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Reasonable-Oil-5200

I am fine with pay parking as long as it isn’t very expensive. I don’t want it to turn into downtown Vancouver where parking lots cost 15+ dollars.


Imaginary-Signal-269

I support the plans. Alrhough, it's a bit laughable that City Staff have a new report that suggets curb parking is at capacity. When the revised plans for the Alcuin school expansion (including rentable amenity space) was opposed by West 1st residents in part due to complete lack of parking City Staff did studies and suggested there was lots of curb space in the area available. (Failed to note their studies were done first when an entire block was a hole in the ground and the study repeated early during pandemic when people were staying home.)


stoppage_time

I like this in principle, but I have zero faith in the CNV's ability to execute the plan. CNV turned previously no-limit street parking on my block to a mix of one hour and drop-off parking. It's made the situation even worse because now people just sit in the drop-off spot and idle for 30 mins while their kid is at the doctor's office rather than pay for parking one block over. I've never seen the City do anything about the fucking idiots parking moving and delivery trucks across all lanes, even when buses are impeded. All the pay parking in the world doesn't fix the problem if the City won't actually do anything about the morons.


brahsumatra

Paid parking isn’t a bad idea if it guarantees a secured space.


Dazzling_Pepper222

I was really surprised at the amount of free street parking when I moved to North Van. I have no issue with changes that make sense, that includes reasonable fees, and that take residents into consideration. What I’m very curious about, is how enforcement will actually work. Parking on the current time limits feels like an honour system, as I’ve never seen anyone get a ticket in Lower Lonsdale. Maybe changes like this will encourage people to walk or take transit, if it’s an option or simply pay. I don’t ever really bother looking for free parking during busy times. I either walk or pay in a paid lot.


ClumsyRainbow

Anecdotally I’ve seen cars ticketed on W 1st a couple times.


Imaginary-Signal-269

I've seen vacant parked cars ticketed on W 1st and W 2nd. (Never seen anyone ticketed for occupying the drop off only space in front of Braithwaite Rec centre while their family waits in the line at Earnest.)


[deleted]

Good, there's zero reason to subsidize something with so many negative externalities on society.


Civil_Carpenter2205

Underground parking underused? Is that why I often see people leaving notes in the common areas soliciting for extra parking spaces?


stoppage_time

They are talking about underground public parking. Not private parking.


Unlikely_Bear_6531

$125 a month in my building


Glittering_Search_41

Cool, even less reason for me to patronize businesses around Lonsdale. First is traffic. If I have to pay for the privilege I won't even go as it's easier for me to get to East Van than Lonsdale.


Rishloos

If you're driving, you are traffic. And driving is a privilege, not a right. No one should be forced to subsidize said privilege, regardless of whether they have it too. As an aside, it's tempting to think that no longer driving to these Lonsdale businesses will have some kind of sizable impact on them, but it won't, because most people who visit those business don't drive to them.


BClynx22

The parking is already time limited. I don’t think forcing me to pay for the parking is going to change the duration I park to have to do business on lonsdale, it’s just going to pad somebody else’s pockets and make living here more costly than it already is. If they really cared about parking maybe they’d give us back some of the parking spaces they turned into “patios” that nobody uses, are poorly kept, and look like trash. Like that dog park patio outside bosleys… disgusting never seen it used. Or maybe if they want people to bike more they should make it safe to leave a locked bike outside a business on Lonsdale for more than 15 minutes.


purplelara

The dog park thing outside Bosley’s has been gone for a while now. It took up like two spots so that should really help.


Vancouvermarina

Agree with every word


[deleted]

So, exactly what I sad two years ago, first they allow buildings without parking on 4th st. And now they will implement paid parking as " there is not enough parking". Also, I am surprised they know that people don't park in there underground garage, as I can see in all 3 building I go in North Van that they are always full, as mostly they are private spots. I hope we will choose different people on next election,who will do something different.


[deleted]

They are talking about the PAID underground garages that have lots of available spots because everyone is circling endlessly for free parking. Not building parking under buildings significantly lowers the cost of building. It's not uncommon for residents on Lonsdale to not own a car so a few no parking buildings make sense. They aren't common so that is not the cause of the problem.


[deleted]

So, solution is to charge everyone as they have empty underground garage. Maybe they can go other way and give free parking there too?


[deleted]

Everyone is already being charged for parking, whether you use it or not. Google what a "subsidy" is.


[deleted]

Yes, you are correct, so now they want to double charge it. As we are already paying for it, why implement charges?


bohnanaz

Perhaps there are some that don’t own cars, but for every car free household is a household that owns 2+ vehicles. We live in a lifestyle city - even if you work from home and live in a walkable neighbourhood, many people go to Whistler on weekends, hiking/biking/skiing after work on a Wednesday. Trying to make it difficult for people to own cars seems silly to me.


ClumsyRainbow

If you’re just using your car on the weekend an Evo or Modo will be cheaper, and lower and central Lonsdale are already in the Evo home zone.


FlatHeadPryBar

This is such a close minded way of thinking. You can’t take an evo to the truly most adventurous and beautiful places in this province. I’d love to see someone take one of those things 100km up a logging road.


ClumsyRainbow

A lot of people also don’t own a car that’ll survive 100km up a logging road.


[deleted]

But it's not making it difficult for people to own cars. It's just charging them for what they use.


FoamyPamplemousse

Making it more expensive than it already is will make it more difficult for many people. Not complicated.


JipJopJones

I always hear the line "it's not common for x people to own a car". Where does this data come from? Its starting to feel like a talking point. I know it's anecdotal, but I don't know anyone who lives on the north shore and doesn't have at least one vehicle in their household. Most have multiple.


ClumsyRainbow

Raises hand. Now you know one.


[deleted]

This isn't about the "North Shore". It's about the Lonsdale corridor which is a city. Lots of people there don't own cars. The paid parking will be in high demand areas like Lower and Central Lonsdale. 


[deleted]

I honestly don't know anyone who is living in lower londsdale who doesn't have a car, at least one per household. So I would like to see where this is coming from, and how is then problem with parking if people don't have cars ?


[deleted]

Residents aren't the main problem. If you come here at 7 am on Saturday morning or 10 pm on Tuesday night, there is lots of parking. Those are the times residents would be parking. Come in the middle of the day or prime restaurant time and it's basically a war zone for parking. It's people coming in the day for classes, shopping, restaurants, etc. 


[deleted]

That's correct. And even in prime time you will find parking in couple of blocks. So main thing is that they are not getting money And as someone living there I don't have problem making circles around block to get spot ( as it looks that there is not a lot of people who like to walk more then 3 blocks to work )


nsparadise

I don’t have a car, sold mine years ago because they’re not necessary here. On the odd occasion I want one, either Evo or rental meet my needs.


[deleted]

Ok, I guess good for you ? So you don't n need parking and there should be more space available on your block, so why charge parking?


nsparadise

I’m just answering your comment that you don’t know people in lower Lonsdale who don’t own cars. There are lots of us. Everything we need is within walking distance, and transit is easy here. I’ve no problem with charging drivers more, to encourage more people to transit, walk, bike, ditch the cars, stop circling blocks endlessly.


[deleted]

Well,as random person on internet, I also don't believe you so it's irrelevant when you say you don't have car. Same goes other way of course. I get that you don't have problems with that, but it's lie that everything is easy access. If it is then why people have cars ? We could start charging for bike licenses to get more money


[deleted]

Are you a Russian bot?


[deleted]

How old are you? Most young people I know in Lower Lonsdale don't have cars.


[deleted]

40, but here our new next door neighbors who are 20 and just moved in got a car. So of most young don't have cars, there is no problem and need to change, no ?


No_Cardiologist_5117

So I’m on 12th and pay 25 a year to park in my block , how is it fair it eventually they remove this option and I have to pay to park per day, and it’s open to everyone , how am I supposed to park where I live then


nsparadise

The article specifically states that they want to expand the resident only parking, not get rid of it.


[deleted]

I don't think that's the plan. There are different plans for residents.


FPVBrandoCalrissian

Maybe if they stop stuffing so many high density buildings on the North Shore, it would be an issue. I’ve grown up here since the 80s and not having to pay for street parking was always one of the perks. I get why there is a need to provide parking solutions but the fact that it is needed speaks volumes to the bigger picture of change on the North Shore. Most of the parking in town gets used up by construction workers for the constant building going on. Whole most of which probably don’t even live around here. We have to stop expanded living capacity in the city until our roadways and infrastructure can support the numbers. Upgrade those stupid bridges at the very least.


Inflatable-yacht

The NIMBY wants to know why things change


FPVBrandoCalrissian

I had to look up nimby. And damn right, I’ll be moving to the countryside soon at this rate. Lol and I’m fine with change honestly, but greed is what gets me angry. There is no more room in North Van, so build up? That takes away the appeal of this community. It’s no longer a community when it becomes a big city. I’m not trying to stop the tide with a broom, just trying to stay afloat like everyone else and the cost of living in North Van is a direct result of the blueprint for city planning here. It’s all about greed and pocket lining otherwise you’d see better city planning prior to build approvals. Look at the new Automall developments. One way in and out other than the train crossing on the edge of the reservation. All those people trying to get in and out of their homes with that one stupid overpass? And that’s just what’s happening now not to mention every other corridor in our heavily creek populated landscape with minimal access across those waterways. Prove me wrong please because it’s hard to see otherwise.


SUP3RGR33N

It's not greed lmao, that's such a short sighted look at the issue. You're arguing that the planet should be locked in time _indefinitely_ because you the benefits you managed to get over everyone else. That's toddler thinking.  We have way too many humans. Humans need to live near where they can get employment and access to essential amenities. These things largely reside within the cities -- and spreads out to the suburbs over time. The entire world is currently desperate for more housing. We're not building more just because of _greed_, lmao. People need somewhere to fucking live! The people going to live in high density housing largely aren't doing it because they own multiple properties.  You can't just build a city in the middle of nowhere and suddenly have it work. There's too many axillary people needed these days to start from scratch. It's a logistical (and illogical) nightmare. This is not something that can be done while supporting modern life. Trying to stop density is like trying to stop time. You can't shrink wrap an entire city and keep it pristine for all time. Every single city around the world is going to continue to change dramatically throughout the future of humanity. _Life is change._ If you want to keep living in a singular location, you need to change with it. Otherwise sell your house, move rural, and make space for people that actually want to be a part of their community. Just because you don't like the new nature or demographics of the community doesn't mean there isn't one. 


FPVBrandoCalrissian

“You’re right”


Rishloos

I'm for this. Free parking is subsidized by everyone who lives in a city. Yet most people who visit the businesses in central and lower Lonsdale are not driving, it is predominantly foot traffic. The people who do drive, on the other hand, often complain about a lack of parking. By ensuring that only the people who actually use the parking are paying for it, it'll help free up spaces (since anyone who was, until now, previously on the fence about driving will no longer drive), and it'll help the city collect more revenue. Each free parking space is a money sink for the city. People who complain about this change have a right to be frustrated but I would encourage them to direct their frustrations to their own neighborhoods, and ask those neighborhoods why they can't have the same amenities, easy public transit, etc. They should not need to pay $$$ owning a personal vehicle just to get a loaf of bread. (Seriously, vehicles are [expensive](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800921003943), between insurance, maintenance, tires, washes, and all the external costs. A dollar for parking should be the least of motorists' worries; that's definitely the case for me.)


axiomofchoice19

100%. We ditched our car a few years ago and are honestly shocked at how much money we save. I do hope Evo’s continue to get some sort of parking privileges to further encourage their use over full-blown car ownership.


[deleted]

It's not my neighborhood fault that we don't have place to grab bread ( except 7/11) . So you solution is to add up cost, as I don't believe any other taxes will go down, so this will just be more income for city . People do use cars to go to work, not everyone living in North Vancouver is rich. For us, it's cheaper to go to work then with public transport, when you add it all up + you save huge amount of time


Regular-Double9177

It is your council's fault (and by extension, your neighborhood's) for denying bakeries on most lots.


Rishloos

Time is definitely money. Albeit in that situation, it sounds like the real issue is having insufficient public transit for those areas, whether frequency, a lack of infrastructure for alternative modes of transportation in general, or both. In other words, being able to drive in those areas is more like a band-aid fix for the underlying problem. Get in some dedicated bus lanes so they're not getting stuck in (relatively unpredictable) automobile traffic, add a few additional routes, and bump the frequency so a missed connection doesn't mean languishing an extra 30 minutes in the rain. I bet it would be way nicer! That all needs to come from funding though.


[deleted]

Maybe start with cutting salaries and jobs in city? That can save a lot of money. Also building a new bridge/tunnel as local traffic is not issue. All of that is above city,so they should make pressure there. Also to call by name people responsible for allowing buildings without parking, maybe even some financial fines for them


Rishloos

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. You're complaining about parking and having to drive. But you're suggesting fining the people who are approving buildings that have less parking, which helps create cities where people don't need to drive. Those two things contradict each other. The development going in at the old Husky station on 3rd, for example, has less parking. But it is right near the seabus and multiple bus stops, negating the need for a car for many people. Those people who won't be driving, are people you won't need to fight in traffic every day. If someone *needs* to drive, they simply don't move in there, or buy a unit that does come with a parking space. Municipal employees in North Vancouver don't receive excessive paychecks, as per [this page](https://www.cnv.org/City-Hall/Mayor-Council) the council earnings as of 2022 were mayor $134k and councillor $44k. Councillors make less than I make per year. As for the bridge, induced demand posits that creating new lanes for automobile traffic will only lead to more demand for vehicles, and any time that is saved in the first few months, after the new lanes are added, will quickly be lost, because more people will think "hey, less traffic" and start driving too. Then in 20, 50, 100 years, people will say the same thing about the new bridge: that there isn't enough space. This is how you end up with 20-lane highways, which still have a traffic problem. We can't do that with a bridge.


[deleted]

I am not complaining about parking, I am complaining about paid parking and parking restrictions. And yes, if we don't have enough parking, why is allowed to build buildings with multiple units without parking? So, in general your opinion is if we make easier for people, more people will use something for there benefits and that is bad . Ok got it.


Rishloos

We're not going to reach a respectful disagreement here. Please do some research on your own time; start with "induced demand".


[deleted]

Totally agree. It's actually long overdue and it's unbelievable that it has been free for so long.


0m0plata

It will be unpopular with many but it is definitely the right call.


MemoryBeautiful9129

Finally great idea !


hajix

"The goal is to ensure that every block has at least one free on-street space at any given time." That's a weird goal. I agree "sometimes" it's hard to find parking in lower lonsdale (and I emphasize on sometimes), but there are underground pay parkings that can make business out of this. Personally, if we wanted to be in LL at a busy time and had enough time to find a street parking, it was always possible by going around the blocks 3-4 times. If we didn't have time, we would go to an underground pay parking and pay. I understand the current parkings were designed before 2000, but honestly I don't see a major problem to see a revamp. Not sure if others agree or disagree "With the popularity of ride hailing and meal delivery apps and car shares, more of the limited curb spots should be freed up for them with short-term spaces, the proposal before council suggests.", again I'm not sure if the city should prioritize this.


[deleted]

But this is exactly the problem. There are loads of cars circling the block endlessly looking for free parking while underground paid parking lots sit empty.  As competition heats up for spots during peak times, drivers start speeding and pulling aggressive u-turns to get a spot. For residents (including me!), it's terrifying. My building has a roundabout and I have almost been run over walking through it several times by drivers flying through it to turn around and nab a free parking spot. Walking from central Lonsdale to Lower Lonsdale the other day, I saw TWO separate incidents where people actually parked their car in the middle of the lane to confront another driver that took a spot they believed was theirs. This decision is long overdue and has my complete support.


Economy-Inflation-48

And they won't let any of us inside the building to speak up against their bullshit planning


justinliew

Maybe when you learn to read you'll be let in the building.


psychologicldystopia

“Free parking? Do not pass go. Big changes are coming to the way City of North Vancouver divvies up limited curb space for parking. Council voted unanimously Monday to move forward on a new parking plan that could lead to pay parking in the busiest areas of the city. The new plan includes a total revamp of the resident-only parking rules and reserves more street parking spaces for commercial deliveries and pick-ups and for people with permits under the province’s program for people with disabilities.”