There was a guy who went around California for PBS named Huell Howser, he was even spoofed a couple times on The Simpsons. Sad loss for California when he passed. Anyways, when he died his producer on FB talked a little about him. He mentioned he visited Koko, came back, wouldn't talk about it and destroyed the tapes. I always wonder what happened.
He donated his work to Chapman University, great stuff if you want to see a little slice of life around CA. https://blogs.chapman.edu/huell-howser-archives/archives/
He probably figured out that her '[sign language speaking' was kinda bogus](https://youtu.be/e7wFotDKEF4) on his own and didn't want it to come out to ruin the story for the public
Every time this story comes up I shudder because if you do any reading it’s abundantly clear that Koko’s owners would make their employees strip topless to “appease” Koko, stating she would get angry if they didn’t undress.
Nothing backed that up. Nothing Koko did at least. It was all on the part of Koko’s owners, and whatever their weird sexual perversion was. I’ve also come to believe they actively facilitated the deception of Koko’s ability to sign.
Lead researcher: *uhh, we- I mean he, need you to also stand up and sort of dance around and jiggle a bit every ten minutes, uhh the 800 pound gorilla said so. Via sign language, yeah. So, if you could just get started any time you're ready thanks?*
koko didn't actually know sign language (and neither did any of the 'researchers' who worked with her) and the entire thing was a very weird, shady fraud.
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/rnqeds/til_koko_the_gorilla_couldnt_actually_talk_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Another scientist and skeptic pointed out recently that no supposed sign language critter has ever asked us a single question about ourselves. “When kin I haz mo’ food” doesn’t count.
This guy or gal pointed out that sign language with critters is all learned reaction coming from their instinct part of the brain.
Birds are smart. I’ve said long before it became somewhat accepted that they know exactly what they are saying, at least some of the time. That is back decades ago when it was said that they were engaging in pure mimicry. I had a parrot decades ago and that was one smart f’in bird and I knew from interacting that it was not mimicry. And now experiments with crows. So who knows.
Yeah. Apropos of nothing else back in the early 60’s we had elderly neighbors in Upstate NY that kept a parrot on their front porch that, they said, was over 80 years old and they claimed had sailed the high seas with an ancestor. It called visitors “You dirty bastard”
I'll play skeptic to the skeptic,
When parts of human brains are removed or severely injured, other parts of the brain can take over to compensate.
I'm not saying that's what happens here (far from it) but we must be extremely careful when we decide what is or isnt conscious thinking/reasoning, and in my untrained eye it's entirely reasonable if we ever manage to pull something like that off, it would challenge our understanding of the brain/neurology to begin with
It's called [the Problem of Other Minds](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_other_minds).
Basically, we know that we, ourselves, have minds, subjective experiences, internal dialogue, etc., because we have privileged access to our own thoughts. But for every other human out there, the only evidence we have that they also have minds is behavioral, because we can't examine their brain and determine if there's a subjective experience happening there.
The exact same situation holds with animals, but worse. We can assume other humans probably have minds because of the close biological similarities between our brains and their brains. But because we don't really understand how the brain gives rise to a conscious mind, we don't know _how_ similar to a human brain an animal brain would have to be in order to give rise to a mind.
All that being said... It's _incredibly_ unlikely that consciousness suddenly appeared in homo sapiens or rectus or some other homo species because that's just not how it generally works. It's more likely that, just like most things, it was a series of step wise refinements that resulted in our level of consciousness and thought. Which means we ought to expect to find a spectrum of consciousness, abstract thinking ability, language use, etc. across different species.
As to the apes not asking a question, there's plenty of people that don't ever ask questions either, and we don't use that to assume they aren't conscious. Too, criticizing animals for not asking questions kind of smacks of chauvinism: we're judging them for not having _human_ traits.
It's like many people's assertion that we are the only life out in the universe, or that in the past, great minds thought we were at the centre of the universe. Thinking humans are the only ones with a decent amount of consciousness is so indicative of our self-centeredness as a species. Of course we aren't. Other animals are conscious and thinking and they dream and they get angry and sad, some way beyond that I agree it can be hard to know. But this is a way that speciesism has proliferated, we can say that it's ok to imprison or test on or kill animals because they don't think the same as us and therefore can't feel pain the same or aren't worthy of the same rights because they aren't conscious like us. It's ludicrous. Look at how many people still think fish don't feel pain. Myths, ridiculous myths.
Yeah, as a kid I lived in a place with macaques in the wild, killed 3 pets we had (2 cats and a dog) - and at one point a group of about 10 of them started to attack me (I was 5 years old), fortunately I was able to get indoors.
These guys are pack hunters, and fucking arseholes. Yeah in captivity they seem chill, in the wild they are far from it.
That’s actually a valid point. Like lambs. My older brothers and sisters watched the killing of the spring lambs at our relatives farm but I thankfully was never around for it. It was said to be devastating for some people to watch. They cried with tears and all. (The lambs). So yeah. You have a point.
That's how Paul McCartney became a vegetarian.
He was at his farm in Scotland and one day his family sat down to a dinner of lamb roast. While eating they saw sheep playing outside and thought "ewww.... " and that was the end of that
my mom’s family is old school western us shepherds and she described the slaughtering of the lambs to me once. basically all the men solemnly go far away with the lambs so nobody (including the lamb’s mothers) have to witness it in any way. it is a task you have to harden your heart for
They carry them around for a while and the puppy/small dog/kitten gets sick from lack of food and water or keeps trying to escape or the monkey gets hungry and they’ll drop them from a rooftop or treetop and jump down and eat them. That’s how they roll. That kitty is monkey food 10/10.
This is the comment I was looking for. I was also thinking on the monkey many ways to torture the poor thing like plucking each whisker, causing it baldness around the eyes due to too much touching it, inserting fingers in the anus out of curiosity or in the worst case, at the first real scratch the monkey receives, a gory death due to a fit of rage.
They look lovely but monkeys can be unpredictable.
That monkey expressed emotion I've felt every time a kitty curls up in my arms. Watching this made it feel like it's a primal emotion inherited from our mutual ancestors.
Thats why I love this video too, its such clear emotion, and so familar to what we experience. Even its little behaviors, the gentle touches, the rapid little "kisses" to entice it over, and the big eyebrow raises in surprise and delight when it finally crawls in her lap. Its so human
Animals have emotions but they do not necessarily express them the way we do, and in particularly ascribing emotions based on comparing facial expression to humans is very often incorrect.
Anyone who says that is likely incapable of empathy themselves. Its such an objectively stupid statement, designed to elevate humans above the animal kingdom, like we arent just smart apes. Or to try to make it okay to treat other animals like objects, to justify factory farming or other cruelties.
> "Yes, but humans are more important than animals." said Brutha.
>
> "This is a point of view often expressed by humans." said Om.
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> -Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
Now, thats not to say animals arent also capable of cruelty. Intelligence comes with the capacity for both, and many animals *are* much more intelligent than we give them credit for. They just had their intelligence evolved for very different goals than we did, so as to be nearly unrecognizable if you don't have empathy.
It's just regular grooming. Monkeys will take turns picking parasites out of each others's fur. It improves the health of the troop and also makes for tasty snacks.
Probably our petting behavior with our companion animals is an echo of this behavior.
Meet old rescue cats ladies. We all hate kittens. I have three helping me type this comment. I know of 15 who need help but I can only do three right now. Want a kitten? Will ship. ;)
Annnnd now I have to go watch all the SNL Kristen Wiig cat lady videos[And I'll be here with all of you](https://youtu.be/fzcSJ1setd0?si=HYzqhmmUrv2XmqyJ)
I always am amazed by how fucking close we are to animals.
That monkey looks like anyone would playing with a cute little kitty like that.
I am just a hairless monkey.
Well, we are animals, by definition. Great apes, to be precise. So yeah, kinda just big hairless and tail-less monkeys who think very highly of themselves.
If you observe a horde of baboons in the wild, and then look at the behaviour of your colleagues at work, you are going to recognize a startling amount of similarities. Of course most physical interaction is replaced by the verbal, but the dynamics and patterns are amazingly relatable.
Yes, we are just hairless monkeys who learned a trick.
Because we forget we are animals and that we are a part of nature. I think it is unhealthy, not to say we need to go live in the wild or act differently, but because we desperately need a new relationship with nature, and I think psychology would be helpful with how narcissistic our world has become.
I had to take environmental history for my history major, I wasn't looking forward to it, especially with how many different approaches for such a class. I ended up adoring it, my professor took the approach of prehistory to modernity, showing the timeline of us removing ourselves from nature and a lot of different ideas here and there. It ended up being one of my favorites and most impactful.
If you haven't been in close proximity to monkeys/apes and seen them interact, you definitely should some time. It's uncanny how similar they are in their behaviors as we are.
Any animal that evolved from another is considered to be in the same clade, so by that calculation, humans are still bony fish, and whatever type of animal gave birth to those. I think placoderms. And you can go back all the way to a hypothetical "last universal common ancestor" or LUCA that is the ancestor of all life on Earth, and a "first universal common ancestor" or FUCA that would be the ancestor of LUCA and a bunch of other possible forms of life that didn't make it.
Macaques "Mothers" are very caring. They even adopt orphans in their tribe. So this particular kitten is completely safe.
It's always the male ones that are dangerous.
It sounds like you're talking about the chimpanzee that ate that poor woman's face and hands.
Monkeys just kinda randomly scalp people all on their own, for funsies. [NSFW obviously, this is a video of a monkey scalping some guy.(for funsies)](https://youtu.be/DMj3b0Bbdo0)
“Always” is outright false.
Males are absolutely more dangerous as they are larger and more aggressive. But to say female macaques are literally never dangerous is doing a disservice to truth. It’s a wild animal, and is completely capable of doing harm.
And while this kitten is probably fine, it is by no means “completely safe.” This is, again, a wild animal. It could respond negatively to a plethora of things and end up hurting this kitten.
Let’s ease up on the confident spreading of misinformation.
Was looking for this comment. Everyone debating on how quickly the monkey could’ve turned, which isn’t wrong but I’ve seen humans do worse shit to cats.
One, I said Mother macaques, not female macaques.
two, I've lived my whole life quite near to family of monkeys. probably about 100 monkeys. And it's always Juveniles and Male monkeys who cause problems. Mother Macaques carrying baby NEVER fight for obvious reasons. They will scream and yell but won't engage in altercation. And if they take liking to kittens or puppies then they take care of them too.
three, Not every statement has to be made Lawyer proof. If you wanna be pedantic be my my guest.
That would be a Chimpanzee sir. These are Macaque monkeys. Although they are known to have a gang culture, they are very soft hearted animals. I grew up around them. They are seen as divine beings, hence why soo much of them roam Hindu Temples and other holy pilgrimage spots for Hindus.
That monkey showed how I feel every time my cat curls up in my arms. It felt like a basic feeling passed down from our common ancestors as I watched this.
I don't know the english term, but there is a certain pattern of how young animals (including humans) look that make them cute (big eyes, big paws, small mouths, this stuff). Works regardless of species.
Which is why we feel the need to protect puppies and kittens just like human babies. Since the pattern is pretty universal among mammals and since it helps us protect our young, I assume every species reacts to it in some way. So this monkey is very likely to think that the kitten is cute.
Interesting to consider what goes on in the monkey’s mind without language to actually label it as being “cute”. I can think of ways that I think without using language, like abstract problem solving, imagining a shape, or a color, or what something would feel like before I do it. But language is interspersed with all those thoughts, or when the thought is finished then I automatically apply language to it, which makes me further categorize it and compare it to things. But the monkey is just having this very raw experience of the kitten in comparison. Not sure what I’m getting at, just fascinating to think about what their consciousness is really like.
I'm not sure how science would prove it, but that's absolutely what I thought. It's an instinctual thing that many mammals have, is how I think about it, from what I've read or heard.
Something tells me that it’s not a good idea for the monkey to “keep” that kitten. Sure, THIS interaction is cute, but I hope someone intervened and the cat is safe and sound.
Yeah. Monkeys are known to steal small animals like kittens, puppies, or even smaller species of other monkeys and keep them as their “pets”. Being a monkeys “pet” involves being carried around and poked at all day with no access to proper food or water. :( I also hope someone intervened.
Afaik Macaques mothers are very well tempered. This situation in particular doesn't look dangerous. I doubt the monkey would keep the cat eithet way tho
We had a female monkey at the mini zoo in our village when I was a kid. Very similar looking monkey, only black. We loved each other unconditionally. She used to take care of me the same way this monkey is doing to the kitten. I came to visit her 2-3 times a week with vegetables she liked.
It was 30+ years ago, I still love you Kati 🐒❤️
At first I though, "that monkey is making some weird faces and sounds at the kitten."
Then I remembered all the weird sounds and faces I make at kittens...
In the short term, likely. The lip smacking it was doing was basically a sign of it saying ‘I mean you no harm/I am not a threat’.
In the long term, no. Outcomes range from it not knowing the needs of this kitten to keep it alive at best to this monkey or others around it getting curious about how long the kitten’s intestines are at worst.
Anddd now that's your cat, macaque!
I love how he pushes his face into the kitten. We get it, dude. Samesies. Enjoy your first cat. It's a lot of work.
As cute as this may look, the kitten will die.
Animals don't know what other animals eat. The kitten will starve, unless the macaque lets it out of its sight in time so it can get away and catch some bugs, mice, or other small animals.
These sort of things generally don’t happen naturally. Normally the cameraperson obtains the small animal then takes it to the predator. Then they proceed to film them whilst the predator investigates and works out whether it is food or not. And they normally do realise they are food.
And the creator is MONKEYCLIPS2024. No way in hell this isn’t staged, and he had no idea how the monkey would react initially.
This monkey will torture the kitten by dragging it everywhere. As for me, this picture is not sentimental at all, as such monkeys are very nasty and harmful.
This reminds me of the gorilla that took care of a pet kitten, and became incredibly depressed when it died, so they had to get her a new kitten baby.
Koko, rip.
The second most famous gorilla of all time
There was a guy who went around California for PBS named Huell Howser, he was even spoofed a couple times on The Simpsons. Sad loss for California when he passed. Anyways, when he died his producer on FB talked a little about him. He mentioned he visited Koko, came back, wouldn't talk about it and destroyed the tapes. I always wonder what happened. He donated his work to Chapman University, great stuff if you want to see a little slice of life around CA. https://blogs.chapman.edu/huell-howser-archives/archives/
That is unsettling
He probably figured out that her '[sign language speaking' was kinda bogus](https://youtu.be/e7wFotDKEF4) on his own and didn't want it to come out to ruin the story for the public
FYI Koko was obsessed with nipples.
Every time this story comes up I shudder because if you do any reading it’s abundantly clear that Koko’s owners would make their employees strip topless to “appease” Koko, stating she would get angry if they didn’t undress. Nothing backed that up. Nothing Koko did at least. It was all on the part of Koko’s owners, and whatever their weird sexual perversion was. I’ve also come to believe they actively facilitated the deception of Koko’s ability to sign.
In the words of Robin Williams, when an 800lb Gorilla has ya by the tits, Ya Listen! 😄
Lead researcher: *uhh, we- I mean he, need you to also stand up and sort of dance around and jiggle a bit every ten minutes, uhh the 800 pound gorilla said so. Via sign language, yeah. So, if you could just get started any time you're ready thanks?*
Yes. Her owner had a bit of an unhealthy attachment, to say the least.
Aren't we all?
That’s what came to my mind. It really shattered my love for Koko’s story to learn that
A legend. Pure hokum but he was good company.
Dicks out 😔
RIP
Our world was never the same after he left us. DICKS OUT
I firmly believe he was the fulcrum, the point the timelines diverged, and we all got stuck with.... *this*
Truly the beginning of the end.
Wait.. you guys put your dicks away? Mine's been out this whole time.
Without turning this into a popularity contest, I think it depends on when you grew up. I'm a child of the 80s and Koko is top gorilla.
Imo King Kong is 2nd most famous. Koko is 3rd
I did consider the king in my rankings but he was DQ’ed bc he ain’t real. There’s only one true king of our hearts
koko didn't actually know sign language (and neither did any of the 'researchers' who worked with her) and the entire thing was a very weird, shady fraud. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/rnqeds/til_koko_the_gorilla_couldnt_actually_talk_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Another scientist and skeptic pointed out recently that no supposed sign language critter has ever asked us a single question about ourselves. “When kin I haz mo’ food” doesn’t count. This guy or gal pointed out that sign language with critters is all learned reaction coming from their instinct part of the brain.
Alex the African Grey allegedly asked what colour he was but also his handler was resistant to independent testing so ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Birds are smart. I’ve said long before it became somewhat accepted that they know exactly what they are saying, at least some of the time. That is back decades ago when it was said that they were engaging in pure mimicry. I had a parrot decades ago and that was one smart f’in bird and I knew from interacting that it was not mimicry. And now experiments with crows. So who knows.
Linguists on the whole are pretty skeptical for good reason tho
Yeah. Apropos of nothing else back in the early 60’s we had elderly neighbors in Upstate NY that kept a parrot on their front porch that, they said, was over 80 years old and they claimed had sailed the high seas with an ancestor. It called visitors “You dirty bastard”
I'll play skeptic to the skeptic, When parts of human brains are removed or severely injured, other parts of the brain can take over to compensate. I'm not saying that's what happens here (far from it) but we must be extremely careful when we decide what is or isnt conscious thinking/reasoning, and in my untrained eye it's entirely reasonable if we ever manage to pull something like that off, it would challenge our understanding of the brain/neurology to begin with
It's called [the Problem of Other Minds](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_other_minds). Basically, we know that we, ourselves, have minds, subjective experiences, internal dialogue, etc., because we have privileged access to our own thoughts. But for every other human out there, the only evidence we have that they also have minds is behavioral, because we can't examine their brain and determine if there's a subjective experience happening there. The exact same situation holds with animals, but worse. We can assume other humans probably have minds because of the close biological similarities between our brains and their brains. But because we don't really understand how the brain gives rise to a conscious mind, we don't know _how_ similar to a human brain an animal brain would have to be in order to give rise to a mind. All that being said... It's _incredibly_ unlikely that consciousness suddenly appeared in homo sapiens or rectus or some other homo species because that's just not how it generally works. It's more likely that, just like most things, it was a series of step wise refinements that resulted in our level of consciousness and thought. Which means we ought to expect to find a spectrum of consciousness, abstract thinking ability, language use, etc. across different species. As to the apes not asking a question, there's plenty of people that don't ever ask questions either, and we don't use that to assume they aren't conscious. Too, criticizing animals for not asking questions kind of smacks of chauvinism: we're judging them for not having _human_ traits.
It's like many people's assertion that we are the only life out in the universe, or that in the past, great minds thought we were at the centre of the universe. Thinking humans are the only ones with a decent amount of consciousness is so indicative of our self-centeredness as a species. Of course we aren't. Other animals are conscious and thinking and they dream and they get angry and sad, some way beyond that I agree it can be hard to know. But this is a way that speciesism has proliferated, we can say that it's ok to imprison or test on or kill animals because they don't think the same as us and therefore can't feel pain the same or aren't worthy of the same rights because they aren't conscious like us. It's ludicrous. Look at how many people still think fish don't feel pain. Myths, ridiculous myths.
She tried to fuck robin williams too
Nah, she just twisted his nipples a bit
Can't scorn her for something I'd have tried to do too.
Koko, hi-five!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtaOOg6HDA
The expression on her face when it snuggled up to her was the same expression as the one on my face when I saw it snuggle up to her 😭
The monkey went from "what is this thing?" to "I'll protect it with my life" in an instant.
"It's a baaaaaaaaabyyyyyy!"
And you’re mine now!
They do that and then they'll also kill and eat them, as they do with small dogs. All the time.
Yeah, as a kid I lived in a place with macaques in the wild, killed 3 pets we had (2 cats and a dog) - and at one point a group of about 10 of them started to attack me (I was 5 years old), fortunately I was able to get indoors. These guys are pack hunters, and fucking arseholes. Yeah in captivity they seem chill, in the wild they are far from it.
Macaques are f*cking vicious, and that's a fact.
They're assholes in captivity too. Primates are not to be trusted, ever.
It us
r/likeus
so ... you're saying they're both miners and minors
Like us I suppose. We love baby animals too but we kill them and eat them.
That’s actually a valid point. Like lambs. My older brothers and sisters watched the killing of the spring lambs at our relatives farm but I thankfully was never around for it. It was said to be devastating for some people to watch. They cried with tears and all. (The lambs). So yeah. You have a point.
They were screaming, Doctor.
Do they still scream?
You will let me know when those lambs stop screaming, won't you?
That's how Paul McCartney became a vegetarian. He was at his farm in Scotland and one day his family sat down to a dinner of lamb roast. While eating they saw sheep playing outside and thought "ewww.... " and that was the end of that
Ewe
my mom’s family is old school western us shepherds and she described the slaughtering of the lambs to me once. basically all the men solemnly go far away with the lambs so nobody (including the lamb’s mothers) have to witness it in any way. it is a task you have to harden your heart for
Hello Clarice.
Yeah I was reading every comment about how they can also do bad things and all I could think was someone could say the exact same things about humans.
STOP F*CKING WITH MY HAPPY FANTASY * cries in corner *
Don’t cry! That person is a filthy little liar of lies.
It's true. A woman in Ghana had some monkeys, they killed four of her kittens after they had been 'playing' with them
I just wanted this to be nice.
Thanks for ruining it Redditor
SHUT YOUR MOUTH LIAR
I was constantly worrying if the kitten acts defensive and monkey snaps killing it, all ended well
They carry them around for a while and the puppy/small dog/kitten gets sick from lack of food and water or keeps trying to escape or the monkey gets hungry and they’ll drop them from a rooftop or treetop and jump down and eat them. That’s how they roll. That kitty is monkey food 10/10.
This is the comment I was looking for. I was also thinking on the monkey many ways to torture the poor thing like plucking each whisker, causing it baldness around the eyes due to too much touching it, inserting fingers in the anus out of curiosity or in the worst case, at the first real scratch the monkey receives, a gory death due to a fit of rage. They look lovely but monkeys can be unpredictable.
That monkey expressed emotion I've felt every time a kitty curls up in my arms. Watching this made it feel like it's a primal emotion inherited from our mutual ancestors.
Thats why I love this video too, its such clear emotion, and so familar to what we experience. Even its little behaviors, the gentle touches, the rapid little "kisses" to entice it over, and the big eyebrow raises in surprise and delight when it finally crawls in her lap. Its so human
It's such bullshit when people say animals aren't intelligent enough to feel emotions like empathy.
Animals have emotions but they do not necessarily express them the way we do, and in particularly ascribing emotions based on comparing facial expression to humans is very often incorrect.
Anyone who says that is likely incapable of empathy themselves. Its such an objectively stupid statement, designed to elevate humans above the animal kingdom, like we arent just smart apes. Or to try to make it okay to treat other animals like objects, to justify factory farming or other cruelties. > "Yes, but humans are more important than animals." said Brutha. > > "This is a point of view often expressed by humans." said Om. > > -Terry Pratchett, Small Gods Now, thats not to say animals arent also capable of cruelty. Intelligence comes with the capacity for both, and many animals *are* much more intelligent than we give them credit for. They just had their intelligence evolved for very different goals than we did, so as to be nearly unrecognizable if you don't have empathy.
She was adopted by the kitten
The cat distribution system is expanding, too many cats without a home :(
They had to enroll monkeys too
CDS does not discriminate. It’s not just for hoomans
What is CDS?
/r/CatDistributionSystem
😆
It's that look a little kid gives you when they're holding a kitty and it starts to purr.
She also absconds with the kitten same way I would have 😭
Yeah, she was tearing up for sure:)
Little kitten, I will protect you with my life… Let me pick this piece of poop out of your butt
…and taste it
just like us
What?
r/justlikeus
This sub is straight up hilarious. Can't believe I didn't know about it
r/likeus is the better one
When i saw it I asked myself 'why do they always stick their finger in asses of others?!' Then I remembered I do the same..
Why stop at just 1 finger? I'm looking for at least 4 knuckles, 5, if you treat me real nicely.
Monke checking for worms, and I have heard they know herbs&plants that treat worm infections!
This is plausible. I was wondering if the pick n sniff was to check what the kitten eats, so the monkey would know what to feed it.
It's just regular grooming. Monkeys will take turns picking parasites out of each others's fur. It improves the health of the troop and also makes for tasty snacks. Probably our petting behavior with our companion animals is an echo of this behavior.
Just prepping it for macaque
Cutest thing I've seen this morning
This should be in r/natureisfuckingcute
Also on r/likeus
Makes me think "they aren't like us" it's more that "we are like them".
We have the same anscestors so both of those mean the same exact thing
Me too, it's super awesome and sooooo cute!
it soo sweet and now that kitten is adopted and has a new mother
Everyone loves kittens
You haven't met my mother in law.
Your MIL is a kitten?
No, she's a bitch !!
Whats the difference between inlaws and outlaws? >! Outlaws are wanted
Meet old rescue cats ladies. We all hate kittens. I have three helping me type this comment. I know of 15 who need help but I can only do three right now. Want a kitten? Will ship. ;)
Annnnd now I have to go watch all the SNL Kristen Wiig cat lady videos[And I'll be here with all of you](https://youtu.be/fzcSJ1setd0?si=HYzqhmmUrv2XmqyJ)
And everybody who loves kittens knows you gotta get their little eye boogers!
I always am amazed by how fucking close we are to animals. That monkey looks like anyone would playing with a cute little kitty like that. I am just a hairless monkey.
Well, we are animals, by definition. Great apes, to be precise. So yeah, kinda just big hairless and tail-less monkeys who think very highly of themselves.
jokes on you, I don't think highly of myself at all
Jokes on you, I don't think of myself at all
I think therefor, monke
Wow that must be nice
Hairless? Have you ever been to Caucasus? 😌
I’m Chewbacca third cousin on his Mexican side, they call me Chuy
don't let vegeta read this
Some people try to argue we aren’t animals. So self aware and yet so not.
If you observe a horde of baboons in the wild, and then look at the behaviour of your colleagues at work, you are going to recognize a startling amount of similarities. Of course most physical interaction is replaced by the verbal, but the dynamics and patterns are amazingly relatable. Yes, we are just hairless monkeys who learned a trick.
A lot more public sex in front of everyone though I have to say
Depends where you work
I thought you said balloons in the wild, and I was so very confused.
Because we forget we are animals and that we are a part of nature. I think it is unhealthy, not to say we need to go live in the wild or act differently, but because we desperately need a new relationship with nature, and I think psychology would be helpful with how narcissistic our world has become. I had to take environmental history for my history major, I wasn't looking forward to it, especially with how many different approaches for such a class. I ended up adoring it, my professor took the approach of prehistory to modernity, showing the timeline of us removing ourselves from nature and a lot of different ideas here and there. It ended up being one of my favorites and most impactful.
You also pick at kitten's buttholes?
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Yeah my buddy refuses to lick his butthole clean so I have to use a wet paper towel smh
We are animals.
If you haven't been in close proximity to monkeys/apes and seen them interact, you definitely should some time. It's uncanny how similar they are in their behaviors as we are.
Any animal that evolved from another is considered to be in the same clade, so by that calculation, humans are still bony fish, and whatever type of animal gave birth to those. I think placoderms. And you can go back all the way to a hypothetical "last universal common ancestor" or LUCA that is the ancestor of all life on Earth, and a "first universal common ancestor" or FUCA that would be the ancestor of LUCA and a bunch of other possible forms of life that didn't make it.
Yup. Lol
I don’t trust monkeys! One second nice as pie then something sets them off and that kitten is missing its face.
My brain is right alongside with you, this was a very cute interaction but holy CRAP I was waiting for something bad to happen....
it’s always “this thing is so cute” then “you accidentally scratched me so i’m throwing you off a cliff”
I think it's good our brains sputter off the warnings, cause monkeys can go ape shit, quick. THIS interaction was cute though!
It looked shady as he'll when the monkey scooped her up and walked off
Macaques "Mothers" are very caring. They even adopt orphans in their tribe. So this particular kitten is completely safe. It's always the male ones that are dangerous.
Good to know. Less chance of random scalping (my introduction to the idea that monkeys go from 0 to 100 real fast).
Tbh the scalping everyone knows of happened when that monkey was on benzodiazepines and kept in a human household
It sounds like you're talking about the chimpanzee that ate that poor woman's face and hands. Monkeys just kinda randomly scalp people all on their own, for funsies. [NSFW obviously, this is a video of a monkey scalping some guy.(for funsies)](https://youtu.be/DMj3b0Bbdo0)
Testosterone is a motherfucker... Literally, I suppose
“Always” is outright false. Males are absolutely more dangerous as they are larger and more aggressive. But to say female macaques are literally never dangerous is doing a disservice to truth. It’s a wild animal, and is completely capable of doing harm. And while this kitten is probably fine, it is by no means “completely safe.” This is, again, a wild animal. It could respond negatively to a plethora of things and end up hurting this kitten. Let’s ease up on the confident spreading of misinformation.
Cats aren't completely safe around humans. I'd argue the depths of depravity human stoop to is much worse.
Was looking for this comment. Everyone debating on how quickly the monkey could’ve turned, which isn’t wrong but I’ve seen humans do worse shit to cats.
I play checkers with lady monkeys on sundays can confirm they are always kind
One, I said Mother macaques, not female macaques. two, I've lived my whole life quite near to family of monkeys. probably about 100 monkeys. And it's always Juveniles and Male monkeys who cause problems. Mother Macaques carrying baby NEVER fight for obvious reasons. They will scream and yell but won't engage in altercation. And if they take liking to kittens or puppies then they take care of them too. three, Not every statement has to be made Lawyer proof. If you wanna be pedantic be my my guest.
I was getting nervous when it kept going for the cats eyes 🙃
When he went for the bum I was very alarmed
That was just basic cleaning protocol for mammals.
Kitten looks like it is recovered from an eye infection, a common problem for kittens. Monkey was picking at the crust.
It's because it's infected, red, and swollen. It's actually trying to clean it.
Not all monkeys and apes are like chimps.
Hell, not even Bonobos are like chimps, and they are LIKE chimps.
Chimps give orangutans, bonobos, and gorillas a bad name. Chimps are terrifying.
better than apes, from what I've seen, chimps tend to be the violent ones, old world monkeys otoh aren't as strong or crazy.
Monkeys, macaques especially, kill people in India frequently. They chased a government official off his balcony.
That’s what I’m sayin! Cute, sure. Dangerous, unhinged and unpredictable? Yep.
I've seen how monkeys treat dogs they have as pets (yes, thats a thing. They keep dogs around). I wish i didnt know. I was very scared for this kitten
That would be a Chimpanzee sir. These are Macaque monkeys. Although they are known to have a gang culture, they are very soft hearted animals. I grew up around them. They are seen as divine beings, hence why soo much of them roam Hindu Temples and other holy pilgrimage spots for Hindus.
That monkey showed how I feel every time my cat curls up in my arms. It felt like a basic feeling passed down from our common ancestors as I watched this.
Do animals like monkeys think some animals look cute and also have a similar response to their cuteness as we do?
I don't know the english term, but there is a certain pattern of how young animals (including humans) look that make them cute (big eyes, big paws, small mouths, this stuff). Works regardless of species. Which is why we feel the need to protect puppies and kittens just like human babies. Since the pattern is pretty universal among mammals and since it helps us protect our young, I assume every species reacts to it in some way. So this monkey is very likely to think that the kitten is cute.
Interesting to consider what goes on in the monkey’s mind without language to actually label it as being “cute”. I can think of ways that I think without using language, like abstract problem solving, imagining a shape, or a color, or what something would feel like before I do it. But language is interspersed with all those thoughts, or when the thought is finished then I automatically apply language to it, which makes me further categorize it and compare it to things. But the monkey is just having this very raw experience of the kitten in comparison. Not sure what I’m getting at, just fascinating to think about what their consciousness is really like.
I'm not sure how science would prove it, but that's absolutely what I thought. It's an instinctual thing that many mammals have, is how I think about it, from what I've read or heard.
Something tells me that it’s not a good idea for the monkey to “keep” that kitten. Sure, THIS interaction is cute, but I hope someone intervened and the cat is safe and sound.
Yeah. Monkeys are known to steal small animals like kittens, puppies, or even smaller species of other monkeys and keep them as their “pets”. Being a monkeys “pet” involves being carried around and poked at all day with no access to proper food or water. :( I also hope someone intervened.
I know some humans that are exactly like those monkeys you mentioned
Human = Monkey Aliens would just consider us to be advanced monkeys
Afaik Macaques mothers are very well tempered. This situation in particular doesn't look dangerous. I doubt the monkey would keep the cat eithet way tho
Yup, even if the monkey is being really gentle, it will bring the kitten up on trees and buildings. I’ve seen kittens fall from great heights…..
We had a female monkey at the mini zoo in our village when I was a kid. Very similar looking monkey, only black. We loved each other unconditionally. She used to take care of me the same way this monkey is doing to the kitten. I came to visit her 2-3 times a week with vegetables she liked. It was 30+ years ago, I still love you Kati 🐒❤️
This gives me anxiety...
At first I though, "that monkey is making some weird faces and sounds at the kitten." Then I remembered all the weird sounds and faces I make at kittens...
She/he understood the assignment "This is mine now"
I was so nervous the monkey was gonna accidently hurt it.
Care and comfort is not species limited.
I love cats, especially r/Catswithjobs , Zookeeping is the calling of this little one
Is the kitten safe with the macaque?
In the short term, likely. The lip smacking it was doing was basically a sign of it saying ‘I mean you no harm/I am not a threat’. In the long term, no. Outcomes range from it not knowing the needs of this kitten to keep it alive at best to this monkey or others around it getting curious about how long the kitten’s intestines are at worst.
No.
It is safe, for now...
OMG. This is so lovely to watch 😍
Anddd now that's your cat, macaque! I love how he pushes his face into the kitten. We get it, dude. Samesies. Enjoy your first cat. It's a lot of work.
As cute as this may look, the kitten will die. Animals don't know what other animals eat. The kitten will starve, unless the macaque lets it out of its sight in time so it can get away and catch some bugs, mice, or other small animals.
Macaque is not normally this gentle to pussies
I got really scared at first because I also follow the natureismetal sub. I'm really glad it wasn't that sub lol.
Might look cute but that could have ended horrible in 1 sec. Fuck the person who placed the kitten there.
I would not trust a monkey with a cat.
What kind of sick fuck stages a kitten in front of a monkey for clicks? Could have gone horribly wrong
These sort of things generally don’t happen naturally. Normally the cameraperson obtains the small animal then takes it to the predator. Then they proceed to film them whilst the predator investigates and works out whether it is food or not. And they normally do realise they are food. And the creator is MONKEYCLIPS2024. No way in hell this isn’t staged, and he had no idea how the monkey would react initially.
This monkey will torture the kitten by dragging it everywhere. As for me, this picture is not sentimental at all, as such monkeys are very nasty and harmful.
How can we be sure he's not going to eat him?
Friggin cute.
She just like me for real
I wish someone would hold me like this!
Macaques are one of the most violent monkeys out there, I'm glad nothing happened to the kitten
Torn between super cute and monkeys scare me
Then he ate him