Everyone would have roasted him if in the finals he became unplayable, because thatās inevitable. In the regular season though, Rob & Wemby would have been electric.
I mean almost every analyst points to the fact that Castle has solid form and mechanics so improving his shot significantly is not a tall ask for him. Not to mention he is a good finisher and can take a beating down low when he drives unlike Dillingham.
Castle is a significantly better shooter than stats implied, and Iām going to go on a whim and say you donāt pay attention to much college ball. Castle brings defense, playmaking, high IQ, and extremely coachable. Not only that, but he can shoot. He suffered a knee injury in the first few weeks on UConn, and it wasnāt until later down the season that his efficiency got better. Iām bias, as Iām a UConn fan, and Iāll openly state that, but his form is natural looking. unlike sochan.
castleās FT shooting went from awful 60-something% after the injury to a hell of a lot closer to 90% in that final stretch, with his work ethic the improvement potential is obvious
I mean, TP, was a short king, who was also super skinny w/not much of a shot, great defender or great passing ability at 18. Not saying that he ll be TP, but he has many similar skills at his age and a better shot. Nobody thought TP would be a HOF er at the time either.
I loved Tony, but you must not have been around for the beginning or end of his career then. Getting steals alone, does not make you a good defender, but he only averaged .8 a game anyway.
Been watching religiously since 03. Iām not saying he was elite, but itās false to say he was anything below average imo. Iād have to look the up the defensive efficiencyās with him vs without him on floor but I never thought of him as a bad defender while watching him since he was a 20 year old kid.
Yes, but Tony was a rookie in 2001-2002, and I also watched or taped every game off the satellite dish. (Since those Willie Anderson, Sean Elliott, Rod Strickland, David and Terry Cummings days when we got bounced by the Blazers in the playoffs š) Anyway, I digress.
He was often the target of many of Popās rants in his first few seasons for his lack of strength at point of attack (he was very skinny and weak but was 18 in 01) lack of defensive awareness and not switching in the right situations was common. He was never a plus defender and because of his lack of size, often got bodied up or posted up by taller guards requiring doubles to come over. (It wouldnāt be a problem anymore as you donāt have any like Gary Payton, Sprewell, Mitch Richmond, etc. that would post up.)
He didnāt have especially long arms to get in the passing lane and get a lot of deflections, etc. It just wasnāt his game, and he had a top 3 greatest defensive big in modern history playing behind him and Bruce Bowen to guard the other teams best G or SF and then Kawhi.
My point was not to denigrate TP, because he was an underrated PG in the league that never really got his flowers (partly because he played in SA, partly because he had a Top 5 player playing behind him and Pop, an all time great coach and Manu s flashiness and craft and style of play had people drawing attention away from Tony.) I remember when I was praying to the NBA Gods that something happened when the Spurs were looking to bring in Jason Kidd and trade Tony (I dislike Kidd). It wasnāt because they didnāt think he could get to the rim, or run a 1 man fast break, or hit the most beautiful year drop that could almost make you shed one (which I donāt see done as consistently and stylishly anymore). Part of those discussions were about ability to lead and whether Parker could and other part was about his defense compared to bringing in Kidd.
I think if you turned on a few of those games from his rookie year until about his 3rd or 4th year, you will see him running to wrong shooters, canāt get over screens easily and letting his man past and hoping TD cleaned it up. I d say that he was league average or so in middle of his career acc to StatMuse Defensive Rating and then he was bad in his last 4 years, but no prime TD behind him, slowed a bit, and his age. It happens. In this case, we would only be talking about where TP was in his rookie year or 2 vs Dillingham.
If you get the chance on YouTube or whatever, itās fun and nostalgic to see a game from say back then or maybe playoff game from the 90ās just to really see David Robinson in his prime. You will start to notice things differently of a player because you know the game much better now and B) itās changed so much to a very different style.
I donāt think anyone is weirdly attached to Dillingham - your comment ignores that there were many other choices available at #8
The discontent is that we punted the ball to save salary yet again. There isnāt a larger plan to have trade assets, we have just as many assets as we had yesterday and there wasnāt a trade.
Brian Wright cannot get a deal done. He is a small market brain trapped in a city that wants a ring.
When someone asked what was your worst case draft scenario- this exceeded it. This was our lowest moment.
yeah i donāt care about dillingham or claim to know more than the FO, it was just a deflating and hard to understand left field move. If anyone had proposed earlier that instead of drafting at 8 we traded it for a pick in 7 years theyād have been downvoted into oblivion
Exactly- they should have traded that pick before the draft if they didnāt like anyone. Instead they decided to save some payroll money and give away a lottery pick
You know there draft board was like Risacher, Castle, Sarr, Salaun, Clingan and once they were gone we went scrambling to dump the salary connected to the lottery pick. It was absolutely ridiculous to give away a lottery pick.
Iām saying it now- this is an ALL TIME spurs bad draft move. Worse than Samanic, Primo, Lonnie - a historic miss. A year from now every pick that was on the board at 8 who is looking promising is going to be salt in an open wound
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The Spurs wanted to keep the pick if SalaĆ¼n was still available, which is why they didnāt trade it early.
Trading the #8 pick was Plan B if he was off the table at that point, and it was a decent plan B.
It saves cap space and they got two 1st round picks for a time when Minnesota will, in all likelihood, be a mediocre team, with only Ant-Man as their lone all-star at that point.
Once the Spurs start winning, low picks will be impossible to come by, and the Spurs build through the draft. They donāt have the luxury of being L.A, N.Y, or Boston.
Ring chasing vets will come, but the core will always be developed through the draft.
I think youāre right about them wanting to see who was available at 8
Not sure that was the best executed plan considering the dogshit we got for a lottery pick. A team with as little talent as we have couldnāt find available talent at #8, thatās just hard to imagine. We will be talking about the all stars we passed on for a LONG time
I don't really get why, to me he just is a smaller version of malaki except at least malaki has some defensive tools to bank on in the future rob is 6'1 160 besides Trae young every other guy who's come into the league within the past 20 years and been that small has been almost immediately sent to the g league. At best he's Terry Rozier but worse defensively, Lou Will but less talented in the end not a winning player
Not even close. Malaki was never a 3 point shooter. Rob is top 3 shooter in the class. Rob has one of the quickest first steps and most dynamic handle in his class. Malaki was alright at everything and above average midrange.
Malaki shot near 50% from the field in college and was freshman of his conference the first since dlo and averaged 14 and 2. Those aren't too far off of Dillingham's stats I couldn't find the 3pt% on his college profile oddly not even his makes or attempts but remember coming in he was pretty capable and was looked at very highly since he shot nearly 84% from the ft line. Dillingham was really only much better from 3 and a lot of that can be attributed to having extremely talented guys around him like Sheppard who's taking a lot of the shooting attention away
Fucking thank you. Seriously, people here acting as if we traded the rights to luka doncic to the mavs or something. It's a weak ass draft. People aren't even exited for the first pick! I just saw him get picked and I don't even remember his name.
Have people in this sub forgotten we had the 4th pick and got a more quality player? Calm down. Getting an unprotected first for when minnesota will eventually minnesota as wemby is in his prime is juicy. Then you guys will be talking about how the spurs FO are such geniuses.
>Seriously, people here acting as if we traded the rights to luka doncic to the mavs or something.
It's funny you say this because this trade genuinely might give us a higher chance of acquiring Doncic then before. Not saying it will ever happen but an Unprotected first round pick + we also have a pickswap with DAL in the same year as the Minny pick swap one.
You miss the point that it isnāt about Dillingham- itās about our failure before that pick to get a deal.
We donāt have more assets today than yesterday. If there was some plan to trade for a veteran it should have gone down before the draft - but it didnāt because there isnāt one.
What youāre calling genius is just us being cheap with payroll, this was a payroll move. Being cheap and winning are oil and vinegar.
I didn't say it was genius. I was saying that like down the line if Minnesota implodes, all of a sudden that pick (if we still have it) will be juicy and the same people that are so negative about this move do a 180 and call it genius or aomething
The guy is barely 6 foot 1 and 160 lbs. If he is somehow able to survive contact from dudes twice his size, he'll be getting his shots blocked at the rim constantly. He wasn't even the best 3pt shooter in the class too. Add all of that with his historically bad defense, and it's a no from me.
Funny you should mention Cam Whitmore, I still have zero confidence in Cam Whitmore becoming a star. The Rockets love to hype up their young players to give casual fans the impression that they're better than they really are.
MASSIVE defensive liability. Rob will be one of the smallest defenders in the league and will be hunted on defense relentlessly, especially in the postseason. Likely not even playable in the postseason, especially a deep playoff run.
Everyone freaking out needs to rewatch Boston's offensive sets this playoffs. They isolated and punished bad defenders over and over and fucking over.
vs- 2 virtually unprotected picks from a team with some old players, not many draft picks, and a history of getting toxic chemistry and imploding? yes please!
Honestly, would've loved Knecht or Carter, but perhaps once the Spurs leverage the Twolves picks in a trade it will be easier to say if we were better off with dillingham/knecht or whhatever the Spurs get in a trade. You'd have to think a trade is in the works.
Godddd yāall are all so shortsighted. Those picks are gonna be MONEY in a few years when weāre making deep playoff runs, and the Timberwolves are trash. Whether we use them or trade them it literally doesnāt matter.
Just imagine if prime Timmy Tony Manu spurs had a couple of top-10 picks. Holy fuck.
Think like, how excited you are that we own Atlantaās picks when theyāre on the verge of collapseā¦ but more dramatic.
My brotherā¦ Edwards is the only one who is young and his contract is up in 27/28. The entire rest of the team will be either retired or old by the time these picks, and they are already very skinny on other draft picks to restock with.
Edwards will be all they have, if he doesnāt bolt in FA. Theyāve mortgaged the farm to build this current team, KAT will be 35 and Rudy will be 39.
Theyāre probably going to suck.
That's the implication when Wright in the post draft interview said he couldn't talk about it. Maybe being coy, but I assume if there wasn't anything planned, he would have said they were "looking to build to the future" or some other vague nonsense instead.
I was one of the biggest Rob supporters but this is facts. Trading out of a weak draft makes sense. Rob might be really good but there are also a bunch of other ways to get a good point guard (next yearās draft, trade etc). Also, people keep bringing up how the wolves picks might not be good, that is more than likely not our problem. I am almost certain we wonāt be using them and will package them in a trade in the future. My guess is the spurs wanna be ready to make a big move next offseason
Same, I had to watch one of the ESPN talking heads talk about how much he liked Dilly and casually added, "he just needs to try on defense", and his female co-host about fell out with, "I wish you wouldn't have said that cuz it negates your whole argument" lol. So glad we traded that pick, both Kentucky guards were great on O but way undersized w/o enough dog in them to overcome it, that's a recipe for playoff disaster
Wesley is actually not a bad defender, and Tre is not a disaster either. Thereās a big gap between them and Branham, and Iād rather not have two Branhams. In fact, Iād rather not even have one.
Wesley is still super raw, but he made a huge leap, he went past Branham in the rotation. He's undersized along with Tre. Dillingham and Sheppard and Carter (if they fell to us) will be exploited.
With Castle, we've got a legit 6'5 / 6'9 wingspan, who will be guarding the SGA's of the world. He's probably going to grow a bit too, maybe to 6'6'/6'7.
Tre / Blake / Castle is fine for where we're at with rebuilding.
I donāt think Blake is too undersized, heās 6ā4ish with a 6ā9 wingspan which is not too bad for a PG which is where I think he ends up. Heās just young and skinny, but I can see him holding up guarding 1-3 once heās had a few years to pack some muscle on.
Well as someone else alluded to, what are the chances that somebody would have imagined? We would get a number one pick in 2023 7 years ago? People would have said no way in hell
The NBA is unpredictable
Right but a freak accident facilitated the whole nephew thing which led to this. It is unpredictable but Minnesota will try everything in their power to keep him
Bro Minnesota hasnāt been trying to be bad for the last 15 years prior to this recent success. They are a historically awful franchise. They can easily fumble this, it happens all the time in the NBA.
Thats a great point but tanking is so much more accepted now. They do have a better team running it now it seems. Iām sure in 2031 5 teams will be tanking at minimum. Then a few depending on how season goes.
Statistically the pick will be btwn 9-30. And thatās ok. I can consider it a lateral move which is fine.
I just donāt think teams without there picks will be at the bottom (most likely)
Weāre betting that a franchise renowned for its ineptitude just keeps being itself.
The first playoff series win they had in 2 decades was marred by a foodfight between ownership groups.
I like our odds
pretty good, I would say.
1- This is a pretty weak draft. If those two years are average drafts, then a pick at 15 or better is probably better than a pick 8 in this draft.
2- Edwards might be in his prime, but their other players won't. And they're getting pretty skinny on draft picks in the interim to reload with.
3- They're overpaying for most of their players, limiting their ability to sign a strong FA.
4- Sota has a history of getting chemistry problems and imploding.
Edwards will leave in free agency when his current contract is up in 2029. Heāll go play in a bigger market and leave that team (who will likely already be without KAT and Gobert) in shambles. If the Spurs put together a contender in the next five years and still have those two picks, those picks could be what puts them over the top. I honestly think theyāre more likely to keep those two and trade away other picks in the nearer term.
We're more than likely are only getting our pick and the unprotected hawks pick. Bulls and Hornets are going to be bad again and they are heavily protected picks
The other issue is there just isn't really enough room on the current roster for another guard with Castle, Vassell, Jones, Branham, and Wesley. Don't want to give up on Branham or Wesley yet. Of the remaining wings, there weren't great shooters which is needed.
I think that the problem is that 2030 and 2031 are 7 and 8 seasons away. Itās been 5 years since the playoffs already, and we have an extreme lack of talent on this team now.
Itās just hard to be excited about another asset, that is almost a decade away. Itās a good deal that they had to do, but I think most fans would like to see more immediate returns. (It may be part of a trade for something, but it looks like next season will be similar to this one w/not much talent on it still.) š
Sorry, might have misread your intent. If you want them to get better more quickly, I'd just assess the trades in terms of assets then. Are the picks you got worth more than the pick/player you sent out?
Because either those picks are used in a trade or they are a way to get in cost controlled options when Wemby is expensive and around free agency.
Consider that star players typically win their first title as the bus driver at age 25-27 (including LeBron and Jordan). Wemby will be 25 in 2029. Going into that 2029 season those picks could be very valuable and helpful in trading for that missing piece.
I get it, but itās a half of a decade away before they become valuable. I think that fans are worried what happens if we are not competitive w/Wemby resigning and how the franchise will be with Pop gone, RC maybe gone, etc.
I m not saying that it was a bad trade. I just saying that I get how it takes some air out of the room, when itās the same roster next year w/little talent. Plus, unless you are young, 5-7 years puts an old fan (48 year old) like me at 53-55 before they become title contenders.
Itās smart. Frees you guys up to reload around Wemby in the future. Even better if itās coming off a finals run.
Plus I donāt think you want to develop another young gun looking to get his. Save it for a guy you really want.
Iāve seen this take only a few times and I absolutely agree with it. This more than likely will not be the last step. The Bridges trade set the market. And market says unprotected 1st round picks is the currency.
Itās upsetting because we need a lot of help and Imo ANT is 22 I donāt see them being a lottery team in his age 29 season. This was Spurs getting too cute with the trades shouldāve just gambled on Buzelis Knecht or anyone
He will be a free agent in 2029. Heāll play in NY, LA, or Miami in the ā29-ā30 season. Thereās a non-zero chance Minnesota is actually awful in 30 and 31. The Spurs spend the next few years slowly building a contender thatās a piece or two short, and these two picks could put them over the top.
My gut says we hold these two picks, at least for a few years. Knowing future draft capital is secured allows us to be more aggressive in the trade market with the picks we have in the nearer term.
Minnesota needs to win it all on his current contract, or heās not sticking around in Minnesota. Gobert will be gone. KAT will be a shell of himself. They donāt have a lot of picks between now and then. If they donāt win on his current contract, heās gone.
This team needs talent, I agree that this was getting too cute and stockpiling assets. Eventually you have to turn those assets into players. People are also overusing the weak draft tag. It's a flat draft that lacks star power at the top but they are very much more talented players all over this draft than some of the guys on our roster. Any draft pick is a swing, phili missed on several number 1 overall selections.
I would take any of the Sf selection on the board over another year of Julian Champagnie in the starting lineup
Well to be fair Castle may actually play SF he kinda did for UCONNbut wants to play PG and did play PG In high school. ANT is a FA summer 2029 so you never know
If Castle plays Sf then im mad at them not addressing other needs, again this team needs talent. Timberwolves could also be a 1 seed in the playoffs when the pick conveys. I'm not mad at the picks acquired, at the very least they are tradeable assets, the frustration is all the needs not addressed in favor of the unknown
But today is the draft so I'm reacting to the draft. Im not impatient and know to trust PATFO, BUT that doesn't mean I can't be disappointed in the moment
I donāt have an issue with passing up on Dillingham (Devin Carter fan lol) and idk what his NBA future holds but yāall acting like heās guaranteed to be a certified bum is just hilarious.
2 is a key point. Not to mention that those picks could be very valuable in several years to use in trades
The league is cyclical, the spurs being consistently good for 20 years was unprecedented and certainly not the norm. Even the warriors in 7 years went from a dynasty to being what they are now and thats with still having Curry klay and draymond
The main problem is pushing out the pick so far. Wemby will be ready to win this year or next. A pick now vs two picks that might be better years from now seems worth it.
Guess only impatient spurs fans, media guys lacking content, and minnesota believed in the 2024 draft.
I'll happily take the Spurs front office over that field.
Have you seen our point guards? We most definitely needed a point guard with some serious offensive punch, and Rob fit that bill.
You guys can't be series thinking this was a good trade? Those picks 6 and 7 years from now have exactly no value, because no one knows what happens 6 or 7 years from now.
The spurs didn't do anything but trade something that has value right now, an 8th pick, for something that doesn't have any value right now, a pick in 6 and 7 years. And there is no guarantee that it will ever have value.
It was the worst possible outcome of tonight's draft. The only thing the Spurs couldn't do was throw a pick away for nothing and that's exactly what they did.
Dillingham at best will be a 6th man who really can only score, he's gonna get burnt constantly and will struggle adjusting to the leagues physicality for a couple years I expect. Living up to his fullest potential like absolutely highest max is something along the lines of kemba walker. Kemba was good but only on a bad team the only real good team he played on was the Celtics and the dude was God awful in the playoffs it's amazing that team went as far with him as they did. There's no guarantee he'll even look the same as he did in college plenty of guys have looked far better and ended up being out of the league early
Its not even about Rob, Ā Spurs clearly picked who the Wolves wanted because the trade was near immediate. Ā Just an all around all time bad trade by the Spurs ever. Ā They could have traded that pick for something much better even next year. Ā The Spurs probably got the worst value possible for the trade. Ā Heck a 2nd round pick tbis year would have been better to roll the dice on a player with a low salary cap. Ā Wemby is going to bounce in a few years at this rate with the pick hoarding low IQ moves Brian has been doing since being GM. Ā The Wizards ran circles in a trade today with what they got trading a average player.
The wizards got fleeced, they gave up their best young player who's only 22 for some maybes, Deni was one of the better defenders in the league despite how bad Washington was and surrounded by bad defenders like Poole and kuzma. 2 firsts in back to back drafts when the only guy under contract is most likely gonna be ant for the twolves and an incoming ownership that desperately wants to get below the cap means no one really knows what the wolves are gonna look like by then. Their track record has shown they're very prone to just mess up their own team and it seems like ownership might screw over the team before they have the chance, the only way to cut costs is to lose guys like Mcdaniels and Reid since teams won't take on gobert and and KATs huge contracts so they have to go all in. We're gonna run into a similar problem eventually and the best way not to be forced to go all on is to have draft picks to either move bad contracts or draft good players on cheap contracts
>Dillingham at best will be a 6th man who really can only score, he's gonna get burnt constantly
We had Patty for ages and he became an icon of the team in that time. And he was as bad on defense as Forbes.
Patty was also playing with all time defenders a lot of that time, he was probably the worst defender on the team but he was still able to be decent because he was a good system defender. I think Branham could do the same since he has the physical tools but it'd be harder for him to get more experience and learn to play around other guys when we'd also have to do the same for someone like Dillingham
> he was probably the worst defender on the team but he was still able to be decent because he was a good system defender
Decent my ass, I got tired of seeing Patty run after guys he had to be in front of. He was as bad as Forbes, or worse. If he wasn't a bottom 10 defender in the NBA, I'll eat my shoe.
That's cus we've seen enough of patty to see all his faults plenty of guys were worse than him u just probably didn't pay attention to them much so they're not gonna stand out
This past playoffs just showed how bad it is to have someone who can get hunted on the defensive end. If Luka and Murray are bad enough, imagine a six-footer who doesn't care about defense
>we turned 1 first rounder into 2 first rounders.
A pick swap is not a pick. Stop confusing these two. Especially in this case, Minnesota needs to be worse than both Dallas and Spurs for that swap to be valuable.
Turned a Raptors pick that likely wouldn't even have converted into an unprotected first and a pick swap in 7 years with a team that's historically not been great.
It's tough. Because I can see why they traded the pick away. But it hurts to see a top 8 pick go when you can try to draft pieces now to fit around Victor.
On one hand I understand not wanting to pay any of those players rookie lottery money/not believing in them and potentially using that draft pick on trades.
But young players to draft and grow with Victor is something I would have liked to see long term and short term.
This doesn't even mean for Rob Dillingham. This is for any player Devin Carter, Matas, Topic etc.
The disappointment last night definitely got the better of me. I didn't know it was only top 1 protected at the time, which changes my opinion a bit.
It's still a loooong way away. There will be an all-star or two out of this class that we missed, and it will feel like a missed opportunity.
The fact that we traded out is not the issue. That's terrible value. There is no way around saying that traded the 8th pick for a pick in 7 years that will likely be lower. We got fleeced in value any way you look at how the trade helps.
Thats more like very poor scouting. You don't know how any draft class will actually be, many players can develop from a draft class people perceive as "bad", and plenty of top picks from good draft classes can bust hard. Ayton, Simmons, Jabari Parker, Andrew Wiggins, I can keep going on. Joker? Pick 41, was that precieved as a good or bad draft class? Who was picked 1st and 2nd? Wiggins and Parker, who was picked next? Embiid.
Dillingham and those faraway picks are both useless for the goal of contending in the next few years. Hopefully the picks are flipped for something more useful
we dont know this draft class is bad yet. its extremely boom or bust as much as i ever saw but lots of talents with high ceilings. its insane to say the draft is bad right now. it takes years to know
I was talking to a Kentucky fan and he told me before the draft Rob wouldn't be a good fit because he didn't play defense and wasn't sure if he could become what Pop would want.
leading up to the draft all of you motherfuckers were talking about how deep the draft was, there just wasn't a consensus #1 overall
now that we've traded out of it, it's back to this draft being terrible holy copium
You forget to mention the most impressive and obvious fact of the draft. We got our guy, a high ceiling guy with a great body and NBA ready defense. In a bad draft that can be very difficult.
We didnāt turn 1 pick into 2. One of them is a SWAP, so it is meaningless if we are better than the wolves, and the 2031 pick is only better than this years number 8 if the wolves are bad. So if the wolves stay good, these picks will be bad.
We didnāt turn a first rounder into two
We turned a #8 this year into a gamble 7 years from now
We have less valuable assets than we started the day with
Have 2 swaps in the same year is what doesn't make sense to me. So we will have too trade the least favorable swap available. Assuming we a better than both team in those years or now we have 2 swaps to trade
Okā¦ā¦
I donāt think most people are upset about us trading out of this draft. Itās what we got back from the trade. I would venture to guess the Spurs couldāve gotten more than a pick that is 6 to 7 years away!
I also understand that this could be a small piece to a bigger trade, but right now none of us know if this is the case.
So itās kinda understandable why āat this momentā a lot of folks are upset.
All of the best lottery shooters were bad point-of-attack defenders, all those guys are gonna get swapped onto and hunted, especially during the playoffs, the Celtics were absolutely ruthless with that this year
No, the fact we are looking 7 years down the line for draft talent is insane. We need shooting, with Castle, he couldāve made up for Robās defense.
It's extending the life of the asset to its maximum. It'll probably be traded at some point but if not it could be a really valuable asset in Wembys prime
Wemby won't need to be in his prime to be MVP level. If we value these picks so little we might as well get Bronny at 35 and try to compete immediately with Lebron on discount. It'd be hard to turn down playing with his son AND Wemby.
An unprotected first is worth 20% of Mikal Bridges. Get better players in the building now.
Half our roster should be in the G league or playing in Europe. Not a deep draft but getting a legitimate NBA rotation player on a rookie deal is a win and would help.
The 2031 pick isnāt gonna be in the lottery, the Wolves have Ant and are gonna be competing for the next 10+ years. Why is the fanbase being so delusional, do we need to justify everything?
Youāre trying to justify rob as being a good pick. Regardless, whether or not itās in the lottery probably doesnāt even matter! Because itāll probably be sent away for a superstar/key role player at some point who wonāt have robās liabilities
We better go trade for Garland now. Iām so sick of this bullshit. Defer defer defer. We already have a million fucking picks, we donāt need even more.
What part of OPās #2 point donāt you understand? Without that draft capital they can only build through free agency. Building through free agency ONLY is not a recipe for a championship contending team
Ur betting on the twolves who's longest run of dominance is about 5 years from 99-04 where they were mostly a mid team and franchise peak at getting 4-2 and swept in the wcf with multiple years of being horrendous are not only gonna be good in 10 years but stay good for 10+ years? That's so many what ifs it's just as likely we'll end up with multiple 1st overalls during that time period than them being consistently good for 10 years
Everyone thinks theyāll be competing for the next decade when they have a star. But the nba is so unpredictable and championship windows are rarely a decade long.
>donāt be upset
>everyone is overreacting
ah, how iāve missed the āletās pretend like pointing out somewhat obvious truths will change peopleās minds because i canāt handle disagreementsā posting.
Historically? LOL. No one of those guys havent even played a single game in NBA and you talk about history. We may have missed next Giannis or Gobert type players in this draft. There are always good players in every draft who go unnoticed. We problem is we not only didnt notice those hidden gems we didnt even try to draft a player and develop him. We were bragging about our ability to develop players and draft well and we just straight up refused to do this with 8th pick.
LMFAO OP thinks it is almost CERTAIN the 2030 draft class, all of which are currently in the 7th grade or so, is going to be better than this class, and also believes that the timberwolves, who have a 22 year old anthony edwards who will be coming into his prime in 2030, will be pretty bad by that time? HOW DUMB ARE YOU TEXAS FANS OMG!?
We drafting one of Manu's kids.
Rob Dillingham is not the make or break for this team ššš
I agree with everything about this post and your comment. But I did let out a scream/squeal when I heard Robs name, would have been really fun.
It would've been nice to have him but it's funny to watch the breakdowns from people who get weirdly attached to these short guards who only score
Everyone would have roasted him if in the finals he became unplayable, because thatās inevitable. In the regular season though, Rob & Wemby would have been electric.
Castle will be unplayable when they leave him and Sochan wide open good luck
Sigh, hopefully we do something other than run malaki traffic cone branham out for another tank season
I mean almost every analyst points to the fact that Castle has solid form and mechanics so improving his shot significantly is not a tall ask for him. Not to mention he is a good finisher and can take a beating down low when he drives unlike Dillingham.
Castle is a significantly better shooter than stats implied, and Iām going to go on a whim and say you donāt pay attention to much college ball. Castle brings defense, playmaking, high IQ, and extremely coachable. Not only that, but he can shoot. He suffered a knee injury in the first few weeks on UConn, and it wasnāt until later down the season that his efficiency got better. Iām bias, as Iām a UConn fan, and Iāll openly state that, but his form is natural looking. unlike sochan.
castleās FT shooting went from awful 60-something% after the injury to a hell of a lot closer to 90% in that final stretch, with his work ethic the improvement potential is obvious
And they will still be better than the pistons what is your point
I mean, TP, was a short king, who was also super skinny w/not much of a shot, great defender or great passing ability at 18. Not saying that he ll be TP, but he has many similar skills at his age and a better shot. Nobody thought TP would be a HOF er at the time either.
Thatās insulting to TP, he was never a liability on defense and was quite great at getting steals.
I loved Tony, but you must not have been around for the beginning or end of his career then. Getting steals alone, does not make you a good defender, but he only averaged .8 a game anyway.
Been watching religiously since 03. Iām not saying he was elite, but itās false to say he was anything below average imo. Iād have to look the up the defensive efficiencyās with him vs without him on floor but I never thought of him as a bad defender while watching him since he was a 20 year old kid.
TP also played before defenses had to switch constantly.
Yes, but Tony was a rookie in 2001-2002, and I also watched or taped every game off the satellite dish. (Since those Willie Anderson, Sean Elliott, Rod Strickland, David and Terry Cummings days when we got bounced by the Blazers in the playoffs š) Anyway, I digress. He was often the target of many of Popās rants in his first few seasons for his lack of strength at point of attack (he was very skinny and weak but was 18 in 01) lack of defensive awareness and not switching in the right situations was common. He was never a plus defender and because of his lack of size, often got bodied up or posted up by taller guards requiring doubles to come over. (It wouldnāt be a problem anymore as you donāt have any like Gary Payton, Sprewell, Mitch Richmond, etc. that would post up.) He didnāt have especially long arms to get in the passing lane and get a lot of deflections, etc. It just wasnāt his game, and he had a top 3 greatest defensive big in modern history playing behind him and Bruce Bowen to guard the other teams best G or SF and then Kawhi. My point was not to denigrate TP, because he was an underrated PG in the league that never really got his flowers (partly because he played in SA, partly because he had a Top 5 player playing behind him and Pop, an all time great coach and Manu s flashiness and craft and style of play had people drawing attention away from Tony.) I remember when I was praying to the NBA Gods that something happened when the Spurs were looking to bring in Jason Kidd and trade Tony (I dislike Kidd). It wasnāt because they didnāt think he could get to the rim, or run a 1 man fast break, or hit the most beautiful year drop that could almost make you shed one (which I donāt see done as consistently and stylishly anymore). Part of those discussions were about ability to lead and whether Parker could and other part was about his defense compared to bringing in Kidd. I think if you turned on a few of those games from his rookie year until about his 3rd or 4th year, you will see him running to wrong shooters, canāt get over screens easily and letting his man past and hoping TD cleaned it up. I d say that he was league average or so in middle of his career acc to StatMuse Defensive Rating and then he was bad in his last 4 years, but no prime TD behind him, slowed a bit, and his age. It happens. In this case, we would only be talking about where TP was in his rookie year or 2 vs Dillingham. If you get the chance on YouTube or whatever, itās fun and nostalgic to see a game from say back then or maybe playoff game from the 90ās just to really see David Robinson in his prime. You will start to notice things differently of a player because you know the game much better now and B) itās changed so much to a very different style.
I donāt think anyone is weirdly attached to Dillingham - your comment ignores that there were many other choices available at #8 The discontent is that we punted the ball to save salary yet again. There isnāt a larger plan to have trade assets, we have just as many assets as we had yesterday and there wasnāt a trade. Brian Wright cannot get a deal done. He is a small market brain trapped in a city that wants a ring. When someone asked what was your worst case draft scenario- this exceeded it. This was our lowest moment.
yeah i donāt care about dillingham or claim to know more than the FO, it was just a deflating and hard to understand left field move. If anyone had proposed earlier that instead of drafting at 8 we traded it for a pick in 7 years theyād have been downvoted into oblivion
Exactly- they should have traded that pick before the draft if they didnāt like anyone. Instead they decided to save some payroll money and give away a lottery pick You know there draft board was like Risacher, Castle, Sarr, Salaun, Clingan and once they were gone we went scrambling to dump the salary connected to the lottery pick. It was absolutely ridiculous to give away a lottery pick. Iām saying it now- this is an ALL TIME spurs bad draft move. Worse than Samanic, Primo, Lonnie - a historic miss. A year from now every pick that was on the board at 8 who is looking promising is going to be salt in an open wound
šššššššš The Spurs wanted to keep the pick if SalaĆ¼n was still available, which is why they didnāt trade it early. Trading the #8 pick was Plan B if he was off the table at that point, and it was a decent plan B. It saves cap space and they got two 1st round picks for a time when Minnesota will, in all likelihood, be a mediocre team, with only Ant-Man as their lone all-star at that point. Once the Spurs start winning, low picks will be impossible to come by, and the Spurs build through the draft. They donāt have the luxury of being L.A, N.Y, or Boston. Ring chasing vets will come, but the core will always be developed through the draft.
I think youāre right about them wanting to see who was available at 8 Not sure that was the best executed plan considering the dogshit we got for a lottery pick. A team with as little talent as we have couldnāt find available talent at #8, thatās just hard to imagine. We will be talking about the all stars we passed on for a LONG time
I don't really get why, to me he just is a smaller version of malaki except at least malaki has some defensive tools to bank on in the future rob is 6'1 160 besides Trae young every other guy who's come into the league within the past 20 years and been that small has been almost immediately sent to the g league. At best he's Terry Rozier but worse defensively, Lou Will but less talented in the end not a winning player
Not even close. Malaki was never a 3 point shooter. Rob is top 3 shooter in the class. Rob has one of the quickest first steps and most dynamic handle in his class. Malaki was alright at everything and above average midrange.
Malaki shot near 50% from the field in college and was freshman of his conference the first since dlo and averaged 14 and 2. Those aren't too far off of Dillingham's stats I couldn't find the 3pt% on his college profile oddly not even his makes or attempts but remember coming in he was pretty capable and was looked at very highly since he shot nearly 84% from the ft line. Dillingham was really only much better from 3 and a lot of that can be attributed to having extremely talented guys around him like Sheppard who's taking a lot of the shooting attention away
Ja Morant has a smaller wingspan than Dill
Fucking thank you. Seriously, people here acting as if we traded the rights to luka doncic to the mavs or something. It's a weak ass draft. People aren't even exited for the first pick! I just saw him get picked and I don't even remember his name. Have people in this sub forgotten we had the 4th pick and got a more quality player? Calm down. Getting an unprotected first for when minnesota will eventually minnesota as wemby is in his prime is juicy. Then you guys will be talking about how the spurs FO are such geniuses.
>Seriously, people here acting as if we traded the rights to luka doncic to the mavs or something. It's funny you say this because this trade genuinely might give us a higher chance of acquiring Doncic then before. Not saying it will ever happen but an Unprotected first round pick + we also have a pickswap with DAL in the same year as the Minny pick swap one.
First time in a while I've seen the #1 pick be someone who was basically never mocked as the best prospect
You miss the point that it isnāt about Dillingham- itās about our failure before that pick to get a deal. We donāt have more assets today than yesterday. If there was some plan to trade for a veteran it should have gone down before the draft - but it didnāt because there isnāt one. What youāre calling genius is just us being cheap with payroll, this was a payroll move. Being cheap and winning are oil and vinegar.
this was not a payroll move. it sounds like you are new here.
It 100% was a payroll move.
I didn't say it was genius. I was saying that like down the line if Minnesota implodes, all of a sudden that pick (if we still have it) will be juicy and the same people that are so negative about this move do a 180 and call it genius or aomething
The guy is barely 6 foot 1 and 160 lbs. If he is somehow able to survive contact from dudes twice his size, he'll be getting his shots blocked at the rim constantly. He wasn't even the best 3pt shooter in the class too. Add all of that with his historically bad defense, and it's a no from me.
Okay but like what makes you think a 2030 pick is any better of a chance at being the make or break lol
Neither is that 2031 pick
The fact Knecht is still on the board and half this sub was in love with him at 8 is all you need to know about collective opinions
I would be pleased if we traded up for him if he falls a bit further. 35 and some future 2nds.
At this rate we might not have to trade up lol
Turns out 23 year old, one-way players aren't good lottery picks
i mean people were using this rebuttal about Cam Whitmore last year and then he had a pretty good rookie season in turn.
There's concerns about his long-term health IIRC
Funny you should mention Cam Whitmore, I still have zero confidence in Cam Whitmore becoming a star. The Rockets love to hype up their young players to give casual fans the impression that they're better than they really are.
I got shit on here and told knecht over and over for castle and salaun months ago and we got one and the other didn't make it to 8.
MASSIVE defensive liability. Rob will be one of the smallest defenders in the league and will be hunted on defense relentlessly, especially in the postseason. Likely not even playable in the postseason, especially a deep playoff run. Everyone freaking out needs to rewatch Boston's offensive sets this playoffs. They isolated and punished bad defenders over and over and fucking over. vs- 2 virtually unprotected picks from a team with some old players, not many draft picks, and a history of getting toxic chemistry and imploding? yes please!
Most comments here are fully thought out. Apparently weak draft spurs should trade out of turned into GOATing a six foot defensive liability
But do you not feel we could have drafted someone else at #8?
Who was on the board that you wouldāve taken? Salaun and Holland were both gone. Maybe MAYBE Buzelis????
Carter
Yeah, I guess I could get on board with picking Carter
I'll accept it if we're taking Traore or Flagg with a massive trade up into the 1st overall.
Honestly, would've loved Knecht or Carter, but perhaps once the Spurs leverage the Twolves picks in a trade it will be easier to say if we were better off with dillingham/knecht or whhatever the Spurs get in a trade. You'd have to think a trade is in the works.
Godddd yāall are all so shortsighted. Those picks are gonna be MONEY in a few years when weāre making deep playoff runs, and the Timberwolves are trash. Whether we use them or trade them it literally doesnāt matter. Just imagine if prime Timmy Tony Manu spurs had a couple of top-10 picks. Holy fuck. Think like, how excited you are that we own Atlantaās picks when theyāre on the verge of collapseā¦ but more dramatic.
Timberwolves won't be shite in a few years, Edwards is very young. We won't even keep those picks, most likely package them in a trade
My brotherā¦ Edwards is the only one who is young and his contract is up in 27/28. The entire rest of the team will be either retired or old by the time these picks, and they are already very skinny on other draft picks to restock with.
God willing my friend
Oh, and also they are in the midst of a big ownership struggle. This all I think bodes well for
Very true! Good call buddy
Edwards will be all they have, if he doesnāt bolt in FA. Theyāve mortgaged the farm to build this current team, KAT will be 35 and Rudy will be 39. Theyāre probably going to suck.
That's the implication when Wright in the post draft interview said he couldn't talk about it. Maybe being coy, but I assume if there wasn't anything planned, he would have said they were "looking to build to the future" or some other vague nonsense instead.
I was one of the biggest Rob supporters but this is facts. Trading out of a weak draft makes sense. Rob might be really good but there are also a bunch of other ways to get a good point guard (next yearās draft, trade etc). Also, people keep bringing up how the wolves picks might not be good, that is more than likely not our problem. I am almost certain we wonāt be using them and will package them in a trade in the future. My guess is the spurs wanna be ready to make a big move next offseason
People here must not grasp the idea that future draft picks can be used to make deals for other players now or season after.
Of course they don't. They think we're scouting 14-year-olds
yeah, the incredibly valuable minnesota pick lmfao, good to trade down to bottom 8 pick in 6 years from now!
I disagree with you. I, for one, fucking hate Robās game and am super happy we donāt have to watch him play zero defense on this team.
Agree completely, I texted my friend when the pick was made and was super pissed. The trade made me happy.
Same, I had to watch one of the ESPN talking heads talk about how much he liked Dilly and casually added, "he just needs to try on defense", and his female co-host about fell out with, "I wish you wouldn't have said that cuz it negates your whole argument" lol. So glad we traded that pick, both Kentucky guards were great on O but way undersized w/o enough dog in them to overcome it, that's a recipe for playoff disaster
As opposed to Tre, Branhim, and Wessley stellar defense.
Wesley is actually not a bad defender, and Tre is not a disaster either. Thereās a big gap between them and Branham, and Iād rather not have two Branhams. In fact, Iād rather not even have one.
Wesley is still super raw, but he made a huge leap, he went past Branham in the rotation. He's undersized along with Tre. Dillingham and Sheppard and Carter (if they fell to us) will be exploited. With Castle, we've got a legit 6'5 / 6'9 wingspan, who will be guarding the SGA's of the world. He's probably going to grow a bit too, maybe to 6'6'/6'7. Tre / Blake / Castle is fine for where we're at with rebuilding.
I donāt think Blake is too undersized, heās 6ā4ish with a 6ā9 wingspan which is not too bad for a PG which is where I think he ends up. Heās just young and skinny, but I can see him holding up guarding 1-3 once heās had a few years to pack some muscle on.
Why add to it then?
Yeah I was baffled when we selected Dillingham. I was so happy when I found out there's a trade.
What are the chances that Minnesota's (who has Edwards who will be in his prime) pick will be better than pick 8 in this draft?
What are the chances we are still holding on to those assets in 2031?
Zero
nodding. After what Bridges just garnered they've got to hoard.
Well as someone else alluded to, what are the chances that somebody would have imagined? We would get a number one pick in 2023 7 years ago? People would have said no way in hell The NBA is unpredictable
Right but a freak accident facilitated the whole nephew thing which led to this. It is unpredictable but Minnesota will try everything in their power to keep him
Yeah and we tried to be bad. Minn wonāt do that if they donāt have picks.
Bro Minnesota hasnāt been trying to be bad for the last 15 years prior to this recent success. They are a historically awful franchise. They can easily fumble this, it happens all the time in the NBA.
Thats a great point but tanking is so much more accepted now. They do have a better team running it now it seems. Iām sure in 2031 5 teams will be tanking at minimum. Then a few depending on how season goes. Statistically the pick will be btwn 9-30. And thatās ok. I can consider it a lateral move which is fine. I just donāt think teams without there picks will be at the bottom (most likely)
I have no proof but I'm 99.99% sure the nephew thing happens no matter what, it always seemed like it was just a convenient excuse
Weāre betting that a franchise renowned for its ineptitude just keeps being itself. The first playoff series win they had in 2 decades was marred by a foodfight between ownership groups. I like our odds
pretty good, I would say. 1- This is a pretty weak draft. If those two years are average drafts, then a pick at 15 or better is probably better than a pick 8 in this draft. 2- Edwards might be in his prime, but their other players won't. And they're getting pretty skinny on draft picks in the interim to reload with. 3- They're overpaying for most of their players, limiting their ability to sign a strong FA. 4- Sota has a history of getting chemistry problems and imploding.
5- they're in the midst of an ownership dispute which will undoubtedly affect financial stability
Edwards will leave in free agency when his current contract is up in 2029. Heāll go play in a bigger market and leave that team (who will likely already be without KAT and Gobert) in shambles. If the Spurs put together a contender in the next five years and still have those two picks, those picks could be what puts them over the top. I honestly think theyāre more likely to keep those two and trade away other picks in the nearer term.
Not likely
what are the chances the Spurs could have gotten more for #8 though? I think 100%
Spurs will have 7 picks in next yearās draft. 4-1st and 3-2nd! And with the 2 Minnesota picks weāre up to 36 picks from years 25-31. Jesus!
We're more than likely are only getting our pick and the unprotected hawks pick. Bulls and Hornets are going to be bad again and they are heavily protected picks
I agree the Bulls and Hornets will be bad, but I think a lot of teams will be tanking next season.Ā
The other issue is there just isn't really enough room on the current roster for another guard with Castle, Vassell, Jones, Branham, and Wesley. Don't want to give up on Branham or Wesley yet. Of the remaining wings, there weren't great shooters which is needed.
Needed 3 seconds to cope. Now I am looking forward to the season. Need to see how castle performs and what Pop drafts up
I just wish Clingan would've fallen. one. more.Ā spot.
People act like the Spurs cant package the first they got from Minny for something sooner.
people also act like this is the only trade Spurs could have possibly made
Kentucky fan here. I donāt dislike Dillingham but he is way too small and doesnāt fit what the Spurs need imo.
Great trade, I love it.
I think that the problem is that 2030 and 2031 are 7 and 8 seasons away. Itās been 5 years since the playoffs already, and we have an extreme lack of talent on this team now. Itās just hard to be excited about another asset, that is almost a decade away. Itās a good deal that they had to do, but I think most fans would like to see more immediate returns. (It may be part of a trade for something, but it looks like next season will be similar to this one w/not much talent on it still.) š
Go pick Johnny Furphy tomorrow and let him be your development player with shooting ability...
I'd like to yell go Furphy at my TV!
Development player? Thats 3/4 of our roster!
Sorry, might have misread your intent. If you want them to get better more quickly, I'd just assess the trades in terms of assets then. Are the picks you got worth more than the pick/player you sent out? Because either those picks are used in a trade or they are a way to get in cost controlled options when Wemby is expensive and around free agency.
Consider that star players typically win their first title as the bus driver at age 25-27 (including LeBron and Jordan). Wemby will be 25 in 2029. Going into that 2029 season those picks could be very valuable and helpful in trading for that missing piece.
I get it, but itās a half of a decade away before they become valuable. I think that fans are worried what happens if we are not competitive w/Wemby resigning and how the franchise will be with Pop gone, RC maybe gone, etc. I m not saying that it was a bad trade. I just saying that I get how it takes some air out of the room, when itās the same roster next year w/little talent. Plus, unless you are young, 5-7 years puts an old fan (48 year old) like me at 53-55 before they become title contenders.
Itās smart. Frees you guys up to reload around Wemby in the future. Even better if itās coming off a finals run. Plus I donāt think you want to develop another young gun looking to get his. Save it for a guy you really want.
Iāve seen this take only a few times and I absolutely agree with it. This more than likely will not be the last step. The Bridges trade set the market. And market says unprotected 1st round picks is the currency.
Time to go scout early middle school hoops! We gotta be on top of the other teams
Yeah, you go watch some 12 year olds!
Dillingham gonna give Trae Young legit competition for worst starting defender in the whole league (when Conley retires)
Young will undoubtedly be better. He's got size and actually knows how to show on a hedge
Meh. Trade wasnāt ideal but itās too early to judge. Letās see what other moves we do. Offseason isnāt over. Love the castle pick tho.
Itās upsetting because we need a lot of help and Imo ANT is 22 I donāt see them being a lottery team in his age 29 season. This was Spurs getting too cute with the trades shouldāve just gambled on Buzelis Knecht or anyone
He will be a free agent in 2029. Heāll play in NY, LA, or Miami in the ā29-ā30 season. Thereās a non-zero chance Minnesota is actually awful in 30 and 31. The Spurs spend the next few years slowly building a contender thatās a piece or two short, and these two picks could put them over the top.
Could be lot to gamble on today tho
My gut says we hold these two picks, at least for a few years. Knowing future draft capital is secured allows us to be more aggressive in the trade market with the picks we have in the nearer term.
That's my one big concern too, prime ant should be scary as hell.
He is a FA ANT that is summer 2029
Minnesota needs to win it all on his current contract, or heās not sticking around in Minnesota. Gobert will be gone. KAT will be a shell of himself. They donāt have a lot of picks between now and then. If they donāt win on his current contract, heās gone.
This team needs talent, I agree that this was getting too cute and stockpiling assets. Eventually you have to turn those assets into players. People are also overusing the weak draft tag. It's a flat draft that lacks star power at the top but they are very much more talented players all over this draft than some of the guys on our roster. Any draft pick is a swing, phili missed on several number 1 overall selections. I would take any of the Sf selection on the board over another year of Julian Champagnie in the starting lineup
Well to be fair Castle may actually play SF he kinda did for UCONNbut wants to play PG and did play PG In high school. ANT is a FA summer 2029 so you never know
If Castle plays Sf then im mad at them not addressing other needs, again this team needs talent. Timberwolves could also be a 1 seed in the playoffs when the pick conveys. I'm not mad at the picks acquired, at the very least they are tradeable assets, the frustration is all the needs not addressed in favor of the unknown
Rome wasnāt built in a day and they can in FA
But today is the draft so I'm reacting to the draft. Im not impatient and know to trust PATFO, BUT that doesn't mean I can't be disappointed in the moment
I donāt have an issue with passing up on Dillingham (Devin Carter fan lol) and idk what his NBA future holds but yāall acting like heās guaranteed to be a certified bum is just hilarious.
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Not true draft class is OK There were no stars We don't need a star We need players
>I would argue we don't even need Rob. Most people aren't arguing this. You can draft other better prospect if Rob isn't a good fit.
2 is a key point. Not to mention that those picks could be very valuable in several years to use in trades The league is cyclical, the spurs being consistently good for 20 years was unprecedented and certainly not the norm. Even the warriors in 7 years went from a dynasty to being what they are now and thats with still having Curry klay and draymond
The main problem is pushing out the pick so far. Wemby will be ready to win this year or next. A pick now vs two picks that might be better years from now seems worth it.
Guess only impatient spurs fans, media guys lacking content, and minnesota believed in the 2024 draft. I'll happily take the Spurs front office over that field.
We turned a top 10 first into potentially just a late first. This too much gambling bro
Yāall got the best player of the draft (again) and youāre *complaining*? Iām a Wizards fan, man, have some perspectiveā¦
Have you seen our point guards? We most definitely needed a point guard with some serious offensive punch, and Rob fit that bill. You guys can't be series thinking this was a good trade? Those picks 6 and 7 years from now have exactly no value, because no one knows what happens 6 or 7 years from now. The spurs didn't do anything but trade something that has value right now, an 8th pick, for something that doesn't have any value right now, a pick in 6 and 7 years. And there is no guarantee that it will ever have value. It was the worst possible outcome of tonight's draft. The only thing the Spurs couldn't do was throw a pick away for nothing and that's exactly what they did.
Dillingham at best will be a 6th man who really can only score, he's gonna get burnt constantly and will struggle adjusting to the leagues physicality for a couple years I expect. Living up to his fullest potential like absolutely highest max is something along the lines of kemba walker. Kemba was good but only on a bad team the only real good team he played on was the Celtics and the dude was God awful in the playoffs it's amazing that team went as far with him as they did. There's no guarantee he'll even look the same as he did in college plenty of guys have looked far better and ended up being out of the league early
Its not even about Rob, Ā Spurs clearly picked who the Wolves wanted because the trade was near immediate. Ā Just an all around all time bad trade by the Spurs ever. Ā They could have traded that pick for something much better even next year. Ā The Spurs probably got the worst value possible for the trade. Ā Heck a 2nd round pick tbis year would have been better to roll the dice on a player with a low salary cap. Ā Wemby is going to bounce in a few years at this rate with the pick hoarding low IQ moves Brian has been doing since being GM. Ā The Wizards ran circles in a trade today with what they got trading a average player.
The wizards got fleeced, they gave up their best young player who's only 22 for some maybes, Deni was one of the better defenders in the league despite how bad Washington was and surrounded by bad defenders like Poole and kuzma. 2 firsts in back to back drafts when the only guy under contract is most likely gonna be ant for the twolves and an incoming ownership that desperately wants to get below the cap means no one really knows what the wolves are gonna look like by then. Their track record has shown they're very prone to just mess up their own team and it seems like ownership might screw over the team before they have the chance, the only way to cut costs is to lose guys like Mcdaniels and Reid since teams won't take on gobert and and KATs huge contracts so they have to go all in. We're gonna run into a similar problem eventually and the best way not to be forced to go all on is to have draft picks to either move bad contracts or draft good players on cheap contracts
>Dillingham at best will be a 6th man who really can only score, he's gonna get burnt constantly We had Patty for ages and he became an icon of the team in that time. And he was as bad on defense as Forbes.
Patty was also playing with all time defenders a lot of that time, he was probably the worst defender on the team but he was still able to be decent because he was a good system defender. I think Branham could do the same since he has the physical tools but it'd be harder for him to get more experience and learn to play around other guys when we'd also have to do the same for someone like Dillingham
> he was probably the worst defender on the team but he was still able to be decent because he was a good system defender Decent my ass, I got tired of seeing Patty run after guys he had to be in front of. He was as bad as Forbes, or worse. If he wasn't a bottom 10 defender in the NBA, I'll eat my shoe.
That's cus we've seen enough of patty to see all his faults plenty of guys were worse than him u just probably didn't pay attention to them much so they're not gonna stand out
This past playoffs just showed how bad it is to have someone who can get hunted on the defensive end. If Luka and Murray are bad enough, imagine a six-footer who doesn't care about defense
People have been freaking out on all the subs acting like it was a dumb move by Spurs. āWhy would they trade their guard??!ā
Even if Ant leaves itās likely not before 2031 after his super max
>we turned 1 first rounder into 2 first rounders. A pick swap is not a pick. Stop confusing these two. Especially in this case, Minnesota needs to be worse than both Dallas and Spurs for that swap to be valuable.
They canāt afford to renew Kat, he wonāt be on the team come next February
Great flip to turn the 8th pick in a weak class to ammo for our next move. Look at how many picks it took to get Bridges for the Knicks
I feel like the Front Office wants to tank one more year for Nolan Traore
Turned a Raptors pick that likely wouldn't even have converted into an unprotected first and a pick swap in 7 years with a team that's historically not been great.
I'm over my initial shock. Maybe I am being too optimistic but those picks from Minny are going to get packaged for a trade this summer
It's tough. Because I can see why they traded the pick away. But it hurts to see a top 8 pick go when you can try to draft pieces now to fit around Victor. On one hand I understand not wanting to pay any of those players rookie lottery money/not believing in them and potentially using that draft pick on trades. But young players to draft and grow with Victor is something I would have liked to see long term and short term. This doesn't even mean for Rob Dillingham. This is for any player Devin Carter, Matas, Topic etc.
buzelis at 8 would have been nice, but I guess they don't believe in him at all...
The disappointment last night definitely got the better of me. I didn't know it was only top 1 protected at the time, which changes my opinion a bit. It's still a loooong way away. There will be an all-star or two out of this class that we missed, and it will feel like a missed opportunity.
The fact that we traded out is not the issue. That's terrible value. There is no way around saying that traded the 8th pick for a pick in 7 years that will likely be lower. We got fleeced in value any way you look at how the trade helps.
I just wanted him to be a Spur š he soundednlike he genuinely wanted to play for the org.
Thats more like very poor scouting. You don't know how any draft class will actually be, many players can develop from a draft class people perceive as "bad", and plenty of top picks from good draft classes can bust hard. Ayton, Simmons, Jabari Parker, Andrew Wiggins, I can keep going on. Joker? Pick 41, was that precieved as a good or bad draft class? Who was picked 1st and 2nd? Wiggins and Parker, who was picked next? Embiid.
Should have gotten Monte morris from the wolves instead. Proper point guard.
Agree with everything you stated. Dillingham is not a Spurs guy
Think about the dollars paid to not one but two top 15 picks. Spurs are making a money savings play here and still getting the pick that they wanted.
Dillingham and those faraway picks are both useless for the goal of contending in the next few years. Hopefully the picks are flipped for something more useful
we dont know this draft class is bad yet. its extremely boom or bust as much as i ever saw but lots of talents with high ceilings. its insane to say the draft is bad right now. it takes years to know
I was talking to a Kentucky fan and he told me before the draft Rob wouldn't be a good fit because he didn't play defense and wasn't sure if he could become what Pop would want.
leading up to the draft all of you motherfuckers were talking about how deep the draft was, there just wasn't a consensus #1 overall now that we've traded out of it, it's back to this draft being terrible holy copium
You forget to mention the most impressive and obvious fact of the draft. We got our guy, a high ceiling guy with a great body and NBA ready defense. In a bad draft that can be very difficult.
We didnāt turn 1 pick into 2. One of them is a SWAP, so it is meaningless if we are better than the wolves, and the 2031 pick is only better than this years number 8 if the wolves are bad. So if the wolves stay good, these picks will be bad.
If weāre better than the wolves then we can swap and take their higher pick.
Yes, and give up our pick in the swap. We donāt get two ānewā, which OP said we turned 1 pick into 2 picks. We did not.
And we already have a Mavs swap that year
We didnāt turn a first rounder into two We turned a #8 this year into a gamble 7 years from now We have less valuable assets than we started the day with
Have 2 swaps in the same year is what doesn't make sense to me. So we will have too trade the least favorable swap available. Assuming we a better than both team in those years or now we have 2 swaps to trade
Okā¦ā¦ I donāt think most people are upset about us trading out of this draft. Itās what we got back from the trade. I would venture to guess the Spurs couldāve gotten more than a pick that is 6 to 7 years away! I also understand that this could be a small piece to a bigger trade, but right now none of us know if this is the case. So itās kinda understandable why āat this momentā a lot of folks are upset.
I kept hoping the Raps pick wouldn't convey. I love this part of the outcome
Dumb we didnāt get at least 1 shooter. Shooting is mad expensive and Vic wants to compete.
All of the best lottery shooters were bad point-of-attack defenders, all those guys are gonna get swapped onto and hunted, especially during the playoffs, the Celtics were absolutely ruthless with that this year
Thereās no way you can convince me thatās the best they could get for the #8. That pick will be worthless because of Ant.
Yeah this is pure cope. Ā
No, the fact we are looking 7 years down the line for draft talent is insane. We need shooting, with Castle, he couldāve made up for Robās defense.
Dawg the picks are probably for a trade. I donāt think weāre gonna actually use those picks.
It better be or else my point stands.
It's extending the life of the asset to its maximum. It'll probably be traded at some point but if not it could be a really valuable asset in Wembys prime
Wemby won't need to be in his prime to be MVP level. If we value these picks so little we might as well get Bronny at 35 and try to compete immediately with Lebron on discount. It'd be hard to turn down playing with his son AND Wemby.
So little? An unprotected first is always very valuable
Only if we're counting on Ant to be on another team in his prime.
Which is likely.
Is it? You can count out the possibility of Memphis wanting him gone.
An unprotected first is worth 20% of Mikal Bridges. Get better players in the building now. Half our roster should be in the G league or playing in Europe. Not a deep draft but getting a legitimate NBA rotation player on a rookie deal is a win and would help.
The 2031 pick isnāt gonna be in the lottery, the Wolves have Ant and are gonna be competing for the next 10+ years. Why is the fanbase being so delusional, do we need to justify everything?
Youāre trying to justify rob as being a good pick. Regardless, whether or not itās in the lottery probably doesnāt even matter! Because itāll probably be sent away for a superstar/key role player at some point who wonāt have robās liabilities
We better go trade for Garland now. Iām so sick of this bullshit. Defer defer defer. We already have a million fucking picks, we donāt need even more.
What part of OPās #2 point donāt you understand? Without that draft capital they can only build through free agency. Building through free agency ONLY is not a recipe for a championship contending team
Ur betting on the twolves who's longest run of dominance is about 5 years from 99-04 where they were mostly a mid team and franchise peak at getting 4-2 and swept in the wcf with multiple years of being horrendous are not only gonna be good in 10 years but stay good for 10+ years? That's so many what ifs it's just as likely we'll end up with multiple 1st overalls during that time period than them being consistently good for 10 years
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Everyone thinks theyāll be competing for the next decade when they have a star. But the nba is so unpredictable and championship windows are rarely a decade long.
>donāt be upset >everyone is overreacting ah, how iāve missed the āletās pretend like pointing out somewhat obvious truths will change peopleās minds because i canāt handle disagreementsā posting.
Historically? LOL. No one of those guys havent even played a single game in NBA and you talk about history. We may have missed next Giannis or Gobert type players in this draft. There are always good players in every draft who go unnoticed. We problem is we not only didnt notice those hidden gems we didnt even try to draft a player and develop him. We were bragging about our ability to develop players and draft well and we just straight up refused to do this with 8th pick.
LMFAO OP thinks it is almost CERTAIN the 2030 draft class, all of which are currently in the 7th grade or so, is going to be better than this class, and also believes that the timberwolves, who have a 22 year old anthony edwards who will be coming into his prime in 2030, will be pretty bad by that time? HOW DUMB ARE YOU TEXAS FANS OMG!?