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His_name_is_LUIGI

Bugs is too good. Nerf Jason.


rmknucks

Lmaooooo


kalaxtissan

Better nerf pig


HalfCarnage

I got that reference lol


SirBatbat

Ahah nerf PH butt šŸ˜‡ā¤ļø


kalaxtissan

Pretty fucked up of them to do that


Tenebignis

ā€œWe at Players First have noticed that some characters have been entirely unfair to play against, so we decided to team up with Behavior Studios to nerf The Pigā€


mrfoxinthebox

and reindog


SuckmyPelosB1tch

I was gonna say the same thing. Reindog up air killing early with a tight range and easy to avoid? Nerf it now. Bugs bunny with large up air that kills earlier with much better range? Fair and balanced


Lord0fDunce

i think jason spamming the teleport thing is the equivelant to PK fire. its rough.


fukdamods1

PFG: Done!


xBowned

Better nerf Irelia


sniper_main

Better nerf Gangplank


CaptWrath

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finniruse

What cartoon is this?


mushy_spoon

Darude sandstorm


mrfoxinthebox

this


_Luckey

Legendary


RuinSlow

Doomlands on roku (coincidentally, i learned about this show yesterday as i was scrolling one of my many illegal tv show websites)


CaptWrath

Have no idea lol


TheBroomSweeper

I think you could've dodged right before the bat swing but yeah that nair loop is dumb


Glass_Maize_2294

That bat swing is also op. It has a wide range and a long duration. Hard to dodge better to go away from it


Doinky420

It also kills at pretty low percentages.


StrawPaprika873

Yeah that fucking bat is insane, needs a little bit of an adjustment


mkallday10

This has been the case all throughout beta. They refuse to make that move okay.


StrawPaprika873

Clearly they are not listening šŸ˜©


Ecir-Sucram

I wish the training was better to test these kinds of situations. Iā€™ve been looped like that dozens of times now and I have no way to even practice the timing to dodge it. Everytime Iā€™ve successfully dodged the bat I was still in range for a follow up. I mainly use Taz and his forward was the only thing I could think of to beat whatever bugs would follow up with and I instantly got sucked into another loop. Donā€™t think itā€™s broken but the useless training mode makes it impossible to practice effectively.


Gurnel

This would be so fucking helpful. Like, actually PRACTICING how to get out of situations, like in EVERY OTHER FIGHTING GAME EVER MADE


jaredn154

Not 100% true, practice bots donā€™t stack up to people. Like,a bot probably wouldnā€™t do that exact string. It would be very hard to practice in training to try and find an answer to this exact scenario.


KhayJayy

You canā€™t dodge the bat I spam dodge every time I see that jumping reject pull out his bat and to no avail Iā€™m dead


tyezwyldadvntrz

that feeling when youre spamming dodge with a full meter


AvailableFee6383

you can parry but if you miss the 4 frames of timing it's GG


WGMaxx

LoL... I feel your pain brother.


rmknucks

I thought they patched him bein able to do it that fast shit is so annoying


Ayrone_

i'm pretty sure the smoke harley leaves behind means she can't dodge since it's a true combo, i might be wrong tho


StoicSkizzy

thereā€™s single hit moves that has a active hitbox the whole time the animation plays out so thereā€™s a chance he still wouldā€™ve got hit it happens to when I fight bugs and harley


fukdamods1

This is the kinda shit that makes ppl hate the character, users and opponents! PFG after all this time STILL doesnt know what hit decay is supposed to be. It supposed to be like Light Jabs. Fast yes but pushes YOU way from them on hit! NOT FAST AND KEEPS YOU IN!! That's what this is!!


Doinky420

Hope the Bugs players had fun while it lasted because there's no way this isn't gone with the patch next week.


ChestDayBestDay4

The devs take forever to balance things. It took them weeks to remove infinite loops in the beta, and characters were disgustingly op even after they were removed. Even now weā€™re still seeing 0 to death true combos that should not exist


rmknucks

Joker has one too thatā€™s insane


patiENT420

taz has a pretty nasty ground loop that does like 40+ damage before knocking you back far enough, and can also go into his bite to kill at higher percentages. very frustrating to deal with.


McDankGames

You can DI out of the taz loop, assuming youā€™re talking about the jab > nlight loop.


RobotEnchilada

What way do you DI? Cause Iā€™ve tried DI out but I still take at least 3 loops or until I get to the edge


patiENT420

Yeah idk what he means, maybe it's character specific. but as gizmo, I'm stuck for 3 loops, and he can bite you on the last loop for a ko.


Apprehensive-Camp556

DI towards the attacks not away from them. the way the moves work forces Taz to dodge forward after hitting the first loop. DIā€™ing so you go forward and practically behind them rather that right in front. takes placement away. Only saying this cause after seeing the loop, I played one doing that exact loop. After doing it once I noticed and DIā€™d correctly and they quit.


The-Almighty-Pizza

How, so I can abuse it to make people.complain about it until it's gone.


Muttalika

Yeah I get people early with joker a lot. Surprisingly, at least when Iā€™m Joker, Bugs doesnā€™t bother me anymore. He goes for the bat, I go for down special (also Jokers acid squirt breaks/eliminates all of Bugs projectiles). Iā€™m pretty sure thatā€™s what made me start playing Joker super heavy.


Scrat-Scrobbler

been saying this game needs combo decay, you can maintain a kits strength without the nerfs in neutral that hit decay can cause by just having decay the longer a combo goes on, or when a move is repeated within one combo.


atonyproductions

Better to nerf or buff in on big swoop .they study and get enough data on all the characters as people are playing the game and Also they have patching every week (except for the one )so not sure where youā€™re going with this


ChestDayBestDay4

The guy I replied to said it would be fixed in a week. Considering what you say about changes in one big patch and the devs history of leaving things unbalanced, my point is that thereā€™s no shot of it being fixed shortly


atonyproductions

I hear you , I think once we get this next big patch then hopefully everyoneā€™s at a better state and it wonā€™t be a dire need for nerfs or buffs like it is now.great thing that itā€™s only first season so buy second season! We should be great, at least thatā€™s what I hope for


BlueCircleGlasses

That's wishful thinking, they don't study the data, they just look at it and adjust with no consideration. That's why Reindog, one of the least played characters, if not the least played instantly got nerfed when a loop circulated a little. Not many people play this character because of the underwhelming kit, so only the players that really care about the character remain, leaving his overall win rate extremely high because the only people that play the character know how to use him. Unfortunately the opposite is very true as well, where when a character is really good, they are appealing to everyone. With most of the beginners and very casual players flocking to these characters, their win rates tank, averaging out the stats of a character across the board. That's why it took weeks of whining on Reddit and Twitter for Harley's down attack to be nerfed, and that's why it's unlikely that these really strong characters get nerfed without an uproar. Fortunately Bugs NAir loop is one of the things getting more attention right now šŸ˜­


rmknucks

Fr I hope it is


RomGon3

I've been complaining and making people aware of this crap for months and nobody ever listen to me. They all whined about Wonder Woman and Jason being trash and so much more while Bugs is behind all this character in the shadows hiding from being nerf


Praxic_Nova

Crazy thing is that they fixed in the beta. He could only spin in place. I wonder why they reverted it.


rmknucks

Exactly I said the same thing I thought this got fixed joker has a 0 to death true combo as well someone did it to me yesterday they still have alot to fix with this game


mrfoxinthebox

what's stupid is that depending on what side lariat hits, and what direction he is facing the di is diffrent.


zombieninjadude

Lariat?


mrfoxinthebox

the spining air normal


jojozer0

As a bugs player myself I fucking hate it


fukdamods1

I loved the character from the cartoon but when I saw how much PFG obviously gave him SOOO MUCH privelage it turned me off! That FTilt is like BRAINDEAD Easy confirm and the GIANT projectiles. and the bat that hits all around him... Jeezus! I want to use his toony moves not break the game!!


jojozer0

Yeah I try my best to not spam his OP moves but they made him way too good. Insane recovery as well


rmknucks

Pain


LoudBelchStabbyFart

Bugs has been my recent main. I recognized the Nair spamming potential but I try to be above move spam, (Ness pk fire experience) . What I'm trying to say is you played a scummy player, sucks bruh


Excellent_Ad_2486

HAHA PK FIRE! ohhh the memories šŸ˜‚


Matt4669

Ness PK Fire against Jason would be near unstoppable


Excellent_Ad_2486

Ai can remember having such a fucking hard time tracking that Lil fucker and his purple ball and always getting hit by him lol. I've rage quitted a lot against friends who played him šŸ˜‚


Endrego

I think it actually benefits to avoid spam moves because they will eventually be patched out.


MC_SPACEY

Man said pk fire and took me back to yugioh xD


MaxGK974

I hate idiots spamming the same 2 or 3 attacks, I love playing bugs but I use my brain and don't spam


Gabcard

Bugs Nair is ridiculous. The fact the fact he has that on top of moves like Bat and Rocket is just dumb.


RomGon3

I had been saying for months now. HOW BUGS KEEP DOING NERFS TO HIS DAMN AIR NEUTRAL ATTACK?!. This move is so disgusting because it hit front, it hit back, it hit up so doing close to the ground is impossible to dodge. You can't dodge into him because hitbox is behind it, you can't down away because the insane hitbox and dodging up only give him another chances to to loop it again. Then you at his extremely good bat swing that kills on low %. Like HOW IS THIS CHARACTER DODGING NEFS?!. I'm a Bugs main and i hate myself every single day because the character is so much damn fun because all the set ups and tricks, but this 2 moves. This Air Neutral normal and the bat it feels dirty to use. After seeing all of this all i can say is. Bugs is extremely good... We better nerf Quinn,Velma,Jason and LeBron


atonyproductions

Players that use that are actually trash . Gimmicky


Yensid-

Bugs has been op since beta. It's always a fun time going against bugs. (I also play Harley)


rmknucks

Itā€™s been rough for us wouldnā€™t say she needs a buff but some of the roster is a lil too strong like Wonder Woman hits way too hard


NewWallaby5472

If Powerarmor wouldnt exist (because bs mechanic), HQ wouldn't have any trouble. Ye WW hits like a truck, but HQ got da bombs :)


WelcomingRadio

That nair loop is the reason I stopped playing 1v1s, the inescapable loops just don't feel fair The game really was balanced around 2v2s


rmknucks

I feel you Iā€™m goin to try 2v2s more I mostly only play 1s


WelcomingRadio

It feels weird at first, but the more you play 2v2s, the more it starts to "click" haha


depression_gaming

It's curious how he is seen as simply "S Tier" but WW is hated and seen as busted. At least i can FIGHT against a WW, I'll lose, but i have a chance, but with Bugs, he'll spin you to death without giving you any time to dodge, and when you have a chance to escape, he'll use the bat, that has a giant hit area, so you can't escape from it since the dodge doesn't get you far from him.. so you'll get hit no matter what.


rmknucks

Exactly the fact this guy In the clip let me win this game still after a free stock shows how brain dead bugs is at the moment


Jane-Blackmoore

I agree so much! As mostly Wonder Woman main Yeah, i win a lot of times but also lose a lot of times with much better player than me (while playing Wonder Woman), also when i play against WW with different character, i lose often but also there are times I win, she need nerf and bigger balance DEFINITELY, but let's not pretend character like Bugs is better balanced than her, while i can sometimes win over WW while playing different character, i almost NEVER win against Bugs because he just spin me to death, and when he lock me in this spin as very clearly seen on video, i practically don't have any chance, with WW i usually have at least some time, Bugs often ring me out on very beginning by doing something like on this video, also this cursed SAFE!


Lucrei

Bugs is even worse in the 2v2, and I think WW gets easier in 2v2


choff22

I just played a Finn/Bugs duo in 2ā€™s and I had to put my controller down afterward. Sometimes this game just isnā€™t fun to play.


RandomUser1052

Too many characters can throw out attacks faster than you can recover from being hit by any given attack. Too many characters have attack loops like this. It's fucking dumb, and is proof that PFG didn't even playtest their game.Ā 


PapaPitufito

Bugs has two projectiles that can't be dodged, a bat that can hit you if you're behind him (and it doesn't have to make contact), the bag can also be spammed as it requires no meaningful load up. His little fucky ear attack, and tornado shit makes him have more up attaxks then anyone else and it's all spam able


theflexfather

Both these giant projectiles just straight up vanish, as soon as any armor break moves hits it. Jokers flower for instance. Not even worth the frames using the projectiles


PapaPitufito

Doesn't that mean Superman's fully charged punch should vanish it


theflexfather

No. It doesn't break armor.


PapaPitufito

Ah, what about him doesn't he get armor when he does it?


theflexfather

Moves that break armor have a purple effect. Moves that gain armor has the character briefly flash white


StoicSkizzy

that sht is so braindead


Off1cerOli

Im a relative newbie but even with beginner players, Bugs and Joker are hella annoying - As a Stripe main, if i miss 1 attack or donā€™t do enough knockbackā€¦ I am simply screwed


tomagfx

It would seem there are quite a few characters capable of getting easy KOs on someone with less than 70 damage


StzeFm

A good bugs bunny is the most annoying match youā€™ll have that night.


Belt_Perfect

The bugs loop on top of Finn & Steven b e ing my 3 personal nuisance


CinnaSol

It is way too easy to knock people up into the blast zone in general tbh, I feel like most characters are able to do it with very little damage on you. All it takes is one move that you cant dodge to trap you in a combo that takes a stock with very little effort


Worldly-Site-2317

Yeah I agree feels like you get into one combo and youā€™re already at 100 and then it just takes a up air


Aggressive_Sea_3341

bro agrees with me confirmed


Worldly-Site-2317

Yeah


FabzOfficial_1

They really nerfed Quinnā€™s convertibility off her normals cuz they found it too easy but bugs can nair and kill šŸ’€


Junior_Link2393

Deserved for playing Harley


rmknucks

Harleyā€™s not broken tho lol


Junior_Link2393

OK bro


rmknucks

Was your wb ? I wanna see something


Cryoverspi11edMi1k

I still feel like making map sizes a lot bigger would help fix some of these issues plus more balance changes


Larcade_Ultra

1/3 to 1/2 the roster has some shit like this that they can do. Hate people who willingly choose to fight that way. Shouldn't even be possible.


Aggressive_Sea_3341

fluff bugs bunny


StonedSnawley

Why did anyone expect this game to do well? I literally canā€™t get it to run above like 20 frames on a new gem console.


Shadypretzel

A lot of characters can di out of those combos (for some reason WW and Joker get out of them for free), I guess harly isn't one of the lucky ones.


Ctmeb78

They really should bring the old Decay system back, i loved that because stuff like this couldn't happen


thetabo

Gotta love how much ppl were telling me how fucking stupid beta was with the combos and loops when I said I liked it more than full launch but then you see something like this every other day


Thedracoblue

Bugs is supposed to be a mage, not a Lariat Melee Zangief fighter geez....


Grand_Toast_Dad

Yeah, it's honestly way too good. I try not to use this move too much to at least give the other person a chance. I only use it mostly in 2v2 when I'm feeling overwhelmed. Great to get me out of tough situations. Otherwise, it's way too good in 1v1.


PrinceDestin

This game got favorites


SeveralJump8606

My friend complains when I play Superman then he does stuff like this to me with bugsšŸ˜“


Few-Ad7842

Alright I'm a profound superman hater for a couple of reasons but first off I'm gonna say I don't hate you for playing him. I just really REALLY hate his jab and his nair because they feel really slow to me so I'm stuck in a lengthy animation and it just grinds the game to a halt, for me personally, don't know why but those 2 moves just really get to me, but play whoever you want, I got hot takes all day.


MysteryManMysteries

that feeling when the game isn't fun


Caravan_of_diseases

Bugs up air always hurts because Velma has to play Operation just to get that shit to hit and he gets a full arc with like a second long active window.


RoyaleWhiskey

They still didn't nerf this yet?


disfooAdrian

Someone was doing that to me the other day. It was pretty annoying.


Diligent_Worry_6214

Bugs and taz both need nerfed badly


InterestingAbies9474

lol a Harley complaining about a broken character


thisappisgarbage1234

Lmfao


DepressiveMiki

And people will claim the only issue with the game is "iTs sLoWeR" lmao


viperbite312

Whats the joker combo you keep replying to people about? Curious as a joker player lmaoo


rmknucks

I can send it to you I clipped it


viperbite312

Yes plz šŸ‘€


rmknucks

I got you lol


Woosung_lala

Busted Bunny


PeenyWeenie2248

Its crazy how any bugs i fight EASILY whoops me but i cant get good with him for the life of me


Independent_Treat_85

"Mage"


Bmooooooooooo

As a bugs main Iā€™m sorry


Pokemaster1415

How do you shoot sideways like that


JNizmo327

Unfortunately cheese is what kills this game. Nothing you can do about it except CHEESE OR BE CHEESEDšŸ˜‚


Swimming-Command-735

You can get out of that if u use DI at the right time.


NeedleworkerSame4710

Thats one of the reasons i played joker so i can buzzer handshake these spammers


SnowwChar

I get stuck in this combo against almost every Bugs I play against. He needs nerfed. It's not fair that you can't even dodge out of it.


ikigai-97

Literally been happening to me...šŸ˜ŖšŸ˜†


Sad_Weather9746

They should make the knock back a lot greater so you canā€™t be caught in it. His up air is a joke too heā€™s got too many kill moves


Muttalika

Bro all you had to do was go right, you went left.


JacobCenter25

In most cases I'd rather bad characters be buffed than strong characters nerfed, but this stuff has gotta go.


Symbioth22

Harley players when they get a taste of their own medicine


Reasonable-Freedom59

I play Joker in smash this lowkey is exactly like his up air loop combo except he'll almost never kill you that early unless he has ArsƩne out.


dj_harmonic

Lol you can def dodge that. Iā€™ve literally had people try this on me and i dodged out of it and parried them. But actually seeing it happen is hilarious.


rmknucks

You prolly have low mmr and play trash bugs


dj_harmonic

Lmao nah Iā€™m definitely more skilled than you. I was in the top 1,000 with Finn when the beta was out. Donā€™t try to low ball me cause you canā€™t get around a simple move.


rmknucks

Top 1000 is trash wtf lol I was #11 with Harley your garbage


dj_harmonic

You definitely werenā€™t if you canā€™t even get past buggsšŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


rmknucks

I won this game idiot


dj_harmonic

Who cares. You still the one here whining like a damn child. If you won then why complain?? Imbecile.


rmknucks

Cause it shouldnā€™t be in the game tf are you 12 years old or what itā€™s a discussion forum


dj_harmonic

Iā€™m the 12 year old yet youā€™re the one crying about a match you won. Like stfu. You won so get tf over it. You acting like a child.


rmknucks

You gotta be a kid or a just a loser either or


rmknucks

Feel stupid yet ? šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£


Oliver_Queen2000

I agree, but I think I have a very small amount of sympathy for any harley players complaining about other characters šŸ˜‚


rmknucks

Sheā€™s not even broken ..


Practical-Recipe7013

I mean, you could have gotten out of that if you use your Dodge or block. You have a full bar


rmknucks

Bro you canā€™t dodge out of that did you just get the game??


Bamtast1c

Doesn't like every character have a perma stun combo now? This is fucked


PAPAJONPIZZA

That's what i hate in this game. Same with steven, jump and down air


QuietAlarming7763

I just had an experience to this. Now I understand why people have said what they said about Bugs.


No-Refrigerator-4368

Black Adam, Superman, and banana guard need a major rework.


Deanatony

Bugs players will say this is skillfull šŸ˜‚


Slipperyslope98

Your DI was terrible lol you need to DI away to get out of his Nair loops and then carefully time the dodge on the bat or risk it and go for a perry on one of his Naira


rmknucks

Making excuses for this insane this should not be a thing point blank period. We found the bugs player yall he wants to keep this in the game


Mangert

Heā€™s actually right! Do you see how u are right inside him during the second nair? If you DI away from bugs, u end up on the left edge of his second nair, and then the third nair (if u continue to DI away) is no longer true and can be parried or just dodged. Nair into nair is true. But with some practice and good DI u can get out of the 3rd nair or more. Itā€™s still annoying as hell tho so I empathize. And if ur out of dodge meter ur just out of luck. Definitely with some practice this wonā€™t be happening anymore tho! Wish u luck


rmknucks

Shouldnā€™t be a thing just needs to be patched like I said I still beat the guy too so I know what Iā€™m doing you talking to a really good player I know how the game works


Mangert

Agree to disagree. I think combos that can be DIā€™d out of are fair. Iron giant having multiple true combos that 0-death you regardless of DI, is definitely broken. But nair combos donā€™t feel broken to me. Just feels op, and makes bugs one of the best characters in the game


Abject-Shake-2417

Bugs is the metaknight of this game. It's absurd and I will die on this hill.


fdf86

This is the most pot calling the kettle black ive ever seen.


rmknucks

How ?? lol Harley has a loop?? Stop it.


SanAnneBeachMan

Found the Bugs


fdf86

https://preview.redd.it/2d9sk73n7j9d1.png?width=1152&format=png&auto=webp&s=05230bd583c0bc590e47c6427efa4ce829b8bc0f Bugs main, riiiiight


SanAnneBeachMan

Iā€™m mad you posted this to debunk my claim. Wanna run the fade?


Accomplished_Rip_352

Harley doesnā€™t even have a loop and isnā€™t even top tier especially after the nerfs .


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rmknucks

Iā€™m better than you


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Drnk3nSn4pS

Busted Harley complaining about busted Bugs :D


rmknucks

Harley busted?? You sure you play the game sheā€™s good but busted?? You smoke crack buddy?


Drnk3nSn4pS

Yes, she is op dude. Maybe you can share, your crack seems to be stroonger:) https://youtu.be/ze1_mjutY90?si=-OxScHy8Kux88wt6 Bugs is less OP than Harley imo


rmknucks

Sending a YouTuber was suppose to prove your point how old are you lol was your wb btw I wanna see something


PapaPitufito

I don't dread Harley players


El_Rocky_Raccoon

Hoping the "big patch" next week will fix this and the hitboxes on his Up Air.


Powerful-Box-4311

Miss the old verison when u could survive on 2hpšŸ˜­šŸ˜­


igknightion

Try... dodging?


rmknucks

You canā€™t dodge it bro stfu did you not read


Freakstage

Spam dodge. You're almost guaranteed a parry unless you wasted your dodges beforehand


rmknucks

You canā€™t dodge that move.


Freakstage

You can. Just involves frame perfect (or spam your dodge button). Just dont do a directional dodge and you will almost always hit a parry


javier03824

Hes not busted - you just suck lol


rmknucks

Troll alert