It's not fully explained, but it seems most likely that the vice card represents how physically close your are to death. So neither of your two possibilities, but a third one that is essentially "the vivre card is like a health bar in videogames"
I.e Ace's started to burn up because BB nearly killed him, and it only regenerated slowly because he was in seaprism cuffs in ID. When Luffy drops it in Marineford it's mostly back to normal because Ace has healed by then, but it suddenly completely burns up because Akainu killed Ace from mostly full health
This.
The Vivre Card regenerating wasn't ever explained or mentioned, but it makes sense. Otherwise it would be a one time ticket basically, alerting you to one specfic instance of the owner's health being less than stellar. Like if Luffy had Ace's card and we see what happens at Amazon Lilly, the card starting to burn up. But then somehow Whitebeard manages to rescue Ace, he doesn't die, all things are peachy. If the card wouldn't regenerate, Ace would have to make a new one after healing up in that instance.
> If first one is the case then why luffy's vivre card didn't starts burning in wano arc and aware all the fleet members. I mean he literally died at some point before transferring into gear 5.
Who says it didn't? We haven't seen the Fleet after Wano, so it's possible that's exactly what happened
Your theory is interesting but the question still rise that why luffy's vivre card didn't started burning in wano or even in wci, and why ace's vivre card still burning even during ace was send to impel down.
We don’t know if Luffy’s vivre card was burning or not during Wano, we are never shown. And it was still burning while Ace was in Impel Down because he was still injured, maybe even being tortured at the time we were seeing it.
Luffy was defeated by Kaido and awakened Gear 5th within ten minutes. That's not enough time for the Grand Fleet to go to Wano since news about Luffy defeating Kaido would reach them before they arrived and the vivre card would reset to its normal state in an hour (which would show them that he is okay).
Also, we don't know if the Grand Fleet would respond to seeing Luffy's vivre card burn. He's always in danger so it would be really weird for them to drop everything and go to him every time that it's burning.
It's not a plot hole if you use your brain.
Exactly, there's no way Luffy's card was not burning during his fight with Kat for example.
Luffy's vivre card burning is probably normal, given how flippant we've seen Luffy be with his life and life span many times prior in the narrative.
Luffy's "death" would have been brief and the vivre card would've regenerated almost right away, just like you said.
OP is also assuming that everyone with Luffy's vivre card is paying attention to it 24/7.
When Luffy first sees Ace's Vivre card burning he says that he isn't going to go rescue him because Ace is a pirate and he is probably just in some sort of battle or fight just like the many Luffy has been in and that he'll probably be fine. Only after it was confirmed that actually it was something much more serious did he go to try and help.
It's very possible the Grand Fleet saw Luffy's Vivre card burning up and then reforming several times over the course of Wano and decided to trust in him the same way thinking that he could handle it.
Even if that's not the case though I don't see how it's a plot hole since we haven't seen the Grand Fleet at all since before Wano so there's no way to know how they responded.
Even tho one piece is like 1000+ episodes there are still things that needs to be explained 😭, we don't even know what grandfleet is doing rn, except barta who is roaming around burning shanks' flag.
Still I shouldn't worry about them, they couldn't even stand there ground against doffy's army. Can't be much of a help in the final saga.
The second case you mention is false, that's the first one which represent the caracteristics of a vivre card.
Now, regarding why the vivre card of Luffy didn't starts burning, we didn't see it burn but it burned that's for sure. It's so sure that's why we didn't see it.
Now, why the grand fleet didn't intervened, we don't know, it's weird indeed, but they were aware because the vivre card burned
You explained it 😁. The best logic i could think of is everyone believed that luffy could defeat that and after every fight luffy won his vivre card regenerated.
Until disproven my head cannon is, Luffys card turned into ash in front of Bartalomeo then, while he and his crew had a mental breakdown, when Luffy activated gear 5 it reformed from the ashes.
I think the whole health bar thing doesn't make sense in Ace's case. Since at that time his life wasn't in danger. I am not saying that it shouldn't be the case later in Marineford where he actually dies but not at that time when Luffy learnt that Ace was captured...
Also It would have been interesting if Bellamy had joined back then..m
Honestly a Vivre card is a convenient plot device that will be used to explain how to find someone or know their well being. The mechanics of how it works and how its made will probably never be explained since that would create restrictions on the way its used. We probably would see the vivre card used once more at the Egghead arc to explain another convenient meet up.
It's not fully explained, but it seems most likely that the vice card represents how physically close your are to death. So neither of your two possibilities, but a third one that is essentially "the vivre card is like a health bar in videogames" I.e Ace's started to burn up because BB nearly killed him, and it only regenerated slowly because he was in seaprism cuffs in ID. When Luffy drops it in Marineford it's mostly back to normal because Ace has healed by then, but it suddenly completely burns up because Akainu killed Ace from mostly full health
This. The Vivre Card regenerating wasn't ever explained or mentioned, but it makes sense. Otherwise it would be a one time ticket basically, alerting you to one specfic instance of the owner's health being less than stellar. Like if Luffy had Ace's card and we see what happens at Amazon Lilly, the card starting to burn up. But then somehow Whitebeard manages to rescue Ace, he doesn't die, all things are peachy. If the card wouldn't regenerate, Ace would have to make a new one after healing up in that instance.
> If first one is the case then why luffy's vivre card didn't starts burning in wano arc and aware all the fleet members. I mean he literally died at some point before transferring into gear 5. Who says it didn't? We haven't seen the Fleet after Wano, so it's possible that's exactly what happened
Your theory is interesting but the question still rise that why luffy's vivre card didn't started burning in wano or even in wci, and why ace's vivre card still burning even during ace was send to impel down.
We don’t know if Luffy’s vivre card was burning or not during Wano, we are never shown. And it was still burning while Ace was in Impel Down because he was still injured, maybe even being tortured at the time we were seeing it.
Do you have a source where it said that his card didn't start burning? For all we know it was
Luffy was defeated by Kaido and awakened Gear 5th within ten minutes. That's not enough time for the Grand Fleet to go to Wano since news about Luffy defeating Kaido would reach them before they arrived and the vivre card would reset to its normal state in an hour (which would show them that he is okay). Also, we don't know if the Grand Fleet would respond to seeing Luffy's vivre card burn. He's always in danger so it would be really weird for them to drop everything and go to him every time that it's burning. It's not a plot hole if you use your brain.
Exactly, there's no way Luffy's card was not burning during his fight with Kat for example. Luffy's vivre card burning is probably normal, given how flippant we've seen Luffy be with his life and life span many times prior in the narrative. Luffy's "death" would have been brief and the vivre card would've regenerated almost right away, just like you said. OP is also assuming that everyone with Luffy's vivre card is paying attention to it 24/7.
When Luffy first sees Ace's Vivre card burning he says that he isn't going to go rescue him because Ace is a pirate and he is probably just in some sort of battle or fight just like the many Luffy has been in and that he'll probably be fine. Only after it was confirmed that actually it was something much more serious did he go to try and help. It's very possible the Grand Fleet saw Luffy's Vivre card burning up and then reforming several times over the course of Wano and decided to trust in him the same way thinking that he could handle it. Even if that's not the case though I don't see how it's a plot hole since we haven't seen the Grand Fleet at all since before Wano so there's no way to know how they responded.
yeah, I think they saw the vivre card recover after the first time Luffy got one shot by Kaido, so they thought it was fine
Even tho one piece is like 1000+ episodes there are still things that needs to be explained 😭, we don't even know what grandfleet is doing rn, except barta who is roaming around burning shanks' flag. Still I shouldn't worry about them, they couldn't even stand there ground against doffy's army. Can't be much of a help in the final saga.
The second case you mention is false, that's the first one which represent the caracteristics of a vivre card. Now, regarding why the vivre card of Luffy didn't starts burning, we didn't see it burn but it burned that's for sure. It's so sure that's why we didn't see it. Now, why the grand fleet didn't intervened, we don't know, it's weird indeed, but they were aware because the vivre card burned
You explained it 😁. The best logic i could think of is everyone believed that luffy could defeat that and after every fight luffy won his vivre card regenerated.
Until disproven my head cannon is, Luffys card turned into ash in front of Bartalomeo then, while he and his crew had a mental breakdown, when Luffy activated gear 5 it reformed from the ashes.
I think the whole health bar thing doesn't make sense in Ace's case. Since at that time his life wasn't in danger. I am not saying that it shouldn't be the case later in Marineford where he actually dies but not at that time when Luffy learnt that Ace was captured... Also It would have been interesting if Bellamy had joined back then..m
Honestly a Vivre card is a convenient plot device that will be used to explain how to find someone or know their well being. The mechanics of how it works and how its made will probably never be explained since that would create restrictions on the way its used. We probably would see the vivre card used once more at the Egghead arc to explain another convenient meet up.