seen this sentiment in the comments a few times so im gonna leave this here
"but vegvisir isnt a norse pagan symbol"
yes it is. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be historically pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them. ownership has changed hands over time and thats perfectly fine, its ours now. stop shitting on others for using these symbols.
I'm honestly so fucking tired of people shitting on other people's tattoos or runes or hammers. "Ummm AcTuAlLy tHaTs NoT AcCuRaTe".
Cool let's see your ink. Have you researched your tattoo? How much? Put it up for us to tear apart.
Exactly!! I'm seeing people in these comments shit on OP for what they chose, but c'mon let them be happy! The tattoo looks super cool and I'd be happy to get one, we're a small community as it is, let's not gatekeep what may symbolize us. OP it looks awesome :)
I don’t understand why people think it’s okay to toxic, rude and degrading to others. Why can’t we apply to same social interactions we have in irl here on social media. On the side note to OP nice tattoo.
it looks good, but it's very similar to about 1.000.000 other tattoos. But the most important thing is that you like it. Never let anyone tell you what to put on your body.
The Yggdrasil idea sounds awesome! Now, honest question... A lot of people listen to music when tattooing. What album would you put on for an Yggdrasil tatoo? For me, I'd say, I'd put on Runaljod- Yggdrasil by Wardruna.
Yes, it looks like an ice cream cone. The lines (whatever they are supposed to represent...) are the cone, the Vegvisir is the ice cream.
These kind of tattoo are among the firsts when you look for viking tattoo in Google, even if almost nothing is viking and it's more a cultural appropriaton than anything else...
Love it, clean lines, good spacing, not cramped or confused. It's clearly Norse Pagan, and it stands out. Apart from all that, Do You Like It ? If you do then that's all that matters.
It's as Christian as the Goetia. Not at all and still considered heresy.
It's a blend of multiple traditions of It's day, a folk magic practice. With Nordic influences as well as Christian. Not belonging wholly to either.
This purity crap is rampant on this thread. It's disheartening.
No one here is Pagan or Norse Pagan. We are all Neo Pagan, new age, we have to rediscover our heathenry. Our Pagan roots where covered up by Christians. So Icelandic Christians shared a lot with Pagans. So if it is 100% accurate who honestly cares. It's a norse symbol drived from Icelandic Christianity inspired by norse paganism.
Agreed, and I imagine OP didn't do a lot of research (though if it looks cool, and you like it, who cares!). But, wouldn't any form of witchcraft and sorcery fall under the traditional definition of pagan, plus it's Icelandic so it is Norse.
>Vegvisir is not Norse pagan
yes it is. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them
Untrue. It's a form of folk magic. Magic that is a combination of local and dominant beliefs. It's likely influenced by several different medieval trends in esoteric practices, including pervious Nordic ones.
Not Arch Heathen era, but still connected and part of the history.
Yeah, a few years back when a link to a shop wasnt shown on my phone, and I thought a person was begging money.
A thing that I personally apologized to the other part for.
Trolling? Nah, I just speak my mind, not really my problem if people are to sensitive.
Trolling is not a thing I waste my time with.
I would like to see what you think is trolling?
Or are you just trying to silence people who wont agree with you?
You can disagree all you want. But petty insults are another matter. They're not even good insults. If you're gonna be a jackass at least be entertaining.
My biggest worry now is you seem to have a history of this purity mentality. Defending mythic literalism and a very "Don't let my mash potatoes touch the peas" mentality. Solidified by your opinions expressed here. Which actually goes against our inclusivity rule, as we try not to discriminate against beliefs. Though tbf, I'm wondering if that needs its own rule for clarification. Obviously, if beliefs are harmful, like mythic literalism or purity culture, that's an intolerance we can not tolerate.
Well done, but I have seen that same tattoo done in a studio I worked in. Nothing inherently wrong with having the same tattoo as other folks, but it's a thing we are taught to avoid if we can. I will tell you that in traditional rune spelling double runes are avoided, but that is the old way...we can use them however we please. It looks to me like some American cyber viking stuff, which has it's own charm
Sadly I’ll be the jerk to say it this is a copy and paste google search tattoo and I can’t wrap my head around why anyone wouldn’t do any research behind the symbols involved in the art work let alone the runic transliteration “not all who wander are lost” is not something I’d be posting on a paganism sub expecting praise specifically for accuracy.
While it is a nicely done tattoo in the line work and artwork aspects, I think the subject could’ve been way more original if given some thought and study.
It looks cool and the line work looks well done. Don't worry about the contrarians. If you like it, own it. It's good to be able to explain your tattoo and why you have it so just be prepared to answer questions. Most people will be curious, other heathens may have opinions about it but if it speaks to you and the gods it doesn't really matter what their opinion is. At the end of the day, the only straight translations we have of the old stories were passed down by Christians.
Norse paganism today is not like it was 1500 years ago and I'd say that's probably a good thing. We're all neo-pagans as much as people don't want to hear that. Our beliefs are all very personal so enjoy your tattoo and may Odin keep an ever watchful eye on your path.
Why did you use elder runes to spell out English words? If you’re using an (modern) Icelandic symbol you should have translated into Icelandic or old Norse and used younger or AS runes.
Probably because it's for religious reasons, not anachronistic reenactment. If you're trying to create an SCA persona, it should be period accurate. If you're doing something for religious reasons, it doesn't need to be bound to a time period.
The issue is that this person asked for opinions and we're giving them. No one is talking about "purity" and no one is showing whatever true colors you're talking about.
Sounds like you're accusing some of us of being nazis in a couple other comments, which is what really violates the grith of this sub. I know you are very capable of having a civil conversation without throwing insults and accusations, because we have multiple times. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just got heated.
Not at all. However, we often don't understand what supremacist ideas are present in the overculture. The urge to judge something based on their religion not being pure enough is more of a Christian purity culture than fascist. Part of deconstruction is understanding this subtle influence.
Now, purity culture does overlap with fascist ideals, and specific to Heathenry, there's a history. But it's less about being an actual nazi and more about not understanding influences from the Christian overculture. These are subtle things that influence us all, and unless we understand them to break them down, they'll always be there.
It's kind of like the idea of idolatry or heresy within Christianity. How some denominations will go so far as to exclude holidays as "too pagan" or "unchristian". It's basically the "keep Christ in Christmas" of Paganism.
Now, had everyone said "maybe don't get a mass produced ice cream cone off Pinterest" I wouldn't upvoted the shit out of it.
None of that applies here. There's no issue with explaining to someone how the runes were meant to be used, especially when they asked for opinions. This has nothing to do with purity culture, and we aren't making it seem like heresy or blasphemy.
But yes, no one should be getting the icelandic ice cream cone tattoo
>There's no issue with explaining to someone how the runes were meant to be used
We don't have enough evidence for a prescribed use of Runes.
>This has nothing to do with purity culture
Except for all the purity tests. Particularly the "don't use folk magic with christian influence" stuff. When it's highly likely that Galdrastafir has influence from previous traditions.
>and we aren't making it seem like heresy or blasphemy.
Except the "you're doing it wrong" police are doing exactly that.
"Except for all the purity tests. Particularly the "don't use folk magic with christian influence" stuff. When it's highly likely that Galdrastafir has influence from previous traditions."
(I don't know how to do that blue quote thing you're doing)
If that's what you're talking about, then I agree, my mistake. I don't think there's a need to draw a line between pre-christianization folk magic and post-chistianization folk magic.
Neither does violating the Grith of this sub. But quoting a NNV at me when that wasn't relevant to the conversation shows your true colors. You're not about historical accuracy, you're about *ze purity of ze faith*
Why translate it if you speak English? I wouldn't use younger Elder looks cooler. And the letters almost are 1:1 to English letters so it's easy to decipher. Elder and English is the right choice IMO.
I don't think people care. They transliterate. Just on basic understanding. They don't find someone with years of knowledge nobody else on earth understands and they'd need a history paper to understand.
Vikings are realists. Just take something like this image and make a cool tatoo. Good enough. Why be so pedantic when it's just meaning for yourself and to explain to friends. Who cares about historical accuracy? Now is now.
https://preview.redd.it/qvrdbckv4prc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7567ffeef18c403d3b3f74d5e76bf25aa48be5ae
I mean you can google writing with runes there are a few sub reddits about the use of them and there’s a plethora of information and historical documentation of how they were used. They’re not just some shit someone came up with in the 19th century for “magical” use, they are a historical form of writing.
Actually yeah, you're right. Not an opinion. Informing someone of the linguistic issues of using Elder Futhark runes with English is just stating an objective fact.
It's not reconstruction if you don't respect the history of any of this. There are literally people in this post saying that it doesn't matter because we aren't "Norse Pagan", we're "neo pagan", slapping labels on everything. It's honestly all pretty sad.
Also, OP asked for opinions. We are free to educate people.
It should be bound by respect to the history of the culture. Unless you’re practicing something from the 19th century that doesn’t really have anything to do with paganism. I guess whatever the pinned comment has to say about folk magic can hold true but I think most of that shit was made up for profiteering off of the boom in occultism
Firstly, Galdrabók comes from the 1600's, not 1800s. It was a medieval Grimoire in the same era as the Goetia and other esoteric texts. Something you'd know if you weren't obsessed with lore purity.
Second, the capitalist profeteering you're talking about comes much later. Obviously, Victorian spiritualism was a huge problem, then later Stephen Flowers wrote his own Galdrabók, not unlike Crowley writing his own Goetia. But that's much later.
And 3rd, folk magic won't show us exactly what came before, but does show remnants. Evidence left behind that carried forward.
>should be bound by respect to the history
I agree. So maybe actually study the history.
You do not have to translate it to old norse or Icelandic.
Basically any nordic language (not counting Finnish or Greenland) will work perfectly well with the younger futhark.
I went to my tattoo artist with a design I made...
Vegvisir, Helm of Awe, Web of Wyrd and the berserker symbol. And my son's name written phonetically in younger futhark.
The first question he asked was if I knew those weren't historically accurate.
I told him yes, I knew that, but they meant something to me individually.
That's a tattoo. Something that means something to someone.
I agree. It symbolizes a compass and is common and known today. Don't let others dogmatism change your ever changing understanding. Your understanding with eyes wide open and accepting of today will be more accurate than dogmatism. Stay pragmatic 🤘.
>the berserker symbol
Can't believe I didn't catch this... there is no Berserkr symbol. There's a Berserk Anime symbol [I go more in depth here](https://youtu.be/ivXy-muQCYQ)
Yes it is. It's a form of folk magic. A blending of multiple traditions by the common people. It's got several influences, including Norse and Christian. Voodoo is actually similar.
This purity lore lawyer stuff is rampant on here. Who is teaching this bs?
>Vegvisir ain’t Norse pagan…
yes it is. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them
Looks good but if you start reading... Uhmm...
It's actually new English with replaced rune letters.
Not the right pronunciation. But i get it's difficult if you're mother tongue is english
they are norse pagan symbols. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them
>nothing to do with norse paganism
Except that it's a historical remnant of Icelands pagan past blended with the Christian overculture of their day.
So actually it does have something to do with Norse Paganism. A very important something.
It's not so much Christianization as it is syncratism. It's a chimeric blending of traditions. In part because Paganism didn't just die out. It slowly faded into the magic of the common people
its not a pagan symbol
edit: as a Icelander I find it really weird people in the comments are claiming my nations historical symbols from the 19th century for something it doesn’t stand for
>its not a pagan symbol
Yes it is. It's what's referred to as "folk magic". A blending of multiple traditions including Nordic Paganism and the dominant Christian overculture of their day.
>as a Icelander
Appeal to authority fallacy. Your relative proximity does give you some insight but not unquestionable authority.
>historical symbols from the 19th century
15th century, actually. See, you don't even know your own history.
The first galdrbok was written sometime in the 1600s. Galdr, as I hope you're aware of, means something like "magic spell" with a possible etymological link to "yell" or "chant". Refering to the spoken word.
Another link to likely being connected to an older tradition is Galdralag, or magic spell meter. A type of repetitive poetry that may have links to how spells were written.
Maybe before you walk around with this purity hammer, you actually do research?
>Its “folk magic”
Yes exactly, it’s Icelandic “folk magic” which is a tradition that has influences from Norse mythology, but is a completely separate thing. Christian entities and ideas are prevalent in early and late modern era Icelandic “folk magic” manuscripts.
>Appeal to authority
I’m not claiming I am the ultimate authority on this subject lol. Also fallacy fallacy
>Its older then the 19th century
Find me a source that shows that the Vegvísir symbol that dates before the 19th century. Scholars have unanimously agreed that the oldest source for the symbol comes from the Huld manuscript dated to the year 1860.
The oldest galdrabók (Icelandic socery book) dates to the 16th century, but the Vegvísir symbol appears much later (during the national romantic era in Iceland)
>Yes exactly, it’s Icelandic “folk magic” which is a tradition that has influences from Norse mythology,
>but is a completely separate thing.
Which is it? Influenced or completely separate? You contradict yourself in one sentence
Let me give you an analogy on how a thing can both be influenced by something and be separate from the thing it was influenced by.
Rock music was influenced by blues, but rock music is a separate music genre then blues
Surrealism as an art movement was influenced by the earlier Dadaist movement, but was a separate art movement.
And... they share a history that can be and has been blended by modern musicians.
My problem is your absolutism. It's not wholly separate. Two different eras, yes. But it's not completely separate. They're connected. And to better understand one you can learn from the other
seen this sentiment in the comments a few times so im gonna leave this here "but vegvisir isnt a norse pagan symbol" yes it is. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be historically pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them. ownership has changed hands over time and thats perfectly fine, its ours now. stop shitting on others for using these symbols.
It looks beautiful and it’s well made, you must be very happy
I'm honestly so fucking tired of people shitting on other people's tattoos or runes or hammers. "Ummm AcTuAlLy tHaTs NoT AcCuRaTe". Cool let's see your ink. Have you researched your tattoo? How much? Put it up for us to tear apart.
Exactly!! I'm seeing people in these comments shit on OP for what they chose, but c'mon let them be happy! The tattoo looks super cool and I'd be happy to get one, we're a small community as it is, let's not gatekeep what may symbolize us. OP it looks awesome :)
I don’t understand why people think it’s okay to toxic, rude and degrading to others. Why can’t we apply to same social interactions we have in irl here on social media. On the side note to OP nice tattoo.
I love it! It looks perfect in that placement. The artist did phenomenal work
it looks good, but it's very similar to about 1.000.000 other tattoos. But the most important thing is that you like it. Never let anyone tell you what to put on your body.
Looks dope
Great stuff. I've been considering getting a large Yggdrasil tattoo done on my back, or perhaps Jörmungandr.
The Yggdrasil idea sounds awesome! Now, honest question... A lot of people listen to music when tattooing. What album would you put on for an Yggdrasil tatoo? For me, I'd say, I'd put on Runaljod- Yggdrasil by Wardruna.
I'd probably put on some Heilung for that.
Cool.😎 🤘
like it
Very very nice. Are you a lefty?
Na but every time I think of getting one on my right it looks weird
Dang that's a beautiful tattoo :)
I really like the clean geometry of it, nice blend of ageless and modern.
The (in)famous icelandic ice cream cone. Have you done some research before getting tattooed?
They *never* research these things before getting tattooed.
Let's see your ink?
What?
What does that even mean?
It means to see your tattoo.
They edited it, it was some incoherent shit originally "Lets see your" or something like that
Ice cream cone? Do you have time to elaborate? 👀
It looks like an icecream cone 🤷🏼♂️
Yes, it looks like an ice cream cone. The lines (whatever they are supposed to represent...) are the cone, the Vegvisir is the ice cream. These kind of tattoo are among the firsts when you look for viking tattoo in Google, even if almost nothing is viking and it's more a cultural appropriaton than anything else...
Ohhh, okay! I thought there was something about the Vegvisir’s (sparse) history I was missing, haha
Not to mention the clear Tolkien quote written with elder futhark.
Love it, clean lines, good spacing, not cramped or confused. It's clearly Norse Pagan, and it stands out. Apart from all that, Do You Like It ? If you do then that's all that matters.
the Vegevisir is not Norse pagan, its an Icelandic Christian symbol but ok
It's as Christian as the Goetia. Not at all and still considered heresy. It's a blend of multiple traditions of It's day, a folk magic practice. With Nordic influences as well as Christian. Not belonging wholly to either. This purity crap is rampant on this thread. It's disheartening.
No one here is Pagan or Norse Pagan. We are all Neo Pagan, new age, we have to rediscover our heathenry. Our Pagan roots where covered up by Christians. So Icelandic Christians shared a lot with Pagans. So if it is 100% accurate who honestly cares. It's a norse symbol drived from Icelandic Christianity inspired by norse paganism.
Agreed, and I imagine OP didn't do a lot of research (though if it looks cool, and you like it, who cares!). But, wouldn't any form of witchcraft and sorcery fall under the traditional definition of pagan, plus it's Icelandic so it is Norse.
>Vegvisir is not Norse pagan yes it is. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them
Vegvisir looks cool but it’s not got anything to do with our religion
Untrue. It's a form of folk magic. Magic that is a combination of local and dominant beliefs. It's likely influenced by several different medieval trends in esoteric practices, including pervious Nordic ones. Not Arch Heathen era, but still connected and part of the history.
So how do you explain the Tolkien quote in the tattoo?
It's not my body. Idgaf if someone puts a Pinterest tattoo on themselves. Maybe worry less about what other people choose to do with their own bodies?
I sense a lot of hostility in you. Have you tried breathing?
I sense great Trollness in you. Have you tried thinking for yourself instead of getting offended when someone points out a weird thing you did?
Ahh, but your senses deceive you, young padawan. There be no trolls here. It takes a lot more than your gaslighting to offend me 😂
I can see your post history and the mod log. You have a history of Trolling. Looks like we banned you for a Grith violation at one point too.
Yeah, a few years back when a link to a shop wasnt shown on my phone, and I thought a person was begging money. A thing that I personally apologized to the other part for. Trolling? Nah, I just speak my mind, not really my problem if people are to sensitive. Trolling is not a thing I waste my time with. I would like to see what you think is trolling? Or are you just trying to silence people who wont agree with you?
You can disagree all you want. But petty insults are another matter. They're not even good insults. If you're gonna be a jackass at least be entertaining. My biggest worry now is you seem to have a history of this purity mentality. Defending mythic literalism and a very "Don't let my mash potatoes touch the peas" mentality. Solidified by your opinions expressed here. Which actually goes against our inclusivity rule, as we try not to discriminate against beliefs. Though tbf, I'm wondering if that needs its own rule for clarification. Obviously, if beliefs are harmful, like mythic literalism or purity culture, that's an intolerance we can not tolerate.
Well done, but I have seen that same tattoo done in a studio I worked in. Nothing inherently wrong with having the same tattoo as other folks, but it's a thing we are taught to avoid if we can. I will tell you that in traditional rune spelling double runes are avoided, but that is the old way...we can use them however we please. It looks to me like some American cyber viking stuff, which has it's own charm
Idc what anyone says. That tattoo is sick as hell. I hope you don't let the purists get you down.
Sadly I’ll be the jerk to say it this is a copy and paste google search tattoo and I can’t wrap my head around why anyone wouldn’t do any research behind the symbols involved in the art work let alone the runic transliteration “not all who wander are lost” is not something I’d be posting on a paganism sub expecting praise specifically for accuracy. While it is a nicely done tattoo in the line work and artwork aspects, I think the subject could’ve been way more original if given some thought and study.
It looks cool and the line work looks well done. Don't worry about the contrarians. If you like it, own it. It's good to be able to explain your tattoo and why you have it so just be prepared to answer questions. Most people will be curious, other heathens may have opinions about it but if it speaks to you and the gods it doesn't really matter what their opinion is. At the end of the day, the only straight translations we have of the old stories were passed down by Christians. Norse paganism today is not like it was 1500 years ago and I'd say that's probably a good thing. We're all neo-pagans as much as people don't want to hear that. Our beliefs are all very personal so enjoy your tattoo and may Odin keep an ever watchful eye on your path.
Why did you use elder runes to spell out English words? If you’re using an (modern) Icelandic symbol you should have translated into Icelandic or old Norse and used younger or AS runes.
Probably because it's for religious reasons, not anachronistic reenactment. If you're trying to create an SCA persona, it should be period accurate. If you're doing something for religious reasons, it doesn't need to be bound to a time period.
The issue is that this person asked for opinions and we're giving them. No one is talking about "purity" and no one is showing whatever true colors you're talking about. Sounds like you're accusing some of us of being nazis in a couple other comments, which is what really violates the grith of this sub. I know you are very capable of having a civil conversation without throwing insults and accusations, because we have multiple times. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just got heated.
Not at all. However, we often don't understand what supremacist ideas are present in the overculture. The urge to judge something based on their religion not being pure enough is more of a Christian purity culture than fascist. Part of deconstruction is understanding this subtle influence. Now, purity culture does overlap with fascist ideals, and specific to Heathenry, there's a history. But it's less about being an actual nazi and more about not understanding influences from the Christian overculture. These are subtle things that influence us all, and unless we understand them to break them down, they'll always be there. It's kind of like the idea of idolatry or heresy within Christianity. How some denominations will go so far as to exclude holidays as "too pagan" or "unchristian". It's basically the "keep Christ in Christmas" of Paganism. Now, had everyone said "maybe don't get a mass produced ice cream cone off Pinterest" I wouldn't upvoted the shit out of it.
None of that applies here. There's no issue with explaining to someone how the runes were meant to be used, especially when they asked for opinions. This has nothing to do with purity culture, and we aren't making it seem like heresy or blasphemy. But yes, no one should be getting the icelandic ice cream cone tattoo
>There's no issue with explaining to someone how the runes were meant to be used We don't have enough evidence for a prescribed use of Runes. >This has nothing to do with purity culture Except for all the purity tests. Particularly the "don't use folk magic with christian influence" stuff. When it's highly likely that Galdrastafir has influence from previous traditions. >and we aren't making it seem like heresy or blasphemy. Except the "you're doing it wrong" police are doing exactly that.
"Except for all the purity tests. Particularly the "don't use folk magic with christian influence" stuff. When it's highly likely that Galdrastafir has influence from previous traditions." (I don't know how to do that blue quote thing you're doing) If that's what you're talking about, then I agree, my mistake. I don't think there's a need to draw a line between pre-christianization folk magic and post-chistianization folk magic.
You do the less than symbol > or you can select what you want in the text you're replying to and a quote option comes up
Ok cool, thanks
That doesn’t sound very honorable. Go touch grass
Neither does violating the Grith of this sub. But quoting a NNV at me when that wasn't relevant to the conversation shows your true colors. You're not about historical accuracy, you're about *ze purity of ze faith*
Why translate it if you speak English? I wouldn't use younger Elder looks cooler. And the letters almost are 1:1 to English letters so it's easy to decipher. Elder and English is the right choice IMO.
The letters are not 1:1. What are you even talking about?
I'm talking about the letters of each alphabet having equivalents. What aren't you understanding?
That’s literally not how runes work.
I don't think people care. They transliterate. Just on basic understanding. They don't find someone with years of knowledge nobody else on earth understands and they'd need a history paper to understand. Vikings are realists. Just take something like this image and make a cool tatoo. Good enough. Why be so pedantic when it's just meaning for yourself and to explain to friends. Who cares about historical accuracy? Now is now. https://preview.redd.it/qvrdbckv4prc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7567ffeef18c403d3b3f74d5e76bf25aa48be5ae
Good thing I’m not trying to be a Viking 🙄🥱
you are a good troll
I’m not trolling, you just don’t know what you’re talking about or your 14.
still trolling
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Apparently you are. Why else would you use reenactment standards?
why do you care?
They literally fucking asked for opinions. They gave their opinion. Wtf dude
telling someone how they must do a thing is not an opinion
It’s literally how it works….
where is it written? show me something in print that says you cannot do what he did?
I mean you can google writing with runes there are a few sub reddits about the use of them and there’s a plethora of information and historical documentation of how they were used. They’re not just some shit someone came up with in the 19th century for “magical” use, they are a historical form of writing.
I know, but at it's root they are just letters. Let him do what he wants. Besides it's too late now
They’re not letters, They’re sounds.
can you fix the totally inaccurate wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_Futhark so I can understand what you are even rambling about?
Actually yeah, you're right. Not an opinion. Informing someone of the linguistic issues of using Elder Futhark runes with English is just stating an objective fact.
I did not realise there was any rules as to how you can use what amounts to letters. Could you give me the reference where that is written?
Elder Futhark literally does not work well with English. It's just a fact. There's no reason to be having this argument
and yet here we are :)
I spell things in English with Elder all the time. No issues
The problem is this "linguistic opinion" is valid for reenactment not reconstruction. A religion shouldn't be bound by a time period
It's not reconstruction if you don't respect the history of any of this. There are literally people in this post saying that it doesn't matter because we aren't "Norse Pagan", we're "neo pagan", slapping labels on everything. It's honestly all pretty sad. Also, OP asked for opinions. We are free to educate people.
It should be bound by respect to the history of the culture. Unless you’re practicing something from the 19th century that doesn’t really have anything to do with paganism. I guess whatever the pinned comment has to say about folk magic can hold true but I think most of that shit was made up for profiteering off of the boom in occultism
Firstly, Galdrabók comes from the 1600's, not 1800s. It was a medieval Grimoire in the same era as the Goetia and other esoteric texts. Something you'd know if you weren't obsessed with lore purity. Second, the capitalist profeteering you're talking about comes much later. Obviously, Victorian spiritualism was a huge problem, then later Stephen Flowers wrote his own Galdrabók, not unlike Crowley writing his own Goetia. But that's much later. And 3rd, folk magic won't show us exactly what came before, but does show remnants. Evidence left behind that carried forward. >should be bound by respect to the history I agree. So maybe actually study the history.
Because that culturally and historically ignorant and inaccurate.
You do not have to translate it to old norse or Icelandic. Basically any nordic language (not counting Finnish or Greenland) will work perfectly well with the younger futhark.
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I was thinking of getting a 3rd tattoo in honor of freya since I’m all about love and youthfulness. Just gotta figure out what
Love it
Nice ink! I prefer lots of colour myself Perhaps the tree of life in full bloom colour on the other arm would be more subtle.
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Everyone loves a good snow cone 🤙
The viking icecream cone! Well executed anyway
Unoriginal I've seen this tattoo at least 20 times. So many other things you could use..
Womp womp
This is probably the most copied tattoo on google lol
So?
This is a trollopost right? Vegvisir ain’t Norse pagan…
I went to my tattoo artist with a design I made... Vegvisir, Helm of Awe, Web of Wyrd and the berserker symbol. And my son's name written phonetically in younger futhark. The first question he asked was if I knew those weren't historically accurate. I told him yes, I knew that, but they meant something to me individually. That's a tattoo. Something that means something to someone.
I agree. It symbolizes a compass and is common and known today. Don't let others dogmatism change your ever changing understanding. Your understanding with eyes wide open and accepting of today will be more accurate than dogmatism. Stay pragmatic 🤘.
In addition it's a great filter... I don't like dogmatic people 😈.
The Berserker symbol, as in the one from the anime?
Yup. I love that symbol. I have it on my motorcycle helmet. Twice
Totally fair! If you love it, you love it 🤘 It is also a well made symbol.
>the berserker symbol Can't believe I didn't catch this... there is no Berserkr symbol. There's a Berserk Anime symbol [I go more in depth here](https://youtu.be/ivXy-muQCYQ)
Yes it is. It's a form of folk magic. A blending of multiple traditions by the common people. It's got several influences, including Norse and Christian. Voodoo is actually similar. This purity lore lawyer stuff is rampant on here. Who is teaching this bs?
>Vegvisir ain’t Norse pagan… yes it is. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them
Looks good but if you start reading... Uhmm... It's actually new English with replaced rune letters. Not the right pronunciation. But i get it's difficult if you're mother tongue is english
Ok
sadly, the helm of aw/ vagvisir has nothing to do with paganism
they are norse pagan symbols. it may not be a viking age symbol but no christian wants anything to do with the icelandic staves, and theyre very popular among norse pagans. we own those symbols now, theyre norse pagan symbols. as long as people are aware of the history and arent falsely claiming them to be pagan symbols theyre perfectly fine to use them
>nothing to do with norse paganism Except that it's a historical remnant of Icelands pagan past blended with the Christian overculture of their day. So actually it does have something to do with Norse Paganism. A very important something.
That’s not a good something that Christianization of paganism was awful??
It's not so much Christianization as it is syncratism. It's a chimeric blending of traditions. In part because Paganism didn't just die out. It slowly faded into the magic of the common people
Neat art, i like the piece. None of it has any direct line to norse paganism. But again i think it's a neat piece so don't take it as an attack.
I love it I got plans for one like that too
its not a pagan symbol edit: as a Icelander I find it really weird people in the comments are claiming my nations historical symbols from the 19th century for something it doesn’t stand for
>its not a pagan symbol Yes it is. It's what's referred to as "folk magic". A blending of multiple traditions including Nordic Paganism and the dominant Christian overculture of their day. >as a Icelander Appeal to authority fallacy. Your relative proximity does give you some insight but not unquestionable authority. >historical symbols from the 19th century 15th century, actually. See, you don't even know your own history. The first galdrbok was written sometime in the 1600s. Galdr, as I hope you're aware of, means something like "magic spell" with a possible etymological link to "yell" or "chant". Refering to the spoken word. Another link to likely being connected to an older tradition is Galdralag, or magic spell meter. A type of repetitive poetry that may have links to how spells were written. Maybe before you walk around with this purity hammer, you actually do research?
>Its “folk magic” Yes exactly, it’s Icelandic “folk magic” which is a tradition that has influences from Norse mythology, but is a completely separate thing. Christian entities and ideas are prevalent in early and late modern era Icelandic “folk magic” manuscripts. >Appeal to authority I’m not claiming I am the ultimate authority on this subject lol. Also fallacy fallacy >Its older then the 19th century Find me a source that shows that the Vegvísir symbol that dates before the 19th century. Scholars have unanimously agreed that the oldest source for the symbol comes from the Huld manuscript dated to the year 1860. The oldest galdrabók (Icelandic socery book) dates to the 16th century, but the Vegvísir symbol appears much later (during the national romantic era in Iceland)
>Yes exactly, it’s Icelandic “folk magic” which is a tradition that has influences from Norse mythology, >but is a completely separate thing. Which is it? Influenced or completely separate? You contradict yourself in one sentence
Let me give you an analogy on how a thing can both be influenced by something and be separate from the thing it was influenced by. Rock music was influenced by blues, but rock music is a separate music genre then blues Surrealism as an art movement was influenced by the earlier Dadaist movement, but was a separate art movement.
And... they share a history that can be and has been blended by modern musicians. My problem is your absolutism. It's not wholly separate. Two different eras, yes. But it's not completely separate. They're connected. And to better understand one you can learn from the other
Norse pagans use it. Deal with it.