Don't do that unless you're ok with the risk. You have a small, hot-running engine producing a lot of power for it's size. You turn up the stress on it you're asking for trouble later.
On the dyno 300whp/350wtq 100+ heat in July so maybe a little more. Still get 36mpg and it'll run neck and neck with scat packs up until the govern at 120mph.
I mean Iāve seen ecoboosts beat scat packs with bad drivers off the line, and even seen a few stage 3 ecoboosts beat them at the strip, but beat an almost 500hp car to 120 and get 36 mpg while doing it? Only time my ecoboost ever saw anything close to 36 mpg was if I reset it going down hill lmao.
Jessie Ringley from EMS currently holds the world record for the ecoboost mustang. He ran a 8.5 sec 1/4 mile. He is pushing around 1000hp to the wheel.
It's no way near as bad for other groups of cars. You drive a BMW 340i, no one asks you "why no me broooo??" Same this for an S5 over RS5 or a RC350 over a RCF.
Mustang/Camaro/Challenger folks are the absolute worst when it comes to dick measuring.
Honestly. Iām not super active on this thread but everyday it pops up on my feed. This exact question whether it be about ecoboosts or the v6 mustang. Good god
ehhh people get very self-conscious when the don't feel they own the "Real version of the car". Thats why I think we get this post everyday. They just need to accept and enjoy what they have.
I mean I have an ecoboost and I got told at work "your car sounds like a bitch" by a teenager with a unibrow and a lifted RAM with dual smoke stacks that were probably paid for by his dad. He was brand new fresh out out of high school and he had the balls to say that as I walked by him. And I have taken shit from several people over it. I don't care, I like my car. But I have never once asked for people's advice on if I made the right choice, but I have received that "advice" *many* times.
I hate it when parents buy their bratty kids expensive cars, especially big trucks for some reason. I see these obnoxious teen boys with trucks everywhere in Florida, acting like they're big shit with their big Tonka toy dad bought for them.
I live in rural NW Ohio which is all flat farm land. Half the people I work with have lifted trucks and give me shit for my mustang and my ranger. I show them pictures of my ranger muddy and off road, and ask them where their offroad pics are. Shuts them up for the most part.
Same out here in rural Texas. I get that you really do need a truck like an F-150 or something in the country, but I see these high school guys driving an F-350 max-cab and such. It's just a "rich family" status symbol.
And not even an F-150 unless you need to pull heavy stuff lol. Those little Honda work trucks you see in other countries, and are now being imported here because of the age statute, can do a ton of work. Americans have turned large trucks into a luxury vehicle status symbol, for sure.
Missourian here. I'm 30 and I've had 8 mustangs, all within the last 12 years. One of those 8 was even a Terminator and i STILL got shit for not having a truck because "real men drive trucks" lmao
It's always fun to watch their response when I ask if "real men" are also scared to use their "work vehicle" (which is, by their justification, a truck) since they couldve bought a bentley or a used lambo for the same price. They seem to shut up real fast when they realize how big of a financial mistake they made.
Must be nice being dumb enough to travel down to the closest stealership and drop 120k on a "work vehicle" that never leaves the garage like... \*checks notes\* ... a fucking race car lmao. Wont ever understand people who spend 6 figures on a Denali, but then look at an Audi R8 like its untouchable. Limitless information at your fingertips but THAT is the choice? lol to each their own I suppose.
I just did a double take and internally said "who the fuck are you?" I had never seen him before. I just told him "it's a 4 cylinder that gets 100 horses per cylinder." Left out that it was modded. He just said "oh." And I kept walking.
I think is very true, I traded in my 2011 v6 mustang because it didnāt feel like the real thing, wouldāve loved a new gt but it was out of budget so I got a brand new wrx so I donāt have to worry about having a lesser trim, ultimately it doesnāt really matter though
Because people have a need to shit in others to show that their cheap sports car makes them better then others.
Nothing wrong with an eco boost at all. People are just going to hate.
Precisely. Same thing happens in the Dodge community with an R/T vs Scatpack vs Hellcat vs Demon, etc.
āOh you got an Scat but itās not a hellcatā
āOh you got a $80K hellcat, but itās not a demon, etc.ā
Thatās true. Nowadays even hybrid can be fast now. Especially those German cars in the street, they always go so fast, as if we actually even need 0-60 4s car in public street
Nothing wrong with the ecoboost. I think the hate comes from guys doing engine/performance mods on their ecoboost when a stock coyote would run circles around any (modest) build and sound better doing it. You would likely be money ahead in buying a coyote in the first place, and have better resale value down the road.
If you get the opportunity to drive a coyote Mustang, please do so. It's a night and day difference in feel and power versus the ecoboost.
>If you get the opportunity to drive a coyote Mustang, please do so. It's a night and day difference in feel and power versus the ecoboost.
Yeah once I cold started my car and test drove I couldn't buy anything else.
Did the exact same thing. Was about to pull the trigger on an ecoboost convertible with every option then drove the V8 for the heck of it... and promptly started searching for the V8 convertible with every option š« tbh it cost WAY too much but luckily I'm in a financial position to be stupid and I LOVE it and have no plans to ever sell it
But whatās wrong with modding? Itās a ton of fun to mod cars, and yeah its easier to make more power with the coyote but thats not in everyoneās budget.
>its easier to make more power with the coyote
It's not simply "easier to make more power with the coyote". The coyote makes more power in stock form than 90% of modded ecoboosts. You would have more power with less money & time if you simply bought a coyote in the first place, instead of modding an ecoboost.
EDIT: wanted to add, the one thing the Ecoboost does better than the Coyote is better torque at takeoff. That advantage quickly disappears above 3k rpm however.
The coyote is the better platform, but the cost difference from an eco to a GT is huge. Pre facelift s550ās are much closer in price, but comparable year and miles? You can make an eco as quick as a GT for a fraction of the cost difference between them. Even still, GT performance isnāt always the goal. Itās just more enjoyment to drive, thatās always the target.
I gotta disagree here, you aren't making an eco comparable to a stock get in terms of performance for cheap. You'd need downpipes, a full exhaust, e85, injectors, and a full intake system, to be close to what a coyote makes, and you can take a coyote to 500whp for quite literally about 1000, you need headers a cold air and e85. To do that to an eco you'd need to buy a bigger turbo that starts around 1500 with supporting mods
I would have to agree itās a night and day difference, but it honestly depends on your surroundings. I live in a mustang family, Iāve had a v6 2007, I currently own a 2016 eco, and my dad has a 2019 performance pack GT. His third GT. Iāve driven them multiple times. The GT is better for straight lines but has a very heavy nose and performs best at higher rpms. The eco shines due to its light nose and high torque at lower rpms. This works well in high traffic areas like Houston where I live. It all comes down to preference and your driving habits. I would say the added price is purely for the sound in my area.
I've driven both and while I wound up getting the V8 I LOVED the nimbleness of the V4 with the front weight reduction especially when hitting corners. First time in the V8 felt like driving a boat after that but as with all things you quickly get used to what you've got and learn to drive it accordingly. The active exhaust and option to put it in quiet mode is my favorite feature on the V8. I know I sacrificed some speed and agility with the convertible but driving with the top down is half the fun
I couldnāt agree more. The active exhaust is such a beautiful addition. Although I love my eco, nothing and I mean nothing can replace the sound of a naturally aspirated V8! You made a great choice my friend and I hope you continue to get all the smiles per gallon you deserve.
This is it. Somone that takes the same highway to work with me every day has an ecoboost that is done up like crazy, lowered, lots of aero, cringy stickers. And super loud. He drives like an ass and I assume it has performance mods. My mustang gt is bone stock. He tried to cut me off one day and I wasn't having it, dude tried several times to get in front of me. The coyote is just such a more capable engine, with mods it's world's ahead. The eco boost is meant to be enjoyed as it is. Too many eco owners over compensate and go absolutely wild on the mods. It's your car, do what you want. But ima always roll my eyes a but when I see a hoonigan sticker and 5k worth of earo on an ecoboost. Also, the eco does not have ~that~ much better mpg. It's 6-8 mpg difference. If you're interested in an eco. At least test drive a gt. Then make your decision
6-8 is enough to make a difference over the long term. I think both models are great for their own reasons. I got the ecoboost because I wanted something less boring than my old Taurus but still economical. I almost bought a Civic sport which I'm glad I didn't do.
Most the ecoboost hate comes from either keyboard warriors and internet trolls. I've never had a real life problem. If its someone in real life it tends to be someone that doesn't even own any type of sporty car. Just a basic econobox type car. V8 owners in real life are very accepting of V6 and Ecoboost mustangs. They don't care as long as you like mustangs.
Thatās my experience too. The only person who talks crap is my best friend. Heās a v8 elitist. Heās still sour the GT got a V6. The only time Iāve heard him say good things about a V6 is my Explorer ST. Likely only because itās mine and he was being nice
There is no real hate outside of the internet . Away from people who don't own a single nice car . I don't like the ecoboost cause with the same features I want it's not cheap enough to justify the price. However , it's faster than pretty much every single mustang before the coyote save for the Terminator and new edge cobra R , gets double the MPG and handles so much better it's not even fair. Also , ecoboost drivers are stereotyped with buying an ecoboost and spending 10k on wheels , tires and crappy mods instead of just getting a GT.
Nobody who actually knows or works with cars would ever dog eco boost or 6cyl models.
Mfers out here telling on themselves when they act gatekeepingly about it.
I have a ā21 eco and I have never gotten hate for it. In fact it surprises most people that ride in it. Also I drive 40 miles to work and the same home everyday. I have a car I enjoy, and only fill up once a week most of the time. Iāll take the fuel economy and 85% of the performance any day.
For my model year '21 with my ecoboost being a HPP car it was 330 vs 460 which would be 71.73% also being 200lbs lighter, it was a figure of speech. My real point is not everyone buys a car just to go fast. I wanted a mustang for the looks, I'm commuting and driving it normally 98% of the time. With the other 2% just doing a burnout here or there or doughnuts once in a while. Like I said I will take the fuel economy.
To start: Idk why people fucking care, are THEY the ones that are paying monthly or paid for your car? If not, they can stfu.
Answer: Not sure. I love my Eco Nite Pony. Iām not into the performance of cars and shit, I just like the way they look. My daily is a Mazda CX5 Carbon, so this is like a āvery coolā car for me. Iām afraid to do anything over 70 anyway, I really donāt care. I will mod my eco as much the fuck I want because no one else here paid the 31,000. I put the RTR body, Flowmaster exhausts, eibach lowering springs, gonna put some spacers next
AGAIN: IF YOU AINT PAYING MY FUCKING BILLS, STFU ABOUT MY CAR. YOUR OPINION AINT SHIT IF YOU AINT FILLIN MY POCKETS G.
I have an ecoboost premium 2018 and I LOVE IT. I can see the overwhelming majority loves GTs and nicer ones. But mine is still a mustang, still beautiful, still has that kick, and the turbo gets me hard. Fuck the haters. Any real mustang enthusiast can still appreciate a mustang like the ecoboost. Now the electric mustang... that's another story LOL
I'm on the side that doesnt care, people drive what they want to drive
I do live by a university, and the majority of people driving aggressive around me or trying to race me
are altimas, maximas, corollas, velosters and ecoboosts
Thatās life. People hate on everything if it doesnāt fit their tastes/budget. Just look on any car subreddit. It also gets a reaction which I think the haters like, youāre defending your eco boots purchase in this very thread.
It's because it's a difference to expectations. The cool part of a muscle car, is it's roaring v8 (they may be ponies, but non car people would call it a muscle car.) So if I expect a V8 and end up with half the v, theres gonna be disappointment. Rude people lash out thanks to their disappointment.
Because there are a lot of people around who still remember the Mustang 2 "situation." Ford made a 4 cylinder mustang to battle rising gas prices, but it was a complete turd. No power, no speed, no fun. It left a super sour taste in buyers' mouths and a stain on the Mustang name. Now people don't trust them. Coupling it with a turbo helps with the power, speed, and fun issues, but if you blow the turbo, you're left with a 4 cylinder Mustang if the engine still works at all.
Thank yāall for the comments, I now understand this is a very āpick meā topic and will just love the car I worked for ā¤ļø nice to be apart of the community
No hate for ecoboosts, but I do hate people who post āwhy so much hate on ecoboostā threads every other day on this forum. Stop being self conscious and enjoy your car
I think it really depends on what you want out of a car. If I was gonna get a Mustang I'd go for the full experience and get the V8. It gives you the sound and speed. I'd personally get a different sports sedan that can go just as fast as an ecoboost without sacrificing practicality like 4 doors and extra trunk space.
I think lame ass people judge you for not being able to afford the GT. If you really just love the body's of Mustangs that yeah go for the ecoboost.
I have no hate, maybe some light ribbing in good fun sometimes, but ecoboosts give EPA credits and are part of the reason I can have a V8.
If it was not for ecoboosts, and ,shudder, the MachE the V8 would have gone the way of the Camaro and Challenger.
The people that have the hate are typically donāt have them. Itās not that big of a deal with the mustang community. There is a small segment believe that mustangs are muscle cars and should only be V8s. True mustangs fans donāt really care about that. They may have a favorite but are mustangs fans first and foremost.
"BuT iT's NoT a V8!"
Mine has more horsepower than my Dakota that is a V8. Maybe I'll get one someday, but housing comes first and my ex hates this car, and you can't put a price on that.
The Eco puts out more HP (315) than my wife's '08 Edge with the V6 (265), which puts out more HP than my Grand Marquis with the V8 (242).
For someone who has no intention of tracking, racing, or modding, the Eco makes the best sense.
I owned an Ecoboost for several years and got far more compliments than hate. The haters are generally underwater on a GT or simply don't own a mustang at all. I only sold it because I got more than what I paid for it. It was a great car.
For me, I'm generally enraged at CAFE standards. It's not that I don't want efficient vehicles or I have some issue with turbocharged small engines, it's that I hate that these cars are designed according to a silly set of rules that don't apply to everyone.
So, as an example, if you want to design a turbocharged car and people want to buy it...great. But what happens is the cars are frequently modified in ways that make them unnaturally expensive and less reliable so that some subset of poors can bring down our carbon emissions. It leads to bad engineering, and the customer loses. It makes the mpg a more important metric than whether or not you're selling a good car to the customer. And it only applies to folks who can't afford to pay more.
The thing that bothers me is that these aren't sold because they're good, they're sold because they *allow better engines to be sold*. And my issue isn't with the buyer it's with just the notion of how some customers are exploited so that other customers can have nice things.
It's up to you if you will let others affect your enjoyment.
Personally the eco is better than the V6 in any measurable metric and it's a cool engine but it's just out of place in the mustang chassis.
Lime people make fun of Honda's for being slow and sounding fast but in this case it's looking fast but being slow.
Obviously there are outliers but this is just a factory comparison.
On my house a Mustang is a Mustang. Doesnāt matter if itās a basic one line my 2024 or the modified 2020GT sitting in the lot. I like my car, my daughter likes my car and who cares what any one else thinks. There will always be the stuck up people who think their car is better than yours.
In my opinion the ecoboost is a great car but shouldāve been on a smaller platform or slightly different somehow and called something else.
Itās like walking into a steakhouse and ordering their chicken which is probably still great but you know ā¦ itās not their steak.
I feel like if I owned one, which I donāt, Iād always know there was something missing. Some people are okay with that
There is no hate from me, but I would never have considered an eco boost.
For me, they should have called it a modern version of a Ford escort, great cars, great handling, and cult following.
For me it kind feels like a loss of excitement when I donāt see the 5.0 or GT badge, but really I donāt care what kind of Mustang you drive, as long as youāre happy thatās all that matters. I will say that when I bought my GT I was very annoyed with the salespeople at every dealer I went to pushing for me to buy the ecoboost premium when I could buy a standard GT for almost the same price, Iād tell them that I clearly wanted the 5.0 but they wouldnāt listen.
Because if youāre looking for a sporty 4 cylinder, Mustang is not the platform. BMW has basically perfected this over decades of building them. Really makes no sense to get the eco boost.
I rented a '24 Eco-Boost Mustang convertible last winter while vacationing in Florida. I found it to be a very fun car to drive and thoroughly enjoyed it. But I'm not so sure it would hold up well over the long run, and that's why I'd hesitate to buy one.
I'm not an expert and I welcome knowledgeable input to prove that I'm wrong. If those engines are trouble-free when the mileage adds up, I might want to buy one.
This was the newest Mustang I have driven and I have to say that the handling/suspension of these cars is dramatically improved over the older models.
I had a brand new 2020 eco and I couldnt accept it because I really wanted the v-8 plus it was always really hot in there in the summertime even with the ac on full blast so I traded and got a 22 charger rt also new at the time. Now I wish I would have got a scat pack. Shit never ends but I'm done playing that game. Funny part is people always say nice "challenger" and I just say thanks!
The hate is from people on the internet. Same people who wouldnāt confront someone about it in real life š. We all start somewhere. If you want an eco boost, get it. I think it sounds nice for what it is.
My homie just got his and it sounds good. Not saying itās the best sounding car ever but itās not bad. I think the problem people have is that people will get an ecoboost and up badge and mod it and it wonāt really make a difference.
But hey. Itās their car. Let them do what they want. I remember getting clowned when I owned my 2000 v6 mustang making 185 Hp š. Fast forward now I have a hellcat and potentially am looking at either getting a Z06 or super snake. Just enjoy what you have.
Some of you arenāt old to enough to remember the hay-day of car magazines.
Middle school, kids would bring in these mags, argue about Ford-Chevy-Mopar, and at time, German or Japanese cars.
Articles were quoted, covers were pointed at, often only to put other cars and brands down. It often devolved into bullying.
Did it ever accomplish anything?
Whatever youāre thinking about real or imagined hatred, is it really worth worrying about? You donāt need to act like a victim.
Regain your self-composure, quit worrying about what a car has or doesnāt have, and go on about your life.
If your identity as a person is tied to your car, youāre never going to be happy.
The flip side of that: If someone attempts to tie your identity as a person to the car youāre driving, just smile, go on about your day. Thatās the middle school bullying tactic. They are attempting to elevate their self-worth with a few vicious words.
It doesnāt matter.
Just like anything else you'll have a group of douche canoes. My wife and I got one a little over a year ago I'd love to have a gt and the eco was all we could afford at the time and made the most sense on gas bc we commute out of town to our job. Added a intake, exhaust, and a intercooler and it sounds fantastic and a ton of fun to drive on the interstate.
If you want an Ecoboost then that's your choice and you're always free to do so, but for me the Mustang isn't just how it looks, but how it sounds, that V8, it's iconic.
They sound pretty diabolical, they are much better in the Focus RS (the car they actually suit) and there are far better options than an Ecoboost Mustang if you're not interested in a V8.
The looks and design of the Mustang just don't suit a small little higher pitched Ecoboost engine, its just.. wrong man, there's no like Reddit logical debate I could make for why it's weird, it just is yanno?
But, you're not a bad person for owning one, the hate is for the car, not you, so I wouldn't worry if you're not bothered.
Itās just elitism. Everyone is worried about whether someone has something ābetterā or āworseā than them without just being content and happy for what theyāve got.
For every ecoboost hater thereās more people out there who dream about having your car when it drives by.
I donāt even have a mustang (these days) but I learned long ago that someone will always talk shit no matter what you do or donāt do, so ignore it and just live your life.
I owned a 15 mustang eco boost, first one that came out. Loved that thing till someone totaled it. People are stubborn and only have 1 train of thought. They think owning a v8 means something. Thereās always a faster car on the road. People drive what they love, hating on someoneās choice is childish. But, what do you expect? Itās the only time someone might pay attention to them. Get the eco and spend the money on cosmetics to make it look unique. Youāll get far more looks and people will take way more photos, because of the cool or unique look, over a person driving a v8 that looks like anything else.
Ppl forget you could pretty much always get a mustang with a 6cyl, even the first gen had a straight 6 option. Im cool with it until they start putting it in the cobra/mach 1/boss/dark horse/whatever premium mustang's they have now.
I dont think it's a stigma or hate, but moreso like an attitude of "if youre going to do something, do it right".
In this case, "doing it right" is getting the V8.
Kinda like going to a steakhouse and ordering salmon.
Or going to a brewery to have non alcoholic beer.
It's stupid to hate on something so irrelevant but that would explain it
it is quite possibly, the worst car ive ever driven. Had one for 3 weeks while my car was in the shop. Beyond terrible handling, motor, transmission, fake sounds, slow.
Ummm I would say the 2016-2019 long block defect where the idiots decided to put slits in between cylinders to push more coolant that causes the entire block to shit the bed. And the fact that Ford is non responsive to this issue if it is outside of warranty, despite mileage. (despite being WELL aware of it since they created it). Additionally, it is the one of the known long block issues Ford doesnāt quite a have a lawsuit for yet.
I sure hope your ecoboost is a 2021+ if not and it isnāt in warranty go get warranty a yesterday. Ford will F* you
But Iām assuming youāre talking about the arrogant elites on here instead?? Hahah
Eco-boosts are fine! Its because the v4 engine with a turbo is a much more european-hot-hatch staple than an american muscle car, so the decision raised eyebrows. Whatever, drive what you drive
The sale of eco-boosts improves the sales numbers for mustangs as a whole so I have no issue with them. Higher the sales the higher the chances they keep making these cars. If you donāt understand the issue with an EcoBoost then great, keep buying them. It allows the rest of use to keep buying the V8 Mustangs we love.
Its because theres a v8 option. I bet if there was a probe or a falcon with the ecoboost instead of it being in a mustang itd be ok. Oh but wait, I forgot, that would be a car.
I donāt hate eco boost, thereās actually this women who works at the local bank who drives a grabber blue eco boost and I just want us to take our cars out on a date
you'll find idiots at every level of society. There are no exceptions. You can't swing a dead cat without whapping a few morons.
You can explain things to idiots, but you can't understand it for them.
I choose to allow them their idiocy, their own little version of the world. Who cares ?
No clue tbh.
Iāve loved cars my entire life, but even Iām considering an ecoboost when I graduate college (used obvi and as a gift to myself since I love cars sm). A V8 or V6 would be too expensive insurance and gas wise, but an ecoboost convertible would be lit. Enough hp to have fun, not enough to accidentally kill myself since Iām inexperienced.
Also, if Iām being honest, I just love the sound of a turbo and blow off valve. If I can get those two noises louder in an ecoboost Iād be more than happy.
To each their own! I realized I wanted one *after* I drove it and had a blast!
I have a 18 eco boost manual base. I wanted the GT at first but I hated the noises. I wanted a Mach e but did not want four doors because I have no kids yet. But I assume people just like the noises. Like the hertz Mach e GT e Shelby has exhaust noise too lol.
The internet is FILLED with huffy and sweaty puds who have a hate boner over anything they don't agree with.
They think you can only buy x car, with x engine and don't you ever think about doing it differently cause "it's not a real mustang"
These people are puds and are stupid.
Wanna ls swap your gt500? Absolutely go for it.
Autozone collection of stickers and overly chrome side vents on the suv mustang, have at it.
Paint your 69 boss 427 pink and put Honda badges on it? Do it and post pictures.
Life is too short to listen to what people think of cars. Drive it, enjoy it and make it your own
Eh, everyone has their different opinions on what does and doesn't deserve hate and that's fine, don't let it bother you. Just like how some people are Chevy guys or Dodge, Honda, whatever and hate any Mustang, I don't give two shits and won't ever let that keep me from enjoying my car. I hate on automatic Mustangs and pre-2011 non-V8s, but the 2011 and up V6 and the Ecoboosts are more of a "real Mustang" to me than a 2003 V6 for example.
I have a convertible and plenty of people hate on that, that's fine. I just laugh it off, just like you should just laugh it off if you have an automatic and I think that's not a real Mustang or if you have an Ecoboost and some people don't think that's a real Mustang. None of it is that serious, everyone can have fun talking their shit and having their opinions but at the end of the day all that matters is that you enjoy your car.
Where I'm from, there's very little difference price-wise between a V8 and Ecoboost. So why would you buy an expensive car that sounds like a cheap Golf when it could be so much more different? Doesn't make sense.
It's called SDE. Tons of people suffer from this condition. I, personally, am living with extreme BDE, and with that diagnosis, comes the side effect of me not giving a fuck what another person does, so long as it's not causing harm to others. Also, dick riders doing what they do.
i donāt dislike the cars i dislike some OWNERS, hear me out- a ecoboost is a great inbetween if you cannot afford or donāt want the hassle of a v8 and want more than a average car. itās the people who act like itās better than what it is. it is a quick car but i know someone who lies about beating hellcats and other cars way out of even a stock 5.0. also seeing ecoboosts get as much love as 5.0s from people who donāt know better makes you a little salty when youāre the owner of one š not the case for everyone but thatās my opinion
I considered one when the miles were getting high on my 11 v6.
It wasnāt for me. I donāt think itās a bad engine at all, but I just didnāt feel comfortable in the s550 platform. The s197 is much more comfortable for me.
I ended up upgrading to a different brand eventually and have been pretty happy with it.
Because on subs like this you get young people who think Mustangs were built to be something they're not -- dragsters, drift cars, Formula 1 or something. I didn't go Ecoboost because turbocharging tends to run engines hot, and also because I grew up with V-8s and like the feel and sound, and natural aspiration is more reliable IMO. But I've driven eco and yes, it's a nice sporty car still fun to drive.
There will always be a stigma because it's the base motor, and people are elitist. The only REAL issue comes when ecoboosts try to pretend that their cars are V8s. They're annoying.
Realistically, if the ecoboost was made by any other manufacturer or under a different nameplate, people would LOVE them. 2+2 FR coupe with a turbo 4cyl and a stick making 300+ hp? Sounds like a dream.
In my experience "hate" for the Ecoboost is more prevalent online than real life. I cruise with an S550 Mustang group and the few EcoBoost owners in the group are totally welcome. One guy has modded his beautifully from a cosmetic standpoint and is putting out more than 400 HP to the wheels. I wish I had his DIY skills because I think it would be fun modding an EcoBoost to add power.
The only thing the Ecoboost guys take some flak about is the sound. It's good natured banter, though, not what I would call hate.
I think a good chunk of basically everyone hates non-V8s. Itās very prominent in the Charger community. Not r/Charger but people in general. I hate seeing the SXTs and GTs get hate, especially seeing that the GT is basically the Scat of the V6 lineup
Iāve been interested in cars literally all my life, and I have no idea why people hate on other people for making a decision that they like. If you like the ecoboost, go for it. If the 5.0 is your thing, nothings stopping you. Cars are supposed to be about self expression and creativity.
Totally depends on what you are doing with your car. If you plan to race /track / drag it and/or are somebody who is all about modding/tuning, then yeah go with the V8. If you just want a fun, stylish, quick but reasonable daily driver then nothing wrong with the Eco. Better fuel efficiency, lower price, cheaper insurance too.
It's a matter if respect for the lines name really, the Mach E and the Ecos are probably great, but hard-core mustang lovers look at it like a small 4 cylinder. Bigger is better to most I guess.
Shoot I love my 2016 v6 stock. Added a Roush air intake and recently purchased a throttle body spacer to see if it would maybe increase sound a little. But plenty of people say āyou should have gotten the v8.ā And to them I say, if you want to throw me $10,000 Iāll go swap it out. I bought what I could afford. My car has since been paid off. I enjoy driving it every day and my second home is a gas station
The automatic transmission is god awful in the ecoboost. Is it the same for the bigger engine?
Also, the sound seems very try-hard. Canāt compete with a bigger engine, so why try.
Elitists.
Same people that will call your car slow if it doesnt have 600whp or more.
Same people that trash on automatics.
Same people that trash on stance cars.
Same people that trash on fwd.
Iām in love with mine. I canāt imagine going faster. Iām already going too fast most of the time. If I had a gt, Iād be in trouble. Never driven one though so Iām ok not knowing what Iām missing.
Just get a k&n drop in filter and a JB4 piggyback tuner. You donāt have to flash the ecu and worry about warranty writes on it being flagged. You can remove prior to service and be good. Get you up to like 330/400-360hp/450tq ish range. The turbo 4s rip low to mid rev range. Where you want the power anyways and is usable and are rear wheel drive. Had my mk7 gti tuned to similar power and thing ripped most things up to 100mph and still got 34mpg on the highway. My V8 GT gets like half that maybe.
Everyone is going to hate regardless. Got the ecoboost, shouldāve gotten the V8. You got the GT you shouldāve gotten the GT350. You got a GT350 you shouldāve gotten the GT500. Got a GT500, you didnāt get the carbon wheels. GTFO people.
Who cares man. Grip it and rip it. Is your whip, make it yours and enjoy it. Just donāt auto zone the poop out of it.
I don't have an issue with Ecoboosts. My 1st Mustang was a 94 V6. That was a slow, slow car. But it was mine and it got me into Mustangs and worked my way up to what I have now which is a 2004 Cobra. I knew it was never going to be fast, and I always wanted a GT or Cobra, so I did what I could to make it look good at the time while always admiring and wanting the higher models.
So in my opinion, the issue is generally not the cars, its the owners. For whatever reason they have a chip on their shoulder. They know they have the base model and instead of making it their own and seeing it as the stepping stone into the V8, they get defensive about their reasons for owning it (see /u/CantThnkOfGoodUsrnme ) or aggressive as to why the 4 cylinder is the better choice (It's a lighter engine and it handles better, bro).
Ultimately, the Eco is the car that sells the most units that keeps the V8 models around. So for that, I am grateful that they exist, people are buying them, and that I started with one and worked my way up to what I have now.
I don't even own a mustang nor do I hate people with the ecoboost but I see the mustang as a car with a big boi V8. If I want a v8 and want a new car, I'll probably get the Mustang GT because it's known for its V8. If I want a 4 cylinder sports car, I'll just for a GR Corolla, Elantra N, Type R, etc. I guess that's where the hate comes from. You got a 4 cylinder while the other person has a V8, so you're not "one of them." Just my two cents.
i think itās because mustangs are muscle cars or are supposed to be muscle cars. therefore people donāt like a muscle car without a muscle car engine.
Thereās nothing wrong with it.
It just isnāt a muscle car. And thatās ok. Iām glad this go round of stuffing a turboed 4 is working out, unlike the turbo gt and svo of the 80s.
Itās Mustang muscle car purists. Imagine how it was in the 80ās when the SVO came out. Probably as much hate. But I donāt mind the EB platform. I own a tuned and modified Taurus SHO and itāll easily blow a V8 at a dig and keep up till around 110+ but the mustang just has the legs to run past.
Sparks from "all muscle cars should have nothing but a V8" and also the general hate towards 4 cylinders in general. Alot of people get certain cars for status or to feed their egos. If they have something to say then surely they should (but don't) have the money to buy you a car and pay for gas/maintenance.
Car people are just haters in general. Hating because itās not a V8. Hating because itās not a manual. Hating because your car is stock and āyou should do xyz modā. Then there is plenty who will hate it just for being a Mustangā¦ādae hit crowds or poor handling/solid axle.
Probably 90% of the people whoāve made negative comments about me are so called car guys lol. Just ignore them.
Itās just elitist gatekeeping, but luckily, thereās not too many of them in this community. Everyone here usually respects each otherās personal opinions, so I wouldnāt let the hate get to you.
personally i did the same research too before i bought my ecoboost. Yes in every scenario the 5.0 is better 100% but just not in the cards for me at the moment. The ecoboost is a very good car so far itās more speed and style than i had before thatās my opinion. I donāt know if itās just my town but I always give a mustang i see driving around a quick glance and 60% of the time itās an eco so Iāve really come to not care. I like my car and thatās really all that matters to be honest
Because losers like to act like it matters. I have a 3.7L V6, and regularly get acosted in traffic because "I'd destroy you in a 1/4 mile."
My guy, you're driving a GT350... I SURELY hope so.
I'm just trying to drive home from work. Don't get me wrong, I love my car, but I know what it is. It's not like a run around revving the motor or chirping tires out of red lights.
My first mustang was a 1996 V6 LS in opal frost. I loved that car more than anything. I got a ton of shit back then because it wasn't a GT but I couldn't have cared less. Love what you drive. I've owned several stangs since then but I'll always have a special place in my heart for that one. My current mustang is a beast and I do love it but I never think of telling another mustang driver "Oh why didn't you spring for a Mach1?" That's just petty bs. Love your ride...don't worry about the other stuff.
IDK its a 4 banger in a Mustang?
I don't recall the SVO getting much hate back in the day, though. Fucker could handle and was about as powerful as the LX/GT 5.0.
I feel you on that. But Iāll say as long as Iāve owned my 3.7 ā14 (5 years), Iāve only ever seen those asinine takes online, never in real life.
That being said, I went from a Mazda3 with like 150hp so the āStang was and still is the fastest/most powerful car Iāve owned. Though Iāll admit, after 5 years, I am ready to something with a little more kickback š
I think there's a lot of "elite-ism" when it comes to cars. Generally nothing wrong with an Ecoboost. Just don't rice it out, or make it sound bad.
Just turn up the boost and leave the exhaust stock that's what I did š¤·āāļø
How much HP do you pick up doing that?
Don't do that unless you're ok with the risk. You have a small, hot-running engine producing a lot of power for it's size. You turn up the stress on it you're asking for trouble later.
On the dyno 300whp/350wtq 100+ heat in July so maybe a little more. Still get 36mpg and it'll run neck and neck with scat packs up until the govern at 120mph.
I am so confused, youāre getting better fuel economy than stock, and a scat pack what, dart? š
Imagine this person getting behind the wheel of a v8 and trying to reconcile that same comment. Dude is trying to flex.
I mean Iāve seen ecoboosts beat scat packs with bad drivers off the line, and even seen a few stage 3 ecoboosts beat them at the strip, but beat an almost 500hp car to 120 and get 36 mpg while doing it? Only time my ecoboost ever saw anything close to 36 mpg was if I reset it going down hill lmao.
Jessie Ringley from EMS currently holds the world record for the ecoboost mustang. He ran a 8.5 sec 1/4 mile. He is pushing around 1000hp to the wheel.
It's no way near as bad for other groups of cars. You drive a BMW 340i, no one asks you "why no me broooo??" Same this for an S5 over RS5 or a RC350 over a RCF. Mustang/Camaro/Challenger folks are the absolute worst when it comes to dick measuring.
Do we have to do this every day?
Honestly. Iām not super active on this thread but everyday it pops up on my feed. This exact question whether it be about ecoboosts or the v6 mustang. Good god
ehhh people get very self-conscious when the don't feel they own the "Real version of the car". Thats why I think we get this post everyday. They just need to accept and enjoy what they have.
I mean I have an ecoboost and I got told at work "your car sounds like a bitch" by a teenager with a unibrow and a lifted RAM with dual smoke stacks that were probably paid for by his dad. He was brand new fresh out out of high school and he had the balls to say that as I walked by him. And I have taken shit from several people over it. I don't care, I like my car. But I have never once asked for people's advice on if I made the right choice, but I have received that "advice" *many* times.
I hate it when parents buy their bratty kids expensive cars, especially big trucks for some reason. I see these obnoxious teen boys with trucks everywhere in Florida, acting like they're big shit with their big Tonka toy dad bought for them.
I live in rural NW Ohio which is all flat farm land. Half the people I work with have lifted trucks and give me shit for my mustang and my ranger. I show them pictures of my ranger muddy and off road, and ask them where their offroad pics are. Shuts them up for the most part.
I love that. Big expensive pavement princesses, the lot of them.
Same out here in rural Texas. I get that you really do need a truck like an F-150 or something in the country, but I see these high school guys driving an F-350 max-cab and such. It's just a "rich family" status symbol.
And not even an F-150 unless you need to pull heavy stuff lol. Those little Honda work trucks you see in other countries, and are now being imported here because of the age statute, can do a ton of work. Americans have turned large trucks into a luxury vehicle status symbol, for sure.
Missourian here. I'm 30 and I've had 8 mustangs, all within the last 12 years. One of those 8 was even a Terminator and i STILL got shit for not having a truck because "real men drive trucks" lmao It's always fun to watch their response when I ask if "real men" are also scared to use their "work vehicle" (which is, by their justification, a truck) since they couldve bought a bentley or a used lambo for the same price. They seem to shut up real fast when they realize how big of a financial mistake they made. Must be nice being dumb enough to travel down to the closest stealership and drop 120k on a "work vehicle" that never leaves the garage like... \*checks notes\* ... a fucking race car lmao. Wont ever understand people who spend 6 figures on a Denali, but then look at an Audi R8 like its untouchable. Limitless information at your fingertips but THAT is the choice? lol to each their own I suppose.
Wait until his truck breaks down then just smile š¶
Thatās funny, so do you, would have been my response ;p
I just did a double take and internally said "who the fuck are you?" I had never seen him before. I just told him "it's a 4 cylinder that gets 100 horses per cylinder." Left out that it was modded. He just said "oh." And I kept walking.
Tell them, "when you grow up you'll understand."
Look, son, when I want your opinion... wait, never mind. I would never want your opinion."
This 100% if you didnāt feel self-conscious about your car you probably wouldnāt make posts defending it.
I think is very true, I traded in my 2011 v6 mustang because it didnāt feel like the real thing, wouldāve loved a new gt but it was out of budget so I got a brand new wrx so I donāt have to worry about having a lesser trim, ultimately it doesnāt really matter though
Iām in the Challenger and Camaro threads. Same things there too.
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he's new to mustangs. we should be more of an open group.
Because people have a need to shit in others to show that their cheap sports car makes them better then others. Nothing wrong with an eco boost at all. People are just going to hate.
Precisely. Same thing happens in the Dodge community with an R/T vs Scatpack vs Hellcat vs Demon, etc. āOh you got an Scat but itās not a hellcatā āOh you got a $80K hellcat, but itās not a demon, etc.ā
Hate how an eco boost is called slowed, now a days anything making 300 HP is considered slow like horsepower isnāt everything in life
Thatās true. Nowadays even hybrid can be fast now. Especially those German cars in the street, they always go so fast, as if we actually even need 0-60 4s car in public street
Right. The 315hp the ecoboost makes is the same as or more than any GT made before 2010
Nothing wrong with the ecoboost. I think the hate comes from guys doing engine/performance mods on their ecoboost when a stock coyote would run circles around any (modest) build and sound better doing it. You would likely be money ahead in buying a coyote in the first place, and have better resale value down the road. If you get the opportunity to drive a coyote Mustang, please do so. It's a night and day difference in feel and power versus the ecoboost.
>If you get the opportunity to drive a coyote Mustang, please do so. It's a night and day difference in feel and power versus the ecoboost. Yeah once I cold started my car and test drove I couldn't buy anything else.
I went from test driving it for fun to ordering a GT the next day lol
Did the exact same thing. Was about to pull the trigger on an ecoboost convertible with every option then drove the V8 for the heck of it... and promptly started searching for the V8 convertible with every option š« tbh it cost WAY too much but luckily I'm in a financial position to be stupid and I LOVE it and have no plans to ever sell it
Iām in my late 20ās and the first time I heard the sales guy start my car i giggled like a toddler lol
This
But whatās wrong with modding? Itās a ton of fun to mod cars, and yeah its easier to make more power with the coyote but thats not in everyoneās budget.
>its easier to make more power with the coyote It's not simply "easier to make more power with the coyote". The coyote makes more power in stock form than 90% of modded ecoboosts. You would have more power with less money & time if you simply bought a coyote in the first place, instead of modding an ecoboost. EDIT: wanted to add, the one thing the Ecoboost does better than the Coyote is better torque at takeoff. That advantage quickly disappears above 3k rpm however.
The coyote is the better platform, but the cost difference from an eco to a GT is huge. Pre facelift s550ās are much closer in price, but comparable year and miles? You can make an eco as quick as a GT for a fraction of the cost difference between them. Even still, GT performance isnāt always the goal. Itās just more enjoyment to drive, thatās always the target.
I gotta disagree here, you aren't making an eco comparable to a stock get in terms of performance for cheap. You'd need downpipes, a full exhaust, e85, injectors, and a full intake system, to be close to what a coyote makes, and you can take a coyote to 500whp for quite literally about 1000, you need headers a cold air and e85. To do that to an eco you'd need to buy a bigger turbo that starts around 1500 with supporting mods
I would have to agree itās a night and day difference, but it honestly depends on your surroundings. I live in a mustang family, Iāve had a v6 2007, I currently own a 2016 eco, and my dad has a 2019 performance pack GT. His third GT. Iāve driven them multiple times. The GT is better for straight lines but has a very heavy nose and performs best at higher rpms. The eco shines due to its light nose and high torque at lower rpms. This works well in high traffic areas like Houston where I live. It all comes down to preference and your driving habits. I would say the added price is purely for the sound in my area.
I've driven both and while I wound up getting the V8 I LOVED the nimbleness of the V4 with the front weight reduction especially when hitting corners. First time in the V8 felt like driving a boat after that but as with all things you quickly get used to what you've got and learn to drive it accordingly. The active exhaust and option to put it in quiet mode is my favorite feature on the V8. I know I sacrificed some speed and agility with the convertible but driving with the top down is half the fun
I couldnāt agree more. The active exhaust is such a beautiful addition. Although I love my eco, nothing and I mean nothing can replace the sound of a naturally aspirated V8! You made a great choice my friend and I hope you continue to get all the smiles per gallon you deserve.
This is it. Somone that takes the same highway to work with me every day has an ecoboost that is done up like crazy, lowered, lots of aero, cringy stickers. And super loud. He drives like an ass and I assume it has performance mods. My mustang gt is bone stock. He tried to cut me off one day and I wasn't having it, dude tried several times to get in front of me. The coyote is just such a more capable engine, with mods it's world's ahead. The eco boost is meant to be enjoyed as it is. Too many eco owners over compensate and go absolutely wild on the mods. It's your car, do what you want. But ima always roll my eyes a but when I see a hoonigan sticker and 5k worth of earo on an ecoboost. Also, the eco does not have ~that~ much better mpg. It's 6-8 mpg difference. If you're interested in an eco. At least test drive a gt. Then make your decision
6-8 is enough to make a difference over the long term. I think both models are great for their own reasons. I got the ecoboost because I wanted something less boring than my old Taurus but still economical. I almost bought a Civic sport which I'm glad I didn't do.
6-8 is a pretty big difference.
Most the ecoboost hate comes from either keyboard warriors and internet trolls. I've never had a real life problem. If its someone in real life it tends to be someone that doesn't even own any type of sporty car. Just a basic econobox type car. V8 owners in real life are very accepting of V6 and Ecoboost mustangs. They don't care as long as you like mustangs.
Thatās my experience too. The only person who talks crap is my best friend. Heās a v8 elitist. Heās still sour the GT got a V6. The only time Iāve heard him say good things about a V6 is my Explorer ST. Likely only because itās mine and he was being nice
If I had a dollar for every time someone made a post saying āwhy do people hate ecoboosts?ā I could probably buy a gt
Itās usually ecoboost owners that upbadge
There are plenty of GTs out there wearing cobras on them that aren't made by shebly america, GT350s, GT500s.
We donāt like them either
Nothing worse than a New Edge with a Cobra R wing
GT350/500 aren't even made by Shelby are they?Ā
No hate. But as the Zen Master says "Many men with a 4 cylinder lust after a V8, but no man with a V8 lusts after a 4 cylinder."
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5.0 w. 10 speed easily gets 28ish mpg or better on a long commute.Ā
Me, the contrarian: I have a 19 GT but still lust for an 05-06 Evo 8 š
I'm so glad that this exact post is made at least weekly. God forbid we don't have this same conversation in perpetuity.
Who isnāt letting you enjoy your car?k
There is no real hate outside of the internet . Away from people who don't own a single nice car . I don't like the ecoboost cause with the same features I want it's not cheap enough to justify the price. However , it's faster than pretty much every single mustang before the coyote save for the Terminator and new edge cobra R , gets double the MPG and handles so much better it's not even fair. Also , ecoboost drivers are stereotyped with buying an ecoboost and spending 10k on wheels , tires and crappy mods instead of just getting a GT.
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Nobody who actually knows or works with cars would ever dog eco boost or 6cyl models. Mfers out here telling on themselves when they act gatekeepingly about it.
I have a ā21 eco and I have never gotten hate for it. In fact it surprises most people that ride in it. Also I drive 40 miles to work and the same home everyday. I have a car I enjoy, and only fill up once a week most of the time. Iāll take the fuel economy and 85% of the performance any day.
85% of the performance of a Mustang GT? lol
Well stock vs stock he's kinda right but once you mod that ratio is way different
70% if your counting raw horsepower only, Iād say his assessment is quite right when you factor other thingsā¦
Itās 64.81% assuming the Ecoboost has 315 HP and the GT has 486.
For my model year '21 with my ecoboost being a HPP car it was 330 vs 460 which would be 71.73% also being 200lbs lighter, it was a figure of speech. My real point is not everyone buys a car just to go fast. I wanted a mustang for the looks, I'm commuting and driving it normally 98% of the time. With the other 2% just doing a burnout here or there or doughnuts once in a while. Like I said I will take the fuel economy.
Insecure people tend to feel fulfilled by hating on others.
To start: Idk why people fucking care, are THEY the ones that are paying monthly or paid for your car? If not, they can stfu. Answer: Not sure. I love my Eco Nite Pony. Iām not into the performance of cars and shit, I just like the way they look. My daily is a Mazda CX5 Carbon, so this is like a āvery coolā car for me. Iām afraid to do anything over 70 anyway, I really donāt care. I will mod my eco as much the fuck I want because no one else here paid the 31,000. I put the RTR body, Flowmaster exhausts, eibach lowering springs, gonna put some spacers next AGAIN: IF YOU AINT PAYING MY FUCKING BILLS, STFU ABOUT MY CAR. YOUR OPINION AINT SHIT IF YOU AINT FILLIN MY POCKETS G.
I have an ecoboost premium 2018 and I LOVE IT. I can see the overwhelming majority loves GTs and nicer ones. But mine is still a mustang, still beautiful, still has that kick, and the turbo gets me hard. Fuck the haters. Any real mustang enthusiast can still appreciate a mustang like the ecoboost. Now the electric mustang... that's another story LOL
I'm on the side that doesnt care, people drive what they want to drive I do live by a university, and the majority of people driving aggressive around me or trying to race me are altimas, maximas, corollas, velosters and ecoboosts
Thatās life. People hate on everything if it doesnāt fit their tastes/budget. Just look on any car subreddit. It also gets a reaction which I think the haters like, youāre defending your eco boots purchase in this very thread.
Doesnāt sound like a V8. Pretty much the only reason lol
I don't understand people complaining about getting hate.. I had an eco for 2 years and no one ever said a word to me about it not being a v8.
Hereās why I think thereās hate https://youtube.com/shorts/-gAWJ2ek15Y?si=jELAV7KGc7pjUX_-
I think itās better to ignore the hate from weird fucks who worry so much about what another person spends their money on
It's because it's a difference to expectations. The cool part of a muscle car, is it's roaring v8 (they may be ponies, but non car people would call it a muscle car.) So if I expect a V8 and end up with half the v, theres gonna be disappointment. Rude people lash out thanks to their disappointment.
Because there are a lot of people around who still remember the Mustang 2 "situation." Ford made a 4 cylinder mustang to battle rising gas prices, but it was a complete turd. No power, no speed, no fun. It left a super sour taste in buyers' mouths and a stain on the Mustang name. Now people don't trust them. Coupling it with a turbo helps with the power, speed, and fun issues, but if you blow the turbo, you're left with a 4 cylinder Mustang if the engine still works at all.
I had a 1975 Mustang II with the 302. By modern standards it was a "DOG"!!!
Thank yāall for the comments, I now understand this is a very āpick meā topic and will just love the car I worked for ā¤ļø nice to be apart of the community
No hate for ecoboosts, but I do hate people who post āwhy so much hate on ecoboostā threads every other day on this forum. Stop being self conscious and enjoy your car
You answered your own question. "It's not a V8" will get you hate in the Mustang community.
I think it really depends on what you want out of a car. If I was gonna get a Mustang I'd go for the full experience and get the V8. It gives you the sound and speed. I'd personally get a different sports sedan that can go just as fast as an ecoboost without sacrificing practicality like 4 doors and extra trunk space. I think lame ass people judge you for not being able to afford the GT. If you really just love the body's of Mustangs that yeah go for the ecoboost.
Because they areā¦ 
I have no hate, maybe some light ribbing in good fun sometimes, but ecoboosts give EPA credits and are part of the reason I can have a V8. If it was not for ecoboosts, and ,shudder, the MachE the V8 would have gone the way of the Camaro and Challenger.
The people that have the hate are typically donāt have them. Itās not that big of a deal with the mustang community. There is a small segment believe that mustangs are muscle cars and should only be V8s. True mustangs fans donāt really care about that. They may have a favorite but are mustangs fans first and foremost.
"BuT iT's NoT a V8!" Mine has more horsepower than my Dakota that is a V8. Maybe I'll get one someday, but housing comes first and my ex hates this car, and you can't put a price on that.
The Eco puts out more HP (315) than my wife's '08 Edge with the V6 (265), which puts out more HP than my Grand Marquis with the V8 (242). For someone who has no intention of tracking, racing, or modding, the Eco makes the best sense.
Daily āpwease stawp making fun on my ecobwoostā post. Bro just drive your car 99% of people dont even know what your car is
I owned an Ecoboost for several years and got far more compliments than hate. The haters are generally underwater on a GT or simply don't own a mustang at all. I only sold it because I got more than what I paid for it. It was a great car.
For me, I'm generally enraged at CAFE standards. It's not that I don't want efficient vehicles or I have some issue with turbocharged small engines, it's that I hate that these cars are designed according to a silly set of rules that don't apply to everyone. So, as an example, if you want to design a turbocharged car and people want to buy it...great. But what happens is the cars are frequently modified in ways that make them unnaturally expensive and less reliable so that some subset of poors can bring down our carbon emissions. It leads to bad engineering, and the customer loses. It makes the mpg a more important metric than whether or not you're selling a good car to the customer. And it only applies to folks who can't afford to pay more. The thing that bothers me is that these aren't sold because they're good, they're sold because they *allow better engines to be sold*. And my issue isn't with the buyer it's with just the notion of how some customers are exploited so that other customers can have nice things.
5.0 go brrrr
Insecurity.
It's up to you if you will let others affect your enjoyment. Personally the eco is better than the V6 in any measurable metric and it's a cool engine but it's just out of place in the mustang chassis. Lime people make fun of Honda's for being slow and sounding fast but in this case it's looking fast but being slow. Obviously there are outliers but this is just a factory comparison.
On my house a Mustang is a Mustang. Doesnāt matter if itās a basic one line my 2024 or the modified 2020GT sitting in the lot. I like my car, my daughter likes my car and who cares what any one else thinks. There will always be the stuck up people who think their car is better than yours.
In my opinion the ecoboost is a great car but shouldāve been on a smaller platform or slightly different somehow and called something else. Itās like walking into a steakhouse and ordering their chicken which is probably still great but you know ā¦ itās not their steak. I feel like if I owned one, which I donāt, Iād always know there was something missing. Some people are okay with that
There is no hate from me, but I would never have considered an eco boost. For me, they should have called it a modern version of a Ford escort, great cars, great handling, and cult following.
For me it kind feels like a loss of excitement when I donāt see the 5.0 or GT badge, but really I donāt care what kind of Mustang you drive, as long as youāre happy thatās all that matters. I will say that when I bought my GT I was very annoyed with the salespeople at every dealer I went to pushing for me to buy the ecoboost premium when I could buy a standard GT for almost the same price, Iād tell them that I clearly wanted the 5.0 but they wouldnāt listen.
Because if youāre looking for a sporty 4 cylinder, Mustang is not the platform. BMW has basically perfected this over decades of building them. Really makes no sense to get the eco boost.
I rented a '24 Eco-Boost Mustang convertible last winter while vacationing in Florida. I found it to be a very fun car to drive and thoroughly enjoyed it. But I'm not so sure it would hold up well over the long run, and that's why I'd hesitate to buy one. I'm not an expert and I welcome knowledgeable input to prove that I'm wrong. If those engines are trouble-free when the mileage adds up, I might want to buy one. This was the newest Mustang I have driven and I have to say that the handling/suspension of these cars is dramatically improved over the older models.
I had a brand new 2020 eco and I couldnt accept it because I really wanted the v-8 plus it was always really hot in there in the summertime even with the ac on full blast so I traded and got a 22 charger rt also new at the time. Now I wish I would have got a scat pack. Shit never ends but I'm done playing that game. Funny part is people always say nice "challenger" and I just say thanks!
The hate is from people on the internet. Same people who wouldnāt confront someone about it in real life š. We all start somewhere. If you want an eco boost, get it. I think it sounds nice for what it is. My homie just got his and it sounds good. Not saying itās the best sounding car ever but itās not bad. I think the problem people have is that people will get an ecoboost and up badge and mod it and it wonāt really make a difference. But hey. Itās their car. Let them do what they want. I remember getting clowned when I owned my 2000 v6 mustang making 185 Hp š. Fast forward now I have a hellcat and potentially am looking at either getting a Z06 or super snake. Just enjoy what you have.
Hey, your opinion is the only one that mattersā¦ā¦.do you love your car?ā¦..if so, donāt worry about everyone else!
Some of you arenāt old to enough to remember the hay-day of car magazines. Middle school, kids would bring in these mags, argue about Ford-Chevy-Mopar, and at time, German or Japanese cars. Articles were quoted, covers were pointed at, often only to put other cars and brands down. It often devolved into bullying. Did it ever accomplish anything? Whatever youāre thinking about real or imagined hatred, is it really worth worrying about? You donāt need to act like a victim. Regain your self-composure, quit worrying about what a car has or doesnāt have, and go on about your life. If your identity as a person is tied to your car, youāre never going to be happy. The flip side of that: If someone attempts to tie your identity as a person to the car youāre driving, just smile, go on about your day. Thatās the middle school bullying tactic. They are attempting to elevate their self-worth with a few vicious words. It doesnāt matter.
Just like anything else you'll have a group of douche canoes. My wife and I got one a little over a year ago I'd love to have a gt and the eco was all we could afford at the time and made the most sense on gas bc we commute out of town to our job. Added a intake, exhaust, and a intercooler and it sounds fantastic and a ton of fun to drive on the interstate.
If you want an Ecoboost then that's your choice and you're always free to do so, but for me the Mustang isn't just how it looks, but how it sounds, that V8, it's iconic. They sound pretty diabolical, they are much better in the Focus RS (the car they actually suit) and there are far better options than an Ecoboost Mustang if you're not interested in a V8. The looks and design of the Mustang just don't suit a small little higher pitched Ecoboost engine, its just.. wrong man, there's no like Reddit logical debate I could make for why it's weird, it just is yanno? But, you're not a bad person for owning one, the hate is for the car, not you, so I wouldn't worry if you're not bothered.
Itās just elitism. Everyone is worried about whether someone has something ābetterā or āworseā than them without just being content and happy for what theyāve got. For every ecoboost hater thereās more people out there who dream about having your car when it drives by. I donāt even have a mustang (these days) but I learned long ago that someone will always talk shit no matter what you do or donāt do, so ignore it and just live your life.
I owned a 15 mustang eco boost, first one that came out. Loved that thing till someone totaled it. People are stubborn and only have 1 train of thought. They think owning a v8 means something. Thereās always a faster car on the road. People drive what they love, hating on someoneās choice is childish. But, what do you expect? Itās the only time someone might pay attention to them. Get the eco and spend the money on cosmetics to make it look unique. Youāll get far more looks and people will take way more photos, because of the cool or unique look, over a person driving a v8 that looks like anything else.
Ppl forget you could pretty much always get a mustang with a 6cyl, even the first gen had a straight 6 option. Im cool with it until they start putting it in the cobra/mach 1/boss/dark horse/whatever premium mustang's they have now.
I dont think it's a stigma or hate, but moreso like an attitude of "if youre going to do something, do it right". In this case, "doing it right" is getting the V8. Kinda like going to a steakhouse and ordering salmon. Or going to a brewery to have non alcoholic beer. It's stupid to hate on something so irrelevant but that would explain it
I have a 5.0 any I don't hate the Ecoboost, I'll still talk mustangs with an Ecoboost owner
I just wish they would've called it the SVO instead of just an ecoboost.
Donāt up badge and donāt modify the exhaust and itās all good.
it is quite possibly, the worst car ive ever driven. Had one for 3 weeks while my car was in the shop. Beyond terrible handling, motor, transmission, fake sounds, slow.
It's a step in the impending direction of a future with no V8 mustang in the lineup.
Ummm I would say the 2016-2019 long block defect where the idiots decided to put slits in between cylinders to push more coolant that causes the entire block to shit the bed. And the fact that Ford is non responsive to this issue if it is outside of warranty, despite mileage. (despite being WELL aware of it since they created it). Additionally, it is the one of the known long block issues Ford doesnāt quite a have a lawsuit for yet. I sure hope your ecoboost is a 2021+ if not and it isnāt in warranty go get warranty a yesterday. Ford will F* you But Iām assuming youāre talking about the arrogant elites on here instead?? Hahah
It's a personal choice. I really don't care what kind of engine is in anybody's car but mine.
If you think itās fun, who is it thatās not letting you enjoy a fun car?
Try owning the Mach-E
Who is not letting you enjoy what you think is a fun car?
Eco-boosts are fine! Its because the v4 engine with a turbo is a much more european-hot-hatch staple than an american muscle car, so the decision raised eyebrows. Whatever, drive what you drive
The sale of eco-boosts improves the sales numbers for mustangs as a whole so I have no issue with them. Higher the sales the higher the chances they keep making these cars. If you donāt understand the issue with an EcoBoost then great, keep buying them. It allows the rest of use to keep buying the V8 Mustangs we love.
Its because theres a v8 option. I bet if there was a probe or a falcon with the ecoboost instead of it being in a mustang itd be ok. Oh but wait, I forgot, that would be a car.
I donāt hate eco boost, thereās actually this women who works at the local bank who drives a grabber blue eco boost and I just want us to take our cars out on a date
you'll find idiots at every level of society. There are no exceptions. You can't swing a dead cat without whapping a few morons. You can explain things to idiots, but you can't understand it for them. I choose to allow them their idiocy, their own little version of the world. Who cares ?
Because half of them are like this where they beg for validation
I love it in my work truck. That thing moves out
As long as you enjoy the car, ignore everyone else and their opinions. Enjoy the ride.
No clue tbh. Iāve loved cars my entire life, but even Iām considering an ecoboost when I graduate college (used obvi and as a gift to myself since I love cars sm). A V8 or V6 would be too expensive insurance and gas wise, but an ecoboost convertible would be lit. Enough hp to have fun, not enough to accidentally kill myself since Iām inexperienced. Also, if Iām being honest, I just love the sound of a turbo and blow off valve. If I can get those two noises louder in an ecoboost Iād be more than happy. To each their own! I realized I wanted one *after* I drove it and had a blast!
I have a 18 eco boost manual base. I wanted the GT at first but I hated the noises. I wanted a Mach e but did not want four doors because I have no kids yet. But I assume people just like the noises. Like the hertz Mach e GT e Shelby has exhaust noise too lol.
The internet is FILLED with huffy and sweaty puds who have a hate boner over anything they don't agree with. They think you can only buy x car, with x engine and don't you ever think about doing it differently cause "it's not a real mustang" These people are puds and are stupid. Wanna ls swap your gt500? Absolutely go for it. Autozone collection of stickers and overly chrome side vents on the suv mustang, have at it. Paint your 69 boss 427 pink and put Honda badges on it? Do it and post pictures. Life is too short to listen to what people think of cars. Drive it, enjoy it and make it your own
Eh, everyone has their different opinions on what does and doesn't deserve hate and that's fine, don't let it bother you. Just like how some people are Chevy guys or Dodge, Honda, whatever and hate any Mustang, I don't give two shits and won't ever let that keep me from enjoying my car. I hate on automatic Mustangs and pre-2011 non-V8s, but the 2011 and up V6 and the Ecoboosts are more of a "real Mustang" to me than a 2003 V6 for example. I have a convertible and plenty of people hate on that, that's fine. I just laugh it off, just like you should just laugh it off if you have an automatic and I think that's not a real Mustang or if you have an Ecoboost and some people don't think that's a real Mustang. None of it is that serious, everyone can have fun talking their shit and having their opinions but at the end of the day all that matters is that you enjoy your car.
Where I'm from, there's very little difference price-wise between a V8 and Ecoboost. So why would you buy an expensive car that sounds like a cheap Golf when it could be so much more different? Doesn't make sense.
No skill involved buying a more expensive car. Pretty weird flex.
It's called SDE. Tons of people suffer from this condition. I, personally, am living with extreme BDE, and with that diagnosis, comes the side effect of me not giving a fuck what another person does, so long as it's not causing harm to others. Also, dick riders doing what they do.
i donāt dislike the cars i dislike some OWNERS, hear me out- a ecoboost is a great inbetween if you cannot afford or donāt want the hassle of a v8 and want more than a average car. itās the people who act like itās better than what it is. it is a quick car but i know someone who lies about beating hellcats and other cars way out of even a stock 5.0. also seeing ecoboosts get as much love as 5.0s from people who donāt know better makes you a little salty when youāre the owner of one š not the case for everyone but thatās my opinion
Well we canāt hate on it this month because itās pride month š Iām kidding!! donāt come for me PC babies!!
I considered one when the miles were getting high on my 11 v6. It wasnāt for me. I donāt think itās a bad engine at all, but I just didnāt feel comfortable in the s550 platform. The s197 is much more comfortable for me. I ended up upgrading to a different brand eventually and have been pretty happy with it.
Because on subs like this you get young people who think Mustangs were built to be something they're not -- dragsters, drift cars, Formula 1 or something. I didn't go Ecoboost because turbocharging tends to run engines hot, and also because I grew up with V-8s and like the feel and sound, and natural aspiration is more reliable IMO. But I've driven eco and yes, it's a nice sporty car still fun to drive.
There will always be a stigma because it's the base motor, and people are elitist. The only REAL issue comes when ecoboosts try to pretend that their cars are V8s. They're annoying. Realistically, if the ecoboost was made by any other manufacturer or under a different nameplate, people would LOVE them. 2+2 FR coupe with a turbo 4cyl and a stick making 300+ hp? Sounds like a dream.
In my experience "hate" for the Ecoboost is more prevalent online than real life. I cruise with an S550 Mustang group and the few EcoBoost owners in the group are totally welcome. One guy has modded his beautifully from a cosmetic standpoint and is putting out more than 400 HP to the wheels. I wish I had his DIY skills because I think it would be fun modding an EcoBoost to add power. The only thing the Ecoboost guys take some flak about is the sound. It's good natured banter, though, not what I would call hate.
I think a good chunk of basically everyone hates non-V8s. Itās very prominent in the Charger community. Not r/Charger but people in general. I hate seeing the SXTs and GTs get hate, especially seeing that the GT is basically the Scat of the V6 lineup
Just don't modify it. You don't have the money for it and already bought a car before you built up wealth. Tell me I'm wrong.
Most of this sub is opinions about some other car. Really nothing useful.
Dude I drive a 3.8 auto. Iām a glutton for bullying.
This comment made my day I really out loud chuckled š
You bought the car. It's up to you if you want to let others hate on it or not.
Iāve been interested in cars literally all my life, and I have no idea why people hate on other people for making a decision that they like. If you like the ecoboost, go for it. If the 5.0 is your thing, nothings stopping you. Cars are supposed to be about self expression and creativity.
Totally depends on what you are doing with your car. If you plan to race /track / drag it and/or are somebody who is all about modding/tuning, then yeah go with the V8. If you just want a fun, stylish, quick but reasonable daily driver then nothing wrong with the Eco. Better fuel efficiency, lower price, cheaper insurance too.
It's a matter if respect for the lines name really, the Mach E and the Ecos are probably great, but hard-core mustang lovers look at it like a small 4 cylinder. Bigger is better to most I guess.
I think it's because a big turbo with a little engine is kind of a European car thing. Not muscle car like.
Shoot I love my 2016 v6 stock. Added a Roush air intake and recently purchased a throttle body spacer to see if it would maybe increase sound a little. But plenty of people say āyou should have gotten the v8.ā And to them I say, if you want to throw me $10,000 Iāll go swap it out. I bought what I could afford. My car has since been paid off. I enjoy driving it every day and my second home is a gas station
Because anything EcoBoost is a lemon, and will need to be rebuilt or replaced before the warranty is up. Just ask any honest mechanic...š
The automatic transmission is god awful in the ecoboost. Is it the same for the bigger engine? Also, the sound seems very try-hard. Canāt compete with a bigger engine, so why try.
Itās slower than an f150
Same thing with most cars that have higher trims. > see non-AMG, non-M, and non S/RS drivers
Elitists. Same people that will call your car slow if it doesnt have 600whp or more. Same people that trash on automatics. Same people that trash on stance cars. Same people that trash on fwd.
It has to do with external device(tiurbocharger) to give it power I'll take a V8 anyday. Driving V8 now Love it
Iām in love with mine. I canāt imagine going faster. Iām already going too fast most of the time. If I had a gt, Iād be in trouble. Never driven one though so Iām ok not knowing what Iām missing.
Just get a k&n drop in filter and a JB4 piggyback tuner. You donāt have to flash the ecu and worry about warranty writes on it being flagged. You can remove prior to service and be good. Get you up to like 330/400-360hp/450tq ish range. The turbo 4s rip low to mid rev range. Where you want the power anyways and is usable and are rear wheel drive. Had my mk7 gti tuned to similar power and thing ripped most things up to 100mph and still got 34mpg on the highway. My V8 GT gets like half that maybe. Everyone is going to hate regardless. Got the ecoboost, shouldāve gotten the V8. You got the GT you shouldāve gotten the GT350. You got a GT350 you shouldāve gotten the GT500. Got a GT500, you didnāt get the carbon wheels. GTFO people. Who cares man. Grip it and rip it. Is your whip, make it yours and enjoy it. Just donāt auto zone the poop out of it.
Because Mustangs should come with a V8. The four cylinder should reserved for smaller cars.
I don't have an issue with Ecoboosts. My 1st Mustang was a 94 V6. That was a slow, slow car. But it was mine and it got me into Mustangs and worked my way up to what I have now which is a 2004 Cobra. I knew it was never going to be fast, and I always wanted a GT or Cobra, so I did what I could to make it look good at the time while always admiring and wanting the higher models. So in my opinion, the issue is generally not the cars, its the owners. For whatever reason they have a chip on their shoulder. They know they have the base model and instead of making it their own and seeing it as the stepping stone into the V8, they get defensive about their reasons for owning it (see /u/CantThnkOfGoodUsrnme ) or aggressive as to why the 4 cylinder is the better choice (It's a lighter engine and it handles better, bro). Ultimately, the Eco is the car that sells the most units that keeps the V8 models around. So for that, I am grateful that they exist, people are buying them, and that I started with one and worked my way up to what I have now.
Because it has fake muscle car vibes.
Plus most these 5.0 owners are older guys or young guys who have made terrible financial decisions lol
Nothing against an Eco! Itās faster than my RT challenger. I love the 5.7 though.
I have a 16 2.7 evoboost that thing is pretty quick for such small displacement ... but I also have a 21 mach 1 .. nuff said
Because it's not #1, a v8 and has a worse sound than a v6 mustangš
I don't even own a mustang nor do I hate people with the ecoboost but I see the mustang as a car with a big boi V8. If I want a v8 and want a new car, I'll probably get the Mustang GT because it's known for its V8. If I want a 4 cylinder sports car, I'll just for a GR Corolla, Elantra N, Type R, etc. I guess that's where the hate comes from. You got a 4 cylinder while the other person has a V8, so you're not "one of them." Just my two cents.
i think itās because mustangs are muscle cars or are supposed to be muscle cars. therefore people donāt like a muscle car without a muscle car engine.
Itās in the name
Thereās nothing wrong with it. It just isnāt a muscle car. And thatās ok. Iām glad this go round of stuffing a turboed 4 is working out, unlike the turbo gt and svo of the 80s.
Itās Mustang muscle car purists. Imagine how it was in the 80ās when the SVO came out. Probably as much hate. But I donāt mind the EB platform. I own a tuned and modified Taurus SHO and itāll easily blow a V8 at a dig and keep up till around 110+ but the mustang just has the legs to run past.
Sparks from "all muscle cars should have nothing but a V8" and also the general hate towards 4 cylinders in general. Alot of people get certain cars for status or to feed their egos. If they have something to say then surely they should (but don't) have the money to buy you a car and pay for gas/maintenance.
Car people are just haters in general. Hating because itās not a V8. Hating because itās not a manual. Hating because your car is stock and āyou should do xyz modā. Then there is plenty who will hate it just for being a Mustangā¦ādae hit crowds or poor handling/solid axle. Probably 90% of the people whoāve made negative comments about me are so called car guys lol. Just ignore them.
The best (petrol) Mustang is the one that left you at the light without making a sound. Don't rice it. Don't straight pipe it.
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They are made of so much plastic it amazed me. https://youtu.be/yCNyhqIuRNw?si=LM8QJHiDiMvwyw9k
My hair stylist drives a ecoboost and i think itās nice.
Itās just elitist gatekeeping, but luckily, thereās not too many of them in this community. Everyone here usually respects each otherās personal opinions, so I wouldnāt let the hate get to you.
personally i did the same research too before i bought my ecoboost. Yes in every scenario the 5.0 is better 100% but just not in the cards for me at the moment. The ecoboost is a very good car so far itās more speed and style than i had before thatās my opinion. I donāt know if itās just my town but I always give a mustang i see driving around a quick glance and 60% of the time itās an eco so Iāve really come to not care. I like my car and thatās really all that matters to be honest
From where I live, kids with eco boosts just slap slicks on it thinking theyāre the shit. Trying hard to blend in with the v8s
Faster than my 2006 gt 0-60 (5.1 sec) so Iām not judging
Because losers like to act like it matters. I have a 3.7L V6, and regularly get acosted in traffic because "I'd destroy you in a 1/4 mile." My guy, you're driving a GT350... I SURELY hope so. I'm just trying to drive home from work. Don't get me wrong, I love my car, but I know what it is. It's not like a run around revving the motor or chirping tires out of red lights.
My first mustang was a 1996 V6 LS in opal frost. I loved that car more than anything. I got a ton of shit back then because it wasn't a GT but I couldn't have cared less. Love what you drive. I've owned several stangs since then but I'll always have a special place in my heart for that one. My current mustang is a beast and I do love it but I never think of telling another mustang driver "Oh why didn't you spring for a Mach1?" That's just petty bs. Love your ride...don't worry about the other stuff.
By 56,000 EcoBoost lasted $25,000 km and then the engine blew up, there's hate because they suck
IDK its a 4 banger in a Mustang? I don't recall the SVO getting much hate back in the day, though. Fucker could handle and was about as powerful as the LX/GT 5.0.
I feel you on that. But Iāll say as long as Iāve owned my 3.7 ā14 (5 years), Iāve only ever seen those asinine takes online, never in real life. That being said, I went from a Mazda3 with like 150hp so the āStang was and still is the fastest/most powerful car Iāve owned. Though Iāll admit, after 5 years, I am ready to something with a little more kickback š
Not sure if this factors in, but fun fact: could get a Focus RS with a super similar engine...but mo powa, less weight.