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MaterialDate5987

I'm currently eating a homemade burger with avocado and kimchi on sourdough bread. I have a salad on the side with some pickled ginger on top


carchit

Lunch these days is naturally fermented porridge bread toasted with avo/kimchi topping. Pretty much the best thing ever done right.


yesreallyefr

Any chance of getting a recipe for that bread?


sorE_doG

Sounds like [Authentic Injera](https://www.daringgourmet.com/authentic-injera-ethiopian-flatbread/)


TypicalPDXhipster

Well this doesn’t look good hard to make. I’ve maxed sourdough in the past; definitely gonna give this a go!


sorE_doG

The teff is expensive, but for anyone needing to be gluten free it’s not - not compared with the fake highly processed GF ‘bread’ available. The injera is nothing like any other flatbread though, at all. It’s a rare treat for me.


yalldieirl

isnt fermented porridge bread and any bread cooked in such heat, all probiotics are dead? only prebiotics remain ?


carchit

Yes slaughtered. Our gut also cooks them but still lots of benefits.


MaterialDate5987

I'll also add that using that type of fermented ingredients helps you avoid sugar, which is why sourdough bread doesn't have added sugar, but it's still delicious


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The bacteria die but their remnants, postbiotics, are still beneficial! 


Examiner7

For real, it's not the burgers.


EvanAtak

Should be “how processed foods and sugars killed our ancestral microbe” You can make a burger healthy. And potatoes (if you tolerate oxalates well).


TimeSpiralNemesis

Vice versa modern diets can make ANYTHING unhealthy. At the grocery store I work at nothing healthy ever sells and always goes to date and gets donated. But we sell shit tons of canned green beans. However the way people prepare them is covering them in so much bacon, meat grease, and butter you can't even tell you're eating vegetables anymore.


Kep0a

I think this is more about fiber. Sure a burger can be healthy (of course, there is debate on red meat) but it's the fiber. We've replaced so much of our diet it's a dangerous problem, colorectal cancer is on the rise.


Jennwah

Facts. We’ve stripped all our grains.


jaeyboh

Not to mention we spray our grains with glycosphate making them essentially poison


Waterrat

^This.


Any_Car5127

Yeah. They're not exactly poison but I quit buying Bob's Red Mill Bulgar for organic bulgar. Problem with glyphosate is that it might or might not be implicated in non-Hodgkin's lymphoma: [https://www.udel.edu/academics/colleges/canr/news/2023/november/roundup/](https://www.udel.edu/academics/colleges/canr/news/2023/november/roundup/)


anony_moususer_888

Glyphosate


tiggahiccups

Which grains are best?


CaveLady3000

I feel like the phrase "burger and fries" doesn't just mean the food but also the ubiquity and normalization of it as The standard meal.


woolen_goose

Grass fed burger on sourdough with veggies and pickle ferments is super healthy! Potatoes traditionally fried in beef tallow or duck fat is super healthy! But in America we cook soy fed, ammonia washed beef on bread made with oils, sugars, and thickeners. Our pickles have yellow dye 7 and our veggies are stripped of nutritional value. Potatoes are deep fried in what was originally invented as motor oil and has no place inside our bodies. Even the salt on the potatoes has been stripped of usefulness.


georgespeaches

Buddy hop off the beef tallow trend. It’s gross and unhealthy. Basically straight up saturated fat which is well connected to heart disease


woolen_goose

1. Vegetable oils are connected to heart disease. It’s now proven the entire “saturated fat is bad” and “salt is bad” trend was propaganda in order to push post war / mid century industrial motor oils as suddenly “viable” food oil. 2. It isn’t a trend to eat animal fats. Idk if you’re American but my family ate traditional northern Italian foods. Everything is cooked in animals fats or butter or olive oil. My grandparents lived to be 90.


georgespeaches

I understand that historically people ate whatever worked. Animal fats are trending within the modern nutritional guideline context, however. I’m pretty sure your first point is 100% incorrect. And your grandparents are only two data points , statistically speaking.


woolen_goose

There is more data (medical journals etc) but I’m really disinterested in debating about oil consumption.


Accurate_Condition65

This. Capitalist will give you what you crave even if it harms you.


GWS2004

Depends on what that burger was dining on.


EvanAtak

Duh - organic grass. Grass fed protein is a health food. It’s fixed all of my auto immune conditions, and help me get past a Candida overgrowth in my small intestine. Cheers!


carchit

I don’t see how we get anywhere close to our ancestral fiber intake without supplementation. 15g of inulin/FOS has made a huge difference for me.


sorE_doG

Chia pudding for breakfast, with homemade m!lk from walnuts and cashew, with a mix of dried/frozen raisins, cherries and berries. 50g fibre in a bowl, it’s *easy*..


Ok-Hunt-5902

What does that cost a bowl?


sorE_doG

I buy chia seeds at £8/kg, nuts are around the same, so a bowl might use 75g chia, 50g nuts, so you could say £1.50 plus fruit.. if you grow any fruit, add a handful of raisins and it’s cheap, otherwise seasonal/frozen fruit so maybe £2-$3 to kickstart the day with ~ 1000kcal of whole food.


okkeyok

75g of chia? Aren't you a little bit worried about nickel and cadmium? The recommendation I found said 1-2 tbsp a day if you plan to eat like that for the rest of your life. But you can diversify your nuts and seeds and have 1-2 tbsps of 5 different types.


sorE_doG

I buy organic, and use oats in winter as well as chia, it’s also often blended with fresh ground brown flax, depending on what I have available, & where I am. Not worried about absorption of metals at all since I stopped eating salmon, quite frankly.


okkeyok

That is true. Pollutants from plants don't absorb as much, and people eating more plants seem to have lower lewers of such pollutants/toxins.


nano_peen

I love chia and pudding


happy_bluebird

I get way over the recommended amount lol it might be too much


sorE_doG

I aim for (& sometimes achieve) 100g/day without thinking about it much. I don’t think there is such a thing as ‘too much’, once you’ve got the right balance of gut flora.


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ShiftingBaselines

What do you use exactly? Psyllium fibers?? I would love to do this but don’t want to guess.


Separate-Evidence

Psyllium husk is my best friend 🙃


mumblemurmurblahblah

I put a scoop into my smoothies. Great stuff.


GutsyMcDoofenshmurtz

How to you take the psyllium husk?


Wanted9867

Capsules, for me.


GutsyMcDoofenshmurtz

How much do you take?


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pinellaspete

Not the person you asked but... Inulin makes you regular and makes your stool formation better. I'm like clockwork, once a day, shortly after I started taking inulin and switched to a high fiber diet. Be careful and start introducing it to your diet slowly because if you are not accustom to it, it will produce a lot of gas. A famous heart surgeon puts all his patients on inulin. He says it helps with coronary artery disease and diabetes. It helps to prevent diabetes which contributes to coronary artery disease. It is also important to eat fermented foods (real fermented foods) because they add prebiotics and probiotics to our GI tract to help feed our good bacteria. Refrigeration has only been available to consumers since the 1930s so for millennia before that we ate fermented foods everyday.


DamonFields

Eat fruit, vegetables, whole grains, nuts , it's not that hard.


carchit

Domesticated fruits/veg/grains have had much of the fiber bred out of them. For those of us suffering from inflammatory diseases supplementation can be a big help.


Moredateslessvapes

Is supplementing fiber in addition to eating veggies + nuts enough?


Thewitchaser

Difference in what?


twistedredd

I was wondering about the effects of microplastics on the microbiome.


Fragrant-Astronaut57

I think it leads to micropenis?


Nautil_us

Not specifically about the microbiome, but we wrote about microplastics a little while ago. [https://nautil.us/you-eat-a-credits-card-worth-of-plastic-every-week-238481/](https://nautil.us/you-eat-a-credits-card-worth-of-plastic-every-week-238481/)


Melqart310

Amazing article, thanks for sharing


That-Tension-2289

It’s simple they replaced all the fruiting trees with fast food restaurants. People will eat what is naturally available, so if fast food is easily available that’s what people are going to eat.


Brief_Night_1225

People will also eat what’s addictive.


That-Tension-2289

Yes but research now shows the addiction is created by the way the food is processed. It hard to develop an addiction to natural whole food.


MuffinPuff

"Natural whole food" doesn't have much meaning when modern fruits are as sweet as candy. I don't consider myself a sweet tooth, but I can gobble up a pound of grapes or strawberries effortlessly, and want more the next day.


That-Tension-2289

Ohh but it does you are just focusing on one aspect of the fruit but there is so much more going on with a living fruit vs a man made sugar snack. For example the sugar is available in the correct food matrix as how nature designed it grapes for example have well over 1600 Phytonutrients along with fiber, water, minerals, vitamins. Plus a living electrical field. The body recognizes this as food for remaining healthy. A man made sugar snack can’t even come close to this. Sugar snacks are made from chemically altered sugars and have a lot of other ingredients which is only used for a longer shelf life so these companies can make a profit.


MuffinPuff

I still don't consider it "natural" when it's been altered to be hyper-palatable and astronomically sweet compared to the original plant. I'll tolerate berries because they are low sugar, but I tend to lean away from most other fruits because the sugar-to-fiber ratio just isn't great for the *really* tasty fruits, ie pineapple, mango, green grapes, dried fruits.


roundysquareblock

This is a myth. There are wild fruits in Africa, completely untouched by humans, that are just as sweet as some modern variations.


MuffinPuff

The existence of historically sweet fruit doesn't change the fact that our commercial fruit is adulterated to be extremely sweet compared to their original state. Hyper-palatability is what sells food in the US.


UwStudent98210

There are no RCTs showing harm from fruit or fruit juice. You are missing the polyphenol aspect. Fruits have tons. Processed food has 0. They cannot be isolated as they work in a group with the whole fruit.


MuffinPuff

I'm not missing the existence of polyphenols. More importantly, I'm not comparing the nutrition profile of fruit to candy, I'm comparing the sugar content to candy. If I were to compare the nutrition profile of fruit to a relatively similar food source, I would compare them to vegetables, which are a superior source of polyphenols and fiber imo.


UwStudent98210

To be clear: If you give healthy people sugar, their metabolic health gets worse. If you give healthy people fruit, their metabolic health improves. If you give diabetics sugar, their metabolic health gets worse. If you give diabetics fruit, their metabolic health improves. Humanity has done these trials countless times. You can repeat these results with almost every aspect of metabolic health. You can also repeat them with fruit juice, which people commonly claim is unhealthy (but is well proven that it isn't). These studies have been done countless times. There are no studies showing fruit is harmful. If you have certain conditions (for example IBD or SIBO), you may want to reduce fruits. But fruit is healthy regardless of sugar content.


MuffinPuff

The same can be said when you give people vegetables, and those don't cause significant blood sugar fluctuations in people who are insulin resistant. I'm not talking about pre-diabetic or diabetic people, I'm talking about those of us who respond to sugar content with a more severe spike than others, regardless of weight or fasting blood glucose. Not all of us are meant to consume high sugar things, and that's perfectly fine. I don't have high spikes from berries, but the high sugar-low fiber fruits just aren't worth the trouble, and this is the case for many people. The word "healthy" is another term that has lost meaning when what's healthy to some isn't healthy to others.


thiccboilifts

A lb of strawberries is only 150 kcal and is really good for you.


MuffinPuff

Yep, that's why if I do decide to get fruit, it's berries 9 times out of 10 because they are a low sugar fruit. I tried the same thing with grapes a few weeks ago and went into a sugar coma afterwards, no bueno.


Captain-Popcorn

I’ve done OMAD for over 6 years. Eating infrequently I found healthy foods tasted delicious. I don’t know how to prove it medically, but my sense of my microbiome is very healthy. I never get sick after decades of annual sinus infections, flu, sore throats, green snot, …. No antibiotics after taking at least once a year for decades. I took one so often I developed an allergy (my tongue swelled and had to go to ER so it didn’t cut off my airway!) Cuts and bruises heal like they did when I was a kid. Just wash and bandaid (if it’s bleeding) - no antibiotic ointment. (My skin secretes this clear sticky stuff that heals like magic). Even my gums have improved - dentist thought I’d suddenly taken my oral health seriously. I changed nothing - my dentist has never seen before. She says best she’d seen was not getting worse. I eat lots of protein, veggies, fruits, nuts, cheeses. A huge salad first is common. Romaine with wedges of fresh tomato and fruit (Bosc pear and/or fresh peach). Walnuts. Some bacon. Blue cheese. Never get tired of. I eat on a serving bowl. It’s like my taste buds have been reprogrammed. Healthy tastes delicious. I used to allow pizza once a week - and I moved from frozen to gourmet that I made myself. But I lost my taste for it. All the bread. Every bite tastes the same. I can go months without and not miss it. So I think it’s possible to restore your microbiome! Without feeling like you’re giving something up. Eating less frequently changes your diet from the inside out. Burgers are fine - I use fresh ground beef, cook on grill. Usually skip the bun. Add some cheese, ketchup, and a little BBQ sauce I make myself.


happy_bluebird

Most of that is healthy, but you can do that without omad


Captain-Popcorn

The post was about the western diet derailing our microbiome. As I described OMAD led to what appears a healthy microbiome. My diet did improve as a result (much less highly processed carbs). But still consider it a very western diet. I eat plenty of cheeseburgers (sans bun). But I eat very few grains. I’m not keto. I eat a lot of fruit and veggies. Sorry if it sounded like I thought this was the only way. But it seems A way. For me it happened as an unexpected side effect of my eating schedule.


jaeyboh

OMAD was probably the closest eating schedule we have to our ancestors. They didn't have grocery stores or different food industries to try to sell breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Fasting provides a period of time for your body to purge dead cells and regenerate. It also allows time for your digestive system to rest.


happy_bluebird

The back to nature fallacy. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a good thing https://www.inverse.com/article/57835-intermittent-fasting-evolution


yalldieirl

not true research about hazda, the only group left of humans that live close to our anchestors. they were approached by docs and studies were done on them. also their behaviour is rich of snacking, especially during hunting they snack alot on honey or even raw meat that they gathered. yea, theyre true wildlife human :D


MuffinPuff

It makes sense when they're active. If anything, it just means our bodies are adapted to being active, whether we have food or not. For those of us who aren't active, snacking just shouldn't be a thing imo.


darkspear1987

Can also confirm. I did a low carb diet for 2 years and never ate any bread. The first time I ate the regular store bread, I almost threw up with how disgusting it tasted. I felt I was eating smelly oils and preservatives


cowjuicer074

Back then, we were living a lifestyle that wasn't conducive to longevity. Surprisingly, burgers and fries are “longevity foods" :)


Waterrat

Add to the damage done by the SAD,all the insecticides,[herbicides,and such have depleted plants of nutrients and plants absorb these poisons](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780081030172000039) and we,in turn do the same from the plants we eat.


TigerSagittarius86

Read it. Shared it. Upvoted.


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Getting 80g of fiber is doable.


Fragrant-Astronaut57

Don’t blame burgers, blame oils and processed ingredients. Burgers never did anything wrong


MinuteGlass7811

A burger is meat after all, we have been eating meat for 2M years. You are absolutely right.


seraphiinna

Flesh products grown with antibiotics to prevent infections (so they can cram hundreds of them together in filthy grow conditions without them dying) get passed onto humans and our microbiome. Plus roughly 30% of the population gets a prescription for antibiotics in a given year, typically orally. It’s surely had a tremendous negative impact on peoples’ gut health. Just last year, the CDC and WHO issued new guidance that prophylactic antibiotics should be stopped within 24 hours of surgical wounds being closed, and in many other cases shorter courses are also being recommended — but many doctors aren’t yet following the new guidance, still giving 7+ day prescriptions for strong antibiotics just to CYA and avoid any potential for lawsuits. I’ve personally had some pretty wicked infections knocked out by just a day’s worth. I can’t handle tons of fiber, but I do take probiotics and eat probiotic foods each day, which seems to help.


Prism43_

Burgers are not a problem, they are just beef. The problem is cooking in seed oils and eating preservatives and chemicals.


happy_bluebird

Beef is the problem. Seed oil myth has been debunked


Prism43_

Eating industrially produced oxidized seed oils that destroy your body from the inside out is most definitely a problem. Beef has been consumed for tens of thousands of years and really isn’t an issue. I would have thought this would have been a higher quality sub but I guess not.


happy_bluebird

Scientific research says the opposite for each of those things


Prestigious_Claim469

shush. you're too confident in your stupidity


happy_bluebird

Rude. Do I need to do your work for you?


Remarkable-Brush-283

Lol more like bad chemicals in food. Meat itself is good for you. BUY FROM YOUR LOCAL FARMER 👨‍🌾 🐮


thebigfuckinggiant

Booking a flight to Central African Republic to go on an ass eating tour.


JFMTL202

So how are people with FODMAP intolerances and IBS supposed to increase their fiber intake without being in pain all day!?!?


happy_bluebird

Certainly a different case. Not every diet works for everyone. If someone has a condition where they can't tolerate higher amounts of fiber, then obviously they shouldn't eat higher amounts of fiber. That would be like telling someone to eat nuts for the healthy fats when that person has a nut allergy.


gluten-morgan

I thought soy and bean burgers were gonna save the species?


GeauxJaysGeaux

Soy and soybean oil is awful to me. That push for disgusting Morningstar Farms products in the ‘90s and part of the aughts hurt gut health for many people.


garloid64

Learn to eat the burger or get consigned to the dustbin of history, little bacteria. It's only natural selection.


ghostofTugou

eating burger king and read this post


Throw_awayOasis

I eat my own homemade kimchi every day and lots of raw veggies and whatever meat I can afford


3gnome

Dietary Advanced Glycation End products are a hazardous inconvenience of a tasty diet.


Gerryislandgirl

Burgers and fries, & not breastfeeding. 


Inna_Bien

Not western. American.