I've taken almost all of Jess Sims strength classes and she loves her EMOMs and AMRAPs and I've never once thought it was lazy programming. Her classes always seem very thought out to me.
I also agree. For me, AMRAPS are meant to be pretty heavy, methodical, and constant lifting. EMOMs are usually lighter weights but with a cardio element to get them done (with good form). I just completed Andy's latest TS60 block and it was 4 weeks with 6 min amraps. Brutal. I've done every single Flash 15 (all EMOMs) and, those are banging. Andy's density programs are 10 min AMPRAPs and those will build so much muscle and endurance. I find I get the most progression with these kinds of programming.
Jess sims helped me build abs during the pandemic I trust that woman with my life
However I’ve taken some of her classes that had like an 8 minute AMRAP and that was not only hard and got boring fast but felt a littleeeee lazy and unnecessary (like a higher risk of injury due to fatigue from 8 minutes of challenging movements)
I think Jess has a truly impressive grasp of how to program an EMOM. Often when I take classes with other instructors the EMOMs are way overstuffed and it’s impossible to get all the moves in (looking at you, Rebecca!) or conversely there aren’t enough moves (Callie), but Jess really hits the sweet spot.
Agreed. Jess is thoughtful and intentional about incorporating EMOMs and AMRAPs, her class is a mixture of different features. It never feels lazy but I do think some others feel a bit lazy with it
The other morning I started a class with Logan and he announced it was going to be tabata/EMOM/AMRAP and I was like "no sir" and left lol. I like Logan, but I was not about that.
I teach a class similar to the bike/ tread bootcamps at my local gym. The reason you do amraps and emoms is to simplify the workout for all levels and the rounds help people stay on task. I don’t spend as much time showing the exercises since everyone is doing the same set together.
EMOMs can sometimes be a sneaky way to just do a rep based circuit while keeping everyone on the same time - IF they give you one move and a reasonable number of reps.
I did a 10 min class with Callie and it was an A EMOM and B EMOM and the amount of reps was reasonable so you’d finish in about 30 seconds and have 30 seconds rest.
I hate when an EMOM is like 3 moves and takes 50 seconds. That ain’t it.
That's how I feel with Selena. I'll skip her class or drop the rep count if I see the workout plan has lower body emoms with more than one move in the same minute.
EMOMS don’t really bother me but I fucking HATE AMRAPs and definitely feel like it’s lazy programming. I guess I just don’t really understand the point of them.
I dislike AMRAPs and EMOMs - I find that they tend to be cardio intensive and emphasize muscular endurance rather than hypertrophy. With that said, I don’t consider them lazy programming. They are just a different stylistic choice. For example, Andy programs a 10 minute AMRAP into his new density 2 classes. He has a specific purpose in mind - if you hit more than a certain number of rounds, then he states you are ready to increase your weights.
Those seem slightly different than other AMRAPs in that you absolutely need to learn how to pace yourself over the 10 minutes, especially as weights get heavier. In many other classes you feel like you have to speed through AMRAPs fast as you can without rest.
I don't know if this is correct, but I tend to treat the longer AMRAPs as a chance to really up my weights and move slower, so that they're less cardio.
I don't know if this is correct, but I tend to treat the longer AMRAPs as a chance to really up my weights and move slower, so that they're less cardio.
I absolutely don't like AMRAPs and definitely view them - for the most part - as filler exercises to round out a class when there's not enough time for another set. I tend to get very bored and unmotivated during them, especially if they're any longer than 2 minutes or so. That said, Jess and Andy seem to actually use AMRAPs as part of their programming and theirs tend to feel more thoughtful and intentional as a result.
EMOMs, on the other hand - I like them, for the most part. When used correctly, I find them helpful for my overall training. I am leery of them in Rebecca's classes in particular, though, because I find she tends to cram too much into each minute and it's hard to complete them before the next minute starts, much less get any rest at all.
Callie went through a period of doing this too, towards the end of her pregnancy - she normally, if anything, is the anti-Rebecca with this and programs perhaps a bit too light on reps in each minute (though I personally like this as it lets me lift heavier without rushing and sacrificing form, but to each their own). But the last few months before mat leave, she definitely was cramming too much into a minute, as she herself often seemed to realize while doing the EMOM.
Adrian probably programs my favorite EMOMs overall - tough but generally doable.
I don't think of them as lazy programming, so much as one of the tools they have to use because they CAN'T do a bunch of stuff with apparatuses, like they would if they were training you in a gym. The one thing everyone owns who's doing strength classes is dumbbells, so to my mind there are only so many ways they can create a class around that which still feels like it has an easy-to-digest structure.
I love Callie Emom. Gives opportunity to use light or heavier weights and adjust reps accordingly to weight size. Some days I rather use light but more reps and I can do that.
What bothers me are Adrian's 4 sets of everything... I usually steer clear of his strength classes although I think he's great. You have to be in a certain type of mood to power through. It's like that with an 8-min EMOM for me too. Gotta be mentally ready and I'm usually.... not.
I've taken almost all of Jess Sims strength classes and she loves her EMOMs and AMRAPs and I've never once thought it was lazy programming. Her classes always seem very thought out to me.
I also agree. For me, AMRAPS are meant to be pretty heavy, methodical, and constant lifting. EMOMs are usually lighter weights but with a cardio element to get them done (with good form). I just completed Andy's latest TS60 block and it was 4 weeks with 6 min amraps. Brutal. I've done every single Flash 15 (all EMOMs) and, those are banging. Andy's density programs are 10 min AMPRAPs and those will build so much muscle and endurance. I find I get the most progression with these kinds of programming.
Jess sims helped me build abs during the pandemic I trust that woman with my life However I’ve taken some of her classes that had like an 8 minute AMRAP and that was not only hard and got boring fast but felt a littleeeee lazy and unnecessary (like a higher risk of injury due to fatigue from 8 minutes of challenging movements)
Anything past four minutes in an AMRAP I’m not about to
I think Jess has a truly impressive grasp of how to program an EMOM. Often when I take classes with other instructors the EMOMs are way overstuffed and it’s impossible to get all the moves in (looking at you, Rebecca!) or conversely there aren’t enough moves (Callie), but Jess really hits the sweet spot.
I did one with Tunde once where we BARELY finished inside the minute. It was basically an AMRAP but rushed, which is terrible.
Agreed. Jess is thoughtful and intentional about incorporating EMOMs and AMRAPs, her class is a mixture of different features. It never feels lazy but I do think some others feel a bit lazy with it
EMOMs seem well planned in most classes I've taken. But yeah, AMRAPs are definitely garbage time in a class that didn't have enough planned exercises.
The other morning I started a class with Logan and he announced it was going to be tabata/EMOM/AMRAP and I was like "no sir" and left lol. I like Logan, but I was not about that.
Was that the glutes and legs class? It was just ok. I don't know why I took it.
Yup
I teach a class similar to the bike/ tread bootcamps at my local gym. The reason you do amraps and emoms is to simplify the workout for all levels and the rounds help people stay on task. I don’t spend as much time showing the exercises since everyone is doing the same set together.
EMOMs can sometimes be a sneaky way to just do a rep based circuit while keeping everyone on the same time - IF they give you one move and a reasonable number of reps. I did a 10 min class with Callie and it was an A EMOM and B EMOM and the amount of reps was reasonable so you’d finish in about 30 seconds and have 30 seconds rest. I hate when an EMOM is like 3 moves and takes 50 seconds. That ain’t it.
I just cut the reps down. I’m really slow with some moves or may need recovery so I’ll do 10 instead of 12 or whatever.
Ooooorrrr really slow getting up off the floor like me lol
Yes, I actively avoid those types of classes! Also, I hate when an emom ends up being more like an amrap.
That's how I feel with Selena. I'll skip her class or drop the rep count if I see the workout plan has lower body emoms with more than one move in the same minute.
EMOMS don’t really bother me but I fucking HATE AMRAPs and definitely feel like it’s lazy programming. I guess I just don’t really understand the point of them.
I dislike AMRAPs and EMOMs - I find that they tend to be cardio intensive and emphasize muscular endurance rather than hypertrophy. With that said, I don’t consider them lazy programming. They are just a different stylistic choice. For example, Andy programs a 10 minute AMRAP into his new density 2 classes. He has a specific purpose in mind - if you hit more than a certain number of rounds, then he states you are ready to increase your weights.
Those seem slightly different than other AMRAPs in that you absolutely need to learn how to pace yourself over the 10 minutes, especially as weights get heavier. In many other classes you feel like you have to speed through AMRAPs fast as you can without rest.
I don't know if this is correct, but I tend to treat the longer AMRAPs as a chance to really up my weights and move slower, so that they're less cardio.
I don't know if this is correct, but I tend to treat the longer AMRAPs as a chance to really up my weights and move slower, so that they're less cardio.
I absolutely don't like AMRAPs and definitely view them - for the most part - as filler exercises to round out a class when there's not enough time for another set. I tend to get very bored and unmotivated during them, especially if they're any longer than 2 minutes or so. That said, Jess and Andy seem to actually use AMRAPs as part of their programming and theirs tend to feel more thoughtful and intentional as a result. EMOMs, on the other hand - I like them, for the most part. When used correctly, I find them helpful for my overall training. I am leery of them in Rebecca's classes in particular, though, because I find she tends to cram too much into each minute and it's hard to complete them before the next minute starts, much less get any rest at all. Callie went through a period of doing this too, towards the end of her pregnancy - she normally, if anything, is the anti-Rebecca with this and programs perhaps a bit too light on reps in each minute (though I personally like this as it lets me lift heavier without rushing and sacrificing form, but to each their own). But the last few months before mat leave, she definitely was cramming too much into a minute, as she herself often seemed to realize while doing the EMOM. Adrian probably programs my favorite EMOMs overall - tough but generally doable.
I don't think of them as lazy programming, so much as one of the tools they have to use because they CAN'T do a bunch of stuff with apparatuses, like they would if they were training you in a gym. The one thing everyone owns who's doing strength classes is dumbbells, so to my mind there are only so many ways they can create a class around that which still feels like it has an easy-to-digest structure.
AMRAPs with the guide are nice, because it’s all tracked
How is this lazy programming??
Nah. Rad does them a lot and he is never lazy with his programming.
I love Callie Emom. Gives opportunity to use light or heavier weights and adjust reps accordingly to weight size. Some days I rather use light but more reps and I can do that.
Yes!!!
What bothers me are Adrian's 4 sets of everything... I usually steer clear of his strength classes although I think he's great. You have to be in a certain type of mood to power through. It's like that with an 8-min EMOM for me too. Gotta be mentally ready and I'm usually.... not.
That’s… pretty standard strength programming at every level.
Big fan of 3 sets ;) Most instructors don't do 4.