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Oh I know it is (I’ve been watching listings and prices since college). But land is just as expensive around here and generally has had more extensive human use over the last few hundred years.
But the plan to farm is a while down the line and and I expect to slowly grow based on starting small, still working a steady job, and not buying already farmed land if I can avoid it cause that drives the price up. Also TN (my home state) is one of the lowest earning states for farmers.
Thank you for the warning though!
Edit: I’m unsure as to why this and my other response got downvoted to all. I recognize the increase in price of land and am saying that I understand that situation as it’s happening around me. Along with that I’m stuck between a rock and hard place with the goals I have and my means to get there, so I’m trying to find a way given those contexts. If it came off arrogant or acting like gentrification doesn’t exist please give me insight, but ffs
Thank you! My plan is to by land further out, like a whole other county when we get to a point of beginning to be able to buy land. Right now I just have to get out west and get a job that keeps the dream alive.
If you have any small towns or communities you can recommend im all ears and would love to know where to check out (PM me if it’s a hidden gem or a particularly progressive place that people don’t want known for that)
The problem came when AAAAALLLLLL of the people from out of state had ideas like yours. Farming/ranching isn't some fun activity to do on your insta's, It's hard work that takes experience, patience, persistence, and on top of all of the money (how are you going to buy seed, setup irrigation, buy medicine/vaccines for your animals, feed your animals? because the hay you get from this year's crop won't be ready until I harvest time). You asking about "hidden gems" is going to have people recommending Browning as the best place for you (just to be nice, I'll tell you it's one of the last places you want to go in this state... I'm usually not nice about people moving here, same with thousands more), my opinion would be not moving here at all. People fantasize about moving to Montana, quit watching that shitty excuse for a show called Yellowstone and get a fucking life (preferably in your own state/country).
I worded that wrong. I can’t afford to visit every city with a university, but will be visiting in the next year and it will probably be Missoula we choose.
You want to buy a farm in Bozeman or Missoula and start grad school, but you can’t afford to visit so you’re crowd sourcing on Reddit?
Imma going to go out on a limb here and predict that you aren’t pursuing a grad degree in business or accounting.
Lol no please check the edit but I messed up in my initial post, will be visiting but just need more direction on which city to visit, because what I can’t do is visit them all before I move.
The plans for land are years down the line and I don’t plan to live near the city by the time I buy land, like I want to live a couple hours away at that point. My wife wants to start a business, and I bring professional skills to hopefully help contribute to wherever we end up.
Expanding on that: the other 4-year schools in the state include Western (Dillon) Northern (Havre) MSU-B (Billings) Carroll (Helena) and Rocky Mountain (Billings).
MSU-B has a good program for mental health professions, and Rocky Mountain has a good psych program. One of the major industries in Billings is healthcare - the others are Oil and Ag. Plus it’s affordable.
Billings Clinic just opened a L1 trauma center (just don’t expect to get paid as much as any other L1) and Intermountain/St Vincent is expanding massively. They also have a large VAMC.
I’d highly recommend looking into Billings.
Edit: for the love of god, if you somehow end up in Bozeman don’t work for Bozeman Health.
I second looking into Billings, it’s by far the biggest healthcare center in the state.
I also second steering clear of Bozeman Health if you end up in Bozeman. I worked there for a couple years and saw some of the worst patient care I’ve ever witnessed. Truly awful.
You want to buy some land and live in your trailer before you build but you can't afford to visit so your relying on internet strangers to guide you to your Garden of Eden? Do you realize how silly this sounds when the price per acre within 30 minutes of Bozeman is $1 Million? You're going to end up in an encampment and blow through like $40 of propane each day. What you trying to grow up here coconuts?
Harsh…. But quite possibly accurate.
I don’t mean to sh*t on someone’s dreams, but this just doesn’t seem well thought out, or he has a very warped thought of what it’s going to take to make all that work up here.
Buying 50 acres outside Glendive? Sure. Maybe.
Trying to buy even an acre outside of Missoula or Bozeman? Bust out the bankroll and get in line. Especially for anything that could grow in size and “homestead”.
So I think both you and the original commenter are right to a degree, based on what I wrote. I didn’t really communicate everything correctly because I do plan to come visit, just not every city and want to pick one to move to initially. My wife and I plan to work, rent, and save and then buy land further out (1-2 hours) years down the road. We both bring professional skills and want to help build up MT when we come not buy a vacation property or play cowboy, but work hard and build up a better life.
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“Ah yes, that’s what the constant gentrification, stagnant wages, and small communities struggling not to turn into nothing posted on here really indicate MT is doing 100% fine with its current situation. My wife wants to start a business (she’s in mental health) care which would not only improve the local community’s mental health (I’ve seen plenty of posts about how depressed MT is and the rates of other compounding mental health factors) but also invigorate the local economy by maybe creating jobs and opportunities for people going into that career fields. And I want to do small scale ag for a market farm and to work in a university that helps build a more educated and employable populace of Montanans. But you think it’s more beneficial to be an ass online and dissuade the people who want to come be a part of the community, when the rich assholes who can buy vacation properties and rentals and take up all the land from those who actually want to live in MT?
lol you’ll be gone in 18 months. Running a *solvent* farm operation is more difficult than you can even imagine, but it’ll be fun for the neighbors to watch you cosplay poverty until you are actually poor.
We need people like this to spread the word to others hoping to do the same, let them go broke and cry from the rooftops "don't come here, it'll ruin your dreams"!
Don't want your to help build MT up and don't need it, it's already a shit show. 1 to 2 hours out of Bozeman is still not a reasonable proposition. Maybe somewhere up by Havre but land isn't cheap no matter where you go.
I think the Bozeman area as a whole is probably off my list of places now. I don’t want to save Montana, I just want to contribute to a local economy, because I’ve seen what happens when rural places die and big money comes and takes over, I’ve seen it happen in cities too. I’m not bringing in CA or NY or TX money, just skilled work and a lot of hard work for the chance at a better life than I can get here for what I want. Hopefully one day my wife I will have our small plot, she can have her practice, and I can have my farm.
Through that we’ll hopefully contributing to building stronger local economy rather than just draining it through a vacation/rental cabin owned by some rich out of stater with a bs ag exemption for 2 cows so the people lose available land and have to compensate for their lack of contribution.
If you can't afford to visit, there's very little chance you'll be purchasing enough land for a farm.
Average farm size in the US is 446 acres.
Average farm size in Montana is 2,167 acres.
Farm sizes in Missoula will be smaller, if that helps. But Missoula and Gallatin Counties are probably the two most expensive counties in the state.
edit: avg farm size in Tennessee is 154 acres.
That’s valid. I can barely dream of owning a full 100 acres right now, my goal is 50 and to just farm enough to support my half of the marriage lol.
I also don’t plan to move and immediately buy land, that’s a goal for ~5 years of continuing my wife’s career and mine there.
Trust me I don’t just want to come out and play cowboy, I’m trying to just give my kids a chance at clean air, water, and land to grow up with. It a long game and a gamble, just trying to play my cards right.
If your goal is to buy land “5 years down the road” then you’ll have plenty of time to wander the state exploring. The better question is where do you want to go that has both jobs for you currently and a reasonable cost of living so that you can actually continue to save towards your dream. Neither Bozeman or Missoula is the answer to that question. Why Montana? There are far better states for farming based in length of grow season and soil unless you plan on the booming indoor cannabis biz…
You do understand that it’s usually frozen from November to April, right? What are you going to farm that isn’t already a saturated market as well as be profitable? Did you do any research or really going off of what you see on tv?
Yeah actually I’m reading a book right now about the economic sustainability and future of small farms in the modern climate of ag and social media influencers making it seem all roses and fun when it’s not.
I’ve been planning the small infrastructures I can build myself to help extend growing seasons, storing food for longer market availability, and trying to identify gaps in the markets but I think that last part will have to be something that waits til I’ve moved and can actually see those gaps first hand.
But yeah, over the past couple years I’ve also been paying attention to weather data, shifts in growing zones, and learning some of the regulations for selling different food types in MT (veggies, honey, meat, cottage foods, etc.) so that I can strategically plan and gradually build my prep steps up before I actually embark on any ag stuff beyond my own backyard garden.
Everyone assumes I want to move to MT because of Yellowstone but tbh that show just makes me and my wife not want to move there.
Why not do it where you are? Why force a different outcome on environment that is not asking for your input? Ever read the Poisonwood Bible? You don’t need 50 acres for hydroponic growing. There’s enough food from surrounding states to supply montana - there’s only 1 million people here spread out over roads. No public transportation so not likely they are going to come to you or you be priced out by other states . Just trying to be real not burst your bubble. Unless you plan on bringing the customers with you, hard to see how you will bring in your half. Hope you do prove us all wrong.
Real shit thank you for this response. I think what has frustrated me most about making posts asking for advice or just info about life in MT is the assumption I’ve done no research on what I want to do.
As for the different outcome not asked for, I see headlines all the time about the rise in depression, lack of rural interest, and decline of local economies leading to more corporate buyout then it seems MT is wanting to fix these things but needs people interested in doing so. If people want to wallow in those issues and not bring in people who can contribute and want to work towards solutions, the so be it. I’m not saving anyone but I want to join the fight to make things better through what I can contribute (I work in higher education and trauma response mental health stuff but my real passion is land stewardship and accessible food, and my wife is a therapist), and all places need specialized skill, and I’ve heard many people online talk about needing more mental health resources, especially in more rural parts of the state.
And my state’s economy, weather, and social environments just aren’t conducive to what I want to do here. It’s also much much more crowded, much more polluted here.
And as for food from surrounds states, there is more than enough but when a state imports all its food it just siphons money out of that states economy, so local food will always be better for the people both health and wealth wise if it’s accessible and sustainable.
I don’t want to do hydro either though, I actually want to do very very earth based ag that’s regenerative in stewardship to whatever land I work. This looks like rotational graising, no till methods, etc.
We can definitely use people interested in coming here to work locally (enough of the remote work, that's actually a net drain on our local governments).
But just a caution from a local that land values are rising much, much faster than salaries. In other words, if there's any way to purchase when you first get here, it will never fit your budget better.
Thank you. Trust me we want to. If I can find a job that lets me do so, I will. Currently my wife and I play the scratchers, and it started with me coming home and telling her: “one day we’ll win a down payment on a house” because the market around here is so rough. Now it’s turned in to a down payment on land.
If affordability is a key reason why you’re leaving your home, avoid bozeman. I’m paying $100 more to rent in nyc than I was in Bozeman and the house was falling apart. Bozeman in particular is deep in the gentrification process (a whole foods even just opened despite having some of the best local organic coopts) and is likely to only get more unaffordable. It’s a playground for the rich and wealthy.
Despite going to school in bozeman I’ve always personally preferred Missoula. Great art scene, lots of hippies, and really good food. It seems like your values would align perfectly there.
If you are willing to live 1-2 hours out, the area between missoula and kalispell is absolutely BEAUTIFUL. Look at towns like arlee or st. Ignatius! Very very small, lots of open space but not soooo in the middle of nowhere that you couldn’t come in to Missoula or kalispell for a day trip. If they appeal, even more reason to pick Missoula!
Ahh, do you mind me asking where you’re from originally? I’m from TN and wondering what will be hard to adjust to, since I think I know what I’ll like.
Yeah that’s kinda the case with my city. Everyone came here cause it was affordable, friendly, less crowded, blah blah blah. Now it’s not.
We’ll see what I can negotiate with the places I apply pay wise, thank you for that!
Folks need to drop the state protectionism bullshit.
So you’re a dude from back east looking to move his family out west and reinvent your lifestyle in the pursuit of happiness?
Historically, this has always been the most common story of new residents. Literally explains the presence of all the white people out here bitching about new people. If you aren’t Native, then your family undeniably moved here at some point.
Sure you might fail, but I say go for it and good luck.
Thank you, it’s literally how everyone ended up there. So funnily enough my family does claim Blackfeet ancestry and I do want to move closer to learn more about my family’s hidden/stolen culture as I’ve tried to do with the more prominent parts as well. I have no tribal affiliation though, so I don’t act like k have any claim to MT nor do I like to mention it in these posts but since you brought up being native I think it’s kind of funny.
Yeah starting on land in a trailer in a county outside of the big city ones is the plan. I’ve heard the best things about Missoula, aside from pricing, so I think that’s the city I want to be closest too.
I want to start as a homestead and eventually make it a small farm.
Thank you!
A greenhouse is the way to go! I quit trying to garden and instead started helping my neighbor who builds his large garden boxes into little greenhouses. We get tons of produce that way. When it can freeze all summer long, you just can't grow without some help.
Wait wait wait. I have had Missoula selected on my weather app for over a year now as we often check it with our own. But I’ve never seen freezing temps in summer, is that fr?
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I don’t say this to be discouraging but it’s expensive to buy land and “farm”, so I would just keep expectations realistic!
Oh I know it is (I’ve been watching listings and prices since college). But land is just as expensive around here and generally has had more extensive human use over the last few hundred years. But the plan to farm is a while down the line and and I expect to slowly grow based on starting small, still working a steady job, and not buying already farmed land if I can avoid it cause that drives the price up. Also TN (my home state) is one of the lowest earning states for farmers. Thank you for the warning though! Edit: I’m unsure as to why this and my other response got downvoted to all. I recognize the increase in price of land and am saying that I understand that situation as it’s happening around me. Along with that I’m stuck between a rock and hard place with the goals I have and my means to get there, so I’m trying to find a way given those contexts. If it came off arrogant or acting like gentrification doesn’t exist please give me insight, but ffs
It sounds like you’re thinking it through! Good luck! :) there are also smaller towns outside of Missoula that would be more affordable P
Thank you! My plan is to by land further out, like a whole other county when we get to a point of beginning to be able to buy land. Right now I just have to get out west and get a job that keeps the dream alive. If you have any small towns or communities you can recommend im all ears and would love to know where to check out (PM me if it’s a hidden gem or a particularly progressive place that people don’t want known for that)
The problem came when AAAAALLLLLL of the people from out of state had ideas like yours. Farming/ranching isn't some fun activity to do on your insta's, It's hard work that takes experience, patience, persistence, and on top of all of the money (how are you going to buy seed, setup irrigation, buy medicine/vaccines for your animals, feed your animals? because the hay you get from this year's crop won't be ready until I harvest time). You asking about "hidden gems" is going to have people recommending Browning as the best place for you (just to be nice, I'll tell you it's one of the last places you want to go in this state... I'm usually not nice about people moving here, same with thousands more), my opinion would be not moving here at all. People fantasize about moving to Montana, quit watching that shitty excuse for a show called Yellowstone and get a fucking life (preferably in your own state/country).
If you can’t afford to visit, you definitely can’t afford to live there.
I worded that wrong. I can’t afford to visit every city with a university, but will be visiting in the next year and it will probably be Missoula we choose.
You want to buy a farm in Bozeman or Missoula and start grad school, but you can’t afford to visit so you’re crowd sourcing on Reddit? Imma going to go out on a limb here and predict that you aren’t pursuing a grad degree in business or accounting.
Lol no please check the edit but I messed up in my initial post, will be visiting but just need more direction on which city to visit, because what I can’t do is visit them all before I move. The plans for land are years down the line and I don’t plan to live near the city by the time I buy land, like I want to live a couple hours away at that point. My wife wants to start a business, and I bring professional skills to hopefully help contribute to wherever we end up.
Go visit Alaska, there's more room there.
Expanding on that: the other 4-year schools in the state include Western (Dillon) Northern (Havre) MSU-B (Billings) Carroll (Helena) and Rocky Mountain (Billings). MSU-B has a good program for mental health professions, and Rocky Mountain has a good psych program. One of the major industries in Billings is healthcare - the others are Oil and Ag. Plus it’s affordable. Billings Clinic just opened a L1 trauma center (just don’t expect to get paid as much as any other L1) and Intermountain/St Vincent is expanding massively. They also have a large VAMC. I’d highly recommend looking into Billings. Edit: for the love of god, if you somehow end up in Bozeman don’t work for Bozeman Health.
I second looking into Billings, it’s by far the biggest healthcare center in the state. I also second steering clear of Bozeman Health if you end up in Bozeman. I worked there for a couple years and saw some of the worst patient care I’ve ever witnessed. Truly awful.
You want to buy some land and live in your trailer before you build but you can't afford to visit so your relying on internet strangers to guide you to your Garden of Eden? Do you realize how silly this sounds when the price per acre within 30 minutes of Bozeman is $1 Million? You're going to end up in an encampment and blow through like $40 of propane each day. What you trying to grow up here coconuts?
Harsh…. But quite possibly accurate. I don’t mean to sh*t on someone’s dreams, but this just doesn’t seem well thought out, or he has a very warped thought of what it’s going to take to make all that work up here. Buying 50 acres outside Glendive? Sure. Maybe. Trying to buy even an acre outside of Missoula or Bozeman? Bust out the bankroll and get in line. Especially for anything that could grow in size and “homestead”.
So I think both you and the original commenter are right to a degree, based on what I wrote. I didn’t really communicate everything correctly because I do plan to come visit, just not every city and want to pick one to move to initially. My wife and I plan to work, rent, and save and then buy land further out (1-2 hours) years down the road. We both bring professional skills and want to help build up MT when we come not buy a vacation property or play cowboy, but work hard and build up a better life.
To buy enough farmable land as you’re thinking near Missoula or Bozeman, you need to be prepared to spend several million
Please don't help us, we're doing fine on our own.
Edit;m: OG response made for above comment, this is correct: “Ah yes, that’s what the constant gentrification, stagnant wages, and small communities struggling not to turn into nothing posted on here really indicate MT is doing 100% fine with its current situation. My wife wants to start a business (she’s in mental health) care which would not only improve the local community’s mental health (I’ve seen plenty of posts about how depressed MT is and the rates of other compounding mental health factors) but also invigorate the local economy by maybe creating jobs and opportunities for people going into that career fields. And I want to do small scale ag for a market farm and to work in a university that helps build a more educated and employable populace of Montanans. But you think it’s more beneficial to be an ass online and dissuade the people who want to come be a part of the community, when the rich assholes who can buy vacation properties and rentals and take up all the land from those who actually want to live in MT?
My bad, we we're just waiting for a savior. Please rescue us from our current dilemmas. Kick rocks bud
lol you’ll be gone in 18 months. Running a *solvent* farm operation is more difficult than you can even imagine, but it’ll be fun for the neighbors to watch you cosplay poverty until you are actually poor.
We need people like this to spread the word to others hoping to do the same, let them go broke and cry from the rooftops "don't come here, it'll ruin your dreams"!
Alright, thanks bud.
Go watch another episode of Yellowstone. It’s just like that.
Will do.
Don't want your to help build MT up and don't need it, it's already a shit show. 1 to 2 hours out of Bozeman is still not a reasonable proposition. Maybe somewhere up by Havre but land isn't cheap no matter where you go.
I think the Bozeman area as a whole is probably off my list of places now. I don’t want to save Montana, I just want to contribute to a local economy, because I’ve seen what happens when rural places die and big money comes and takes over, I’ve seen it happen in cities too. I’m not bringing in CA or NY or TX money, just skilled work and a lot of hard work for the chance at a better life than I can get here for what I want. Hopefully one day my wife I will have our small plot, she can have her practice, and I can have my farm. Through that we’ll hopefully contributing to building stronger local economy rather than just draining it through a vacation/rental cabin owned by some rich out of stater with a bs ag exemption for 2 cows so the people lose available land and have to compensate for their lack of contribution.
MSU is the only real ag school in Montana.
Good luck affording anything in bozeman
If you can't afford to visit, there's very little chance you'll be purchasing enough land for a farm. Average farm size in the US is 446 acres. Average farm size in Montana is 2,167 acres. Farm sizes in Missoula will be smaller, if that helps. But Missoula and Gallatin Counties are probably the two most expensive counties in the state. edit: avg farm size in Tennessee is 154 acres.
That’s valid. I can barely dream of owning a full 100 acres right now, my goal is 50 and to just farm enough to support my half of the marriage lol. I also don’t plan to move and immediately buy land, that’s a goal for ~5 years of continuing my wife’s career and mine there. Trust me I don’t just want to come out and play cowboy, I’m trying to just give my kids a chance at clean air, water, and land to grow up with. It a long game and a gamble, just trying to play my cards right.
If your goal is to buy land “5 years down the road” then you’ll have plenty of time to wander the state exploring. The better question is where do you want to go that has both jobs for you currently and a reasonable cost of living so that you can actually continue to save towards your dream. Neither Bozeman or Missoula is the answer to that question. Why Montana? There are far better states for farming based in length of grow season and soil unless you plan on the booming indoor cannabis biz…
You do understand that it’s usually frozen from November to April, right? What are you going to farm that isn’t already a saturated market as well as be profitable? Did you do any research or really going off of what you see on tv?
Yeah actually I’m reading a book right now about the economic sustainability and future of small farms in the modern climate of ag and social media influencers making it seem all roses and fun when it’s not. I’ve been planning the small infrastructures I can build myself to help extend growing seasons, storing food for longer market availability, and trying to identify gaps in the markets but I think that last part will have to be something that waits til I’ve moved and can actually see those gaps first hand. But yeah, over the past couple years I’ve also been paying attention to weather data, shifts in growing zones, and learning some of the regulations for selling different food types in MT (veggies, honey, meat, cottage foods, etc.) so that I can strategically plan and gradually build my prep steps up before I actually embark on any ag stuff beyond my own backyard garden. Everyone assumes I want to move to MT because of Yellowstone but tbh that show just makes me and my wife not want to move there.
Why not do it where you are? Why force a different outcome on environment that is not asking for your input? Ever read the Poisonwood Bible? You don’t need 50 acres for hydroponic growing. There’s enough food from surrounding states to supply montana - there’s only 1 million people here spread out over roads. No public transportation so not likely they are going to come to you or you be priced out by other states . Just trying to be real not burst your bubble. Unless you plan on bringing the customers with you, hard to see how you will bring in your half. Hope you do prove us all wrong.
Real shit thank you for this response. I think what has frustrated me most about making posts asking for advice or just info about life in MT is the assumption I’ve done no research on what I want to do. As for the different outcome not asked for, I see headlines all the time about the rise in depression, lack of rural interest, and decline of local economies leading to more corporate buyout then it seems MT is wanting to fix these things but needs people interested in doing so. If people want to wallow in those issues and not bring in people who can contribute and want to work towards solutions, the so be it. I’m not saving anyone but I want to join the fight to make things better through what I can contribute (I work in higher education and trauma response mental health stuff but my real passion is land stewardship and accessible food, and my wife is a therapist), and all places need specialized skill, and I’ve heard many people online talk about needing more mental health resources, especially in more rural parts of the state. And my state’s economy, weather, and social environments just aren’t conducive to what I want to do here. It’s also much much more crowded, much more polluted here. And as for food from surrounds states, there is more than enough but when a state imports all its food it just siphons money out of that states economy, so local food will always be better for the people both health and wealth wise if it’s accessible and sustainable. I don’t want to do hydro either though, I actually want to do very very earth based ag that’s regenerative in stewardship to whatever land I work. This looks like rotational graising, no till methods, etc.
We can definitely use people interested in coming here to work locally (enough of the remote work, that's actually a net drain on our local governments). But just a caution from a local that land values are rising much, much faster than salaries. In other words, if there's any way to purchase when you first get here, it will never fit your budget better.
Thank you. Trust me we want to. If I can find a job that lets me do so, I will. Currently my wife and I play the scratchers, and it started with me coming home and telling her: “one day we’ll win a down payment on a house” because the market around here is so rough. Now it’s turned in to a down payment on land.
You would need millions of dollars for missoula or bozeman. Why did you pick he most expensive state to try this in? Go to Iowa
If affordability is a key reason why you’re leaving your home, avoid bozeman. I’m paying $100 more to rent in nyc than I was in Bozeman and the house was falling apart. Bozeman in particular is deep in the gentrification process (a whole foods even just opened despite having some of the best local organic coopts) and is likely to only get more unaffordable. It’s a playground for the rich and wealthy. Despite going to school in bozeman I’ve always personally preferred Missoula. Great art scene, lots of hippies, and really good food. It seems like your values would align perfectly there.
Thank you for this. I only want to live in any city for a couple years then move 1-2 hours out but need a place to come and work and save.
If you are willing to live 1-2 hours out, the area between missoula and kalispell is absolutely BEAUTIFUL. Look at towns like arlee or st. Ignatius! Very very small, lots of open space but not soooo in the middle of nowhere that you couldn’t come in to Missoula or kalispell for a day trip. If they appeal, even more reason to pick Missoula!
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Thanks! What did you dig about it and what made you skiddadle?
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Ahh, do you mind me asking where you’re from originally? I’m from TN and wondering what will be hard to adjust to, since I think I know what I’ll like.
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Yeah that’s kinda the case with my city. Everyone came here cause it was affordable, friendly, less crowded, blah blah blah. Now it’s not. We’ll see what I can negotiate with the places I apply pay wise, thank you for that!
Folks need to drop the state protectionism bullshit. So you’re a dude from back east looking to move his family out west and reinvent your lifestyle in the pursuit of happiness? Historically, this has always been the most common story of new residents. Literally explains the presence of all the white people out here bitching about new people. If you aren’t Native, then your family undeniably moved here at some point. Sure you might fail, but I say go for it and good luck.
Thank you, it’s literally how everyone ended up there. So funnily enough my family does claim Blackfeet ancestry and I do want to move closer to learn more about my family’s hidden/stolen culture as I’ve tried to do with the more prominent parts as well. I have no tribal affiliation though, so I don’t act like k have any claim to MT nor do I like to mention it in these posts but since you brought up being native I think it’s kind of funny.
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Yeah starting on land in a trailer in a county outside of the big city ones is the plan. I’ve heard the best things about Missoula, aside from pricing, so I think that’s the city I want to be closest too. I want to start as a homestead and eventually make it a small farm. Thank you!
A greenhouse is the way to go! I quit trying to garden and instead started helping my neighbor who builds his large garden boxes into little greenhouses. We get tons of produce that way. When it can freeze all summer long, you just can't grow without some help.
Wait wait wait. I have had Missoula selected on my weather app for over a year now as we often check it with our own. But I’ve never seen freezing temps in summer, is that fr?