I think that's correct. It's amazing what can be done and these gents are skilled to be sure. But what happens when they get hurt in these remarkable conditions? We know each and everyone will get hurt at some point. It's amazing that it can be done. We have OSHA so that it's never done like that again.
I’m not saying these people have insurance, but when I was in India on a business trip we talked about healthcare there and the colleges said they are generally ok with it now (at least im Bangalore).
Then I asked how much is the waiting time for an MRI scan and they said it’s typically a few hours. And I was like… “nono, not the time to get the results, but from getting an appointment until the actual appointment”. Then they said it’s a few hours. I had to explain that in a western EU country I live in I had to wait 2 months (!), which is ridiculous and not even THAT long. In some other EU countries with free healthcare it’s even worse (3+ months) if you use free healthcare and can’t pay for it directly from your pocket -which is not even possible everywhere btw-.
I was shocked actually how fast these kinds of things go there. I think it’s waaay worse in rural areas. And still… the city looked like a dirty construction site.
*"oh yeah that aluminum was totally pure and not stained with any other harsh chemicals before melting it and casting it into something used for cooking food"*
Aluminium melts at 660°, other metals will have fallen to the bottom or be in the scum on top that is taken off. Not that I'm suggesting that this is world's best practice.
No. That's like saying that, because ethanol is less dense than water, your bottle of vodka will separate into layers.
Metals that are soluble in each other form an *alloy* and the only way to separate them is chemically or perhaps by something like fractional distillation, but I have no idea if/how the latter works for molten metal.
And lead is more dense than aluminum and will sink to the bottom. Aluminum and lead do not naturally bond so it'd be like oil and water. That said, there will inevitably be little bits of lead floating all through the molten aluminum no matter how long you let it settle
your study is specifically about the lead, cadmium and others that leach out, with nothing in the abstract about how they got there or if that's typical of food grade aluminum?
I'm not an onion, and this is for heavy metals in the aluminum, not the metal itself.
Aluminum is indeed toxic, but the aluminum oxide layer, even if scrapped, is innert for the stomach acid, and even more inert by our enzymes.
My favorite part about all of this is knowing that whatever runoff/excess there is gets safety dumped into the local river for all to enjoy the benefits of
Indian people, especially lower class ones, just generally don't wear shoes.
They're used to being barefoot all the time, so wearing shoes feels uncomfortable, and reduces their tactility.
Imagine if you moved to a country where everybody wore thick leather gloves all the time, and everybody thought it was weird that you just raw-handed everything.
My mother hates shoes so the bottom of her feet are covered in thick calluses, they're stronger than most of my shoes over the years. Once watched her put out a fire with her bare feet
Yeah, I get that. You're not wrong. And I get that these people are very poor so buying shoes can be expensive. But 3rd degree burns, crushing your feet, or cutting off your toes are all really bad for your ability to work. It really should be the business owner's responsibility to provide PPE.
Yes, I can hear everyone typing about lax business practices and unscrupulous owners. That doesn't excuse this, it just highlights the problem. These people need better protections and their government and company is letting them down for profit.
You're not wrong at all, I'm just saying "they're not wearing shoes" is actually pretty damn far down the list of things that need to be changed to improve safety around here.
>But 3rd degree burns, crushing your feet, or cutting off your toes are all really bad for your ability to work.
An not to mention: quite bad for your feet as well
Australians also hate shoes, many upper-class one that live near beaches are shoeless at shops, department stores, food walking around the city..
We think your obsession with assorted feet coverings is weird.
Australians will often get in trouble for being bare foot or wearing thongs in places like the usa or Germany.
Same with NZ - we would always take our shoes and socks off before going into class at primary school, and we'd go to the supermarket and whatnot in bare feet
Tbh most modern shoes suck because they favor design over practicality. If you look at your shoes you'll notice they're nothing like the actual shape of your foot, especially the toe area. That's why so many people have foot problems.
Modern shoes are perfectly fine for your feet, infact a modern tennis shoe has got a better design than basically any shoe that predates rubber soles. Medieval shoes for example sucked my ass and either had leather bottoms or wood bottoms.
No the real reason why modern shoes don't fit your feet is because we don't get shoes custom fitted to our feet anymore. In the past, your shoes would be made to the exact measurements of your own feet, now we have to conform to a standard size that not everybody's foot fits perfectly into. Same with clothing, modern clothing just doesn't fit as well because most people don't go to a personal tailor these days.
My experience in the tropics is that the flip flop is just what everyone wears all the time. Especially the poor. A lot of people only own one pair of shoes.
I understand the need for safety shoes in this setting.
But, people in hot and humid countries hate to wear shoes. It is terribly uncomfortable and gets sweaty. Plus, most places are not air-conditioned. So, people prefer flip-flops and sandals to keep the feet open to the air.
India has grown their manufacturing sector some 300% over their 2020 output. What's insane is that a ton of castings like this we're either done in China, or we're done in Mexico, and sometimes still in the US, for the US market and abroad.
China and Mexico both had loose safety records, but we're still set up as rather professional places to produce iron/ steel, aluminum and brass/ bronze castings like this using modern equipment.
India has swallowed at least half of the previous work China had and probably half the work Mexico had. This is typical of smaller Indian shops, but they also have incredible, modern casting facilities as well. Unless you actually go over to your you don't know who you are getting most of the time.
Do they also do what China does and show you a modern facility when you visit, but do a switcheroo later? I heard China likes to do that with materials and products as well.
Tell you the truth I don't know. I represent US companies and we are losing all our business to India right now. I hear things but never know what's real or not
I just feel bad for these dudes. We're not very far removed from this in the US, just a few generations. And it was horrible. I had a step-grandfather who lost an arm in a sawmill. They hired him back later, but at half a man's wages.
I feel so bad about the arm thing, but the fact that he was hired back under "half a man's wages" is such an insane thing.
How many people were losing limbs that such a precedent was sent.
Sometimes, it's easy to forget the help OSHA and other such safety laws have been.
Speaking from experience, s safety officer who cares could make zero difference. You can give people PPE and explain the hazard and they won't wear it. You can try to make them, but their bosses don't want to wear them either. You could go to leadership, but they just see safety as a negative line item and extra work. You can tell them they are breaking regulations, but it doesn't matter because those regulations are enforced by toothless agencies that hand out a $20k fine if you kill someone.
There are a few YouTube channels about guys like these. I’m honestly shocked to see the same people across multiple videos because the life (or limb) expectancy in these places must be pretty low.
Bevor they pay a safety Officer, they could better spend that Money directly on Safety equipment.
Pretty shure, they know what they are doing.
Officer would be useless in this Shop.
Knowing what you're doing doesn't preclude an incident. I know what I'm doing with a table saw, but one took a piece of my finger several years ago anyway because I got careless.
The stickers bother me the most. To see them make the bowls all by hand until they're pristine and then put the sticker on that you know won't peel off right...
My feet were clenched seeing him pour that molten metal with bear feet.
the fumes off melting Aluminium are extremely toxic and the surfaces are not fit for cooking with.
This looks like one of those waste cities. Essentially, an area where globally trash is dumped. There's e-waste cities there's plastic cities. There's metal cities because most of our recycling isn't actually recycled. Even Canada had an issue. I think with one boat being left in the sea because an island wasn't going to let the boat drop off all of its trash. It's really sad. We think all this ends up in landfills. When we literally pay ships to ship it across the f****** sea. The third world countries and just dump it. Even though we know it's a corrupt system.Even though we know, they don't have the technology to process it safely.And even though we know what's going on, we just take advantage of it.It's really sad.
These guys work where there’s no such thing as safety. They better do as they’re told because there’s 100 guys lined up outside that’ll work totally unsafe, no questions asked for $5 a day.
As a grown man and ashamed I don't understand this, how do you put metal in metal, get the metal hot that's holding the other metal, and the metal inside the metal melts but the metal holding the metal doesn't melt? Obviously the one type of metal has a higher melting point but how it melted in l the first place to make its shape? Is their a king of all metals that can't melt so they use that type to make molten metal?
They're probably melting aluminum in a steel crucible, the crucible is the container for the liquid metal. So long as the temperature doesn't exceed the melting point of your crucible you're fine
That will make something we will all be buying at a reasonable price online or at a store near you!
Cheap products minus the cost and hassle of:
1. Slave labor
2. Under age labor
3. Sanitary working conditions
4. Safe workplace
5. Proper safety equipment
6. Properly maintained equipment
7. Restroom privileges break regulated hours
8. Safe materials
9. Special material handling/equipment operation instructions.
10. Unpaid work, no overtime wages
11. Human rights / dignity, no
Laws in place to enforce workplace liberty
And many many more
"Did you check for lead?" "Huh? What's that?"
More like: "Oh yeah boss. I made sure there was plenty."
Preseasoned with artisanal heavy metals
“All metals are heavy, dumb ass”
Bespoke lead wheel spokes
The extra lead helps it cut real nice on the lathe.
"Oh yea, I got rid all of it in the last one."
"made with natural metals"
Yes, we are leading brand!
No, I said LEAD.
Yes, we lead!
Ok fine, I’ll take two.
To lead or not to lead.
“no it’s totally fine I wrapped my face in this old T-shirt so I won’t breath anything in”
"**LET'S WOK!!1!**"
This is what the American consumer purchases on Amazon, for a fraction of the price. Scary but true.
Then where is my child labor at? Ain't that cheap having adults making 2 dollars a day when a kid will take a quarter
Look dude, it’s hot. If I want to spray molds in my underwear, that’s my choice.
Dumping molten metal into molds, so hot right now
Good one.
So these are the fuckers that put the stickers on the cooking side!
It says it right there, "4", that's all the legal language we need to stay protected from all lawsuits.
I think that is the number of fingers that were lost in the manufacture of that pan.
Simultaneously appalled and impressed
I think that's correct. It's amazing what can be done and these gents are skilled to be sure. But what happens when they get hurt in these remarkable conditions? We know each and everyone will get hurt at some point. It's amazing that it can be done. We have OSHA so that it's never done like that again.
I'm sure that was all verified lead-free scrap metal
Well that's why you smelt it. Then you can scoop the lead and other toxic materials off the top. Duh
Don’t be the guy who smelt it.
So what you're saying is his scooping removes all of the lead? Pressing F for doubt
Lead won’t be at the top density wise it should be separate at the bottom. So don’t scoop too deep.
Scooping Slag with open toed shoes is a new kind of hard.
Remember, India is not for beginners!
They've all had many lifetimes of practice.
Shocked this isn’t a subreddit.
What’s a crippling foot burn between friends?
Probably need an oncologist in a few yrs too
Are you suggesting they might actually have healthcare ?
Just because they need one doesn't mean they'll get one
I’m not saying these people have insurance, but when I was in India on a business trip we talked about healthcare there and the colleges said they are generally ok with it now (at least im Bangalore). Then I asked how much is the waiting time for an MRI scan and they said it’s typically a few hours. And I was like… “nono, not the time to get the results, but from getting an appointment until the actual appointment”. Then they said it’s a few hours. I had to explain that in a western EU country I live in I had to wait 2 months (!), which is ridiculous and not even THAT long. In some other EU countries with free healthcare it’s even worse (3+ months) if you use free healthcare and can’t pay for it directly from your pocket -which is not even possible everywhere btw-. I was shocked actually how fast these kinds of things go there. I think it’s waaay worse in rural areas. And still… the city looked like a dirty construction site.
*"oh yeah that aluminum was totally pure and not stained with any other harsh chemicals before melting it and casting it into something used for cooking food"*
I'm 100% sure that was food-grade scrap.
Yeah car alternators are totally designed for that
Totally fine if you're the Iron Giant, I'm sure.
It's in the name: alternative uses are no issue.
Naked Joe has been doing this since he stopped wearing clothing 13 years ago. We're professionals. Also, nobody has died then come back to complain.
Aluminium melts at 660°, other metals will have fallen to the bottom or be in the scum on top that is taken off. Not that I'm suggesting that this is world's best practice.
No. That's like saying that, because ethanol is less dense than water, your bottle of vodka will separate into layers. Metals that are soluble in each other form an *alloy* and the only way to separate them is chemically or perhaps by something like fractional distillation, but I have no idea if/how the latter works for molten metal.
You can add other chemicals to bind the lead into the slag, but yeah, this aluminum in improper to be food grade.
And lead melts at 620
For reference, aluminum melts at 660°C, which means melting point of lead will be roughly 327°C (620°F)
620° F yes but the parent comment said 660° which in Celsius is the melting temperature of Aluminium
No. Lead melts at 327.
Your 327 or my 327?
No, Lead melts at 600 .
No, lead melts at 327.
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Match.
And lead is more dense than aluminum and will sink to the bottom. Aluminum and lead do not naturally bond so it'd be like oil and water. That said, there will inevitably be little bits of lead floating all through the molten aluminum no matter how long you let it settle
Bullshit. Seriously.
How accurate was the reading from the thermocouple on that hand-shoveled charcoal fire?
It had melted hadnt it? Good enough for them.
If your poor you're more worried about food, not what it's prepared in
Aluminum poisoning is a thing anyway. Don't cook in aluminum.
[Here's a study](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32671619/) that deals with this topic.
your study is specifically about the lead, cadmium and others that leach out, with nothing in the abstract about how they got there or if that's typical of food grade aluminum?
That study is talking about lead leaching out of the aluminum, not aluminum poisoning.
Yeah, thanks. Some people are down voting me apparently, lol.
Yeah I mean these guy are inhaling big amounts of that and the body doesn't break it down. So. Have fun with that.
I'm not an onion, and this is for heavy metals in the aluminum, not the metal itself. Aluminum is indeed toxic, but the aluminum oxide layer, even if scrapped, is innert for the stomach acid, and even more inert by our enzymes.
Thank you, everyone pissing themselves about lead yet it is a giant aluminum wok. There are many other problems with that than trace lead in the cast.
The guys face scarf getting whacked by the rotating machine....nooooope
First _egregious_ thing I noticed. I've seen a lot of lathe accident videos...
The bandana in particular is likely to bring his head straight into the work if there's a gentle breeze.
I know right? He should at least wear a safety tie.
My favorite part about all of this is knowing that whatever runoff/excess there is gets safety dumped into the local river for all to enjoy the benefits of
Why do I always see them working without shoes.
safety sandals
Waterproof!
Indian people, especially lower class ones, just generally don't wear shoes. They're used to being barefoot all the time, so wearing shoes feels uncomfortable, and reduces their tactility. Imagine if you moved to a country where everybody wore thick leather gloves all the time, and everybody thought it was weird that you just raw-handed everything.
"raw-handed", I'm going to start using this
You can’t just start raw-handedly using raw-handed… gosh darn it.
My mother hates shoes so the bottom of her feet are covered in thick calluses, they're stronger than most of my shoes over the years. Once watched her put out a fire with her bare feet
Is she a hobbit by any chance?
She would absolutely fit in with the hobbit lifestyle so much!
Yeah, I get that. You're not wrong. And I get that these people are very poor so buying shoes can be expensive. But 3rd degree burns, crushing your feet, or cutting off your toes are all really bad for your ability to work. It really should be the business owner's responsibility to provide PPE. Yes, I can hear everyone typing about lax business practices and unscrupulous owners. That doesn't excuse this, it just highlights the problem. These people need better protections and their government and company is letting them down for profit.
You're not wrong at all, I'm just saying "they're not wearing shoes" is actually pretty damn far down the list of things that need to be changed to improve safety around here.
>But 3rd degree burns, crushing your feet, or cutting off your toes are all really bad for your ability to work. An not to mention: quite bad for your feet as well
Australians also hate shoes, many upper-class one that live near beaches are shoeless at shops, department stores, food walking around the city.. We think your obsession with assorted feet coverings is weird. Australians will often get in trouble for being bare foot or wearing thongs in places like the usa or Germany.
Same with NZ - we would always take our shoes and socks off before going into class at primary school, and we'd go to the supermarket and whatnot in bare feet
Tbh most modern shoes suck because they favor design over practicality. If you look at your shoes you'll notice they're nothing like the actual shape of your foot, especially the toe area. That's why so many people have foot problems.
Jokes on you, I had foot problems straight out of the womb >:,)
Modern shoes are perfectly fine for your feet, infact a modern tennis shoe has got a better design than basically any shoe that predates rubber soles. Medieval shoes for example sucked my ass and either had leather bottoms or wood bottoms. No the real reason why modern shoes don't fit your feet is because we don't get shoes custom fitted to our feet anymore. In the past, your shoes would be made to the exact measurements of your own feet, now we have to conform to a standard size that not everybody's foot fits perfectly into. Same with clothing, modern clothing just doesn't fit as well because most people don't go to a personal tailor these days.
I've literally seen an FDA citation where an Indian plant had people barefoot..... in a clean room
Makes sense... The room is clean, so they don't need shoes to protect their feet from getting dirty /s
They’re probably pretty comfortable like that, I would guess. Maybe they lose a toe or get molten metal on the top of their foot. No biggie.
My experience in the tropics is that the flip flop is just what everyone wears all the time. Especially the poor. A lot of people only own one pair of shoes.
I understand the need for safety shoes in this setting. But, people in hot and humid countries hate to wear shoes. It is terribly uncomfortable and gets sweaty. Plus, most places are not air-conditioned. So, people prefer flip-flops and sandals to keep the feet open to the air.
Hell man, I'm from Texas and you'd have to pry my flipflops outta my hot sweaty toes
India has grown their manufacturing sector some 300% over their 2020 output. What's insane is that a ton of castings like this we're either done in China, or we're done in Mexico, and sometimes still in the US, for the US market and abroad. China and Mexico both had loose safety records, but we're still set up as rather professional places to produce iron/ steel, aluminum and brass/ bronze castings like this using modern equipment. India has swallowed at least half of the previous work China had and probably half the work Mexico had. This is typical of smaller Indian shops, but they also have incredible, modern casting facilities as well. Unless you actually go over to your you don't know who you are getting most of the time.
Do they also do what China does and show you a modern facility when you visit, but do a switcheroo later? I heard China likes to do that with materials and products as well.
India won't even bother with a switcheroo. It just is
Tell you the truth I don't know. I represent US companies and we are losing all our business to India right now. I hear things but never know what's real or not
A new one would imply there is a current one. The closest they likely have is the oldest guy they have in the shop.
He is 26.
Lead contamination 💯💯💯
That place is so dusty and dirty, I'm shocked the stickers are so clean.
And stick!
And you know they’re those annoying paper stickers you can’t ever remove completely.
You just melt it down and reforge to get rid of the remaining residue, simple.
Stickers will let easily when you have to reshape the definitely lead-free metal.
Is this where Boeing goes for 737 MAX parts?
The safety officer was melted into a pan
Hard working people. Respect
I just feel bad for these dudes. We're not very far removed from this in the US, just a few generations. And it was horrible. I had a step-grandfather who lost an arm in a sawmill. They hired him back later, but at half a man's wages.
*^(groan)*
I feel so bad about the arm thing, but the fact that he was hired back under "half a man's wages" is such an insane thing. How many people were losing limbs that such a precedent was sent. Sometimes, it's easy to forget the help OSHA and other such safety laws have been.
talk about a r/whoosh
Speaking from experience, s safety officer who cares could make zero difference. You can give people PPE and explain the hazard and they won't wear it. You can try to make them, but their bosses don't want to wear them either. You could go to leadership, but they just see safety as a negative line item and extra work. You can tell them they are breaking regulations, but it doesn't matter because those regulations are enforced by toothless agencies that hand out a $20k fine if you kill someone.
There are a few YouTube channels about guys like these. I’m honestly shocked to see the same people across multiple videos because the life (or limb) expectancy in these places must be pretty low.
New safety officer: "Today we're all going to learn how to safety-squint".
Management has introduced a new way of cutting cost by letting the safety officer go. Our net profits has increased 3% year over year!
"On an unrelated note, our turnover rate has tripled"
Those steel toed asbestos fire retardant sandals will go far.
This is how you get lead poisoning.
r/mildlycancer
The headscarf being brushed by the edge of the spinning bowl was tied for the worst part, tied with just about everything else
Are those old car parts?
Bevor they pay a safety Officer, they could better spend that Money directly on Safety equipment. Pretty shure, they know what they are doing. Officer would be useless in this Shop.
Knowing what you're doing doesn't preclude an incident. I know what I'm doing with a table saw, but one took a piece of my finger several years ago anyway because I got careless.
“What’s a safety officer?”
Wonder what happened to the last safety officer...
South Asia manufacturing is terrifying, working with molten aluminum wearing open toed shoes… smh.
They are just careful, no need for any safety officers
New?
You should see how they make their food
No glasses either around the metal shards
Looking at that makes me appreciate my working conditions
Bold of you to assume they have a safety officer to begin with.
>These guys need a new safety officer What?! The guy at 0:41 is wearing a protective. . . rag. . thing
A 20 gallon wok? They're in stock!
These guys need a new safety everything
What in the actual fuck is wrong with the world
A new safety officer implies the existence of an old one lmao
Dude on the drill press got my butthole pluck
Cancer soup
The stickers bother me the most. To see them make the bowls all by hand until they're pristine and then put the sticker on that you know won't peel off right...
My feet were clenched seeing him pour that molten metal with bear feet. the fumes off melting Aluminium are extremely toxic and the surfaces are not fit for cooking with.
Think how the poor bear felt.
You ought to see them rebuild lead acid batteries...
I was thinking this was one of the safer operations I've seen. I saw multiple pairs of shoes and someone wearing a mask.
This is outrageous! No cutting oil used on ANY of those drill bits, what the hell kinda operation is this
New implies there ever was one?
Man - I’d buy and use the hell outta that wok…
This looks like one of those waste cities. Essentially, an area where globally trash is dumped. There's e-waste cities there's plastic cities. There's metal cities because most of our recycling isn't actually recycled. Even Canada had an issue. I think with one boat being left in the sea because an island wasn't going to let the boat drop off all of its trash. It's really sad. We think all this ends up in landfills. When we literally pay ships to ship it across the f****** sea. The third world countries and just dump it. Even though we know it's a corrupt system.Even though we know, they don't have the technology to process it safely.And even though we know what's going on, we just take advantage of it.It's really sad.
Okay, I'll at least start rinsing new cups and bowls with water before using them. That's what my lesson from this video is.
today I learned putting a t-shirt over your face stops metal vapors. take that OSHA!
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"A officer?"
I would not have thought you could repeatably cast a hemisphere in your backyard like that.
These guys need a pay raise and a union
They'll all have Alzheimers real quick.
Can we get him to take his boots off JR? He already has his boots off... those are his feet.
_”What are ‘shoes’?”_
These guys work where there’s no such thing as safety. They better do as they’re told because there’s 100 guys lined up outside that’ll work totally unsafe, no questions asked for $5 a day.
Metal shavings and bare feet always work well together
Can't need a new safety officer if you never had one to begin with. I especially like the high heat resistance safety open toed sandals
India, always India.
Does it look like they already have an safety officer? 🤣
What metal is the pot made out of?
Aluminium
You think they have a safety officer?
Safety? This is child play in India.
You can still delete this
The perpetual factory, using their own pots to make new pots.
Graduates of middle earth dark lord's college of engineering
what you talkin about, i saw at least 1 guy wearing his safety thongs
Wdym, "new"?
As a grown man and ashamed I don't understand this, how do you put metal in metal, get the metal hot that's holding the other metal, and the metal inside the metal melts but the metal holding the metal doesn't melt? Obviously the one type of metal has a higher melting point but how it melted in l the first place to make its shape? Is their a king of all metals that can't melt so they use that type to make molten metal?
They're probably melting aluminum in a steel crucible, the crucible is the container for the liquid metal. So long as the temperature doesn't exceed the melting point of your crucible you're fine
Aluminum I understand. It melts easy. But what about steel? Is their a stronger steel capable of holding molten steel inside of it? Forgive my brain.
There's a few, like graphite, clay, ceramics. There is a whole industry in it so research it yourself. I can only tell you the basics
That will make something we will all be buying at a reasonable price online or at a store near you! Cheap products minus the cost and hassle of: 1. Slave labor 2. Under age labor 3. Sanitary working conditions 4. Safe workplace 5. Proper safety equipment 6. Properly maintained equipment 7. Restroom privileges break regulated hours 8. Safe materials 9. Special material handling/equipment operation instructions. 10. Unpaid work, no overtime wages 11. Human rights / dignity, no Laws in place to enforce workplace liberty And many many more
Beskar ?
They need to change the location of that frown😩 on the sticker, and change it to a smile 😀
Not sure they even care about safety