After taking Booker 13th,
the suns took Bender 4th, Chriss 8th, Josh Jackson 4th (over Fox), Ayton 1st (over Luka), Cam Johnson 11th (yay!), Jalen Smith 10th (over Vassell, Haliburton), and I can’t remember anyone who’s been drafted since then
The 2016 class wasn't the best but god damn...taking Bender and Chriss still haunts me.
We missed Jamal Murray and Buddy Hield with the #4 pick, then Sabonis, Siakim and Brogdon all got picked after Chriss.
Then we took No-Effort Ayton over Luka two years later.
FML
The most inexplicable one to me was taking Jalen Smith with a plan to make him play PF. Awful, Haliburton was right there ready to learn from Chris Paul
Siakim was picked 27 and Brogdon 36th no one was picking them 8th
In fact if Siakim was picked 8th and had the pressure to contribute right away instead of develop in the Raps system he isn't who he is today. Post Chriss it's really just Poeltl and Sabonis and then not much for a while
Bucks picking Maker over Sabonis is a real what if
Still understandable they took Ayton from the perspective that they had spent so many picks on wings already and were barren at center.
Kings on the other hand taking Bagley over Luka...
At the time ayton was a no brainer y'all needed a big man and he went to Arizona and was a beast and you gotta remember at that time it wasn't looked at as smart to draft a euro guy top 3 American players were looked at as far superior to euro talent until Luka Giannis and joker broke out
They even had his coach or some shit. But Luka’s camp were being bitch asses tho. They were saying he wasn’t going to play for Sac, Memphis, ATL, etc.
I’d have picked him anyway and called his bluff.
That’s actually insane. You’d think you would at least get some good role players worth keeping around. That’s like the Tampa buccaneers have never signed a qb they drafted to a second contract.
In what world are 5th picks not actual draft picks? In both of the previous drafts, there have been multiple players picked after Detroit's pick who have shown themselves as better than Ivey and ~~Duren~~ Ausar. At this point, they're just whining why they aren't being given consecutive no. 1 picks in drafts with a consensus "can't miss" best player.
Duren was a hit for them, not a miss. You’re right about Ivey and some others tho. You clearly don’t watch duren if you think he was one of their mess ups, he was a 13th pick, not a 5th.
He’s basically a bigger, better version of Bam at the same age. If his ceiling is something like Bam or a poor man’s Dwight Howard, that’s fantastic value at the 13th pick for an actual 18 year old.
As a Pistons fan who's subjected themselves to too many of these fucking games this year you are way off.
Duren is Drummond 2.0. dude gives less than 0 effort on defense unless he's already in a position to block some guards layup. He has negative mobility on the perimeter for as athletic as he is. His offensive rebounding numbers were inflated by the whole team's inability to shoot leading to more misses. He never has position for rebounds, he just out athletics people to the ball.
He checks every single box Drummond did down to the pouting if he hasn't gotten the ball on offense, wild drives with no plan that sometimes **somehow** work out, and a motor so inconsistent that you could ship it off in some Chinese shitbox car.
I mean he’s 19 years old and plays on the worst team in the league with literally 0 culture… I wouldn’t get carried away with negatives. Anyone that young who puts up those numbers with that level of raw talent is valuable. Kinda hard to imagine he’d be that passive on a Boston or Miami team that wouldn’t allow it. The pistons suck from top to bottom but getting someone with his potential and upside/youth at the 13th pick is a steal no matter what way you look at it. Getting Drummond with a 13th pick would be a steal.
I always think it’s funny when highlight and box score watchers comment on a player on a bad team that we all know they don’t watch. Always “well the team is bad” defense. Yea the team is bad partially bc their best big man is lazy and a bad individual defender
Mate, the Pistons have been garbage the better part of the last 15 l. I think the Pistons deserve more blame for how their sophomore plays than the Sophomore does for how trash their team is lol
I mean it’s not really about blame though. It doesn’t matter whose fault it is that Duren is not a winning player — the reality is that he just isn’t a winning player at the moment. Some of that’s on Detroit, some of that is on him, and I’m not really sure who is more to blame
but it doesn’t really matter. Maybe you take him out of Detroit and get him in a org with solid culture and good coaching and he turns into a winning player. But he wouldn’t be one on Day 1 when he walks in.
If I’m on the pistons and I see everyone else not playing a lick of defense, why would I? Why would I rotate when my man is gonna be the dude left open? Plus I’m the center, just stay near the paint cause the guards and wings are gonna let their guy right into the paint anyway
I remember everyone expecting them to take Hali and they took Killian. Outside of that I feel their draft picks have been solid. Cade obviously, Ivey and Duren were/are debatably more talented than anybody else below them sans Eason/Mathurin/Nembhard. Sekou was rough but nobody was even remotely close to a game-changer below him anyways, and then Bruce Brown and Kennard are the perfect role-player builds.
It definitely comes down much more to them not having a consistent coach or identity as a team, and getting absolutely nothing from free agency or their trades. I’m in no position to talk about what’s going wrong there but I genuinely don’t think where they’re fucking up is in the draft
Its obviously easy to dog pile on the Pistons we deserve it, so Im not gonna argue with everyone here, but this is the correct take. Drafting is the only thing were doing right. We were essentially starting three 2nd year (Cade Ivey Duren) players and a rookie (Ausar). What did ppl exepct? They failed miserably at putting solid vets/players around our young guys, outside of Bogdanovic.
I saw a post recently on the Detroit sub noting that we need to upgrade our two biggest needs this off-season: Shooting and Defense.
I mean, how does a GM have a job for half a decade and the end result is missing these two pretty fundamental qualities.
I'm no mastermind but seems like two key factors on the scouting board.
I almost feel bad for them. Poor guys been the worst team in the league for as long as I’ve been a basketball fan and all these high draft picks they’re getting ain’t popping
You had to be there, not picking rubio for dollar store ankles curry would've been wild. We have hindsight now but anyone would've picked Rubio then, had mfs declaring he was a prophet on that court
Dude was 17 playing in a gold medal Olympic game against the redeem team. And had been playing pro basketball since he was 14.
Only reason he didn’t go top 3 was because no one knew how long it would take for him to come over to the NBA
Honestly though picking rubio was like the luka pick... in a world where his skills dont translate and trae young becomes the definitive best shooter of all time
How is that wild? Holiday played his last game for the Sixers in April 2013 and Embiid played his first in October 2016. There were 3 and a half years in between. If you want context for how long that is, 3.5 years ago the Lakers had just beaten the Heat in the bubble playoffs
The Sixers would have needed to have not traded Jrue, still somehow sucked enough to get a top 3 pick in the 2014 draft (not likely with Jrue) and then keep Jrue around for another two full seasons and offseasons. The chances of all that happening are slim
As a Sixer fan, we’ve definitely looked like incompetent morons for most of the last decade. That said, Holiday and Embiid playing together is a crazy hypothetical. Like significantly crazier than if the Sixers drafted Tatum instead of Fultz
Oh yes, the process definitely sucked ass. After all, the process was finished and the Sixers weren't forced by the owners/the NBA to fire Hinkie and replace him with a senile Jerry and his dumbfuck son Bryan Collarslantelo.
Though they doubled down making the dumbest front office decisions by hiring Brand later. But the process really ended in April 2016
Super late edit: just realised I wrote junkie instead of Hinkie lmao
Two #1 overalls that are basically bench pieces at best. Colangelo picking countless euros over nova guys who play in the same building. Hitting on none of them. Trading multiple 1s away for Tobi then maxing him and signing Horford. Getting Butler for just Dario/Roco then gifting him to a rival for JRich. The period between drafting Embiid and drafting Maxey has to be the worst run by a teams front office
The process ended when the league forced hinkie to leave and appointed colangelo that clown and his regime wasted all of our assets on bench players, cash and tobias fucking harris
How do we rank:
- Fultz/Tatum
- Tobias trade and extension
- Mikal Bridges vs. the guy that got a tracheostomy
- Tobias/Simmons over Jimmy
- Embiid/Horford double big, then having to dump Horford
They also:
Could've picked Adebayo or Jarrett Allen in 2017.
Picked Willie Caulie-Stein over Devin Booker in 2015.
Picked Nick Staukas over Zach Lavine in 2014.
Picked Thomas Robinson over Dame in 2012.
Could've picked Klay and Kawhi in 2011.
I was not really high on Thomas Robinson. Felt like the pair of Jason Thompson and Patrick Patterson were enough to complement Boogie. I also felt like IT's ceiling was a 6th man scorer ala Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams. So might as well pick an NBA ready PG in Dame.
Most of those at the time weren't really regarded as terrible choices.
They got Fox in 2017 and that's worked out well. Justin Jackson and Harry Giles didn't turn out, but Giles was a top prospect in HS worth taking a flyer on, and Jackson was an all-american and near 20ppg scorer in college at UNC.
In retrospect, it wasn't great, but WCS was valued higher than Booker, who was extremely young iirc.
Stauskas was a surprise, but LaVine had his own concerns as far as being anything more than a dunker.
T-Rob was largely lauded as a great pick, Dame was kind of an unknown commodity and was also much much older. The question was whether he was just a senior beating up on single-bid conference opponents.
They traded down and grabbed Jimmer, which was dubious at the time with folks comparing Fredette to someone like Adam Morrison - but they had Tyeke playing well and needed spacing. Kawhi couldn't shoot at all. Klay had concerns about his footspeed or strength to find a home at SG or SF. Was defensively kind of a tweeter.
This is the one. Their run of wasted picks from 2011-2018 is legendary:
**2018**
- Took Marvin Bagley 2nd overall. Luka, JJJ and Trae went 3/4/5
- Took GTJ 37th overall, but quickly traded him to Portland for two future 2nds (both nobodies)
**2017**
- Traded down from 10th overall, got 15th and 20th, drafted two complete nobodies. Donovan Mitchell went 13th, Bam 14th
**2016**
- Traded 8th overall for Bogdanovic, 13th and 28th, which they used to draft two complete nobodies. If they'd stayed at 8th, Poeltl went 9th and Sabonis 11th. Even trading down there was some good talent available, like Dejounte Murray went 29th (one after the nobody they picked at 28)
**2015**
- Took Willie Cauley-Stein 6th overall. Myles Turner went 11th, Devin Booker 13th, Rozier 16th
**2014**
- Took Nick Stauskas 8th overall. LaVine went 14th, Nurk 16th
**2013**
- Took Ben McLemore 7th overall. KCP went 8th, McCollum 10th, Steven Adams 12th, Olynyk 13th, Giannis 15th
**2012**
- Took Thomas Robinson 5th overall. Dame went 6th, Harrison Barnes 7th, Drummond 9th
**2011**
- Traded down from 7th (Biyombo) for 10th (Jimmer) + Salmons. Kemba went 9th, Klay 11th, Kawhi 15th, Vucevic 16th
I honestly don't think anyone will ever top this. They did manage to draft Fox, 5th overall in 2017, but that's really all they had to show from that 8 year run of high draft picks - nevermind stars, nobody else was even a quality rotation player.
Idk what ppl are talking about, The Process is one of the most successful rebuilding strategies in NBA history. The Process ended when Hinkie was fired but it resulted in by far the worst team in the NBA becoming perennial contenders, including drafting an MVP with the third pick.
I’ve already accepted the fact we just gonna be forever ass.. in a cycle of the best scenario being a Quasi C+ squad of being the best team in the play-in just to get knocked out Blow it up rebuild & repeat the cycle for the next 20 years
Not *every* other organizational decision. I mean yes we haven't had many good coaches or player development but have traded for/picked up/traded players to rebuild. For example:
Traded Westbrook and got: KCP, Harrell, Kuzma, Draft picks.
Traded Beal's NTC: Got Delon Wright, Draft picks, etc
Traded Chris Paul: Got draft picks, Poole, PBJ.
Signed Paul Pierce: Won us a playoff game
Got Gafford: Solid Depth/Decent starter
And plenty of other examples, of course those players may not be on the team anymore but there were pretty good examples of good organizational moves. But yes they have had problems.
Hornets drafted then traded away SGA, which is the second time they traded a perennial mvp candidate two way guard they drafted, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
And the Kobe trade was good. Hornets gm won executive of the year. They just ran into the bulls in the playoffs which is essentially the story of the 90’s hornets. Make good moves, have a good regular season record, play MJ in the 2nd round
I remember his crazy shooting splits during the tournament. It's still puzzling to get another 4 given that Kevin Love was the clear cut guy as their primary PF and they should've built the team around him. Especially during a time when tweeners were most likely to become busts.
It’s gonna be a pretty unpopular opinion, but what about the Spurs?
Outside of Wemby, their first round picks of late (when they’ve gotten to pick at a better draft position) have been Sochan (unimpressive and a reach at his draft position), Josh Primo (yikes), and Luka Saminic.
Coincidentally, they’ve drafted better at worse draft positions when drafting Derrick White and Dejounte Murray in the late first round.
Before drafting Luka, I swear my Mavs wasted like 13 years straight worth of picks lol. We hardly ever even actually drafted someone, most of the time we traded our picks for a fringe starter.
Fultz was the right pick at the time because we weren't sure if Ben Simmons could play the PG with his lack of a jumper. No one knew that he would lose his jumpshot and then be injury prone for the rest of his career.
Kinda the bucks too. Their first round picks are :
2014 : Jabari Parker
2015 : Rashad Vaughn
2016 : Thon Maker
2017 : DJ Wilson
2018 : Donte Divincenzo !!
2019 : KPJ ( traded one week after)
2020 RJ Hampton ( got traded a bit later too)
2022 : Marjon Beauchamp
The player with the highest time in the league is Jabari Parker with 7 years and he didn’t play in some of those years. The rest faded in 5 years and the only exception seems to be Donte ( way too early to judge Beauchamp)
Jabari was trending in the right direction until he blew his knees out.
Always amazed me how he was so explosive with the ball in hands, but had one of the worst cases of concrete shoes I've ever seen on D.
I agree. Dude had a lot of skill and just needed polish. Those knee injuries destroyed him and his athleticism was never the same, and he never polished his game either
Hard to judge a team for not hitting on late draft picks. Jabari was the 2nd pick, Thon was the 10th, everyone else was picked outside of the lottery. They managed to hit on Donte too, which isn't too bad. Plus, you are conveniently leaving out who they picked the year prior to Jabari, he turned out to be a pretty decent player lol
Bulls have not drafted well since Matt Lloyd left in 2012. Of the players you mentioned and everyone else they have picked, there has been one all star appearance and no All-NBA appearances for a bulls drafted player in the past 12 years….it has actually been worse since AK took over for GarPax.
National media gives Sixers a pass on their wasted picks these last few years in lottery…especially when one factors that Danny Ainge fleeced them by trading picks for Sixers to take Fultz over Brown.
I feel like I gotta say the Nets, as a long-suffering and now recovering Brooklyn fan.
In 10+ years of rooting for the team I saw them draft with their own pick maybe two or three times? And one of those picks was a Plumlee, so it doesn't even count.
And yet I've seen future Hall of Famers -- plural -- drafted to other teams with Nets picks: Damian Lillard, Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown.
Rooting for this team sucks.
Keep in mind that all teams screw up in the draft, not just your home team. You just follow your home team more closely and see the mistakes. They all do it. Some just get luckier than others or make an occasional smart move (Celtics trading down for Tatum and taking Sixers lunch money)
I think the real lesson to be learned here is that every fanbase can rattle off dozens of wasted draft picks. Thats kind of to be expected in a league where most teams only have 5-9 players who can even play.
This goes back more than ten years but the Wolves had a stretch of unbelievably bad picks that I don't think will ever be topped:
In 2008 the Timberwolves selected OJ Mayo the very next pick... Russell Westbrook
In 2009 they selected Jonny Flynn the very next pick... Steph Curry
In 2010 they selected Wesley Johnson the very next pick... Demarcus Cousins
In 2013 they selected Shabazz Muhamed the very next pick... Giannis
In 2014 they selected Glenn Robinson III the very next pick... Nikola Jokíc
I mean as a Knicks fan I think legit think nobody on our current roster was drafted by the Knicks. Idk if we’re anywhere near Phili-Detroit-Sacramento territory of drafts, but Kevin Knox has to deserve us some kind of humiliation.
Edit: checked and 2 players of our roster our homegrown - sims and Robinson. Rest are FA/trade or undrafted. Also never realized this but Kevin Knox was taken over both Jalen Brunson and Donte Divencenzo (alongside a lot of other good players)
Also deuce McBride was also drafted by us
Traded away our 2022 #11 pick to OKC and then #12 was Jalen Williams.
2021 we drafted #19 Kai Jones (traded to Hornets for nothing) and #21 Keon Johnson and traded for #25 Quentin Grimes. #27 was Cam Thomas.
2020 we drafted #8 Obi Toppin when we needed a PG. #12 Tyrese Haliburton was on the table.
At least they brilliantly managed to actually market a full on tank by calling it a ‘process’ and stringing along fans to wait for it to turn into success. Now what? The process is pairing dirty ass always injured Embiid with Paul freakin George so they can underachieve together?
Charlotte, Detroit, Washington. Other than their most recent hits (lamelo/brandon miller, bilal coulibaly which has shown promise but is still a question mark, and Cade/ausar) they’ve wasted about 10 years of drafts lol
Since 2010, the 76ers have had 9 lottery picks 2010 #2, Evan Turner, 2013 #6 Nerlens Noel, #11 Michael Carter Williams, 2014 #3 Joel Embiid , #10 E.Payton(traded for #12 Dario Saric + 1st rder. 2015 #3 Jahlil Okafor, 2016 #1 Ben Simmons 2017 #1 Markelle Fultz, 2018 #10 Mikal Bridges (who they traded for Zhaire Smith + 1st Rd pick). Of those 9 lottery picks, 5 being top 3 picks, Only Embiid (a great pick), + Simmons(a very good 3 years)before a disaster of a career since. Of the 76ers 9 lottery picks, there were 2 who are currently all star level players, Embiid+ Mikal Bridges, who they were fortunate enough to have him land in their lap at #10, but they traded the local kid, whose Mom worked for the 76ers, an hour after taking him for Zhaire Smith + a future 1st. Aside from the 9 lottery picks, they also had 10 more 1st Rd picks, and 35 2nd Rd picks, many which were just sold!!! The other #1s, Nik Vucevic(traded in Bynum deal), Moe Harkless, Dario Saric, Timothe Luwawu Cabaret, Furkan Korkmaz, Landry Shamet(traded in Tobias Harris deal), Ty Jerome(traded), Tyrese Maxey, Jaden Springer, & David Roddy(Traded draft night for D.Melton).. of those picks, Tyrese Maxey is the best player & only 1 still on the team ! And Of the 35 2nd Rd picks, 25 never played more than 30 games for the team , the players who did. L.Allen, KJ McDaniels ,
Jerami Grant, Richaun Holmes, Isiah Joe, Paul Reed, + Charles Bassey have made a niche in the NBA, and only Grant:Holmes, & Reed were able to do so while playing for the 76ers.
So, statistically, 9 lottery picks 3 good picks, 6 misses, 33%~10 other #1s- and Tyrese Maxey is a superstar, the rest of the players either ÷ dealt to soon, or didn't pan out, so 10% Of the 35 #2s, Grant, Holmes , Joe, & Bassey were dealt or cut and Reed is the only player left,
In essence, the 76ers benefitted from about 25% of the 10 lottery picks, 10%of the other 10 #1s, and about 25% of the 35 2nds
I mean, even though most FRP's were 28-30, our draft history doesn't look that bad.
Kevon Looney, Damion Jones, Jacob Evans, Jordan Poole, James Wiseman, Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody, Patrick Baldwin Jr and Brandin Podziemski.
Aside from Evans, Wiseman and maybe Baldwin Jr/Jones, the rest of these guys are actually good. 5/9 when ur picking with 28-30 most of the time isn't bad, compared to some other FO's.
The answer has to be the Nets, because their draft picks right now are currently leading a team to the finals while they miss the play in.. I think this year brown will have won more playoff games then the Nets as a franchise, and tatum is one more playoff run away from having more playoff wins than the nets franchise..
I wanna throw in a provocation, everyone is praising the Thunder and the job Presti has done in these last few years (rightfully so), but they made a lot of bad decisions as well in the last couple of years during the draft, they basically gave away for nothing guys like sengun, mcdaniels, quickley, mcbride and lively (who bullied them in the wcsf)
Charlotte Hornets. Lamelo is literally the only draft pick they’ve signed to a second contract in that time frame. It’s not that they always draft bad, they just don’t develop or believe in their players… see PJ Washington and the sixth man of the year runner up.
Detroit forsure, charlotte, lakers and 6ers are tied imo magic use to but now they are turning things around and Portland seems to adopting Detroits moto.
Yes, the sixers have squandered so many picks, but at least they're in the playoffs almost every year. So many franchises are laughable dumpster fires.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Draft order should be reversed...ie, apart from the teams in the championship, the team worst record should have the LAST pick, not the first!
For the purposes of this post, it will make it so that all of these #1 picks go to good, well managed teams, giving them the best opportunity to thrive as players. But here are all the benefits, as I see them:
- It will ensure that the best players have the opportunity to reach their greatest potential.
- It gives teams something to play for EVERY game of the season--no more tanking! Even in the NBA with the lottery system, the last 3rd or so of the season, plenty of teams just give up because they know they're not making the playoffs. It makes for a crap product, and is a great disservice to the fans.
- It prevents perennially terrible teams (Hornets, Pelicans, Browns, Twins, Jets, Skins etc) from being terrible for decades. How? Well, if a team is terrible for a long time, the problem is with the ownership and/or the front office. So, either the ownership fixes the front office, or the give up, and sell the team to someone who should be less terrible than they are. Think about how much better off teams like the Hornets, Browns, Washingtons, etc would be if their owners would've sold the teams years/decades ago!
- It rewards winning unlike any other incentive--especially in this era of "load management", it will get those top tier players off their rears for every game they can make it onto the court.
I mean say what you will about the Process, but a lot of the GM's took the near consensus best pick, or at least in the Fultz case they traded up to take a player with a skillset they thought they we're missing.
It's so easy to look back with hindsight now and be like "Oh I always knew Ben Simmons was never going to learn to shoot"... or "Oh I knew Markelle was just going to forget how to shoot" No you didn't.
A lot of GMs would've done nearly the same as the Sixer's especially when Embiid was starting to come into his own and they we're trying to build around him. The only period that really ruined the team is whatever the fuck Elton Brand/Brett Brown was fucking doing when they had temporary control. The Mikal Bridges is the most obvious fumble at the time and even now. Stuff like Tobi is still hindsight. He played better than Jimmy during the 2019 playoffs and the team was still behind Ben over Jimmy. No one knew Jimmy was about to be the playoff man for the next 4 year. No one.
Even larged collar twitter fuck wasn't too far off from reading the room at times as much as Sixer's fans hate him because Adam Silver forced him upon the team.
Is the question which team has passed or what team has wasted draft picks? Theirs two different debata going on. I think Philly wasted the most in 10 years.
I don’t think it’s the Knicks but just thinking on all the missed opportunities over the last decade or so.
Frank Ntilikina instead of Malik Monk or Donovan Mitchell
Kevin Knox and his Fortnite suit over guys like SGA, Mikal Bridges, or Michael Porter Jr.
Obi Toppin over Tyrese Maxey and Halliburton.
Knicks look like things are finally working out regardless. But damn, things could’ve clicked much sooner if they were just smarter with their picks.
its Philly and its not close in my opinion. Fultz, Okafor, Simmons, Evan Turner and MCW to name a few
they chose Luwawu Cabarrot with the 24th and Korkmaz with the 26th in the same year over guys like Siakam, Brogdon and Dejounte.
Traded the hometown kid Mikal bridges on draft day for Zhaire Smith..
soon Embiid gonna be on the list if he ends his career in philly without a ring
Knicks fan here and I hate to admit that the Knicks haven’t hit on a draft pick since Porzingis, and that barely counts. They tried to build around Melo his first two years, then unfortunately tears his ACL his lone all-star season, then we traded him while he was rehabbing. (Please don’t bring up Frank Ntlikina and Kevin Knox we know how bad that was) I liked both RJ Barrett and Obi Toppin coming out of college but they just could never put it together. Both of them are solid NBA players, but were not highly productive and consistent when they played for the Knicks
The Lakers for sure have failed in this department. If they just kept their picks and developed them, theyd have a good team regardless of LeBron. Theyre too big name focused because they feel the need to entertain their celebrities, but at the end of the day, winning is the only entertainment you need. And the Lakers refuse to develop talent, they just churn em out if they dont win and perpetuate the problem
After taking Booker 13th, the suns took Bender 4th, Chriss 8th, Josh Jackson 4th (over Fox), Ayton 1st (over Luka), Cam Johnson 11th (yay!), Jalen Smith 10th (over Vassell, Haliburton), and I can’t remember anyone who’s been drafted since then
The 2016 class wasn't the best but god damn...taking Bender and Chriss still haunts me. We missed Jamal Murray and Buddy Hield with the #4 pick, then Sabonis, Siakim and Brogdon all got picked after Chriss. Then we took No-Effort Ayton over Luka two years later. FML
The most inexplicable one to me was taking Jalen Smith with a plan to make him play PF. Awful, Haliburton was right there ready to learn from Chris Paul
And that one isn’t even bad in hindsight, it was bad in the moment too. There was so much confusion why they picked Smith
No it’s still taking Ayton over luka. The suns had Lukas European coach as their Head Coach and still didn’t pick him
No they didn’t. Sac did though and Vlade thought that Luka was too slow and couldn’t shoot, so he took Bagley at 2.
Dave Jaeger was the coach for the Kings during that draft. I think Igor Kokoškov was the Suns’ coach back then.
Siakim was picked 27 and Brogdon 36th no one was picking them 8th In fact if Siakim was picked 8th and had the pressure to contribute right away instead of develop in the Raps system he isn't who he is today. Post Chriss it's really just Poeltl and Sabonis and then not much for a while Bucks picking Maker over Sabonis is a real what if
Still remember the Mike Korzemba video on Thon
Brogdon and Siakim are definitely hindsight. Sabonis was in the range of the Chriss pick tho
Since Booker in 2015, the Suns have passed on 16 future All-Stars.
i know you're not saying this but that fox/booker/luka/haliburton back court would be legendary
Suns could have had Sabonis when they took Bender and Chriss
Still understandable they took Ayton from the perspective that they had spent so many picks on wings already and were barren at center. Kings on the other hand taking Bagley over Luka...
hahaha
Wow
At the time ayton was a no brainer y'all needed a big man and he went to Arizona and was a beast and you gotta remember at that time it wasn't looked at as smart to draft a euro guy top 3 American players were looked at as far superior to euro talent until Luka Giannis and joker broke out
Him going to Arizona is one of the stupidest justifications for a bad pick.
Insane take. It was absolutely not a no brainer. It was, though, an easy way to sort friends and analysts into "smart" and "dumb."
Wasn’t a no-brainer, but I understood the pick at least
Absolutely not a no brainer. Luka was #1 on like 90% of boards at the time. Everyone knew the Suns were making a mistake
Imagine being a hawks fan. Drafting Luka then trading him
But it was agreed to beforehand with the Mavs. Just like when the Bucks drafted Dirk for them.
They even had his coach or some shit. But Luka’s camp were being bitch asses tho. They were saying he wasn’t going to play for Sac, Memphis, ATL, etc. I’d have picked him anyway and called his bluff.
Whatever Detroit is doing. It's not working.
The last All-Star they drafted was Andre Drummond in 2012. Since then they have passed on 10 future All-Stars.
I believe that Isaiah Stewart was their first rookie extension since like 2008.
That’s actually insane. You’d think you would at least get some good role players worth keeping around. That’s like the Tampa buccaneers have never signed a qb they drafted to a second contract.
Also we didn't even draft him. He was drafted by portland. So doesn't even count
They’re on their hands and knees begging for actual draft picks
In what world are 5th picks not actual draft picks? In both of the previous drafts, there have been multiple players picked after Detroit's pick who have shown themselves as better than Ivey and ~~Duren~~ Ausar. At this point, they're just whining why they aren't being given consecutive no. 1 picks in drafts with a consensus "can't miss" best player.
Duren out here dropping 20/20s on the regular and still can't get love
I mixed Duren and Ausar up. My bad.
Andre Drummond did that too. Didn’t amount to actually winning games then either.
Amirite?!?!
" on the regular " that happened once
Duren was a hit for them, not a miss. You’re right about Ivey and some others tho. You clearly don’t watch duren if you think he was one of their mess ups, he was a 13th pick, not a 5th. He’s basically a bigger, better version of Bam at the same age. If his ceiling is something like Bam or a poor man’s Dwight Howard, that’s fantastic value at the 13th pick for an actual 18 year old.
As a Pistons fan who's subjected themselves to too many of these fucking games this year you are way off. Duren is Drummond 2.0. dude gives less than 0 effort on defense unless he's already in a position to block some guards layup. He has negative mobility on the perimeter for as athletic as he is. His offensive rebounding numbers were inflated by the whole team's inability to shoot leading to more misses. He never has position for rebounds, he just out athletics people to the ball. He checks every single box Drummond did down to the pouting if he hasn't gotten the ball on offense, wild drives with no plan that sometimes **somehow** work out, and a motor so inconsistent that you could ship it off in some Chinese shitbox car.
I mean he’s 19 years old and plays on the worst team in the league with literally 0 culture… I wouldn’t get carried away with negatives. Anyone that young who puts up those numbers with that level of raw talent is valuable. Kinda hard to imagine he’d be that passive on a Boston or Miami team that wouldn’t allow it. The pistons suck from top to bottom but getting someone with his potential and upside/youth at the 13th pick is a steal no matter what way you look at it. Getting Drummond with a 13th pick would be a steal.
I always think it’s funny when highlight and box score watchers comment on a player on a bad team that we all know they don’t watch. Always “well the team is bad” defense. Yea the team is bad partially bc their best big man is lazy and a bad individual defender
Mate, the Pistons have been garbage the better part of the last 15 l. I think the Pistons deserve more blame for how their sophomore plays than the Sophomore does for how trash their team is lol
I mean it’s not really about blame though. It doesn’t matter whose fault it is that Duren is not a winning player — the reality is that he just isn’t a winning player at the moment. Some of that’s on Detroit, some of that is on him, and I’m not really sure who is more to blame but it doesn’t really matter. Maybe you take him out of Detroit and get him in a org with solid culture and good coaching and he turns into a winning player. But he wouldn’t be one on Day 1 when he walks in.
Wow that is a perfect description of Duren so far. I’m hoping he can show more motor and defensive effort with a new coaching staff
If I’m on the pistons and I see everyone else not playing a lick of defense, why would I? Why would I rotate when my man is gonna be the dude left open? Plus I’m the center, just stay near the paint cause the guards and wings are gonna let their guy right into the paint anyway
Rebuilding through draft is like gambling..good luck to you, you will need it.
I remember everyone expecting them to take Hali and they took Killian. Outside of that I feel their draft picks have been solid. Cade obviously, Ivey and Duren were/are debatably more talented than anybody else below them sans Eason/Mathurin/Nembhard. Sekou was rough but nobody was even remotely close to a game-changer below him anyways, and then Bruce Brown and Kennard are the perfect role-player builds. It definitely comes down much more to them not having a consistent coach or identity as a team, and getting absolutely nothing from free agency or their trades. I’m in no position to talk about what’s going wrong there but I genuinely don’t think where they’re fucking up is in the draft
Its obviously easy to dog pile on the Pistons we deserve it, so Im not gonna argue with everyone here, but this is the correct take. Drafting is the only thing were doing right. We were essentially starting three 2nd year (Cade Ivey Duren) players and a rookie (Ausar). What did ppl exepct? They failed miserably at putting solid vets/players around our young guys, outside of Bogdanovic.
I saw a post recently on the Detroit sub noting that we need to upgrade our two biggest needs this off-season: Shooting and Defense. I mean, how does a GM have a job for half a decade and the end result is missing these two pretty fundamental qualities. I'm no mastermind but seems like two key factors on the scouting board.
“We need a way to get points and/or stop the other team from getting points.” -not the GM
Ausar is one of the best rookie defenders I have ever seen. His weakness is no offense. But, I agree, you're no mastermind
Right now he reminds me of Matisse Thybulle. He has potential to grow into a complete player though.
Not a bad comparison.
> we need to upgrade our two biggest needs this off-season: Shooting and Defense. Said every single team in the league.
Are they even trying at this point?
The Pistons had 8 former lottery picks under the age of 25 on their roster to start the 2023-24 season. It didn't turn out well.
I feel like the NBA would be radically different if they did the NFL’s draft. We’ve seen bottom feeders become legends (Pats)
I almost feel bad for them. Poor guys been the worst team in the league for as long as I’ve been a basketball fan and all these high draft picks they’re getting ain’t popping
So, you’ve been a basketball fan for 3 years.
I started being a fan during the bubble in 2020. So, almost 4😁
People forget when the wolves drafted 3 PGs in the curry draft and none of them were curry.
Johnny Flynn is a star what are you talking about
The misspelled name is telling.
Man I still love Jonny Flynn. But I’m a bit biased because he was like the first star I saw play at school.
At least they got Flynnsanity for a season. Wait was that him?
Clown the Flynn pick all you want but the 15 year olds on here will never know how sick Rubio was before the injuries
You had to be there, not picking rubio for dollar store ankles curry would've been wild. We have hindsight now but anyone would've picked Rubio then, had mfs declaring he was a prophet on that court
Dude was 17 playing in a gold medal Olympic game against the redeem team. And had been playing pro basketball since he was 14. Only reason he didn’t go top 3 was because no one knew how long it would take for him to come over to the NBA
Yeah the rubio pick wasnt bad at all but they couldve scrapped up curry with the other two picks lol
Honestly though picking rubio was like the luka pick... in a world where his skills dont translate and trae young becomes the definitive best shooter of all time
Maybe The Process is the draft picks we wasted along the way
They could have just built around Embiid and Jrue and would be in such a better spot
How though jrue was traded a year before embiid was even drafted
Hinkie died for that
This is people not actually knowing the history of the process
It's wild that Jrue and Embiid never even played a game together. The process sucks ass.
How is that wild? Holiday played his last game for the Sixers in April 2013 and Embiid played his first in October 2016. There were 3 and a half years in between. If you want context for how long that is, 3.5 years ago the Lakers had just beaten the Heat in the bubble playoffs The Sixers would have needed to have not traded Jrue, still somehow sucked enough to get a top 3 pick in the 2014 draft (not likely with Jrue) and then keep Jrue around for another two full seasons and offseasons. The chances of all that happening are slim
Shhhh don’t bring logic here…Sixers=incompetent morons remember?
As a Sixer fan, we’ve definitely looked like incompetent morons for most of the last decade. That said, Holiday and Embiid playing together is a crazy hypothetical. Like significantly crazier than if the Sixers drafted Tatum instead of Fultz
Now imagine naming yourself after it. Lol
Hand up 🙋🏻♂️
Oh yes, the process definitely sucked ass. After all, the process was finished and the Sixers weren't forced by the owners/the NBA to fire Hinkie and replace him with a senile Jerry and his dumbfuck son Bryan Collarslantelo. Though they doubled down making the dumbest front office decisions by hiring Brand later. But the process really ended in April 2016 Super late edit: just realised I wrote junkie instead of Hinkie lmao
We don’t get Embiid without being terrible because we traded Jrue…
lol your timeline makes no sense
Two #1 overalls that are basically bench pieces at best. Colangelo picking countless euros over nova guys who play in the same building. Hitting on none of them. Trading multiple 1s away for Tobi then maxing him and signing Horford. Getting Butler for just Dario/Roco then gifting him to a rival for JRich. The period between drafting Embiid and drafting Maxey has to be the worst run by a teams front office
Colangelo was a psy op
The process ended when the league forced hinkie to leave and appointed colangelo that clown and his regime wasted all of our assets on bench players, cash and tobias fucking harris
How do we rank: - Fultz/Tatum - Tobias trade and extension - Mikal Bridges vs. the guy that got a tracheostomy - Tobias/Simmons over Jimmy - Embiid/Horford double big, then having to dump Horford
Kings
Picking Marvin Bagley over both Luka and Trae Young was hilarious lol
They also: Could've picked Adebayo or Jarrett Allen in 2017. Picked Willie Caulie-Stein over Devin Booker in 2015. Picked Nick Staukas over Zach Lavine in 2014. Picked Thomas Robinson over Dame in 2012. Could've picked Klay and Kawhi in 2011.
It hurts being reminded of this
Let the pain soak in
Thomas Robinson seemed like a great pick at the time. But yeah they’ve had some terrible ones
I was not really high on Thomas Robinson. Felt like the pair of Jason Thompson and Patrick Patterson were enough to complement Boogie. I also felt like IT's ceiling was a 6th man scorer ala Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams. So might as well pick an NBA ready PG in Dame.
STAUSKAS?!?!
Most of those at the time weren't really regarded as terrible choices. They got Fox in 2017 and that's worked out well. Justin Jackson and Harry Giles didn't turn out, but Giles was a top prospect in HS worth taking a flyer on, and Jackson was an all-american and near 20ppg scorer in college at UNC. In retrospect, it wasn't great, but WCS was valued higher than Booker, who was extremely young iirc. Stauskas was a surprise, but LaVine had his own concerns as far as being anything more than a dunker. T-Rob was largely lauded as a great pick, Dame was kind of an unknown commodity and was also much much older. The question was whether he was just a senior beating up on single-bid conference opponents. They traded down and grabbed Jimmer, which was dubious at the time with folks comparing Fredette to someone like Adam Morrison - but they had Tyeke playing well and needed spacing. Kawhi couldn't shoot at all. Klay had concerns about his footspeed or strength to find a home at SG or SF. Was defensively kind of a tweeter.
Is*
Everyone knew Luka would be good too that was just a fumble on their part
This is the one. Their run of wasted picks from 2011-2018 is legendary: **2018** - Took Marvin Bagley 2nd overall. Luka, JJJ and Trae went 3/4/5 - Took GTJ 37th overall, but quickly traded him to Portland for two future 2nds (both nobodies) **2017** - Traded down from 10th overall, got 15th and 20th, drafted two complete nobodies. Donovan Mitchell went 13th, Bam 14th **2016** - Traded 8th overall for Bogdanovic, 13th and 28th, which they used to draft two complete nobodies. If they'd stayed at 8th, Poeltl went 9th and Sabonis 11th. Even trading down there was some good talent available, like Dejounte Murray went 29th (one after the nobody they picked at 28) **2015** - Took Willie Cauley-Stein 6th overall. Myles Turner went 11th, Devin Booker 13th, Rozier 16th **2014** - Took Nick Stauskas 8th overall. LaVine went 14th, Nurk 16th **2013** - Took Ben McLemore 7th overall. KCP went 8th, McCollum 10th, Steven Adams 12th, Olynyk 13th, Giannis 15th **2012** - Took Thomas Robinson 5th overall. Dame went 6th, Harrison Barnes 7th, Drummond 9th **2011** - Traded down from 7th (Biyombo) for 10th (Jimmer) + Salmons. Kemba went 9th, Klay 11th, Kawhi 15th, Vucevic 16th I honestly don't think anyone will ever top this. They did manage to draft Fox, 5th overall in 2017, but that's really all they had to show from that 8 year run of high draft picks - nevermind stars, nobody else was even a quality rotation player.
I’m a diehard and it’s very hard to argue.
Keegan Murray, Tyrese Haliburton, and Davion Mitchell the last 3 years wasn’t bad
Give us credit, we drafted Halliburton 😅
Spurs. Wemby should have 3 rings by now smh
Bum ass bust with 0 rings going into his 2^nd career year 🤦🏽♂️
McCaw would never
So true! They should trade him (to Dallas for nothing) and just blow it up already 🤦
He needs Help! Ghetto ass front office keep biding their time.
Jordan would have had 4 by year 2.
The pick they got for trading Fultz to Orlando was used on Maxey
I never knew that, good point
Idk what ppl are talking about, The Process is one of the most successful rebuilding strategies in NBA history. The Process ended when Hinkie was fired but it resulted in by far the worst team in the NBA becoming perennial contenders, including drafting an MVP with the third pick.
As a wizards fan imma say the wizards not even sure what the organization wants to do 🤣
I’ve already accepted the fact we just gonna be forever ass.. in a cycle of the best scenario being a Quasi C+ squad of being the best team in the play-in just to get knocked out Blow it up rebuild & repeat the cycle for the next 20 years
Idk we've had good draft picks, Deni, Kispert, etc
Porter, Beal, Wall. We just messed up every other organizational decision along the way.
Not *every* other organizational decision. I mean yes we haven't had many good coaches or player development but have traded for/picked up/traded players to rebuild. For example: Traded Westbrook and got: KCP, Harrell, Kuzma, Draft picks. Traded Beal's NTC: Got Delon Wright, Draft picks, etc Traded Chris Paul: Got draft picks, Poole, PBJ. Signed Paul Pierce: Won us a playoff game Got Gafford: Solid Depth/Decent starter And plenty of other examples, of course those players may not be on the team anymore but there were pretty good examples of good organizational moves. But yes they have had problems.
Hornets drafted then traded away SGA, which is the second time they traded a perennial mvp candidate two way guard they drafted, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
They picked SGA for the Clippers as part of a trade
Kobe’s never gonna play in Charlotte, his agent told(threatened) every team who tried to pick him before the Lakers.
And the Kobe trade was good. Hornets gm won executive of the year. They just ran into the bulls in the playoffs which is essentially the story of the 90’s hornets. Make good moves, have a good regular season record, play MJ in the 2nd round
The pick was already ours (Clippers) before the draft happened
Doofenshmirtz lmao
Detroit.
The Timberwolves before karl Anthony towns joined , the Kevin McHale and David Khan era
Picking Derrick Williams when they already had Kevin Love and Michael Beasley is still a head scratcher.
It was his NCAA tournament that boosted his stock. He looked incredible and I remember being crazy excited to watch him play. Woof.
I remember his crazy shooting splits during the tournament. It's still puzzling to get another 4 given that Kevin Love was the clear cut guy as their primary PF and they should've built the team around him. Especially during a time when tweeners were most likely to become busts.
It’s gonna be a pretty unpopular opinion, but what about the Spurs? Outside of Wemby, their first round picks of late (when they’ve gotten to pick at a better draft position) have been Sochan (unimpressive and a reach at his draft position), Josh Primo (yikes), and Luka Saminic. Coincidentally, they’ve drafted better at worse draft positions when drafting Derrick White and Dejounte Murray in the late first round.
Maybe very recently but they drafted guys like Vassell, Keldon, Lonnie, Slow Mo who have all been very serviceable players.
Before drafting Luka, I swear my Mavs wasted like 13 years straight worth of picks lol. We hardly ever even actually drafted someone, most of the time we traded our picks for a fringe starter.
Philly could’ve had Jayson Tatum lmao
Not really. Boston was always going to get JT. If philly showed any indication that they weren't gonna pick fultz, boston doesn't make the trade
Yes. There was zero revisionist history with this. Ainge discussed this at length immediately after the trade and the draft.
Fultz was the right pick at the time because we weren't sure if Ben Simmons could play the PG with his lack of a jumper. No one knew that he would lose his jumpshot and then be injury prone for the rest of his career.
Kinda the bucks too. Their first round picks are : 2014 : Jabari Parker 2015 : Rashad Vaughn 2016 : Thon Maker 2017 : DJ Wilson 2018 : Donte Divincenzo !! 2019 : KPJ ( traded one week after) 2020 RJ Hampton ( got traded a bit later too) 2022 : Marjon Beauchamp The player with the highest time in the league is Jabari Parker with 7 years and he didn’t play in some of those years. The rest faded in 5 years and the only exception seems to be Donte ( way too early to judge Beauchamp)
Jabari was trending in the right direction until he blew his knees out. Always amazed me how he was so explosive with the ball in hands, but had one of the worst cases of concrete shoes I've ever seen on D.
I agree. Dude had a lot of skill and just needed polish. Those knee injuries destroyed him and his athleticism was never the same, and he never polished his game either
Hard to judge a team for not hitting on late draft picks. Jabari was the 2nd pick, Thon was the 10th, everyone else was picked outside of the lottery. They managed to hit on Donte too, which isn't too bad. Plus, you are conveniently leaving out who they picked the year prior to Jabari, he turned out to be a pretty decent player lol
That DJ Wilson pick is especially bad considering a lot of people expected us to take OG Anunoby instead
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Bulls have not drafted well since Matt Lloyd left in 2012. Of the players you mentioned and everyone else they have picked, there has been one all star appearance and no All-NBA appearances for a bulls drafted player in the past 12 years….it has actually been worse since AK took over for GarPax.
Brooklyn gave them away
The Blazers are the king of this for all time not just the last decade
National media gives Sixers a pass on their wasted picks these last few years in lottery…especially when one factors that Danny Ainge fleeced them by trading picks for Sixers to take Fultz over Brown.
It was Fultz over Tatum. I think Brown was the Ben Simmons draft without googling.
It was
Pistons and 76ers both. As a Pistons fan, my vote goes to them.
I feel like I gotta say the Nets, as a long-suffering and now recovering Brooklyn fan. In 10+ years of rooting for the team I saw them draft with their own pick maybe two or three times? And one of those picks was a Plumlee, so it doesn't even count. And yet I've seen future Hall of Famers -- plural -- drafted to other teams with Nets picks: Damian Lillard, Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown. Rooting for this team sucks.
Keep in mind that all teams screw up in the draft, not just your home team. You just follow your home team more closely and see the mistakes. They all do it. Some just get luckier than others or make an occasional smart move (Celtics trading down for Tatum and taking Sixers lunch money)
I think the real lesson to be learned here is that every fanbase can rattle off dozens of wasted draft picks. Thats kind of to be expected in a league where most teams only have 5-9 players who can even play.
This goes back more than ten years but the Wolves had a stretch of unbelievably bad picks that I don't think will ever be topped: In 2008 the Timberwolves selected OJ Mayo the very next pick... Russell Westbrook In 2009 they selected Jonny Flynn the very next pick... Steph Curry In 2010 they selected Wesley Johnson the very next pick... Demarcus Cousins In 2013 they selected Shabazz Muhamed the very next pick... Giannis In 2014 they selected Glenn Robinson III the very next pick... Nikola Jokíc
I mean as a Knicks fan I think legit think nobody on our current roster was drafted by the Knicks. Idk if we’re anywhere near Phili-Detroit-Sacramento territory of drafts, but Kevin Knox has to deserve us some kind of humiliation. Edit: checked and 2 players of our roster our homegrown - sims and Robinson. Rest are FA/trade or undrafted. Also never realized this but Kevin Knox was taken over both Jalen Brunson and Donte Divencenzo (alongside a lot of other good players) Also deuce McBride was also drafted by us
Traded away our 2022 #11 pick to OKC and then #12 was Jalen Williams. 2021 we drafted #19 Kai Jones (traded to Hornets for nothing) and #21 Keon Johnson and traded for #25 Quentin Grimes. #27 was Cam Thomas. 2020 we drafted #8 Obi Toppin when we needed a PG. #12 Tyrese Haliburton was on the table.
Deuce McBride was drafted by us too
At least they brilliantly managed to actually market a full on tank by calling it a ‘process’ and stringing along fans to wait for it to turn into success. Now what? The process is pairing dirty ass always injured Embiid with Paul freakin George so they can underachieve together?
Charlotte Hornets
Charlotte, Detroit, Washington. Other than their most recent hits (lamelo/brandon miller, bilal coulibaly which has shown promise but is still a question mark, and Cade/ausar) they’ve wasted about 10 years of drafts lol
Since 2010, the 76ers have had 9 lottery picks 2010 #2, Evan Turner, 2013 #6 Nerlens Noel, #11 Michael Carter Williams, 2014 #3 Joel Embiid , #10 E.Payton(traded for #12 Dario Saric + 1st rder. 2015 #3 Jahlil Okafor, 2016 #1 Ben Simmons 2017 #1 Markelle Fultz, 2018 #10 Mikal Bridges (who they traded for Zhaire Smith + 1st Rd pick). Of those 9 lottery picks, 5 being top 3 picks, Only Embiid (a great pick), + Simmons(a very good 3 years)before a disaster of a career since. Of the 76ers 9 lottery picks, there were 2 who are currently all star level players, Embiid+ Mikal Bridges, who they were fortunate enough to have him land in their lap at #10, but they traded the local kid, whose Mom worked for the 76ers, an hour after taking him for Zhaire Smith + a future 1st. Aside from the 9 lottery picks, they also had 10 more 1st Rd picks, and 35 2nd Rd picks, many which were just sold!!! The other #1s, Nik Vucevic(traded in Bynum deal), Moe Harkless, Dario Saric, Timothe Luwawu Cabaret, Furkan Korkmaz, Landry Shamet(traded in Tobias Harris deal), Ty Jerome(traded), Tyrese Maxey, Jaden Springer, & David Roddy(Traded draft night for D.Melton).. of those picks, Tyrese Maxey is the best player & only 1 still on the team ! And Of the 35 2nd Rd picks, 25 never played more than 30 games for the team , the players who did. L.Allen, KJ McDaniels , Jerami Grant, Richaun Holmes, Isiah Joe, Paul Reed, + Charles Bassey have made a niche in the NBA, and only Grant:Holmes, & Reed were able to do so while playing for the 76ers. So, statistically, 9 lottery picks 3 good picks, 6 misses, 33%~10 other #1s- and Tyrese Maxey is a superstar, the rest of the players either ÷ dealt to soon, or didn't pan out, so 10% Of the 35 #2s, Grant, Holmes , Joe, & Bassey were dealt or cut and Reed is the only player left, In essence, the 76ers benefitted from about 25% of the 10 lottery picks, 10%of the other 10 #1s, and about 25% of the 35 2nds
The 76ers have wasted so many picks, many of them lottery picks, over the past 12 years
Warriors 2014-2024 picks are meh or unproven. They have been picking late in the draft though
I mean, even though most FRP's were 28-30, our draft history doesn't look that bad. Kevon Looney, Damion Jones, Jacob Evans, Jordan Poole, James Wiseman, Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody, Patrick Baldwin Jr and Brandin Podziemski. Aside from Evans, Wiseman and maybe Baldwin Jr/Jones, the rest of these guys are actually good. 5/9 when ur picking with 28-30 most of the time isn't bad, compared to some other FO's.
Easily sixers they were top 10 for YEARS with multiple top 5's and all the have to show for it is embiid Hornets and kings 2&3
Gotta be sixers just on volume
I can't quite put my finger on it, but if it weren't for the shoulder tape, you could tell me this pic of Fultz was from 1996
The answer has to be the Nets, because their draft picks right now are currently leading a team to the finals while they miss the play in.. I think this year brown will have won more playoff games then the Nets as a franchise, and tatum is one more playoff run away from having more playoff wins than the nets franchise..
I wanna throw in a provocation, everyone is praising the Thunder and the job Presti has done in these last few years (rightfully so), but they made a lot of bad decisions as well in the last couple of years during the draft, they basically gave away for nothing guys like sengun, mcdaniels, quickley, mcbride and lively (who bullied them in the wcsf)
Charlotte Hornets. Lamelo is literally the only draft pick they’ve signed to a second contract in that time frame. It’s not that they always draft bad, they just don’t develop or believe in their players… see PJ Washington and the sixth man of the year runner up.
Idk but the team that's wasted the least draft picks is definitely the Nets. Can't waste draft picks if you don't have them in the first place
Detroit forsure, charlotte, lakers and 6ers are tied imo magic use to but now they are turning things around and Portland seems to adopting Detroits moto.
Hornets between Kemba and ~~Bridges~~ ~~LaMelo~~ Brandon Miller
Pistons
As a Celtics fan, all I can say is thank you Nets and 76ers. We wouldn't be here without you.
Hornets, Pistons, 76ers
Detroit, Washington, Charlotte, take your pick
Orlando loves to draft and develop superstars before trading them for retirees
Pistons, other than Cade, Duren, Ivey, Ausar, idk what we been doing 😭😭
The Kings. They were consistently striking out despite having sub 5 draft picks. This is the team that literally drafted Bagley over Luka. Lol
Charlotte and Detroit
Wizards, Pistons, Bulls
Yes, the sixers have squandered so many picks, but at least they're in the playoffs almost every year. So many franchises are laughable dumpster fires.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Draft order should be reversed...ie, apart from the teams in the championship, the team worst record should have the LAST pick, not the first! For the purposes of this post, it will make it so that all of these #1 picks go to good, well managed teams, giving them the best opportunity to thrive as players. But here are all the benefits, as I see them: - It will ensure that the best players have the opportunity to reach their greatest potential. - It gives teams something to play for EVERY game of the season--no more tanking! Even in the NBA with the lottery system, the last 3rd or so of the season, plenty of teams just give up because they know they're not making the playoffs. It makes for a crap product, and is a great disservice to the fans. - It prevents perennially terrible teams (Hornets, Pelicans, Browns, Twins, Jets, Skins etc) from being terrible for decades. How? Well, if a team is terrible for a long time, the problem is with the ownership and/or the front office. So, either the ownership fixes the front office, or the give up, and sell the team to someone who should be less terrible than they are. Think about how much better off teams like the Hornets, Browns, Washingtons, etc would be if their owners would've sold the teams years/decades ago! - It rewards winning unlike any other incentive--especially in this era of "load management", it will get those top tier players off their rears for every game they can make it onto the court.
Sixers
As a pistons fan, I will say the pistons
The teail blazers have passed on so many good players and taken people like Caleb swannigan or Zach Collins in the 1st round smh
If you're answer isn't the Utah jazz then you're wrong lol
Kings drafted Marvin Bagley.
I mean say what you will about the Process, but a lot of the GM's took the near consensus best pick, or at least in the Fultz case they traded up to take a player with a skillset they thought they we're missing. It's so easy to look back with hindsight now and be like "Oh I always knew Ben Simmons was never going to learn to shoot"... or "Oh I knew Markelle was just going to forget how to shoot" No you didn't. A lot of GMs would've done nearly the same as the Sixer's especially when Embiid was starting to come into his own and they we're trying to build around him. The only period that really ruined the team is whatever the fuck Elton Brand/Brett Brown was fucking doing when they had temporary control. The Mikal Bridges is the most obvious fumble at the time and even now. Stuff like Tobi is still hindsight. He played better than Jimmy during the 2019 playoffs and the team was still behind Ben over Jimmy. No one knew Jimmy was about to be the playoff man for the next 4 year. No one. Even larged collar twitter fuck wasn't too far off from reading the room at times as much as Sixer's fans hate him because Adam Silver forced him upon the team.
Is the question which team has passed or what team has wasted draft picks? Theirs two different debata going on. I think Philly wasted the most in 10 years.
Knicks: Frank Ntkilina over Bam and Donovan Mitchell. Kevin Knox over SGA. Obbi Toppin over Tyrese.
I don’t think it’s the Knicks but just thinking on all the missed opportunities over the last decade or so. Frank Ntilikina instead of Malik Monk or Donovan Mitchell Kevin Knox and his Fortnite suit over guys like SGA, Mikal Bridges, or Michael Porter Jr. Obi Toppin over Tyrese Maxey and Halliburton. Knicks look like things are finally working out regardless. But damn, things could’ve clicked much sooner if they were just smarter with their picks.
Nets don’t know how to nba
76ers and Suns come to mind. Detroit too maybe.
its Philly and its not close in my opinion. Fultz, Okafor, Simmons, Evan Turner and MCW to name a few they chose Luwawu Cabarrot with the 24th and Korkmaz with the 26th in the same year over guys like Siakam, Brogdon and Dejounte. Traded the hometown kid Mikal bridges on draft day for Zhaire Smith.. soon Embiid gonna be on the list if he ends his career in philly without a ring
Knicks fan here and I hate to admit that the Knicks haven’t hit on a draft pick since Porzingis, and that barely counts. They tried to build around Melo his first two years, then unfortunately tears his ACL his lone all-star season, then we traded him while he was rehabbing. (Please don’t bring up Frank Ntlikina and Kevin Knox we know how bad that was) I liked both RJ Barrett and Obi Toppin coming out of college but they just could never put it together. Both of them are solid NBA players, but were not highly productive and consistent when they played for the Knicks
The Nets
I would argue the nets when they traded them for James Harden
The answer is the Edmonton oilers
The Lakers for sure have failed in this department. If they just kept their picks and developed them, theyd have a good team regardless of LeBron. Theyre too big name focused because they feel the need to entertain their celebrities, but at the end of the day, winning is the only entertainment you need. And the Lakers refuse to develop talent, they just churn em out if they dont win and perpetuate the problem
Bulls
The Jacksonville Jaguars.