more environmentally friendly, and improve workers lives but instead he forced and end to the strike which addressed very little of the actual issue and basically sided with the status quo the big rail companies.
Didn't they just announce a huge train infrastructure project?
https://apnews.com/article/biden-rail-safety-infrastructure-buttigieg-9a7ff416e41d531dfb996d332a1ba146
Yes to repair existing rail lines, not to force the rail companies to act more safely or change their terrible operating system which results in most of the problems.
That’s a weird thing to publicly admit . Did they happen to go into specifics ? Or was it just a simple “ both presumptive presidential candidates agree with us . Feel free to post this on social media.” ?
So they got four paid sick days, but nothing noted about the insane hours, on-call scheduling, safety issues, constant pressure to switch to one man crews by the companies, or any real changes to the precision scheduling railway system that’s causing all the issues.
For real, i think the sick days are nice and all, but its the idea that the person controlling the multi-thousand ton load of hazardous chemicals crusing through my neighborhood on the 12th+ hour of there shift having worked for a week straight is FAR more concerning to me. No way that person is running at there best.
Exactly, the rail companies do not run their companies in a safe manner and the hours and scheduling issues are more than getting four sick days can fix
The railroads shutting down would be devastating for the entire county. Framing Biden as anti-union for his actions during the threats of a rail strike is just pure ignorance.
\>The railroads shutting down would be devastating for the ~~entire county~~ rich.
Fix that for you. But seriously, that is why strikes work. If it didn't put pressure on ownership, not just from workers but from other businesses and the government, what would be the point? Devastating an 'economy' that only serves to make the rich richer sounds like a pretty good idea to me.
Rail companies don't "insanely abuse" their workers. The biggest complaint from the workers was the lack of paid sick time and that's exactly what they got as a result.
And the insane schedules, mandatory overtime, and constant short staffing which Biden didn't address at all. Honestly the short staffing and extremely long shifts SHOULD be concerning to all of us and should be considered a national public safety issue, but lets just focus on the couple of sick days.
How is being pro worker a conservative value? Yes people always complain about work, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t legitimate reasons to strike.
It’s not Biden’s fault, he just chose to not fix it. Trump is no better because this has been an issue since conrail days and he didn’t fix it either. It’s not a left or right political issue, it’s a workers rights issue.
Allowing this only due to claims it was from FORD, but still very dubious without links. I find it hard to believe that the Union would not add strike locations to Ford as they were bargaining in good faith, but then Ford actually made these statements.
Do you genuinely believe that a career C-Suite wouldn't say something not entirely true? Does he have documented proof? I've seen actual video of what Biden has said.
As always, follow the money.
A career politician playing both sides? Its possible.
Believing anything a corporate executive from Ford says to be the truth? That's simping for Corporations and shows you're the clown. Projextion much?
Your boots are in the mail. Give emna good tongue bath when they arrive.
I think it is true what he said about electric vehicles though.
And Biden is booting Americans from nursing homes to make room for migrants.
Pretty sure Trump is a better choice. Down vote away.
This country was a much better place to live under Trump.
And RFK Jr is not going to make it....Biden wants war with China so much he drools
Thinking about it.
This speech tonight was impressive. I am actually considering Trump
for the first time.
Trump is a self-serving populist bullshitter that says things that his electorate wants to hear. I don't think he really believes in anything.
But the Democrats have effectively given up on the blue collar middle class decades ago. A large part of my extended family, especially on my wife's side, are the stereotypical "Limousine Democrats" and they can hardly hide their disdain for these people. To them, they are ignorant hicks whose jobs and very lifestyles are thing of the past, because " the post-industrial society doesn't need them" and "manufacturing is an obsolete field, all it does it pollute the environment, and the sooner it disappears from this country the better off we are" (literal quotes). Some of them are finally starting to realize that we can't survive as a country if we are dependent on others for manufacturing (thanks to the latest spat with China) but they still think that a typical Rust Belt worker is a toothless, pickup driving hick with a MAGA hat hidden somewhere.
The simple truth is, the Rust Belt has no representation in modern American politics.
Why would I listen to the AFL CIO I was a card carrying member of the AFL CIO in the 90s as an operator and when my grandfather's company closed to do to his death the union did Jack shit to keep me in the trade. You have your opinion I have my experience shut the fuck up.
My dad already pulled the "Trump was at the picket line with the UAW workers while Biden was sleeping at his desk" narrative. I'm not sure what reality he's currently in.
did you tell him he hasn’t even stepped foot here? tell him he’s going to a non-union plan. That made me chuckle.
> did you tell him he hasn’t even stepped foot here? His response is "I saw the footage on!"
That's his fallback whenever any of these weird claims that never happened is challenged.
Dang you actually got a response?! I can't ever get a response as to what news they watch that's "real" one said that he couldn't give up the site because "tHe fEdS aRe WaTcHiNg ThEm"....😒😂😂
Sounds like my mom. The only contact we have is when she sends me misinformation links and I reply with a fact check. She says the fact check sites are wrong.. because reasons. After trump, she also got deep into flat earth, anti vac and apparently the moon is made of plasma and we never landed on it.... true qcumber behavior.
Oh no! My mom was like that. I was relieved when she died. No good comes from that mindset and it’s incredibly hard to change their minds. I was not successful and it is difficult to live with.
It saddens me to know that orange shit-gibbon has actually cost people their loved ones😒.
Is it horrible that I'm *glad* my mom died in 2015. She'd be sucked right in. It was hard enough for me and hospice nurses to get her to take the meds literally keeping her alive. She'd find side effects from online places and scare herself. The only reason I'm vaccinated is because of school. She didn't think they'd hurt us exactly, but she was weird about it. Im happy I didn't lose her to that cult all the way. I lost every single one of my other family members.
The feds are watching all of us… do you not know of the patriot act ? 🤔🤔
He sounds like an idiot.
He used to not be. That's what makes this all so frustrating.
This is the most painful outcome of the last decade of division. People we loved and admired were so easily altered by misinformation, it breaks your heart that someone you thought of as intelligent or stable so easily go off the deep end. I watched my dad turn crazy and he died with that mindset.
There's a theory that the generation that grew up eating lead paint chips and handling leaded gasoline just lost too many IQ points as they got older. It's just wild that these were the same parents who told us not to believe everything we read on the internet, and in their sunset years they 100% believed everything they read on the internet
Haha, so Sky News. Fox with accents.
Or that Biden [literally became the first sitting President to join a picket line yesterday](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/26/biden-joins-uaw-strike-update-detroit)?
Of course he did - Major photo opportunity there. Where was he prior to the cameras and an opportunity to imply he's doing something to help the union workers? Where was he prior to the union striking, for that matter? This has been looming for awhile but he just sat there pushing his electric car agenda, which is partially at fault for the issues the workers face now He's not as blatant about it, but he's not a friend of the auto worker either, in my opinion. He's just trying to score some brownies since his numbers are so low.
He sees workers as his constituency and he's courting them for votes. All the cable news networks carried Sean Fain live giving a 5-minute speech promoting unionization and solidarity among the working class because Biden was there. I don't care what's in Biden's heart, I care about the results of his actions as president. This was unequivocally good.
Biden is smart, he knows anybody that leans left will vote for him this election, his only goal now is to sway people leaning on the fence
No, if that was the case he wouldn't be trying to appeal to unions. Getting votes is not only a function of ideology but also reliability of actually voting. If the left votes 95% for Biden but their turnout drops 10% he probably loses the election. I think him being on the picket line is a sign he's not taking us for granted. More than needing their votes he needs their energy behind his campaign. That's why I'm glad UAW is withholding their endorsement too. Make him work for it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the timeline of events. There has been a gradual shift towards EVs over the last 2 decades. The big 3 have been outsourcing factories during this time overseas to reduce overhead. The Biden administration gives the big 3 $$$ to invest in production of EV related facilities. The big 3 chose to move shops to the south rather than renovating existing factories in the Midwest to avoid UAW membership. The UAW is picketing as they don't think this is fair. Biden helped out the Rail guys while avoiding a major shutdown. There have been a shitton of strikes this year, clearly unions feel this is a favorable climate for them. I know Biden doesn't get all of that credit, but he gets some. At the end of the day though you're right it's politics. But he seems to be getting shit done, and the alternative does not.
how exactly are electric cars at fault for the strike
EV's are a main point of contention in this contract negotiation because they require less parts. Less parts means less jobs. What's critical is that the transition is fair and equitable.
I never stated they're the cause of the strike. Based on what's been pointed out by the union and by those in the know, electric cars have fewer parts and require less work/maintenance, not to mention the competition from Tesla and other non-union manufacturers. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-m&sca_esv=568933252&sxsrf=AM9HkKl5qgPrgdpncZDAV2eLAGgwt52HdA%3A1695846951106&q=uaw+strike+electric+vehicles&oq=uaw+strike+electric+vehicles&aqs=heirloom-srp.. You're welcome!
did you really just link me to a google search of "uaw strike electric vehicles" as proof? edit: https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2023/09/electric-vehicles-are-the-elephant-at-the-uaw-bargaining-table.html?outputType=amp here i found an actual article. sounds like evs require 40% less manpower to produce, which is why job security is a part of the strike. 5% of production cost of a vehicle is labor costs, which means at current labor costs $2500 on a $50k vehicle. should striking workers secure their 40% increase in pay, along with full job security, this would translate to a $1000 increase in the price of a $50k car. Ford's average EV base sticker price is $34,624, vs Tesla's average base sticker price of $61,427. still far more reasonable than non-union Tesla. but realistically, the automakers do not need to lay off workers at all. they could easily use the surplus workers to produce *more vehicles*, reducing the cost of the vehicle and offsetting the increased labor costs. pretty weak argument imo, but it is an argument.
LOL they came at you with a "You're welcome!" with so much confidence.
I didn't want to get into an argument on this, and perhaps naively I thought you're looking for one. There are many reasons being discussed for the impact of EV vehicles, and there are many viewpoints. In brief, EV's are upending the established industry and impacting the amount of labor needed, and the types of labor needed. The UAW is trying to get ahead of this in a way that benefits workers in the long run. At the same time, Biden is pushing EV's on a public that clearly is not interested, while penalizing those that cannot afford them and manufacturers who don't want to build them. It's a huge cluster and the auto workers are caught in the middle. There... the Google search was the wrong response.
you realize its not "bidens push for EVs" right? its a global thing? the EU banned internal combustion engine production starting in 2030. EV's are the future, whether you like it or not. it really doesnt matter if the public is interested or not, because there is no other choice. weve known about climate change for nearly 50 years. [even oil companies](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exxon-projects-oil-gas-be-54-worlds-energy-needs-2050-2023-08-28/) say we wont limit warming to 2.0c, theres not really a leg to stand on with this argument. passenger automobile transportation accounts for [16%](https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport#:~:text=Since%20the%20entire%20transport%20sector,of%20total%20CO2%20emissions) of global emissions. but for the sake of argument, low interest in EV's is [largely due](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/04/11/nearly-half-of-americans-say-its-unlikely-theyll-buy-an-ev-next-poll.html) to battery limitations and charging infrastructure anyways, which is fairly easily remedied by just installing more... and batteries are constantly improving, John Goodenough (the guy who invented lithium ion) won a nobel just a few years ago for his work in [solid state batteries](https://www.motortrend.com/features/solid-state-ev-car-batteries-challenges/amp/) - which provide three times the energy density in roughly 1/4 of the time for a full charge (10-15 minutes per battery). essentially it would triple the distance an ev can go on a single charge by allowing three batteries of modern equivalent for the weight and space of one, and still charge in less time than modern batteries. basically, drive 500-750 miles then stop for a bite to eat while your car charges and drive another 500-750 miles. thats 6.25 hours between charges at 80mph, i think a meal is appropriate at that point. and with solid state batteries, youre also not dealing with liquid electrolytes either - which improve the batteries performance in extreme temperatures, ([(down to -60 degrees)](https://ts2.space/en/how-do-solid-state-batteries-perform-in-cold-temperatures/#:~:text=Recent%20research%20and%20development%20in,down%20to%20%2D60%20degrees%20Celsius) and reduce the risk of fire from overheating. no more low milage on cold days, and fewer tesla fires. demand for vehicles in the united states in 2019 was [17m units](https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/salesfig_usa_2019#:~:text=Total%202019%20full%2Dyear%20sales,to%204%2C813%2C233%20units%20for%202019), in 2023 theyre projected to be [13.9m units](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/01/06/2022-us-auto-sales-are-worst-in-more-than-a-decade-.html). a decrease of about 22%. in that time, average vehicle cost has increased from [$38k](https://mediaroom.kbb.com/2020-01-03-Average-New-Vehicle-Prices-Up-Nearly-2-Year-Over-Year-in-December-2019-According-to-Kelley-Blue-Book#:~:text=3%2C%202020%20%2FPRNewswire%2F%20%2D%2D,was%20%2438%2C948%20in%20December%202019) to [48k](https://www.moneygeek.com/insurance/auto/average-price-of-a-new-car/#:~:text=Featured%20Experts,-Explore%20Expert%20Insight&text=Data%20from%20Kelley%20Blue%20Book,in%20the%20last%2012%20months). if you really want to look at where that 26% increase in price over three years comes from, how about trump [increasing the cost](https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-turns-away-challenge-trumps-tariffs-steel-imports-2023-03-27/) of manufactured steel from china up to 25% and aluminum 10%? that has a direct impact on the bottom line of vehicle production. it seems pretty obvious to me, with a 26% increase in cost & proportional 22% decrease in demand, that if we built more cars to drive the price down then more people would be willing to buy cars. its proven there is demand for 17m cars, so why arent they selling 17m? covid happened, sure, but most people are still unable to rely on public transportation for errands (what with the terrible public transport most cities have). that demand didnt totally disappear just because people briefly had to stop going into work everyday. i guess sorry to all the parts suppliers, such as transmission manufacturers, who failed to diversify before the inevitable change? but they arent UAW workers and theyre no longer necessary in the world of EV's. industries rise, and industries fall. you dont see anyone crying because all the workers at blockbuster were out of a job when on-demand/streaming took over.
There's a big mixture of opinion and fact in that response. While your opinion on what's appropriate for others seems condescending to me (who are you to state that because you feel enough times posted that a meal is appropriate? That waiting for a charge is an inconvenience that others should be able to live with because you can?), it also ignores that the large portions of the public are not interested. Ford pausing their battery plant to gauge market interest says a lot! I can't charge any electric vehicle without a major infrastructure upgrade at my house. Conversely, I can buy a gallon of gas at over a dozen locations within a mile of me. If I spend the money for that infrastructure upgrade, and want to drive 300 miles to a cabin in the UP, I'm basically fucked as far as charging goes, both on the trip up, and once I'm there. Lots of motor trend writers have noted this. You have to plan well on long trips so that you have a charger to use, and you'll lose hours, if not days waiting for them. Add to that, many of the remote chargers run off diesel... If I want to go off road while in the UP, I'm either driving a gas vehicle or spending tens of thousands more for a capable EV, which still doesn't solve my charging issues. I could go on, but there's lots of debate about this kinda stuff on the Internet already if you want to see what others are saying. And don't write off Toyota and hydrogen. I've seen a lot of compelling info on retrofitting the existing petrol industry for hydrogen distribution vs the cost of building all new infrastructure, which is what's needed for EV. Just because some want EV's in their future is no reason to force them on those who don't. Not at this point in time, and not in this economy.
And trump did what?
Probably filled his depends
Based on the pictures out there, that's definitely what he did! 😂
Wait, he’s going to a non-union plant? Lmao that’s so on brand it hurts
he is!!!
It's part of the GOP's weird narrative that the strike is about 'environmental regulation burden' instead of... more money, like the workers are literally saying.
Show me the photo, dad.
My dad said there was video of Kamala saying she wanted to "abort babies up to 6 weeks post-birth". Of course, he couldn't provide the video, but the MAGA husband of my step-sister told him as much. So he voted Trump in 2020. After saying Bernie was our only hope in 2016. For being the generation of "trust nothing you hear, half of what you see" they certainly trust everything they hear.
There never is any actual media to back up their claims.
If Republicans were actually smart they would be increasing their wages. Then they could afford DeepFake software and finally fix that.
tell him two words: "prove it". Or three: "what's your source" And show him a picture of BIDEN at the picket line.
This *triggers the shit* out of people like that.
r/QAnonCasualties
[Show your dad this](https://preview.redd.it/fhbsvf7y9mqb1.jpg?auto=webp&s=efccf2590e32ab97059e650bdbb4e8ba747034f6)
That's literally how Terry Moran reported it on ABC, well not the Biden asleep stuff, but he said Trump was meeting 'with UNIONS,' at a non-union plant -- it made no sense, but I don't think networks even care anymore.
response from Fain: https://youtu.be/0fVc8kmR3ds
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Your right…but this is being said by union leaders everywhere because the rank and file has way too many Fox News watching morons that eat up trumps rhetoric and they are trying to show them they need to open up their eyes to facts. Turn off the tv, radio and Facebook and check with real leaders and ask them for these facts. It’s out there. We need to help turn these members brains back on and remind them reality is here.
Rain itself isn't wet. Rain makes things become wet.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
And wetness is the essence...of beauty!
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Congress passed a resolution making it illegal to strike, however the Biden Administration still pressured the railroad companies and the Unions got the sick days they were striking for. Remember, 8 of the 12 Union groups were for the proposed contract but 4 were still holding out. Biden kept the rail workers from striking for the betterment of the country overall but also kept fighting for the Unions themselves. https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
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No, trains are considered a national security issue, which is why they are singled out. They have legislation governing them that is 100 years old. Cars manufacturing, while important and impactful, is not the same.
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Strange. Im a 30 year union member who also sees how corrupt a union can become first hand yet am a vehement supporter of unions, just not my shitty local.
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>where I wished we could unionize but it's just not how things work in my industry. There's rumblings where that can change. Without going into detail, I'm in IT and we were looking into it, but our chosen union said they weren't interested. I did find a union specific to IT, but the others were more "this union or no union" for reasons.
Remember when he said he would never come back if he lost? Just once I wish he would've kept his word.
I don't understand how everyone isn't just completely tired of him at this point.
He is exhausting. Just the sound of his voice is nails in my ears now.
Holy crap I don't get it either. It's beyond pathetic anymore.
Because he isn't shy about hating the same groups of people they hate.
Points!!!
they still see Trump as their best path to permanent minority rule
Hate loves hate
They not wrong about that.
They are not. GOTV Bring friends.
There’s a complete opposite reality for a large segment of the population who watch “faux news” & FB & Twitter BS. We probably all have those family members. They also tend to be the types that are incapable of critical thinking. That’s his base & he’s the best president ever & fights for the little guy as far as they’re told. I see he’s going to a non union auto parts plant that will be filled with Maga backers. They will truly believe that’s all legit & these workers love him & he fights for them. It’s sad.
Media likes him because he brings in hate watchers and rage clicks. Conservatives vote for him because they're just in too deep at this point, so the sunken cost fallacy has taken hold and they're just stuck. Also racism. Off topic but I'm really curious to see what happens when Trump dies. I mean, he's got like...what? a decade left, tops? The GOP has twisted their identity to the point where Trump basically **is** the party, so what happens when he's inevitably gone?
its really discouraging. we're far past the point where anyone with two brain cells to rub together should have seen what he is, which means the people still rolling with team trump are into it. thats why I'm not particularly sympathetic to them anymore. they're fascists and I haven't forgotten how that works.
Because the only alternative to Trump is rapidly declining and can’t even manage to meet with LL Cool J without screwing up?
That rapidly declining man is what stands between us and a complete dismantling of democracy.
He threatened us with a good time and didn’t deliver. Much like his infrastructure and healthcare plans. Color me shocked.
Who knew healthcare was so hard?
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You know that was quoting Trump, right?
I know! He said he would leave the country and never come back if he lost. He knows he lost so when Is he leaving?
It was a direct threat to Michigan... vote for me or I'll destroy you. >"Oh, you better get out there and vote tomorrow, or I will be so angry. I'll never come back to Michigan. I'll never come back. I'll tell Japan to bring all those plants the hell back." -[source](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-michigan-never-come-back-if-state-votes-for-biden-2020-11)
Remember when he threatened to shut down factories if Michigan went to Biden in the elections? Pro-workers my ass.
But in his mind, he didn't lose.
No, 'in his mind,' he doesn't believe certain people's votes should count (like me, my mom, brother, etc.) so he's literally not counting those, and by that score, he feels he wins.
The local classic rock station has been playing his bs ads and it disgusts me.
97.1 The Ticket as well.
Why the hell would a sports station take a political ad? Do they want their listeners to switch stations?
They are legally required to play the ads as long as the candidate is able to run. Per the FCC, stations can't choose what candidates can run ads on their stations.
Ok I will rephrase. Why the hell is a sport station taking ANY political ads?
Because running political candidates’ ads is a condition of being licensed to use the public’s airwaves, [per FCC rules](https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/political_programming_fact_sheet.pdf).
$$$$$$$
At the cost of viewers turning off the station? You are losing ad revenue from other advertisers by taking money from politicians because viewership will be impacted and thus advertisers will see this.
Radio and TV stations cannot decline a political ad from a candidate who is legally able to run.
They legally can't say no, Monday on the WRIF Dave and Chuck made sure to tell their listeners they have to air the political ads
It is a questionable decision in the long term. Maybe their owner is in Cult45?
Nah. Its probably more simple than that. Audacy negotiated a contract with these parties at the cost of some of their product. Audacy does more than just sports radio so it makes sense for the other products...just not so much for sports radio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacy
It's even more simple, they can't say no [One major amendment to the Communications Act of 1934 was made on September 7, 1999. The FCC ruled "that a broadcast station should not be allowed to refuse a request for political advertising... "](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Act_of_1934)
Because the people paying for the ads want the airtime?
They may not be able to refuse the ads but they *can* decide when to run the ads.
Not really. Ad buys are built around dates and timeslots, too.
explains why my ex went complete MAGA insane then. that’s all he ever listens to
Just keep in mind that by law the stations are not able to pick and choose what political ads they play, if the ad is paid for they do not have a choice.
That's pretty gross.. I doubt he is even on the ballot next year.
And he wont even show up to a union plant today. Going to some rat shop where hes more likely to have bootlickers kneel down to him
Trump is for whatever serves his current purposes. Once it no longer does... see ya! As long as he's not in jail, he'll keep being the same exact POS he always has been .
> As long as he's not in jail, he'll keep being the same exact POS he always has been There is no reason to believe jail would lead to him being any less of a POS. We just won't have to hear about it as often.
I agree. If he thinks you can do something for him he'll play ball with just about anyone. The only color he cares about is green. Doesn't matter about race, political affiliation, gender, religious beliefs, innocence or guilty convictions etc. The thing that Trump hates the most are poor people.
Wasn't he found to be employing illegal aliens because he could refuse to pay them?
He's having trouble getting lawyers because he refuses to pay them. They demand payment up front.
Just look at his friends like Elon who like to bust union development within his companies. You would think someone who supports unions would have a problem with business owners who practice these acts. Wonder if one could get him to admit his support of punishing those who would actively break the law and make such acts incredibly painful for the company and its upper management if found engaging in such acts. But that would mean Turing away donors and powerful supporters.
He went to a non-union shop.
My understanding is that his visit to MI today is not even to a union shop.
your understanding is accurate.
This is correct. Trump **does not** show up for union workers, but you bet your ass an overwhelming majority show up for him. Get rid of the (R) and you would be amazed how many supporters Trump loses. Our country is dangerously dumb.
From the Free Press - Allowed Employers to Not Pay Overtime - Trump rolled back Obama-era protections that would have extended time-and-half overtime pay to millions more workers. - Maintained 14+ YO Minimum Wage - He didn’t lift a finger to raise the federal minimum wage, which has remained at a low $7.25 an hour since 2009. - Safety at Workplaces Reduced - His administration pushed to ease safety requirements for oil rig workers and relax rules for safety inspections in coal mines. - Worker and Farm Safety Eliminated - Trump also eliminated the ban on a toxic pesticide, chlorpyrifos, that causes acute reactions in farmworkers and does nerve damage to children.
Trump wouldn’t let you hold his jacket while he took a shit. He shits down the back of labor every chance he gets .
You don’t need to lead the Michigan AFL-CIO to know that, but sometimes we need articles of “water is wet” because people be dumb sometimes.
Every single one of his supporters is also a life long disappointment.
Happy to hear this said aloud by the AFL-CIO because this needs to be said often to the union members who have voted for Trump in the past and may consider doing so again in the future.
He showed up for himself and anyone who believes differently is ill advised. Historically he gives no fvcks about unions. Past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior
"He only came after I announced that I would be here. He announced quite a bit later, spoke for a few seconds ... and he had absolutely no idea what he was saying. He didn't know where he was, he didn't know what he was saying, 'Where am I? Where am I?' he's saying. 'Oh you're in Michigan.' 'What do they do in Michigan?' 'They grow weed in Michigan,' he said. Donald trump quote from his “speech”
I love it when people try to hold Trump to his word, he is a cowardly liar, slumlord, racist, and outright fascist draft-dodger. I understand the conscientious objectors, but the rich cowardly warmongers like Trump, Biden, W, and Clinton should all be in prison.
[Just remember that they only pretend to support the working class.](https://preview.redd.it/fhbsvf7y9mqb1.jpg?auto=webp&s=efccf2590e32ab97059e650bdbb4e8ba747034f6)
Trump hates workers
Bad situation all around. Biden and the Dems support the auto workers to the point of bailing them out. Republicans have spent the last decade plus busting unions.. Then the auto workers repay the Dems by voting Republican.
He only shows up for photo-ops... any chance he gets to honk fire engine horns and throw paper towels into brown people's faces 🤷🏻♂️
Trump going to a non union shop to talk is a joke. He had never cared about unions or the common worker.
He only shows up for himself. His agenda: stay out of prison 2. Revenge
My wife said that plant Trump is visiting is run so incompetently that they damn near shut down her company multiple times per week. They couldn’t get any of their parts out on time. They couldn’t even tell you when their employees would show up again to produce whatever it was they were being paid to produce. They also didn’t seem to care. It’s hilarious he picked that shithole plant to visit.
The 4 Seasons Landscaping of companies, you say?
I don't believe you. Period.
Is there a reddit space for trump/maga haters? Because I'd like to join.
What sub on Reddit isn’t anti MAGA?
/r/Conservative
Before I finally had to mute the True Unpopular Opinion sub, there were a lot of posts from people complaining about how liberal all of the subs are. r/conservative and a couple of other places were the only right wing subs drawing any traffic. There were also a lot of right wing complaints about the posts in r/newsofthestupid
Not to be mean or anything, but the afl-cio always backs democrats no matter what. They get government money they really don't give a shit either way, just another million dollar organization that doesn't do shit.
We know
I'm just curious: were there any other politicians that showed up to the AFL-CIO or just the UAW AND the IBEW?
I can hear the booing now...
I'm just sick of both of them. Trump all talk and bellyaching, and Biden can't remember if he is coming or going. We don't need either of them screwing our country up anymore.
Can you articulate how Biden is "screwing up our country"?
Shall we talk about the thousands of illegals coming across our open southern borders or the amount of drugs entering our country? How about the cost of everything.
What did Biden do to make those things happen?
It's not what he did its what he isn't doing. Take some action any kind of action.
[You mean like this?](https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/09/20/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-takes-new-actions-increase-border) Also, it's not like they haven't been doing anything other than that. That's a position based on lies.
I don't think you pay attention to politics at all if you think JB hasn't done anything. You sound like a Defendant Trump supporter, you pick and choose info to suit your needs. Google his accomplishments for the last year alone.
Alright, then what would you do to stop the supposed flood of migrants crossing the southern US border directly into Michigan? And what about these drugs? I've been hearing stories of a major drug crisis in this country yet I haven't seen a single pill, syringe or whatever anywhere in my neighborhood. I'm trying to be patient but I'm starting to get annoyed; either start cutting me in the loop or shut the hell about about mystery drugs.
1) You can see from CBP’s own statistics that enforcement is up every year that Biden has been President. This means one of two things: a) that there has just been a massive increase of people trying to enter the country since he took office (not sure how he would get the blame for that), or b) that CBP is more effective at stopping illegals since Joe became President, which could be his fault. In either event, enforcement is up ( a good thing according to what I infer from your comment), or just because there’s more people (again not the President’s fault), but the result is that CBP seems pretty damn effective at their job. So I’m not seeing an increase in illegal aliens, just an increase in enforcement against illegal aliens. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics 2) Drug busts at our southern border are at an an all-time high, most of it being an increase in fentanyl which comes from China via Mexican drug cartels. Again, either drug trafficking has increased (again, not the President’s fault -that would be the drug cartels), but seizure and enforcement is also up! Which again, is a good thing. Could more be done? Maybe. I’m not a drug enforcement expert after all. Here’s a link again to official numbers. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/fentanyl-seizures-border-continue-spike-making-san-diego-national-epicenter-fentanyl Record breaking seizure: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/fentanyl-seizures-border-continue-spike-making-san-diego-national-epicenter-fentanyl Record breaking seizures in 2021 (Biden’s first year as President): https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/fentanyl-seizures-border-continue-spike-making-san-diego-national-epicenter-fentanyl Also, a whopping 86% of all fentanyl trafficking convictions was for US CITIZENS! Not illegals (of which, only .02% were found to be carrying illegal drugs. So no connection between illegal immigrants and drugs, and enforcement against those two is up since Biden became President, which again, inferring from your comment, is a good thing. https://www.thirdway.org/memo/the-truth-about-fentanyl-trafficking 3) There’s a lot of reasons why inflation is out of control. Most experts believe it started because of an increase in demand with a corresponding decrease in supply that occurred because of the pandemic. (Should we talk about Presidential performance in regards to the pandemic? Because I could go on about the comparison of our last 2 Presidents). https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/08/10/inflation-falling-prices-gas-groceries/# But then, as people went back to work, a strange thing happened. While the supply Chain recovered and supply began to meet or exceed demand, prices did not fall. Instead, profits went up and prices continued to rise. Profits are good if you own the company or are a stockholder. But what if you’re a worker? And your pay doesn’t rise? Prices go up, profits go up, but you can afford less. So companies are basically price gouging YOU to make more money. So what does that have to do with the President? Not a damn thing. However, President Biden did make it so that the spiraling cost of medicines was checked, which is great for people with low and fixed incomes who need these medicines (e.g. insulin). https://www.epi.org/blog/even-with-todays-slowdown-profit-growth-remains-a-big-driver-of-inflation-in-recent-years-corporate-profits-have-contributed-to-more-than-a-third-of-price-growth/ Hope that answers your questions!
I appreciate the effort, but it's wasted effort that will go unanswered. They don't actually care about facts, just want to argue.
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Life is not better. I spend more for gas, for food, for energy. Spending more over the last 3 years is not better..
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If anyone paid attention to my first comment. I don't want either one of them in office.
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Cmon man. Right wing propaganda doesn't get into the details so don't bully him for not knowing anything beyond the talking point.
We saw it, it's just no one believes you. It's a feigned since of "both sides" that really is just softening the blow before you spew fox news talking points.
> I spend more for gas, for food, for energy. Spending more over the last 3 years is not better.. I thought it was the "thousands of illegals" or did the evidence change those goal posts? How is the President responsible for inflation of prices, please explain.
Put that blame on Putin, then. Because, unless we wanted to let him run roughshod over all of Europe, we were all going to pay more for things. As it stands, we're getting a hell of a deal for keeping Putin contained in far eastern Europe.
Lol this has been a “issue” for decade after decade after decade. How foolish are you to say this is a Biden problem?
You know Biden is only 3 years older than Trump? He is also in incredible shape. Biden has had a stutter since childhood but now that he’s old, people attack him for the only thing he is unable to control, his age. He has been a very effective leader. Trump was a dud.
Biden and Trump both are calling the auto CEOs and privately telling them they don’t agree with the strike but have to show up and meet them for political points, at least according to Ford corporate in company meetings. And remember just a few months ago when Biden forced the rail workers to agree to a plan that did nothing to actually address their grievances? Those people have it way worse than the auto workers (not to say UAW claims are not legitimate). Neither are actually pro-worker.
I’ve already posted this above but while Biden signed Congress’s action stopping the Railroad strike, the Biden Administration never stopped working to help the Railroad Unions. You don’t have to believe me, the Union said it themselves: “We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.” https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
I don’t know why they don’t tell us about that. Democrats are so lousy at messaging.
the whole "Biden hates workers bc the railroads" thing needs to be checked. rail line continuity is a *national security* issue. Biden, nor any other responsible president can allow shutdowns of that sort. whether we like it or not, there are a few industries where strike-style labor negotiation is not an acceptable option for greater society.
Four paid sick days and no real changes to their grievances on safety and scheduling of the workers and trains in general. Biden had the opportunity to force actual change in the rail industry. Which would get more trucks off the road, be more environmentally friendly, and improve workers lives but instead he forced and end to the strike which addressed very little of the actual issue and basically sided with the status quo the big rail companies.
Didn't they just announce a huge train infrastructure project? https://apnews.com/article/biden-rail-safety-infrastructure-buttigieg-9a7ff416e41d531dfb996d332a1ba146
Yes to repair existing rail lines, not to force the rail companies to act more safely or change their terrible operating system which results in most of the problems.
That’s a weird thing to publicly admit . Did they happen to go into specifics ? Or was it just a simple “ both presumptive presidential candidates agree with us . Feel free to post this on social media.” ?
It was said this week in a Ford company wide town hall meeting
Got any evidence, pal?
It was said by Ford leadership in a company town hall meeting.
Ford leadership said that Biden wasn't pro-worker?
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
So they got four paid sick days, but nothing noted about the insane hours, on-call scheduling, safety issues, constant pressure to switch to one man crews by the companies, or any real changes to the precision scheduling railway system that’s causing all the issues.
For real, i think the sick days are nice and all, but its the idea that the person controlling the multi-thousand ton load of hazardous chemicals crusing through my neighborhood on the 12th+ hour of there shift having worked for a week straight is FAR more concerning to me. No way that person is running at there best.
Exactly, the rail companies do not run their companies in a safe manner and the hours and scheduling issues are more than getting four sick days can fix
The railroads shutting down would be devastating for the entire county. Framing Biden as anti-union for his actions during the threats of a rail strike is just pure ignorance.
\>The railroads shutting down would be devastating for the ~~entire county~~ rich. Fix that for you. But seriously, that is why strikes work. If it didn't put pressure on ownership, not just from workers but from other businesses and the government, what would be the point? Devastating an 'economy' that only serves to make the rich richer sounds like a pretty good idea to me.
So he could have forced the railway companies to not insanely abuse their workers which is why the railways barely function in the first place
Rail companies don't "insanely abuse" their workers. The biggest complaint from the workers was the lack of paid sick time and that's exactly what they got as a result.
And the insane schedules, mandatory overtime, and constant short staffing which Biden didn't address at all. Honestly the short staffing and extremely long shifts SHOULD be concerning to all of us and should be considered a national public safety issue, but lets just focus on the couple of sick days.
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How is being pro worker a conservative value? Yes people always complain about work, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t legitimate reasons to strike. It’s not Biden’s fault, he just chose to not fix it. Trump is no better because this has been an issue since conrail days and he didn’t fix it either. It’s not a left or right political issue, it’s a workers rights issue.
Allowing this only due to claims it was from FORD, but still very dubious without links. I find it hard to believe that the Union would not add strike locations to Ford as they were bargaining in good faith, but then Ford actually made these statements.
"Biden isn't pre-worker and I know because Ford Corporation told me so!!" Youre winning the Dunning Kruger award for Wednesday Sept 27th
Do you genuinely believe that career politicians wouldn’t play both sides of the issue? Your naive trophy is in the mail 🤡
Do you genuinely believe that a career C-Suite wouldn't say something not entirely true? Does he have documented proof? I've seen actual video of what Biden has said. As always, follow the money.
A career politician playing both sides? Its possible. Believing anything a corporate executive from Ford says to be the truth? That's simping for Corporations and shows you're the clown. Projextion much? Your boots are in the mail. Give emna good tongue bath when they arrive.
I think it is true what he said about electric vehicles though. And Biden is booting Americans from nursing homes to make room for migrants. Pretty sure Trump is a better choice. Down vote away. This country was a much better place to live under Trump. And RFK Jr is not going to make it....Biden wants war with China so much he drools Thinking about it. This speech tonight was impressive. I am actually considering Trump for the first time.
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Are people starting to see the real trumpet? He has never been for the 99%.
r/WorkReform
As usual, the people who need to read this, won’t.
Trump is a self-serving populist bullshitter that says things that his electorate wants to hear. I don't think he really believes in anything. But the Democrats have effectively given up on the blue collar middle class decades ago. A large part of my extended family, especially on my wife's side, are the stereotypical "Limousine Democrats" and they can hardly hide their disdain for these people. To them, they are ignorant hicks whose jobs and very lifestyles are thing of the past, because " the post-industrial society doesn't need them" and "manufacturing is an obsolete field, all it does it pollute the environment, and the sooner it disappears from this country the better off we are" (literal quotes). Some of them are finally starting to realize that we can't survive as a country if we are dependent on others for manufacturing (thanks to the latest spat with China) but they still think that a typical Rust Belt worker is a toothless, pickup driving hick with a MAGA hat hidden somewhere. The simple truth is, the Rust Belt has no representation in modern American politics.
Why would I listen to the AFL CIO I was a card carrying member of the AFL CIO in the 90s as an operator and when my grandfather's company closed to do to his death the union did Jack shit to keep me in the trade. You have your opinion I have my experience shut the fuck up.