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RonBakerLegend

We’re probably picking up both options. Sims to be our 3rd big. Jeffries to use in the Mikal trade. We will have enough space for I-Hart regardless as long as we are not hard capped at the first apron.


baylixir

Using Jeffries in the trade is pointless. If we include him we’re still hard capped at the first apron.


Spare_Advisor_1464

It’s not pointless. It just doesn’t get you there on its own. Jeffries + signing one of our second round picks to a deal slightly higher than the minimum is enough to avoid being hard capped which is the scenario Fred Katz discussed on his pod yesterday.


ontheru171

Can't we put Sims in a deal - since he is on rookie deal and not a vet min?


RonBakerLegend

He counts as a minimum contract apparently due to how much he makes.


ontheru171

Ah okay thanks.


hardknicklife

Don't think that's true, if you send more than you receive in a trade you are not hard capped at the First Apron


AwarenessOld3733

Sims is trash, knick would be better off finding a vet for the minimum then holding onto sims


Jmpasq

I wouldn't call him trash but a vet big might be a good idea.


AwarenessOld3733

Three plus years in the league, and the only thing he can still do is just jump, at a certain point knick fans need to let go of these sentimental feelings for bad players, did it with guys like frank for years


Jmpasq

Yeah the Knicks can do better.


NYdude777

Why does this picture look like the AI version of Jericho Sims?


NYdude777

Sims and Toppin were both picked up. Everyone else was declined including Precious.


Equivalent-Amount910

Jacob been killin it in the G League, not bad to keep him


ontheru171

Declining Sims actually costs us cap space since the vet min is above his option


cgr1zzly

Which then could be used to send to nets in the trade and putting us back in the second aprons since he was considered a minimum contract before


Spare_Advisor_1464

No, they’re both minimum $ contracts. The big thing for the Knicks is figuring out how to avoid being hard capped at the first apron once the Bridges deal is finalized. These two have no bearing on that


jamesy00

Would it be accurate to say that if BKLYN takes back more salary, that might be why we had to include extra draft capital to avoid being hard capped, so in essence the Makil trade can help us retain ihart? Is that a too much of a stretch?


metastar13

Been waiting for an update on this one. I think it's obvious the team declines Jeffries, but very curious what happens with Sims.


OstrichDelicious587

We’re keeping sims. His contract is partially guaranteed it would cost us more total to release him and sign someone else


metastar13

Gotcha, well then I expect Sims to stay!


KerryKl01

Then what part of this is an option?


OstrichDelicious587

We have the option to fully guarantee his contract which I expect them to do


LIONEL14JESSE

2024-25: Club Option/partial-guaranteed: (exercised 6/29/24) $651,180 guaranteed, $1,302,359 guaranteed later of 7/16/24 or 10 days after last day of 2024 moratorium, fully guaranteed later of 8/16/24 or 45 days after last day of 2024 moratorium Declining the option only saves $1.3M against the cap


Nti11matic

I think they might actually pick up Jeffries' option and then include him in the trade to brooklyn for cap reasons


RJIsJustABetterDwade

Why would Brooklyn agree to this?


det8924

Toss in an extra second rounder BK isn't doing anything with their cap space anyway.


Mobius24

It helps facilitate the trade


Nti11matic

They're going to let 2nd round unguaranteed contracts who will be playing for a tanking team get in the way of receiving 5 unprotected first round picks? Yeah I don't see it. They will do it.


RJIsJustABetterDwade

I don’t understand, we can still back out of the mikal trade? I thought that was a done deal


Nti11matic

It's been agreed to in principle and nowhere have I seen that the trade was finalized unless I missed that update. https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1805782619382063592


RJIsJustABetterDwade

Oh wow I had no idea, this seems crazy to have all this media on a trade that hasn’t even officially happened


KINGOFGAMES972

Paul George is now a free agent.


OstrichDelicious587

The only way we could possibly sign Paul George is for the 12 mill aav mle


KINGOFGAMES972

I could see him taking 25 million since he’s not getting much more


OstrichDelicious587

You’re bugging. He’s gonna get double that.


KINGOFGAMES972

Bro he declined 48.7 so 50 mill is not happening.


OstrichDelicious587

You usually decline because you’re expecting to get offered more; like what we just saw happen w og


KINGOFGAMES972

Lebron declined he’s not going to get more than what he had on the table


OstrichDelicious587

Yes, yes he is.


KINGOFGAMES972

You think Lebron is going to get more than 51.4 million a season. Seriously?


frogfood24

Yes, he is.


OstrichDelicious587

Let me ask you a question…why would any star player opt out if they thought they were gonna get less….


22pabloesco22

Bro what the fuck is you babbling on about?!?


det8924

They like Simms so I think he is staying as a third string big which for that role you could do worse. As far as Jefferies I think they will attempt to include him in the Bridges deal to avoid being hardcapped at the first apron. If they can add Jefferies to the Bridges deal they should be able to give I-Hart the largest offer they can give him. All this apron stuff and cap rules are hard to figure out, Knicks hopefully have top men on this.


cgr1zzly

We literally have the best salary cap analyst in the league .


det8924

So top men?


cgr1zzly

Yes I believe so , I’ve heard multiple times that they are as good as it gets . TBH I don’t know who came in and said we have to get Leon , Wes , the scouts and analysts . Because they literally are elite . Makes me wonder who we were hiring before and the nepotism that was there to hire Basura caca poopoo people


det8924

I have heard the same thing about the Knicks cap people. I think the Scott Perry hire was the start of getting competent people in the bb ops of the team. Perry’s resume wasn’t impeccable but he was a key executive in the Pistons 03-08 run and then went to Seattle where he was a key assistant to Presti for their last season where a lot of their success was set up. He did have less a stellar run in his second Detroit run and his Orlando run was mixed. Many people raved about his acumen in Orlando but the on court result weren’t there. But Perry was seen as a respectable hire and someone from outside the Dolan sphere that was an “adult” in the room. It was a refreshing turn of events once Phil was gone that the team in house had a competent basketball mind to work things out. Perry laid a very solid foundation for Leon to build off of. They didn’t panic after “losing out” on Kyrie and KD. They signed Julius to a 2+1 and then a bunch of 1+1 players to keep the cap flexibility going. They flipped Morris for a pick and just went through a prudent rebuilding season. When Leon took over as president he was handed a team that had a ton of cap flexibility, two first round picks in the upcoming 2020 draft, mostly young players, and two future Mavs picks in their back pocket. Leon was the first Knicks president to inherit a solid rebuilding foundation.


firstbreathOOC

Now that they’re not keeping Precious they have to pick up Sims, right?


HipnotiK1

Need to stop focusing on or worrying if/how the knicks can offer Ihart the max. If he'll take it the Knicks will figure it out. The issue is if he'll take it which none of us know.


PSYCHE-POP-BUS

The Knicks should let him go ! S/t


i_poke_urmuttersushi

Who do you get dirt cheap to be a 3rd option center if we keep Ihart? You need someone cause you can't trust Mitch to fall awkwardly so many times and not end up hurt. Who the guy to fill the role that gets zero minutes and is supposed to perform at a high level after months of sitting on the bench?


HairyHouse3

PG?


OstrichDelicious587

Nah