I don't even like Blake, but Malaki had some exciting games that showed glimpses of something good. If he can show that more often he's going to be good. At some points he reminded me of Bates-Diop.
Brother, please be patient. Wesley is improving every year and the game looks like it’s slowing down for him. He’s a raw prospect who was low risk high reward. Trust me, he is getting better
He was consistently one of those guys that was a huge spark plug off our bench, he was always doing solo full-court presses no matter the state of the game and he can FLY on a fast break.
I’d rather Wesley over Branham every time.
Yeah, this is the best take on the situation. Spurs sitting on plenty of really good draft assets. I could see them putting together a package for a young all-star caliber player.
I feel like this trade makes sense if talks had already begun behind the scenes and the other team wanted more 1st round picks.
Not any time soon I hope because those young guys need more reps. Wed be right back in the marco situation where he was taking up valuable time from guys who still need to learn and develop.
Just follow what OKC did, they were a 22 win team 3/4 years ago, they drafted built up capital and now theyre one of the best teams in the league. The spurs can do the same thing it just takes time. That doesnt mean "tank" (which people on this sub think means losing at all) but dont prematurely blow your capital on guys who dont line up with where you want to be when you want to be there.
Ironically Minnesota is a good example of what we dont want, when Anthony Edwards enters his prime they will have no cap space and no draft picks and aging guys on expiring contracts, itll be tough to maximize that
Thats what i was thinking as well , there must be a trade cooking or a contract for some stablished role player. It makes sense because it’s not like Rob was a sure bet or anything and we already have a gazillion young players developing. And the most importante thing.. spurs are still planning on adding at least two good young players in next years draft (which apartently will be very good). And with all the assets they have I do t think it’s crazy to imagine a world where spurs trade a 6-7th pick along with future first round picks and maybe keldon/tre for a chance to have traore or cooper
What valuable picks did the spurs acquire tonight? Who on the spurs is a valuable asset right now? Just a baffling move that everyone agrees is odd excerpt this fan base
There are a bunch of good PGs that are entering their last contract year, but not many here have looked past all the clickbait news to have any idea who they are
True, but lbh, most of those young guys would be end of the rotation guys or not in the league. It’s not like we have a surplus of young guys to hit on that are just itching for minutes to develop.
I think that we kind of know what we have in Malaki, Champagnie, Tre, Bassey, Sandro or Zach. You could argue that Blake, Sidy and maybe Barlow might develop and haven’t hit their ceiling, but they are all projects.
That's again part of the whole strawman of this. If I give you $10 for something worth $20 you can still spend the 10 but that doesn't mean you didn't get fleeced. Just because that pick technically has value doesn't negate the fact that it's not good value for a top 10 pick.
That's not really how it works. You're attaching your own value to Rob and the picks. The Spurs have their own value(s) on them, and every other team in the league has a different value on them. Some value them high, some low. Is it a bad trade? That 100% depends on the team, its' goals, the cap space, Rob's development in the league, what those picks turn out to be based on MN's record at the time, who is in those draft classes, what teams are wanting picks in those drafts, and on and on and on.
Edit: the Spurs' goal for this draft and this off-season obviously did not include any of the players that were available at the 8th pick. Therefore, Minnesota's two future picks (and gaining $7mil in cap space this off-season) were more valuable to them.
And just like anything else, the value of the pick is whatever someone will pay for it. I think I can safely say that Minnesota's offer wasn't the only one the Spurs entertained. A "top ten" pick isn't worth the same in every draft.
Why is it an offer given to them? Do you think negotiations are just one person says something and it's taken are not. Would you use this logic on any trade that happens? Welp nothing can be done that's clearly the best offer possible.
Well the other team has to offer them a deal for them to accept that how trades work, if you weren't too busy trying to be pedantic maybe you'd realize what point I'm trying to make, do you think there was a better option out there they could have taken it they didn't like anyone available at the pick? Unless you have some inside sources which I'm guessing someone with a winning personality such as yourself could probably never be able to build those relationships I'm gonna hazard a guess and say you have no idea if there were any other options on the table and the spurs probably got the best deal they could have gotten for that pick
You do know there is something called negotiating right? And that some people are better at it than others? None of us know anything about what is actually there but that means y'all acting like it was a good deal are just bullshitting too. We traded a pick for one in 7 years that will most likely be lower. There is no way to say that's good value.
They obviously didn't rate anyone else in the draft, and didn't want to draft someone for the sake of it. I have no issues with the trade
I do think it will be used for a possible trade though.
Why not take a chance on Bronny then? Force LA or PHX to give up picks because LBJ tells them to, or bron-bron comes to SA? Not like we are going to compete next year anyways…might be cool to watch?
Cause Bronny isn't good, despite what ESPN tries to sell. Also, why would we want a 40 year old Lebron. Short term it might be ok, long term literally no benefit
Yes…and short term we aren’t winning and I’d be willing to watch Lebron for a year or two is the silver and black. Better than watching the scrubs we got now.
Hard disagree. I'd much rather enjoy developing the youth, then putting your eggs in the Lebron basket.
I think for all the success the Spurs had, fans seem to forget things take time.
Minnesota has had 21 top 10 picks in their 36 years of existence. They leveraged a ton of assets for Gobert, who is already 32. They don’t have their first round picks for 2025, 2027, 2029. They could easily be a total disaster by 2030 and 2031.
It also couldn’t. For a team that has been terrible for 5 years, with a guy who might be the best player in the league in a couple years, this is an odd move that just elongates the rebuild
Let’s also not forget it was close to being Raptors FRP and could’ve wound up a second for us. We turned it into a first and pick swap down the line.
While I love our history with 29th picks, I’d love it if MIN picked 29th and we picked 8th.
Minnesota has supermaxes on Gobert, Towns, and Ant. They are in the 2nd apron.
* 2025 - no pick
* 2026 - worst of Minn or Utah pick
* 2027 - no pick
* 2028 - worst of Minn or Utah pick
* 2029 - no pick
They are capped out, they are historically one of the worst run franchises in the NBA, Mike Conley is 37 and Rudy Gobert is 32 while Towns is turning 29. All three will be out of the league or at the end of their career.
They have no assets left to use to improve.
It is very likely the two picks are very good.
Spurs created another 6.5M in cap space and acquired unprotected assets from one of the worst historical franchises in NBA history.
I kind of doubt Tim Connelly is still there in 6 years.
Ant will be in his prime, but with overpaid, aging players around him and zero draft capital, improving the team around him will be extremely difficult.
Connelly has improved his teams by dumping picks to get Gobert and Aaron Gordon. He can't do that anymore.
The NBA rules on luxury tax is going to crush teams like Minnesota.
And I don't think that players are gonna be killing themselves to take less money to sign in Minnesota. You think it is hard to recruit to San Antonio? just wait.
I wonder if Connelly eventually ends back up in WASH after this contract ends. He's from there and he's been linked there for years dating back to his time in Denver
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-- think of it is a savings bond for the future
-- working in two top ten picks in one season might not be that easy. easier to concentrate on developing one instead of two.
-- let's get a vet in here anyway
-- we haven't heard the last of this
YES! Dillingham is not that good. I think if Salaun had still been on the board, they'd have picked Salaun. But he wasn't, so they traded out of it and got 2 essentially unprotected picks from a team who historically implodes after a little bit of time.
For sure the spurs did not like anyone that much. The haul we got here is a huge win.
People saying this is a bad trade clearly doesn’t understand how the new CBA works. By 2030 we are already competing for a championship and with this trade we will be able to get good young guys at cheap salaries. Good trade!
The new CBA will really hamper teams with a lot of huge contracts. Look at how much weaker Denver became after being forced to let go of Bruce Brown and Jeff Green. Now they are on the risk of losing KCP. This is a good trade for us!
BECAUSE they’re 6/7 years down the road they’re more valuable in this case. Love the trade! And…it aligns more rookie contracts with wembys max seasons.
Also think there may end up being someone at #35 that could still fill a need but at a fraction of the salary.
Thought we would end up trading that for a future 2nd anyway if we took two in the first round.
There is still a good amount of talent. Furphy, Kolek, even Klintmann or Filipowski + more are all still available. I'm personally hoping for either Furph or Kolek.
A swap isn’t really an asset - we gave up 1 lottery pick and we got back 1 first round pick 7 years from now that we don’t know where it will be
We have the same number of picks, as we started with. Now we don’t know when it will be other than 7 years from now.
We did subtraction by addition
A swap is absolutely an asset. The Mavs traded a pick swap to OKC for a 1st round pick outright, then used that pick to get Gafford, who was a key role player on their Finals team.
Fanbase is entering the delusional stage where you make a bad trade and justify it. There is no justifying this bullshit. We just traded Dillingham for a 2031 mid to late round pick.
We traded a player who will be one of the tiniest players in the league for 2 essentially unprotected first round picks from a team that historically has chemistry problems and implodes on a quasi-regular basis. If we don't use them, the value of those picks in a trade for a vet is going to skyrocket the moment sota starts having issues.
But but but now we have a pick we can trade for someone else. Nevermind the 30 fucking picks we already had. I hated buzelis to us but I think I would have took him over this.
Finally someone who gets it, this team was running without a back up pg and dom Barlow on the bench, not to mention a few other borderline players that might not make another team in the league besides the spurs, no reason to make this trade
When has Minnesota ever been able to sustain success? It’s more than likely they’ll have Ant surrounded by a bunch of old guys on big contracts or Ant surrounded by a bunch of young guys in a retool attempt or have traded away Ant in a full rebuild by 2030-31.
After Clingan and Salaun were taken, I’m fine with the decision to avoid paying a rookie they didn’t really want in this weak draft on a team that already has an abundance of youth. They can use that to add some veteran shooting in the offseason.
Just going off their record in the past. They are conservative and don’t tend to sign major free agents. What “veteran shooter” would they even sign? Almost none of the guys we could grab are even worth getting TBH.
i don't think it's *great* but if we package it for someone good then i understand it
i'm more surprised that Minnesota didn't add more protections. Ant will be in his prime, but Gobert will be 39, KAT will be 35, and Conley will be 120. Pretty risky
I think Spurs asked it to be protected minimally. The wolves have no choice they need to be all in now because they don’t have any assets left. No chance they are getting more than what they let go of to acquire Gobert.
Rob is actually a good fit for them because most of their guys are good defensively. He can help them in games where Edwards and Towns are shooting poorly.
We need lots of help now not later ,our team had 6-7 g league players on it last year, I don’t understand why we didn’t just draft someone like Cody Williams at 8 instead
Look I’m not against the trade but the argument that an extension for a player that we drafted being expensive if they’re good is a terrible argument. Might as well just draft bums then.
It’s all opportunity cost.
We have players FO likes for less money today than the FRP contract, one fewer needs to be cut now.
We can now also pay more to a free agent who will almost assuredly contribute more than Rob Dilly near term and potentially allow Castle to develop by playing to his strengths and have lower expectations.
Having two rookies to develop along with Wemby will result in a lot of ugly games.
Wemby indicates he wants to be competitive and I think this allows for that way more than adding a second unproven rookie with very questionable shot selection and poor defense.
Well who's this say SA doesn't use the 7million cap saved on Dillingham and go after Quickley? Let the season play out. At worst, we will be drafting high in next year's draft with 4 possible picks. Patience. Rebuilds take time
Too many new, fairweather fans on here. For months they've been shitting on this draft class and now all of a sudden they're offended about us not picking a player that we don't want.
That’s what I mean this team desperately needs talent it didn’t necessarily have to be dillingham. The only way this makes sense in my mind is if they trade those picks for a player that can contribute immediately.
Who cares if it is unprotected, if it is in the teens at best? Funny thinking. Thnking Blake Wesley and Malaki are better options? How many years are we waiting to build?
Hilarious overthink.
It won't be in the teens. Minny would have bottomed out by then in all likelihood once Gobert and Kat are done. Ant would probably ask out too. It's more likely than not that These picks will be very valuable down the road.
You absolutely do if you don't think the player drafted at 8 helps you much. This is the FIRST night of the off season. Just wait. Have patience. We want to build a long-term contender around Wemby and not a short-term revolving door treadmill team. Let's wait and see. We have 4 potential picks in next years much deeper draft. Patience is the key.
I am not saying we should go all in now, I'm saying there is no guarantee this unprotected pick in 7 years has as much value as a 8 this year. Spurs FO should have had a better deal than that.
You either pick a player you don't want and get stuck with him for at least 2 years if no one wants to give you any value or you take the deal available at draft time, make the player someone else's problem and reset for your next move with future picks and flexibility on your side.
We're loaded with picks, have one more roster spot and banked on the Minnesota Timberwolves to suck in 7 years, a team that has sucked for ages, with an uncertain ownership situation and outrageous money on the books. It's a fine trade
We gotta stop thinking this is the duncan front office. We have been doo doo at this since timmy retired. If dillingham turns into iverson 2.0 then heads need to roll
Personally, I'd like more young talent on this team now. I wish they'd have traded down (or up). That said, Wright's decision is a reasonable one.
Carter/Castle/Vassell isn't a viable lineup this coming year, and possibly not ever. It's too small.
Knecht has serious warts. He was bigger, more athletic, and more experienced than his competition and was still a bad defender.
If we make a big trade next summer, either of those two are almost certainly going to be worth LESS than the Minnesota first.
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FUCKEN IDIOT.. POPOVICH IS 81YEARS OLD ON THE YEAR 2031. WHO CARES. YOU WANT POP TO DEVELOP TEENAGERS ON A WHEEL CHAIR???? WHY ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT PICKS IF YOU CAN TRADE IT FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE NOW. I DONT CARE ABOUT ROB. YOU CAN GET BETTER DEAL ON THAT 8. OR EVEN DRAFT BETTER PROSPECT.
SEE THIS LOGIC
YOU GOT PRIMO AT 12
YOU GOT VASSELL AT 11
YOU GOT SOCHAN AT 9
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE 8TH PICK YOU TRADE IT?? FUCKEEN NOOB GM
not all drafts have the same amount of talent as previous drafts, because using this reasoning since we got Tony Parker at 28 we should never trade any first rounder ever essentially
We also already have a ton of really young guys, maybe we're gearing up for a trade (or more) for some Vets
A ton of young guys that are on make or break years. Malaki and blake being the most replaceable atm
I don't even like Blake, but Malaki had some exciting games that showed glimpses of something good. If he can show that more often he's going to be good. At some points he reminded me of Bates-Diop.
Brother, please be patient. Wesley is improving every year and the game looks like it’s slowing down for him. He’s a raw prospect who was low risk high reward. Trust me, he is getting better
He was consistently one of those guys that was a huge spark plug off our bench, he was always doing solo full-court presses no matter the state of the game and he can FLY on a fast break. I’d rather Wesley over Branham every time.
That’s what I am hoping
Yeah, this is the best take on the situation. Spurs sitting on plenty of really good draft assets. I could see them putting together a package for a young all-star caliber player. I feel like this trade makes sense if talks had already begun behind the scenes and the other team wanted more 1st round picks.
Not any time soon I hope because those young guys need more reps. Wed be right back in the marco situation where he was taking up valuable time from guys who still need to learn and develop. Just follow what OKC did, they were a 22 win team 3/4 years ago, they drafted built up capital and now theyre one of the best teams in the league. The spurs can do the same thing it just takes time. That doesnt mean "tank" (which people on this sub think means losing at all) but dont prematurely blow your capital on guys who dont line up with where you want to be when you want to be there. Ironically Minnesota is a good example of what we dont want, when Anthony Edwards enters his prime they will have no cap space and no draft picks and aging guys on expiring contracts, itll be tough to maximize that
Thats what i was thinking as well , there must be a trade cooking or a contract for some stablished role player. It makes sense because it’s not like Rob was a sure bet or anything and we already have a gazillion young players developing. And the most importante thing.. spurs are still planning on adding at least two good young players in next years draft (which apartently will be very good). And with all the assets they have I do t think it’s crazy to imagine a world where spurs trade a 6-7th pick along with future first round picks and maybe keldon/tre for a chance to have traore or cooper
Young guys that are terrible with zero trade value *
Hence all the picks we have acquired. Edit: I disagree with your opinion, however.
What valuable picks did the spurs acquire tonight? Who on the spurs is a valuable asset right now? Just a baffling move that everyone agrees is odd excerpt this fan base
Unprotected first round and a 1 protected swap. Those are pretty valuable lol
There are a bunch of good PGs that are entering their last contract year, but not many here have looked past all the clickbait news to have any idea who they are
Our player development staff is so overloaded with work now. I'm curious if we expand it
True, but lbh, most of those young guys would be end of the rotation guys or not in the league. It’s not like we have a surplus of young guys to hit on that are just itching for minutes to develop. I think that we kind of know what we have in Malaki, Champagnie, Tre, Bassey, Sandro or Zach. You could argue that Blake, Sidy and maybe Barlow might develop and haven’t hit their ceiling, but they are all projects.
You know what is nice for a trade asset is a 1st that's not 7 years away
We also have some of those
Good point. We don't need to get value in the trade because we already have 1sts and as you know we can't add any more in the next 7 years
It's weird to think that picks 7 years in the future holds no value to ANY team. Lol
That's again part of the whole strawman of this. If I give you $10 for something worth $20 you can still spend the 10 but that doesn't mean you didn't get fleeced. Just because that pick technically has value doesn't negate the fact that it's not good value for a top 10 pick.
That's not really how it works. You're attaching your own value to Rob and the picks. The Spurs have their own value(s) on them, and every other team in the league has a different value on them. Some value them high, some low. Is it a bad trade? That 100% depends on the team, its' goals, the cap space, Rob's development in the league, what those picks turn out to be based on MN's record at the time, who is in those draft classes, what teams are wanting picks in those drafts, and on and on and on. Edit: the Spurs' goal for this draft and this off-season obviously did not include any of the players that were available at the 8th pick. Therefore, Minnesota's two future picks (and gaining $7mil in cap space this off-season) were more valuable to them.
Rob is inconsequential. His value doesn't matter at all. That's who Minnesota happened to want with the pick. The pick is the value.
And just like anything else, the value of the pick is whatever someone will pay for it. I think I can safely say that Minnesota's offer wasn't the only one the Spurs entertained. A "top ten" pick isn't worth the same in every draft.
Do you think the spurs didn't take the best offer that was given to them for the 8th?
Why is it an offer given to them? Do you think negotiations are just one person says something and it's taken are not. Would you use this logic on any trade that happens? Welp nothing can be done that's clearly the best offer possible.
Well the other team has to offer them a deal for them to accept that how trades work, if you weren't too busy trying to be pedantic maybe you'd realize what point I'm trying to make, do you think there was a better option out there they could have taken it they didn't like anyone available at the pick? Unless you have some inside sources which I'm guessing someone with a winning personality such as yourself could probably never be able to build those relationships I'm gonna hazard a guess and say you have no idea if there were any other options on the table and the spurs probably got the best deal they could have gotten for that pick
You do know there is something called negotiating right? And that some people are better at it than others? None of us know anything about what is actually there but that means y'all acting like it was a good deal are just bullshitting too. We traded a pick for one in 7 years that will most likely be lower. There is no way to say that's good value.
Young? But most are trash, Branham/Wesley should be waived long time ago, Keldon only got you 2nd rounder at best.
They obviously didn't rate anyone else in the draft, and didn't want to draft someone for the sake of it. I have no issues with the trade I do think it will be used for a possible trade though.
I feel they liked Salaun but once he was off the board, the trade option happened.
I think we wanted Clingan but...stupid Blazers took him, I like this move..
Why not take a chance on Bronny then? Force LA or PHX to give up picks because LBJ tells them to, or bron-bron comes to SA? Not like we are going to compete next year anyways…might be cool to watch?
Cause Bronny isn't good, despite what ESPN tries to sell. Also, why would we want a 40 year old Lebron. Short term it might be ok, long term literally no benefit
Yes…and short term we aren’t winning and I’d be willing to watch Lebron for a year or two is the silver and black. Better than watching the scrubs we got now.
Hard disagree. I'd much rather enjoy developing the youth, then putting your eggs in the Lebron basket. I think for all the success the Spurs had, fans seem to forget things take time.
None of the youth on this team (besides the obvious) will be on this team when we win again.
I have faith in Sochan. And maybe Vassel.
Just go cheer for the hornets or someone else.
Nah, I’m good. Sorry you can’t listen to others opinions.
I just hate that we have fans that have this little of ball knowledge. It genuinely hurts me, wemby brought out all the casuals.
Hahaha…all the casuals. I was watching the team when Rodman had black hair.
Watching basketball that long and you still don’t know how the league works?
Bronny at 8?! Lemme get some of what you on
It’s not bronny at 8…it’s bronny in 2031…
Oh lol. Gotcha. Can I still get some though lol
Everyone’s acting like all of these top 10 picks are gonna pan out and be relevant long term.
lol
Yes that’s exactly why we should acquire draft picks in 2030 which are definitely relevant and gonna pan out and valuable to teams
They are valuable to teams. Unprotected picks are the most coveted assets in the nba
Everyone knows the 2031 class is Hella good
Gtfo mr suns fan
So instead trade for a future pick that probably won’t be in the top 10 in a draft in 6 years?
Minnesota has had 21 top 10 picks in their 36 years of existence. They leveraged a ton of assets for Gobert, who is already 32. They don’t have their first round picks for 2025, 2027, 2029. They could easily be a total disaster by 2030 and 2031.
You can't even say with confidence that it's not gonna be top 10. The entire team could be different by then
It also couldn’t. For a team that has been terrible for 5 years, with a guy who might be the best player in the league in a couple years, this is an odd move that just elongates the rebuild
Let’s also not forget it was close to being Raptors FRP and could’ve wound up a second for us. We turned it into a first and pick swap down the line. While I love our history with 29th picks, I’d love it if MIN picked 29th and we picked 8th.
Minnesota has supermaxes on Gobert, Towns, and Ant. They are in the 2nd apron. * 2025 - no pick * 2026 - worst of Minn or Utah pick * 2027 - no pick * 2028 - worst of Minn or Utah pick * 2029 - no pick They are capped out, they are historically one of the worst run franchises in the NBA, Mike Conley is 37 and Rudy Gobert is 32 while Towns is turning 29. All three will be out of the league or at the end of their career. They have no assets left to use to improve. It is very likely the two picks are very good. Spurs created another 6.5M in cap space and acquired unprotected assets from one of the worst historical franchises in NBA history.
And you didnt mention their ownership situation is a huge shitshow
A really great point for sure.
I agree with most of this, but just to play devil's advocate: Connelly's no bum, and Ant will still be in his prime.
I kind of doubt Tim Connelly is still there in 6 years. Ant will be in his prime, but with overpaid, aging players around him and zero draft capital, improving the team around him will be extremely difficult. Connelly has improved his teams by dumping picks to get Gobert and Aaron Gordon. He can't do that anymore. The NBA rules on luxury tax is going to crush teams like Minnesota. And I don't think that players are gonna be killing themselves to take less money to sign in Minnesota. You think it is hard to recruit to San Antonio? just wait.
I wonder if Connelly eventually ends back up in WASH after this contract ends. He's from there and he's been linked there for years dating back to his time in Denver
Tbh, wouldn't be surprised, just like I wouldn't be surprised if Ant looks to go to Atlanta if Minny sucks after KAT and Robert decline.
The Wizards can use his touch for sure. Let's manifest this.
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Amen. The outrage on here is ridiculous.
Extremely silly, casual takes all over this sub.
Seems like it’s most of our fans these days. Unfortunately Wemby brought out all the non ball knowers.
Eh. It was 30 minutes ago and good trade or not it feels awful. I imagine most of the sun will chill by morning.
People are just upset that they didn't get an extra present. It's like being a kid on Christmas, and instead of getting an extra toy this year, your parents told you they'll get you something later lol
they gave you a 7 yr bond 😂
Gotta hope the Fed doesn't hike again 🤞🏾
told you they'll get you TWO somethings later, and your present this year was kinda meh anyway
Lotsa people failing the marshmallow test up in here
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-- think of it is a savings bond for the future -- working in two top ten picks in one season might not be that easy. easier to concentrate on developing one instead of two. -- let's get a vet in here anyway -- we haven't heard the last of this
It’s a good trade. More ammunition for that blockbuster trade.
YES! Dillingham is not that good. I think if Salaun had still been on the board, they'd have picked Salaun. But he wasn't, so they traded out of it and got 2 essentially unprotected picks from a team who historically implodes after a little bit of time.
Me too.
It being top 1 protected has quelled a bit of the anger i had. I still think we should've kept Dilly but it's not a bad trade at least
For sure the spurs did not like anyone that much. The haul we got here is a huge win. People saying this is a bad trade clearly doesn’t understand how the new CBA works. By 2030 we are already competing for a championship and with this trade we will be able to get good young guys at cheap salaries. Good trade! The new CBA will really hamper teams with a lot of huge contracts. Look at how much weaker Denver became after being forced to let go of Bruce Brown and Jeff Green. Now they are on the risk of losing KCP. This is a good trade for us!
BECAUSE they’re 6/7 years down the road they’re more valuable in this case. Love the trade! And…it aligns more rookie contracts with wembys max seasons.
Also think there may end up being someone at #35 that could still fill a need but at a fraction of the salary. Thought we would end up trading that for a future 2nd anyway if we took two in the first round.
Too bad Dadiet's gone.
There is still a good amount of talent. Furphy, Kolek, even Klintmann or Filipowski + more are all still available. I'm personally hoping for either Furph or Kolek.
A swap isn’t really an asset - we gave up 1 lottery pick and we got back 1 first round pick 7 years from now that we don’t know where it will be We have the same number of picks, as we started with. Now we don’t know when it will be other than 7 years from now. We did subtraction by addition
A swap is absolutely an asset. The Mavs traded a pick swap to OKC for a 1st round pick outright, then used that pick to get Gafford, who was a key role player on their Finals team.
Fanbase is entering the delusional stage where you make a bad trade and justify it. There is no justifying this bullshit. We just traded Dillingham for a 2031 mid to late round pick.
We traded a player who will be one of the tiniest players in the league for 2 essentially unprotected first round picks from a team that historically has chemistry problems and implodes on a quasi-regular basis. If we don't use them, the value of those picks in a trade for a vet is going to skyrocket the moment sota starts having issues.
I think we're going to use them as trade material for Garland or another star this year or next year
We better! Otherwise this shit is indefensible.
But but but now we have a pick we can trade for someone else. Nevermind the 30 fucking picks we already had. I hated buzelis to us but I think I would have took him over this.
Finally someone who gets it, this team was running without a back up pg and dom Barlow on the bench, not to mention a few other borderline players that might not make another team in the league besides the spurs, no reason to make this trade
When has Minnesota ever been able to sustain success? It’s more than likely they’ll have Ant surrounded by a bunch of old guys on big contracts or Ant surrounded by a bunch of young guys in a retool attempt or have traded away Ant in a full rebuild by 2030-31. After Clingan and Salaun were taken, I’m fine with the decision to avoid paying a rookie they didn’t really want in this weak draft on a team that already has an abundance of youth. They can use that to add some veteran shooting in the offseason.
We all know they aren’t adding anyone
I’m glad you have a crystal ball
Just going off their record in the past. They are conservative and don’t tend to sign major free agents. What “veteran shooter” would they even sign? Almost none of the guys we could grab are even worth getting TBH.
Exactly, this fanbase will do anything to justify anything that Patfo does.
This makes it insufferable sometimes. Can't critique anything
i don't think it's *great* but if we package it for someone good then i understand it i'm more surprised that Minnesota didn't add more protections. Ant will be in his prime, but Gobert will be 39, KAT will be 35, and Conley will be 120. Pretty risky
I think Spurs asked it to be protected minimally. The wolves have no choice they need to be all in now because they don’t have any assets left. No chance they are getting more than what they let go of to acquire Gobert. Rob is actually a good fit for them because most of their guys are good defensively. He can help them in games where Edwards and Towns are shooting poorly.
Because they knew they were already fleecing us and didn’t want to push their luck
how did this draft go from sucking to having an untradable 8th pick lol
Dillingham’s teammates bout to play 4v5 every time the other team has the ball.
Dillingham’s teammates bout to play a 4 on 5 drill every single defensive possession. LOVE this trade.
Just more cope to defend a front office kicking the can down the road some more.
What can?
We need lots of help now not later ,our team had 6-7 g league players on it last year, I don’t understand why we didn’t just draft someone like Cody Williams at 8 instead
The idea is to fill out the roster around the margins when Wemby Max sets in. Or just use for a trade to get a proven all star
Yup. Plus two high firsts re-upping the year after Wemby will be pricey as well.
Cba is working its magic.. would have loved 28/29 picks but the Wolves are in a tight spot with their books but Ant is 22 so I’m a little worried
Look I’m not against the trade but the argument that an extension for a player that we drafted being expensive if they’re good is a terrible argument. Might as well just draft bums then.
It’s all opportunity cost. We have players FO likes for less money today than the FRP contract, one fewer needs to be cut now. We can now also pay more to a free agent who will almost assuredly contribute more than Rob Dilly near term and potentially allow Castle to develop by playing to his strengths and have lower expectations. Having two rookies to develop along with Wemby will result in a lot of ugly games. Wemby indicates he wants to be competitive and I think this allows for that way more than adding a second unproven rookie with very questionable shot selection and poor defense.
My optimistic outlook is this
Nobody available at 8 is making a big difference this season. Terrible take.
Yeah. I kept saying we were just a Dilly away from the number one seed last year. Now we’ll never know…
Well who's this say SA doesn't use the 7million cap saved on Dillingham and go after Quickley? Let the season play out. At worst, we will be drafting high in next year's draft with 4 possible picks. Patience. Rebuilds take time
Reason or patience is not allowed here.
Too many new, fairweather fans on here. For months they've been shitting on this draft class and now all of a sudden they're offended about us not picking a player that we don't want.
That’s what I mean this team desperately needs talent it didn’t necessarily have to be dillingham. The only way this makes sense in my mind is if they trade those picks for a player that can contribute immediately.
No one is making a trade for a Minni pick 7 years out.
Maybe not that pick by it self, but as part of a trade of 5 picks for their star? Sure they would.
Cody isn't very good.
It’s not at all though. By most accounts, it’s a pretty fucking bizarre move and makes little sense.
Who cares if it is unprotected, if it is in the teens at best? Funny thinking. Thnking Blake Wesley and Malaki are better options? How many years are we waiting to build? Hilarious overthink.
It won't be in the teens. Minny would have bottomed out by then in all likelihood once Gobert and Kat are done. Ant would probably ask out too. It's more likely than not that These picks will be very valuable down the road.
Yeah but you don't trade a 8th today for a statistically 14th, maybe 10th if we're lucky 7 years from now.
You absolutely do if you don't think the player drafted at 8 helps you much. This is the FIRST night of the off season. Just wait. Have patience. We want to build a long-term contender around Wemby and not a short-term revolving door treadmill team. Let's wait and see. We have 4 potential picks in next years much deeper draft. Patience is the key.
I am not saying we should go all in now, I'm saying there is no guarantee this unprotected pick in 7 years has as much value as a 8 this year. Spurs FO should have had a better deal than that.
You either pick a player you don't want and get stuck with him for at least 2 years if no one wants to give you any value or you take the deal available at draft time, make the player someone else's problem and reset for your next move with future picks and flexibility on your side.
We're loaded with picks, have one more roster spot and banked on the Minnesota Timberwolves to suck in 7 years, a team that has sucked for ages, with an uncertain ownership situation and outrageous money on the books. It's a fine trade
It's not in the teens at best lol
We can’t call him overrated because he hasn’t played yet. I don’t mind it but it’s a long ways out. So that’s nice for us.
We gotta stop thinking this is the duncan front office. We have been doo doo at this since timmy retired. If dillingham turns into iverson 2.0 then heads need to roll
Lmao whatever helps you cope . Mr trust Patfo no matter what
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Jesus Christ, take a breath.
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Personally, I'd like more young talent on this team now. I wish they'd have traded down (or up). That said, Wright's decision is a reasonable one. Carter/Castle/Vassell isn't a viable lineup this coming year, and possibly not ever. It's too small. Knecht has serious warts. He was bigger, more athletic, and more experienced than his competition and was still a bad defender. If we make a big trade next summer, either of those two are almost certainly going to be worth LESS than the Minnesota first.
This you? [https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/11/22929311/sorry-folks-derrick-white-trade-disaster-josh-richardson-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-romeo-langford?\_gl=1\*hz8uox\*](https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/11/22929311/sorry-folks-derrick-white-trade-disaster-josh-richardson-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-romeo-langford?_gl=1*hz8uox*)
The season officially ended last week. Wemby has been here one season.
That is correct
FUCKEN IDIOT.. POPOVICH IS 81YEARS OLD ON THE YEAR 2031. WHO CARES. YOU WANT POP TO DEVELOP TEENAGERS ON A WHEEL CHAIR???? WHY ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT PICKS IF YOU CAN TRADE IT FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE NOW. I DONT CARE ABOUT ROB. YOU CAN GET BETTER DEAL ON THAT 8. OR EVEN DRAFT BETTER PROSPECT. SEE THIS LOGIC YOU GOT PRIMO AT 12 YOU GOT VASSELL AT 11 YOU GOT SOCHAN AT 9 BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE 8TH PICK YOU TRADE IT?? FUCKEEN NOOB GM
caps plz
not all drafts have the same amount of talent as previous drafts, because using this reasoning since we got Tony Parker at 28 we should never trade any first rounder ever essentially