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unspecified00000

seen this sentiment in the comments a few times so im gonna leave this here "but vegvisir isnt a norse pagan symbol" yes it is. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be historically pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them. ownership has changed hands over time and thats perfectly fine, its ours now. stop shitting on others for using these symbols.


Sick_sad_world_still

It looks beautiful and it’s well made, you must be very happy


Infamous_Effective28

I'm honestly so fucking tired of people shitting on other people's tattoos or runes or hammers. "Ummm AcTuAlLy tHaTs NoT AcCuRaTe". Cool let's see your ink. Have you researched your tattoo? How much? Put it up for us to tear apart.


nootnootpotatosuit

Exactly!! I'm seeing people in these comments shit on OP for what they chose, but c'mon let them be happy! The tattoo looks super cool and I'd be happy to get one, we're a small community as it is, let's not gatekeep what may symbolize us. OP it looks awesome :)


Titus03

I don’t understand why people think it’s okay to toxic, rude and degrading to others. Why can’t we apply to same social interactions we have in irl here on social media. On the side note to OP nice tattoo.


Chloemmunro98

I love it! It looks perfect in that placement. The artist did phenomenal work


DemihumansWereAClass

it looks good, but it's very similar to about 1.000.000 other tattoos. But the most important thing is that you like it. Never let anyone tell you what to put on your body.


anon2019L

Looks dope


CrusaderUniversalis

Great stuff. I've been considering getting a large Yggdrasil tattoo done on my back, or perhaps Jörmungandr.


Tom_53

The Yggdrasil idea sounds awesome! Now, honest question... A lot of people listen to music when tattooing. What album would you put on for an Yggdrasil tatoo? For me, I'd say, I'd put on Runaljod- Yggdrasil by Wardruna.


CrusaderUniversalis

I'd probably put on some Heilung for that.


BloodSpawnDevil

Cool.😎 🤘


elerozin

like it


astarredbard

Very very nice. Are you a lefty?


nomadaboi

Na but every time I think of getting one on my right it looks weird


Puzzleheaded_Copy_3x

Dang that's a beautiful tattoo :)


Sharpiemancer

I really like the clean geometry of it, nice blend of ageless and modern.


skeld_leifsson

The (in)famous icelandic ice cream cone. Have you done some research before getting tattooed?


NocturnalTarot

They *never* research these things before getting tattooed.


Infamous_Effective28

Let's see your ink?


Irish_Guac

What?


No_Username82621

What does that even mean?


BloodSpawnDevil

It means to see your tattoo.


Irish_Guac

They edited it, it was some incoherent shit originally "Lets see your" or something like that


harpinghawke

Ice cream cone? Do you have time to elaborate? 👀


AgileInitial5987

It looks like an icecream cone 🤷🏼‍♂️


skeld_leifsson

Yes, it looks like an ice cream cone. The lines (whatever they are supposed to represent...) are the cone, the Vegvisir is the ice cream. These kind of tattoo are among the firsts when you look for viking tattoo in Google, even if almost nothing is viking and it's more a cultural appropriaton than anything else...


harpinghawke

Ohhh, okay! I thought there was something about the Vegvisir’s (sparse) history I was missing, haha


Deep_Donkey_5712

Not to mention the clear Tolkien quote written with elder futhark.


Infamous_Effective28

Love it, clean lines, good spacing, not cramped or confused. It's clearly Norse Pagan, and it stands out. Apart from all that, Do You Like It ? If you do then that's all that matters.


DemihumansWereAClass

the Vegevisir is not Norse pagan, its an Icelandic Christian symbol but ok


Gothi_Grimwulff

It's as Christian as the Goetia. Not at all and still considered heresy. It's a blend of multiple traditions of It's day, a folk magic practice. With Nordic influences as well as Christian. Not belonging wholly to either. This purity crap is rampant on this thread. It's disheartening.


Infamous_Effective28

No one here is Pagan or Norse Pagan. We are all Neo Pagan, new age, we have to rediscover our heathenry. Our Pagan roots where covered up by Christians. So Icelandic Christians shared a lot with Pagans. So if it is 100% accurate who honestly cares. It's a norse symbol drived from Icelandic Christianity inspired by norse paganism.


TruckStopChicken

Agreed, and I imagine OP didn't do a lot of research (though if it looks cool, and you like it, who cares!). But, wouldn't any form of witchcraft and sorcery fall under the traditional definition of pagan, plus it's Icelandic so it is Norse.


unspecified00000

>Vegvisir is not Norse pagan yes it is. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them


beatdownkioskman

Vegvisir looks cool but it’s not got anything to do with our religion


Gothi_Grimwulff

Untrue. It's a form of folk magic. Magic that is a combination of local and dominant beliefs. It's likely influenced by several different medieval trends in esoteric practices, including pervious Nordic ones. Not Arch Heathen era, but still connected and part of the history.


Deep_Donkey_5712

So how do you explain the Tolkien quote in the tattoo?


Gothi_Grimwulff

It's not my body. Idgaf if someone puts a Pinterest tattoo on themselves. Maybe worry less about what other people choose to do with their own bodies?


Deep_Donkey_5712

I sense a lot of hostility in you. Have you tried breathing?


Gothi_Grimwulff

I sense great Trollness in you. Have you tried thinking for yourself instead of getting offended when someone points out a weird thing you did?


Deep_Donkey_5712

Ahh, but your senses deceive you, young padawan. There be no trolls here. It takes a lot more than your gaslighting to offend me 😂


Gothi_Grimwulff

I can see your post history and the mod log. You have a history of Trolling. Looks like we banned you for a Grith violation at one point too.


Deep_Donkey_5712

Yeah, a few years back when a link to a shop wasnt shown on my phone, and I thought a person was begging money. A thing that I personally apologized to the other part for. Trolling? Nah, I just speak my mind, not really my problem if people are to sensitive. Trolling is not a thing I waste my time with. I would like to see what you think is trolling? Or are you just trying to silence people who wont agree with you?


Gothi_Grimwulff

You can disagree all you want. But petty insults are another matter. They're not even good insults. If you're gonna be a jackass at least be entertaining. My biggest worry now is you seem to have a history of this purity mentality. Defending mythic literalism and a very "Don't let my mash potatoes touch the peas" mentality. Solidified by your opinions expressed here. Which actually goes against our inclusivity rule, as we try not to discriminate against beliefs. Though tbf, I'm wondering if that needs its own rule for clarification. Obviously, if beliefs are harmful, like mythic literalism or purity culture, that's an intolerance we can not tolerate.


HellaVolsung

Well done, but I have seen that same tattoo done in a studio I worked in. Nothing inherently wrong with having the same tattoo as other folks, but it's a thing we are taught to avoid if we can. I will tell you that in traditional rune spelling double runes are avoided, but that is the old way...we can use them however we please. It looks to me like some American cyber viking stuff, which has it's own charm


Buckaruin

Idc what anyone says. That tattoo is sick as hell. I hope you don't let the purists get you down.


Flight_Negative

Sadly I’ll be the jerk to say it this is a copy and paste google search tattoo and I can’t wrap my head around why anyone wouldn’t do any research behind the symbols involved in the art work let alone the runic transliteration “not all who wander are lost” is not something I’d be posting on a paganism sub expecting praise specifically for accuracy. While it is a nicely done tattoo in the line work and artwork aspects, I think the subject could’ve been way more original if given some thought and study.


Doctor_Dangerous

It looks cool and the line work looks well done. Don't worry about the contrarians. If you like it, own it. It's good to be able to explain your tattoo and why you have it so just be prepared to answer questions. Most people will be curious, other heathens may have opinions about it but if it speaks to you and the gods it doesn't really matter what their opinion is. At the end of the day, the only straight translations we have of the old stories were passed down by Christians. Norse paganism today is not like it was 1500 years ago and I'd say that's probably a good thing. We're all neo-pagans as much as people don't want to hear that. Our beliefs are all very personal so enjoy your tattoo and may Odin keep an ever watchful eye on your path.


Scared-Comparison870

Why did you use elder runes to spell out English words? If you’re using an (modern) Icelandic symbol you should have translated into Icelandic or old Norse and used younger or AS runes.


Gothi_Grimwulff

Probably because it's for religious reasons, not anachronistic reenactment. If you're trying to create an SCA persona, it should be period accurate. If you're doing something for religious reasons, it doesn't need to be bound to a time period.


Irish_Guac

The issue is that this person asked for opinions and we're giving them. No one is talking about "purity" and no one is showing whatever true colors you're talking about. Sounds like you're accusing some of us of being nazis in a couple other comments, which is what really violates the grith of this sub. I know you are very capable of having a civil conversation without throwing insults and accusations, because we have multiple times. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just got heated.


Gothi_Grimwulff

Not at all. However, we often don't understand what supremacist ideas are present in the overculture. The urge to judge something based on their religion not being pure enough is more of a Christian purity culture than fascist. Part of deconstruction is understanding this subtle influence. Now, purity culture does overlap with fascist ideals, and specific to Heathenry, there's a history. But it's less about being an actual nazi and more about not understanding influences from the Christian overculture. These are subtle things that influence us all, and unless we understand them to break them down, they'll always be there. It's kind of like the idea of idolatry or heresy within Christianity. How some denominations will go so far as to exclude holidays as "too pagan" or "unchristian". It's basically the "keep Christ in Christmas" of Paganism. Now, had everyone said "maybe don't get a mass produced ice cream cone off Pinterest" I wouldn't upvoted the shit out of it.


Irish_Guac

None of that applies here. There's no issue with explaining to someone how the runes were meant to be used, especially when they asked for opinions. This has nothing to do with purity culture, and we aren't making it seem like heresy or blasphemy. But yes, no one should be getting the icelandic ice cream cone tattoo


Gothi_Grimwulff

>There's no issue with explaining to someone how the runes were meant to be used We don't have enough evidence for a prescribed use of Runes. >This has nothing to do with purity culture Except for all the purity tests. Particularly the "don't use folk magic with christian influence" stuff. When it's highly likely that Galdrastafir has influence from previous traditions. >and we aren't making it seem like heresy or blasphemy. Except the "you're doing it wrong" police are doing exactly that.


Irish_Guac

"Except for all the purity tests. Particularly the "don't use folk magic with christian influence" stuff. When it's highly likely that Galdrastafir has influence from previous traditions." (I don't know how to do that blue quote thing you're doing) If that's what you're talking about, then I agree, my mistake. I don't think there's a need to draw a line between pre-christianization folk magic and post-chistianization folk magic.


Gothi_Grimwulff

You do the less than symbol > or you can select what you want in the text you're replying to and a quote option comes up


Irish_Guac

Ok cool, thanks


Scared-Comparison870

That doesn’t sound very honorable. Go touch grass


Gothi_Grimwulff

Neither does violating the Grith of this sub. But quoting a NNV at me when that wasn't relevant to the conversation shows your true colors. You're not about historical accuracy, you're about *ze purity of ze faith*


BloodSpawnDevil

Why translate it if you speak English? I wouldn't use younger Elder looks cooler. And the letters almost are 1:1 to English letters so it's easy to decipher. Elder and English is the right choice IMO.


Scared-Comparison870

The letters are not 1:1. What are you even talking about?


BloodSpawnDevil

I'm talking about the letters of each alphabet having equivalents. What aren't you understanding?


Scared-Comparison870

That’s literally not how runes work.


BloodSpawnDevil

I don't think people care. They transliterate. Just on basic understanding. They don't find someone with years of knowledge nobody else on earth understands and they'd need a history paper to understand. Vikings are realists. Just take something like this image and make a cool tatoo. Good enough. Why be so pedantic when it's just meaning for yourself and to explain to friends. Who cares about historical accuracy? Now is now. https://preview.redd.it/qvrdbckv4prc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7567ffeef18c403d3b3f74d5e76bf25aa48be5ae


Scared-Comparison870

Good thing I’m not trying to be a Viking 🙄🥱


BloodSpawnDevil

you are a good troll


Scared-Comparison870

I’m not trolling, you just don’t know what you’re talking about or your 14.


BloodSpawnDevil

still trolling


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Gothi_Grimwulff

Apparently you are. Why else would you use reenactment standards?


DemihumansWereAClass

why do you care?


Irish_Guac

They literally fucking asked for opinions. They gave their opinion. Wtf dude


DemihumansWereAClass

telling someone how they must do a thing is not an opinion


Scared-Comparison870

It’s literally how it works….


DemihumansWereAClass

where is it written? show me something in print that says you cannot do what he did?


Scared-Comparison870

I mean you can google writing with runes there are a few sub reddits about the use of them and there’s a plethora of information and historical documentation of how they were used. They’re not just some shit someone came up with in the 19th century for “magical” use, they are a historical form of writing.


DemihumansWereAClass

I know, but at it's root they are just letters. Let him do what he wants. Besides it's too late now


Scared-Comparison870

They’re not letters, They’re sounds.


BloodSpawnDevil

can you fix the totally inaccurate wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_Futhark so I can understand what you are even rambling about?


Irish_Guac

Actually yeah, you're right. Not an opinion. Informing someone of the linguistic issues of using Elder Futhark runes with English is just stating an objective fact.


DemihumansWereAClass

I did not realise there was any rules as to how you can use what amounts to letters. Could you give me the reference where that is written?


Irish_Guac

Elder Futhark literally does not work well with English. It's just a fact. There's no reason to be having this argument


DemihumansWereAClass

and yet here we are :)


Gothi_Grimwulff

I spell things in English with Elder all the time. No issues


Gothi_Grimwulff

The problem is this "linguistic opinion" is valid for reenactment not reconstruction. A religion shouldn't be bound by a time period


Irish_Guac

It's not reconstruction if you don't respect the history of any of this. There are literally people in this post saying that it doesn't matter because we aren't "Norse Pagan", we're "neo pagan", slapping labels on everything. It's honestly all pretty sad. Also, OP asked for opinions. We are free to educate people.


Scared-Comparison870

It should be bound by respect to the history of the culture. Unless you’re practicing something from the 19th century that doesn’t really have anything to do with paganism. I guess whatever the pinned comment has to say about folk magic can hold true but I think most of that shit was made up for profiteering off of the boom in occultism


Gothi_Grimwulff

Firstly, Galdrabók comes from the 1600's, not 1800s. It was a medieval Grimoire in the same era as the Goetia and other esoteric texts. Something you'd know if you weren't obsessed with lore purity. Second, the capitalist profeteering you're talking about comes much later. Obviously, Victorian spiritualism was a huge problem, then later Stephen Flowers wrote his own Galdrabók, not unlike Crowley writing his own Goetia. But that's much later. And 3rd, folk magic won't show us exactly what came before, but does show remnants. Evidence left behind that carried forward. >should be bound by respect to the history I agree. So maybe actually study the history.


Scared-Comparison870

Because that culturally and historically ignorant and inaccurate.


Deep_Donkey_5712

You do not have to translate it to old norse or Icelandic. Basically any nordic language (not counting Finnish or Greenland) will work perfectly well with the younger futhark.


Reek0705

💯


Prapaly

I was thinking of getting a 3rd tattoo in honor of freya since I’m all about love and youthfulness. Just gotta figure out what


14CrAcKeR88

Love it


Far_Shallot_1551

Nice ink! I prefer lots of colour myself Perhaps the tree of life in full bloom colour on the other arm would be more subtle.


Vivid-Safe-7476

Dooooooope 🤩


Historical-Spray757

Everyone loves a good snow cone 🤙


notme690p

The viking icecream cone! Well executed anyway


Norseman-71

Unoriginal I've seen this tattoo at least 20 times. So many other things you could use..


nomadaboi

Womp womp


Seratonin_Syndrome99

This is probably the most copied tattoo on google lol


CrusaderUniversalis

So?


DanielHoestan

This is a trollopost right? Vegvisir ain’t Norse pagan…


GrumpyTitan-77

I went to my tattoo artist with a design I made... Vegvisir, Helm of Awe, Web of Wyrd and the berserker symbol. And my son's name written phonetically in younger futhark. The first question he asked was if I knew those weren't historically accurate. I told him yes, I knew that, but they meant something to me individually. That's a tattoo. Something that means something to someone.


BloodSpawnDevil

I agree. It symbolizes a compass and is common and known today. Don't let others dogmatism change your ever changing understanding. Your understanding with eyes wide open and accepting of today will be more accurate than dogmatism. Stay pragmatic 🤘.


BloodSpawnDevil

In addition it's a great filter... I don't like dogmatic people 😈.


Deep_Donkey_5712

The Berserker symbol, as in the one from the anime?


GrumpyTitan-77

Yup. I love that symbol. I have it on my motorcycle helmet. Twice


Deep_Donkey_5712

Totally fair! If you love it, you love it 🤘 It is also a well made symbol.


Gothi_Grimwulff

>the berserker symbol Can't believe I didn't catch this... there is no Berserkr symbol. There's a Berserk Anime symbol [I go more in depth here](https://youtu.be/ivXy-muQCYQ)


Gothi_Grimwulff

Yes it is. It's a form of folk magic. A blending of multiple traditions by the common people. It's got several influences, including Norse and Christian. Voodoo is actually similar. This purity lore lawyer stuff is rampant on here. Who is teaching this bs?


unspecified00000

>Vegvisir ain’t Norse pagan… yes it is. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them


Satiharupink

Looks good but if you start reading... Uhmm... It's actually new English with replaced rune letters. Not the right pronunciation. But i get it's difficult if you're mother tongue is english


WombatAnnihilator

Ok


ChristianMingle_

sadly, the helm of aw/ vagvisir has nothing to do with paganism


unspecified00000

they are norse pagan symbols. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them


Gothi_Grimwulff

>nothing to do with norse paganism Except that it's a historical remnant of Icelands pagan past blended with the Christian overculture of their day. So actually it does have something to do with Norse Paganism. A very important something.


ChristianMingle_

That’s not a good something that Christianization of paganism was awful??


Gothi_Grimwulff

It's not so much Christianization as it is syncratism. It's a chimeric blending of traditions. In part because Paganism didn't just die out. It slowly faded into the magic of the common people


holy-shit-batman

Neat art, i like the piece. None of it has any direct line to norse paganism. But again i think it's a neat piece so don't take it as an attack.


CoraNailo

I love it I got plans for one like that too


ulfhedinnnnn

its not a pagan symbol edit: as a Icelander I find it really weird people in the comments are claiming my nations historical symbols from the 19th century for something it doesn’t stand for


Gothi_Grimwulff

>its not a pagan symbol Yes it is. It's what's referred to as "folk magic". A blending of multiple traditions including Nordic Paganism and the dominant Christian overculture of their day. >as a Icelander Appeal to authority fallacy. Your relative proximity does give you some insight but not unquestionable authority. >historical symbols from the 19th century 15th century, actually. See, you don't even know your own history. The first galdrbok was written sometime in the 1600s. Galdr, as I hope you're aware of, means something like "magic spell" with a possible etymological link to "yell" or "chant". Refering to the spoken word. Another link to likely being connected to an older tradition is Galdralag, or magic spell meter. A type of repetitive poetry that may have links to how spells were written. Maybe before you walk around with this purity hammer, you actually do research?


ulfhedinnnnn

>Its “folk magic” Yes exactly, it’s Icelandic “folk magic” which is a tradition that has influences from Norse mythology, but is a completely separate thing. Christian entities and ideas are prevalent in early and late modern era Icelandic “folk magic” manuscripts. >Appeal to authority I’m not claiming I am the ultimate authority on this subject lol. Also fallacy fallacy >Its older then the 19th century Find me a source that shows that the Vegvísir symbol that dates before the 19th century. Scholars have unanimously agreed that the oldest source for the symbol comes from the Huld manuscript dated to the year 1860. The oldest galdrabók (Icelandic socery book) dates to the 16th century, but the Vegvísir symbol appears much later (during the national romantic era in Iceland)


Gothi_Grimwulff

>Yes exactly, it’s Icelandic “folk magic” which is a tradition that has influences from Norse mythology, >but is a completely separate thing. Which is it? Influenced or completely separate? You contradict yourself in one sentence


ulfhedinnnnn

Let me give you an analogy on how a thing can both be influenced by something and be separate from the thing it was influenced by. Rock music was influenced by blues, but rock music is a separate music genre then blues Surrealism as an art movement was influenced by the earlier Dadaist movement, but was a separate art movement.


Gothi_Grimwulff

And... they share a history that can be and has been blended by modern musicians. My problem is your absolutism. It's not wholly separate. Two different eras, yes. But it's not completely separate. They're connected. And to better understand one you can learn from the other


TenspeedGV

Norse pagans use it. Deal with it.