A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink
"I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.
"Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."
Propaganda doesn't have to be deceptive, or even pretend to be real. For example, the [military entertainment complex](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93entertainment_complex). It's not an accident they have army recruitment booths outside showings of Top Gun.
Housing is a right for everyone in North Korea. All housing is public housing and is built to last, is not built in “ghettos” (there are none) and such housing is not set off in a way to be regarded as being “for poor people” or part of the “projects” etc.
I grew up in Brooklyn and am very familiar with Section 8 housing. To give you a sense of the need for affordable housing, the Section 8 waitlist has been closed in NYC for 15 years with about 200K applicants. It recently reopened for a brief window of time and the total number of applications is now almost 650,000.
The DPRK system is superior by all measures. It’s the way it should be.
Because they become slums without good local jobs. It just shows that housing is just one part of the problem, it won't fix anything, without adressing core issues.
It’s really the lack of maintenance. The feds paid to build them but provided no support to local governments for maintaining them. This was during a time when many cities were struggling so they fell into disrepair very quickly.
Do you know what would happen if the soldier of any army began running to defect to the enemy side? They would be shot by almost any army. This isn’t a defector, it is a deserter.
Desertion is punishable by death without trial. It's done all over the world. There is no telling what state secrets those people held. Had I been in the American military and stationed in occupied Korea and suddenly took off across towards the DPRK I'd likely be shot in the back too
Interestingly enough, an American soldier did try to defect to the DPRK after dealing with unbearable amounts of racism amongst his peers and commanders. From what I recall, he was held by the DPRK and they made public his statements about how he was being treated by the US, he was released back into Western custody where he was promptly tortured and convicted of desertion
Based. Another dude gave an answer for you. But why do people leave places like Nigeria, Mexico or India for other countries? Aren't they running by all the correct rules such as capitalism and liberal democracy? Blah blah blah, "Great societies build walls to keep the filthy poor out".
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a little more tidbits about the houses built
that they were built last year, 10,000 flats, just in this area, all for free. In three years total 30,000 apartments, so its linearly consistent. Don also added that "wow, so they're brand new"
You are advancing false claims with no basis in reality. Show your work or kindly fuck off.
You will be banned in a few hours unless you reply to this comment with sources for your claims.
Who says it is a paradise?
What if I told you “defecting” is just “immigrating” and if a person could “defect” from their country for a bunch of money because they weren’t happy in their home country for any number of reasons, then lots of rational people might just do it because YOLO?
I’m sorry, anyone who calls Pyongyang public housing a “playground for the rich” is just too far gone and/or criminally stupid to keep in this community. Please never come back.
How many times are you able to see the ground in the video? They're on a high-level rail, so ofc you can't. There's also a shot of the ground level at around 22 secs to the end and you can see some people walking if you pause.
It is weird to me they chose to speak Russian instead of Korean or Mandarin, but there are quite a few pedestrians & other busses in the video.
Edit: chose probably isn't the right word. I just find it weird the language of the bus driver / tour guide isn't one of the ones previously listed.
You like it so much then right? Go live there, tell us everhthing. We are waiting. And remember supporting them means supporting Russia's war against Ukraine since the protection deal and weapon selling 👍
This buffoonery is why this subreddit is called “Moving To North Korea” — the type of imbecilic thinking that anytime someone says something vaguely not insane about [insert foreign Enemy Country], the standard room temp IQ American response is “Well if you love it so much, why don’t you just move there!!!!11” — just wildly stupid in every way.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjwL1mSrPLA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjwL1mSrPLA) 15:36 to 17:33
This is literally a sub about moving to the DPRK and informing people about it.
Please stop using these ancient pathetic arguments.
>And remember supporting them means supporting Russia's war against Ukraine since the protection deal and weapon selling 👍
It is simply in the DPRK's interests to hinder western (mostly USA) imperialism.
Fair enough, don’t know too much about him before this, but he is in Pyongyang commenting on and sharing information re: public housing as a journalist. He traveled with the Russian press delegation to Pyongyang for this trip, so obviously he had some good access. This is not intended as an endorsement of his views outside the post.
Wtf? I can see why some communist parties would not support china as many think they are revisionist (i disagree) but then these guys support russia instead?
It’s a mod setting that causes comments / posts to require approval when the commenter / poster has low karma in the community or other red flags. It works pretty well …. some of the time.
Haters will call it propaganda.
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Propaganda usually means there is some deception going on.
A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink "I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says. "Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them." The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."
Perfect analog for this
Favourite east bloc joke
My personal favourite is that one: "What did Capitalism do in one year that Communism couldn't do in one hundred years? Make Communism look good."
It’s a propaganda tour, there’s no way to know if it’s deceptive or not.
No not necessarily, propaganda is just media used to drive a political narrative. It can be completely true or it can be deceptive
I wish more people understood this
Deception??? My word. There isn't such a thing. There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
Propaganda doesn't have to be deceptive, or even pretend to be real. For example, the [military entertainment complex](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93entertainment_complex). It's not an accident they have army recruitment booths outside showings of Top Gun.
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They do build them in NY and other ghettos. They are called “the projects” by the locals
Housing is a right for everyone in North Korea. All housing is public housing and is built to last, is not built in “ghettos” (there are none) and such housing is not set off in a way to be regarded as being “for poor people” or part of the “projects” etc. I grew up in Brooklyn and am very familiar with Section 8 housing. To give you a sense of the need for affordable housing, the Section 8 waitlist has been closed in NYC for 15 years with about 200K applicants. It recently reopened for a brief window of time and the total number of applications is now almost 650,000. The DPRK system is superior by all measures. It’s the way it should be.
Because they become slums without good local jobs. It just shows that housing is just one part of the problem, it won't fix anything, without adressing core issues.
It’s really the lack of maintenance. The feds paid to build them but provided no support to local governments for maintaining them. This was during a time when many cities were struggling so they fell into disrepair very quickly.
Not anymore and they've been selling them off slowly
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insanely based
This guy is pretty awesome. It's kinda nice to hear reporting that's not dripping with propaganda
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What's the story behind the username "InsurrectionBoner38"?
InsurrectionErection was taken
I think "insurrectionerectioninception" is still available.
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Source?
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Do you know what would happen if the soldier of any army began running to defect to the enemy side? They would be shot by almost any army. This isn’t a defector, it is a deserter.
Desertion is punishable by death without trial. It's done all over the world. There is no telling what state secrets those people held. Had I been in the American military and stationed in occupied Korea and suddenly took off across towards the DPRK I'd likely be shot in the back too
Interestingly enough, an American soldier did try to defect to the DPRK after dealing with unbearable amounts of racism amongst his peers and commanders. From what I recall, he was held by the DPRK and they made public his statements about how he was being treated by the US, he was released back into Western custody where he was promptly tortured and convicted of desertion
He also had credible allegations of physical and sexual assault, which is probably why the DPRK handed him back.
There are a lot of european countrys where its not the case. Because we dont havw a death penalty.
Running the border and deserting are two very different things. If they give you back you just get chaptered out of the Army after your jail sentence
Lol. Business insider. Such a reliable and neutral source of information! You sure showed us
Based. Another dude gave an answer for you. But why do people leave places like Nigeria, Mexico or India for other countries? Aren't they running by all the correct rules such as capitalism and liberal democracy? Blah blah blah, "Great societies build walls to keep the filthy poor out".
Trust me bro?
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Toyota bus in the goddam North Korea? Wtf?
Sometimes they'll trade through third parties. Likely a Chinese firm got them, and then turned around and sold it to the DPRK.
They import alots of vehicles from china
Он с Русскими? Он с русской туристической группой?
он ездил с представителями СМИ на визит Путина.
Does anyone here speak Russian/whichever Slavic language that is? I wanna know what they said in that little bit out of curiosity.
a little more tidbits about the houses built that they were built last year, 10,000 flats, just in this area, all for free. In three years total 30,000 apartments, so its linearly consistent. Don also added that "wow, so they're brand new"
Watch “Our Brothers and Sisters in the North” and “Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul”.
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You are advancing false claims with no basis in reality. Show your work or kindly fuck off. You will be banned in a few hours unless you reply to this comment with sources for your claims.
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Who says it is a paradise? What if I told you “defecting” is just “immigrating” and if a person could “defect” from their country for a bunch of money because they weren’t happy in their home country for any number of reasons, then lots of rational people might just do it because YOLO?
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Honestly man, I could expend the energy, but you’re just not worth it.
This is awesome! I wish if there were more spanish journalists covering this stuff as well.
That’s it. I’m moving!!!
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I’m sorry, anyone who calls Pyongyang public housing a “playground for the rich” is just too far gone and/or criminally stupid to keep in this community. Please never come back.
How many times are you able to see the ground in the video? They're on a high-level rail, so ofc you can't. There's also a shot of the ground level at around 22 secs to the end and you can see some people walking if you pause.
It is weird to me they chose to speak Russian instead of Korean or Mandarin, but there are quite a few pedestrians & other busses in the video. Edit: chose probably isn't the right word. I just find it weird the language of the bus driver / tour guide isn't one of the ones previously listed.
It’s a Russian delegation there as part of Putin’s visit. What language do you expect them to speak with their guests?
That makes significantly more sense! I genuinely had no idea which was why I found it weird the language was Russian.
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So, every comment that doesn't go with the narrative of this sub gets deleted? Wow, trust worthy sub /s
You know where this also happens for the last 30! Years? In Belgium, small country from the west where this is normal and nothing to brag about.
It makes me wonder how they look on the inside, or in 10 years
Unfortunately it is difficult to find videos of the interior of the buildings.
I think I’ve stumbled upon 1-2 - I’ll check later and share if I can find.
Thank you.
You like it so much then right? Go live there, tell us everhthing. We are waiting. And remember supporting them means supporting Russia's war against Ukraine since the protection deal and weapon selling 👍
This buffoonery is why this subreddit is called “Moving To North Korea” — the type of imbecilic thinking that anytime someone says something vaguely not insane about [insert foreign Enemy Country], the standard room temp IQ American response is “Well if you love it so much, why don’t you just move there!!!!11” — just wildly stupid in every way.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjwL1mSrPLA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjwL1mSrPLA) 15:36 to 17:33 This is literally a sub about moving to the DPRK and informing people about it. Please stop using these ancient pathetic arguments. >And remember supporting them means supporting Russia's war against Ukraine since the protection deal and weapon selling 👍 It is simply in the DPRK's interests to hinder western (mostly USA) imperialism.
Well this might be speculation, but it seems like the guy in the video is already there.
Holy fuck what is this sub … go outside people , do not swallow North Korean propaganda
Propaganda is when a journalist says anything about a place
Holy fuck what is this comment … go outside people, do not swallow Liberal propaganda.
That dude's a clown. I think he's in PCUSA and they are "patriotic socialists."
Fair enough, don’t know too much about him before this, but he is in Pyongyang commenting on and sharing information re: public housing as a journalist. He traveled with the Russian press delegation to Pyongyang for this trip, so obviously he had some good access. This is not intended as an endorsement of his views outside the post.
All I'm saying is be wary, mainly because PCUSA is anti-china and they think Russia is about to be the second coming of the USSR.
God patsocs are so dumb. Basically idealists masquerading as Marxists. Not to say they might not serve a useful function in the future.
Wtf? I can see why some communist parties would not support china as many think they are revisionist (i disagree) but then these guys support russia instead?
Yeah PCUSA is a weird group. That's why I left
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You are advancing false claims with no basis in reality. Show your work or kindly fuck off.
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Idiot is banned.
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As a point of comparison to a largely western audience. Are you okay?
Making insipid “points” here gets you banned.
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“dictatorship”…. Let me guess, you’re American?
What else would you call it? A monarchie? And btw im not from America.
Lol
You are advancing false claims with no basis in reality. You are a propagandized moron and now you are banned.
nk recently built a school withe gian pictures of marx and lenin in front. they dont give a fuck about the world
I love how every single post in this sub is about the USA. Maybe we should rename it to r/MovingToNorthAmerica
The video is from Pyongyang and the title is directly what this foreign journalist said. Deal with it.
What did he say?
Oh it got crowd controlled. Should be visible now.
Ah, thanks
What’s crowd controlled?
It’s a mod setting that causes comments / posts to require approval when the commenter / poster has low karma in the community or other red flags. It works pretty well …. some of the time.