This is the world they want, not safe to use any public facilities. They just want us in the closet or dead.
Fuckin fence sitters and "centrists" and their excuse making is what allows extremists to pervert the law and society into what we're seeing play out across the nation and abroad.
I remember a post on here from a couple of months ago where a girl went into the women’s bathroom, was literally YANKED out by an older man, told she wasn’t going in the same room as his wife. So she flatly goes “Okay” and starts walking into the men’s room. The man grapples her again and pulls a knife. You hit the nail on the head
This is so fucked. And she was even using the bathroom they wanted her to fucking use too (the boys bathroom) and that's still not good enough for these bigoted people. Because they don't want trans people in any public spaces at all. That's why the bathroom bans is such bullshit because now trans women have to use the men's room and trans men have to use the women's room, putting them into even more dangerous situations than they would be in if they got to use the bathroom aligning with their gender identity. Every bathroom should be single occupancy and gender neutral.
>Because they don't want trans people in any public spaces at all.
This.
It's not about what restroom we use.
It's not about what pronouns we use.
It's not about what sports we play.
It's not about when, or if, we can medically transition.
They don't want us to exist at all. They don't want us to even exist.
They want us in the closet, ashamed, in hiding. . .and to be free to exterminate us if we ever come out.
Sometimes, I joke that the LGBTQ+ community should claim to be a religion, then we would have some actual real protections under the religious freedom restoration act. There's the expansion of title IX, which will now include anti-discrimination protections for students on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity and would prohibit schools from barring transgender students from using bathrooms, changing facilities and pronouns that correspond with their gender identities. But, of course all the maga red states are suing the government over it because "Waaaahhh I have to respect queer people! Waaahh I'm such a victim of equality!". They may not want us here, but we are here and we are not going anywhere no matter how hard they try. We just have to support each other and stay united. ❤️❤️
I’m technically an ordained reverend. As a Satanist I’ve thought a lot about how Baphomet represents duality. Alive and dead, male and female, hoof and wing. They are all these things simultaneously.
I basically can’t go any further without essentially writing a sermon, but the point is that I’ve actually been thinking about how to form an explicitly queer form of satanic/left-hand religious ideology. There’s something so uniquely core to the queer experience that I think having our own cultural mythology would be nice. Having our own religious identity.
Or to put it another way, **if anyone actually wants to make gay-church I’m super down for that!**
I love this so much! I was actually watching "We're Here" on HBO and (SPOILERS)
In the last episode, the pastor of this church welcomed the queens (Latrice Royal, Priyanka and Sasha Velour) and wanted them to perform a huge show inside the church because they could not find one place to have the show in this little backwater town of Oklahoma. He told them something along the lines of "drag is a ministry of love, acceptance and self expression that needs to be heard by more people", and that idea just really stuck with me since then. Also, in a previous episode, this young teenage girl was reading a statement her dad wrote aloud infront of a city council meeting saying we are all part of the LGBTQ+ Religious Cult. I said to myself, "Oh hunny, if we were a religious cult, then we would actually be protected from people like you". So, I am all for starting an LGBTQ+ Church 🙌🙌
You can do it, I believe in you! 😊❤️❤️
If you haven't watched it yet, I think you'd really love "We're Here", specifically the last season. It might give you some more inspiration for your writing! 😊🙌
I’m just in the movement of christianity that realized that it is not as against queer as people thought, just as it is not against jews as it was thought. I refuse to let them take my faith away, and run headlong into it. What’s really gratifying is how it bothers them so much or they end up coming to our side. Either way it disrupts their power
I think that being trans disrupts a worldview built on hierarchies and especially a patriarchal one that attempts to place women in a lesser status.
By treating hierarchies as fluid and changing rather than inherent, we are the physical contradiction to that ideology.
People hate contradictions.
There’s a lot of things worth criticizing in Christianity, BUT I think there’s something beautiful in a message of kindness and compassion as core beliefs and I think that version of things is sadly rare.
As of yet, no. And I’ve actually bought some books on the history of Satanism and so on, but it’s hard to find genuinely good resources, especially ones that don’t have ethical implications.
I’m hoping to find more stuff about this, I’m not sure if it’s really…a thing yet? I find it hard to believe that I’m striking new ground but I’m early on.
I actually relatively recently learned about Santa Muerte and it’s cool that there are modern religious movements cropping up even though we tend to view these things as entirely past tense. While we take the internet for granted, there’s a lot of info that might not be on there, so I’m not sure how far I’ll dig.
Holy just googled Santa Muerte and that is so cool. Also that is very valid.
I myself am just stuck here with my own neo-pagan attempts at making a connection with a divine. I used to be an atheist but converted quite recently. Still heavily balancing time and energy I can put into proper worship but sometimes it helps to feel like something is watching out for you.
Good luck with your own spiritual pursuits sister!
I’ll have to look into that. Satanism is mostly non-theistic and so Satan is largely conceptual. A lot of the premise is actually the deliberate use of myth as a means of metaphor, without actually believing the myth. Satanism is peculiar.
But so the dominant myth is that of the obviously pseudo-Christian interpretation of Satan as the oppositional force to God, or whatever you think fills the god role, that could conceptually apply to patriarchy or capitalism, etc, but mostly it’s aimed at collectivism and ideological tyranny (which includes things like religious oppression).
And so when looking into religions in the “left hand path” or occult or pagan or whatever realms, in my case the actual lineage isn’t even crucial. After all, we tend to use iconography for Satan, Lucifer, Astaroth, Baphomet….And Baphomet is even an interestingly meaningless creation of coincidence. Because the name comes from a *very old* mostly French mispronunciation of Mohamed, through a game of telephone, when stories from The East were told by word of mouth. That name gets applied to ambiguous folk religious traditions and so Baphomet in particular is a weird religious character in that they exist entirely by accident and over time acquired meaning.
And there’s reckoning with the idea that most of human history happened before we had writing, so there’s lots of historical beliefs that to us seem to be pure but to the people of the past it may have looked like a new fringe cult or a misinterpretation.
That’s part of what makes it so compelling to realize you can just…choose for yourself to tell a different story, pick a name, choose a symbol, and organize among people who agree.
Baphomet in particular, this generative religious glitch, is the most compelling figure. Especially as they’ve been imbued with this meaning of embodied and contradicted duality. But anything that has interesting views perspectives on gender, sex, autonomy, self determination, etc, that’s what I’d find compelling to study.
There's a number of LBGT affirming Christian denominations.
In the US there's the Episcopal Church (the Anglican Communion in the US), the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, and the United Church of Christ to begin with (there are others, but those come to mind as larger denominations that are openly affirming. You can find us over at r/OpenChristian.
Contrary to what the bigots say, being anti-LBGT is NOT in any way a core or indisputable part of Christianity.
The bigots try to claim we aren't "really" Christian because of this. You can bet they hate LBGT affirming Christians too.
For example, Pete Buttigieg, the current US Secretary of Transportation, is an openly gay man in a same-sex marriage and is Episcopalian and was married in an Episcopal Church. This has lead FOX News to sometimes bloviate against the Episcopal Church saying we aren't "really" Christian, or
Over at r/OpenChristian we often have to explain to people why the "cobber verses" of the Bible that supposedly prohibit LBGT status do no such thing. There's a number of LBGT affirming books on theology, I'm reading through "Beyond a Binary God: A theology for trans\* allies", a book by an Episcopal priest setting out a codified trans/enby affirming theology.
I'll be honest, it's been hard sometimes to not put all christians into the same box because the hateful ones are so loud 24/7, often drowning out the ones who do love and accept us as we are, without the backhanded "love the sinner hate the sin" crap attached to their fake acceptance. It really is nice and refreshing to see more churches and even the pope be more supportive and inclusive of LGBTQ+ people. I think one year I even saw that the Mormon church was leading a Pride parade (or was I dreaming?). I've seen churches fracture and members leave because the church was welcoming to LGBGQ+ people. In my eyes, the ones who left those churches are the ones turning their backs on the very god and Jesus they praise. What you say though is definitely how Christians are supposed to be, loving and accepting of all people and walks of life, especially the "outcasts" of society. We are who Jesus would have walked with hand in hand. I personally don't believe in God myself, but if there is one, that is a power that is way too great and powerful to be bound to physical human made gender confines of male and female only. It would be a power beyond the physical world and beyond words, imagination and any human made label. In my eyes, Trans / NB / 2 spirited people are all much closer to what I personally would consider "God's image".... I hope that makes sense.
Certain Baptist churches are affirming too, I live down the street from Ebenezer Baptist Church (The one MLK was the pastor of) and they literally prayed for God to protect Queer and Gender Non Conforming people while I was there for a service.
>They don't want us to exist at all. They don't want us to even exist.
I was on insta a few days ago, replying to a trans woman's post about the struggles we face on dating apps. I said, "I've lost count of the amount of times I've been misgendered or harassed on dating apps just for merely existing"
And then some transphobic jerk replied, and I QUOTE, "then maybe you shouldn't exist"
They don't care who they hurt. They don't want us to exist. They never did. But we aren't going anywhere. We've been here for hundreds, even thousands of years. Trans people have always existed. And we always will exist.
I just learned about this after posting. I'm so conflicted about how to live right now. I'm scared as hell to be out and to be seen, but in theory visibility helps us become more normalized and safer. 😫
My heart just breaks for these girls and their friends and families.
It's because nothing a transgender person does is correct, they are never the victim. They are always the aggressor, they are always the predator. That's how transphobes frame it as.
If they use the woman's room because they're a woman... they're looking to prey on women and girls when they're at the most vulnerable. If they give in and use the men's room, no matter how uncomfortable it is, and end up getting assaulted... they obviously did or said something vile and abusive! Once again, they're framed as the aggressor. Nevermind that they are being forced into an environment where they are vulnerable and extremely at risk.
This is why I made sure I can protect myself. No one would dare harm me at my school of course, I'm a. Strong b. Important to the people of the school.
That’s horrible, but I’m not surprised. This always happens with trans people. They get assaulted and then people make things up about them to try to justify the assault on them. Thats true about minorities in general now that I think of it.
“There has to be repercussions for their actions. And if they are not charged for some reason, which is our fear, then that is just going to further escalate their behavior...”
Also, I'm confused. Maybe it's different here in Canada, but I would think that what needs to be done to make sure they face repercussions is for Cobalt and her father to tell law enforcement that they want to press assault charges?
Maybe the article is just worded weird but it's reading to me like they're putting all their hope that the school will press charges on their behalf or something? Is it up to the school to press charges because it happened on school property? I'm confused...can someone please shed some light on this?
Whether those charges lead to convictions, who knows, I doubt the court systems are empathetic or sympathetic about crimes against our community.
Omg that poor girl tho 😢 I had my jaw broken before it is NOT fun. I hope the perpetrators face serious consequences. I would think that a broken jaw like that would be considered as aggravated assault. It would be here.
They completely know that there is no evidence of trans fems committing more assaults in women spaces, than cis women. BUT we have tons of evidence, that trans fems are assaulted and raped massively in men spaces
This is just depressing why does the world hate us for no reason it’s ridiculous we aren’t hurting anyone or even ourselves. it’s doing more harm than good living like this.
Why?
Because conservatives thrive on hate and fear.
Conservative politicians want their "base" riled up and angry because that makes them easy to manipulate. They want people to be angry at the "other". They want to point to an "other" and claim they're ruining society, that they want to destroy America, that they hate God, that they hate America, that they hate morality, that they're everything bad with the world and tolerating them will destroy everything good in the world.
It's a bedrock of conservative political thought.
In the 1950's it was leftists (as anything to the left of being center-right was seen as "communist" and thus the enemy).
In the 1960's it was black people and Civil Rights activists, in addition to communists.
In the 1970's it was feminists (due to Second Wave Feminism) and "thugs" (i.e. urban criminals, stereotypically black)
In the 1980's it was "welfare queens" (i.e. a dogwhistle for lower-income black people)
In the 1990's it was gay people and "superpredators" (a debunked pseudoscience theory about black youth)
In the 2000's it was Muslims and terrorists.
In the 2010's it was gay people (I remember LOTS of claims that letting gay people openly serve in the military would cause our military to completely collapse, or that letting same-sex marriage be legal would literally cause the complete collapse of society because supposedly monogamous heterosexual marriage was the single most critical bedrock part of all of society).
In the 2020's it is trans people.
If trans girls use women bathrooms, they're predators. If they use men bathrooms, they're fight starters. Make it make sense.. Are we supposed to shit on the floor or something ???
and this is exactly why i don't wanna transition in highschool. im concerned for my own safety. the fear is pushing me into the closet, pushing the real me into places she shouldnt be.
Unremated. Out of all arguments you could make and you chose the worst. It was the school managers bastards who did not call an ambulance nor police car. The school also witheld recordings and proves of the incident, making the case even worse to manage.
No, that didn't answer the question and just made no sense.
How the flying fuck is a trans kid being assaulted in the restroom an argument against police presence at Pride festivals?
You're not exactly making a coherent argument. Maybe you're relying on a LOT of unspoken assumptions that aren't universally shared. . .but you certainly aren't making any kind of coherent argument.
Because like SA often police will try to underplay what happened and press for lower charges than what would actually be warranted for the crime committed.
That doesn't make a real convincing or coherent argument.
Because there was no police present in that story, no legal action was taken and there were no witnesses. . .just the two telling opposite stories.
So you're opposed to uniformed police being present because. . .they won't push for stricter charges than could possibly be levied (but won't be because there was nobody there to make an arrest or witness what happened?
So, you're making perfect the enemy of good? You're saying because they wouldn't be as zealous as possible, they shouldn't be there at all?
The alternative is there are no charges, and transphobes do whatever they want?
Again, that argument doesn't make sense.
*"Minnetonka Police Chief Scott Boerboom tells CNN* ***Sovereign’s mother reported the incident to the police department the day it happened \[Friday\] and he was not made aware of it until the following Monday****.*
*Boerboom says he would have preferred the school notify the police as soon as the incident occurred.*
*“****We would arrive at the school, we would meet with the victim, Cobalt, we would talk to the suspects, identify the suspects, get their side of the story, talk to the victim. And then we are required to notify parents at that time****,” he said. “By having us contacted at the onset, we can assess it as first responders and we have access to EMS or medical services.”*
***Boerboom also says a video of the assault exists****, and he has seen it. He says* *his department filed a subpoena for the video from the school, in line with policy. In the video,* ***he says, one boy is seen assaulting Sovereign in the hallway****. There were two other boys nearby, Boerboom says, who were not involved in the physical assault."*
\[...\]
*"While she was leaving the bathroom, Walztoni says his daughter said she was surrounded by that student and two others, who began following Sovereign down the hall, and* ***when she turned around to ask them to stop, she was punched in the mouth****.*
*During the attack, according to Walztoni,* ***Sovereign’s jaw was broken in two places. She had a compound fracture and lost teeth, leading to reconstructive surgery****. Walztoni says the students responsible should face criminal charges."*
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So first: there's no reason to think this is just he said/she said because there was no immediate police response.
As for their response (literal & procedural), they didn't do anything with the report of a possible hate crime from Friday-Monday. Their preference would have been for Cobalt to have stayed at the scene, while they assessed the scene after the fact, when she needed to be rushed to the hospital for immediate surgery. I'm not sure what more information they would have collected that would have been useful, in that moment. But then, if time is so important, why wasn't there any action (even internally telling their Chief) until Monday?
There's video evidence of it, and it sounds like it describes the violent assault that happened. There is at least an assault charge they could start with.
I can see how people believe this isn't being taken seriously. Personally, this isn't the one I'd make the case about no cops and pride for. I read this more like the two largest municipal departments trying to dodge blame or bad PR around a likely hate crime, instead of actually helping the person who was hurt.
Everyone knows cops have a quest in their menu log which automatically teleports them to the nearest crime being committed they just dont use it because they are lazy. If you mean no charges going through that would be a legal system issue. Lots of problems with cops but these days they arent the biggest threat at a pride parade. We arent in the judicial crackdown era anymore we are in the insane person decides to shoot people he doesnt like in public era. Might be useful for someone who at least has a chance at knowing what they are doing at one of those.
The cops are slow walking the investigation and giving every benefit of the doubt to the perpetrators.
Treating crimes committed against minorities as unimportant and prioritizing the rights of people who commit crimes against minority groups over the rights of those groups is how cops deny people like us justice.
They're going to draw out the investigation until the victims run out of money or patience or until enough evidence is lost or destroyed that the problem(for them) goes away. ACAB
If you read the article, you'll read that first, school officials didn't treat it as an emergency that a student was attacked & her parents had to call the police about the incident (the school should've brought this matter to the police immediately - we're talking about fractures, a broken jaw & lost teeth requiring reconstructive surgery). The police say they're investigating it as a "possible hate crime" & not what it is - a hate crime, that has video evidence of the attackers shouting transphobic slurs (& the video is subpoenad so the public can't view it [& in an ideal world, this would be to Cobalt's benefit] & the police can claim anything happened in the video).
I could say more, but basically what it boils down to is school admin turning the other cheek to transphobic bullying & then police tiptoe around the subject. Leigh Finke was right to call them out.
As for how this relates to "no cops at pride", it's about how police departments don't do their duty to protect LGBTQ+ people - police have always been our enemies, that's just all of queer history, forgive us if we're a bit prickly about police.
Thank you for clearing that up. I understand the relationship between police and LGBTQ+, I just didn't get the connection you were alluding to at all. (👋 person who doesn't pick up on subtext easily unless its crystal clear).
No problem, I wasn’t the person you were speaking to originally but having been involved in leftist politics for a good few years at this point we learn how people sweep minorities under the rug with police language & what not. Happy to explain & don’t feel bad if something doesn’t immediately click or anything - not all of us watch Philosophy Tube on loop, some of us like having fun instead of depression, ha.
'you need to use the bathroom of the gender you were assigned at birth, if you go into the girls bathroom youre going to want to touch the little girls' is what a transphobe said to me. I wish i could show him this, this is horrible
Holy shit, that sounds like projection to me!
Also, this article is making me think that this whole “bathroom debate” isn’t actually about bathrooms /s
Read about this on Thursday morning and was horrified and alerted my community yesterday it is beyond despicable that people are so transphobic that they are making false justifications for a trans girl having a broken jaw
This is incoherent in broader context. But if the report is accurate and 'justified' violence is permissible I have terrifying news for the perpetrators.
We weed advertisements comparing anti trans laws to jim crow and segregation laws.
No trans welcome = no blacks welcome! Hate is hate and segregation is segregation. We need to make the world relize thst oppressing and persecuting us is no different than what the nazis and kkk did to themselves and blacks and other minorities.
As a black trans woman, I would like to say that you are right about the need for education.
What’s unfortunate about your suggestion is that black people have been educated into homophobia and transphobia the same way they were educated into self hatred. For too many, black Americans are looked at as violent, disruptive and hateful. And it’s not long before white queers use their whiteness as a sword and shield against black aggression. So you are so many steps ahead of the problem that answer isn’t wrong but it’s not right yet.
So here is a couple questions that requires no immediate answer but requires a lot of thought. What are the basis for bigotry in marginalized communities and what are some areas of familiarity that these groups share?
I have gotten used to walking while swinging my left arm and keeping my right arm still for years. If you do it correctly people will subconsciously register you as possibly carrying a weapon and leave you alone. They may not know why, but they will. Don't ever let them know you are walking to a place to find witnesses and always ask them to stop so you don't get charged as the initial aggressor if you accidentally break their limb.
Were they someone who identifies as male? Saying "trans girl" is saying someone who identifies as a girl but wasn't born a girl by sex." It would be a trans boy if it was a born female who identifies as male
Also I don't get why they'd assault them for using the male bathroom when they were born a male. I feel like most transphobic people would encourage them sticking to their sex rather than gender identity?
Ah, apologies, I only read the parts that said "she/her", saw most people refer to her as a girl and didnt actually bother reading the article cause I'm lazy.
It's possible they were leaning toward girl the day of the interview which might be why? I'm not super knowledgeable on how non-binary works so if someone who is sees this, correct me and I'll edit it/delete it.
Curiously, I've seen transphobes on Twitter both default to what they'd say if she went into the girls room and even celebrating her getting assaulted.
Which if that doesn't make it obvious what their true agenda is idk what will.
The bigots in Wisconsin are going feral. There was that father that attacked a black superintendent because he didn’t want him to shake his daughter’s hand.
Looks to be, against all odds, something the police are taking seriously, going as far as to call out the school. While the incident is horrible, this is really good news to see authorities, and the parents taking this seriously. Thats something unheard of 10 years ago.
This is the world they want, not safe to use any public facilities. They just want us in the closet or dead. Fuckin fence sitters and "centrists" and their excuse making is what allows extremists to pervert the law and society into what we're seeing play out across the nation and abroad.
I remember a post on here from a couple of months ago where a girl went into the women’s bathroom, was literally YANKED out by an older man, told she wasn’t going in the same room as his wife. So she flatly goes “Okay” and starts walking into the men’s room. The man grapples her again and pulls a knife. You hit the nail on the head
If someone “yanks” me anywhere they’re getting shot
Someone pulls a knife on me, I'm pulling my gun.
Damn straight. One of the very few things I love about living in Montana. #ConstitutionalCarryState. *Yeehaw.* 🔫 🤠 🔪
I keep all my deadly weapons strapped to my thighs under my spinny skirts! 🥰 Hehehe, *classic*. 😝
conservatives upon being informed i have an FN FNX45 in my pants
Same with south carolina now, I open carry everywhere and people all of a sudden decided to not to yell slurs at me anymore wierd how that works
"An armed society is a polite society!" Hehehe! 🤭
While in Canada, I can't carry a concealed firearm, I can in fact carry a knife that's very large, bordering a machete :))
Same here, the moment you put your hands on me is the moment your gonna be joining your sky god
That man doesn't deserve to have functional mitochondria
Compliments of Parasite Eve.
Wtf, who does that!
Conservative Christians mostly
Anyone got a link?
In the closet or in the ground, as long as they can go back to pretending we don't exist.
I thought this was gonna be a little rhyme, like "in the closet or in the ground, as long as we aren't around"
.... Upon thee our eyes shan't set. Yours is better
haha ig we can say the same about transphobes. we want em dead or to shut the fuck up and leave us alone
💯 Complacent = Accomplice
exactly!!!
This is so fucked. And she was even using the bathroom they wanted her to fucking use too (the boys bathroom) and that's still not good enough for these bigoted people. Because they don't want trans people in any public spaces at all. That's why the bathroom bans is such bullshit because now trans women have to use the men's room and trans men have to use the women's room, putting them into even more dangerous situations than they would be in if they got to use the bathroom aligning with their gender identity. Every bathroom should be single occupancy and gender neutral.
>Because they don't want trans people in any public spaces at all. This. It's not about what restroom we use. It's not about what pronouns we use. It's not about what sports we play. It's not about when, or if, we can medically transition. They don't want us to exist at all. They don't want us to even exist. They want us in the closet, ashamed, in hiding. . .and to be free to exterminate us if we ever come out.
Sometimes, I joke that the LGBTQ+ community should claim to be a religion, then we would have some actual real protections under the religious freedom restoration act. There's the expansion of title IX, which will now include anti-discrimination protections for students on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity and would prohibit schools from barring transgender students from using bathrooms, changing facilities and pronouns that correspond with their gender identities. But, of course all the maga red states are suing the government over it because "Waaaahhh I have to respect queer people! Waaahh I'm such a victim of equality!". They may not want us here, but we are here and we are not going anywhere no matter how hard they try. We just have to support each other and stay united. ❤️❤️
I’m technically an ordained reverend. As a Satanist I’ve thought a lot about how Baphomet represents duality. Alive and dead, male and female, hoof and wing. They are all these things simultaneously. I basically can’t go any further without essentially writing a sermon, but the point is that I’ve actually been thinking about how to form an explicitly queer form of satanic/left-hand religious ideology. There’s something so uniquely core to the queer experience that I think having our own cultural mythology would be nice. Having our own religious identity. Or to put it another way, **if anyone actually wants to make gay-church I’m super down for that!**
I love this so much! I was actually watching "We're Here" on HBO and (SPOILERS) In the last episode, the pastor of this church welcomed the queens (Latrice Royal, Priyanka and Sasha Velour) and wanted them to perform a huge show inside the church because they could not find one place to have the show in this little backwater town of Oklahoma. He told them something along the lines of "drag is a ministry of love, acceptance and self expression that needs to be heard by more people", and that idea just really stuck with me since then. Also, in a previous episode, this young teenage girl was reading a statement her dad wrote aloud infront of a city council meeting saying we are all part of the LGBTQ+ Religious Cult. I said to myself, "Oh hunny, if we were a religious cult, then we would actually be protected from people like you". So, I am all for starting an LGBTQ+ Church 🙌🙌
LGBTQ+ faith would rock
I might have to start doing more reading and writing. Oh dear, here we go
You can do it, I believe in you! 😊❤️❤️ If you haven't watched it yet, I think you'd really love "We're Here", specifically the last season. It might give you some more inspiration for your writing! 😊🙌
organizing and centralization helps! Maybe we can start a discord to communicate on this topic and work together on starting the ✨️church✨️
I’m just in the movement of christianity that realized that it is not as against queer as people thought, just as it is not against jews as it was thought. I refuse to let them take my faith away, and run headlong into it. What’s really gratifying is how it bothers them so much or they end up coming to our side. Either way it disrupts their power
I think that being trans disrupts a worldview built on hierarchies and especially a patriarchal one that attempts to place women in a lesser status. By treating hierarchies as fluid and changing rather than inherent, we are the physical contradiction to that ideology. People hate contradictions. There’s a lot of things worth criticizing in Christianity, BUT I think there’s something beautiful in a message of kindness and compassion as core beliefs and I think that version of things is sadly rare.
I'm down for gay church
We’re gonna have the best stained glass
I already kinda have my goddess but any resources you could offer as read about your form of satanism? :)
As of yet, no. And I’ve actually bought some books on the history of Satanism and so on, but it’s hard to find genuinely good resources, especially ones that don’t have ethical implications. I’m hoping to find more stuff about this, I’m not sure if it’s really…a thing yet? I find it hard to believe that I’m striking new ground but I’m early on. I actually relatively recently learned about Santa Muerte and it’s cool that there are modern religious movements cropping up even though we tend to view these things as entirely past tense. While we take the internet for granted, there’s a lot of info that might not be on there, so I’m not sure how far I’ll dig.
Holy just googled Santa Muerte and that is so cool. Also that is very valid. I myself am just stuck here with my own neo-pagan attempts at making a connection with a divine. I used to be an atheist but converted quite recently. Still heavily balancing time and energy I can put into proper worship but sometimes it helps to feel like something is watching out for you. Good luck with your own spiritual pursuits sister!
Try looking under Al-Marin/ Morningstar, satans oldest known name, most likely under ancient Sumerian mythology for the oldest records
I’ll have to look into that. Satanism is mostly non-theistic and so Satan is largely conceptual. A lot of the premise is actually the deliberate use of myth as a means of metaphor, without actually believing the myth. Satanism is peculiar. But so the dominant myth is that of the obviously pseudo-Christian interpretation of Satan as the oppositional force to God, or whatever you think fills the god role, that could conceptually apply to patriarchy or capitalism, etc, but mostly it’s aimed at collectivism and ideological tyranny (which includes things like religious oppression). And so when looking into religions in the “left hand path” or occult or pagan or whatever realms, in my case the actual lineage isn’t even crucial. After all, we tend to use iconography for Satan, Lucifer, Astaroth, Baphomet….And Baphomet is even an interestingly meaningless creation of coincidence. Because the name comes from a *very old* mostly French mispronunciation of Mohamed, through a game of telephone, when stories from The East were told by word of mouth. That name gets applied to ambiguous folk religious traditions and so Baphomet in particular is a weird religious character in that they exist entirely by accident and over time acquired meaning. And there’s reckoning with the idea that most of human history happened before we had writing, so there’s lots of historical beliefs that to us seem to be pure but to the people of the past it may have looked like a new fringe cult or a misinterpretation. That’s part of what makes it so compelling to realize you can just…choose for yourself to tell a different story, pick a name, choose a symbol, and organize among people who agree. Baphomet in particular, this generative religious glitch, is the most compelling figure. Especially as they’ve been imbued with this meaning of embodied and contradicted duality. But anything that has interesting views perspectives on gender, sex, autonomy, self determination, etc, that’s what I’d find compelling to study.
There's a number of LBGT affirming Christian denominations. In the US there's the Episcopal Church (the Anglican Communion in the US), the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, and the United Church of Christ to begin with (there are others, but those come to mind as larger denominations that are openly affirming. You can find us over at r/OpenChristian. Contrary to what the bigots say, being anti-LBGT is NOT in any way a core or indisputable part of Christianity. The bigots try to claim we aren't "really" Christian because of this. You can bet they hate LBGT affirming Christians too. For example, Pete Buttigieg, the current US Secretary of Transportation, is an openly gay man in a same-sex marriage and is Episcopalian and was married in an Episcopal Church. This has lead FOX News to sometimes bloviate against the Episcopal Church saying we aren't "really" Christian, or Over at r/OpenChristian we often have to explain to people why the "cobber verses" of the Bible that supposedly prohibit LBGT status do no such thing. There's a number of LBGT affirming books on theology, I'm reading through "Beyond a Binary God: A theology for trans\* allies", a book by an Episcopal priest setting out a codified trans/enby affirming theology.
I'll be honest, it's been hard sometimes to not put all christians into the same box because the hateful ones are so loud 24/7, often drowning out the ones who do love and accept us as we are, without the backhanded "love the sinner hate the sin" crap attached to their fake acceptance. It really is nice and refreshing to see more churches and even the pope be more supportive and inclusive of LGBTQ+ people. I think one year I even saw that the Mormon church was leading a Pride parade (or was I dreaming?). I've seen churches fracture and members leave because the church was welcoming to LGBGQ+ people. In my eyes, the ones who left those churches are the ones turning their backs on the very god and Jesus they praise. What you say though is definitely how Christians are supposed to be, loving and accepting of all people and walks of life, especially the "outcasts" of society. We are who Jesus would have walked with hand in hand. I personally don't believe in God myself, but if there is one, that is a power that is way too great and powerful to be bound to physical human made gender confines of male and female only. It would be a power beyond the physical world and beyond words, imagination and any human made label. In my eyes, Trans / NB / 2 spirited people are all much closer to what I personally would consider "God's image".... I hope that makes sense.
Certain Baptist churches are affirming too, I live down the street from Ebenezer Baptist Church (The one MLK was the pastor of) and they literally prayed for God to protect Queer and Gender Non Conforming people while I was there for a service.
>They don't want us to exist at all. They don't want us to even exist. I was on insta a few days ago, replying to a trans woman's post about the struggles we face on dating apps. I said, "I've lost count of the amount of times I've been misgendered or harassed on dating apps just for merely existing" And then some transphobic jerk replied, and I QUOTE, "then maybe you shouldn't exist" They don't care who they hurt. They don't want us to exist. They never did. But we aren't going anywhere. We've been here for hundreds, even thousands of years. Trans people have always existed. And we always will exist.
Best explanation i’ve seen
This is horrible. Pretty sure this is at least the second incident within a week or two. 😡😓
Actually, this is the second incident within the past 48 hours, I just found out that a transfem teenager in Alabama was murdered yesterday.
I just learned about this after posting. I'm so conflicted about how to live right now. I'm scared as hell to be out and to be seen, but in theory visibility helps us become more normalized and safer. 😫 My heart just breaks for these girls and their friends and families.
It's because nothing a transgender person does is correct, they are never the victim. They are always the aggressor, they are always the predator. That's how transphobes frame it as. If they use the woman's room because they're a woman... they're looking to prey on women and girls when they're at the most vulnerable. If they give in and use the men's room, no matter how uncomfortable it is, and end up getting assaulted... they obviously did or said something vile and abusive! Once again, they're framed as the aggressor. Nevermind that they are being forced into an environment where they are vulnerable and extremely at risk.
This is why I made sure I can protect myself. No one would dare harm me at my school of course, I'm a. Strong b. Important to the people of the school.
That’s horrible, but I’m not surprised. This always happens with trans people. They get assaulted and then people make things up about them to try to justify the assault on them. Thats true about minorities in general now that I think of it.
“There has to be repercussions for their actions. And if they are not charged for some reason, which is our fear, then that is just going to further escalate their behavior...” Also, I'm confused. Maybe it's different here in Canada, but I would think that what needs to be done to make sure they face repercussions is for Cobalt and her father to tell law enforcement that they want to press assault charges? Maybe the article is just worded weird but it's reading to me like they're putting all their hope that the school will press charges on their behalf or something? Is it up to the school to press charges because it happened on school property? I'm confused...can someone please shed some light on this? Whether those charges lead to convictions, who knows, I doubt the court systems are empathetic or sympathetic about crimes against our community. Omg that poor girl tho 😢 I had my jaw broken before it is NOT fun. I hope the perpetrators face serious consequences. I would think that a broken jaw like that would be considered as aggravated assault. It would be here.
They completely know that there is no evidence of trans fems committing more assaults in women spaces, than cis women. BUT we have tons of evidence, that trans fems are assaulted and raped massively in men spaces
This is just depressing why does the world hate us for no reason it’s ridiculous we aren’t hurting anyone or even ourselves. it’s doing more harm than good living like this.
Why? Because conservatives thrive on hate and fear. Conservative politicians want their "base" riled up and angry because that makes them easy to manipulate. They want people to be angry at the "other". They want to point to an "other" and claim they're ruining society, that they want to destroy America, that they hate God, that they hate America, that they hate morality, that they're everything bad with the world and tolerating them will destroy everything good in the world. It's a bedrock of conservative political thought. In the 1950's it was leftists (as anything to the left of being center-right was seen as "communist" and thus the enemy). In the 1960's it was black people and Civil Rights activists, in addition to communists. In the 1970's it was feminists (due to Second Wave Feminism) and "thugs" (i.e. urban criminals, stereotypically black) In the 1980's it was "welfare queens" (i.e. a dogwhistle for lower-income black people) In the 1990's it was gay people and "superpredators" (a debunked pseudoscience theory about black youth) In the 2000's it was Muslims and terrorists. In the 2010's it was gay people (I remember LOTS of claims that letting gay people openly serve in the military would cause our military to completely collapse, or that letting same-sex marriage be legal would literally cause the complete collapse of society because supposedly monogamous heterosexual marriage was the single most critical bedrock part of all of society). In the 2020's it is trans people.
In Britain it’s similar to that it’s just exhausting
If trans girls use women bathrooms, they're predators. If they use men bathrooms, they're fight starters. Make it make sense.. Are we supposed to shit on the floor or something ???
It was never about the bathrooms. That’s just the excuse that they give liberals in order to justify their treatment of us.
and this is exactly why i don't wanna transition in highschool. im concerned for my own safety. the fear is pushing me into the closet, pushing the real me into places she shouldnt be.
In case anybody wondered why there shouldn't be cops at Pride
Unremated. Out of all arguments you could make and you chose the worst. It was the school managers bastards who did not call an ambulance nor police car. The school also witheld recordings and proves of the incident, making the case even worse to manage.
How is that related? The cops didn't do anything wrong in this situation from what I know.
>The cops didn't do anything I feel like you just answered your own question.
No, that didn't answer the question and just made no sense. How the flying fuck is a trans kid being assaulted in the restroom an argument against police presence at Pride festivals? You're not exactly making a coherent argument. Maybe you're relying on a LOT of unspoken assumptions that aren't universally shared. . .but you certainly aren't making any kind of coherent argument.
Because like SA often police will try to underplay what happened and press for lower charges than what would actually be warranted for the crime committed.
That doesn't make a real convincing or coherent argument. Because there was no police present in that story, no legal action was taken and there were no witnesses. . .just the two telling opposite stories. So you're opposed to uniformed police being present because. . .they won't push for stricter charges than could possibly be levied (but won't be because there was nobody there to make an arrest or witness what happened? So, you're making perfect the enemy of good? You're saying because they wouldn't be as zealous as possible, they shouldn't be there at all? The alternative is there are no charges, and transphobes do whatever they want? Again, that argument doesn't make sense.
*"Minnetonka Police Chief Scott Boerboom tells CNN* ***Sovereign’s mother reported the incident to the police department the day it happened \[Friday\] and he was not made aware of it until the following Monday****.* *Boerboom says he would have preferred the school notify the police as soon as the incident occurred.* *“****We would arrive at the school, we would meet with the victim, Cobalt, we would talk to the suspects, identify the suspects, get their side of the story, talk to the victim. And then we are required to notify parents at that time****,” he said. “By having us contacted at the onset, we can assess it as first responders and we have access to EMS or medical services.”* ***Boerboom also says a video of the assault exists****, and he has seen it. He says* *his department filed a subpoena for the video from the school, in line with policy. In the video,* ***he says, one boy is seen assaulting Sovereign in the hallway****. There were two other boys nearby, Boerboom says, who were not involved in the physical assault."* \[...\] *"While she was leaving the bathroom, Walztoni says his daughter said she was surrounded by that student and two others, who began following Sovereign down the hall, and* ***when she turned around to ask them to stop, she was punched in the mouth****.* *During the attack, according to Walztoni,* ***Sovereign’s jaw was broken in two places. She had a compound fracture and lost teeth, leading to reconstructive surgery****. Walztoni says the students responsible should face criminal charges."* \*\*\*\*\* So first: there's no reason to think this is just he said/she said because there was no immediate police response. As for their response (literal & procedural), they didn't do anything with the report of a possible hate crime from Friday-Monday. Their preference would have been for Cobalt to have stayed at the scene, while they assessed the scene after the fact, when she needed to be rushed to the hospital for immediate surgery. I'm not sure what more information they would have collected that would have been useful, in that moment. But then, if time is so important, why wasn't there any action (even internally telling their Chief) until Monday? There's video evidence of it, and it sounds like it describes the violent assault that happened. There is at least an assault charge they could start with. I can see how people believe this isn't being taken seriously. Personally, this isn't the one I'd make the case about no cops and pride for. I read this more like the two largest municipal departments trying to dodge blame or bad PR around a likely hate crime, instead of actually helping the person who was hurt.
Everyone knows cops have a quest in their menu log which automatically teleports them to the nearest crime being committed they just dont use it because they are lazy. If you mean no charges going through that would be a legal system issue. Lots of problems with cops but these days they arent the biggest threat at a pride parade. We arent in the judicial crackdown era anymore we are in the insane person decides to shoot people he doesnt like in public era. Might be useful for someone who at least has a chance at knowing what they are doing at one of those.
The cops are slow walking the investigation and giving every benefit of the doubt to the perpetrators. Treating crimes committed against minorities as unimportant and prioritizing the rights of people who commit crimes against minority groups over the rights of those groups is how cops deny people like us justice. They're going to draw out the investigation until the victims run out of money or patience or until enough evidence is lost or destroyed that the problem(for them) goes away. ACAB
Can please just explain. Your point is as clear as a stained glass window caked in mud.
If you read the article, you'll read that first, school officials didn't treat it as an emergency that a student was attacked & her parents had to call the police about the incident (the school should've brought this matter to the police immediately - we're talking about fractures, a broken jaw & lost teeth requiring reconstructive surgery). The police say they're investigating it as a "possible hate crime" & not what it is - a hate crime, that has video evidence of the attackers shouting transphobic slurs (& the video is subpoenad so the public can't view it [& in an ideal world, this would be to Cobalt's benefit] & the police can claim anything happened in the video). I could say more, but basically what it boils down to is school admin turning the other cheek to transphobic bullying & then police tiptoe around the subject. Leigh Finke was right to call them out. As for how this relates to "no cops at pride", it's about how police departments don't do their duty to protect LGBTQ+ people - police have always been our enemies, that's just all of queer history, forgive us if we're a bit prickly about police.
Thank you for clearing that up. I understand the relationship between police and LGBTQ+, I just didn't get the connection you were alluding to at all. (👋 person who doesn't pick up on subtext easily unless its crystal clear).
No problem, I wasn’t the person you were speaking to originally but having been involved in leftist politics for a good few years at this point we learn how people sweep minorities under the rug with police language & what not. Happy to explain & don’t feel bad if something doesn’t immediately click or anything - not all of us watch Philosophy Tube on loop, some of us like having fun instead of depression, ha.
'you need to use the bathroom of the gender you were assigned at birth, if you go into the girls bathroom youre going to want to touch the little girls' is what a transphobe said to me. I wish i could show him this, this is horrible
Holy shit, that sounds like projection to me! Also, this article is making me think that this whole “bathroom debate” isn’t actually about bathrooms /s
Read about this on Thursday morning and was horrified and alerted my community yesterday it is beyond despicable that people are so transphobic that they are making false justifications for a trans girl having a broken jaw
This is incoherent in broader context. But if the report is accurate and 'justified' violence is permissible I have terrifying news for the perpetrators.
Well I am never coming out of the closet… This world is just to scary and I don’t want to deal with any of it.
This is sick. Can’t believe this is my state🤦🏽♀️
We weed advertisements comparing anti trans laws to jim crow and segregation laws. No trans welcome = no blacks welcome! Hate is hate and segregation is segregation. We need to make the world relize thst oppressing and persecuting us is no different than what the nazis and kkk did to themselves and blacks and other minorities.
As a black trans woman, I would like to say that you are right about the need for education. What’s unfortunate about your suggestion is that black people have been educated into homophobia and transphobia the same way they were educated into self hatred. For too many, black Americans are looked at as violent, disruptive and hateful. And it’s not long before white queers use their whiteness as a sword and shield against black aggression. So you are so many steps ahead of the problem that answer isn’t wrong but it’s not right yet. So here is a couple questions that requires no immediate answer but requires a lot of thought. What are the basis for bigotry in marginalized communities and what are some areas of familiarity that these groups share?
I have gotten used to walking while swinging my left arm and keeping my right arm still for years. If you do it correctly people will subconsciously register you as possibly carrying a weapon and leave you alone. They may not know why, but they will. Don't ever let them know you are walking to a place to find witnesses and always ask them to stop so you don't get charged as the initial aggressor if you accidentally break their limb.
Were they someone who identifies as male? Saying "trans girl" is saying someone who identifies as a girl but wasn't born a girl by sex." It would be a trans boy if it was a born female who identifies as male
MtF
They said they are non-binary, not MtF if you read the article. Notice they say their name instead of pronouns a majority of the time.
Also I don't get why they'd assault them for using the male bathroom when they were born a male. I feel like most transphobic people would encourage them sticking to their sex rather than gender identity?
Ah, apologies, I only read the parts that said "she/her", saw most people refer to her as a girl and didnt actually bother reading the article cause I'm lazy.
Ah well yeah they are non-binary. They mainly use their name throughout the article.
It's possible they were leaning toward girl the day of the interview which might be why? I'm not super knowledgeable on how non-binary works so if someone who is sees this, correct me and I'll edit it/delete it.
It's scary af and that is what they want. We just want to normal lives
Curiously, I've seen transphobes on Twitter both default to what they'd say if she went into the girls room and even celebrating her getting assaulted. Which if that doesn't make it obvious what their true agenda is idk what will.
The bigots in Wisconsin are going feral. There was that father that attacked a black superintendent because he didn’t want him to shake his daughter’s hand.
Stonewall recreations when??
Looks to be, against all odds, something the police are taking seriously, going as far as to call out the school. While the incident is horrible, this is really good news to see authorities, and the parents taking this seriously. Thats something unheard of 10 years ago.
The article makes no mention of what you mention in your post title, unless I missed something.