The whole thing is that there is only so many things a bear can do and the too many things a whole person can do.
Bears act upon instinct, humans act upon impulse. Nobody said bears are harmless, but if someone was attacked by a bear it would be believed without question.
I see valid points in choosing bear over stranger dude, don’t get me wrong…. HOWEVER…. Bears don’t just kill you and it’s over. They often will purposely keep you alive for as long as they can and rip pieces of you off of you. I mean it does tend to be an agonizing and torturous event.
None of these options sound pleasant.
Mainly bears kill without maliciousness, it’s simply in their nature. I wouldn’t be angry with a bear if it decided to maim me, it’s doing what a bear does.
Humans however, do not. Humans kill with with maliciousness. Many murders happen one of two ways, extensively planned, or done impulsively.
Yep, and as a true crime listener so many cases happen because of the small moment of opportunity to do the worst. Many won’t do that, but some ain’t willing to take that chance.
Bears are just doing what they do with emotion as they just ain’t built like that.
Not just rapists. Here is my history. Molested at 10. Raped at 16. Beaten from 6 - 13. Married at 17. Beaten for 4 years. Married #2. Beaten 1 time. Married #3. He, and he alone, is better than a bear.
hi! im a zookeeper that works with mostly ursine's (aka bears) and tbf i would also rather choose a bear than a man. Cause ngl most bears are dumb as hell and easy to predict. Like no offence but there are some men that if there is no-one around would do HORRIBLE things to someone weaker. Its not a question whether or not you would be in a forest with a man you know. Its is a random person. they could be a racist or a homophobe hate your religon or just want to hurt somone with out repercussions. And in that case would you rather choose that person over a bear. Its a question of statistics. Couse i know a how a bear is gonna behave. but every single man on earth will have different opinions and do different actions that i personally cannot predict. Like of course most men will help you but what if you just get unlucky? The reason most people here chose a man is because they themselves are male. But if you are for example crippled or a woman that is weaker than an average man. Would you take your chance with a possible monster or just choose a animal that can be very easily bypassed?
My take on the whole man or bear thing is undecided but I will say this.
Wild animals are typically far more predictable than people. Specially bears. They act on instinct.
People are incredibly unpredictable which is why they struggle to make predictions models where you input the human variable.
Also if I'm out enjoying the woods alone I'm expecting animals, maybe even a bear. I'm prepared in advance and know what to do.
If It's the same scenario but instead there's just a random man who's just kinda, there, I'm definitely assuming malicious intent.
An animal watching you from the treeline is normal, a human watching you from the treeline is extremely abnormal and worrying.
Thank you for confirming our bias. The men who are offended by our answer, are part of the problem because they are refusing to acknowledge the fear women face regularly of sexual violence from men. We don’t generally have experience being attacked by bears, which everyone understands would be awful. If we haven’t personally experienced sexual violence, we are close to someone who has. Real experience trumps imagined experience. It’s that simple. 🤷🏼♀️
Edit: clarified “it”
Imagine hearing *most women choose the bear*
and thinking
> "women are stupid" or "women are hateful" (misogyny)
instead of
> "men must REALLY terrify women; that's so awful" (empathy) or even just "I wonder why women choose the bear" (curiosity).
If your instinct is to try to show why women are wrong to feel this way... you are one of the men who makes us choose the bear.
(Edited for slightly better phrasing)
absolutely!!
I think they’re more concerned about being “lumped in” and “judged” as a potential rapist, than they are concerned about how much women fear actual rapists or violence. Its incredibly short sighted and vapid- they cant see two inches past their own faces. They aren’t able to form the empathy to understand. they’re just mad that women are afraid of them. They’re actually mad at the rapists making them look bad, but they’d rather blame the women for being afraid. its pathetic.
As a male, negetivly comparing me as worse than an animal is always gonna sound bigoted (even if you do this to women, you’ll be called sexist, rightfully so), especially because these women use bears in this question to target or dehumanize men, and to prove that men are unpredictable creatures, but humans in general are, including women, many of which who abuse, assault, and rape men or their own children despite acting passive to get away with it, but people within this question act like women themselves or even bears are completely passive and men as dangerous creature.
I as a male, I’m not showing you empathy for belittling me under a wild animal and fearmonger me, that’s still a form of hate and agresson. You shouldn’t demand empathy from the identity you specifically go out of your way to compare below a animal.
I don’t get how some women expect empathy from men in situations like this where they proudly belittle, shame, and openly see men as lesser than human. I have my own fears of women assaulting and raping me, doesn’t mean I go out of my way to dehumanize women then shame anyone who disagrees.
Imagine saying that men are worse than literal animals and then thinking
> Why don't they show empathy towards our choice? Why don't they wonder why we call every single one of them a rapist?
1 in 4 women experiencing sexual violence is not generalizing anything about “most men” or “all men”. It’s saying I, or someone I know, has experienced sexual violence. But I don’t know any one who has experienced a bear attack. How many people are assaulted by a bear every year? How many women are sexually assaulted by men every year? There is your answer.
That’s not the point. 🤦🏼♀️ Thanks again for making the point. Men won’t acknowledge how common it is that women experience sexual violence from men and how deeply that impacts our trust of men. 🙄
Edit: spelling
66 Bear related deaths in 200 years.
Hundreds (think it was around 300) of encounters in an average year and only 12 ending in an attack. 1/25 odds mean while.. if I count the number of men who have had me in a vulnerable situation and showed me I couldn’t trust them… At least 19.. classmates, family, friends of family, coworkers, people who pretended to be my friends, and yes some ex’s. The majority of guys who were around me in vulnerable situations.
And ya I didn’t report any of it so none of that info will hit statistics. Same with a lot of what we experienced.
Can you see why someone would choose bear if that was their experience in life? Especially if their friends and their mothers, aunts and grandmothers have multiple stories each? My aunts ex husband nearly ripped the skin off my great grandmother’s arm because she tried to help my aunt.. an old woman.. I think I’ve heard at a minimum 30 stories of different men doing vile things to the women in my life..
47 instances within my personal bubble. Vs 1/25 of getting injured.. and at least if I got attacked by a single bear no one would think something was wrong with me if I wanted to stay away from bears afterwards. They would get it and not call my caution being sexist.
How many guys that had the opportunity and didn’t? Hard to say for sure but to memory of guys in the same positions.. well at least 10 that had an opportunity didn’t take it.
If 19 out of 29 times to memory you got hurt in some way. You would probably be cautious of it right? Especially if other people said they got hurt too? Would you choose that thing or the 1/25 thing? Knowing it would be just rolling two sets of dice against each other.
But ya I do know not all guys. But any guy that’s not earned the trust is a dice roll.
From 2000-2015 there were in total 664 just brown bear attacks worldwide
From 2000-2017 there were 48 fatal bear attacks in North America alone
Your experiences except for being completely anecdotal might also not be true everyone can lie on the internet especially when you are anonymous
You can be suspicious of men if your experiences with them are bad , its completely normal. But just dont criticize other people that are suspicious of less diverse groups of people . Like my grandmother with the Germans.
https://bearvault.com/bear-attack-statistics/#:~:text=Since%201784%20there%20have%2066,end%20with%20zero%20bodily%20contact.
“Since 1784 there have 66 fatal human/bear conflicts by wild black bears. Less than a dozen non-fatal conflicts happen each year, and the vast majority of encounters end with zero bodily contact.”
I didn’t lie. I apparently missed the focus being on black bears, which happen to be the largest population of bears.
Ah so you’re the crowd who pretends women lie about sexual assaults to fit your argument that “men arent so bad”. Thats a real pathetic and dehumanizing way to respond to someone, you should be genuinely ashamed of yourself for dismissing a victim’s trauma to grandstand on fucking reddit. yuck. deplorable “human”.
Have you seen how bears act? What kinda bear are we talking? Brown? Youre probably fine to walk away. Polar? You better pray you have a slug shotgun with many many rounds because it will hunt you down and kill you regardless of cubs or not.
Polar bears and sloth bears I’d be terrified of but at least if its eaten recently you’ll likely be safe. Polar bear attacks only really started increasing now that their habitats have been so destroyed. they’re coming closer and closer to “human territory”
>Terrestrial habitats used by polar bears include **forests**, mountains, rocky areas, lakeshores and creeks.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar\_bear](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear)
But they are getting it from the “would you rather be alone in a forest with a man or a bear” thing going around right now. They just left out a little of the original context.
Im sorry I have not been keeping up with everything that happens on the internet. Some people dont notice every single fad that last for 2 days and then vanishes.
Even with that context I would add that the bear is the objectively wrong choice.
I really don't understand "bear" answers. Like, we have empirical data from Grafton, New Hampshire, that both women and men have revealed preference for presence of men in public spaces over presence of bears in public spaces.
So, in real world situation, people are more afraid of bears.
So why some people make claim that they would be more afraid of meeting bear than meeting random man? Is it signaling? Delusions? Ingroup conformism? Availability heurestics? Ignorance about bears?
BTW, most of predators have nasty habit of eating victims alive, if it stops defending itself.
You clearly misunderstand the question, so I'll reiterate "would you rather be IN THE WOODS, ALONE, with a man, or a bear?" There is nothing said about would you rather be ATTACKED by a man, or a bear. And, statistically speaking, given that bears are generally afraid of people, most women choose the bear. I, myself, have encountered bears AND men in the woods, the bears were less scary, and none of them tried to follow me...
A bear is gona use me to survive, my two rapist didnt need to rape me. The second one didnt need to trap me in a school yard cornering me begging me to come back, the bear would have just killed me, not harmed me watch me get better and do it again. Also lets add the 3 other men who TRIED TO rape me. The wildlife ive encountered had at most chased me off of its territory…
Yup, just follow r/natureismetal and you don’t want to end up in the paws and jaws of a predator. That said, humans can be very horrible to eachother as well.
Hi, I’m from the area of a national park where black bears are accustomed to humans. I’ve encountered them plenty. I choose the bear, hands down. And you can say “black bears are small” or “they’re used to humans” or whatever, but when it comes down to it? It doesn’t matter if it’s 500 pounds or 2000, it’s still able to easily overpower me if it wants. It’s a fucking bear. And bears that are accustomed to humans are actually more dangerous because they’re less likely to be afraid of us and beat feet. They might see our trash as their food and take issue with us. The likelihood of a bear being predatory of humans is incredibly low.
When I was young and more stupid than I am now, I used to hike and camp alone a lot. Bear sign wouldn’t keep me away from my favorite trails or sites. But fresh human sign? Yeah, I’m packing the fuck up and going home.
IIRC, the biggest thing that was proved about bears in Grafton, NH is that they love dumpster diving and them becoming accustomed to humans is dangerous, which I said above.
The original question was more along the lines of “if you were alone in the woods it would be scarier seeing a man or a bear”
It’s not about which one is more survivable or less dangerous, but purely an instinct emotional question. And the fact that so many men can’t empathize that women on first instinct are more scared of a man - and are doubling down that it *should* be a bear - are kind of justifying women’s answers
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMGSAopq/
I can tell you that when I've encountered bears, they've been running away from me. And that I had a fairly decent idea of how to handle the bears that I expected to find in the area. All from a single survival book I read as a kid.
I can tell you that men have raped me three separate times in my life and assaulted me or threatened/purpotrated violence against me more times than I can even remember. My family and loved ones spent my entire childhood preparing me for how to protect myself FROM men specifically and, golly, would you look at that...didn't keep me safe.
Bear. Forever.
Why is everyone so pressed about a make believe situation? Like who cares if someone picks bear or not because again it’s a make believe question even then is it actually that difficult for some of you ppl to try to understand why some people might pick a bear over a human? People don’t try to understand why someone might make that choice or the damage that was done to them to have this kind of trust. I think this question is so stupid, someone made up a make believe thing everyone is mad about it and it’s all just separating everyone even more. Why can’t we just listen instead of argue this is why there is so much tension and it’s because of stupid made up bull shit like this If you can’t see that get off the internet and go outside. No one’s opinions really matter in this situation anyways BECAUSE ITS A MADE UP SITUATION 🤯🤯🤯
OP is acting like women are incapable of exactly the same thing she's describing for the man.
The unpredictability comes from humans being unique beings that don't just follow instinctual behaviors.
Some people are jerks. Some are not. That's the risk of being social.
This is the part I hate about the bear thing. It’s a human thing, not a gender thing. I wouldn’t feel safe being alone with any gender or sex of a human, I would choose the bear every time. Humans are cruel and unpredictable.
I find that lots of women always make women (themselves) out to be passive and non-abusive, but use trauma to generalize men as violent. Any comment that mentioned how lots of women rape, abuse, and assault others, gets downvoted, with a followed “nuh uh, it doesn’t happen much, I’d choose a bear because men are still unpredictable”, worn one even saying that they’d still choose a woman, despite the previous comment bringing up how women also do these things.
Truth be told as a male who’s had women put their hands on me or harass me, I don’t see women as passive angels that do no wrong, but I reconize that no sex is innocent jut because of their sex. I won’t choose a bear, a woman, or a man.
This is literally the stupidest argument on the face of the planet
Choosing a bear isn't hating on men or saying all men are bad
BEARS ARE PREDICTABLE BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE THE MENTAL COMPACITY TO BE UNPREDICTABLE
Yes bears van be smart but the difference is they will go off of instinct 9/10
A man will go off what he thinks and this is the dangerous part because the human mind differs from person to person. Because it differs it makes *people*, which includes men, unpredictable
I would rather deal with the known than the unknown, that's why I choose the bear
Absolutely. If a hungry bear gets me I know I will suffer gruesome torture for a long time before I die.
If a man targets me he can kill me, SA me, torture me, keep me in his house for years... There's so many options. With bears there's just two: it will kill me to defend it's offspring or it will eat me alive.
Actually it makes sense. Wild animals are generally less complex than humans and thus more predictable.
Plus, depending on where you live, a bear in the woods makes perfect sense. Just as I live in a place with a lot of walkers/hikers, so a guy in the woods makes perfect sense and isn't cause for concern. But that's definitely not the case everywhere.
i wouldn't have to sit at the family table with the bear after it attacked me. people wouldn't tell me to get over my bear attack because i should have liked it. the bear didn't give me any reason to trust it in the first place.
I’d chose bear..I know how bears behave I know that bears want nothing to do with me and should I come across them while hiking I know how to react and how tent react..I don’t know that with another person especially a random guy I feel like that’s why people are saying bear..that’s why I’m saying bear at leats
I’d choose a bear too. My only problem with the comparison is that it only includes choosing a bear over a man. I would choose a bear over a woman too or any human being. I wish it was acknowledged *in general* how *all* humans can be cruel and dangerous. I wouldn’t feel safe alone with a man. I wouldn’t feel safe alone with a woman either. I wouldn’t feel safe alone with any other gender.
Bears are more predictable than any human. There’s set things you can do to deter a bear attack, less so for a human. Also another point that no one is mentioning- there’s fates worse than death. As a victim of assault, I’d rather be killed than live with the trauma of another assault.
Hi! I think someone on TikTok asked if you’d rather be alone in the woods with a random man or a random bear. A certain subset of men are upset that most women in the initial comment section picked the bear for the same reasons that a lot of people here are going with the bear. A smaller subset of men are going to social media to complain, and a lot of those guys seem absolutely determined to accidentally prove that those women were absolutely right to pick the bear.
I think the point of the conversation is less about the individual risks and more about the societal risks. And let’s be honest, a bear is probably more predictable than strange humans are in general
A bear is supposed to be in the woods. I’m on its territory. A bear would only kill me.
A man likely followed me into those woods. And he wouldn’t just kill me. He could take me to his home, keep me in a basement for weeks or months or years. A man could violate me. Torture me. Rape me while I’m alive, rape me while I’m dead.
I’d prefer being nourishment for a bear. Ultimately, it’s a creature trying to survive. A man in that scenario wouldn’t be trying to survive, but to find sick satisfaction.
Y'all need to understand it's not about bear or man
It's about encountering a bear or a strange man in the wild
If the setting was a supermarket no one would choose the bear
I have had a shit experience with women over my genetics fucking me over and all kicking me to the curb because of the size of my penis. This has made my dating life absolutely miserable and pretty much shattered, and the crippling depression that comes with it. Because of this, I see that women are more likely going to be size queens than not be. I don't approach anyone because I can't risk being ridiculed again. I have gone on previous subreddits and said this just to see if I could see a slight bit of light at the end of the tunnel, places like AskWomenNoCensor, AskRedditAfterDark, all places that claim to be a safe space. Do you know what I was met with? Reassurance? No. Any healthy viewpoint and no gaslighting? Yet again, no. What I was met with, is being called an incel, misogynistic, disgusting man, all directions pointing to me that it's all my fault it all happened (remember I was born being less endowed I couldn't make myself become well endowed). Just like IRL where women found out what happened to me, suddenly turned funny with me. The point to all of this, is such comments like that, and actions like that to me, and then me, a man, making comments of my perspective, is enough to make women see red and throw all that out in my face and go as far to say I deserve it, but yet comments such as "I'd rather be in the woods with a bear than be in the woods with a man", not a rapist, but "a man", somehow gets a free pass from being labelled misandristic. Somehow when when it's men being taken for a ride, we should all cower down and and not call this out.
I'm choosing the human (men or women, I don't care, they can both be dangerous) over the bear. No matter what the other person might be thinking, I just KNOW I have a bigger chance at escaping/beating the shit out of him/her than escaping/beating the shit out of a FUCKING bear.
Don't give me that thing of "oh but the person can do horrific things to you" Yeah, I also have the possibility of doing horrific shit to the other person, but you know what I won't be capable of? Doing horrific things to a animal that can kill me by just slapping me, and I'm certain that I can't out run, out swim and/or out climb a bear.
I love how OP doesn't understand that humans have studied wild animals enough to understand the way they think, and how predictable they really are, but not humans because, unlike wild animals, we all have a more complex thought process. Sloth beats, for example, are prey to tigers, and we know that they immediately choose fight over flight 99% of the time. Grizzlies, we know they aren't necessarily aggressive towards humans but will hunt and attack use in special circumstances. Men? Not so much. Sure, not all men are bad, and no one is saying they are, but you can't predict what a man is going to do to you. Recorded fatal bear attacks in North America show that from 2000 to 2019, Grizzly bears were involved in 17 fatal attacks. On average, one person is killed by a bear each year in North America. According to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, women experience about 4.8 million intimate partner-related physical assaults and rapes every year. 4.8 MILLION in just domestic violence situations. Looking at those numbers, what do you expect women to choose?
[Source 1](https://gitnux.org/most-dangerous-bears/)
[Source 2](https://now.org/resource/violence-against-women-in-the-united-states-statistic/#:~:text=DOMESTIC%20VIOLENCE%20(Intimate%20Partner%20Violence%20or%20Battering)&text=According%20to%20the%20National%20Center,assaults%20and%20rapes%20every%20year.)
I expected women to know how statistics work. What do you think you're more likely to die from: A person who is practically always in your close proximity, or a bear in a forest kilometers away from you, which you may have a chance of encountering ONLY if you hike without a way to defend yourself.
"Bears usually operate [in a very similar way]".
"Bang a stick on a pan and you're most likely fine"
If it's black, fight back;
If it's brown, lie down;
If it's white, say goodnight.
There's a reason for this saying.
Even WOMAN can come up with multiple ways to torment me and act as if they are completely passive and innocent. I’m so tired of other women treating themselves or even animals like passive angles that never harm people and men as demons. Men are never believed specifically when women harm tnem, and the other women act like they are collectively passive, vs the horrid unpredictable men.
I default to any bear answer as a joke. I don't understand the reasoning behind legitimate persons that think a literal bear would give you more chance of surviving than the average joe.
"Bears are scared by loud noises" sure if it's a small cub of a relatively docile kind of bear like a black bear you might scare them, the average bear will try to either kill you or scare you off cause your in a 1 mile radius around them and they can smell you, I guarantee you no screaming or rock throwing is going to scare off a confused startled bear a few feet away from you that's like 4 times your size.
"Human can be malicious and get creative with their torture" do you really think that the mentality of the average men is to attack and torture on sight any woman they don't know given the opportunity? Like literally. That's psychopathic behavior (and the most extreme cases, most psychopaths won't really think like that). I think we would know by now if the average men was a psychopath.
If an average man and an average woman were magically teleported to a forest I guarantee you the first thought on both heads would be "wut?" Not "Oh I can do whatever I want to her, let me think about the worst thing you can do to a human being".
Is that what those people think the *average* man thinks??? Like fr, half of the globe population?
"Bears kill fast" No they don't?? They maul you and one they realize you're not a threat leave your broken body to die on it's own, that's exactly why people says you should throw yourself to the ground, curl up and protect your neck if a grizzly is attacking you, so they think they already hurt you enough for you to die and leave.
I think most people who truly believe they have a better chance with a bear are the kind of people that talks and writes before thinking and that would answer the trolley problem with "of course I pull the lever, is less people dead" when reality is that most studies confirm that when people encounter such difficult choices the vast majority chose innaction regardless of the consequences, like the whole plot of the SAW franchise is just that.
I’m going to be honest, I think the people who answer bear don’t see men as human at all compared to the bear, and instantly think that the man WILL commit rape or SA on sight in the forest.
“well a man could-“ yeah a bear could do other brutal things to you as well, because they are wild animals, not puppies.
We humans in general aren’t as predicable, but this question specifically singles out men and not humans, and some women here say they’d rather see another women, likely because they don’t fear women, nor have had bad experimce with women. I think people’s fear of men, and honestly fearmongering of men as if we are sharks, literally cause them to see men as only rapist and abusers, I don’t think some ever humanized men to begin with. Most of these women also likely don’t have violent experimces with women like how some men may have, so they humanize women more, or rather themselves as in “oh of course women won’t harm you, I’m a woman”.
That's the truth though. If a bear decides to kill me I'll be dead after an hour if I'm really unlucky since bears don't kill, they just start eating. If a man decides that I deserve to suffer he can kill me little by little for years and make me wish I was dead.
Humans are on the top of the food chain, we’re dangerous predators. I have locks on my door to keep out humans, not bears. There are a million scenarios, some I’d choose bear, some I’d choose man, there are some I’d choose woman, whatever, it’s just a hypothetical. Am I hurt and need help, what kind of bear is it, is the man or woman armed, all those things change my answer, but the point of the question isn’t to make men feel bad or to pair us off with bears or strangers. The question was asked to start a discussion, not an argument. If the answer hurts your feelings try and figure out why it hurts your feelings and what you can do about it instead of telling people their opinions are wrong just because you disagree with them.
How do you still not get this after it being reposted so many times?
Bears can pretty much only injure or kill you and is less likely to do any of this.
Men can hurt, injure, kill, rape, abuse, kidnap, indoctrinate, torture, human traffic, gaslight, mentally abuse, extort, and so much more PLUS there are many men who would do one of these things if given a situation where they would not be punished, such as it occurring in the middle of the woods with no evidence to view.
Bears don’t do much, and they don’t tend to harm you if you don’t anger them. Maybe the answers would be different if it were say “ be trapped in the ocean with a man or a killer whale” but in this situation, you should quit taking the answers personal as they are literally built upon a mountain of facts. Maybe you being offended by this says more about you then what women think of men
What I find funny about the women who choose the 🐻 , they’re likely the same women who support trans women using women’s spaces like locker rooms and bathrooms, which is allowing men in extremely private women’s areas. And, they likely support trans women in women’s sports, which is literally men beating women.
Mans not understanding the question. Can this subreddit please not turn misogynistic? There’s loads of good this subreddit could do to unteach toxic masculinity
It's misandry: Prejudice against men because of their sex.
The worst is that they paint all men as dangerous potential rapists while claiming they're not being misandrists in the same breath. Closeted misandrists.
My gal, if you're acting like all men is dangerous because they're men it **is** textbook misandry.
No different than acting like all black men are dangerous because they're black is racism. (some even wrote that it's different because blacks are oppressed, like if it makes any difference)
Its not that I think every men is a dangerous potential rapist, I know most men arent. Its that I can't know who is and who isnt. Thats all. I just simply dont want to take that risk. I dont understand why that is so frowned upon.
so true, us women KNOW not all men are dangerous, its just enough of them are to make us wary. we cant tell who is and isnt planning on assaulting us, we’re just trying to keep ourselves safe
It’s frowned upon by people who just don’t understand the reality of what it’s like to be a woman or otherwise in that position of feeing threatened by society.
Speaking as a guy, it’s easy to say “the guy” but I think the topic is an important one to discuss since rape culture is sadly alive and well, and not enough men are brave enough to confront that reality that the world if kinda terrifying for women.
To guys: please don’t take this discussion personally. Just because you don’t experience it doesn’t mean it’s not real. No one is trying to say you’re personally the problem I promise. But please, reflect on the discussion and keep an open mind.
I will take this discussion personally for being fearmongered over a bear. Last time it was a shark. Last time it was chocolate, the other it was cats. I’m tried of being seen as evil.
The answers here instantly assume the male will rape based off of steotyping based on the idea of him existing as a male.
Im tired of women fearmongering me and comparing animals to my sex, and seeing my sex as lesser than that animal because of the assumption they form that my sex will instantly rape you on sight
I’m tired of hearing “we don’t know which ones!” from women who would likely casually pass by a female abuser and not show any fear with that abuser, and would not treat women as lesser because of having traumatic experience with women.
I’m tired of people using the ideal of only male on female rape culture as an excuse to demonize my sex only. A woman raping you and her being seen as innocent and passive for it, I’m scared that some women may do stuff like that, yet my sex is only seen as violent and unpredictable when really, humans are unpredictable...
I don’t make up random questions like this just to treat women as barbaric as lesser than men or lesser than animals just because women irl have harassed, assaulted me and almost ran me over, and I don’t get why so may women get the excuse to be sexist towards me, and demand empathy for it, while I wouldn’t get the excuse of trauma to say stuff like this and generalize women, not without being seen as a bigot, rightfully so.
I don’t purposely compare women to dangerous animals to say that I choose the dangerous animal and proceed to act like women are unpredictable creatures.
I would love to see people holding other men accountable, all I have experienced is excuses and defamation of my character and suggesting I "wanted it" by even people I called my friends. Because it's "just natural".
If you hold people accountable for their actions, I thank you deeply from the bottom of my heart and I wish I knew more people like you.
To be fair, I do not have many men surrounding me. I have 4 trusted men in my life and the rest I keep at arms length because of how I have been hurt in the past.
Seeing a bear in the woods is predictable, seeing a man alone is worrying to many.
Bears act upon instinct, people act upon impulse. Depending on the bear, many have better chances with the bear than with a dude.
>people act upon impulse.
>seeing a man alone is worrying
Funny how you say that **people** act on impulse after saying that seeing a **man** alone is worrying.
You really saying that men are dangerous by nature due to impulses.
_Then_ wonders why some men take offense in such generalists claims...
For many people, seeing a man alone in the woods is worrying for them. Seeing a bear in it’s natural habitat isn’t immediately alarming.
And I emphasized people are impulsive because it’s not just men that are impulsive. Just like how women know it’s not all men who harm others, but some are not willing to take that chance due to their personal reasons and/or experiences.
If this whole thing was Bear VS Woman, I wouldn’t be offended if many men chose a bear instead of a woman. Their reasons are their own and I’m not going to be mad at them. ✌️
>I wouldn’t be offended if many men chose a bear instead of a woman.
Most would (and did) start asking in which conditions the encounter would be because it matters greatly when deciding which is more dangerous.
At a big enough distance both don't matter.
At a medium distance things like "if they noticed me" or what's between them and you matter.
At a close distance things like "how you react" and "how you could react to their reaction" matters.
At a "I tripped on them" distance, a Bear would be a death sentence if you don't factor huge luck, so it's either Death or gamble the (wo)men you met isn't crazy or fleeing the police.
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You not feeling offended doesn't take agency from others to be.
Everyone have the right to be offended when they're called "more dangerous than bears" because they're men. Generalization is bad.
This might be a cogent criticism, if there wasn’t a reasonable expectation of dangerous behavior towards women from one group that doesn’t exist for the other group.
Your contention hinges on the equivalence between “black people commit more crime” (true, but explained by sociological factors rather than genetic ones) and “men commit more sexual assault.” The reason this is a false equivalence is because the statistics for black people committing more crime lines up almost perfectly with black people being economically disadvantaged, whereas the statistics for men committing more sexual assault are just that — men commit more sexual assault.
Now, to be clear, hating men and hating poor people are both bad. The problem I have with your statement is that it equates being guarded against men with being prejudiced against black people. It is reasonable to be guarded against a poor person, who may be black, because there are economic factors incentivizing dangerous behavior in that instance. It is not reasonable to be bigoted against black people regardless of class. It is ALSO not reasonable to hate poor people and think they deserve to stay poor, but it IS reasonable to be guarded and concerned for your own safety when around people significantly poorer than you.
Similarly: It is reasonable for women to be guarded around men because of social factors incentivizing the crossing of boundaries, and unreasonable for women to hate men and oppose actions/rhetoric that would reform those social factors.
Also, the question being asked proposes a scenario with “a stranger in the woods who is a man” — I’m a man, and I would also take the bear, and I don’t think that is a belief equivalent in misandry to the racism in the belief that “all black men are dangerous”. Because women have more to worry about from the strange man in the woods because of sexual assault, but frankly, the root of the question is kind of universal: I’d much rather deal with a wild animal in its own territory that would probably behave predictably for its species, than a stranger in a scenario where his behavior would be completely unpredictable and there are no witnesses or other people to stop him.
>This might be a cogent criticism, if there wasn’t a reasonable expectation of dangerous behavior towards women from one group that doesn’t exist for the other group.
Let's ignore how any kind of attack from women towards men goes under reported, or even worse, ends with the man being charged because he "obviously did something".
FFS, news outlets don't even call it "rape" when it's a woman the perpetrator of the crime.
>whereas the statistics for men committing more sexual assault are just that — men commit more sexual assault.
So no reasoning behind the why? Just accept that it's nature and move on? Seems on par with anything else that affects men negatively...
Everyone and their mom have an argument to justify everything they want, when it comes to men people blatantly stop at "they do X more".
Would be funny if not sad. _Then_ people wonder why men take offense of that...
>So no reasoning behind the why? Just accept that it's nature and move on? Seems on par with anything else that affects men negatively...
I literally said it was social, not nature. Learn to read. Or maybe turn down the victim complex — you’re only hearing what you want to hear.
>I literally said it was social, not nature.
About sexual assault you said nothing.
What you said about social is, and I quote:
>social factors incentivizing the crossing of boundaries
Which is a plain lie as in 2024 what's being hammered almost daily is how men should **and shouldn't** treat and approach women, how we're dangerous, how they want to be left alone...
There's more about what men shouldn't do than what men can do, and when men ask women about what they can do, being willingly to listen, they either get the opposite or conflicting answers.
I'm not the one treating an entire gender as a danger to society, tell others to turn down the victim complex.
_I_ don’t have to do anything. _I’m_ not the one making statements about entire groups of people.
Besides I already do live with rapists. (In your mind, man = rapist)
Because you’re mad and tantruming that women are more afraid of rapists than bears, yet you want to blame women for this instead of blaming your fellow man who rapes. as if women are just mind readers and know whos safe and whos not. Lol.
The only thing that I’m mad about is the demonization of an entire group of people.
>yet you want to blame women for this instead of blaming your fellow man who rapes. Lol.
“You, random man. It’s your fault women hate you because of the actions of 0.01% of men.”
Perhaps I should live with bears. A bear won’t falsely accuse me of rape or pedophilia.
So wait, in your backwards logic,
would you prefer women undoubtedly trust ALL men never see them to be potentially violent or rapists, and get themselves in super dangerous situations or raped, just so your feelings dont get hurt that they might “generalize”’you or distrust you because you’re a man? is that your… argument in this? lmao like is that really as far as your brain can stretch? you can’t empathize even a shred that women being distrustful of men might protect them from being raped? no, instead its about how this solely impacts you as a man only, and women’s safety be damned? you cant be serious 😂
>would you prefer women undoubtedly trust ALL men never see them to be potentially violent or rapists, and get themselves in super dangerous situations or raped, just so your feelings dont get hurt that they might “generalize”’you or distrust you because you’re a man?
No, just like I would prefer men to not undoubtedly trust all women not be potentially violent, rapists or deceivers.
>you can’t empathize even a shred that women being distrustful of men might protect them from being raped?
Why must I, when people like you would have zero empathy if a man was distrustful of women due to last trauma?
>no, instead its about how this solely impacts you as a man only, and women’s safety be damned? you cant be serious 😂
Why is my duty to make strangers feel safe?
I’m always empathetic when people are wary of others, especially because of trauma or fear of rape. It’s hilarious you can spout all of this nonsense off and then not see why a woman would prefer a bear over you lmao. Men are more dangerous to women than bears. Statistically and in theory. period. end of story. Its okay if you want to sulk and feel bad for yourself that you’re being “lumped in with the bad apples” again- its the bad apples you’re mad at and not the people afraid of them.
>I’m always empathetic when people are wary of others, especially because of trauma or fear of rape.
Unless they’re a man?
>It’s hilarious you can spout all of this nonsense off and then not see why a woman would prefer a bear over you lmao.
If I was propagandized by government schools and the media to feel a certain way about women, I’d probably feel that way.
>Men are more dangerous to women than bears. Statistically and in theory. period. end of story.
99.99% of humans don’t live near bears, genius.
>Its okay if you want to sulk and feel bad for yourself that you’re being “lumped in with the bad apples” again- its the bad apples you’re mad at and not the people afraid of them.
You’re not mad at the “bad apples”. You’re mad at random people.
Nope some of them do it all the time to say otherwise is straight up lying I mean your one search away from kill all men it’s all men all men this all men that that is generalizing
sad that you think that way. but I think if you were ever raped or abused as a child, or held down by a larger man trying to force penetration on you, I think you would understand where these people’s fear actually comes from. Rape ruins people’s entire lives. its not something you sweep under the rug and forget.
Your anger should be pointed at the dangerous men and rapists of the world, not at the people who are afraid of them and might accidentally “lump you in with them” trying to protect themselves.
I was harassed, assulted, almost ran-over all by different women, slapped to the ground once by my mom for a haircut, but I don’t use my trauma as an excuse to be openly bigoted to women.
I do not create imaginary questions that compare women to wild animals, only so I can purposely pin and generalize women as unpredictable, dangerous, and already assume that the woman will already harass, assault, and murder me, just because she’s a woman, therefore I already would’ve made up my mind to pick any wild animal over a woman, because she’s a woman, not because she’s a unpredictable human, in comparison fo a predicable animal that could also become unpredictable real quick.
It’s not a thing that these men don’t understand having trauma from the opposite sex that harmed them, no, many men understand but many others do not use past experimce or trauma as an excuse to fearmonger the opposite sex, or see the opposed sex as lesser and unpredictable rapist.
Otherwise those men that do, just get called misogynistic, sexist, or redpillers, not seen as traumatized victims for being awful towards the other sex making up bigoted questions and answers, which you know what? Rightfully so, but then I expect the same standard to apply to women who compare me to animals.
I wasn't raped by a man but I was sexually attacked in the shower by a woman when I was 14. Is it ok to treat all women like rapists now?
Using your trauma as an excuse to discriminate people isn't a woman privilege thing is it?
Being hesitant with people is one thing, treating them badly is another. This joke is intentionally trying to make people feel bad for existing. It is a "Men bad" joke extrapolated by stereotypes and bad experiences.
No, its not, its not a joke its just a thought exercise. You being personally offended by it is not the intention of others.
No one is treating men badly by stating the fact that they would rather run into a bear in the woods than a random man. You’re just choosing to feel personally called out by this when other men arent, its up to you to analyze why.
This is the thing, it's generalisation, just like when Sarah Everard was killed, there were women pratting around claiming all men are rapists and serial killers, but when anyone opposed and said not all men, you best believe there was backlash thrown their way. It even got to a point where UK House of Lords member wanted to get men banned from being allowed out the house after 6pm, and shit tons of women were entirely on board with the idea. So before you try to say that wasn't generalising all men, think again. But let us suppose men went ahead and said they would much rather be locked in the gym with a group of tigers, as opposed to being in the gym with a group of women because he is too afraid he will be falsely accused of being a pervert and creeping on women all because he looked at them, you're telling me that places such as all the ask women forums on Reddit and other areas of social media wouldn't be kicking up and uproar about how men are evilly demonising all women? They would be incels, closet creeps, you name it. You're off your rocker if you believe women would think "this is just a thought exercise". There would be uproar left and right. It's the same as a man saying most women would prefer to find a 6ft tall man to date and most women hate short men. It doesn't take much from saying that to shift the tension in the room and quickly point out how that man is an incel and he is disgustingly generalising. Taking precautions is what anyone will do, generalising an entire demographic is another, and that is what this is. If you're seriously going to say "I would rather risk being torn to shreds by a bear then be in the woods with a man", then it's you who are the crazy ones. It's you who are putting every man under the same umbrella. But why stop there? Why does it end with the man being the criminal? I see no sign of anyone insinuating that the woman might be capable of pulling out a knife and killing a man. Of course not because that would mean them admitting they are capable of vile acts. I get women have trauma from the past with some men, but if you think for a second that the way forward is to constantly paint all men with the same brush is going to do anything for your mindset, I'm afraid you got another thing coming. And fueling this tirade is no good deed for your fellow women you seem oh son concerned of, but instead, fucking up their heads further. So crack on, one day you'll realise its folks like you who are the problem.
So did you just lie about being raped? Cause as someone who was raped twice and had 3 attempts before the age of 19, id never speak that way about a man speaking out on his experience. “Stop making mwn feel bad” as you step on female victims voices…. Please check yourself.
>So did you just lie about being raped?
I wouldn't necessarily say raped. A woman got in the public showers at a camping site while I was occupying it and started touching me, trying to kiss me and stuff. She was pushy and wouldn't let me go. I was too afraid to scream. Eventually I managed to slip away. Never said anything about it. I just called my parents to come and get me.
That wasn't the only unconsensual experience I had with women unfortunately both in childhood and adulthood.
Talking about your experiences isn't saying women are a cold vicious predator to which I prefer bears to.
See i had sympathy, and i do for the child that was raped in the shower, but that last paragraph, thats where you go wrong,
We arent saying all men we are saying we prefer death over being raped again.
But men are taking it as us saying all men and even speaking over us, telling us our fears are wrong.
Even you proved with the -this joke- no ones joking about picking the bear
Some don’t do it on accident quite a bit do it on purpose even knowing how ignorant it can sound a lot of the arguments I see as well are scarily similar to a racists argument even with the trauma it is never ok to generalize all because of a terrible person
Again. Point your anger at the rapists blending in with men. Not the people who are rightfully justified of being afraid of rape. you cant just spot the difference between a safe man and not safe man alone in the woods. it doesn’t work like that.
What about saying that men are more intelligent than bears leads to assuming that women are dumber? Humans in general are more intelligent than bears but the current conversation was about male human beings.
Yes, but by specifying men *specifically,* she's implying that women aren't capable of that same kind of cunning and intelligence. Bears cannot plan things or torture people or have malicious intent because they do not have the brain capacity to do so. She is saying that because men have that higher capacity, the intelligence to do so, that they are more dangerous. Thus *implying* that women are less dangerous because she accidentally implied that women lack the same capacity for cunning and malice.
It's classic radfem rhetoric - they believe that men are more dangerous because they believe they're biologically superior to women, without realizing that the very idea of believing men to be biologically superior is in and of itself misogynistic. They take a very general difference caused by natural sexual dimorphism and twist it into this exaggerated notion to support their beliefs - the exact same notions that sexism is built upon.
It’s more about having the physical strength to do whatever you want to do. It’s much easier for a man to plan an attack on a woman than the opposite. A woman would have to take extra steps to overpower the man.
For a good while there has been a "my toxic trait" trend circulating the Internet, and one of the more common ones were actually "my toxic trait is I think I can go up to a bear and pet it with no repercussions" along those lines. Let's take a moment to imagine the uproar if men started going around saying they would rather go to the gym and be locked in there with a tiger than have women in there because he wouldn't be falsely reported for harassment over a quick glance. I mean, women can barely handle it when men go around saying they commonly prefer men who are over 6ft tall without bringing out the incel card into play. So I'll go ahead and do some of the say this moron in the post is a classic femcel.
Yo, if 9/10 women claimed false rape youd have a valid argument. It’s not all men but its 90% of women that end up being raped or S/A. Use picking the bear isnt us saying all men, its us saying “we pick death or rape” go look at the video of the creator of the question explaining it himself…
Not just the stats that you have correct. But also that some men seem to think that being falsely accused is on the same level as actually being assaulted. Most cases don't even make it to court, a false accusation is horrible and can turn someone's life upside down. But being assaulted? They are lucky they do not know how it feels. If they knew, they wouldn't make the comparison at all.
>Most cases don't even make it to court, a false accusation is horrible and can turn someone's life upside down.
Yeah, that's not as bad at all, is it? It's only that you get one life and it was fucked up entirely purely because someone decided to open their mouth and maliciously slander someone to get one over on them (this does not apply to actual women victims). Let's take Johnny Depp and Amber Heard for example, where just using her words happened to get J.D axed from his role in Fantastic Beasts and the lengths he had to go through to clear his name. A false accusation and ruining someone's life can in fact lead to suicide, but yeah no biggie, because at the end of the day he's only a man. Nah totally not comparable at all. Give me a break.
Both actions have the ability to turn lives upside down. But to no surprise we turn a blind eye to one of them.
Except majority of cases are not big Hollywood cases, and the woman often isn't believed. False accusations are so rare, yet people use it as a "gothca" whilst in the same breath telling women to relax because rape is "so rare". It's more common than false accusations.
I have a close friend who was falsely accused, and has proven his innocence. His life was a mess for around a year. The same friend holds me whilst my body is being ripped apart my flashbacks. He would tell you that falsely accused isn't the worst thing.
Yes and I have a friend who was domestically abused and SA'd by his girlfriend. I, myself, have been a victim of revenge porn by one woman who I thought were the fairytale happily ever after ending, and treated like shit by others, so should I start taking my chances with a tiger because the actions of someone close to home performing such a vile act? I in fact went down the road of generalising because of my bitterness and shame, but you want to know the key difference? With me, I was called an incel and told to grow some balls "be a man and get over it". My friend? He didnt get believed by anyone not even his family. It was only because he had one of those amazon camera's installed on the sly that he was able to accumulate evidence of the hell and black mail he was living with. "You leave me you never see your kid again" type of shit. And on the flip side, as I said, all a woman needs to do is talk and a man's life is ruined potentially ruined. Even if his name is cleared, he still has that accusation attached to his name. To say women are often not believed is ignorantly underestimating the power behind it to suit your narrative.
My rapist didn’t get jail time. The other one that raped me for 8-9 months and would drag me to his house with the help of his father, will never see a day in court. Why? Cause i have 0 proof, when i reported it, i had to tell the police on camera that i knew it was very unlikely that the second guy would ever be brought in. All because i can’t remember exact dates that his penis entered me.. the first guy got 3 years house arrest and sex therapy… i have to pay out of pocket for my psychical therapy… the government is covering his… so yea tell me how being “falsely accused” is way worse or the same as being raped please
EDIT: VICTIMS OF ABUSE AND SA DEFENDED JOHNNY AND BOYCOTTED STUFF TO BEING HIM BACK, the fuck is wrong with you?
A woman once completely misused the definition of rape against me all because of the size of my penis didn't "feel big enough" for her when we first slept together. And because she loosely threw around dangerous words like that, and despite that it wasn't rape and people clocked on to her flip flopping comments, my life was a living hell. Even when she tried to apologise and admit her wrong doing, I was known as that guy who was connected with the word. Don't try to come on here and undermine how crushing that is to ones life for being falsely accused all because you're part of some anti-men crusade.
Come on dude. Being falsely accused IS horrible, but it’s far more rare than being actually assaulted. Even if I were to agree that they’re comparable in severity, the comparison STILL falls apart just in terms of frequency and risk.
Not to mention that your go-to example, Johnny Depp, became a media darling throughout that entire case and has gone from “that guy who comes to work high and has his lines fed to him by earpiece” to “that guy who got justice against an abusive partner”. That case REHABILITATED his public image, it didn’t damage it. There’s nothing even remotely equivalent between that and being sexually assaulted.
It's far more rare because its far more under reported. Just because you don't see every case on the telly, doesn't mean it's not commonly happening. My point is, women can use words, men have to go beyond. It ain't rocket science.
Johnny’s case gets even sadder when you look at the evidence used in his other assault case and the UK trial they did. And when you take into account her witness’s who were thrown out or called liars. Its a very sad case.
The whole thing is that there is only so many things a bear can do and the too many things a whole person can do. Bears act upon instinct, humans act upon impulse. Nobody said bears are harmless, but if someone was attacked by a bear it would be believed without question.
"If someone was attacked by a bear it would be believed without question." What an unfortunately good point.
I see valid points in choosing bear over stranger dude, don’t get me wrong…. HOWEVER…. Bears don’t just kill you and it’s over. They often will purposely keep you alive for as long as they can and rip pieces of you off of you. I mean it does tend to be an agonizing and torturous event. None of these options sound pleasant.
Mainly bears kill without maliciousness, it’s simply in their nature. I wouldn’t be angry with a bear if it decided to maim me, it’s doing what a bear does. Humans however, do not. Humans kill with with maliciousness. Many murders happen one of two ways, extensively planned, or done impulsively.
That’s true. They don’t just do it for funsies. Humans should only kill as a last resort to save their own life.
Yep, and as a true crime listener so many cases happen because of the small moment of opportunity to do the worst. Many won’t do that, but some ain’t willing to take that chance. Bears are just doing what they do with emotion as they just ain’t built like that.
Fair
I don't really think that i would care much about malice or instinct when i'm getting violently ripped into pieces and eaten alive
No, but bears kill without malice, humans do. I wouldn’t be mad if a bear killed me, but I’d be pissed if a human did. 🤷♀️
Also true.
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Not just rapists. Here is my history. Molested at 10. Raped at 16. Beaten from 6 - 13. Married at 17. Beaten for 4 years. Married #2. Beaten 1 time. Married #3. He, and he alone, is better than a bear.
I'm sorry that happened and I'm sorry your case is so common.
hi! im a zookeeper that works with mostly ursine's (aka bears) and tbf i would also rather choose a bear than a man. Cause ngl most bears are dumb as hell and easy to predict. Like no offence but there are some men that if there is no-one around would do HORRIBLE things to someone weaker. Its not a question whether or not you would be in a forest with a man you know. Its is a random person. they could be a racist or a homophobe hate your religon or just want to hurt somone with out repercussions. And in that case would you rather choose that person over a bear. Its a question of statistics. Couse i know a how a bear is gonna behave. but every single man on earth will have different opinions and do different actions that i personally cannot predict. Like of course most men will help you but what if you just get unlucky? The reason most people here chose a man is because they themselves are male. But if you are for example crippled or a woman that is weaker than an average man. Would you take your chance with a possible monster or just choose a animal that can be very easily bypassed?
My take on the whole man or bear thing is undecided but I will say this. Wild animals are typically far more predictable than people. Specially bears. They act on instinct. People are incredibly unpredictable which is why they struggle to make predictions models where you input the human variable.
Also if I'm out enjoying the woods alone I'm expecting animals, maybe even a bear. I'm prepared in advance and know what to do. If It's the same scenario but instead there's just a random man who's just kinda, there, I'm definitely assuming malicious intent. An animal watching you from the treeline is normal, a human watching you from the treeline is extremely abnormal and worrying.
Also, if it’s a man I KNOW, I’m definitely choosing the man. But it’s implied to be a stranger.
Intentionally misunderstanding the whole premise of the question
Thank you for confirming our bias. The men who are offended by our answer, are part of the problem because they are refusing to acknowledge the fear women face regularly of sexual violence from men. We don’t generally have experience being attacked by bears, which everyone understands would be awful. If we haven’t personally experienced sexual violence, we are close to someone who has. Real experience trumps imagined experience. It’s that simple. 🤷🏼♀️ Edit: clarified “it”
Imagine hearing *most women choose the bear* and thinking > "women are stupid" or "women are hateful" (misogyny) instead of > "men must REALLY terrify women; that's so awful" (empathy) or even just "I wonder why women choose the bear" (curiosity). If your instinct is to try to show why women are wrong to feel this way... you are one of the men who makes us choose the bear. (Edited for slightly better phrasing)
absolutely!! I think they’re more concerned about being “lumped in” and “judged” as a potential rapist, than they are concerned about how much women fear actual rapists or violence. Its incredibly short sighted and vapid- they cant see two inches past their own faces. They aren’t able to form the empathy to understand. they’re just mad that women are afraid of them. They’re actually mad at the rapists making them look bad, but they’d rather blame the women for being afraid. its pathetic.
As a male, negetivly comparing me as worse than an animal is always gonna sound bigoted (even if you do this to women, you’ll be called sexist, rightfully so), especially because these women use bears in this question to target or dehumanize men, and to prove that men are unpredictable creatures, but humans in general are, including women, many of which who abuse, assault, and rape men or their own children despite acting passive to get away with it, but people within this question act like women themselves or even bears are completely passive and men as dangerous creature. I as a male, I’m not showing you empathy for belittling me under a wild animal and fearmonger me, that’s still a form of hate and agresson. You shouldn’t demand empathy from the identity you specifically go out of your way to compare below a animal. I don’t get how some women expect empathy from men in situations like this where they proudly belittle, shame, and openly see men as lesser than human. I have my own fears of women assaulting and raping me, doesn’t mean I go out of my way to dehumanize women then shame anyone who disagrees.
Imagine saying that men are worse than literal animals and then thinking > Why don't they show empathy towards our choice? Why don't they wonder why we call every single one of them a rapist?
1 in 4 women experiencing sexual violence is not generalizing anything about “most men” or “all men”. It’s saying I, or someone I know, has experienced sexual violence. But I don’t know any one who has experienced a bear attack. How many people are assaulted by a bear every year? How many women are sexually assaulted by men every year? There is your answer.
The chances if encountering a bear are way less
That’s not the point. 🤦🏼♀️ Thanks again for making the point. Men won’t acknowledge how common it is that women experience sexual violence from men and how deeply that impacts our trust of men. 🙄 Edit: spelling
66 Bear related deaths in 200 years. Hundreds (think it was around 300) of encounters in an average year and only 12 ending in an attack. 1/25 odds mean while.. if I count the number of men who have had me in a vulnerable situation and showed me I couldn’t trust them… At least 19.. classmates, family, friends of family, coworkers, people who pretended to be my friends, and yes some ex’s. The majority of guys who were around me in vulnerable situations. And ya I didn’t report any of it so none of that info will hit statistics. Same with a lot of what we experienced. Can you see why someone would choose bear if that was their experience in life? Especially if their friends and their mothers, aunts and grandmothers have multiple stories each? My aunts ex husband nearly ripped the skin off my great grandmother’s arm because she tried to help my aunt.. an old woman.. I think I’ve heard at a minimum 30 stories of different men doing vile things to the women in my life.. 47 instances within my personal bubble. Vs 1/25 of getting injured.. and at least if I got attacked by a single bear no one would think something was wrong with me if I wanted to stay away from bears afterwards. They would get it and not call my caution being sexist. How many guys that had the opportunity and didn’t? Hard to say for sure but to memory of guys in the same positions.. well at least 10 that had an opportunity didn’t take it. If 19 out of 29 times to memory you got hurt in some way. You would probably be cautious of it right? Especially if other people said they got hurt too? Would you choose that thing or the 1/25 thing? Knowing it would be just rolling two sets of dice against each other. But ya I do know not all guys. But any guy that’s not earned the trust is a dice roll.
From 2000-2015 there were in total 664 just brown bear attacks worldwide From 2000-2017 there were 48 fatal bear attacks in North America alone Your experiences except for being completely anecdotal might also not be true everyone can lie on the internet especially when you are anonymous You can be suspicious of men if your experiences with them are bad , its completely normal. But just dont criticize other people that are suspicious of less diverse groups of people . Like my grandmother with the Germans.
“Might not be true” mmmm that right there. That’s one of the reasons. Conversation over.
You act like people dont lie Just like you lied about the the bear statistics
https://bearvault.com/bear-attack-statistics/#:~:text=Since%201784%20there%20have%2066,end%20with%20zero%20bodily%20contact. “Since 1784 there have 66 fatal human/bear conflicts by wild black bears. Less than a dozen non-fatal conflicts happen each year, and the vast majority of encounters end with zero bodily contact.” I didn’t lie. I apparently missed the focus being on black bears, which happen to be the largest population of bears.
You also missed that thats only true for North America since black bears dont exist anywhere else
Ah so you’re the crowd who pretends women lie about sexual assaults to fit your argument that “men arent so bad”. Thats a real pathetic and dehumanizing way to respond to someone, you should be genuinely ashamed of yourself for dismissing a victim’s trauma to grandstand on fucking reddit. yuck. deplorable “human”.
No , I am of the crowd that believes that people lie on the internet
Have you seen how bears act? What kinda bear are we talking? Brown? Youre probably fine to walk away. Polar? You better pray you have a slug shotgun with many many rounds because it will hunt you down and kill you regardless of cubs or not.
Polar bears and sloth bears I’d be terrified of but at least if its eaten recently you’ll likely be safe. Polar bear attacks only really started increasing now that their habitats have been so destroyed. they’re coming closer and closer to “human territory”
The chances of an average person facing a polar bear are near zero. Men in the other hand... those are everywhere.
We did quite intentionally build our societies either far away from or with physical barriers to hostile fauna.
polar bears dont live in forests
>Terrestrial habitats used by polar bears include **forests**, mountains, rocky areas, lakeshores and creeks. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar\_bear](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear)
This post doesnt mention a forest with a single word
But they are getting it from the “would you rather be alone in a forest with a man or a bear” thing going around right now. They just left out a little of the original context.
Im sorry I have not been keeping up with everything that happens on the internet. Some people dont notice every single fad that last for 2 days and then vanishes. Even with that context I would add that the bear is the objectively wrong choice.
I really don't understand "bear" answers. Like, we have empirical data from Grafton, New Hampshire, that both women and men have revealed preference for presence of men in public spaces over presence of bears in public spaces. So, in real world situation, people are more afraid of bears. So why some people make claim that they would be more afraid of meeting bear than meeting random man? Is it signaling? Delusions? Ingroup conformism? Availability heurestics? Ignorance about bears? BTW, most of predators have nasty habit of eating victims alive, if it stops defending itself.
You clearly misunderstand the question, so I'll reiterate "would you rather be IN THE WOODS, ALONE, with a man, or a bear?" There is nothing said about would you rather be ATTACKED by a man, or a bear. And, statistically speaking, given that bears are generally afraid of people, most women choose the bear. I, myself, have encountered bears AND men in the woods, the bears were less scary, and none of them tried to follow me...
A bear is gona use me to survive, my two rapist didnt need to rape me. The second one didnt need to trap me in a school yard cornering me begging me to come back, the bear would have just killed me, not harmed me watch me get better and do it again. Also lets add the 3 other men who TRIED TO rape me. The wildlife ive encountered had at most chased me off of its territory…
Yup, just follow r/natureismetal and you don’t want to end up in the paws and jaws of a predator. That said, humans can be very horrible to eachother as well.
Hi, I’m from the area of a national park where black bears are accustomed to humans. I’ve encountered them plenty. I choose the bear, hands down. And you can say “black bears are small” or “they’re used to humans” or whatever, but when it comes down to it? It doesn’t matter if it’s 500 pounds or 2000, it’s still able to easily overpower me if it wants. It’s a fucking bear. And bears that are accustomed to humans are actually more dangerous because they’re less likely to be afraid of us and beat feet. They might see our trash as their food and take issue with us. The likelihood of a bear being predatory of humans is incredibly low. When I was young and more stupid than I am now, I used to hike and camp alone a lot. Bear sign wouldn’t keep me away from my favorite trails or sites. But fresh human sign? Yeah, I’m packing the fuck up and going home. IIRC, the biggest thing that was proved about bears in Grafton, NH is that they love dumpster diving and them becoming accustomed to humans is dangerous, which I said above.
The original question was more along the lines of “if you were alone in the woods it would be scarier seeing a man or a bear” It’s not about which one is more survivable or less dangerous, but purely an instinct emotional question. And the fact that so many men can’t empathize that women on first instinct are more scared of a man - and are doubling down that it *should* be a bear - are kind of justifying women’s answers https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMGSAopq/
I can tell you that when I've encountered bears, they've been running away from me. And that I had a fairly decent idea of how to handle the bears that I expected to find in the area. All from a single survival book I read as a kid. I can tell you that men have raped me three separate times in my life and assaulted me or threatened/purpotrated violence against me more times than I can even remember. My family and loved ones spent my entire childhood preparing me for how to protect myself FROM men specifically and, golly, would you look at that...didn't keep me safe. Bear. Forever.
Why is everyone so pressed about a make believe situation? Like who cares if someone picks bear or not because again it’s a make believe question even then is it actually that difficult for some of you ppl to try to understand why some people might pick a bear over a human? People don’t try to understand why someone might make that choice or the damage that was done to them to have this kind of trust. I think this question is so stupid, someone made up a make believe thing everyone is mad about it and it’s all just separating everyone even more. Why can’t we just listen instead of argue this is why there is so much tension and it’s because of stupid made up bull shit like this If you can’t see that get off the internet and go outside. No one’s opinions really matter in this situation anyways BECAUSE ITS A MADE UP SITUATION 🤯🤯🤯
That doesn’t sound like any fun. 😂😂😂😂😂
lol right these people: but I want to argueeee 😫😩😩
OP is acting like women are incapable of exactly the same thing she's describing for the man. The unpredictability comes from humans being unique beings that don't just follow instinctual behaviors. Some people are jerks. Some are not. That's the risk of being social.
This is the part I hate about the bear thing. It’s a human thing, not a gender thing. I wouldn’t feel safe being alone with any gender or sex of a human, I would choose the bear every time. Humans are cruel and unpredictable.
I find that lots of women always make women (themselves) out to be passive and non-abusive, but use trauma to generalize men as violent. Any comment that mentioned how lots of women rape, abuse, and assault others, gets downvoted, with a followed “nuh uh, it doesn’t happen much, I’d choose a bear because men are still unpredictable”, worn one even saying that they’d still choose a woman, despite the previous comment bringing up how women also do these things. Truth be told as a male who’s had women put their hands on me or harass me, I don’t see women as passive angels that do no wrong, but I reconize that no sex is innocent jut because of their sex. I won’t choose a bear, a woman, or a man.
This is literally the stupidest argument on the face of the planet Choosing a bear isn't hating on men or saying all men are bad BEARS ARE PREDICTABLE BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE THE MENTAL COMPACITY TO BE UNPREDICTABLE Yes bears van be smart but the difference is they will go off of instinct 9/10 A man will go off what he thinks and this is the dangerous part because the human mind differs from person to person. Because it differs it makes *people*, which includes men, unpredictable I would rather deal with the known than the unknown, that's why I choose the bear
Absolutely. If a hungry bear gets me I know I will suffer gruesome torture for a long time before I die. If a man targets me he can kill me, SA me, torture me, keep me in his house for years... There's so many options. With bears there's just two: it will kill me to defend it's offspring or it will eat me alive.
Exactly
Actually it makes sense. Wild animals are generally less complex than humans and thus more predictable. Plus, depending on where you live, a bear in the woods makes perfect sense. Just as I live in a place with a lot of walkers/hikers, so a guy in the woods makes perfect sense and isn't cause for concern. But that's definitely not the case everywhere.
She has a point, why would you post this like she's crazy?
i wouldn't have to sit at the family table with the bear after it attacked me. people wouldn't tell me to get over my bear attack because i should have liked it. the bear didn't give me any reason to trust it in the first place.
I’d chose bear..I know how bears behave I know that bears want nothing to do with me and should I come across them while hiking I know how to react and how tent react..I don’t know that with another person especially a random guy I feel like that’s why people are saying bear..that’s why I’m saying bear at leats
I have gone to the woods to find bears and to get away from strangers. This question is a no brainer.
I’d choose a bear too. My only problem with the comparison is that it only includes choosing a bear over a man. I would choose a bear over a woman too or any human being. I wish it was acknowledged *in general* how *all* humans can be cruel and dangerous. I wouldn’t feel safe alone with a man. I wouldn’t feel safe alone with a woman either. I wouldn’t feel safe alone with any other gender.
I actually agree with this. But, I'd focus it more toward humans in general than men or women.
Bears are more predictable than any human. There’s set things you can do to deter a bear attack, less so for a human. Also another point that no one is mentioning- there’s fates worse than death. As a victim of assault, I’d rather be killed than live with the trauma of another assault.
When the bear begins to eat you, assuming that is it its intent, you will not be dead.
Instructions unclear, I tried to scare a hungry grizzly bear and now I'm typing this with 1 hand.
What's this bears vs men nowadays? What is going on?
Hi! I think someone on TikTok asked if you’d rather be alone in the woods with a random man or a random bear. A certain subset of men are upset that most women in the initial comment section picked the bear for the same reasons that a lot of people here are going with the bear. A smaller subset of men are going to social media to complain, and a lot of those guys seem absolutely determined to accidentally prove that those women were absolutely right to pick the bear.
It's silly though. To each their own. If I find a human in woods then I would be happy. But to fued on something like this...it's silly.
Im a guy and id still choose the bear
I think the point of the conversation is less about the individual risks and more about the societal risks. And let’s be honest, a bear is probably more predictable than strange humans are in general
wild animals ARE less unpredictable than men are. They're less unpredictable than people in general are. that's the nature of things, op.
A bear is supposed to be in the woods. I’m on its territory. A bear would only kill me. A man likely followed me into those woods. And he wouldn’t just kill me. He could take me to his home, keep me in a basement for weeks or months or years. A man could violate me. Torture me. Rape me while I’m alive, rape me while I’m dead. I’d prefer being nourishment for a bear. Ultimately, it’s a creature trying to survive. A man in that scenario wouldn’t be trying to survive, but to find sick satisfaction.
Y'all need to understand it's not about bear or man It's about encountering a bear or a strange man in the wild If the setting was a supermarket no one would choose the bear
I have had a shit experience with women over my genetics fucking me over and all kicking me to the curb because of the size of my penis. This has made my dating life absolutely miserable and pretty much shattered, and the crippling depression that comes with it. Because of this, I see that women are more likely going to be size queens than not be. I don't approach anyone because I can't risk being ridiculed again. I have gone on previous subreddits and said this just to see if I could see a slight bit of light at the end of the tunnel, places like AskWomenNoCensor, AskRedditAfterDark, all places that claim to be a safe space. Do you know what I was met with? Reassurance? No. Any healthy viewpoint and no gaslighting? Yet again, no. What I was met with, is being called an incel, misogynistic, disgusting man, all directions pointing to me that it's all my fault it all happened (remember I was born being less endowed I couldn't make myself become well endowed). Just like IRL where women found out what happened to me, suddenly turned funny with me. The point to all of this, is such comments like that, and actions like that to me, and then me, a man, making comments of my perspective, is enough to make women see red and throw all that out in my face and go as far to say I deserve it, but yet comments such as "I'd rather be in the woods with a bear than be in the woods with a man", not a rapist, but "a man", somehow gets a free pass from being labelled misandristic. Somehow when when it's men being taken for a ride, we should all cower down and and not call this out.
What did you expect from reddit
How very empathetic of you. And you still think your feelings deserve validation from strangers?
I'm choosing the human (men or women, I don't care, they can both be dangerous) over the bear. No matter what the other person might be thinking, I just KNOW I have a bigger chance at escaping/beating the shit out of him/her than escaping/beating the shit out of a FUCKING bear. Don't give me that thing of "oh but the person can do horrific things to you" Yeah, I also have the possibility of doing horrific shit to the other person, but you know what I won't be capable of? Doing horrific things to a animal that can kill me by just slapping me, and I'm certain that I can't out run, out swim and/or out climb a bear.
I love how OP doesn't understand that humans have studied wild animals enough to understand the way they think, and how predictable they really are, but not humans because, unlike wild animals, we all have a more complex thought process. Sloth beats, for example, are prey to tigers, and we know that they immediately choose fight over flight 99% of the time. Grizzlies, we know they aren't necessarily aggressive towards humans but will hunt and attack use in special circumstances. Men? Not so much. Sure, not all men are bad, and no one is saying they are, but you can't predict what a man is going to do to you. Recorded fatal bear attacks in North America show that from 2000 to 2019, Grizzly bears were involved in 17 fatal attacks. On average, one person is killed by a bear each year in North America. According to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, women experience about 4.8 million intimate partner-related physical assaults and rapes every year. 4.8 MILLION in just domestic violence situations. Looking at those numbers, what do you expect women to choose? [Source 1](https://gitnux.org/most-dangerous-bears/) [Source 2](https://now.org/resource/violence-against-women-in-the-united-states-statistic/#:~:text=DOMESTIC%20VIOLENCE%20(Intimate%20Partner%20Violence%20or%20Battering)&text=According%20to%20the%20National%20Center,assaults%20and%20rapes%20every%20year.)
I expected women to know how statistics work. What do you think you're more likely to die from: A person who is practically always in your close proximity, or a bear in a forest kilometers away from you, which you may have a chance of encountering ONLY if you hike without a way to defend yourself.
"Bears usually operate [in a very similar way]". "Bang a stick on a pan and you're most likely fine" If it's black, fight back; If it's brown, lie down; If it's white, say goodnight. There's a reason for this saying.
Even WOMAN can come up with multiple ways to torment me and act as if they are completely passive and innocent. I’m so tired of other women treating themselves or even animals like passive angles that never harm people and men as demons. Men are never believed specifically when women harm tnem, and the other women act like they are collectively passive, vs the horrid unpredictable men.
I default to any bear answer as a joke. I don't understand the reasoning behind legitimate persons that think a literal bear would give you more chance of surviving than the average joe. "Bears are scared by loud noises" sure if it's a small cub of a relatively docile kind of bear like a black bear you might scare them, the average bear will try to either kill you or scare you off cause your in a 1 mile radius around them and they can smell you, I guarantee you no screaming or rock throwing is going to scare off a confused startled bear a few feet away from you that's like 4 times your size. "Human can be malicious and get creative with their torture" do you really think that the mentality of the average men is to attack and torture on sight any woman they don't know given the opportunity? Like literally. That's psychopathic behavior (and the most extreme cases, most psychopaths won't really think like that). I think we would know by now if the average men was a psychopath. If an average man and an average woman were magically teleported to a forest I guarantee you the first thought on both heads would be "wut?" Not "Oh I can do whatever I want to her, let me think about the worst thing you can do to a human being". Is that what those people think the *average* man thinks??? Like fr, half of the globe population? "Bears kill fast" No they don't?? They maul you and one they realize you're not a threat leave your broken body to die on it's own, that's exactly why people says you should throw yourself to the ground, curl up and protect your neck if a grizzly is attacking you, so they think they already hurt you enough for you to die and leave. I think most people who truly believe they have a better chance with a bear are the kind of people that talks and writes before thinking and that would answer the trolley problem with "of course I pull the lever, is less people dead" when reality is that most studies confirm that when people encounter such difficult choices the vast majority chose innaction regardless of the consequences, like the whole plot of the SAW franchise is just that.
I’m going to be honest, I think the people who answer bear don’t see men as human at all compared to the bear, and instantly think that the man WILL commit rape or SA on sight in the forest. “well a man could-“ yeah a bear could do other brutal things to you as well, because they are wild animals, not puppies. We humans in general aren’t as predicable, but this question specifically singles out men and not humans, and some women here say they’d rather see another women, likely because they don’t fear women, nor have had bad experimce with women. I think people’s fear of men, and honestly fearmongering of men as if we are sharks, literally cause them to see men as only rapist and abusers, I don’t think some ever humanized men to begin with. Most of these women also likely don’t have violent experimces with women like how some men may have, so they humanize women more, or rather themselves as in “oh of course women won’t harm you, I’m a woman”.
That's the truth though. If a bear decides to kill me I'll be dead after an hour if I'm really unlucky since bears don't kill, they just start eating. If a man decides that I deserve to suffer he can kill me little by little for years and make me wish I was dead.
Statistical breakdown of the man vs. bear question: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cFD06px1E/?igsh=N3I0ZnBoY3lraWZr
Id rather deal with the bear over any human
Humans are on the top of the food chain, we’re dangerous predators. I have locks on my door to keep out humans, not bears. There are a million scenarios, some I’d choose bear, some I’d choose man, there are some I’d choose woman, whatever, it’s just a hypothetical. Am I hurt and need help, what kind of bear is it, is the man or woman armed, all those things change my answer, but the point of the question isn’t to make men feel bad or to pair us off with bears or strangers. The question was asked to start a discussion, not an argument. If the answer hurts your feelings try and figure out why it hurts your feelings and what you can do about it instead of telling people their opinions are wrong just because you disagree with them.
Yes. Wild animals tend to be more predictable than people because generally their motives are more simple.
This is not the point of the question
Bear attacks are actually only lethal 14% of the time worldwide, and 7% in Europe.
This question's ability to generate the worst possible takes from everyone is deeply mind blowing. Overall I have less respect for all humans now.
How do you still not get this after it being reposted so many times? Bears can pretty much only injure or kill you and is less likely to do any of this. Men can hurt, injure, kill, rape, abuse, kidnap, indoctrinate, torture, human traffic, gaslight, mentally abuse, extort, and so much more PLUS there are many men who would do one of these things if given a situation where they would not be punished, such as it occurring in the middle of the woods with no evidence to view. Bears don’t do much, and they don’t tend to harm you if you don’t anger them. Maybe the answers would be different if it were say “ be trapped in the ocean with a man or a killer whale” but in this situation, you should quit taking the answers personal as they are literally built upon a mountain of facts. Maybe you being offended by this says more about you then what women think of men
A bear would “just kill [you in the] simplest way?” 🤣 If the “simplest way” means eating you alive!
I'm just gonna play games and wait till I'm a full adult
What I find funny about the women who choose the 🐻 , they’re likely the same women who support trans women using women’s spaces like locker rooms and bathrooms, which is allowing men in extremely private women’s areas. And, they likely support trans women in women’s sports, which is literally men beating women.
Steve Irwin said himself “crocodiles are easy, they try to kill and eat you. People are harder, they try to be your friend first”.
Mans not understanding the question. Can this subreddit please not turn misogynistic? There’s loads of good this subreddit could do to unteach toxic masculinity
yep, as a man, i would rather choose a bear to maul out my organs and rip my limbs off! /j
Men are animals
It's misandry: Prejudice against men because of their sex. The worst is that they paint all men as dangerous potential rapists while claiming they're not being misandrists in the same breath. Closeted misandrists. My gal, if you're acting like all men is dangerous because they're men it **is** textbook misandry. No different than acting like all black men are dangerous because they're black is racism. (some even wrote that it's different because blacks are oppressed, like if it makes any difference)
Its not that I think every men is a dangerous potential rapist, I know most men arent. Its that I can't know who is and who isnt. Thats all. I just simply dont want to take that risk. I dont understand why that is so frowned upon.
so true, us women KNOW not all men are dangerous, its just enough of them are to make us wary. we cant tell who is and isnt planning on assaulting us, we’re just trying to keep ourselves safe
Its not all men, but it is the men that scream “NOT ALL MEN”
It’s frowned upon by people who just don’t understand the reality of what it’s like to be a woman or otherwise in that position of feeing threatened by society. Speaking as a guy, it’s easy to say “the guy” but I think the topic is an important one to discuss since rape culture is sadly alive and well, and not enough men are brave enough to confront that reality that the world if kinda terrifying for women. To guys: please don’t take this discussion personally. Just because you don’t experience it doesn’t mean it’s not real. No one is trying to say you’re personally the problem I promise. But please, reflect on the discussion and keep an open mind.
I will take this discussion personally for being fearmongered over a bear. Last time it was a shark. Last time it was chocolate, the other it was cats. I’m tried of being seen as evil. The answers here instantly assume the male will rape based off of steotyping based on the idea of him existing as a male. Im tired of women fearmongering me and comparing animals to my sex, and seeing my sex as lesser than that animal because of the assumption they form that my sex will instantly rape you on sight I’m tired of hearing “we don’t know which ones!” from women who would likely casually pass by a female abuser and not show any fear with that abuser, and would not treat women as lesser because of having traumatic experience with women. I’m tired of people using the ideal of only male on female rape culture as an excuse to demonize my sex only. A woman raping you and her being seen as innocent and passive for it, I’m scared that some women may do stuff like that, yet my sex is only seen as violent and unpredictable when really, humans are unpredictable... I don’t make up random questions like this just to treat women as barbaric as lesser than men or lesser than animals just because women irl have harassed, assaulted me and almost ran me over, and I don’t get why so may women get the excuse to be sexist towards me, and demand empathy for it, while I wouldn’t get the excuse of trauma to say stuff like this and generalize women, not without being seen as a bigot, rightfully so. I don’t purposely compare women to dangerous animals to say that I choose the dangerous animal and proceed to act like women are unpredictable creatures.
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Maybe it's time to hold your acquaintances accountable then, for shaping women's view to this. Most of us speak from experience.
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I would love to see people holding other men accountable, all I have experienced is excuses and defamation of my character and suggesting I "wanted it" by even people I called my friends. Because it's "just natural". If you hold people accountable for their actions, I thank you deeply from the bottom of my heart and I wish I knew more people like you.
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Maybe in your circles, I only know a handful like this. I'm glad you have decent people surrounding you ❤️
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To be fair, I do not have many men surrounding me. I have 4 trusted men in my life and the rest I keep at arms length because of how I have been hurt in the past.
Seeing a bear in the woods is predictable, seeing a man alone is worrying to many. Bears act upon instinct, people act upon impulse. Depending on the bear, many have better chances with the bear than with a dude.
>people act upon impulse. >seeing a man alone is worrying Funny how you say that **people** act on impulse after saying that seeing a **man** alone is worrying. You really saying that men are dangerous by nature due to impulses. _Then_ wonders why some men take offense in such generalists claims...
For many people, seeing a man alone in the woods is worrying for them. Seeing a bear in it’s natural habitat isn’t immediately alarming. And I emphasized people are impulsive because it’s not just men that are impulsive. Just like how women know it’s not all men who harm others, but some are not willing to take that chance due to their personal reasons and/or experiences. If this whole thing was Bear VS Woman, I wouldn’t be offended if many men chose a bear instead of a woman. Their reasons are their own and I’m not going to be mad at them. ✌️
>I wouldn’t be offended if many men chose a bear instead of a woman. Most would (and did) start asking in which conditions the encounter would be because it matters greatly when deciding which is more dangerous. At a big enough distance both don't matter. At a medium distance things like "if they noticed me" or what's between them and you matter. At a close distance things like "how you react" and "how you could react to their reaction" matters. At a "I tripped on them" distance, a Bear would be a death sentence if you don't factor huge luck, so it's either Death or gamble the (wo)men you met isn't crazy or fleeing the police. - You not feeling offended doesn't take agency from others to be. Everyone have the right to be offended when they're called "more dangerous than bears" because they're men. Generalization is bad.
This might be a cogent criticism, if there wasn’t a reasonable expectation of dangerous behavior towards women from one group that doesn’t exist for the other group. Your contention hinges on the equivalence between “black people commit more crime” (true, but explained by sociological factors rather than genetic ones) and “men commit more sexual assault.” The reason this is a false equivalence is because the statistics for black people committing more crime lines up almost perfectly with black people being economically disadvantaged, whereas the statistics for men committing more sexual assault are just that — men commit more sexual assault. Now, to be clear, hating men and hating poor people are both bad. The problem I have with your statement is that it equates being guarded against men with being prejudiced against black people. It is reasonable to be guarded against a poor person, who may be black, because there are economic factors incentivizing dangerous behavior in that instance. It is not reasonable to be bigoted against black people regardless of class. It is ALSO not reasonable to hate poor people and think they deserve to stay poor, but it IS reasonable to be guarded and concerned for your own safety when around people significantly poorer than you. Similarly: It is reasonable for women to be guarded around men because of social factors incentivizing the crossing of boundaries, and unreasonable for women to hate men and oppose actions/rhetoric that would reform those social factors. Also, the question being asked proposes a scenario with “a stranger in the woods who is a man” — I’m a man, and I would also take the bear, and I don’t think that is a belief equivalent in misandry to the racism in the belief that “all black men are dangerous”. Because women have more to worry about from the strange man in the woods because of sexual assault, but frankly, the root of the question is kind of universal: I’d much rather deal with a wild animal in its own territory that would probably behave predictably for its species, than a stranger in a scenario where his behavior would be completely unpredictable and there are no witnesses or other people to stop him.
>This might be a cogent criticism, if there wasn’t a reasonable expectation of dangerous behavior towards women from one group that doesn’t exist for the other group. Let's ignore how any kind of attack from women towards men goes under reported, or even worse, ends with the man being charged because he "obviously did something". FFS, news outlets don't even call it "rape" when it's a woman the perpetrator of the crime. >whereas the statistics for men committing more sexual assault are just that — men commit more sexual assault. So no reasoning behind the why? Just accept that it's nature and move on? Seems on par with anything else that affects men negatively... Everyone and their mom have an argument to justify everything they want, when it comes to men people blatantly stop at "they do X more". Would be funny if not sad. _Then_ people wonder why men take offense of that...
>So no reasoning behind the why? Just accept that it's nature and move on? Seems on par with anything else that affects men negatively... I literally said it was social, not nature. Learn to read. Or maybe turn down the victim complex — you’re only hearing what you want to hear.
>I literally said it was social, not nature. About sexual assault you said nothing. What you said about social is, and I quote: >social factors incentivizing the crossing of boundaries Which is a plain lie as in 2024 what's being hammered almost daily is how men should **and shouldn't** treat and approach women, how we're dangerous, how they want to be left alone... There's more about what men shouldn't do than what men can do, and when men ask women about what they can do, being willingly to listen, they either get the opposite or conflicting answers. I'm not the one treating an entire gender as a danger to society, tell others to turn down the victim complex.
Please, go live with bears. Far away from civilization.
Please, go live with rapists?
_I_ don’t have to do anything. _I’m_ not the one making statements about entire groups of people. Besides I already do live with rapists. (In your mind, man = rapist)
Because you’re mad and tantruming that women are more afraid of rapists than bears, yet you want to blame women for this instead of blaming your fellow man who rapes. as if women are just mind readers and know whos safe and whos not. Lol.
The only thing that I’m mad about is the demonization of an entire group of people. >yet you want to blame women for this instead of blaming your fellow man who rapes. Lol. “You, random man. It’s your fault women hate you because of the actions of 0.01% of men.” Perhaps I should live with bears. A bear won’t falsely accuse me of rape or pedophilia.
So wait, in your backwards logic, would you prefer women undoubtedly trust ALL men never see them to be potentially violent or rapists, and get themselves in super dangerous situations or raped, just so your feelings dont get hurt that they might “generalize”’you or distrust you because you’re a man? is that your… argument in this? lmao like is that really as far as your brain can stretch? you can’t empathize even a shred that women being distrustful of men might protect them from being raped? no, instead its about how this solely impacts you as a man only, and women’s safety be damned? you cant be serious 😂
>would you prefer women undoubtedly trust ALL men never see them to be potentially violent or rapists, and get themselves in super dangerous situations or raped, just so your feelings dont get hurt that they might “generalize”’you or distrust you because you’re a man? No, just like I would prefer men to not undoubtedly trust all women not be potentially violent, rapists or deceivers. >you can’t empathize even a shred that women being distrustful of men might protect them from being raped? Why must I, when people like you would have zero empathy if a man was distrustful of women due to last trauma? >no, instead its about how this solely impacts you as a man only, and women’s safety be damned? you cant be serious 😂 Why is my duty to make strangers feel safe?
I’m always empathetic when people are wary of others, especially because of trauma or fear of rape. It’s hilarious you can spout all of this nonsense off and then not see why a woman would prefer a bear over you lmao. Men are more dangerous to women than bears. Statistically and in theory. period. end of story. Its okay if you want to sulk and feel bad for yourself that you’re being “lumped in with the bad apples” again- its the bad apples you’re mad at and not the people afraid of them.
>I’m always empathetic when people are wary of others, especially because of trauma or fear of rape. Unless they’re a man? >It’s hilarious you can spout all of this nonsense off and then not see why a woman would prefer a bear over you lmao. If I was propagandized by government schools and the media to feel a certain way about women, I’d probably feel that way. >Men are more dangerous to women than bears. Statistically and in theory. period. end of story. 99.99% of humans don’t live near bears, genius. >Its okay if you want to sulk and feel bad for yourself that you’re being “lumped in with the bad apples” again- its the bad apples you’re mad at and not the people afraid of them. You’re not mad at the “bad apples”. You’re mad at random people.
It’s crazy that generalizing is suddenly ok when it comes to men
idk how your brain clicks in assuming women are thinking “ALL MEN ARE DANGEROUS” instead of “I have no way of knowing what men are dangerous”
Nope some of them do it all the time to say otherwise is straight up lying I mean your one search away from kill all men it’s all men all men this all men that that is generalizing
sad that you think that way. but I think if you were ever raped or abused as a child, or held down by a larger man trying to force penetration on you, I think you would understand where these people’s fear actually comes from. Rape ruins people’s entire lives. its not something you sweep under the rug and forget. Your anger should be pointed at the dangerous men and rapists of the world, not at the people who are afraid of them and might accidentally “lump you in with them” trying to protect themselves.
I was harassed, assulted, almost ran-over all by different women, slapped to the ground once by my mom for a haircut, but I don’t use my trauma as an excuse to be openly bigoted to women. I do not create imaginary questions that compare women to wild animals, only so I can purposely pin and generalize women as unpredictable, dangerous, and already assume that the woman will already harass, assault, and murder me, just because she’s a woman, therefore I already would’ve made up my mind to pick any wild animal over a woman, because she’s a woman, not because she’s a unpredictable human, in comparison fo a predicable animal that could also become unpredictable real quick. It’s not a thing that these men don’t understand having trauma from the opposite sex that harmed them, no, many men understand but many others do not use past experimce or trauma as an excuse to fearmonger the opposite sex, or see the opposed sex as lesser and unpredictable rapist. Otherwise those men that do, just get called misogynistic, sexist, or redpillers, not seen as traumatized victims for being awful towards the other sex making up bigoted questions and answers, which you know what? Rightfully so, but then I expect the same standard to apply to women who compare me to animals.
I wasn't raped by a man but I was sexually attacked in the shower by a woman when I was 14. Is it ok to treat all women like rapists now? Using your trauma as an excuse to discriminate people isn't a woman privilege thing is it?
its absolutely okay to be hesitant of women and not wanting to be trapped in the woods alone with one based on your experience.
Being hesitant with people is one thing, treating them badly is another. This joke is intentionally trying to make people feel bad for existing. It is a "Men bad" joke extrapolated by stereotypes and bad experiences.
No, its not, its not a joke its just a thought exercise. You being personally offended by it is not the intention of others. No one is treating men badly by stating the fact that they would rather run into a bear in the woods than a random man. You’re just choosing to feel personally called out by this when other men arent, its up to you to analyze why.
This is the thing, it's generalisation, just like when Sarah Everard was killed, there were women pratting around claiming all men are rapists and serial killers, but when anyone opposed and said not all men, you best believe there was backlash thrown their way. It even got to a point where UK House of Lords member wanted to get men banned from being allowed out the house after 6pm, and shit tons of women were entirely on board with the idea. So before you try to say that wasn't generalising all men, think again. But let us suppose men went ahead and said they would much rather be locked in the gym with a group of tigers, as opposed to being in the gym with a group of women because he is too afraid he will be falsely accused of being a pervert and creeping on women all because he looked at them, you're telling me that places such as all the ask women forums on Reddit and other areas of social media wouldn't be kicking up and uproar about how men are evilly demonising all women? They would be incels, closet creeps, you name it. You're off your rocker if you believe women would think "this is just a thought exercise". There would be uproar left and right. It's the same as a man saying most women would prefer to find a 6ft tall man to date and most women hate short men. It doesn't take much from saying that to shift the tension in the room and quickly point out how that man is an incel and he is disgustingly generalising. Taking precautions is what anyone will do, generalising an entire demographic is another, and that is what this is. If you're seriously going to say "I would rather risk being torn to shreds by a bear then be in the woods with a man", then it's you who are the crazy ones. It's you who are putting every man under the same umbrella. But why stop there? Why does it end with the man being the criminal? I see no sign of anyone insinuating that the woman might be capable of pulling out a knife and killing a man. Of course not because that would mean them admitting they are capable of vile acts. I get women have trauma from the past with some men, but if you think for a second that the way forward is to constantly paint all men with the same brush is going to do anything for your mindset, I'm afraid you got another thing coming. And fueling this tirade is no good deed for your fellow women you seem oh son concerned of, but instead, fucking up their heads further. So crack on, one day you'll realise its folks like you who are the problem.
I’m not reading all of that, your personal offense at women being afraid of being attacked by men is pretty laughable and self-telling.
So did you just lie about being raped? Cause as someone who was raped twice and had 3 attempts before the age of 19, id never speak that way about a man speaking out on his experience. “Stop making mwn feel bad” as you step on female victims voices…. Please check yourself.
>So did you just lie about being raped? I wouldn't necessarily say raped. A woman got in the public showers at a camping site while I was occupying it and started touching me, trying to kiss me and stuff. She was pushy and wouldn't let me go. I was too afraid to scream. Eventually I managed to slip away. Never said anything about it. I just called my parents to come and get me. That wasn't the only unconsensual experience I had with women unfortunately both in childhood and adulthood. Talking about your experiences isn't saying women are a cold vicious predator to which I prefer bears to.
See i had sympathy, and i do for the child that was raped in the shower, but that last paragraph, thats where you go wrong, We arent saying all men we are saying we prefer death over being raped again. But men are taking it as us saying all men and even speaking over us, telling us our fears are wrong. Even you proved with the -this joke- no ones joking about picking the bear
Some don’t do it on accident quite a bit do it on purpose even knowing how ignorant it can sound a lot of the arguments I see as well are scarily similar to a racists argument even with the trauma it is never ok to generalize all because of a terrible person
Again. Point your anger at the rapists blending in with men. Not the people who are rightfully justified of being afraid of rape. you cant just spot the difference between a safe man and not safe man alone in the woods. it doesn’t work like that.
Okay but that unpredictableness is true for ANY human. She indirectly called women stupid by saying that men are more intelligent than bears.
What about saying that men are more intelligent than bears leads to assuming that women are dumber? Humans in general are more intelligent than bears but the current conversation was about male human beings.
Yes, but by specifying men *specifically,* she's implying that women aren't capable of that same kind of cunning and intelligence. Bears cannot plan things or torture people or have malicious intent because they do not have the brain capacity to do so. She is saying that because men have that higher capacity, the intelligence to do so, that they are more dangerous. Thus *implying* that women are less dangerous because she accidentally implied that women lack the same capacity for cunning and malice. It's classic radfem rhetoric - they believe that men are more dangerous because they believe they're biologically superior to women, without realizing that the very idea of believing men to be biologically superior is in and of itself misogynistic. They take a very general difference caused by natural sexual dimorphism and twist it into this exaggerated notion to support their beliefs - the exact same notions that sexism is built upon.
It’s more about having the physical strength to do whatever you want to do. It’s much easier for a man to plan an attack on a woman than the opposite. A woman would have to take extra steps to overpower the man.
Literally any bear is stronger than a human what are you on about
I wasn’t talking about bears?
The post was asking about whether or not you'd rather be alone with a bear or a man...
You said all humans are unpredictable, I replied saying that men have an automatic advantage regardless. It’s not about bears.
For a good while there has been a "my toxic trait" trend circulating the Internet, and one of the more common ones were actually "my toxic trait is I think I can go up to a bear and pet it with no repercussions" along those lines. Let's take a moment to imagine the uproar if men started going around saying they would rather go to the gym and be locked in there with a tiger than have women in there because he wouldn't be falsely reported for harassment over a quick glance. I mean, women can barely handle it when men go around saying they commonly prefer men who are over 6ft tall without bringing out the incel card into play. So I'll go ahead and do some of the say this moron in the post is a classic femcel.
Yo, if 9/10 women claimed false rape youd have a valid argument. It’s not all men but its 90% of women that end up being raped or S/A. Use picking the bear isnt us saying all men, its us saying “we pick death or rape” go look at the video of the creator of the question explaining it himself…
Not just the stats that you have correct. But also that some men seem to think that being falsely accused is on the same level as actually being assaulted. Most cases don't even make it to court, a false accusation is horrible and can turn someone's life upside down. But being assaulted? They are lucky they do not know how it feels. If they knew, they wouldn't make the comparison at all.
>Most cases don't even make it to court, a false accusation is horrible and can turn someone's life upside down. Yeah, that's not as bad at all, is it? It's only that you get one life and it was fucked up entirely purely because someone decided to open their mouth and maliciously slander someone to get one over on them (this does not apply to actual women victims). Let's take Johnny Depp and Amber Heard for example, where just using her words happened to get J.D axed from his role in Fantastic Beasts and the lengths he had to go through to clear his name. A false accusation and ruining someone's life can in fact lead to suicide, but yeah no biggie, because at the end of the day he's only a man. Nah totally not comparable at all. Give me a break. Both actions have the ability to turn lives upside down. But to no surprise we turn a blind eye to one of them.
Except majority of cases are not big Hollywood cases, and the woman often isn't believed. False accusations are so rare, yet people use it as a "gothca" whilst in the same breath telling women to relax because rape is "so rare". It's more common than false accusations. I have a close friend who was falsely accused, and has proven his innocence. His life was a mess for around a year. The same friend holds me whilst my body is being ripped apart my flashbacks. He would tell you that falsely accused isn't the worst thing.
Yes and I have a friend who was domestically abused and SA'd by his girlfriend. I, myself, have been a victim of revenge porn by one woman who I thought were the fairytale happily ever after ending, and treated like shit by others, so should I start taking my chances with a tiger because the actions of someone close to home performing such a vile act? I in fact went down the road of generalising because of my bitterness and shame, but you want to know the key difference? With me, I was called an incel and told to grow some balls "be a man and get over it". My friend? He didnt get believed by anyone not even his family. It was only because he had one of those amazon camera's installed on the sly that he was able to accumulate evidence of the hell and black mail he was living with. "You leave me you never see your kid again" type of shit. And on the flip side, as I said, all a woman needs to do is talk and a man's life is ruined potentially ruined. Even if his name is cleared, he still has that accusation attached to his name. To say women are often not believed is ignorantly underestimating the power behind it to suit your narrative.
If that were to give you trust issues surrounding women, that is understandable. A natural reaction.
My rapist didn’t get jail time. The other one that raped me for 8-9 months and would drag me to his house with the help of his father, will never see a day in court. Why? Cause i have 0 proof, when i reported it, i had to tell the police on camera that i knew it was very unlikely that the second guy would ever be brought in. All because i can’t remember exact dates that his penis entered me.. the first guy got 3 years house arrest and sex therapy… i have to pay out of pocket for my psychical therapy… the government is covering his… so yea tell me how being “falsely accused” is way worse or the same as being raped please EDIT: VICTIMS OF ABUSE AND SA DEFENDED JOHNNY AND BOYCOTTED STUFF TO BEING HIM BACK, the fuck is wrong with you?
A woman once completely misused the definition of rape against me all because of the size of my penis didn't "feel big enough" for her when we first slept together. And because she loosely threw around dangerous words like that, and despite that it wasn't rape and people clocked on to her flip flopping comments, my life was a living hell. Even when she tried to apologise and admit her wrong doing, I was known as that guy who was connected with the word. Don't try to come on here and undermine how crushing that is to ones life for being falsely accused all because you're part of some anti-men crusade.
Come on dude. Being falsely accused IS horrible, but it’s far more rare than being actually assaulted. Even if I were to agree that they’re comparable in severity, the comparison STILL falls apart just in terms of frequency and risk. Not to mention that your go-to example, Johnny Depp, became a media darling throughout that entire case and has gone from “that guy who comes to work high and has his lines fed to him by earpiece” to “that guy who got justice against an abusive partner”. That case REHABILITATED his public image, it didn’t damage it. There’s nothing even remotely equivalent between that and being sexually assaulted.
It's far more rare because its far more under reported. Just because you don't see every case on the telly, doesn't mean it's not commonly happening. My point is, women can use words, men have to go beyond. It ain't rocket science.
Johnny’s case gets even sadder when you look at the evidence used in his other assault case and the UK trial they did. And when you take into account her witness’s who were thrown out or called liars. Its a very sad case.
Most of those are a white woman accusing a black guy of raping her, and that’s the only time the guy ever goes to jail for it.
I'd be happy for a guy to say that about being locked in a gym with a tiger, so long as he follows through. 🤷♀️