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Most of reddit are reactionaries (both liberals and conservatives) who have been brainwashed by years of Western propaganda to hate any challenges to the imperialist capitalist status quo
They hate/fear what they don't understand and the Western education system/media has programmed them to stop critically thinking and accept their narrative without question
So you're saying liberals aren't actually 'brainwashed' into believing the ridiculous lies about the DPRK, but rather are willingly pretending to believe in them, because they don't like to hear that any other country is superior in some aspects compared to western countries?
I didn't write the essay but found many of the points worth thinking through.
It's interesting where the term comes from.
During the imperialist assault on Korea,
some American troops were defecting because they started to agree with the people they were sent to murder.
Instead of granting these solders autonomy they were labeled as brainwashed because there's no way a "good" apple pie eating American and anti-communist could see value in communism.
Personally I have found many friends and family over the years will accept certain truths about history but will only go so far.
A lot of the time they just don't want to know the history and the implications it presents.
People seek out things to reaffirm their beliefs.
Sure our society in the greater west shapes us from birth but any of us can learn at any point in time and it's easier now more then ever to sift through the bullshit propaganda.
People want to believe the DPRK is evil.
We have to admit this and find ways around it.
[This](https://daily.jstor.org/brainwashing-history/)
Is one of the citations from the essay .
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Indoctrination - "American Exceptionalism" - it's rooted and flows throughout the history/social studies curriculum (especially at a young age - the genocide of the native Americans, the slave trade, American slave society, "Manifest Destiny" to ethnically cleanse the Natives during westward expansion, American apartheid (Jim crow, segregation), American imperialism after industrialization during the Gilded age
Capitalism/Imperialism becomes American identity - continuity throughout time for American intervention to suppress socialist movements/ workers rights movements (domestic and abroad)
The end of WWII with the emergence of US hegemony as a superpower - accelerates aggression to neutralize any people's movement that challenges American dominance in Latin America, Asia, Africa, Europe
Any nation that is able to successfully survive the continuous onslaught (avoid regime change) and encirclement by the US and the West (DPRK, USSR, PRC, Cuba, Iran) is designated as a "hostile/enemy" by American students (in schools) and by American adults (with the media) to win public support for any future ambitions for intervention/conflict by the US military (and justify rampant public spending on the US military industrial complex - funneling/embezzling public taxpayer funds to the private sector in arms sales)
America needs to have designated "enemies" to be constantly in a state of "defensive" war to perpetually divert taxpayer dollars to the insatiable military expenditures for the private military contractors of the military industrial complex.
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it's not, i reccomend you watch a wee bit of [this playlist](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeVZRBEw_oXbbZAnUuOXep6AjbS0CH-IZ&si=XaekMUkuD2q7mltJ) if you're open minded & wanna hear why we think what we do
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Don’t know, we the public don’t have information. Almost every single piece of news we get about NK is from SK tabloid papers. Maybe some of the stuff is even true but we don’t know because America has lied about so much shit how are we supposed to know what’s truth or not?
But we do have plenty information of bad dictatorships that America gives money and have military bases in.
There’s a question of reliability when they’re financially coerced:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart
Defectors whose stories are outright lies:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/prominent-n-korean-defector-shin-dong-hyuk-admits-parts-of-story-are-inaccurate/2015/01/17/fc69278c-9dd5-11e4-bcfb-059ec7a93ddc_story.html
Defectors who’ve been forced to leave against their will:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/04/world/asia/north-korea-waitresses-defector.html
There’s cases of sensationalized stories of defections that have been revealed with more context:
https://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20180123000857
And most infamously Park Yeonmi whose stories are wildly inconsistent:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/07/16/yeonmi-park-conservative-defector-stories-questioned/
Being a defector alone asserts a person is dissatisfied with their country to the point of defection. A person could defect from any country including the US but there’s always an implicit bias. The voices of many north Koreans who have positive opinions are often disregarded/ignored and assumed to be brainwashed.
defectors get abducted and tortured by the South Korean NIS under the National Security Act of Korea that was established by the Rhee dictatorship. They go through a rigorous programme of 'deprogramming' where psychological torture is employed.
[This on top of the fact once they agree, they can be paid up to 860k usd for their 'testimonies'](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39170614)
[this documentary goes into detail about defectors, here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktE_3PrJZO0)
Liberalism views self sufficient societies outside of capitalism as closed off cults. They'd prefer to see them as primitive and subhuman, but the socialist states have proven their technological proficiency, so instead they are painted as despotic and dystopian, the modern equivalent of being an "uncivilized tribe" (which liberals view as cults as well). The white world hates all of them for escaping their machinations.
Some reactionary lib I know made a comment about how “North Korea brainwashes its soldiers to think Americans are EVIL!”
Like gee, what did the USA ever DO to North Korea to make them hate the U.S.? If they hate America, it MUST be because of brainwashing! It’s not like they have REAL reasons to hate America, right?
The site is full of psyops.
In 2013, Reddit admins did an oopsy-whoopsy and accidentally revealed that the Eglin Air Force Base was the #1 most reddit-addicted "city" (Eglin is often cited as the source of government social-media propaganda/astroturfing programs). They deleted the post, but not before archive.org caught it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160410083943/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html?m=1
I don't think seeing North Korea as a dystopian dictatorship is the result of any sort of psy-op. Seems pretty damn obvious that it's a horrible place to live in for the average person
You don't think that people see the dprk negatively because there is a wall to wall policy of blanket negative coverage and genuinely false content constantly churned out about it?
Seems obvious based on what? The garbage that the NIS puts out? Do you ever critically analyse where any of your information actually comes from?
More than half the capitalist world is a much worse place for the average person. You only need to look at life expectancy data to see that ffs.
You can see that it's a horrible place to live from the propaganda that the DPRK produces itself, no outside content necessary. Please tell me about the positives of living there though, and how happy the people who live there are.
the Jong Un family are genuine dictators who live in opulence far beyond that of the average person who lives within the DPRK, they do not represent communist ideals nor do they respect the Proletariat. They use the common worker to prop up their rule and have little consideration for them beyond that. That is not Marxism, it's a family using the tenants of communism for their own gain and little else. What has convinced you that it's a wonderful place to move to? North Korea has a lower life expectancy than most developed countries, and a significantly lower life expectancy than South Korea.
>What has convinced you that it's a wonderful place to move to? North Korea has a lower life expectancy than most developed countries, and a significantly lower life expectancy than South Korea.
Why is that bellend?
The US murdered 1 FIFTH of the entire population. Imagine 1 in 5 of every single fucking person you know in your life, extinguished.
Through the use of the UN they then trade blockaded the country harder than Cuba is. And banned their entire population from working abroad anywhere else in the world.
The population of DPRK isn't kept there. The border with China is open and basically unpoliced. People travel backwards and forwards on it every day. It is UN Council Resolution 2397 that enforces the country's isolation.
I've ACTUALLY been to the country. Have you?
>the Jong Un family are genuine dictators
This is just genuinely incorrect, and obviously coloured by the emotional feelings you've allowed bourgeoise media to riddle you with. His role is elected, the problem is that there is a cultural belief that they need the strong link to the revolution to maintain stability, so they keep electing kims to the position. Nothing is mechanically stopping them from electing someone else and it will eventually occur. I personally live in the UK though, where we have an actual monarchy, that people actually support and approve of. I am well aware that these cultural feelings exist and aren't unusual in a population.
You should really learn and compare:
https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/b429ebd5-750d-4bcc-a336-86fb2f92efd1.png
You've never actually examined this topic from the perspective of communists. You've always simply accepted the liberal media take on it and have never really dived into learning what the communist take is. Have you? All your information is from libs and you've never wondered whether that might not be the best source to get information on this from.
Reddit is a western populated app, they like to say "North Korea bad, China bad, Russia bad. Usa good" as the usa starts another war and fuels multiple others just to make a profit, it's a circle of patting each other on the back
American social medias are structured in a way they incentivize hateful engagement with content.
And because western audiences were brainwashed for years to hate anything that is not america and western europe... well, you get it.
Propaganda has put a hole in their brain that shouldn't be there, and simultaneously filled the hole with either an artificial feeling of hatred, or siphoned their feelings away from valid targets.
Reddit is the perfect platform for all kinds of actors to spread propaganda. Post things you want to spread on a big sub, buy some upvotes, get to the front page. Cultivate certain sentiments within a sub you are targeting. Get moderation rights and ban people who post wrong ideas or who post in smaller subs which you dislike.
This all lead to the front page becoming the ultra liberal hell hole it is today. Far beyond anything you would ever see anywhere else.
Young people then go to reddit and do not even realise how outrageous the things that get upvoted to the front page are. This is not 4chan after all, reddit does not have a reputation for spreading radicalism or racism.
I don’t know. This is the only time I hear about it anymore. As far as I’m concerned, it’s just another place. It’s not my place to try to solve the world’s problems by concerning myself with some country for simply existing.
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Because reddit is full of close minded white americans, indoctrinated through a western school system, and who view the world exclusively through a western lense. They have no idea or any concept of the korean war, nor can they fathom a cultural divide different from their own.
To be fair, people value true democracy.
But why care about what other people think? I think everyone deserves the freedom to choose whatever they like.
Is this one of those subs that started as a joke but then it got overwhelmed by people that thought it was serious? Or is it just semi-ironic like loveforlandchads
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I mean, sort of but not? The US was founded when Mozart was a strapping young lad. It's changed a lot in 250 years, no? How about UK? No one even knows how the UK was formed anymore, since it's been around for so long. Egbert? Ethelred? Kinda irrelevant.
What are you trying to talk about?
I’m saying the US involvement in the Korean War of the 1950’s goes directly hand in hand with how the North operates today, 60 years later and since the division of Korea.
Where did you get 250 years ago from?
other way around, it got started in earnest (my bet is some DPRK factotum was like "this reddit thing, it can persuade people in the west, let's try it") and it's a beautiful place to skate the line between obsequious praise and obvious self-parody.
Creating infrastructure to make food and other necessities for its citizens > spending all their money and resources on nukes and funding dictators….. not a good model
Since you seem to ask in good faith.
There is an economy that rewards people for making the most ridiculous stories, backed by right wing NGOs.
Check out "Loyal Citizens of Pyonyang" for a perspective different from the mainstream.
The more ruthless the testimony the better, and you can get huge speaking fees for it. So no, the famous defector stories should not be trusted, especially the most famous one Yeonmi Park contradicts herself so much its obvious to anyone investigating even a little that she is making stuff up.
I mean, people in the world know how unequal the US is, but no one gets paid for it. If it's so glorious, what's the incentive to pay people to lie? Wouldn't there be even more people willing to proselytize about how great the DPRK is? Democracy of information and all that. Why would anyone have a particular vendetta against DPRK in particular when there are almost 200 countries in the world, all of which have huge gigantic problems, including mine?
The US has a lot of problems that people can acknowledge, but you can discuss the problems with the people from the country. Can we talk to anyone from DPRK directly? Are there folks from DPRK on this thread? If not, why not? Because Reddit isn't worthy of them? Who decides?
I'm an American and I find the Supreme Court's decision abhorrent and antithetical to everything I believe about a democratic state, and the US is the least democratic of so-called democracies because of the lack of proportional representation in every arena of government. The US has a shitload of problems, and it lacks a communitarian spirit.
Can we criticize DPRK as freely? The beauty in America is that we can say how much it sucks and (at least right now) not get executed or sent to a camp for it.
You can criticize America as long as you pose no threat.
Ask Assange, Snowden, Winner...
If you find it hard to believe someone might lie, look up operation earnest voice. An intelligence agency capable of that (using, influencing and encouraging jihadist ideology to destabilize entire countries) has no concerns about making their own population believe any country that does not bend the knee is somehow an atrocious 1984 authoritharian dictatorship.
Its important people don't think alternative forms of governance (like the ones where the workers hold power instead of profits) are redeemable at all.
Rightfully, most people despise outright violent subjugation. In reality, they depend upon and put faith into it endlessly so long as they are pacified with instant gratification and the illusion of political representation. When it comes to comparing political systems 'none of the above' is the only ethical conclusion. There are no heroes here.
I like how you're downvoted but no one actually answers the question. But I think the actual answer is that Reddit would become too enlightened and then its business model would collapse when they realize Juche > Capitalists.
Be born in North Korea,work for 18 hours a day, every saturday and sunday you have to smile before the statue and you have to work more and more just so you can keep your smile and never know what us happening in the world and you cannot pray, because there is no religion.
Source?
Oh wait I know the source, its "common sense", or in other words whatever the media of your choice that you uncritically believe, have told you.
Why would anyone lie about a geopolitical enemy and distort what you think, it must be all true, even the most ridiculous BS you spout in your comment.
Not like there is a huge financial incentive to keep people scared and skeptical of anyone who does not play by our ruling class' rules..
His source is: Trust me bro. And for that he is unwelcome back in this community.
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Most of Reddit is savvy to obvious propaganda and when a subreddit is cleansed of any negative or non-approved ideas.
Suggestion: allow this sub to display possibly negative aspects of North Korea, and let the readers decide for themselves!
American audiences won't be interested when if the content is clearly sanitized.
Or if there were actual people from North Korea engaging in lively discourse, including discourse critical of the current regime (as I am of my regime in the US), it would be a lot more convincing. I love this sub though. It helps me learn more about DPRK, if only what the higher echelons of DPRK want the west to believe, and how they interact with the west.
Yeah, because you probably live in a country that exploits other countries so that you can enjoy your luxurious life.
You practically live off of the bodies of people in the Third World.
North Korea is Internationally sanctioned and uncritically vilified, no shit they can have a few shortages every 25 years now and then.
Btw, North Korea is not going through the arduous march anymore, Citizens can eat food there. Watch [my Brothers and sisters in the north](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBqeC8ihsO8) to get yourself educated.
Me personally I don't hate the people and think it's the same for most. We hate the North Korean Government. To threaten the world with nukes all the time while you starve your own people. The system there has people believe that their ruler doesn't poop or pee.... they think he can read your mind. The government there is the epitome of using power to play yout people.
Most people in a sub like this however may be romanticized by the life of North Korea.... but then I look at their profiles and they play videos games (can't do that there) love things like YouTube and social media (can't do that there)
I mean shit this sub wouldn't even be allowed in Nkrth Korea unless it was heavily monitored and tracked.
So no I don't think people hate North Korea. We just want the people to live a better life, have no overlords who literally will starve them to buy parts for a shitty rocket that barely flies and constantly threatening its neighbors and the US...
I mean look at South Korea one of the globes highest GDP and standards of living.... high literacy and a successful country. Kids can play video games and make music etc...
What factors make this so?
Those are why we don't like thr North Korean government.
It could be because our glorious leader doesn't let the citizens leave the country. I wonder why he does that? What's little Kim so afraid of?
Glory to Pyongyang.
Riiiight because when those who do defect to the west, the DPRK government is super nice and lets their kids and family emigrate to where they are. What becomes of the family left behind, just out of curiosity, and for how many generations?
Can you please source your claims of us falling for propaganda? If anything, you're the one here who believes everything that your big rich daddy billionaires tell you.
Basically just paints a pretty picture for the country got it, this sub Reddit is weird tho, I can’t tell if people are really serious about liking North Korea or they’re just fucking around
Wow, I thought this a satirical subreddit. Reddit doesn't hate North Korea nearly as much as they should. It's essentially an open-air prison for millions of North Koreans who have been forced to stay in the 19th Century without electricity and running water; leaving millions of North Korean children suffering from hunger everyday of their lives. Its fucking disgusting to support something this evil. Typical reddit. I'll block this subreddit from my feed after this post. Sick fuckers.
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Most of reddit are reactionaries (both liberals and conservatives) who have been brainwashed by years of Western propaganda to hate any challenges to the imperialist capitalist status quo They hate/fear what they don't understand and the Western education system/media has programmed them to stop critically thinking and accept their narrative without question
Interesting essay on brainwashing, [Here](https://redsails.org/brainwashing/)
So you're saying liberals aren't actually 'brainwashed' into believing the ridiculous lies about the DPRK, but rather are willingly pretending to believe in them, because they don't like to hear that any other country is superior in some aspects compared to western countries?
I didn't write the essay but found many of the points worth thinking through. It's interesting where the term comes from. During the imperialist assault on Korea, some American troops were defecting because they started to agree with the people they were sent to murder. Instead of granting these solders autonomy they were labeled as brainwashed because there's no way a "good" apple pie eating American and anti-communist could see value in communism. Personally I have found many friends and family over the years will accept certain truths about history but will only go so far. A lot of the time they just don't want to know the history and the implications it presents. People seek out things to reaffirm their beliefs. Sure our society in the greater west shapes us from birth but any of us can learn at any point in time and it's easier now more then ever to sift through the bullshit propaganda. People want to believe the DPRK is evil. We have to admit this and find ways around it. [This](https://daily.jstor.org/brainwashing-history/) Is one of the citations from the essay .
amazing article, thank you
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This is so well put and true
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 You are not defending NORTH KOREA
Can you get specific here? What exactly are they brainwashed about? And can you provide evidence to the contrary.
Indoctrination - "American Exceptionalism" - it's rooted and flows throughout the history/social studies curriculum (especially at a young age - the genocide of the native Americans, the slave trade, American slave society, "Manifest Destiny" to ethnically cleanse the Natives during westward expansion, American apartheid (Jim crow, segregation), American imperialism after industrialization during the Gilded age Capitalism/Imperialism becomes American identity - continuity throughout time for American intervention to suppress socialist movements/ workers rights movements (domestic and abroad) The end of WWII with the emergence of US hegemony as a superpower - accelerates aggression to neutralize any people's movement that challenges American dominance in Latin America, Asia, Africa, Europe Any nation that is able to successfully survive the continuous onslaught (avoid regime change) and encirclement by the US and the West (DPRK, USSR, PRC, Cuba, Iran) is designated as a "hostile/enemy" by American students (in schools) and by American adults (with the media) to win public support for any future ambitions for intervention/conflict by the US military (and justify rampant public spending on the US military industrial complex - funneling/embezzling public taxpayer funds to the private sector in arms sales) America needs to have designated "enemies" to be constantly in a state of "defensive" war to perpetually divert taxpayer dollars to the insatiable military expenditures for the private military contractors of the military industrial complex.
I’m asking specifically about N Korea. What about that place are we wrong about?
who ?
For starters, ask any of them why do you really hate NK?
Yea seriously, everyone here on reddit sucks the balls of the imperialist usa it makes my stomach turn every time I see
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it's not, i reccomend you watch a wee bit of [this playlist](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeVZRBEw_oXbbZAnUuOXep6AjbS0CH-IZ&si=XaekMUkuD2q7mltJ) if you're open minded & wanna hear why we think what we do
why would anyone make a satirical sub about the greatest country on Earth? The beacon of peace, freedom and prosperity?
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Brainwashing from birth. What a coincidence that all of America’s enemies are evil dictators! That means Americans is the good guys!!
Is North Korea a good dictatorship?
Don’t know, we the public don’t have information. Almost every single piece of news we get about NK is from SK tabloid papers. Maybe some of the stuff is even true but we don’t know because America has lied about so much shit how are we supposed to know what’s truth or not? But we do have plenty information of bad dictatorships that America gives money and have military bases in.
What about what actual North Korean defectors say?
There’s a question of reliability when they’re financially coerced: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart Defectors whose stories are outright lies: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/prominent-n-korean-defector-shin-dong-hyuk-admits-parts-of-story-are-inaccurate/2015/01/17/fc69278c-9dd5-11e4-bcfb-059ec7a93ddc_story.html Defectors who’ve been forced to leave against their will: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/04/world/asia/north-korea-waitresses-defector.html There’s cases of sensationalized stories of defections that have been revealed with more context: https://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20180123000857 And most infamously Park Yeonmi whose stories are wildly inconsistent: https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/07/16/yeonmi-park-conservative-defector-stories-questioned/ Being a defector alone asserts a person is dissatisfied with their country to the point of defection. A person could defect from any country including the US but there’s always an implicit bias. The voices of many north Koreans who have positive opinions are often disregarded/ignored and assumed to be brainwashed.
yeonmi park has ruined the credibility of all 'north korean defectors' forever.
The defectors that get paid $860,000 to tell stories?
What about the Northerners who get abducted by south korea and are forbidden to return to their homes and families?
defectors get abducted and tortured by the South Korean NIS under the National Security Act of Korea that was established by the Rhee dictatorship. They go through a rigorous programme of 'deprogramming' where psychological torture is employed. [This on top of the fact once they agree, they can be paid up to 860k usd for their 'testimonies'](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39170614) [this documentary goes into detail about defectors, here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktE_3PrJZO0)
As opposed to the dictatorship of Capital and being subjects of an imperialist empire ?
Because they need the bourgeois media to tell them how to think
Liberalism views self sufficient societies outside of capitalism as closed off cults. They'd prefer to see them as primitive and subhuman, but the socialist states have proven their technological proficiency, so instead they are painted as despotic and dystopian, the modern equivalent of being an "uncivilized tribe" (which liberals view as cults as well). The white world hates all of them for escaping their machinations.
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No, that's the US you're thinking of. The DPRK is just saying they will defend themselves
No it doesn't. North Korea has a no-first-strike policy
Unlike a country that’s used nuclear weapons against civilians
Lmfao
Some reactionary lib I know made a comment about how “North Korea brainwashes its soldiers to think Americans are EVIL!” Like gee, what did the USA ever DO to North Korea to make them hate the U.S.? If they hate America, it MUST be because of brainwashing! It’s not like they have REAL reasons to hate America, right?
Suuurely America didn’t cull 15% of the Korean population because they wanted to remain unified!
20%*
The site is full of psyops. In 2013, Reddit admins did an oopsy-whoopsy and accidentally revealed that the Eglin Air Force Base was the #1 most reddit-addicted "city" (Eglin is often cited as the source of government social-media propaganda/astroturfing programs). They deleted the post, but not before archive.org caught it. https://web.archive.org/web/20160410083943/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html?m=1
I don't think seeing North Korea as a dystopian dictatorship is the result of any sort of psy-op. Seems pretty damn obvious that it's a horrible place to live in for the average person
You don't think that people see the dprk negatively because there is a wall to wall policy of blanket negative coverage and genuinely false content constantly churned out about it? Seems obvious based on what? The garbage that the NIS puts out? Do you ever critically analyse where any of your information actually comes from? More than half the capitalist world is a much worse place for the average person. You only need to look at life expectancy data to see that ffs.
You can see that it's a horrible place to live from the propaganda that the DPRK produces itself, no outside content necessary. Please tell me about the positives of living there though, and how happy the people who live there are. the Jong Un family are genuine dictators who live in opulence far beyond that of the average person who lives within the DPRK, they do not represent communist ideals nor do they respect the Proletariat. They use the common worker to prop up their rule and have little consideration for them beyond that. That is not Marxism, it's a family using the tenants of communism for their own gain and little else. What has convinced you that it's a wonderful place to move to? North Korea has a lower life expectancy than most developed countries, and a significantly lower life expectancy than South Korea.
>What has convinced you that it's a wonderful place to move to? North Korea has a lower life expectancy than most developed countries, and a significantly lower life expectancy than South Korea. Why is that bellend? The US murdered 1 FIFTH of the entire population. Imagine 1 in 5 of every single fucking person you know in your life, extinguished. Through the use of the UN they then trade blockaded the country harder than Cuba is. And banned their entire population from working abroad anywhere else in the world. The population of DPRK isn't kept there. The border with China is open and basically unpoliced. People travel backwards and forwards on it every day. It is UN Council Resolution 2397 that enforces the country's isolation. I've ACTUALLY been to the country. Have you? >the Jong Un family are genuine dictators This is just genuinely incorrect, and obviously coloured by the emotional feelings you've allowed bourgeoise media to riddle you with. His role is elected, the problem is that there is a cultural belief that they need the strong link to the revolution to maintain stability, so they keep electing kims to the position. Nothing is mechanically stopping them from electing someone else and it will eventually occur. I personally live in the UK though, where we have an actual monarchy, that people actually support and approve of. I am well aware that these cultural feelings exist and aren't unusual in a population. You should really learn and compare: https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/b429ebd5-750d-4bcc-a336-86fb2f92efd1.png You've never actually examined this topic from the perspective of communists. You've always simply accepted the liberal media take on it and have never really dived into learning what the communist take is. Have you? All your information is from libs and you've never wondered whether that might not be the best source to get information on this from.
this website is ran by feds. of course they are going to hate dprk.
its a racist/propaganda filled site coming here for anything other than niche problem solving is foolish imo
Reddit is a western populated app, they like to say "North Korea bad, China bad, Russia bad. Usa good" as the usa starts another war and fuels multiple others just to make a profit, it's a circle of patting each other on the back
American social medias are structured in a way they incentivize hateful engagement with content. And because western audiences were brainwashed for years to hate anything that is not america and western europe... well, you get it.
While I agree with your point about American social media, [this](https://redsails.org/brainwashing/) is an interesting essay on brainwashing
I will read it as soon as I get home. Thanks for sharing it.
Propaganda and bad attempts at humor
Most of Reddit is the US Air Force.
Propaganda has put a hole in their brain that shouldn't be there, and simultaneously filled the hole with either an artificial feeling of hatred, or siphoned their feelings away from valid targets.
Reddit is the perfect platform for all kinds of actors to spread propaganda. Post things you want to spread on a big sub, buy some upvotes, get to the front page. Cultivate certain sentiments within a sub you are targeting. Get moderation rights and ban people who post wrong ideas or who post in smaller subs which you dislike. This all lead to the front page becoming the ultra liberal hell hole it is today. Far beyond anything you would ever see anywhere else. Young people then go to reddit and do not even realise how outrageous the things that get upvoted to the front page are. This is not 4chan after all, reddit does not have a reputation for spreading radicalism or racism.
Programming
Same reason US keeps electing idiots
I'd say it's not hate. It's just envy because they don't live in NK.
Because the liberal swine are bedridden and cannot go outside to see the glorious progress that has been made because of our dear supreme leader.
They’re just jealous they dont live in NK, the pizza is good.
Lot of zionists
Reddit seems to have a large liberal/neo-liberal user base, so inevitably their views would not match with North Korea enjoyers views.
red scare and anti-DPRK propaganda
I don’t know. This is the only time I hear about it anymore. As far as I’m concerned, it’s just another place. It’s not my place to try to solve the world’s problems by concerning myself with some country for simply existing.
Because people are able to think critically and ask themselves why they've never been able to speak to a North Korean.
What are you talking about? All I see on here are glowing reviews of NK...
Hahahahahaha
Maybe report back when you can post this question on reddit while living in NK
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What?
Huh?
Fuck wrong post
ga ga
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I love this guy
ironically or satirically?
Try saying anything neutral (much less positive) about Russia or the Soviet Union, which (despite Ukraine) is tainted by association with N. Korea
Wow a subreddit dedicated to fascism… show less of this Downvote me more please I’ve seen what you upvote
Lol is this sub even real?
“It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” -Norm MacDonald
because its fucking north korea dude, jesus christ what the hell is wrong with yall
Because reddit is full of close minded white americans, indoctrinated through a western school system, and who view the world exclusively through a western lense. They have no idea or any concept of the korean war, nor can they fathom a cultural divide different from their own.
The US made North Korea, much like how they made ISIS and contributed to the Khmer Rouge
You mean the us made south korea
To be fair, people value true democracy. But why care about what other people think? I think everyone deserves the freedom to choose whatever they like.
Is this one of those subs that started as a joke but then it got overwhelmed by people that thought it was serious? Or is it just semi-ironic like loveforlandchads
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How the DPRK came about is a much less interesting question than how they continue to operate their state but ok
But they go hand in hand?
I mean, sort of but not? The US was founded when Mozart was a strapping young lad. It's changed a lot in 250 years, no? How about UK? No one even knows how the UK was formed anymore, since it's been around for so long. Egbert? Ethelred? Kinda irrelevant.
What are you trying to talk about? I’m saying the US involvement in the Korean War of the 1950’s goes directly hand in hand with how the North operates today, 60 years later and since the division of Korea. Where did you get 250 years ago from?
other way around, it got started in earnest (my bet is some DPRK factotum was like "this reddit thing, it can persuade people in the west, let's try it") and it's a beautiful place to skate the line between obsequious praise and obvious self-parody.
Creating infrastructure to make food and other necessities for its citizens > spending all their money and resources on nukes and funding dictators….. not a good model
So from what Im seeing in these comments, the stories from the few people who have escaped have no credibility?
Since you seem to ask in good faith. There is an economy that rewards people for making the most ridiculous stories, backed by right wing NGOs. Check out "Loyal Citizens of Pyonyang" for a perspective different from the mainstream. The more ruthless the testimony the better, and you can get huge speaking fees for it. So no, the famous defector stories should not be trusted, especially the most famous one Yeonmi Park contradicts herself so much its obvious to anyone investigating even a little that she is making stuff up.
I mean, people in the world know how unequal the US is, but no one gets paid for it. If it's so glorious, what's the incentive to pay people to lie? Wouldn't there be even more people willing to proselytize about how great the DPRK is? Democracy of information and all that. Why would anyone have a particular vendetta against DPRK in particular when there are almost 200 countries in the world, all of which have huge gigantic problems, including mine? The US has a lot of problems that people can acknowledge, but you can discuss the problems with the people from the country. Can we talk to anyone from DPRK directly? Are there folks from DPRK on this thread? If not, why not? Because Reddit isn't worthy of them? Who decides? I'm an American and I find the Supreme Court's decision abhorrent and antithetical to everything I believe about a democratic state, and the US is the least democratic of so-called democracies because of the lack of proportional representation in every arena of government. The US has a shitload of problems, and it lacks a communitarian spirit. Can we criticize DPRK as freely? The beauty in America is that we can say how much it sucks and (at least right now) not get executed or sent to a camp for it.
You can criticize America as long as you pose no threat. Ask Assange, Snowden, Winner... If you find it hard to believe someone might lie, look up operation earnest voice. An intelligence agency capable of that (using, influencing and encouraging jihadist ideology to destabilize entire countries) has no concerns about making their own population believe any country that does not bend the knee is somehow an atrocious 1984 authoritharian dictatorship. Its important people don't think alternative forms of governance (like the ones where the workers hold power instead of profits) are redeemable at all.
Why did they leave/escape in the first place then if we can't trust the testimony?
Of course not
Hate is a strong word, I don't know if an application can truly hate.
It might have something to do with their nuclear weapons and threatening everyone around them.
Who are you talking about? The US?
Are you describing Israel or the United States?
We need Trump in the White House for this reason.
The sole communist objective in the region will be to liquidate all capitalists who live in Arab countries under the patronage of the United States
lol wow those definitely are words
Rightfully, most people despise outright violent subjugation. In reality, they depend upon and put faith into it endlessly so long as they are pacified with instant gratification and the illusion of political representation. When it comes to comparing political systems 'none of the above' is the only ethical conclusion. There are no heroes here.
You clearly learned to write post-cursive era.
What is he talking about
“You’re young and I hate it!” *shakes cane at sky*
Why does everyone in this sub love it when Reddit is illegal in North Korea? Curious 🧐
I like how you're downvoted but no one actually answers the question. But I think the actual answer is that Reddit would become too enlightened and then its business model would collapse when they realize Juche > Capitalists.
Be born in North Korea,work for 18 hours a day, every saturday and sunday you have to smile before the statue and you have to work more and more just so you can keep your smile and never know what us happening in the world and you cannot pray, because there is no religion.
Source? Oh wait I know the source, its "common sense", or in other words whatever the media of your choice that you uncritically believe, have told you. Why would anyone lie about a geopolitical enemy and distort what you think, it must be all true, even the most ridiculous BS you spout in your comment. Not like there is a huge financial incentive to keep people scared and skeptical of anyone who does not play by our ruling class' rules..
Do you have source for that?
Kim Jong Un, baby
also no food
Source?
Kim Jong un
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What’s your source for the claim that NK forces their citizens to pray to statues of North Korean leaders?
His source is Liberal propaganda or probably "common sense". Basically pulling this point out of their ass
His source is: Trust me bro. And for that he is unwelcome back in this community. **Notice to all:** Parroting bullshit claims about the DPRK with no credible source will get you banned.
Congratulations for mindlessly parroting the words of Man on TV. Since your comment is of so little value, however, it has been removed. You are hereby [sentenced to 60-minutes of re-education courtesy of Michael Parenti](https://youtu.be/LPO7sd0X1ds?si=qUgwBI8t52qfDJqb).
I love not having human rights
Yeah, because you probably live in the US, right? Or in South Korea or In Yemen, or Moldova, or South Africa.
Which human rights do North Koreans miss?
The question should be which right they have .
Article 13 and probably most of the others as well
Now what part of article 13?
Most of Reddit is savvy to obvious propaganda and when a subreddit is cleansed of any negative or non-approved ideas. Suggestion: allow this sub to display possibly negative aspects of North Korea, and let the readers decide for themselves! American audiences won't be interested when if the content is clearly sanitized.
Or if there were actual people from North Korea engaging in lively discourse, including discourse critical of the current regime (as I am of my regime in the US), it would be a lot more convincing. I love this sub though. It helps me learn more about DPRK, if only what the higher echelons of DPRK want the west to believe, and how they interact with the west.
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They’ll never put their money where their mouth is these fucks just like to talk and get off on it
F O O D
Because we like being able to eat food
Yeah, because you probably live in a country that exploits other countries so that you can enjoy your luxurious life. You practically live off of the bodies of people in the Third World. North Korea is Internationally sanctioned and uncritically vilified, no shit they can have a few shortages every 25 years now and then. Btw, North Korea is not going through the arduous march anymore, Citizens can eat food there. Watch [my Brothers and sisters in the north](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBqeC8ihsO8) to get yourself educated.
Me personally I don't hate the people and think it's the same for most. We hate the North Korean Government. To threaten the world with nukes all the time while you starve your own people. The system there has people believe that their ruler doesn't poop or pee.... they think he can read your mind. The government there is the epitome of using power to play yout people. Most people in a sub like this however may be romanticized by the life of North Korea.... but then I look at their profiles and they play videos games (can't do that there) love things like YouTube and social media (can't do that there) I mean shit this sub wouldn't even be allowed in Nkrth Korea unless it was heavily monitored and tracked. So no I don't think people hate North Korea. We just want the people to live a better life, have no overlords who literally will starve them to buy parts for a shitty rocket that barely flies and constantly threatening its neighbors and the US... I mean look at South Korea one of the globes highest GDP and standards of living.... high literacy and a successful country. Kids can play video games and make music etc... What factors make this so? Those are why we don't like thr North Korean government.
Are you in favor of the economic blockade by the UN?
It could be because our glorious leader doesn't let the citizens leave the country. I wonder why he does that? What's little Kim so afraid of? Glory to Pyongyang.
Correction the west doesnt let them leave
Riiiight because when those who do defect to the west, the DPRK government is super nice and lets their kids and family emigrate to where they are. What becomes of the family left behind, just out of curiosity, and for how many generations?
Watch Loyal citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul and then try and ask yourself this again.
FUCK North Korea. All my homies fucking HATE North Korea.
People legit like North Korea? And why
Because of propaganda. A lot of propaganda. And stupidity. A lot, and I mean a real lot of stupidity
Can you please source your claims of us falling for propaganda? If anything, you're the one here who believes everything that your big rich daddy billionaires tell you.
I mean every country has they’re propaganda that people fall for, some more obvious than the others
Wait so people are actually falling for North Korean propaganda??
Watch [my brothers and sisters in the north](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBqeC8ihsO8) to actually know why people are "falling" for "it".
Basically just paints a pretty picture for the country got it, this sub Reddit is weird tho, I can’t tell if people are really serious about liking North Korea or they’re just fucking around
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Wow, I thought this a satirical subreddit. Reddit doesn't hate North Korea nearly as much as they should. It's essentially an open-air prison for millions of North Koreans who have been forced to stay in the 19th Century without electricity and running water; leaving millions of North Korean children suffering from hunger everyday of their lives. Its fucking disgusting to support something this evil. Typical reddit. I'll block this subreddit from my feed after this post. Sick fuckers.
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So did I holy shit