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answer: You want the short answer or the long answer? I’ll give you the short version.
Kendrick has been fairly open about disliking drake for a long time (like since 2013). Drake hasn’t really said much about Kendrick (edit: **directly**), except last year on a song titled “First Person Shooter” with another rapper J. Cole, where Cole says,
Love when they argue the hardest MC/ Is it K-Dot [kendrick]? Is it Aubrey [Drake]? Or me?/ We the big three like we started a league
Kendrick responded directly to this claim that they’re the “big 3” in a verse on “Like That” where he says,
“motherfuck the big 3 … It’s just big me”
Clearly Kendrick did not want to be put on the “level” of drake and J. Cole
This leads to J. Cole coming out with a diss track against Kendrick (“Seven Minute Drill”) but he deleted it after a couple days and apologized. He might have heard whispers about what was gonna follow..
Drake released two direct disses towards Kendrick: “Push Ups” where he makes fun of Kendrick’s shorter stature, and “Taylor Made Freestyle” where he uses an AI generated voice for 2Pac and Snoop Dogg in an attempt to goad Kendrick into responding. “Taylor Made Freestyle” generally was looked down on compared to “Push Ups” because it used 2Pac’s likeness without his estate’s consent (he later took it down at the request of 2Pac’s estate - a move that Drake later blames on Kendrick calling 2Pac’s estate and pressuring them to do so)
So after Drake releases these two diss tracks, Kendrick responds with his first direct diss against Drake: Euphoria. In it, he claims (among other things) that Drake’s label, OVO, has snitches for Kendrick inside of it. Kendrick also criticizes Drake’s use of the n-word and how “the culture” doesn’t respect Drake.
Kendrick follows this up with a song “6:16” where he doubles down on the claim that OVO has people feeding Kendrick information, and that Drake is wildly insecure
Drake makes his response to Kendrick’s disses with one of his own in “Family Matters”. He makes a well-shot music video that shows Drake referencing several of Kendrick’s remarks, showing him that he’s not bothered by it at all. In this diss track, he claims that Kendrick is hiding a domestic abuse scandal and that one of his sons is not biologically Kendrick’s. He continues by claiming that Kendrick is racist towards light-skinned black people, and says that Kendrick is a hypocrite for how he raps about socially conscious ideals but doesn’t replicate them in real life
Now so far, things are fairly standard, but it seems like it’s getting heated up. Drake is laying into Kendrick and Kendrick is unabashedly claiming he’s Drake’s biggest hater.
The reason people are going crazy about tonight is because less than a half hour after Drake drops “Family Matters”, Kendrick releases a response (likely in large [or completely] recorded beforehand), titled “Meet the Grahams”. He addresses some of what Drake mentioned (like Ozempic, “lies” about Kendrick’s family, etc.) and publicly claims that Drake is a pedophile and a predator, and shelters predators in OVO. Kendrick also states that Drake has another (see: Story of Adonis) hidden child. The thumbnail for the diss track includes a picture of drake’s belongings, including a prescription for Ozempic under Drake’s legal name “Aubrey Graham”
Today hip hop fans ate good because Kendrick dropped “6:16 in LA” this morning, Drake dropped “Family Matters” around 8:30 PST, and Kendrick immediately responded with a new diss track on top of that.
Before you say “this is the short version?” Yes. Yes this is the short version. If you want the extended discussion, you have to listen to these tracks and read the lyrics on Genius to get the full context
EDIT 1: NAH KENDRICK RELEASED **ANOTHER DISS TRACK**
“Not Like Us” features a thumbnail of drake’s mansion with several sex offender registry symbols on it. In it he doubles down on pedophile accusations and parodies Drake’s style of making TikTok dance music.
To go deeper in the lore, Drake hasn’t really ever come out and directly dissed Kendrick before but there’s been distaste sinc the Control verse.
At the start of their careers Kendrick did this feature where he dissed everyone worth mentioning including Drake, it was sorta a victory lap for his first album and also a starting gun for his career. Drake is the only one who took it personally and talked about how he didn’t respect that Kendrick didn’t actually beef with him. Their next albums then were seen as basically competing. Then of all people Macklemore wins the Grammy and says it should have gone to Kendrick and Drake goes on this really pissy spree about how either Macklemore shouldn’t have apologized or he should’ve apologized to him too. It was clearly petty.
All that is to say they’ve disliked each other for a decade and have been sorta seen as neck and neck for who the “best” is for different reasons. Now they’re finally putting their skills against each other directly. Except it is getting REALLY nasty. With Drake saying Kendrick is a cuckolded wife beater and Kendrick saying Drake is a predator on tier with Weinstein or Diddy.
Another main point of contention between the two of them which I haven't seen covered in the above posts is the usage of ghostwriters. Drake doesn't write his own raps while Kendrick does, and Kendrick makes references to Drake's "team" in his recently released tracks.
This is a point that he’s held for a long time. Kendrick has regularly mentioned his distaste for ghostwriters and teams in interviews, comments, and on King Kunta, one of his largest hits.
Didn’t Drake say that Keem wrote for Kendrick in his Family Matters response? Basically calling him a hypocrite. I’ve only listed to each song once so could be misremembering things.
FWIW I agree that's probably more likely. Baby Keem was like 12-15 when Good Kid Maad City and To Pimp a Butterfly came out lol. Just seems that it would fall pretty flat as a diss if he weren't talking more about the state of Kendrick's recent career
Kendrick keeps mentioning that drake is constantly lying
Keem is currently 23 years old
Is drake trying to say that that keem has been ghostwriting since he was 12 years old?
IMO the ghost writers and his creepy texts to younger actresses from Stranger Things to others marks Drake as popular but insecure and trying to fit into the rapper career as an outsider who doesn't respect or understand the insiders. But he's popular and overplayed so he feels like he's big when in a decade he won't be remembered past the scandals.
The guy hasn't had a good track since collaborating with the Wii shop theme, but that's my opinion. Kendrick repeatedly changes the landscape with his releases while Drake makes basically pop drivel that won't matter in a week.
On the first part, I've always heard that when Drake writes diss tracks, he usually punches down. He likes to diss smaller rappers and women who can't clap back and actually hurt his reputation. So for him to write diss tracks about Kendrick is kinda weird, like he's taking this very personally.
That’s definitely true, and famously the moment he started losing with Pusha T he squashed the beef. Meek Mill was somewhat the high point of his career because it was him going against someone who theoretically is more capable than him, in every way expect for commercial appeal which is how he won (that and Meek faceplanting in his reply).
But to be fair, for the past several years of his career there has been no one above him. Anyone with a larger fan base or more respect or anything is basically retired. The closest to anyone larger than him he’s beefed with is Kanye and it was a Kanye who was already in a steep decline. Other people who could claim to be bigger or more capable than him, Beyoncé sure but he’s certainly not attacking her. Jay-Z maybe out of legacy, Eminem is basically just making music for his core fans and is also cool with Drake. Kendrick really is the *only* guy who is a bigger deal than Drake currently though for different reasons, Drake is the most commercially popular and Kendrick is critically respected. Oh and Taylor swift, drake said she was the only one he feared which tells you where his head is at. His Meagan disses highlighted he’s been seeking out fights with smaller artists and women for a minute.
Also to your point, even in his back and forth with Kendrick his songs are full of filler attacking Rick Ross, ASAP, and Metro. Smaller artists and one isn’t even a rapper. Sure they dissed him but it’s like if in Batman vs Superman, one wasted time to smack Green Arrow.
To clarify about the Pusha T, did he squash it?
I wasn’t to much into it but I thought Drake had J Prince step in and be like “oh this needs to stop because Drake’s diss would be to much and disrupt families”
Or some shit like that.
I think this beef is great because no one (except maybe Lil Wayne) can save him. Even then Wayne said a few years back that he told Drake to not start rapping like he’s gangster but Drake didn’t listen.
Drake knew about Ye's 20-year love for Adolf Hitler and the Nazis and was told not to use it as it would affect labels as a whole. No wonder why Kanye would say something like that on live broadcast. He wanted to control the narrative, and he has
Idk if I would say Em is cool with Drake, he had a couple disses on him in his Kamikaze album
From “Fall”:
“If you're gonna critique me, you better at least be as good or better
Get Earl the Hooded Sweater, whatever his name is,
To help you put together some words, more than just two letters
The fans waited for this moment Like that feature when I stole the show
Sorry if I took forever”
This is Em coming at Drake for having ghost writers, I guess one of them is Earl Sweatshirt? Then he gives a dig at him saying that his verse on Forever overshadowed Drake on his own song.
This is one of my favorite Em songs, he destroys everyone and the beat is so solid.
That wasn't about Drake, that was about Tyler, the Creator. More specifically it's about when Tyler tweeted that some of Em's work was ass. It's why Earl was mentioned, because Tyler and Earl are connected through Odd Future.
His Control verse wasn’t a diss. That’s why no one took exception to it but drake. It’s well known Drake is sensitive and that’s why he’s the only one who took offense.
I still don't understand how Drake ever got any credit within the community. He is a little drama boy who acted a bit and makes pop songs. He is good at that but then he also tried to act like he is a G because he has bought himself a hareem of people that would throw down if needed.
Not all Hip Hop needs to come from a lad who grew up in Compton and saw dead bodies as a boy, but I myself prefer when it comes from a lad or lass that grew up like me or many working class folk having fuck all.
Drakes corney and should be treated as such
And Kendrick called drakes response to control out in the BET cypher. Something like; nothings been the same since I dropped control, and tucked a sensitive rapper back in his pyjama clothes.
And made lots of comments in interviews like ‘no one that matters got upset about control’.
True. Everyone but Drake took it as either a compliment or just Kdot affirming himself as someone worthy to be “king”. Drake was in his feelings about it.
There’s two fairly different fan bases. I’d say of the people watching the battle Kendrick is the fan favorite but Drake has the bigger fan base.
Drake is a much bigger artist. He’s the commercial friendly artist. I don’t say this just to put him down, he was boundary breaking. He defied a lot of what hip hop needed to be and what mainstream needed to be and really made himself the man of the moment despite all odds. His misogyny is catching up to him now but in his art he was also for a minute seen as miles above the rap artist who was making music for women as well. He, like Kanye, also were leading figures showing you didn’t need to perform masculinity or hide your feelings to succeed. To use the outdated term he’s a radio play guy, streaming hits now I guess. His core fans are REALLY pulling for him in this as a few comments and messages have reminded me but a lot of his ‘fans’ are just casual pop listeners. Frat boys. As someone who was briefly in a frat, frat boys REALLY love his music.
Kendrick is Obama’s favorite artist. That’s how loved and respected he is. He calls himself a prophet because he is treated with a level of just respect and admiration. Since DAMN he seems to have become disinterested in commercial success and is more focused on legacy music. His last album was an exploration of his own journey through mental health and identity issues, struggling with prejudices to over come and loss and hate and fame. He is, probably the most talented living person in this genre. His fan base is definitely smaller than drake, he basically disappeared for the pandemic while drake made tik tok dance hits. But he does have an advantage that there are a lot of non fans of the genre that just like to support whoever the correct or best or coolest person is. They can easily identify that as Kendrick so boom he’s their favorite. Sorta like if you didn’t listen to rock you could still be like, oh yeah Queen.
What’s made this an interesting spectacle is until basically yesterday it’s been neck and neck even in public’s perception. But now, it’s gotten super dark. Pretty much everyone agrees how does drake come back from this but he still has defenders.
As for them both being horrible people. It really depends how much is true. Personally I think Drake is atleast a douche and an opportunist. Almost certainly a deadbeat Dad and, well the sex criminal thing who knows. Kendrick being a domestic abuser I don’t totally believe but it’s possible and he needs to address it. Idk I think the worst you can say about Kendrick if that stuff ISNT true is that he’s a hypocritical preachy hotep adjacent arrogant dude, but one who does self work and makes amazing art.
another important detail for me is that the cover art for 6:16 is a picture of a glove with something in the background.
Then for Meet the Grahams the cover art is from the same picture, just zoomed way out and now instead of just a glove you can see a bunch of items (including the same glove, prescriptions for Zolpidem and Oezempic, jewelry receipts) supposedly taken from a suitcase that was lost by / stolen from from Drake’s dad.
Implication is that Kendrick had both tracks ready at the same time because (as he claims in 6:16) there are people in Drake’s camp “working for Kendrick” because people in Drake’s own camp want him to get what he deserves
Something else about “6:16 in LA” I found interesting:
Drake claimed that Kendrick would need to drop a “quadruple entendre” or something like that to impress him
“6:16 in LA” has several layers:
Drake’s timestamp series follows this same format (time: in place)
“Euphoria,” the title of Kendrick’s previous diss, is the name of the TV series of which Drake is a producer, which premiered on June 16, 2019
June 16 this year is Father’s Day
June 16, 1994 is the date the OJ Simpson trial began in LA - likely the reason for the black glove on the cover
June 16 is 2Pac’s birthday
In addition, “6:16 in LA” was co-written and co-produced by Jack Antonoff, who is known for working with Taylor Swift. In a way, this makes this diss literally “Taylor Made.”
Proverbs goes hard, but also Corinth
There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, 19 a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.
I knew there was an OJ angle to focusing on the glove! I just didn’t know enough technical details about the trial to put it together. That’s clever as fuck.
I mean, the whole thing is clever. But Kendrick is just different. Dude is letting it known you don’t fuck with him.
My Twitter feed got flooded with people saying Drake got atomized. Not knowing anything about Kendrick or Drake I opened up Meet the Grahams to see if I could make sense of it and.
Jesus. **CHRIST**
The most shocking part (outside of the allegations) was that he just came out and said all that for me lmao, usually rappers don’t go there or only vaguely insinuate death
My favorite is in the newest diss (Not Like Us), he just straight up calls him a pedophile. Not beating around the bush anymore, he’s going right for it
Man I don't usually listen to rap but you all got me intrigued. Still on the verse starting with "dear Dennis" and I had to stop and come back. Almost doesn't even feel like music anymore it's just saying some shit he needs to get off his chest and it happens to have a beat behind it.
EDIT: I don't even know what to say. That was just wow. I thought the earlier verse was heavy and it just goes and goes. The emotion in it is just insane.
I've been hearing about the beef and knew about the drama in passing but had no interest in listening to any of the actual tracks. Usually try to avoid this kind of thing. Then I saw people losing their minds over Meet the Grahams even on a sub not normally about rap beef at all. Casually gave it a listen and *god I was NOT READY*
I just caught up (I heard Euphoria and thought that was the most recent release). Man, Kendrick put Drake in the fucking GROUND with [Meet the Grahams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gff1KDXWKyo).
I have been dying for someone to officially address Drake’s behavior and I woulda never thought it would be Kendrick. Now I love Kenny even more.
Man didn’t hold back!! 🙌🏼
Edit: HOLY SHIT ANOTHER ONE
[Not Like Us](https://youtu.be/T6eK-2OQtew)
Kendrick keeps piling the dirt on Drake’s casket. What a time to be alive
Um, Kendrick literally just dropped again, a few minutes ago.
If you wanna be even more flabbergasted, go check out Not Like Us.
Kendrick HATES that cornball and I love it.
Meet the Grahams goes hard but I don't think anything will ever top The Story of Adidon. Its all old news now but when it came out it hit Drake so hard he didn't even clap back, he basically just did a press release saying he'd be a father to his son. Kendrick's is a little long winded where Pusha killed Drake in a minute thirty seconds. Also we are gunna need proof of the hidden daughter or that's kinda a miss.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5G59qJQp7I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5G59qJQp7I)
As someone who thinks adonis is a 10/10, Meet the Grahams is worse
I mean this dude straight up called you a pedophile who hides sex offenders on your payroll and runs a whorehouse out of your own mansion to traffic women
Forget the daughter thing (if that's true then this is even worse) but I feel like people keep harping on that while glossing over the whole "you are a sex trafficker whose house is about to get raided" part
He said he wanted Drake to die like that’s pretty hard but he tops it literally a moment later “Adonis I’m sorry that that man is your father” like Jesus Christ himself would roll in his grave
I agree. Adidon was great but mainly focused on Drake being an absentee father. Grahams is deeper, darker and more sinister. Kendrick deconstructs Drake's entire family tree blaming them for the way he is and the way his son will end up being.
The sex offender on the payroll has receipts, but the sex traffic house is also pretty much unverified at this point. Not that I don't believe it's something Drake would do, I just think it's easy for Drake to deflect, whereas he had literally no answer for Adidon and it ended up costing him all the money from the adidas deal it killed.
> but the sex traffic house is also pretty much unverified at this point
There's that tiktok from 2021 of the girl saying Drake pays his team to go out and fetch him women in all different cities as well as Drake having a line in a song about it too
"All good, Chubbs'll look around find one that seem my type, that my dawg and he know what I like, he done found me plenty in my life"
I agree there is no hard proof at this point but there's definitely bread crumbs there
The internet already found the alleged daughter and what's crazy is that she was name checked in the verse if you know her name, which I'm not disclosing since it's a kid who didn't ask to be part of this beef
If feels like something nobody was ever meant to hear. I saw a meme earlier that said "this beef is starting to feel like none of my business." Just a week ago, when Push Ups & Taylor Made were the most recent songs to have dropped, this whole thing still felt exciting & fun. But with each new song, it feels darker and more sinister
That track made me feel so *uneasy*. The sinister piano, Kendrick like a soft spoken sadist, the beat...I felt like going under my duvet and sleeping with all the lights on
Oh my god. And there’s another that just came out after Meet the Grahams.
“Trying to strike a chord and it’s probably A Minorrrrrrr.” No joke, spouse and I open mouth gaped at each other at that line.
Brutal.
I don't like either of their stuff, but that song was well done. Actually liked it. That said, it better all be true for Kendrick sake... it crosses the line of dissing and stomps hard on accusing him of multiple crimes and could be defamatory if it's false, opening it up to a lawsuit. If it is true, feel like drake should just end his career now, call it quits before he gets p diddlered
I’m honestly gonna wait until the dust clears to make a post because anything I make with inevitably be outdated in a couple days..shit, a couple hours the rate this is going 😭
I think r/hobbydrama rules state the drama has to be 'done' after a minimum of 3 weeks or it'll get removed. So you definitely will want to wait for a while on that one.
Snoop didn’t give a fuck about Drake using his likeness, but he probably didn’t want to be included in the feud at all. It’s possible Drake asked him and he said no, which would make sense since Snoop isn’t about the beef anymore at this stage in his life. But it’s also possible Drake never wanted him to feature.
He shared the track positively on his IG. He seems to be in the not really caring phase of his career. He’s famously one of the musicians who will do any feature if you pay his fee which is why he shows up in a lot of indie or kpop songs
Plus surely Snoop is closer with Kendrick.
Edit: I had to check since I'm not American, I knew they're both from a similar spot of LA but Long Beach to Compton is like 10 miles.
[Snoop has also been close with Kendrick for a long time](https://youtu.be/wiNjKh3IDGc?si=mQUR8925e41FehJ6)
On Hood Politics (TPAB) Kendrick says “I'm the only n**** next to Snoop that can push the button”
Uhh, no talent, only famous cuz Disney channel, has ghost writers for everything... Hell no he didn't have consent that's why he took it down.
Imagine the guy that some lost souls call the goat using AI to rap.
This isn’t necessarily true, Kendrick dropped Control in 2013 challenging his peers to just rap better, Drake went on a subsequent press tour on multiple platforms belittling Kendrick and what he said on Control that’s what started the issues
True but a large part of Eminem’s verses, maybe all I don’t remember, were already in a song with Royce da 5’9” called Renegade so it might be more of an Eminem song anyway.
Drake insecurity is a know fact after he himself decided to reveal how he dm a music critic Anthony Fantano, being mad about the score of one's of Drake albums. If a YouTube video made Drake feel that way imagine how he is feeling about being called by Kendrick.
That was the funniest shit ever, Fantano didn't even have to say anything back, for everyone to see just how insecure Drake is. That cake recipe was good though.
It was even better because Fantano put up a shit post pretending Drake sent him a vegan cookie recipe (Fantano's vegan).
People just thought it was just Fantano messing around until Drake put up the screenshots to show he actually messaged him a load of insults. Drake even mentioned Fantano's wife (maybe ex wife now?) being black as well.
If Drake hadn't shown the screenshots, no one would have known he sent the messages.
This is a pretty good summary. Only thing I might add is that he isn't saying it's just Drake, he's saying that there are other artists in the music industry whose careers are used as a cover to pull victims in for predation /trafficking
Literally referenced Diddy when he said Drake was gonna get raided next.
>The Embassy ’bout to get raided, too, it’s only a matter of time
Drake calls his mansion “the Embassy”.
Kinda accurate, one sticking point for me is that Drake has been sneak dissing Kendrick for years, so that 'Drake hasn't really said much about Kendrick' line isn't true. He has been going off like a bitter ex for almost a decade.
Good quick summary but even this short response is wayyy too short, there's so much to unpack. People like myself who have been waiting for this for over a decade have been absolutely feasting since Like That dropped.
Some additional context to the claims that Drake is a pedophile/predator, as well as the statement that he has “another hidden child”:
Drake has a history of personally communicating with young, underaged women. Prominent examples include music artist Billie Eilish, actress Millie Bobby Brown, and model Bella Harris. Because of this, rumours that Drake is a child groomer have been floating around the Internet. However, it should be noted that the rumours have had little to no credence until now: the prominent examples have all denied wrongdoing by Drake, and publicly there is no evidence to indicate that Drake has been seriously accused of wrongdoing (i.e. public civil legal cases or criminal cases). At most, until now, there was an old YouTube video of 23 y/o Drake making inappropriate sexual remarks about a 17 y/o girl (whom he knew was underage) during a concert. However, the video is old, and although highly problematic — it alone does not establish a pattern of predatory behaviour.
Lamar’s accusations have added huge fuel to the fire of these rumours because he is famous (making his accusations highly visible), he is in the field (meaning that he is, theoretically, credible because he is likely privy to behind-the-scenes information), and he has accused Drake of covering up evidence (which explains why no evidence of Drake’s misconduct exists).
As for the diss of “having another hidden child”, Drake has a son named Adonis. When news outlets initially discovered that Drake may have been Adonis’ father, he publicly denied this claim at first before eventually confirming that he was indeed Adonis’ father. The accusation that Drake has another child that he is hiding is not completely unfounded, as he previously did so with Adonis.
Edit: Some people have brought up some contradictions that I would like to address.
On the point of Millie Bobby Brown: is the situation highly disturbing? Yes. Has Brown accused Drake of wrongdoing? No. While both parties have confirmed that they have had contact in ways most would consider highly concerning (Drake regularly communicating with Brown when he was 14, they have apparently stayed in hotel rooms together, etc.), the fact remains Brown has not accused Drake **of wrongdoing** or mentioned doing things with Drake that are explicitly illicit (i.e. sexual contact, sexting, etc.). To this day, Brown has maintained that there was nothing wrong about her relationship with Drake.
Drake settled a sexual assault lawsuit in 2019. However, settling **DOES NOT** equal guilt. Lawsuits are incredibly expensive and time-consuming, and it’s not uncommon for rich people to settle and make a payment rather than going through the effort of an entire lawsuit. As this lawsuit was kept largely private, we have no idea what sort of evidence was used to support the accusation of sexual assault.
Also, for the record, I think that the rumours are probably true and that Drake has probably done some seriously bad shit that he covered up with his money and fame. However, unlike other famous predators (Weinstein, Epstein, Louis C.K, Bill Cosby, etc.) there currently isn’t much **publicly available** evidence attesting to this.
He doesn’t just make sexual remarks against a 17 year old all on video on YouTube, he fondles her and kisses her neck *BEFORE* asking her age and when he finds out she’s 17, he says he can’t go to jail yet and “why do you look like that? You’re thick” as he then talks about her breasts and kisses her on the cheek.
Hard disagree that there was no credence before now. The Millie Bobby Brown thing (inarguably the worst rumor) was never a rumor as it was literally openly confirmed by both parties. And the incident with him booking out a stadium for a girl's 18th birthday (whom he had been talking to since she was 15/16) was on camera.
Was gonna say the same about the Millie bobby brown thing. She was all like “ya we’re great friends snd meet up at hotels whenever we’re in the same town”.
Like why is an old rich dude meeting with children alone in hotels at all.
Especially one as rich and influential as drake that probably should
Have better things to so.
She admitted in a red carpet interview when she was 13 and Drake was like 30 that he texts her all the time and when the interviewer asked what they talk about she said they talk about boys together and he gives her advice
Such a good response adding additional context. Bravo.
I have a personal feeling that Drake is so entrenched in the industry that even famous actresses like Millie Bobby Brown and singer-songwriter Billie Eilish wouldn’t speak against him so publicly as Kendrick has done.
Also this tweet from way back. https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/acx2vy/stranger_tings/#lightbox
“If amazing was a young bitch, I’d be going to jail… cause I’m fucking amazing”.
2024 had been a wild ass year for rap beef and were not even halfway through. Meg & Nicki, Kendrick and Drake, Chris Brown and Quavo. Can’t wait to see what happens next!
It depends. Sometimes the loser just quietly sinks into the background, sometimes they just ignore it, sometimes they uh…stab or shoot someone over it. Typically though they stay quiet and it blows over after a few years, though their legacy is tainted from it
In order:
[First Person Shooter - Drake, J Cole](https://youtu.be/Xty2gi5cMa8)
[Like That - Kendrick Lamar, Future](https://youtu.be/N9bKBAA22Go)
[Push Ups - Drake](https://youtu.be/DMvaSqDnHl8) <- this is the first actual diss track in this list; all that follows are diss tracks
[Taylor Made Freestyle - Drake](https://youtu.be/MM0J1szDoPM)
[Euphoria - Kendrick Lamar](https://youtu.be/_sJ79aDQTeQ)
[6:16 in LA - Kendrick Lamar](https://youtu.be/MabjUIUj6uo)
[Family Matters - Drake](https://youtu.be/q0nZthU1QdE)
[Meet the Grahams - Kendrick Lamar](https://youtu.be/Gff1KDXWKyo)
[Not Like Us - Kendrick Lamar](https://youtu.be/T6eK-2OQtew) <- HOLY SHIT KENNY DROPPED ANOTHER ONE 🤯
There’s far too many lines and far too many songs to explain them all in a few Reddit comments. I promise Genius has excellent annotations to the lyrics for any songs I listed.
I will say that a huge theme of the beef is centered around Adonis (Drake’s son), who Drake did not claim as his until Pusha-T released “Story of Adidon” in 2018. (That whole beef was wild too, look into it). Another consistent theme is Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers, Kendrick’s most recent album. Heavily recommend you give that a listen if you want **full** context behind some of these bars.
There’s a lot of disses directed at Drake’s inappropriate behavior towards minors so you can Google some of that if you’re interested. There’s also a lot about Drake being Canadian (which is true) and how he was a child actor (also true). Kendrick’s infidelity comes up but, again, Mr. Morale includes Kendrick confessing and facing up to that.
>Pusha-T released “Story of Adidon” in 2018. (That whole beef was wild too, look into it).
I'm not hugely familiar but I assumed that was gonna end Drake's career back then
Drake is, for better or worse, just much more popular than the other characters in this story. Kendrick and Cole and Pusha are rappers you know if you're into rap, but you know Drake if you're aware of popular music at all. Even if everybody who listened to Adidon stopped liking Drake it probably wouldn't meaningfully hurt his sales.
Good point. I'm not a big rap guy (I mean I think Good Kid MAAD City and To Pimp a Butterfly are 10/10s) but yeah I'm definitely coming at all of this from a particular non American very white angle lol
It would take days. Just look at how people have broken down the song titles alone. Apparently there are like 7 different references just in the title '6:16 in LA'. To give you an indication of some of the layers involved, in that track Kendrick sampled Al Green. But it's a track that Drakes uncle played guitar on many years ago. Shit is calculated as heck.
Thanks for writing this up, Meet the Grahams is insane on its own, but I just went through everything you just wrote up and once you hear it again within context, everything that led up to it, it’s just fucking crazy.
thank you. Like I knew the general gist was that they were beefing, I just have grown over the years to not give a single shit about celebrities that I didn’t care to understand the nuance. But your post was informative and engaging. Cheers.
I also don't give a damn about celebrity beefs. But I feel it's different with Kendrick.
Kendrick, despite being a sort of celebrity, avoids celebrity attention and he is very real. For this reason I think that his disses also seem very real, not just manufactured for celebrity attention.
What do I mean when I say Kendrick is "real?" He's a real artist. He seems to care about his art as a body of work at least as much as he cares about sales. If he was not a rapper, I think he would write novels or make films or some other form of art. But Drake is a phony entertainer who performs pieces that are written by someone else.
Kendrick is real in the sense that he grew up with poor parents in Compton. Everyone knows that his friends and family are bloods or blood affiliated. Not a soft upbringing. But he's a smart kid who got A's in high school and focused on a music career, instead of gandbanging. His music is about the struggles and interior conflicts that come with this existence. In contrast Drake is mostly a privileged phony who is play acting.
And Kendrick doesn't get called out, and he doesn't diss people, not the way other rappers do.
In this context it feels like more than a rap beef. It feels personal enough that the real one (Kendrick) is not holding back. He's just attacking someone who he has a lot of distain for, and the hate feels real not manufactured. This is thrilling for a lot of music fans.
Rick Ross, another rapper beefing with Drake is notably overweight. Ozempic is diabetes medication that also turns out to be a really effective weight loss drug.
On “Family Matters,” which Drake dropped last night. He has a couple lines clowning Rick Ross for allegedly taking it. Literally a couple minutes later Kendrick’s “meet the grahams” drops, in which Kendrick basically exposes Drake for taking Ozempic. With photo proof and all.
Tons of lines center around Drake being phony, having substance abuse issues and taking shortcuts for appearances. Notably surgery on his abs, a nose job and the aforementioned taking of Ozempic to help with weight loss.
Euphoria ends with "if you take it there, I'm taking it further. Psst... That's something you don't want to do"
Then, Not Like Us opens with "psst... I see dead people"
Fucking iconic.
I’m intrigued. In what order should i listen to these tracks?
Edit:
I just went and listened to them in the following order:
- Push Ups - Drake
- Euphoria - Kendrick
- 6:16 in LA - Kendrick
- Family Matters - Drake
- Meet The Grahams - Kendrick
I like Drakes cadence and delivery and his rapping is more of what i would listen to when i was a teen but goddamn Kendrick was saying some heavy shit lmao. The man wasn’t even rapping - he was doing a therapy session in Meet The Grahams.
I honestly can’t say who is getting the better of it since i’m OOTL on what they’re rapping about but even so, you can tell Kendrick is hitting Drake with some hard stuff.
From what I heard in all the drama popping up;
-it was actually within 10 minutes that Meet the Grahams dropped after Family Matters
-Meet the Grahams has references/responses to what was said in Family Matters
-people are inferring that the image used was taken by somebody close enough to drake to do so. The shirt, the ozempic prescript, the pill bottles, the receipt was from something (a ring?) Bought in the latest music video, etc.
This 47-minute video goes year by year of the history between Drake and Kendrick by [What’s The Dirt](https://youtu.be/2hjA_L7yjfY?si=IEWV4MLsfLnubDJ8). Kendrick Lamar linked up with Drake on the Club Paradise Tour in 2012. Kendrick challenged rappers on Big Sean’s Control. Both Drake and Kendrick has been subliminally dropping diss to each for the past decade and then it brewed up to this. That video had a really great explanation of the beef
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answer: You want the short answer or the long answer? I’ll give you the short version. Kendrick has been fairly open about disliking drake for a long time (like since 2013). Drake hasn’t really said much about Kendrick (edit: **directly**), except last year on a song titled “First Person Shooter” with another rapper J. Cole, where Cole says, Love when they argue the hardest MC/ Is it K-Dot [kendrick]? Is it Aubrey [Drake]? Or me?/ We the big three like we started a league Kendrick responded directly to this claim that they’re the “big 3” in a verse on “Like That” where he says, “motherfuck the big 3 … It’s just big me” Clearly Kendrick did not want to be put on the “level” of drake and J. Cole This leads to J. Cole coming out with a diss track against Kendrick (“Seven Minute Drill”) but he deleted it after a couple days and apologized. He might have heard whispers about what was gonna follow.. Drake released two direct disses towards Kendrick: “Push Ups” where he makes fun of Kendrick’s shorter stature, and “Taylor Made Freestyle” where he uses an AI generated voice for 2Pac and Snoop Dogg in an attempt to goad Kendrick into responding. “Taylor Made Freestyle” generally was looked down on compared to “Push Ups” because it used 2Pac’s likeness without his estate’s consent (he later took it down at the request of 2Pac’s estate - a move that Drake later blames on Kendrick calling 2Pac’s estate and pressuring them to do so) So after Drake releases these two diss tracks, Kendrick responds with his first direct diss against Drake: Euphoria. In it, he claims (among other things) that Drake’s label, OVO, has snitches for Kendrick inside of it. Kendrick also criticizes Drake’s use of the n-word and how “the culture” doesn’t respect Drake. Kendrick follows this up with a song “6:16” where he doubles down on the claim that OVO has people feeding Kendrick information, and that Drake is wildly insecure Drake makes his response to Kendrick’s disses with one of his own in “Family Matters”. He makes a well-shot music video that shows Drake referencing several of Kendrick’s remarks, showing him that he’s not bothered by it at all. In this diss track, he claims that Kendrick is hiding a domestic abuse scandal and that one of his sons is not biologically Kendrick’s. He continues by claiming that Kendrick is racist towards light-skinned black people, and says that Kendrick is a hypocrite for how he raps about socially conscious ideals but doesn’t replicate them in real life Now so far, things are fairly standard, but it seems like it’s getting heated up. Drake is laying into Kendrick and Kendrick is unabashedly claiming he’s Drake’s biggest hater. The reason people are going crazy about tonight is because less than a half hour after Drake drops “Family Matters”, Kendrick releases a response (likely in large [or completely] recorded beforehand), titled “Meet the Grahams”. He addresses some of what Drake mentioned (like Ozempic, “lies” about Kendrick’s family, etc.) and publicly claims that Drake is a pedophile and a predator, and shelters predators in OVO. Kendrick also states that Drake has another (see: Story of Adonis) hidden child. The thumbnail for the diss track includes a picture of drake’s belongings, including a prescription for Ozempic under Drake’s legal name “Aubrey Graham” Today hip hop fans ate good because Kendrick dropped “6:16 in LA” this morning, Drake dropped “Family Matters” around 8:30 PST, and Kendrick immediately responded with a new diss track on top of that. Before you say “this is the short version?” Yes. Yes this is the short version. If you want the extended discussion, you have to listen to these tracks and read the lyrics on Genius to get the full context EDIT 1: NAH KENDRICK RELEASED **ANOTHER DISS TRACK** “Not Like Us” features a thumbnail of drake’s mansion with several sex offender registry symbols on it. In it he doubles down on pedophile accusations and parodies Drake’s style of making TikTok dance music.
Thank you for all that effort explaining this. I, too, had zero clue!
To go deeper in the lore, Drake hasn’t really ever come out and directly dissed Kendrick before but there’s been distaste sinc the Control verse. At the start of their careers Kendrick did this feature where he dissed everyone worth mentioning including Drake, it was sorta a victory lap for his first album and also a starting gun for his career. Drake is the only one who took it personally and talked about how he didn’t respect that Kendrick didn’t actually beef with him. Their next albums then were seen as basically competing. Then of all people Macklemore wins the Grammy and says it should have gone to Kendrick and Drake goes on this really pissy spree about how either Macklemore shouldn’t have apologized or he should’ve apologized to him too. It was clearly petty. All that is to say they’ve disliked each other for a decade and have been sorta seen as neck and neck for who the “best” is for different reasons. Now they’re finally putting their skills against each other directly. Except it is getting REALLY nasty. With Drake saying Kendrick is a cuckolded wife beater and Kendrick saying Drake is a predator on tier with Weinstein or Diddy.
Another main point of contention between the two of them which I haven't seen covered in the above posts is the usage of ghostwriters. Drake doesn't write his own raps while Kendrick does, and Kendrick makes references to Drake's "team" in his recently released tracks.
This is a point that he’s held for a long time. Kendrick has regularly mentioned his distaste for ghostwriters and teams in interviews, comments, and on King Kunta, one of his largest hits.
Didn’t Drake say that Keem wrote for Kendrick in his Family Matters response? Basically calling him a hypocrite. I’ve only listed to each song once so could be misremembering things.
It’s more a reference to people only liking him now with Keem as a feature on his songs is what I got out of it. I may be wrong
FWIW I agree that's probably more likely. Baby Keem was like 12-15 when Good Kid Maad City and To Pimp a Butterfly came out lol. Just seems that it would fall pretty flat as a diss if he weren't talking more about the state of Kendrick's recent career
This sounds more accurate because it was proven Kendrick has provided lyrics for Keem, not the other way around
Kendrick keeps mentioning that drake is constantly lying Keem is currently 23 years old Is drake trying to say that that keem has been ghostwriting since he was 12 years old?
But doesn't Kendrick write for Keem, not the other way around?
IMO the ghost writers and his creepy texts to younger actresses from Stranger Things to others marks Drake as popular but insecure and trying to fit into the rapper career as an outsider who doesn't respect or understand the insiders. But he's popular and overplayed so he feels like he's big when in a decade he won't be remembered past the scandals. The guy hasn't had a good track since collaborating with the Wii shop theme, but that's my opinion. Kendrick repeatedly changes the landscape with his releases while Drake makes basically pop drivel that won't matter in a week.
“I make music that electrify em. You make music that pacify em.”
On the first part, I've always heard that when Drake writes diss tracks, he usually punches down. He likes to diss smaller rappers and women who can't clap back and actually hurt his reputation. So for him to write diss tracks about Kendrick is kinda weird, like he's taking this very personally.
That’s definitely true, and famously the moment he started losing with Pusha T he squashed the beef. Meek Mill was somewhat the high point of his career because it was him going against someone who theoretically is more capable than him, in every way expect for commercial appeal which is how he won (that and Meek faceplanting in his reply). But to be fair, for the past several years of his career there has been no one above him. Anyone with a larger fan base or more respect or anything is basically retired. The closest to anyone larger than him he’s beefed with is Kanye and it was a Kanye who was already in a steep decline. Other people who could claim to be bigger or more capable than him, Beyoncé sure but he’s certainly not attacking her. Jay-Z maybe out of legacy, Eminem is basically just making music for his core fans and is also cool with Drake. Kendrick really is the *only* guy who is a bigger deal than Drake currently though for different reasons, Drake is the most commercially popular and Kendrick is critically respected. Oh and Taylor swift, drake said she was the only one he feared which tells you where his head is at. His Meagan disses highlighted he’s been seeking out fights with smaller artists and women for a minute. Also to your point, even in his back and forth with Kendrick his songs are full of filler attacking Rick Ross, ASAP, and Metro. Smaller artists and one isn’t even a rapper. Sure they dissed him but it’s like if in Batman vs Superman, one wasted time to smack Green Arrow.
To clarify about the Pusha T, did he squash it? I wasn’t to much into it but I thought Drake had J Prince step in and be like “oh this needs to stop because Drake’s diss would be to much and disrupt families” Or some shit like that. I think this beef is great because no one (except maybe Lil Wayne) can save him. Even then Wayne said a few years back that he told Drake to not start rapping like he’s gangster but Drake didn’t listen.
Drake knew about Ye's 20-year love for Adolf Hitler and the Nazis and was told not to use it as it would affect labels as a whole. No wonder why Kanye would say something like that on live broadcast. He wanted to control the narrative, and he has
> Oh and Taylor swift, drake said she was the only one he feared which tells you where his head is at. Is this not super reasonable though? 😂
No that’s the thing, he is totally right lol
Idk if I would say Em is cool with Drake, he had a couple disses on him in his Kamikaze album From “Fall”: “If you're gonna critique me, you better at least be as good or better Get Earl the Hooded Sweater, whatever his name is, To help you put together some words, more than just two letters The fans waited for this moment Like that feature when I stole the show Sorry if I took forever” This is Em coming at Drake for having ghost writers, I guess one of them is Earl Sweatshirt? Then he gives a dig at him saying that his verse on Forever overshadowed Drake on his own song. This is one of my favorite Em songs, he destroys everyone and the beat is so solid.
That wasn't about Drake, that was about Tyler, the Creator. More specifically it's about when Tyler tweeted that some of Em's work was ass. It's why Earl was mentioned, because Tyler and Earl are connected through Odd Future.
Control wasn’t a diss. If he mentioned you on control that meant you were worth mentioning.
And drake still got his panties in a bunch about it
His Control verse wasn’t a diss. That’s why no one took exception to it but drake. It’s well known Drake is sensitive and that’s why he’s the only one who took offense.
That’s fair, I’d say it is atleast a challenge tho. And it points to how petty Drake is that he took that challenge as a diss
Oh absolutely. It was 100% him just saying competition brings the best out of everyone and he wants to raise the bar
I still don't understand how Drake ever got any credit within the community. He is a little drama boy who acted a bit and makes pop songs. He is good at that but then he also tried to act like he is a G because he has bought himself a hareem of people that would throw down if needed. Not all Hip Hop needs to come from a lad who grew up in Compton and saw dead bodies as a boy, but I myself prefer when it comes from a lad or lass that grew up like me or many working class folk having fuck all. Drakes corney and should be treated as such
And Kendrick called drakes response to control out in the BET cypher. Something like; nothings been the same since I dropped control, and tucked a sensitive rapper back in his pyjama clothes. And made lots of comments in interviews like ‘no one that matters got upset about control’.
True. Everyone but Drake took it as either a compliment or just Kdot affirming himself as someone worthy to be “king”. Drake was in his feelings about it.
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There’s two fairly different fan bases. I’d say of the people watching the battle Kendrick is the fan favorite but Drake has the bigger fan base. Drake is a much bigger artist. He’s the commercial friendly artist. I don’t say this just to put him down, he was boundary breaking. He defied a lot of what hip hop needed to be and what mainstream needed to be and really made himself the man of the moment despite all odds. His misogyny is catching up to him now but in his art he was also for a minute seen as miles above the rap artist who was making music for women as well. He, like Kanye, also were leading figures showing you didn’t need to perform masculinity or hide your feelings to succeed. To use the outdated term he’s a radio play guy, streaming hits now I guess. His core fans are REALLY pulling for him in this as a few comments and messages have reminded me but a lot of his ‘fans’ are just casual pop listeners. Frat boys. As someone who was briefly in a frat, frat boys REALLY love his music. Kendrick is Obama’s favorite artist. That’s how loved and respected he is. He calls himself a prophet because he is treated with a level of just respect and admiration. Since DAMN he seems to have become disinterested in commercial success and is more focused on legacy music. His last album was an exploration of his own journey through mental health and identity issues, struggling with prejudices to over come and loss and hate and fame. He is, probably the most talented living person in this genre. His fan base is definitely smaller than drake, he basically disappeared for the pandemic while drake made tik tok dance hits. But he does have an advantage that there are a lot of non fans of the genre that just like to support whoever the correct or best or coolest person is. They can easily identify that as Kendrick so boom he’s their favorite. Sorta like if you didn’t listen to rock you could still be like, oh yeah Queen. What’s made this an interesting spectacle is until basically yesterday it’s been neck and neck even in public’s perception. But now, it’s gotten super dark. Pretty much everyone agrees how does drake come back from this but he still has defenders. As for them both being horrible people. It really depends how much is true. Personally I think Drake is atleast a douche and an opportunist. Almost certainly a deadbeat Dad and, well the sex criminal thing who knows. Kendrick being a domestic abuser I don’t totally believe but it’s possible and he needs to address it. Idk I think the worst you can say about Kendrick if that stuff ISNT true is that he’s a hypocritical preachy hotep adjacent arrogant dude, but one who does self work and makes amazing art.
another important detail for me is that the cover art for 6:16 is a picture of a glove with something in the background. Then for Meet the Grahams the cover art is from the same picture, just zoomed way out and now instead of just a glove you can see a bunch of items (including the same glove, prescriptions for Zolpidem and Oezempic, jewelry receipts) supposedly taken from a suitcase that was lost by / stolen from from Drake’s dad. Implication is that Kendrick had both tracks ready at the same time because (as he claims in 6:16) there are people in Drake’s camp “working for Kendrick” because people in Drake’s own camp want him to get what he deserves
Something else about “6:16 in LA” I found interesting: Drake claimed that Kendrick would need to drop a “quadruple entendre” or something like that to impress him “6:16 in LA” has several layers: Drake’s timestamp series follows this same format (time: in place) “Euphoria,” the title of Kendrick’s previous diss, is the name of the TV series of which Drake is a producer, which premiered on June 16, 2019 June 16 this year is Father’s Day June 16, 1994 is the date the OJ Simpson trial began in LA - likely the reason for the black glove on the cover June 16 is 2Pac’s birthday In addition, “6:16 in LA” was co-written and co-produced by Jack Antonoff, who is known for working with Taylor Swift. In a way, this makes this diss literally “Taylor Made.”
This dude Jack Antenoff really has his hands in everything (as I’m listening to Bleachers live show from a bus)
AJR, FUN, Bleachers, Lena Dunham… 3 outta 4 ain’t bad
Also, apparently every 6:16 verse in the Bible goes hard. I saw like 6 of them getting thrown around in other threads.
Kendrick had grown men reading the Bible to decipher a diss. He’s officially goated for that one
Motherfucker is G-Anon, got people going DiVinci code.
Proverbs goes hard, but also Corinth There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, 19 a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.
I knew there was an OJ angle to focusing on the glove! I just didn’t know enough technical details about the trial to put it together. That’s clever as fuck. I mean, the whole thing is clever. But Kendrick is just different. Dude is letting it known you don’t fuck with him.
That’s 6 I’m counting right there Jesus
You’re forgetting that 06/16 is Tupacs birthday and it’s Father’s Day, where Kendrick has been taking shots at Drake about being a deadbeat dad
Stolen from his dad? But had his prescriptions in it?? 🧐
Right? I feel capable of explaining this to others now, and I had zero idea of what was happening a few minutes ago!
Reddit: We put the Dunning in your Kruger
I am now imagining you as a 60 year old white woman.
In the grand scheme of things, you're not too far off.
This is the best day ever.
My Twitter feed got flooded with people saying Drake got atomized. Not knowing anything about Kendrick or Drake I opened up Meet the Grahams to see if I could make sense of it and. Jesus. **CHRIST**
Oh my god. I also listened after reading this comment. God daaaaaaaaamn.
“It can’t be that ba — what the fuck”
There’s a genius annotation on there on the “I hope you die line” that is only “Jesus Christ”. I feel like that sums up the song perfectly lol
The most shocking part (outside of the allegations) was that he just came out and said all that for me lmao, usually rappers don’t go there or only vaguely insinuate death
My favorite is in the newest diss (Not Like Us), he just straight up calls him a pedophile. Not beating around the bush anymore, he’s going right for it
Man I don't usually listen to rap but you all got me intrigued. Still on the verse starting with "dear Dennis" and I had to stop and come back. Almost doesn't even feel like music anymore it's just saying some shit he needs to get off his chest and it happens to have a beat behind it. EDIT: I don't even know what to say. That was just wow. I thought the earlier verse was heavy and it just goes and goes. The emotion in it is just insane.
I've been hearing about the beef and knew about the drama in passing but had no interest in listening to any of the actual tracks. Usually try to avoid this kind of thing. Then I saw people losing their minds over Meet the Grahams even on a sub not normally about rap beef at all. Casually gave it a listen and *god I was NOT READY*
Gave it a listen just now.... Hot shit
Don’t go looking into 90s rap beefs… Eminems diss toward Benzino was unhinged.
I just caught up (I heard Euphoria and thought that was the most recent release). Man, Kendrick put Drake in the fucking GROUND with [Meet the Grahams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gff1KDXWKyo). I have been dying for someone to officially address Drake’s behavior and I woulda never thought it would be Kendrick. Now I love Kenny even more. Man didn’t hold back!! 🙌🏼 Edit: HOLY SHIT ANOTHER ONE [Not Like Us](https://youtu.be/T6eK-2OQtew) Kendrick keeps piling the dirt on Drake’s casket. What a time to be alive
Goddamn, that was brutal, Kendrick has Drakes head on a silver platter now.
Um, Kendrick literally just dropped again, a few minutes ago. If you wanna be even more flabbergasted, go check out Not Like Us. Kendrick HATES that cornball and I love it.
Still waiting for Drake's response but yeah, he's probably dead Punching the air right now
It's just about the most scathing piece of media I've ever seen.
Meet the Grahams goes hard but I don't think anything will ever top The Story of Adidon. Its all old news now but when it came out it hit Drake so hard he didn't even clap back, he basically just did a press release saying he'd be a father to his son. Kendrick's is a little long winded where Pusha killed Drake in a minute thirty seconds. Also we are gunna need proof of the hidden daughter or that's kinda a miss. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5G59qJQp7I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5G59qJQp7I)
Between the blackface photo on the track cover and Pusha T making a jokes about Drake's best friend dying from MS it is almost impossible to top.
I thought the 40 line was really fucked up until I found out 40 was the one who leaked Adonis. For such a short track that shit had layersssss
As someone who thinks adonis is a 10/10, Meet the Grahams is worse I mean this dude straight up called you a pedophile who hides sex offenders on your payroll and runs a whorehouse out of your own mansion to traffic women Forget the daughter thing (if that's true then this is even worse) but I feel like people keep harping on that while glossing over the whole "you are a sex trafficker whose house is about to get raided" part
He said he wanted Drake to die like that’s pretty hard but he tops it literally a moment later “Adonis I’m sorry that that man is your father” like Jesus Christ himself would roll in his grave
Yeah, Meet the Grahams is absolutely more brutal than Adidon. Adidon had more shock value, though. But MtG is some truly diabolical stuff.
I agree. Adidon was great but mainly focused on Drake being an absentee father. Grahams is deeper, darker and more sinister. Kendrick deconstructs Drake's entire family tree blaming them for the way he is and the way his son will end up being.
The sex offender on the payroll has receipts, but the sex traffic house is also pretty much unverified at this point. Not that I don't believe it's something Drake would do, I just think it's easy for Drake to deflect, whereas he had literally no answer for Adidon and it ended up costing him all the money from the adidas deal it killed.
> but the sex traffic house is also pretty much unverified at this point There's that tiktok from 2021 of the girl saying Drake pays his team to go out and fetch him women in all different cities as well as Drake having a line in a song about it too "All good, Chubbs'll look around find one that seem my type, that my dawg and he know what I like, he done found me plenty in my life" I agree there is no hard proof at this point but there's definitely bread crumbs there
The internet already found the alleged daughter and what's crazy is that she was name checked in the verse if you know her name, which I'm not disclosing since it's a kid who didn't ask to be part of this beef
Nah the press release was about trying to recontextualize the blackface photos. He spent 4 more months denying that Adonis was his son
That track feels dangerous.
If feels like something nobody was ever meant to hear. I saw a meme earlier that said "this beef is starting to feel like none of my business." Just a week ago, when Push Ups & Taylor Made were the most recent songs to have dropped, this whole thing still felt exciting & fun. But with each new song, it feels darker and more sinister
That track made me feel so *uneasy*. The sinister piano, Kendrick like a soft spoken sadist, the beat...I felt like going under my duvet and sleeping with all the lights on
Oh my god. And there’s another that just came out after Meet the Grahams. “Trying to strike a chord and it’s probably A Minorrrrrrr.” No joke, spouse and I open mouth gaped at each other at that line. Brutal.
When you open a diss track talking directly to the man’s kid, mother, and father and it only gets worse from there, that’s a master diss track.
I don't like either of their stuff, but that song was well done. Actually liked it. That said, it better all be true for Kendrick sake... it crosses the line of dissing and stomps hard on accusing him of multiple crimes and could be defamatory if it's false, opening it up to a lawsuit. If it is true, feel like drake should just end his career now, call it quits before he gets p diddlered
It's 2.40am and I'm feeding my baby and I'm so mad I can't hear it rn 😭
You should do a full write up in r/hobbydrama
Oh damn I just might lol
yessss please do!!
I’m honestly gonna wait until the dust clears to make a post because anything I make with inevitably be outdated in a couple days..shit, a couple hours the rate this is going 😭
I think r/hobbydrama rules state the drama has to be 'done' after a minimum of 3 weeks or it'll get removed. So you definitely will want to wait for a while on that one.
I don't understand why drake had to use snoop doggs AI Voice? He's still alive. Did he have his consent?
Snoop didn’t give a fuck about Drake using his likeness, but he probably didn’t want to be included in the feud at all. It’s possible Drake asked him and he said no, which would make sense since Snoop isn’t about the beef anymore at this stage in his life. But it’s also possible Drake never wanted him to feature.
He gave a bit of a fuck. He posted something on his story but he didn't want to get too involved.
He posted him laughing and said “I’m going back to sleep” I don’t think he gave any fucks
I just...can we all just sit here and appreciate Snoop Dogg for a minute
Can we appreciate Snoop Dogg for longer than a minute?
There's a video of him [listening to "Let It Go"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TroWnwMZvPg) that's just so pure.
> Snoop didn’t give a fuck about Drake using his likeness This seems wild. Did he actually say this.
He shared the track positively on his IG. He seems to be in the not really caring phase of his career. He’s famously one of the musicians who will do any feature if you pay his fee which is why he shows up in a lot of indie or kpop songs
also known as the John Carpenter school of 'I've already done my creative work. fuck you, pay me'
He did reply to Euphoria and say "at least I didn't get used as AI in this one"
Plus surely Snoop is closer with Kendrick. Edit: I had to check since I'm not American, I knew they're both from a similar spot of LA but Long Beach to Compton is like 10 miles.
that’s probably why Drake used his voice, to piss Kendrick off
Oh true using Tupac especially considering TPAB
This doesn’t mean they are friends. A large percentage of the American population lives in LA. They aren’t all friends.
Snoop would’ve done it for enough money, he’d do fucking anything
Absolutely. He openly supports Trump and Cosby. Fucker has no morals whatsoever
Wut
Snoop had a front row seat to the Big and 2pac show
[Snoop has also been close with Kendrick for a long time](https://youtu.be/wiNjKh3IDGc?si=mQUR8925e41FehJ6) On Hood Politics (TPAB) Kendrick says “I'm the only n**** next to Snoop that can push the button”
snoop wouldn’t diss kendrick
Snoop posted a video in response to him being used via AI and he basically dismissed the hype around it. Very unexpected.
Uhh, no talent, only famous cuz Disney channel, has ghost writers for everything... Hell no he didn't have consent that's why he took it down. Imagine the guy that some lost souls call the goat using AI to rap.
God's plan was his Mr beast moment, almost beating Taylor Swift's record if she hadn't returned to music
This isn’t necessarily true, Kendrick dropped Control in 2013 challenging his peers to just rap better, Drake went on a subsequent press tour on multiple platforms belittling Kendrick and what he said on Control that’s what started the issues
The mad thing is it wasn't even a kendrick track but just a feature, completely took over that track though
Nor was Renegade (or more recently, Like That). Like That is my favourite because Future audibly gives up on his verse after Kendrick's.
Renegade being a Jay Z song but ending up on Eminem’s greatest hits album is forever WILD to me
True but a large part of Eminem’s verses, maybe all I don’t remember, were already in a song with Royce da 5’9” called Renegade so it might be more of an Eminem song anyway.
Just listened to it, that’s crazy. It’s like GG in his own song lol
>Kendrick dropped Control in 2013 challenging his peers to just rap better Here I would have thought Rigamortis did that well enough in 2011 looool
Drake insecurity is a know fact after he himself decided to reveal how he dm a music critic Anthony Fantano, being mad about the score of one's of Drake albums. If a YouTube video made Drake feel that way imagine how he is feeling about being called by Kendrick.
That was the funniest shit ever, Fantano didn't even have to say anything back, for everyone to see just how insecure Drake is. That cake recipe was good though.
"Your existence is a light 1" will never not make me laugh. Cringe response from a huge multimillionaire superstar artist.
Definitely cringe, and not what I would call good, but legitimately pretty funny lol
The fucking you tuber? I remember him talking about the beef in a recent interview and he notes drake sent him a bunch of shit.
It was even better because Fantano put up a shit post pretending Drake sent him a vegan cookie recipe (Fantano's vegan). People just thought it was just Fantano messing around until Drake put up the screenshots to show he actually messaged him a load of insults. Drake even mentioned Fantano's wife (maybe ex wife now?) being black as well. If Drake hadn't shown the screenshots, no one would have known he sent the messages.
It was so f****** funny that fantano took the high road and then Drake outed himself! Too ridiculous not to be real.
I’m doing a PowerPoint for the squad and will be citing this, thank you
Make sure to include those effects that make the text spin into place from out of the frame
Will you be sharing said PowerPoint?
Ayyy hmu with the presentation when it’s done lol
Will do lol. Working title: The Culture v. Aubrey Graham
This is a pretty good summary. Only thing I might add is that he isn't saying it's just Drake, he's saying that there are other artists in the music industry whose careers are used as a cover to pull victims in for predation /trafficking
*cough* Diddy *cough*
Literally referenced Diddy when he said Drake was gonna get raided next. >The Embassy ’bout to get raided, too, it’s only a matter of time Drake calls his mansion “the Embassy”.
He’s probably 100% right
It's like that in the whole Hollywood and music industry how is that surprising
Kinda accurate, one sticking point for me is that Drake has been sneak dissing Kendrick for years, so that 'Drake hasn't really said much about Kendrick' line isn't true. He has been going off like a bitter ex for almost a decade.
I'll add that Cole referred to himself as Ali which is where this new drama all began. He is basically saying that he is the king.
Drakes real name is Aubrey 💀 why does that fit so well
Drake the type to have a first name of “Aubrey”
He‘ll always be the crippled kid from that weird Canadian teen drama to me.
Good quick summary but even this short response is wayyy too short, there's so much to unpack. People like myself who have been waiting for this for over a decade have been absolutely feasting since Like That dropped.
Yeah I went for the simplest explanation possible or it was gonna be several Reddit comments that I just didn’t want to type out
Some additional context to the claims that Drake is a pedophile/predator, as well as the statement that he has “another hidden child”: Drake has a history of personally communicating with young, underaged women. Prominent examples include music artist Billie Eilish, actress Millie Bobby Brown, and model Bella Harris. Because of this, rumours that Drake is a child groomer have been floating around the Internet. However, it should be noted that the rumours have had little to no credence until now: the prominent examples have all denied wrongdoing by Drake, and publicly there is no evidence to indicate that Drake has been seriously accused of wrongdoing (i.e. public civil legal cases or criminal cases). At most, until now, there was an old YouTube video of 23 y/o Drake making inappropriate sexual remarks about a 17 y/o girl (whom he knew was underage) during a concert. However, the video is old, and although highly problematic — it alone does not establish a pattern of predatory behaviour. Lamar’s accusations have added huge fuel to the fire of these rumours because he is famous (making his accusations highly visible), he is in the field (meaning that he is, theoretically, credible because he is likely privy to behind-the-scenes information), and he has accused Drake of covering up evidence (which explains why no evidence of Drake’s misconduct exists). As for the diss of “having another hidden child”, Drake has a son named Adonis. When news outlets initially discovered that Drake may have been Adonis’ father, he publicly denied this claim at first before eventually confirming that he was indeed Adonis’ father. The accusation that Drake has another child that he is hiding is not completely unfounded, as he previously did so with Adonis. Edit: Some people have brought up some contradictions that I would like to address. On the point of Millie Bobby Brown: is the situation highly disturbing? Yes. Has Brown accused Drake of wrongdoing? No. While both parties have confirmed that they have had contact in ways most would consider highly concerning (Drake regularly communicating with Brown when he was 14, they have apparently stayed in hotel rooms together, etc.), the fact remains Brown has not accused Drake **of wrongdoing** or mentioned doing things with Drake that are explicitly illicit (i.e. sexual contact, sexting, etc.). To this day, Brown has maintained that there was nothing wrong about her relationship with Drake. Drake settled a sexual assault lawsuit in 2019. However, settling **DOES NOT** equal guilt. Lawsuits are incredibly expensive and time-consuming, and it’s not uncommon for rich people to settle and make a payment rather than going through the effort of an entire lawsuit. As this lawsuit was kept largely private, we have no idea what sort of evidence was used to support the accusation of sexual assault. Also, for the record, I think that the rumours are probably true and that Drake has probably done some seriously bad shit that he covered up with his money and fame. However, unlike other famous predators (Weinstein, Epstein, Louis C.K, Bill Cosby, etc.) there currently isn’t much **publicly available** evidence attesting to this.
He doesn’t just make sexual remarks against a 17 year old all on video on YouTube, he fondles her and kisses her neck *BEFORE* asking her age and when he finds out she’s 17, he says he can’t go to jail yet and “why do you look like that? You’re thick” as he then talks about her breasts and kisses her on the cheek.
Hard disagree that there was no credence before now. The Millie Bobby Brown thing (inarguably the worst rumor) was never a rumor as it was literally openly confirmed by both parties. And the incident with him booking out a stadium for a girl's 18th birthday (whom he had been talking to since she was 15/16) was on camera.
Was gonna say the same about the Millie bobby brown thing. She was all like “ya we’re great friends snd meet up at hotels whenever we’re in the same town”. Like why is an old rich dude meeting with children alone in hotels at all. Especially one as rich and influential as drake that probably should Have better things to so.
She admitted in a red carpet interview when she was 13 and Drake was like 30 that he texts her all the time and when the interviewer asked what they talk about she said they talk about boys together and he gives her advice
I mean groomers always tell their “special friends” what to say when people ask.
Didn't Drake also have to pay a 500k settlement for sexually assaulting a woman? Pretty sure k. Dot put that out there as well
Drakes a piece of shit
Such a good response adding additional context. Bravo. I have a personal feeling that Drake is so entrenched in the industry that even famous actresses like Millie Bobby Brown and singer-songwriter Billie Eilish wouldn’t speak against him so publicly as Kendrick has done.
You know why Drake likes Millie Bobby Brown? Because she will always be Eleven.
He also paid out $500k to settle a sexual assault lawsuit. There's a lot of credence.
Also this tweet from way back. https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/acx2vy/stranger_tings/#lightbox “If amazing was a young bitch, I’d be going to jail… cause I’m fucking amazing”.
I'd actually read about it this feud first on BBC News. Thanks for going into more detail!
Genius links, in order - Drake “First Person Shooter” https://genius.com/Drake-first-person-shooter-lyrics https://youtu.be/Xty2gi5cMa8?feature=shared - Kendrick "Like That" https://genius.com/Future-metro-boomin-and-kendrick-lamar-like-that-lyrics https://youtu.be/N9bKBAA22Go - J. Cole "Seven minute drill" https://genius.com/J-cole-7-minute-drill-lyrics https://youtu.be/MX6Y2KGjO-Q?feature=shared - Drake "push ups" https://genius.com/Drake-push-ups-lyrics https://youtu.be/DMvaSqDnHl8 - Drake "Taylor made freestyle" https://genius.com/Drake-taylor-made-freestyle-lyrics https://youtu.be/MM0J1szDoPM - Kendrick "euphoria" https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-euphoria-lyrics https://youtu.be/_sJ79aDQTeQ - Kendrick "6:16 in la" https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-6-16-in-la-lyrics https://youtu.be/MabjUIUj6uo - Drake "family matters" https://genius.com/Drake-family-matters-lyrics https://youtu.be/q0nZthU1QdE - Kendrick "meet the grahams" https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-meet-the-grahams-lyrics https://youtu.be/Gff1KDXWKyo - Kendrick "not like us" https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-not-like-us-lyrics https://youtu.be/T6eK-2OQtew?si=p2ezcTEK2HL9uLVZ - Drake "the heart part 6" https://genius.com/Drake-the-heart-part-6-lyrics https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HJeY-FXidDQ&feature=youtu.be Whew that was hard to type on a phone
2024 had been a wild ass year for rap beef and were not even halfway through. Meg & Nicki, Kendrick and Drake, Chris Brown and Quavo. Can’t wait to see what happens next!
Rikishi dropped a Hulk Hogan diss track yesterday as well which is... yeah, that happened.
This is the best “short version” I’ve heard yet. Gets at all the big points without getting lost in the millions of details.
Now I want the long version
What happens to the loser of a public feud like this? And is cole bowed out on this back and forth?
It depends. Sometimes the loser just quietly sinks into the background, sometimes they just ignore it, sometimes they uh…stab or shoot someone over it. Typically though they stay quiet and it blows over after a few years, though their legacy is tainted from it
In the past careers have ended. With Drake being so big nothing much will probably happen.
J Cole released his own diss. Than 2 days later apologized to Kendrick so yeah he’s out.
Where can I listen to all of these Kendrick tracks? I saw euphoria and Meet the Grahams on his YouTube but what about the other ones you mentioned?
In order: [First Person Shooter - Drake, J Cole](https://youtu.be/Xty2gi5cMa8) [Like That - Kendrick Lamar, Future](https://youtu.be/N9bKBAA22Go) [Push Ups - Drake](https://youtu.be/DMvaSqDnHl8) <- this is the first actual diss track in this list; all that follows are diss tracks [Taylor Made Freestyle - Drake](https://youtu.be/MM0J1szDoPM) [Euphoria - Kendrick Lamar](https://youtu.be/_sJ79aDQTeQ) [6:16 in LA - Kendrick Lamar](https://youtu.be/MabjUIUj6uo) [Family Matters - Drake](https://youtu.be/q0nZthU1QdE) [Meet the Grahams - Kendrick Lamar](https://youtu.be/Gff1KDXWKyo) [Not Like Us - Kendrick Lamar](https://youtu.be/T6eK-2OQtew) <- HOLY SHIT KENNY DROPPED ANOTHER ONE 🤯
Missing the Future/Kendrick song.
Oops! Added!
Might as well add First Person Shooter as well since it was what kicked off this whole thing.
Seriously, thanks for the list. I’ve been meaning to listen but was too lazy to lookup the order they came out, then find the songs, etc.
Make sure you listed to Family Matters too it gives meet the Grahams context
Genuinely appreciate this recap mate. Happy shit posting and I hope you eat well.
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There’s far too many lines and far too many songs to explain them all in a few Reddit comments. I promise Genius has excellent annotations to the lyrics for any songs I listed. I will say that a huge theme of the beef is centered around Adonis (Drake’s son), who Drake did not claim as his until Pusha-T released “Story of Adidon” in 2018. (That whole beef was wild too, look into it). Another consistent theme is Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers, Kendrick’s most recent album. Heavily recommend you give that a listen if you want **full** context behind some of these bars. There’s a lot of disses directed at Drake’s inappropriate behavior towards minors so you can Google some of that if you’re interested. There’s also a lot about Drake being Canadian (which is true) and how he was a child actor (also true). Kendrick’s infidelity comes up but, again, Mr. Morale includes Kendrick confessing and facing up to that.
>Pusha-T released “Story of Adidon” in 2018. (That whole beef was wild too, look into it). I'm not hugely familiar but I assumed that was gonna end Drake's career back then
Drake is, for better or worse, just much more popular than the other characters in this story. Kendrick and Cole and Pusha are rappers you know if you're into rap, but you know Drake if you're aware of popular music at all. Even if everybody who listened to Adidon stopped liking Drake it probably wouldn't meaningfully hurt his sales.
Good point. I'm not a big rap guy (I mean I think Good Kid MAAD City and To Pimp a Butterfly are 10/10s) but yeah I'm definitely coming at all of this from a particular non American very white angle lol
It would take days. Just look at how people have broken down the song titles alone. Apparently there are like 7 different references just in the title '6:16 in LA'. To give you an indication of some of the layers involved, in that track Kendrick sampled Al Green. But it's a track that Drakes uncle played guitar on many years ago. Shit is calculated as heck.
Thanks for writing this up, Meet the Grahams is insane on its own, but I just went through everything you just wrote up and once you hear it again within context, everything that led up to it, it’s just fucking crazy.
Thank you
thank you. Like I knew the general gist was that they were beefing, I just have grown over the years to not give a single shit about celebrities that I didn’t care to understand the nuance. But your post was informative and engaging. Cheers.
I also don't give a damn about celebrity beefs. But I feel it's different with Kendrick. Kendrick, despite being a sort of celebrity, avoids celebrity attention and he is very real. For this reason I think that his disses also seem very real, not just manufactured for celebrity attention. What do I mean when I say Kendrick is "real?" He's a real artist. He seems to care about his art as a body of work at least as much as he cares about sales. If he was not a rapper, I think he would write novels or make films or some other form of art. But Drake is a phony entertainer who performs pieces that are written by someone else. Kendrick is real in the sense that he grew up with poor parents in Compton. Everyone knows that his friends and family are bloods or blood affiliated. Not a soft upbringing. But he's a smart kid who got A's in high school and focused on a music career, instead of gandbanging. His music is about the struggles and interior conflicts that come with this existence. In contrast Drake is mostly a privileged phony who is play acting. And Kendrick doesn't get called out, and he doesn't diss people, not the way other rappers do. In this context it feels like more than a rap beef. It feels personal enough that the real one (Kendrick) is not holding back. He's just attacking someone who he has a lot of distain for, and the hate feels real not manufactured. This is thrilling for a lot of music fans.
And the long version??! 😂
So it seems like Drake started firing shots at Kendrick and in response Kendrick brought out the tactical nukes
You missed that Kendrick basically predicted Drakes approach on 6:16
What's the context for the Ozempic thing?
Rick Ross, another rapper beefing with Drake is notably overweight. Ozempic is diabetes medication that also turns out to be a really effective weight loss drug. On “Family Matters,” which Drake dropped last night. He has a couple lines clowning Rick Ross for allegedly taking it. Literally a couple minutes later Kendrick’s “meet the grahams” drops, in which Kendrick basically exposes Drake for taking Ozempic. With photo proof and all. Tons of lines center around Drake being phony, having substance abuse issues and taking shortcuts for appearances. Notably surgery on his abs, a nose job and the aforementioned taking of Ozempic to help with weight loss.
I knew things superficially but now I know a lot, thank you!
Euphoria ends with "if you take it there, I'm taking it further. Psst... That's something you don't want to do" Then, Not Like Us opens with "psst... I see dead people" Fucking iconic.
Kendrick was like South Park on election night
Amazing summary!
Bro you need to update this! Kendrick just dropped a *fourth^ diss track with arguably the craziest stuff yet aimed at Drake.
Just did 😭 Bruh it’s just gonna be a living document and I’m responsible for updating it 😭😭
Good summary, thank you - I felt fairly caught up until today with all the new stuff and ozempic discussion.
Ty
I’m intrigued. In what order should i listen to these tracks? Edit: I just went and listened to them in the following order: - Push Ups - Drake - Euphoria - Kendrick - 6:16 in LA - Kendrick - Family Matters - Drake - Meet The Grahams - Kendrick I like Drakes cadence and delivery and his rapping is more of what i would listen to when i was a teen but goddamn Kendrick was saying some heavy shit lmao. The man wasn’t even rapping - he was doing a therapy session in Meet The Grahams. I honestly can’t say who is getting the better of it since i’m OOTL on what they’re rapping about but even so, you can tell Kendrick is hitting Drake with some hard stuff.
From what I heard in all the drama popping up; -it was actually within 10 minutes that Meet the Grahams dropped after Family Matters -Meet the Grahams has references/responses to what was said in Family Matters -people are inferring that the image used was taken by somebody close enough to drake to do so. The shirt, the ozempic prescript, the pill bottles, the receipt was from something (a ring?) Bought in the latest music video, etc.
This 47-minute video goes year by year of the history between Drake and Kendrick by [What’s The Dirt](https://youtu.be/2hjA_L7yjfY?si=IEWV4MLsfLnubDJ8). Kendrick Lamar linked up with Drake on the Club Paradise Tour in 2012. Kendrick challenged rappers on Big Sean’s Control. Both Drake and Kendrick has been subliminally dropping diss to each for the past decade and then it brewed up to this. That video had a really great explanation of the beef
Oh my god this is the short version ?! 😭😭 Anyway drake is a nonce