this. the ammount of posts on so many gun related subs that are like "yeah this company/store/range treated me like shit, delayed my suppressor on purpose, called me a liar to my face, kicked me out, and told the atf where my dog sleeps. not gonna name them out of respect tho." are too fuckin high.
like ok thanks, guess ill just roll the dice every time i go to a store near the area OP mentioned.
I bought 4 cans from a local shop with an indoor range. They do allow conjugal visits - but I resisted. I tried my best to just forget about it/them. lol
range usa near me isn't bad, but i wouldn't trust them with nfa items. i did my prints there but had my polonium 30 sent to another range that allows conjugal visits and have staff that's knowledgeable about the process.
i'll prob keep going to range usa with it only being a 10 minute drive. its a little more than the other range, but its the easiest one to meet with friends.
hopefully i can let you know better this weekend. last week was a busy week and i should be able to find time to make it up there this saturday to try it out.
https://rangeusa.com/range-rules
Just a few that stand out to me. I get it, corpo has to play to the lowest IQ. But I'm not an idiot, and I wanna work quality reps.
-No work from a holster
-No instructing others on range unless you're a certified Range USA instructor
-No food/drink on range
-No rapid fire.
All the ranges near me basically have the same rules unless yo use the MG friendly lane. One won't even let you take pictures.
But rangeusa does allow steel case, which no other range here allows. Their membership is also the cheapest if you don't go on weekends.
Not allowing steel case is such a dumb rule. It just shows how lazy these range owners are that they cant use a magnet to sort cases.
Funny enough one range i went to the guy thought the "no steel case" rule was to protect to rear wall because steel will damage it. He didnt know the difference between case and steel core i guess.
Most steel case also has a steel jacket, which can be a fire hazard. Steel jackets are much more like to spark when someone shoots the wall, ceiling, or floor. Some ranges use backstops made from recycled tires which can have steel in it. That can cause sparking too. It's not a huge issue, but it definitely is an issue. It's easier to just say "no steel case" since steel cases can be identified visually.
It's been a while since I shot at rangeUSA, but the last one I frequented had no issues with aluminum. If they cared about sorting cases they'd only allow brass.
I love this because I used to be an instructor at Range USA back in 2019 when it was Shoot Point Blank and had to get my NRA cert to instruct, etc. afterwards they opened an in house course for their own ranges and from what I’ve heard by buddies in the grapevine that in house course was not too great
No instructing? Thats wild. You take your buddy to try a firearm for the 1st time, and no instruction? I would assume this is a policy meant for people giving a paid lesson.
Bingo. This is a pretty common rule. Partially liability from unvetedinstructors, and partially not wanting to lose the business to their own instructors.
I’ve never seen that rule to prohibit guiding a newer shooter.
I’ll never buy from them. I moved to the Midwest from the UK in 2016 and they wouldn’t even let me shoot at the range because I wasn’t a citizen.
Glad you got your can OP!
Yep. The even more crazy thing is that it was one of my American relatives that wanted to give me my first range experience and they brought their own firearms.. I wasn’t even trying to rent anything lol.
>I moved to the Midwest from the UK in 2016 and they wouldn’t even let me shoot at the range because I wasn’t a citizen.
Were you in the US on a non-immigrant visa?
I was a permanent resident aka greencard holder. To make it even more weird, I was there with a family member who is a citizen and was born here. It was going to be my first range experience.
The counter guys were fine at first and only had an issue when they heard me speak and realized I had an accent.
Visitors here on non-immigrant visas are federally prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition, just like felons.
There are exceptions, like having a hunting license.
Yes, quite, did you even read that page?
The number of FFLs who really don't know firearms law is disturbing.
Try reading it again. Grasp the difference between "Possession," "Purchase," and "Ownership."
Let me help: If I hand a felon a firearm at the range and supervise him, he is IN POSSESSION and violating the law.
If I hand a legal visitor/foreigner/alien a firearm at the range and supervise him, he is IN POSSESSION and perfectly legal.
Depending on his visa status he may not be able to purchase, own, and remove from the premises.
I assure you, when we first moved here, on a temporary visa, my father owned firearms, both brought with us, and purchased in the US.
>Let me help: If I hand a felon a firearm at the range and supervise him, he is IN POSSESSION and violating the law.
>If I hand a legal visitor/foreigner/alien a firearm at the range and supervise him, he is IN POSSESSION and perfectly legal.
The prohibition for felons and non-immigrant visa holders is the exact same. It's literally a list of groups of people, and then the prohibition. Both groups of people, felons (18 USC 922(g)(1)) and non-immigrant visa holders (18 USC 922(g)(5)(B)), are in that list. Neither can be in POSSESSION of firearms or ammunition.
>I assure you, when we first moved here, on a temporary visa, my father owned firearms, both brought with us, and purchased in the US.
If it was an immigrant visa, or if you came in from a country we have a visa waiver with, the prohibition doesn't apply. If he had a hunting license or a waiver from ATF, it also doesn't apply. Either that, or your father lied on the 4473.
This is correct. I bought many guns from FFLs on my previous non-immigrant visa, before I had my greencard. I always had a hunting license. I am probably a household name among the folks at the Alaska DNR...the guy who bought like a dozen hunting licenses and never set foot in the state :) They were the cheapest in the country, and valid all year round.
> They were the cheapest in the country, and valid all year round.
This is actually useful information. I suggest the short term license here in AZ for people.
I worked at range USA. I wouldn't ever want an NFA item held there, we used a file cabinet with a broken lock to hold all the suppressors.
As a company they don't give a shit about second amendment rights and are really only around for the money. As an ex employee I wont give them my money and I know the sentiment is the same among many of my other ex co workers.
What tha actual fuck??
If a person is a legal permanent resident, he/she can legally own a firearm, NFA items make no difference.
The fact that the ATF approved it, should have been the proof that you are not a prohibited person.
These guys don’t know what they are talking about. Good to know because I will not do any business with them even though they are opening a range close by.
>If a person is a legal permanent resident, he/she can legally own a firearm, NFA items make no difference.
You don't even need to be a legal permanent resident.
Never heard of these bitches before but will 100% never do business with them in the future and will tell everyone I know these bitches infringe. Hope they go under yesterday.
I used to work for Range USA. I hate them. I’d go on a rant, but here’s a TLDR: don’t give them your money, they’re an immoral greedy company.
They’re corporate as fuck.
Their founder/president is a fudd and a fisherman who founded the company out of spite after buying a gun and having to wait to shoot it at an indoor range.
They won’t let you carry your gun at work unless you have a CCW permit and they have a copy of it on file.
Range rules are stupid and strict (because they’ll let literally anyone on the range). Safety complaints fall of dead managers ears.
They if you’re involved in a “critical incident” aka someone kills or shoots themselves, they’ll offer you the option to come in to their camera monitored class rooms, to use their computer, to talk to a “counselor” over Microsoft teams, on their account. Then they’ll cut your hours and not work with your availability until you want to quit.
They do not change out their air filters very often.
They only care about making sales goals, nothing else.
They pay $10/hour to FULL TIME sales associates. With annual raises that are usually in the 2-5%. They offer benefits that will take HALF your paycheck. You get 5% commission on anything you make AFTER hitting your sales goal. You don’t see anything unless you hit that goal. Usually it’s an extra $30-50 at the most, maybe $100 on a good week.
>only to find out that they had known about this policy of Range USA all along and said nothing.
If this is true, /u/silencershop needs to drop them. That is inexcusable.
Sucks you had to go through that, but glad you got your can.
Range USA can kick rocks. I’ve had so many unnecessary problems with them. I’ve purchased a lot of firearms from them and used them for numerous NFA items. Last time I was there I told them I’d never step foot in there again.
Not personally a fan of them either. Have had bad experiences with employees being rude as shit at our local one..I took a LTC class before they changed names and it was a solid establishment but when it changed over to Range USA it went to complete shit. I have learned find a good local shop/guy that's a FFL and stick with them and keep the little guys fed and in business. FUCK the big name stores.
Range USA is responsible for my 17 month wait for my suppressor. Still waiting...they got the first eform4 rejected by not filling out their dealer name correctly. Their response was basically, tough we've had some go through that way and some get rejected. No apology, no offer, just pound sand and refile.
I had SO many issues with them with my suppressor (and I got lucky... More below).
When my form 4 was mailed and delivered (paper form 4) I called them to confirm it was ready. The guy on the phone didn't feel like checking so he just kept saying "we'll call you, it could be months before your suppressor is ready" and wouldn't let me explain to him that the ATF has mailed the form 4 already almost 2 weeks prior to this conversation and that he needs to check for me. He ended up hanging up on me and I had to complain to their corporate who get back to me the next day telling me my suppressor is ready to be picked up 🙄. Then I go to pick it up and there's a few people there also picking up suppressors. But apparently their new NFA guy put "Range USA" on their Eforms instead of his actual legal name, and ALL of these people got DENIED because of Range USA's bullshit. I was at least able to get my suppressor and never return, sucks for those people being stuck with range USA's bullshit
As a Noblesville resident, thank you for naming. I'll stick to hoosier armory, crossroads armory, and bare arms. I am lucky to have private land to be able to shoot on, but NFA items won't be going thru range USA. Scathing review inbound.
They're all the same. Knoxville effed up my Form 4 so i had to wait twice.
Now I only use Tennessee Silencer.
I did the membership for a free class I needed to get CCW after moving to the state ( free after 3 months membership).
Some gun prices are quite competitive with the membership discount. That said I've never shot there.
This is why, as a small home-based FFL07/SOT2, I just keep getting more and more individual customers who want a positive experience. Every single one of them tells me a story about one of the big local shops dicking them around.
I’ve never had a good experience a good experience with Range USA. There’s a reason they re branded themselves from “Point Blank” to Range USA”…officially they will tell you it’s a friendlier, more welcoming name when in fact it’s to escape all the horrible reviews and prior associations people have made with them in the past as they continue to build and expand.
Our local Range USA seems staffed with people wholly uninterested in the industry they’re serving. Definitely will never do business with them again.
The first place I went after having my MG approved was Point Blank (Range USA) that was 5 minutes from me and they told me that they no longer allow MG’s to be shot there because some cop shot up their ceiling with one. Haven’t been back since.
Range USA is a nice, clean range but always the most picky with ranger officers constantly watching. If two people shoot at the same time, they often think somebody is rapid firing which they don’t allow lol.
Range USA is great for beginners who don’t have a lot of experience or are just getting into the firearms world. But for any real fun or training it is severely lacking due to their fudd range rules.
I'm not so sure it's a good place for beginners now that you mention it. This is a totally unrelated story, but I feel I probably should have posted it before:
one time, before all this crap, I rented a Glock 26 there. When I got to the range, it wouldn't chamber a round. After a quick inspection it became clear that there was a round stuck in the chamber. Luckily for me it was far back enough that the new round wouldn't go in enough to allow the gun the lock up. That's what saved me.
When I told them, they said "oh we're supposed to check the barrels for obstructions when we take them back, sorry about that. But in all the times I was there since then, I saw many rental guns being handed back, and I never once saw anyone check the bores. So I don't think it's a very safe place to shoot for beginners honestly.
This is what I was worried about. I seriously can't work from a holster or instruct anyone else unless I have proper certs?
It does say RSO has final say, so maybe my new store will be chill. But I'm not holding my breath.
The no drawing from a holster is the rule at every range here in South Florida.
Revere Range in Pompano is the only one allowing it to anyone, but you have to use a certain lane with a half door.
Apex and Nexus allow it after you pay for a session with an instructor.
That’s it
I always use the rangeUSA by me to do my suppressor stuff through silencershop. All the people are nice and helpful. As for the actual range, I’ve never used it.
Your positive experience is one of a SS kiosk sale, not of a RangeUSA sale. I mean, they can still fuck it up, but SS makes it practically impossible unless the dealer actively tries to fuck it up.
Range USA near me is actually pretty great (as a range, not a store). They're the only indoor range that lets you shoot steel case. They never actually inspect ammo. They allow 2 per lane. Good ROs and overall pretty chill.
In comparison, blackwing is the "pros" choice but they're super uptight. Always inspect ammo and no steel case (told me my tula 7.62x39 would start a fire even tho not steel core), hold IDs hostage, expensive, and holier than you attitude from the ROs.
With that said 100% agree I would avoid range usa for NFA. Glad you got your can OP
Yeah their range was the best I found in my area too. There's a great local place that has no issues with selling to me, and allows visits, but unfortunately their range blows by comparison. I have to use their rifle ammo and have to use designated rifle lanes, which makes it almost useless to me. I have a couple of cans in jail with them and I'll keep buying from them but I need to find a better range.
At Range USA I could use any ammo, any caliber in any lane. But it's not worth it after this, I could never go there. I actually have a couple of weeks left on my membership and a few bucks on a gift card I won there in a competition but I don't think I can bring myself to use them.
I usually go to Blackwing (OH) and did all my Suppressors through them. They never give me too much hassle and mid week early morning it's not uncommon to be the only one in the rifle range.
I need a good outdoor range though. The state ranges are no NFA items and the 3 seconds between shots is mind numbing unless you're out there to dial in a bolt gun. At least they're dirt cheap and allow drinks and steel ammo.
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I recently bought a cheap 1911 from them because it was on sale. Didn't look at it too much in the store (my mistake and lesson learned) before taking it home because it's just a 1911. Got home to find out it wasn't working right, and the hammer was following the slide. Thought a thorough cleaning would fix it, and it seemed to, but got to the range and the problem came back. Handed it to the RSO and the dude ended up NDing into the ceiling. Talked to the store manager and he told me I needed to contact the manufacturer so after dealing with them I returned to Range USA with an RMA ready to ship it back and they told me they don't ship firearms and I'd have to find somewhere else. After their refusal to assist me with the faulty firearm they sold me, I haven't been back. Found a great local place 40 minutes from me and couldn't be happier.
Range USA is trash. They're the planet fitness of ranges except they're overpriced for what they are. RO gets on for doing double/triple taps but nothing to the guy next to me trying to fix a stove pipe with his finger on the trigger. They don't even allow conjugal visits
They're not near me, but since I'm a naturalized citizen, it's good to know in case they decide to change the definition of "US Citizen" for their "Policy."
Just check the box for citizen and you're good. ATF doesn't make a distinction
But then again, ATF also gives dealers guidance that if something feels fishy it's perfectly ok to refuse to complete a transaction.
I have a feeling you'd have trouble at RangeUSA if you have an accent and get the wrong Bubba behind the counter
I know I’m probably the outlier here but my local Range USA is great. The employees are friendly and their range is one of the better ones in my area. I can’t speak on any NFA items or firearms purchases per say, but using their range is fine for me. They recently had a 50% off sale on Hornady defensive ammo which i bought about $150 worth and they had to scan my ID for the purchase, which I thought was kind of weird. Other than that I have had good experiences with them. Like i mentioned though, very small sample size from my experience.
There was a range by me in Merrillville indiana called shoot point blank. A woman got killed there and it was real hush hush. Then they changed the name of the range to range usa. Always wondered what went down there.
I’ve never seen anything at Range USA that I couldn’t get cheaper somewhere else. Their knowledge base is trash, and the good experiences I’ve had have been far in the minority. I had a membership because of proximity, canceled it after about two months because of fudds. “Double taps count as RAPID FIRE”. So dumb.
I saw the frustration from your original post. Hello from a fellow Midwesterner near the bulk of Range USA locations. I have a friend in their cooperate office I could have made a call to had you name dropped. Do you mind me asking which location?
I'm not the biggest fan of them, I was a bit annoyed the time they ID'd me to purchase a simple pistol grip replacement.
Thanks for naming and shaming.
Right? Finally someone actually named and shamed.
this. the ammount of posts on so many gun related subs that are like "yeah this company/store/range treated me like shit, delayed my suppressor on purpose, called me a liar to my face, kicked me out, and told the atf where my dog sleeps. not gonna name them out of respect tho." are too fuckin high. like ok thanks, guess ill just roll the dice every time i go to a store near the area OP mentioned.
We got enough hoops to jump through, a shit dealer causing more problems should be put on blast.
There's a Range USA opening near me soon. I was excited for a range closer to home, but then I looked at their "rules".
They seemingly dont allow conjugals, so whats the point
I bought 4 cans from a local shop with an indoor range. They do allow conjugal visits - but I resisted. I tried my best to just forget about it/them. lol
I had over 2000 rounds through my can when it finally cleared
Chad.
It was a Dead Air đź—ż Nomad-30 is a decent can though.
That would be 100% a turn around for me
range usa near me isn't bad, but i wouldn't trust them with nfa items. i did my prints there but had my polonium 30 sent to another range that allows conjugal visits and have staff that's knowledgeable about the process. i'll prob keep going to range usa with it only being a 10 minute drive. its a little more than the other range, but its the easiest one to meet with friends.
How do you like your polonium? I'm looking at one.
hopefully i can let you know better this weekend. last week was a busy week and i should be able to find time to make it up there this saturday to try it out.
What’s the story with their range rules? Never shot there.
https://rangeusa.com/range-rules Just a few that stand out to me. I get it, corpo has to play to the lowest IQ. But I'm not an idiot, and I wanna work quality reps. -No work from a holster -No instructing others on range unless you're a certified Range USA instructor -No food/drink on range -No rapid fire.
Pretty sure no food/drink is at all ranges. The rest have been common at many of the ranges I have been to, though I do agree it's lame.
I've never seen "no instructing others unless you're certified". I bring new shooters regularly to spread the word about the 2A gospel.
I think it means nothing formal like paid instructing. I doubt they'll kick a father out for showing their kids how to shoot..
True. I glanced over that one while looking at the others.
I’ve never been to a range other than Gander that banned drinks. Most even allow snacks like candy bars
All the ranges near me basically have the same rules unless yo use the MG friendly lane. One won't even let you take pictures. But rangeusa does allow steel case, which no other range here allows. Their membership is also the cheapest if you don't go on weekends.
Not allowing steel case is such a dumb rule. It just shows how lazy these range owners are that they cant use a magnet to sort cases. Funny enough one range i went to the guy thought the "no steel case" rule was to protect to rear wall because steel will damage it. He didnt know the difference between case and steel core i guess.
Most steel case also has a steel jacket, which can be a fire hazard. Steel jackets are much more like to spark when someone shoots the wall, ceiling, or floor. Some ranges use backstops made from recycled tires which can have steel in it. That can cause sparking too. It's not a huge issue, but it definitely is an issue. It's easier to just say "no steel case" since steel cases can be identified visually. It's been a while since I shot at rangeUSA, but the last one I frequented had no issues with aluminum. If they cared about sorting cases they'd only allow brass.
Certified Range USA instructor AKA was a desk jockey cop/mil guy who has less experience shooting than most 12 year olds from Texas.
I love this because I used to be an instructor at Range USA back in 2019 when it was Shoot Point Blank and had to get my NRA cert to instruct, etc. afterwards they opened an in house course for their own ranges and from what I’ve heard by buddies in the grapevine that in house course was not too great
This is why indoor ranges suck and i swore them off years ago. I drive an hour to an outdoor range that i can rent a bay from and do what ever i want.
No instructing? Thats wild. You take your buddy to try a firearm for the 1st time, and no instruction? I would assume this is a policy meant for people giving a paid lesson.
Bingo. This is a pretty common rule. Partially liability from unvetedinstructors, and partially not wanting to lose the business to their own instructors. I’ve never seen that rule to prohibit guiding a newer shooter.
If that new range happens to be the new one in Minnesota, there are a few good alternative options, a few of which are outdoor.
Fuck those people, glad you are able to flex your rights as a resident. Have fun with your new can and thanks for letting us know!
Already had a low opinion of Range USA. This just re-inforces it.
I’ll never buy from them. I moved to the Midwest from the UK in 2016 and they wouldn’t even let me shoot at the range because I wasn’t a citizen. Glad you got your can OP!
That is crazy.
Yep. The even more crazy thing is that it was one of my American relatives that wanted to give me my first range experience and they brought their own firearms.. I wasn’t even trying to rent anything lol.
That's fuckin ridiculous I've never heard anything like that before
>I moved to the Midwest from the UK in 2016 and they wouldn’t even let me shoot at the range because I wasn’t a citizen. Were you in the US on a non-immigrant visa?
I was a permanent resident aka greencard holder. To make it even more weird, I was there with a family member who is a citizen and was born here. It was going to be my first range experience. The counter guys were fine at first and only had an issue when they heard me speak and realized I had an accent.
Well, sounds like they were ignorant assholes.
Out of curiosity, why would that matter?
Visitors here on non-immigrant visas are federally prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition, just like felons. There are exceptions, like having a hunting license.
Weird, never was aware of that being a thing when I worked at a range in CA. 30% of our traffic was tourists and foreigners.
Not quite. [https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/nonimmigrant-aliens](https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/nonimmigrant-aliens)
Yes, quite. Did you even read that page? They 100% ARE prohibited, unless they fall into an exception, which is what that page covers.
Yes, quite, did you even read that page? The number of FFLs who really don't know firearms law is disturbing. Try reading it again. Grasp the difference between "Possession," "Purchase," and "Ownership." Let me help: If I hand a felon a firearm at the range and supervise him, he is IN POSSESSION and violating the law. If I hand a legal visitor/foreigner/alien a firearm at the range and supervise him, he is IN POSSESSION and perfectly legal. Depending on his visa status he may not be able to purchase, own, and remove from the premises. I assure you, when we first moved here, on a temporary visa, my father owned firearms, both brought with us, and purchased in the US.
>Let me help: If I hand a felon a firearm at the range and supervise him, he is IN POSSESSION and violating the law. >If I hand a legal visitor/foreigner/alien a firearm at the range and supervise him, he is IN POSSESSION and perfectly legal. The prohibition for felons and non-immigrant visa holders is the exact same. It's literally a list of groups of people, and then the prohibition. Both groups of people, felons (18 USC 922(g)(1)) and non-immigrant visa holders (18 USC 922(g)(5)(B)), are in that list. Neither can be in POSSESSION of firearms or ammunition. >I assure you, when we first moved here, on a temporary visa, my father owned firearms, both brought with us, and purchased in the US. If it was an immigrant visa, or if you came in from a country we have a visa waiver with, the prohibition doesn't apply. If he had a hunting license or a waiver from ATF, it also doesn't apply. Either that, or your father lied on the 4473.
This is correct. I bought many guns from FFLs on my previous non-immigrant visa, before I had my greencard. I always had a hunting license. I am probably a household name among the folks at the Alaska DNR...the guy who bought like a dozen hunting licenses and never set foot in the state :) They were the cheapest in the country, and valid all year round.
> They were the cheapest in the country, and valid all year round. This is actually useful information. I suggest the short term license here in AZ for people.
Range USA is the SCCY of gun stores.
Savage.
Im happy for you buddy
I worked at range USA. I wouldn't ever want an NFA item held there, we used a file cabinet with a broken lock to hold all the suppressors. As a company they don't give a shit about second amendment rights and are really only around for the money. As an ex employee I wont give them my money and I know the sentiment is the same among many of my other ex co workers.
What tha actual fuck?? If a person is a legal permanent resident, he/she can legally own a firearm, NFA items make no difference. The fact that the ATF approved it, should have been the proof that you are not a prohibited person. These guys don’t know what they are talking about. Good to know because I will not do any business with them even though they are opening a range close by.
>If a person is a legal permanent resident, he/she can legally own a firearm, NFA items make no difference. You don't even need to be a legal permanent resident.
Permanent residents can even own a FFL 02/07 corporate entity if they want. And be an SOT.
Never heard of these bitches before but will 100% never do business with them in the future and will tell everyone I know these bitches infringe. Hope they go under yesterday.
Thank you for naming them. Was looking for a range earlier today and saw I have a Range USA locally. Will not be giving them my money.
I used to work for Range USA. I hate them. I’d go on a rant, but here’s a TLDR: don’t give them your money, they’re an immoral greedy company. They’re corporate as fuck. Their founder/president is a fudd and a fisherman who founded the company out of spite after buying a gun and having to wait to shoot it at an indoor range. They won’t let you carry your gun at work unless you have a CCW permit and they have a copy of it on file. Range rules are stupid and strict (because they’ll let literally anyone on the range). Safety complaints fall of dead managers ears. They if you’re involved in a “critical incident” aka someone kills or shoots themselves, they’ll offer you the option to come in to their camera monitored class rooms, to use their computer, to talk to a “counselor” over Microsoft teams, on their account. Then they’ll cut your hours and not work with your availability until you want to quit. They do not change out their air filters very often. They only care about making sales goals, nothing else. They pay $10/hour to FULL TIME sales associates. With annual raises that are usually in the 2-5%. They offer benefits that will take HALF your paycheck. You get 5% commission on anything you make AFTER hitting your sales goal. You don’t see anything unless you hit that goal. Usually it’s an extra $30-50 at the most, maybe $100 on a good week.
The founding story had my attention then it just slid downhill. What a monkey fuck of a company
Back in my day we called em shoot point blank
They changed their name to dodge the bad rep, likely.
I was around for the name change we were told it was for "insurance purposes"
This just raises further questions
>only to find out that they had known about this policy of Range USA all along and said nothing. If this is true, /u/silencershop needs to drop them. That is inexcusable.
Sucks you had to go through that, but glad you got your can. Range USA can kick rocks. I’ve had so many unnecessary problems with them. I’ve purchased a lot of firearms from them and used them for numerous NFA items. Last time I was there I told them I’d never step foot in there again.
Range USA, whoever and wherever you are, FUCK YOU for infringing. Plenty of non-citizens who have earned the right to carry.
Stop dicking around and taking pictures of it, and go shoot it. But in all seriousness I'm glad it worked out.
Something very similar happened to me. Twice. Range USA is trash.
Fuck that place
Not personally a fan of them either. Have had bad experiences with employees being rude as shit at our local one..I took a LTC class before they changed names and it was a solid establishment but when it changed over to Range USA it went to complete shit. I have learned find a good local shop/guy that's a FFL and stick with them and keep the little guys fed and in business. FUCK the big name stores.
Range USA is responsible for my 17 month wait for my suppressor. Still waiting...they got the first eform4 rejected by not filling out their dealer name correctly. Their response was basically, tough we've had some go through that way and some get rejected. No apology, no offer, just pound sand and refile.
SS literally automates that for them. No excuses are permissible for eforms any more. What a cluster they are
I had SO many issues with them with my suppressor (and I got lucky... More below). When my form 4 was mailed and delivered (paper form 4) I called them to confirm it was ready. The guy on the phone didn't feel like checking so he just kept saying "we'll call you, it could be months before your suppressor is ready" and wouldn't let me explain to him that the ATF has mailed the form 4 already almost 2 weeks prior to this conversation and that he needs to check for me. He ended up hanging up on me and I had to complain to their corporate who get back to me the next day telling me my suppressor is ready to be picked up 🙄. Then I go to pick it up and there's a few people there also picking up suppressors. But apparently their new NFA guy put "Range USA" on their Eforms instead of his actual legal name, and ALL of these people got DENIED because of Range USA's bullshit. I was at least able to get my suppressor and never return, sucks for those people being stuck with range USA's bullshit
Is this the Range USA in TN (Knoxville) by chance? I hope it is cause I hate their dumbass, overpriced store. Their range is low quality too. Fuck em
No it's Carmel, Indiana. Sounds like it's not just a local thing then!
As a Noblesville resident, thank you for naming. I'll stick to hoosier armory, crossroads armory, and bare arms. I am lucky to have private land to be able to shoot on, but NFA items won't be going thru range USA. Scathing review inbound.
They're all the same. Knoxville effed up my Form 4 so i had to wait twice. Now I only use Tennessee Silencer. I did the membership for a free class I needed to get CCW after moving to the state ( free after 3 months membership). Some gun prices are quite competitive with the membership discount. That said I've never shot there.
This is why, as a small home-based FFL07/SOT2, I just keep getting more and more individual customers who want a positive experience. Every single one of them tells me a story about one of the big local shops dicking them around.
Congrats. Was already a bit weary of rangeusa. Just needed a nudge to quit so I guess this is it.
Congrats! I'm glad you got the can in your possession and can start enjoying it.
I’ve never had a good experience a good experience with Range USA. There’s a reason they re branded themselves from “Point Blank” to Range USA”…officially they will tell you it’s a friendlier, more welcoming name when in fact it’s to escape all the horrible reviews and prior associations people have made with them in the past as they continue to build and expand.
I'm glad it worked out for you. Sounds to me like a pretty good lawsuit against them. Shame more people don't know the law.
Our local Range USA seems staffed with people wholly uninterested in the industry they’re serving. Definitely will never do business with them again.
Glad you got it, I remember your previous posts. Also glad you named those fuckers! lol
The first place I went after having my MG approved was Point Blank (Range USA) that was 5 minutes from me and they told me that they no longer allow MG’s to be shot there because some cop shot up their ceiling with one. Haven’t been back since.
Range USA is a nice, clean range but always the most picky with ranger officers constantly watching. If two people shoot at the same time, they often think somebody is rapid firing which they don’t allow lol.
Range USA is great for beginners who don’t have a lot of experience or are just getting into the firearms world. But for any real fun or training it is severely lacking due to their fudd range rules.
I'm not so sure it's a good place for beginners now that you mention it. This is a totally unrelated story, but I feel I probably should have posted it before: one time, before all this crap, I rented a Glock 26 there. When I got to the range, it wouldn't chamber a round. After a quick inspection it became clear that there was a round stuck in the chamber. Luckily for me it was far back enough that the new round wouldn't go in enough to allow the gun the lock up. That's what saved me. When I told them, they said "oh we're supposed to check the barrels for obstructions when we take them back, sorry about that. But in all the times I was there since then, I saw many rental guns being handed back, and I never once saw anyone check the bores. So I don't think it's a very safe place to shoot for beginners honestly.
This is what I was worried about. I seriously can't work from a holster or instruct anyone else unless I have proper certs? It does say RSO has final say, so maybe my new store will be chill. But I'm not holding my breath.
The no drawing from a holster is the rule at every range here in South Florida. Revere Range in Pompano is the only one allowing it to anyone, but you have to use a certain lane with a half door. Apex and Nexus allow it after you pay for a session with an instructor. That’s it
I always use the rangeUSA by me to do my suppressor stuff through silencershop. All the people are nice and helpful. As for the actual range, I’ve never used it.
Your positive experience is one of a SS kiosk sale, not of a RangeUSA sale. I mean, they can still fuck it up, but SS makes it practically impossible unless the dealer actively tries to fuck it up.
I was kind of just mentioning that the RangeUSA staff was nice and helpful.
Range USA near me is actually pretty great (as a range, not a store). They're the only indoor range that lets you shoot steel case. They never actually inspect ammo. They allow 2 per lane. Good ROs and overall pretty chill. In comparison, blackwing is the "pros" choice but they're super uptight. Always inspect ammo and no steel case (told me my tula 7.62x39 would start a fire even tho not steel core), hold IDs hostage, expensive, and holier than you attitude from the ROs. With that said 100% agree I would avoid range usa for NFA. Glad you got your can OP
Yeah their range was the best I found in my area too. There's a great local place that has no issues with selling to me, and allows visits, but unfortunately their range blows by comparison. I have to use their rifle ammo and have to use designated rifle lanes, which makes it almost useless to me. I have a couple of cans in jail with them and I'll keep buying from them but I need to find a better range. At Range USA I could use any ammo, any caliber in any lane. But it's not worth it after this, I could never go there. I actually have a couple of weeks left on my membership and a few bucks on a gift card I won there in a competition but I don't think I can bring myself to use them.
I usually go to Blackwing (OH) and did all my Suppressors through them. They never give me too much hassle and mid week early morning it's not uncommon to be the only one in the rifle range. I need a good outdoor range though. The state ranges are no NFA items and the 3 seconds between shots is mind numbing unless you're out there to dial in a bolt gun. At least they're dirt cheap and allow drinks and steel ammo.
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I recently bought a cheap 1911 from them because it was on sale. Didn't look at it too much in the store (my mistake and lesson learned) before taking it home because it's just a 1911. Got home to find out it wasn't working right, and the hammer was following the slide. Thought a thorough cleaning would fix it, and it seemed to, but got to the range and the problem came back. Handed it to the RSO and the dude ended up NDing into the ceiling. Talked to the store manager and he told me I needed to contact the manufacturer so after dealing with them I returned to Range USA with an RMA ready to ship it back and they told me they don't ship firearms and I'd have to find somewhere else. After their refusal to assist me with the faulty firearm they sold me, I haven't been back. Found a great local place 40 minutes from me and couldn't be happier.
Now I know who to avoid
Glad to hear. I never heard of this company and sounds like they don’t have one out here (UT). Stupid how they think they are above the law!
I knew there was a reason why I canceled my membership last year. Place seemed odd
They have shit business practices. Publicly shit on them at every chance and dont give em another red cent
Range USA is trash. They're the planet fitness of ranges except they're overpriced for what they are. RO gets on for doing double/triple taps but nothing to the guy next to me trying to fix a stove pipe with his finger on the trigger. They don't even allow conjugal visits
They're not near me, but since I'm a naturalized citizen, it's good to know in case they decide to change the definition of "US Citizen" for their "Policy."
Yeah I think they're made it clear that they can't be trusted with the NFA process.
Just check the box for citizen and you're good. ATF doesn't make a distinction But then again, ATF also gives dealers guidance that if something feels fishy it's perfectly ok to refuse to complete a transaction. I have a feeling you'd have trouble at RangeUSA if you have an accent and get the wrong Bubba behind the counter
Glad this all got resolved for you. But i wish people would name and shame more for infractions like this. You are only protecting the perps.
Apparently they never heard of Natural Rights and thought that only people who were born on top of the correct specs of dirt get to enjoy them
Good for you. Now it’s time to find a differ LGS for you suppressor needs lol
I know I’m probably the outlier here but my local Range USA is great. The employees are friendly and their range is one of the better ones in my area. I can’t speak on any NFA items or firearms purchases per say, but using their range is fine for me. They recently had a 50% off sale on Hornady defensive ammo which i bought about $150 worth and they had to scan my ID for the purchase, which I thought was kind of weird. Other than that I have had good experiences with them. Like i mentioned though, very small sample size from my experience.
SS is excellent from both a consumer and dealer perspective. All around top quality outfit
Citizen or not, that looks like the hand of a patriot, to me.
There was a range by me in Merrillville indiana called shoot point blank. A woman got killed there and it was real hush hush. Then they changed the name of the range to range usa. Always wondered what went down there.
I’ve never seen anything at Range USA that I couldn’t get cheaper somewhere else. Their knowledge base is trash, and the good experiences I’ve had have been far in the minority. I had a membership because of proximity, canceled it after about two months because of fudds. “Double taps count as RAPID FIRE”. So dumb.
I saw the frustration from your original post. Hello from a fellow Midwesterner near the bulk of Range USA locations. I have a friend in their cooperate office I could have made a call to had you name dropped. Do you mind me asking which location? I'm not the biggest fan of them, I was a bit annoyed the time they ID'd me to purchase a simple pistol grip replacement.
Hey, it was Carmel, IN. I did name them in the original thread, but only as a comment which probably doesn't notify people.