Yep, and she completely unapologetic about it, even Reaper shows some manner of remorse, but mostly hatred for his current condition(Honestly, he is kinda like Darth Vader in that sense), Moira on the other hand just wants to see how far she can take her experiments, the only border she is unwilling to cross \*yet\* is something taking her own life.
> the only border she is unwilling to cross ‘yet’ is something taking her own life.
This voice line would beg to differ.
**Lifeweaver:** What is your fascination with artificial decay?
**Moira:** To reverse entropy, we must tame it.
**Lifeweaver:** But inflicting it on yourself? You're withering away!
**Moira:** I've always thrived under a deadline.
kinda, but not exactly. the concrete facts we know about moira after overwatch are:
1. she disappeared following the venice incident because her employment status went public
2. moira is responsible for widowmaker’s slowed heart rate, blue skin, and emotionless conditioning (seen in her comic where she shoots out ana’s eye) however, she had nothing to do with her initial kidnapping/brainwashing or the death of her husband.
3. when reaper was left for dead by soldier76 during the explosion at the swiss HQ, it was moira who saved him by worsening his reaper condition. (it’s unclear if moira found him or if gabe went to her)
4. moira was invited to join the oasis collective. the collective funds her research, but is also used as a cover so the world doesn’t know her as a talon geneticist.
5. by the time doomfist got out of jail, both moira and reaper had positions in the inner council of talon.
I honestly don’t think overwatch has any truly evil villains. i think it adds a lot of character complexity.
My favorite Moira voiceline is that one conversation with Junkrat.
J "You looking for a lab assistant? I'm great with chemicals!"
M "Certainly. We would begin by testing your tolerance for *pain*."
J "W-what does pain have to do with science?"
M "*Everything,* my strange little friend."
So yeah, Moira is definitely number one. Doomfist is a big kind of evil with his 'evolution through global conflict' plan, but Moira's deliberately going out of her way to use the geneva convention as a checklist.
I’d say moira is more evil than doom fist. Doomfist is evil, wanting to cause wars to strengthen humanity. The motive is somewhat understandable, we can assume he gets the idea as during the omnic crisis humanity banded together like never before. In one comic retells his character trailer where he breaks out of prison. He return to Talon to find that the organisation was, in his eyes, reduced to a criminal organisation doing things for money. But like you said he believes talon is better than that, he fully and genuinely believes the ends justify the means. But talon being just another criminal organisation goes against doomfist’s believes. So he kills the guy who’s been running it and moves talon along the path he needs to achieve his goal which he believes to be the right thing to humanity. Doomfist is not a good person obviously. But in some ways he is a man of honour. Reaper actually willingly joined him before his mind was completely scrambled, when he was aware his edgy serial killer stuff was bad and should be avoided. In fact this started when reaper was still a part of overwatch, being convinced by doomfist that doing things by the book isn’t actually the way to go. Which is probably what set him off to kill the talon operative in Retribution. Which lead to the ‘civil war’, which lead to him being ‘fixed’ by Moira and becoming the reaper. Reaper believes he is doing the right thing aswell, even if he knows that’s he himself has become a monster. We see this in the ‘code of violence’ short story.
Moira on the other hand, in the very same short story is described by reaper as actively enjoying experimenting on the weak and vulnerable, like an unconscious wounded Gabriel Reyes. She presumably does it enough for reaper to acknowledge it as a characteristic. She is also a manipulator down to her core, it’s why I personally enjoy her as a villain. She has everyone in the palm of her hand and likes to establish that superiority. Talking down on reaper and widow, both reluctantly obliging to her. And even talking back to doomfist himself. She claims her work is to improve humanity aswell, even against mercy which leads me to believe she believes it but…how? We know doomfist’s motivations. We know reaper’s and widow’s clear as day aswell. But how does moira help. She’s a genius in many ways which makes her use to talon obvious but we don’t know anything about her actual experiments and how it helps humans, is it a quest for immortality? Making human weapons? I do not believe at all that she actively wants help human kind by healing their wounds like mercy does. In her words ‘humanity is shackled, I will find the key’, what does it mean? Whatever it means, it doesn’t seem to be about bettering the world if you ask me. just going beyond the limits. Her experiments are shoving people full of drugs to see what happens. Exposing them to torture, possibly fates worse than death if reaper is actually in agony every second of his life. And she doesn’t even care let alone attempt to help him. no remorse or mercy. That is way more evil than doom if you ask me.
She wants knowledge for knowledges sake, and has no need for any bothersome "ethics". She makes "abominations", probably does highly immoral gene editing, creating chimeras, all kinds of shit. Probably wants to turn human beings into ubermensch, immortal, or otherwise superior to regular people. But she doesn't care if any of her experiments are willing test subjects. She's just a Sociopath and a geneticist.
Yeah she's like up there with real life Nazi scientists, Japanese responsible for Unit 731, and Khmer Rouge experiments, etc. Easily the most evil in the Overwatch universe imo.
She reminds me of Dr. Hojo from Final Fantasy 7, and he's the mostevil motherfucker in the game, even more evil than Sephiroth, and it's scary because he doesn't always act evil, infact throught the FF7 compilation he's even helped heros a little along the way, but his actions, experiments and thirst fir scientific breakthroughs make him evil, same like Moira
In addition to the Talon folks, I think Roadhog is actually pretty evil. His description is a killer with a reputation for cruelty and wanton destruction. Obviously Junkrat also commits the same crimes, but with Roadhog it seems less like he’s a lunatic and more like a selfish bastard. Even Doom or Moira has at least some justification or “good” for their motives, for Roadhog after the apocalypse he just lost any humanity he had
I think it's hard to classify Road and Junk as evil, because they're stuck in a post-Omnic Australia where everyone left is genuinely evil, and they're trying to survive without giving in too dearly to the system left behind.
TLDR Road and Junk are making do in a really shit situation, and while they do undeniably bad things, there's cause to suggest it may be necessary in some regards.
I don't think Hog is that evil. Sure, he is a criminal but the world kinda forced him to commit cromes to survive. He doesn't look to evil based on in game voicelines and interactions as well
Doom - he is trying to start a major conflict to make people stronger
Hamster - did stuff which made it illegal for him to be within 150 yards of a school
Reaper - for who he says he will see in hell
He just wanted their stuff, he doesn't crave death. Just destruction and money. He could probably go straight and build a demolition company and be just as fulfilled.
A lot of people are saying Doom, which is fair, but I'd also like to argue Mauga. He's not causing any world wars, but he also just kinda kills and steals for the fun of it. Doom at least believes he's doing good, Mauga murders because he can
Yeah i was going to say the same thing. Dude is a complete psycho, he doesn’t give two shits about Talons beliefs he’s just there to kill and have fun.
The thing that really made me seem him as one of the most evil characters of the game is a voice line between him and Baptiste where Baptiste talks about basically being mentally scarred/ having alot of regret about the shit they did in the past while Mauga asks why he had to grow a conscience
At first glance Mauga seems like a Charismatic goofball(he still kind of is one) when in reality he is a bloodthirsty war machine who’s excited to shred people into pieces with his dual miniguns
Id still argue moira over mauga
Moira has a conscience yet she still performs these horrid experiments, and im pretty sure she even shits on other characters for having morals
That is true but she also believes she is doing the right thing in one of her voice lines someone ( I forgot who) asks her about her arm meaning that she experimented even on herself to better understand how to stop what was happening to her and reaper
yeah she sees her work ultimately as good
for humanity because she’s advancing research, doing things that could potentially save or “enhance” lives. the ethics of work are very, very debatable at best though
Moira strikes me as the type of person who knows they are twisted, so they make use of that twistedness to do what others wouldn't.
One of the lines that really hit home with that.
Mercy: I'd rather wait a century for progress than cause the harm you have.
Moira: What a joy it must be... to feel entitled to patience.
I love the dripping disdain Moira’s VA puts into lines like that one. Definitely gives the sense that she’s so sick of everyone else being too short sighted to understand the goals she works for. Makes her understandable as someone thinking the ends will justify all the means, rather than just doing evil science for the fun of it.
Her voicelines constantly shit on everyone about what she does, it's wild. Telling Junkrat she'd inflict pain for basically 'the BEST reasons', saying she happily experiments on 'cute little rabbits' etc.
That line is sus coming from anyone less charismatic than Mauga. Could you imagine Reaper, Soldier, or even Mei saying something like that without immediately raising red flags.
I can’t see Mei saying it at all, honestly she uses ones of the least lethal weapons in-universe, cause it would just freeze them without killing them (except the icicles but sometimes lethal force is neeeded)
...what? The least lethal? I think you need to understand what freezing somebody actually does to them - hint hint hypothermia hint hint - and that is only one of the multitude of bad outcomes.
honestly just reading about how he’s essentially tasked with killing baptiste makes me want an anime or show so bad. there’s so much lore i don’t know that would be cool to watch and learn.
To be fair, and while I am no psychologist, I feel like Mauga’s attitude is also a form of trauma. In his cinematic he explains that he never used to derive joy from killing and talon was just a means to an end (like early Bap), and we can assume he probably became desensitized to the killing and the job may have been stressful as well. However, after Mauga reached his (literal) breaking point he snapped and then became the psychopath we know who treats talon missions like having a night out and his brain connecting what he has always done with what he likes to do
I'm honestly not sure about that, in the cinematic it showed that mauga thinks a lot deeper about his actions then most in talon would expect. I don't think we know what his agenda is, but it kinda seems like he is being set up for something big down the road
Doomfist - Is willing to cause Wars and support a Genocidal Omnic so that humanity can become stronger
Moira- Is willing to make Unit 731 tier experiments on people to make humanity stronger/ cure diseases.
Mauga- Is basically only in Talon for selfish reasons. Doesn’t give two shits about making the world a better place, he only cares about killing and having fun while doing it. And also Baptiste i guess.
Rammatra- Is willing to kill billions of humans to give Omnics a better life even though there are billions of humans who are willing/ fine with coexisting with said omnics
With Ramatra’s case its a game of prisoner’s dilemma, yeah there is a chance humans are willing to make piece with omnics, but what are the chances thats actually the case, especially for those in power. Considering in world, you have major omnics getting their top blown, you have active organizations attacking omnics, you have civilians in certain parts of the world singling out omnics.
It would be a massive gamble on his half, especially considering omnics can’t reproduce and aren’t being manufactured anymore. So your kind is at risk of extinction, at least the sentient kind are, while the other half is still being enslaved without conscious.
His choices are v
- the gamble pays off and everyone gets piece
- the gamble backfires and you get betryaed
Both with no guarantee it would even last, considering the london protest that were happening, the assassination of mundata, and everything that went down and is going down in Australia.
Ramantra is not evil, he’s making a decisions based on pure survival for himself and his kind.
But his actions are, in fact, considered to be evil.
He's even forcing his ideals on other omnics and subjugating those who dare resist, as shown in the cinematics. The guy has a messiah complex.
Listen, there is no real easy answer here. But complete genocide against the other race should never be even considered as an option.
Its one thing to commit genocide out of hatred like a certain german. But this really comes down to survival. When it comes down to it, good and evil falls right out the door when it comes to survival, and from his perspective his people are on the brink of extinction at the hands of humans. By no means is genocide ever a good solution, but in this case from his perspective there’s no other way go ensure their survival at the rate the world treats omnics.
And yeah, i’d say he’s more a dictator by now. Those actions are most definitely bad to murky at best
Ram sees it as survival. He tried the peaceful path, and the best of them was killed by it. It’s basically the same choice the elves faced in the Witcher series.
Moira and Doom are the two characters who are irredeemably evil, even if presented with better options. Junkrat is one of the most notorious criminals internationally. We don't know if Rammatra is redeemable or not - and I don't think we ever will unless OW gets the Arcane treatment - but they are currently evil.
Almost the entirety of the rest of the cast is usually just bad by association.
I can at least understand Rammatras morals. He’s fighting against omnic oppression. No different from revolutions we’ve done in the past.
Junkrat I wouldn’t say is evil, he steals and blows things up but he doesn’t seem like the type to kill someone. Even his plan in his animated short didn’t seem like the plan was to kill the queen, just kinda mess with her.
Moira and Doom however are absolutely evil. They want conflict in an attempt to weed out the weak in Doom fists case. Moira is a mad scientist incarnate experimenting on people to alter genetics.
Moira genuinely believes that she will help humanity through her experiments. She believes in the cause enough to give herself what is pretty much cancer
My main! Moira.
She’s got some messed up lore and is essentially the “mad scientist” role in the game. Made Reaper and Widowmaker who they are and likely wouldn’t hesitate to do that to more people.
Plus she experimented on animals.
I think he did something back at Horizon. Then when the riot broke out, he latched himself onto Winston's escape pod. What if he, and not the other gorillas, was the one responsible for killing the scientists?
They went over this in the new book. He watched his siblings suffer and die from the same experiments as him. He hates the company that tortured him, and the apes, it’s made him cold.
Mauga. He kills and destroys stuff just because he wants to, no good reason behind it. Everyone else is either not as evil as they used to be (Junkers) or has a good but misguided reason behind what they do (Rest of Talon)
moira isn’t as evil because she has method to her madness. in her mind, she’s genuinely doing good. it’s arguably more evil to kill without reason and just for fun rather rather than killing for a cause.
She knows that what she is doing is inhumane but to her, progress is progress. She pushes humanity to inhumane extremes knowing it is inhumane because she believes that her deeds will one day overshadow her inhumanity.
I was saying she knows it is more bad but is looking for the ones where more good shows.
I would say it's both tbh. She looks for the good in her bad and while knowing it is more bad than good, she let's the good overshadow the bad.
i can agree with that. but i think, in the end, her progress will lead to something genuinely better. she knows how terrible it is, but eventually, no matter how long it takes, her research will lead to something better
That's just good writing imho. Most people in real life aren't evil because muahaha evil. Her thinking she's doing more good than evil in the end doesn't prove she's not evil, just gives her character nuance.
Her experiments seem to have something to do with injecting people/test subjects with entropy. Doesn't sound like something a good person would do.
i don’t disagree! in all of my responses i say she isn’t as evil, not that she isn’t evil :) she’s still pretty damn evil and a bad person but at leave she has motives and goals
Doomfist wants to start another global scale war between humans and omnics. Sacrificing some lives to 'save' more lives and strengthen the humanity.
Moira is like any Rapture scientists in Bioshock lore, who doesn't bound to morals and ethics to make discoveries, even they have to carry out dangerous experiments on live subjects.
Ramattra wants to commit a genocide against the humanity to save his own kind from being died out, while he sees the humanity as lost cause that they cannot co-exist with omnics. Ramattra also sent his warbots to force the omnics to wear 'helmets' that could cosr their sentience.
Junkrat blew up a skyscraper just to pay back against one man. He also went on global heist spree for his petty revenge against the Junker Queen because she kicked him out of the Junkertown for blowing up her summer shack, starting bar fights and trying to steal from her.
Junkrat still thinks he did nothing wrong but blames Roadhog as the reason that they both got kicked out.
Yeah, he pretty much went along with Junkrat for 50% share of the treasure. If he thinks the share wasn't enough, he compensates by stealing more.
Hog was also part of the militia ("Australian Liberation front") that was formed by local farmers who was forced out of the lands by the Australian government. Instead of rebelling the Australian government for making a dumbass decision, they attacked the omnic population to take back their lands, one of the militia rebels sabotaged the omnium fusion that caused a mega explosion which turned the outback into wastelands.
i don't see how, doom is creating wars and conflict just to make people stronger. moira is more mustache twirling evil but doom is causing a lot of death and pain for the sake of strength.
You actually explained it yourself: Doomfist has a warped sense of justice. "Might is right", basically. Doom is creating wars to continue his philosophy of making people stronger through conflict. The actions are evil but the motivation technically isn't. He's an anti villain.
Moira wants to watch the world burn so long as she can pioneer into scientific atrocities. When Reaper complains about the constant pain of the cycle of decay and regeneration he's stuck in, Moira tells him "good, let that motivate you"
Moira is actually very similar to Doomfist because her whole thing is about making humanity stronger through science, the issue is that it’s through unethical means and she doesn’t care who gets hurt to make that progress. Like how Doomfist is willing to have people die in conflict to make humanity stronger.
> Over a decade ago, O'Deorain made waves when she published a controversial paper detailing a methodology for creating custom genetic programs that could alter DNA at a cellular level. It seemed like a promising step toward overcoming diseases and disorders and maximizing human potential.
>Dissent among her peers soon followed. Many considered her work to be dangerous because of its perceived ethical shortfalls, and O'Deorain was even accused of having the same unchecked desire for scientific advancement that some believed had caused the Omnic Crisis.
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/moira/
Well yes, moira's motivations definitely do include some positive influences. I do not believe that the end goal is to help humanity, so much as it is to push the borders of scientific knowledge at any cost. The sociopathic tendencies would definitely lead me to believe that she is more evil than doomfist, who is simply authoritarian rather than apathetic.
Edit: everything I have seen about Moira implies that she would rather push the boundaries of science for the sake of being the discover over being the savior of humanity with her discoveries
I have always been surprised that Doomfist and Moira have never had an in game interaction about them basically sharing the same motivations. At best we have gotten Doom asking Moira about her experiments but i’ve always wanted to see them discussing their beliefs/ motives. But then again i guess i shouldn’t really expect much from short interactions lol
No she doesn’t, she wants to use unethical science to further science and thus humanity, and there is actually precedent to unethical experiments leading to beneficial scientific advancement, so she’s got slightly more of a leg to stand on than doom even if she’s still evil as fuck
>so she’s got slightly more of a leg to stand on than doom even if she’s still evil as fuck
Definitely not. The results of Unit 731 or Mengele's experiments were largely useless and nowhere near worth the pain they caused. Conflict has long been a motivator for social progress. The USA surged in all aspects basically during and after WWII. In game, humanity is shown to be so much better after the Omnic crisis than they were before.
Moira, she's basically a mad scientist trope. Making unethical experiments on humans making them suffer and turning them into living weapons.
Doom has 2nd place for being obsessed with war for his unhinged plans.
Moira, easily.
Mauga is a psychopath
Doomfist is literally trying to start and fund war across the planet.
(Ramattra imo isn’t anywhere near as evil as any of the above characters. He’s waging war on humanity, sure, but also he’s kinda right? Omnics are being killed on the daily. Although some coexistence has occurred, most of the world is still awful to omnickind. There’s no such thing as reacting wrong to being oppressed. His evil doesn’t come from his actions in relation to humanity but in relation to the other omnics, from kidnapping them and putting them in stasis loops basically. So still evil for ignoring other omnics free will (even if temporarily, it’s still evil) sure, but nowhere near as bad as Doom, Moira, or Mauga)
I would actually consider Ramattra to be more evil just because of the sheer scale of his actions. Mass genocide.
Besides Doomfist, the rest are rather small in terms of impact. Maybe you could make a case for Moira but Mauga can definitely be considered as your average brute.
The post asks about moral corruption. Moira has no morals whatsoever. She actively doesn’t care about morality. Doomfist has a twisted sense of morals, and Mauga just does whatever he wants morality be damned.
Ramattra has a sense of morality, and a not necessarily evil one. The thing is, it’s not exactly genocide, it’s more self defense/defense of his kind. Omnics are being persecuted and abused across the world, killed/executed. He is attempting to prevent his kind from being killed the only way that humans seem to understand: fighting back. There’s no such thing as an oppressed group reacting wrong to being oppressed. Change, meaningful change, very rarely occurs through peace. Like I said before, his evil comes from temporarily denying the free will of other omnics. Even if his cause, freedom from oppression, is noble, it’s his means of denying his kin free will that is abhorrent.
Ramattra tried peace. He tried coexisting. But like his origin story says “humanity is not interested in sharing their world”
The AI Anubis programming is one I haven’t seen in these comments. It’s what caused all the omnics to go bad and cause a global war that caused the lives of hundreds of millions. And we even got to finally see Anubis in that Venture trailer at the end.
After seeing that trailer, my pet theory is that Venture is going to accidentally release Anubis from its prison and force overwatch/talon/null sector to temporarily put aside their differences in order to stop it
Moira. As much as love her, she's extremely evil. International terrorist, has zero regard for human and animal life, has converted multiple people into war machines, is actively killing herself and others to advance science. She's probably waiting for her chance to overthrow Doomfist as the leader of Talon tbh.
i think doomfist might not be the most evil but he's certainly the most infuriating.
moira is evil because she wants to advance science without ethical restrictions. rammatra allies with evil people and insights violence because he's been pushed to think that political violence is the only language that humans understand. sigma is unbelievably dangerous but is exploited, and apparantly not totally aware of his actions. and sombra's just a little stinker, mauga too.
but doomfist is a terrorist because he wants to "force humanity's evolution". that's complete nonsense. i need him to think about the words coming out of his mouth for even 0.2 seconds.
>but doomfist is a terrorist because he wants to "force humanity's evolution". that's complete nonsense. i need him to think about the words coming out of his mouth for even 0.2 seconds.
He already was vindicated within the story. Look at the results of the Omnic Crisis. He views the weak as being culled, which explains the financial crisis, but many groups did objectively end up benefitting from that combat.
The omnics gained sentience. Russia became a mechanized superpower. Numbani was created and is almost utopian. The entire world became more peaceful with each other by having to band together
If this was OW1 I bet a ton of people would be saying Mei... and calling her the devil... so I guess that is one positive about OW2... less people seem to hate Mei now.
Not lore but gameplay wise, Mei, specifically OW1 Mei. She freezes you then ruthlessly shoots a shard of ice between your eyes with a smile on her face, like Satan and his frozen tears.
To be fair, it's Blizzards fault for adding that extra half-second of time you spend frozen where the icicle in her gun takes its sweet time to form.
They could've had the projectile fly out instantly, but noooo they want to extend the suffering unecessarily while we Meis just want to get the kill and move on.
Junkrat and roadhog literally killed innocent people.
The whole Talon squad as well. Each of them is either a ruthless killer or an opportunist like sombra.
Moira and it ain't even close. She's responsible for Reaper, Widowmaker, Sigma, and iirc partly involved with Mauga. Not to mention she's knows what she does it wrong... and couldn't give two shits on a stick about the morals.
The thing about Overwatch is that they’ve basically made all the villains sympathetic. It’s hard to say.
Ramattra and DF believe they’re doing the right thing. Widow and Sigma have been brainwashed.
I’d argue that Moira is probably the most evil because she pursues scientific progress at the cost of what is morale and legal. Her experiments are dangerously close in justification to the medical experiments done in Nazi Germany during the Holocaust — except she doesn’t have the excuse of “just following orders”.
Kind of shocked that the comments all seem to ignore Junker Queen here. While yes, you can argue many characters have a worse impact on the world (various Talon folks, Ramattra) just due to opportunity, JQ is a tyrant of a rogue nation who rules entirely through fear, violence, and bloodsport, whose first rule of governance is the systematic destruction of a whole category of sapient beings (whose bodies she piles up in a big pit and wears like armor), and who despite all her talk about being a better leader than her predecessor in her cinematic (which I think may be the reason people regard her fondly or sympathetically) is shown in the present day to be a mercurial bully with zero regard for her subjects - see her various verbal abuse to minions off camera in her Junkertown lines which, while funny, reveal someone whose entire management style is punching down.
You can argue she cares about her people (to some extent?) or wants a glorious new vision for the Junkers, but that neither excuses her tyrannical and abusive rule over the Junkers, nor the fact her vision is brutal factional violence for fun and wiping out every omnic she can find. It doesn't matter if her dad died and that's sad, it doesn't matter that she's funny and has great abs, she's bloodthirsty, bigoted, warmongering, and serves no purpose greater than her own power.
I’m shocked Moira isn’t at the top.
Sure Doomfist and Mauga are bad people but like Doomfist genuinely believes his war will cause humanity to evolve to a higher level. And Mauga genuinely just seems pretty happy to cause chaos but he also seems like a nice guy to his friends, his relationship with Baptiste shows he isn’t a total psychopath.
But Moira?!?! She literally does evil experiments on cute little animals like bunnies.
What she did to Reaper is beyond cruel and almost a fate worse than death. People forget Reaper is in constant pain due to Moira’s experiments, and what does Moria think about Reaper’s never ending pain?
Moira: “think of it as fuel for the flames beneath your vengeance.”
She’s not just evil, she is a sociopath who shows absolutely no attachment to anyone.
Sure she technically wants to advance medical science to its extreme which is kinda a good thing. But I think she’s so devoid of humanity that even that goal has been twisted to basically her messing with biology in unhealthy ways that no one would want done to them.
I think your mistaken on mauga, isn't he actively hunting Baptiste? he also kills just for fun and has zero motivation other than that so he's probably up there
Mauga easily. Every other ‘evil’ character either has good intentions at heart or have been through shit that understandably clouded their judgement. Mauga just enjoys terrorizing people.
Doom wants to strengthen the world.
Moira wants to advance science.
Junk, Hog, and Ball all live in an irradiated wasteland.
Widow doesn’t exactly have a choice.
Rammatra wants to protect his people.
Sig is being manipulated.
Reaper is an actual shell of his former self.
While every other ‘bad’ character has good motives or tragic backstory to partially justify their actions Mauga just kills for fun…
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Moira by far she’s legit just evil
Doom is evil but thinks he’s doing good but still evil
Rammatra honestly isn’t even evil he’s just broken and one of my favorite characters in lore who deserves so much more lore and his own movie
Ashe she’s not evil just a bitch
Reaper is broken because of Moira
Personally I'd say Moira. Her interaction lines give great clue into her character. She views people as tools for experimentation. She cares for nothing beyond her work and its results. And with Talon she's pretty much free to do as she pleases. She torments Widow, puts Reaper through hell and believes she's improving them. She wants to advance humanity by force and shows no remorse for pain or deaths caused by what she does.
Moira. No contest. She is the one who left overwatch to do her inhumane experiments. Talon volunteered to give her the resources, but she still does the experiments to her liking.
Moira is maybe the worst but her goals having more quantifiable good outcomes could give her an edge over doomfist (there’s much more presence for unethical experiments leading to beneficial scientific advancements than whatever doom’s up to)
Doom believes in social Darwinism basically, the strong should leave the weak behind through war. (Which is ironic because he’s from a country that was a victim of colonialism)
The official overwatch website has a decent amount, like the characters backstories on their pages, along with a short story section
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/
As far as I know that's where a bulk of it all comes from, I don't think there was much released in book form but I haven't followed that too much admittedly since they last cancelled one of their books saying they'd rather the fanbase enjoy their own canon than tie everyone to one canon, but that was a long time ago.
Moira for sure. She’s evil for the fun of it.
Reaper comes to her telling of his terrible condition? Just laughs it off saying he’s better now.
All other evil characters have some tragic backstory, Moira was just born a monster.
If we're purely to do by the numbers bad guys then it'd be Talon, but if we're going to go by story beats and possible story progression then it'd have to be someone in a morally grey area, who's going to create something to fight Talon or the omics and in the process it's going to create something truly evil in a similar vein to Ultron or Skynet.
And they're not going to see what damage their creation will cause because they'll believe they're morally right and righteous. And that any price is worth paying for peace, at the moment I'm leaning towards Symm filling that role.
Doomfist and Ramattra really take it I think. They are both delusional warmongerers killing thousands/millions of people bc they're too immature to cope with life and pursue an actually realistic, effective path forward.
I would put Moira on there, but despite being insanely cruel, from a technical standpoint she seems to be scientifically correct. Still very evil and should be stopped, but at least there is a basis in reality and tangible progress she's working towards, unlike the others. Her problem is the cost massively outweighs the progress.
I'd also put Mauga on there, but he has no grand evil to kill people on a mass scale. He's just a run of the mill psychopath.
I definitely agree with the multitude of Moira responses here. She isn't just interested in killing people but seeing the lengths she can stretch the suffering of others all in the name of satisfying her own curiosities.
However, I don't see enough Ramattra. Sure he's charismatic and the path to his anger is understandable, BUT he is awfully pro human genocide. Neat motives, still genocide.
Doom, Ram, Moira mostly. They’re not really pure evil but they’re not bound by traditional morals. In a way they only want what’s best for their people but their methods are certainly questionable. Hog and Reaper too a little bit, even Junkrat to an extent but that’s mostly just him being severely mentally ill
I would say Moira and Doomfist, both of them have a very strong "ends justify the means" type of mentality.
isn’t moira responsible for Reaper + Widow both being villains? Think i read Widow’s husband was assisinated and she was brainwashed lol
Yep, and she completely unapologetic about it, even Reaper shows some manner of remorse, but mostly hatred for his current condition(Honestly, he is kinda like Darth Vader in that sense), Moira on the other hand just wants to see how far she can take her experiments, the only border she is unwilling to cross \*yet\* is something taking her own life.
> the only border she is unwilling to cross ‘yet’ is something taking her own life. This voice line would beg to differ. **Lifeweaver:** What is your fascination with artificial decay? **Moira:** To reverse entropy, we must tame it. **Lifeweaver:** But inflicting it on yourself? You're withering away! **Moira:** I've always thrived under a deadline.
Yeah, I corrected myself in an earlier comment.
Actually considering her voice lines with Lifeweaver she actually is dying and doesn’t seem too bothered by it
Oh well, remove the "yet" then lmao. I haven't heard those yet.
The one I heard when LW came out, was something along the lines of "Moira you're literally decaying" and her going "Haha yea so"
“I’ve always thrived under a deadline” 💅🏻
She’s so cunty
And trying Roadhog's gas.
No, she's just observing
He wasn’t just assassinated, they made her do it.
kinda, but not exactly. the concrete facts we know about moira after overwatch are: 1. she disappeared following the venice incident because her employment status went public 2. moira is responsible for widowmaker’s slowed heart rate, blue skin, and emotionless conditioning (seen in her comic where she shoots out ana’s eye) however, she had nothing to do with her initial kidnapping/brainwashing or the death of her husband. 3. when reaper was left for dead by soldier76 during the explosion at the swiss HQ, it was moira who saved him by worsening his reaper condition. (it’s unclear if moira found him or if gabe went to her) 4. moira was invited to join the oasis collective. the collective funds her research, but is also used as a cover so the world doesn’t know her as a talon geneticist. 5. by the time doomfist got out of jail, both moira and reaper had positions in the inner council of talon. I honestly don’t think overwatch has any truly evil villains. i think it adds a lot of character complexity.
My favorite Moira voiceline is that one conversation with Junkrat. J "You looking for a lab assistant? I'm great with chemicals!" M "Certainly. We would begin by testing your tolerance for *pain*." J "W-what does pain have to do with science?" M "*Everything,* my strange little friend." So yeah, Moira is definitely number one. Doomfist is a big kind of evil with his 'evolution through global conflict' plan, but Moira's deliberately going out of her way to use the geneva convention as a checklist.
I’d say moira is more evil than doom fist. Doomfist is evil, wanting to cause wars to strengthen humanity. The motive is somewhat understandable, we can assume he gets the idea as during the omnic crisis humanity banded together like never before. In one comic retells his character trailer where he breaks out of prison. He return to Talon to find that the organisation was, in his eyes, reduced to a criminal organisation doing things for money. But like you said he believes talon is better than that, he fully and genuinely believes the ends justify the means. But talon being just another criminal organisation goes against doomfist’s believes. So he kills the guy who’s been running it and moves talon along the path he needs to achieve his goal which he believes to be the right thing to humanity. Doomfist is not a good person obviously. But in some ways he is a man of honour. Reaper actually willingly joined him before his mind was completely scrambled, when he was aware his edgy serial killer stuff was bad and should be avoided. In fact this started when reaper was still a part of overwatch, being convinced by doomfist that doing things by the book isn’t actually the way to go. Which is probably what set him off to kill the talon operative in Retribution. Which lead to the ‘civil war’, which lead to him being ‘fixed’ by Moira and becoming the reaper. Reaper believes he is doing the right thing aswell, even if he knows that’s he himself has become a monster. We see this in the ‘code of violence’ short story. Moira on the other hand, in the very same short story is described by reaper as actively enjoying experimenting on the weak and vulnerable, like an unconscious wounded Gabriel Reyes. She presumably does it enough for reaper to acknowledge it as a characteristic. She is also a manipulator down to her core, it’s why I personally enjoy her as a villain. She has everyone in the palm of her hand and likes to establish that superiority. Talking down on reaper and widow, both reluctantly obliging to her. And even talking back to doomfist himself. She claims her work is to improve humanity aswell, even against mercy which leads me to believe she believes it but…how? We know doomfist’s motivations. We know reaper’s and widow’s clear as day aswell. But how does moira help. She’s a genius in many ways which makes her use to talon obvious but we don’t know anything about her actual experiments and how it helps humans, is it a quest for immortality? Making human weapons? I do not believe at all that she actively wants help human kind by healing their wounds like mercy does. In her words ‘humanity is shackled, I will find the key’, what does it mean? Whatever it means, it doesn’t seem to be about bettering the world if you ask me. just going beyond the limits. Her experiments are shoving people full of drugs to see what happens. Exposing them to torture, possibly fates worse than death if reaper is actually in agony every second of his life. And she doesn’t even care let alone attempt to help him. no remorse or mercy. That is way more evil than doom if you ask me.
She wants knowledge for knowledges sake, and has no need for any bothersome "ethics". She makes "abominations", probably does highly immoral gene editing, creating chimeras, all kinds of shit. Probably wants to turn human beings into ubermensch, immortal, or otherwise superior to regular people. But she doesn't care if any of her experiments are willing test subjects. She's just a Sociopath and a geneticist.
Yeah she's like up there with real life Nazi scientists, Japanese responsible for Unit 731, and Khmer Rouge experiments, etc. Easily the most evil in the Overwatch universe imo.
She reminds me of Dr. Hojo from Final Fantasy 7, and he's the mostevil motherfucker in the game, even more evil than Sephiroth, and it's scary because he doesn't always act evil, infact throught the FF7 compilation he's even helped heros a little along the way, but his actions, experiments and thirst fir scientific breakthroughs make him evil, same like Moira
Good answer. I want more in doomfists history, because he does seem like he has a “reason”. Moira’s unhinged
In addition to the Talon folks, I think Roadhog is actually pretty evil. His description is a killer with a reputation for cruelty and wanton destruction. Obviously Junkrat also commits the same crimes, but with Roadhog it seems less like he’s a lunatic and more like a selfish bastard. Even Doom or Moira has at least some justification or “good” for their motives, for Roadhog after the apocalypse he just lost any humanity he had
But he Loves Pachimaris, how can he be Evil?!
Roadhog also fought hard for the freedom of Australians back during the omnic war
But then he blew the entire country up after peace was returned because he’s a racist.
Who hasnt
Didn't Australia's government give his home away to Omnics which lead him to that?
Nobody's perfect.
I think it's hard to classify Road and Junk as evil, because they're stuck in a post-Omnic Australia where everyone left is genuinely evil, and they're trying to survive without giving in too dearly to the system left behind. TLDR Road and Junk are making do in a really shit situation, and while they do undeniably bad things, there's cause to suggest it may be necessary in some regards.
i suppose what differentiates them from the rest of the junkers is that they left Australia to be terrorist murder hobos
I don't think Hog is that evil. Sure, he is a criminal but the world kinda forced him to commit cromes to survive. He doesn't look to evil based on in game voicelines and interactions as well
roadhog and his horrible cromes
Shiny cromes
Moira has zero justification other than seeking knowledge, which is nowhere near good enough for what she has done to people
Doom - he is trying to start a major conflict to make people stronger Hamster - did stuff which made it illegal for him to be within 150 yards of a school Reaper - for who he says he will see in hell
Wait what? The hamster did what??
You ever hear of a Chicago Sunroof?
No 😭
https://youtu.be/Fi0NKXT_xA8?si=m0cWHlfmf03SL-I1 Go to about 1:05
Love this reference
YOU DEFACATED IN THE SUNROOF OF A CAR JIMMY!!
i think junkrat is above hamster, didn’t junkertown literally have to make the entire place junkrat proof
junk isn’t evil he’s just misunderstood! lol
Yes all the people he bombed on a train misunderstood him
Wow bro, god forbid a dude has hobbies
I know right. You can’t cause property damage no more without people calling you a psycho.
He just wanted their stuff, he doesn't crave death. Just destruction and money. He could probably go straight and build a demolition company and be just as fulfilled.
lmaoo 😂
Nah he’s just quirky
>"Reaper - for who he says he will see in hell" AHAHAHAHA
A lot of people are saying Doom, which is fair, but I'd also like to argue Mauga. He's not causing any world wars, but he also just kinda kills and steals for the fun of it. Doom at least believes he's doing good, Mauga murders because he can
Yeah i was going to say the same thing. Dude is a complete psycho, he doesn’t give two shits about Talons beliefs he’s just there to kill and have fun. The thing that really made me seem him as one of the most evil characters of the game is a voice line between him and Baptiste where Baptiste talks about basically being mentally scarred/ having alot of regret about the shit they did in the past while Mauga asks why he had to grow a conscience At first glance Mauga seems like a Charismatic goofball(he still kind of is one) when in reality he is a bloodthirsty war machine who’s excited to shred people into pieces with his dual miniguns
Id still argue moira over mauga Moira has a conscience yet she still performs these horrid experiments, and im pretty sure she even shits on other characters for having morals
That is true but she also believes she is doing the right thing in one of her voice lines someone ( I forgot who) asks her about her arm meaning that she experimented even on herself to better understand how to stop what was happening to her and reaper
yeah she sees her work ultimately as good for humanity because she’s advancing research, doing things that could potentially save or “enhance” lives. the ethics of work are very, very debatable at best though
Moira strikes me as the type of person who knows they are twisted, so they make use of that twistedness to do what others wouldn't. One of the lines that really hit home with that. Mercy: I'd rather wait a century for progress than cause the harm you have. Moira: What a joy it must be... to feel entitled to patience.
I love the dripping disdain Moira’s VA puts into lines like that one. Definitely gives the sense that she’s so sick of everyone else being too short sighted to understand the goals she works for. Makes her understandable as someone thinking the ends will justify all the means, rather than just doing evil science for the fun of it.
What’s worse? Someone who tosses out their morals? Or one who had none to begin with?
Someone who tosses theirs out- They literally and willingly chose evil between good and evil
Her voicelines constantly shit on everyone about what she does, it's wild. Telling Junkrat she'd inflict pain for basically 'the BEST reasons', saying she happily experiments on 'cute little rabbits' etc.
i took the rabbit voiceline as just a macabre way to make dva upset
Pretty sure its more like Moira being like, "hah,she doesn't even know about my human trials"
“A gun in my hand and a smile on my face” is a bit sus when viewed through that lens
That line is sus coming from anyone less charismatic than Mauga. Could you imagine Reaper, Soldier, or even Mei saying something like that without immediately raising red flags.
I can’t see Mei saying it at all, honestly she uses ones of the least lethal weapons in-universe, cause it would just freeze them without killing them (except the icicles but sometimes lethal force is neeeded)
...what? The least lethal? I think you need to understand what freezing somebody actually does to them - hint hint hypothermia hint hint - and that is only one of the multitude of bad outcomes.
It’s a video game though so it’s cryogenic freezing. She uses it on herself
There’s a really creepy voice interaction where Mercy asks him to donate blood and he’s like “yeah, I can get you blood”
“You need more? I can get you more!”
honestly just reading about how he’s essentially tasked with killing baptiste makes me want an anime or show so bad. there’s so much lore i don’t know that would be cool to watch and learn.
To be fair, and while I am no psychologist, I feel like Mauga’s attitude is also a form of trauma. In his cinematic he explains that he never used to derive joy from killing and talon was just a means to an end (like early Bap), and we can assume he probably became desensitized to the killing and the job may have been stressful as well. However, after Mauga reached his (literal) breaking point he snapped and then became the psychopath we know who treats talon missions like having a night out and his brain connecting what he has always done with what he likes to do
What’s worse, actively choosing evil, or not knowing there’s a choice and doing evil
I'm honestly not sure about that, in the cinematic it showed that mauga thinks a lot deeper about his actions then most in talon would expect. I don't think we know what his agenda is, but it kinda seems like he is being set up for something big down the road
Doomfist - Is willing to cause Wars and support a Genocidal Omnic so that humanity can become stronger Moira- Is willing to make Unit 731 tier experiments on people to make humanity stronger/ cure diseases. Mauga- Is basically only in Talon for selfish reasons. Doesn’t give two shits about making the world a better place, he only cares about killing and having fun while doing it. And also Baptiste i guess. Rammatra- Is willing to kill billions of humans to give Omnics a better life even though there are billions of humans who are willing/ fine with coexisting with said omnics
With Ramatra’s case its a game of prisoner’s dilemma, yeah there is a chance humans are willing to make piece with omnics, but what are the chances thats actually the case, especially for those in power. Considering in world, you have major omnics getting their top blown, you have active organizations attacking omnics, you have civilians in certain parts of the world singling out omnics. It would be a massive gamble on his half, especially considering omnics can’t reproduce and aren’t being manufactured anymore. So your kind is at risk of extinction, at least the sentient kind are, while the other half is still being enslaved without conscious. His choices are v - the gamble pays off and everyone gets piece - the gamble backfires and you get betryaed Both with no guarantee it would even last, considering the london protest that were happening, the assassination of mundata, and everything that went down and is going down in Australia. Ramantra is not evil, he’s making a decisions based on pure survival for himself and his kind.
But his actions are, in fact, considered to be evil. He's even forcing his ideals on other omnics and subjugating those who dare resist, as shown in the cinematics. The guy has a messiah complex. Listen, there is no real easy answer here. But complete genocide against the other race should never be even considered as an option.
Its one thing to commit genocide out of hatred like a certain german. But this really comes down to survival. When it comes down to it, good and evil falls right out the door when it comes to survival, and from his perspective his people are on the brink of extinction at the hands of humans. By no means is genocide ever a good solution, but in this case from his perspective there’s no other way go ensure their survival at the rate the world treats omnics. And yeah, i’d say he’s more a dictator by now. Those actions are most definitely bad to murky at best
Ram sees it as survival. He tried the peaceful path, and the best of them was killed by it. It’s basically the same choice the elves faced in the Witcher series.
Do we know if he is aware that he has allied himself with the very people that killed his old master?
Im pretty sure he suspects it, his interactions with widow. “You seem like a good shot from above…”
yeah, he really is zenyatta's dark counterpart lol
Moira and Doom are the two characters who are irredeemably evil, even if presented with better options. Junkrat is one of the most notorious criminals internationally. We don't know if Rammatra is redeemable or not - and I don't think we ever will unless OW gets the Arcane treatment - but they are currently evil. Almost the entirety of the rest of the cast is usually just bad by association.
I can at least understand Rammatras morals. He’s fighting against omnic oppression. No different from revolutions we’ve done in the past. Junkrat I wouldn’t say is evil, he steals and blows things up but he doesn’t seem like the type to kill someone. Even his plan in his animated short didn’t seem like the plan was to kill the queen, just kinda mess with her. Moira and Doom however are absolutely evil. They want conflict in an attempt to weed out the weak in Doom fists case. Moira is a mad scientist incarnate experimenting on people to alter genetics.
Moira genuinely believes that she will help humanity through her experiments. She believes in the cause enough to give herself what is pretty much cancer
I would argue Ramattra isn’t evil at all, but that’s my opinion on his ideals ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Bro. He's trying to exterminate the entire human race because of a few bad apples.
And essentially mindwiping his fellow omnics
My main! Moira. She’s got some messed up lore and is essentially the “mad scientist” role in the game. Made Reaper and Widowmaker who they are and likely wouldn’t hesitate to do that to more people. Plus she experimented on animals.
I don’t think she has any friends. Or even friendly voice lines with anyone.
Definitely Hammond that piece of shit.
I think he did something back at Horizon. Then when the riot broke out, he latched himself onto Winston's escape pod. What if he, and not the other gorillas, was the one responsible for killing the scientists?
genocidal hamster
They went over this in the new book. He watched his siblings suffer and die from the same experiments as him. He hates the company that tortured him, and the apes, it’s made him cold.
Mauga. He kills and destroys stuff just because he wants to, no good reason behind it. Everyone else is either not as evil as they used to be (Junkers) or has a good but misguided reason behind what they do (Rest of Talon)
Moira?
moira isn’t as evil because she has method to her madness. in her mind, she’s genuinely doing good. it’s arguably more evil to kill without reason and just for fun rather rather than killing for a cause.
She knows that what she is doing is inhumane but to her, progress is progress. She pushes humanity to inhumane extremes knowing it is inhumane because she believes that her deeds will one day overshadow her inhumanity.
oh i know! im saying in her mind, she’s doing more good than bad
I was saying she knows it is more bad but is looking for the ones where more good shows. I would say it's both tbh. She looks for the good in her bad and while knowing it is more bad than good, she let's the good overshadow the bad.
i can agree with that. but i think, in the end, her progress will lead to something genuinely better. she knows how terrible it is, but eventually, no matter how long it takes, her research will lead to something better
That's just good writing imho. Most people in real life aren't evil because muahaha evil. Her thinking she's doing more good than evil in the end doesn't prove she's not evil, just gives her character nuance. Her experiments seem to have something to do with injecting people/test subjects with entropy. Doesn't sound like something a good person would do.
i don’t disagree! in all of my responses i say she isn’t as evil, not that she isn’t evil :) she’s still pretty damn evil and a bad person but at leave she has motives and goals
progress is something at least. She takes 2nd imo
Obviously Mei Satan reincarnated
Doomfist wants to start another global scale war between humans and omnics. Sacrificing some lives to 'save' more lives and strengthen the humanity. Moira is like any Rapture scientists in Bioshock lore, who doesn't bound to morals and ethics to make discoveries, even they have to carry out dangerous experiments on live subjects. Ramattra wants to commit a genocide against the humanity to save his own kind from being died out, while he sees the humanity as lost cause that they cannot co-exist with omnics. Ramattra also sent his warbots to force the omnics to wear 'helmets' that could cosr their sentience. Junkrat blew up a skyscraper just to pay back against one man. He also went on global heist spree for his petty revenge against the Junker Queen because she kicked him out of the Junkertown for blowing up her summer shack, starting bar fights and trying to steal from her. Junkrat still thinks he did nothing wrong but blames Roadhog as the reason that they both got kicked out.
so is Hog just guilty by association or also evil lol
Yeah, he pretty much went along with Junkrat for 50% share of the treasure. If he thinks the share wasn't enough, he compensates by stealing more. Hog was also part of the militia ("Australian Liberation front") that was formed by local farmers who was forced out of the lands by the Australian government. Instead of rebelling the Australian government for making a dumbass decision, they attacked the omnic population to take back their lands, one of the militia rebels sabotaged the omnium fusion that caused a mega explosion which turned the outback into wastelands.
Moira gives big Delilah Kaldwin vibes, kinda wish there would be a dishonored crossover to give her such a skin.
Mei
Definitely moira
Have none of y'all listened to the Moira interactions? She might be a support, but she's the last one I'd wanna cross.
Moira feels like the true final boss of the overwatch story ngl.
Moira is more evil than doomfist.
i don't see how, doom is creating wars and conflict just to make people stronger. moira is more mustache twirling evil but doom is causing a lot of death and pain for the sake of strength.
You actually explained it yourself: Doomfist has a warped sense of justice. "Might is right", basically. Doom is creating wars to continue his philosophy of making people stronger through conflict. The actions are evil but the motivation technically isn't. He's an anti villain. Moira wants to watch the world burn so long as she can pioneer into scientific atrocities. When Reaper complains about the constant pain of the cycle of decay and regeneration he's stuck in, Moira tells him "good, let that motivate you"
Moira is actually very similar to Doomfist because her whole thing is about making humanity stronger through science, the issue is that it’s through unethical means and she doesn’t care who gets hurt to make that progress. Like how Doomfist is willing to have people die in conflict to make humanity stronger. > Over a decade ago, O'Deorain made waves when she published a controversial paper detailing a methodology for creating custom genetic programs that could alter DNA at a cellular level. It seemed like a promising step toward overcoming diseases and disorders and maximizing human potential. >Dissent among her peers soon followed. Many considered her work to be dangerous because of its perceived ethical shortfalls, and O'Deorain was even accused of having the same unchecked desire for scientific advancement that some believed had caused the Omnic Crisis. https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/moira/
Well yes, moira's motivations definitely do include some positive influences. I do not believe that the end goal is to help humanity, so much as it is to push the borders of scientific knowledge at any cost. The sociopathic tendencies would definitely lead me to believe that she is more evil than doomfist, who is simply authoritarian rather than apathetic. Edit: everything I have seen about Moira implies that she would rather push the boundaries of science for the sake of being the discover over being the savior of humanity with her discoveries
I have always been surprised that Doomfist and Moira have never had an in game interaction about them basically sharing the same motivations. At best we have gotten Doom asking Moira about her experiments but i’ve always wanted to see them discussing their beliefs/ motives. But then again i guess i shouldn’t really expect much from short interactions lol
No she doesn’t, she wants to use unethical science to further science and thus humanity, and there is actually precedent to unethical experiments leading to beneficial scientific advancement, so she’s got slightly more of a leg to stand on than doom even if she’s still evil as fuck
>so she’s got slightly more of a leg to stand on than doom even if she’s still evil as fuck Definitely not. The results of Unit 731 or Mengele's experiments were largely useless and nowhere near worth the pain they caused. Conflict has long been a motivator for social progress. The USA surged in all aspects basically during and after WWII. In game, humanity is shown to be so much better after the Omnic crisis than they were before.
Moira and Mauga. Mauga is the definition of chaotic evil and Moira is Neutral Evil
**D.Va:** How can you experiment on those cute little rabbits? **Moira:** Easily.
mei obviously
...they forgot about Mei
Moira, she's basically a mad scientist trope. Making unethical experiments on humans making them suffer and turning them into living weapons. Doom has 2nd place for being obsessed with war for his unhinged plans.
Moira, easily. Mauga is a psychopath Doomfist is literally trying to start and fund war across the planet. (Ramattra imo isn’t anywhere near as evil as any of the above characters. He’s waging war on humanity, sure, but also he’s kinda right? Omnics are being killed on the daily. Although some coexistence has occurred, most of the world is still awful to omnickind. There’s no such thing as reacting wrong to being oppressed. His evil doesn’t come from his actions in relation to humanity but in relation to the other omnics, from kidnapping them and putting them in stasis loops basically. So still evil for ignoring other omnics free will (even if temporarily, it’s still evil) sure, but nowhere near as bad as Doom, Moira, or Mauga)
I would actually consider Ramattra to be more evil just because of the sheer scale of his actions. Mass genocide. Besides Doomfist, the rest are rather small in terms of impact. Maybe you could make a case for Moira but Mauga can definitely be considered as your average brute.
The post asks about moral corruption. Moira has no morals whatsoever. She actively doesn’t care about morality. Doomfist has a twisted sense of morals, and Mauga just does whatever he wants morality be damned. Ramattra has a sense of morality, and a not necessarily evil one. The thing is, it’s not exactly genocide, it’s more self defense/defense of his kind. Omnics are being persecuted and abused across the world, killed/executed. He is attempting to prevent his kind from being killed the only way that humans seem to understand: fighting back. There’s no such thing as an oppressed group reacting wrong to being oppressed. Change, meaningful change, very rarely occurs through peace. Like I said before, his evil comes from temporarily denying the free will of other omnics. Even if his cause, freedom from oppression, is noble, it’s his means of denying his kin free will that is abhorrent. Ramattra tried peace. He tried coexisting. But like his origin story says “humanity is not interested in sharing their world”
The AI Anubis programming is one I haven’t seen in these comments. It’s what caused all the omnics to go bad and cause a global war that caused the lives of hundreds of millions. And we even got to finally see Anubis in that Venture trailer at the end.
I mean, might not have been mentioned cause it isn't a playable character.
After seeing that trailer, my pet theory is that Venture is going to accidentally release Anubis from its prison and force overwatch/talon/null sector to temporarily put aside their differences in order to stop it
Sounds interesting. I wish there were some sort of content where we could experience that.
Mauga. He doesn’t have any goal, just thinks killing is fun.
[literally Mauga](https://youtu.be/VJq_PLitjxU?si=xdn_4jX383SXltkA&t=21)
Moira. As much as love her, she's extremely evil. International terrorist, has zero regard for human and animal life, has converted multiple people into war machines, is actively killing herself and others to advance science. She's probably waiting for her chance to overthrow Doomfist as the leader of Talon tbh.
Roadhog. His character is supposed to be the boogie man of the apocalypse, he’s a selfish and sadistic killer
i think doomfist might not be the most evil but he's certainly the most infuriating. moira is evil because she wants to advance science without ethical restrictions. rammatra allies with evil people and insights violence because he's been pushed to think that political violence is the only language that humans understand. sigma is unbelievably dangerous but is exploited, and apparantly not totally aware of his actions. and sombra's just a little stinker, mauga too. but doomfist is a terrorist because he wants to "force humanity's evolution". that's complete nonsense. i need him to think about the words coming out of his mouth for even 0.2 seconds.
>but doomfist is a terrorist because he wants to "force humanity's evolution". that's complete nonsense. i need him to think about the words coming out of his mouth for even 0.2 seconds. He already was vindicated within the story. Look at the results of the Omnic Crisis. He views the weak as being culled, which explains the financial crisis, but many groups did objectively end up benefitting from that combat. The omnics gained sentience. Russia became a mechanized superpower. Numbani was created and is almost utopian. The entire world became more peaceful with each other by having to band together
Moira. No explanation needed
If this was OW1 I bet a ton of people would be saying Mei... and calling her the devil... so I guess that is one positive about OW2... less people seem to hate Mei now.
brig, she forced role queue, and then 5v5.
Not lore but gameplay wise, Mei, specifically OW1 Mei. She freezes you then ruthlessly shoots a shard of ice between your eyes with a smile on her face, like Satan and his frozen tears.
To be fair, it's Blizzards fault for adding that extra half-second of time you spend frozen where the icicle in her gun takes its sweet time to form. They could've had the projectile fly out instantly, but noooo they want to extend the suffering unecessarily while we Meis just want to get the kill and move on.
Junkrat and roadhog literally killed innocent people. The whole Talon squad as well. Each of them is either a ruthless killer or an opportunist like sombra.
Depends heavily on your definition of evil
Moira and it ain't even close. She's responsible for Reaper, Widowmaker, Sigma, and iirc partly involved with Mauga. Not to mention she's knows what she does it wrong... and couldn't give two shits on a stick about the morals.
The thing about Overwatch is that they’ve basically made all the villains sympathetic. It’s hard to say. Ramattra and DF believe they’re doing the right thing. Widow and Sigma have been brainwashed. I’d argue that Moira is probably the most evil because she pursues scientific progress at the cost of what is morale and legal. Her experiments are dangerously close in justification to the medical experiments done in Nazi Germany during the Holocaust — except she doesn’t have the excuse of “just following orders”.
Anyone but Moira is the wrong answer. You know you're fucked up when EVERYONE in the roster hates you. Even Lifeweaver!
Ramattra probably. Genocide is considered to be pretty up there in terms of evil.
Kind of shocked that the comments all seem to ignore Junker Queen here. While yes, you can argue many characters have a worse impact on the world (various Talon folks, Ramattra) just due to opportunity, JQ is a tyrant of a rogue nation who rules entirely through fear, violence, and bloodsport, whose first rule of governance is the systematic destruction of a whole category of sapient beings (whose bodies she piles up in a big pit and wears like armor), and who despite all her talk about being a better leader than her predecessor in her cinematic (which I think may be the reason people regard her fondly or sympathetically) is shown in the present day to be a mercurial bully with zero regard for her subjects - see her various verbal abuse to minions off camera in her Junkertown lines which, while funny, reveal someone whose entire management style is punching down. You can argue she cares about her people (to some extent?) or wants a glorious new vision for the Junkers, but that neither excuses her tyrannical and abusive rule over the Junkers, nor the fact her vision is brutal factional violence for fun and wiping out every omnic she can find. It doesn't matter if her dad died and that's sad, it doesn't matter that she's funny and has great abs, she's bloodthirsty, bigoted, warmongering, and serves no purpose greater than her own power.
Moira without a doubt.
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It's clearly Moira. But at the same time, her pre-match voice lines are so on point that maybe it's everyone else who's wrong.
Rammatra. You might say he’s broken and shit but he literally have in hand a whole omnic army just to try and recreate the omnic war
This. Just because he’s a sympathetic villain doesn’t mean he can’t be stupidly evil as well
He is evil if you look at it at a different perspective
I’m shocked Moira isn’t at the top. Sure Doomfist and Mauga are bad people but like Doomfist genuinely believes his war will cause humanity to evolve to a higher level. And Mauga genuinely just seems pretty happy to cause chaos but he also seems like a nice guy to his friends, his relationship with Baptiste shows he isn’t a total psychopath. But Moira?!?! She literally does evil experiments on cute little animals like bunnies. What she did to Reaper is beyond cruel and almost a fate worse than death. People forget Reaper is in constant pain due to Moira’s experiments, and what does Moria think about Reaper’s never ending pain? Moira: “think of it as fuel for the flames beneath your vengeance.” She’s not just evil, she is a sociopath who shows absolutely no attachment to anyone. Sure she technically wants to advance medical science to its extreme which is kinda a good thing. But I think she’s so devoid of humanity that even that goal has been twisted to basically her messing with biology in unhealthy ways that no one would want done to them.
I think your mistaken on mauga, isn't he actively hunting Baptiste? he also kills just for fun and has zero motivation other than that so he's probably up there
Yeah if he really is hunting Bap down then he’s probably up there tied with Moira. Just for pure psychopathic tendencies.
Mauga easily. Every other ‘evil’ character either has good intentions at heart or have been through shit that understandably clouded their judgement. Mauga just enjoys terrorizing people. Doom wants to strengthen the world. Moira wants to advance science. Junk, Hog, and Ball all live in an irradiated wasteland. Widow doesn’t exactly have a choice. Rammatra wants to protect his people. Sig is being manipulated. Reaper is an actual shell of his former self. While every other ‘bad’ character has good motives or tragic backstory to partially justify their actions Mauga just kills for fun…
Doomfist and Moira, easily.
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Moira hands down
Moira is up there
Moira by far she’s legit just evil Doom is evil but thinks he’s doing good but still evil Rammatra honestly isn’t even evil he’s just broken and one of my favorite characters in lore who deserves so much more lore and his own movie Ashe she’s not evil just a bitch Reaper is broken because of Moira
Moira.
Personally I'd say Moira. Her interaction lines give great clue into her character. She views people as tools for experimentation. She cares for nothing beyond her work and its results. And with Talon she's pretty much free to do as she pleases. She torments Widow, puts Reaper through hell and believes she's improving them. She wants to advance humanity by force and shows no remorse for pain or deaths caused by what she does.
Moira
Moira is literally a mad scientist doing horrible experiments on people. I don't think Reaper is having a good time
Doomfist and Moira. They’re the leaders of a massive terrorist organization
Moira. No contest. She is the one who left overwatch to do her inhumane experiments. Talon volunteered to give her the resources, but she still does the experiments to her liking.
It has to be Moira. She has 0 morals or justification other than self preservation.
Moira is maybe the worst but her goals having more quantifiable good outcomes could give her an edge over doomfist (there’s much more presence for unethical experiments leading to beneficial scientific advancements than whatever doom’s up to)
Doom believes in social Darwinism basically, the strong should leave the weak behind through war. (Which is ironic because he’s from a country that was a victim of colonialism)
Stupid question I know. I've only been playing since Lifeweaver where can I find legit lore. I can only find new hero stuff or people's opinions
The official overwatch website has a decent amount, like the characters backstories on their pages, along with a short story section https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/ https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/ As far as I know that's where a bulk of it all comes from, I don't think there was much released in book form but I haven't followed that too much admittedly since they last cancelled one of their books saying they'd rather the fanbase enjoy their own canon than tie everyone to one canon, but that was a long time ago.
Probably Moira because she’s just pure evil and doesn’t care at all about others she just sees them as a way to get her goals
Probably doom, widow and Moira might be close
Moira for sure. She’s evil for the fun of it. Reaper comes to her telling of his terrible condition? Just laughs it off saying he’s better now. All other evil characters have some tragic backstory, Moira was just born a monster.
Torb
I genuinely don't understand how people are calling roadhog and junkrat evil people
Moira
It's Moira. No one see's an opportunity of malice in others more than her. Others suffering is her fuel.
Moira hurt innocent little rabbits with no remorse >:(
If we're purely to do by the numbers bad guys then it'd be Talon, but if we're going to go by story beats and possible story progression then it'd have to be someone in a morally grey area, who's going to create something to fight Talon or the omics and in the process it's going to create something truly evil in a similar vein to Ultron or Skynet. And they're not going to see what damage their creation will cause because they'll believe they're morally right and righteous. And that any price is worth paying for peace, at the moment I'm leaning towards Symm filling that role.
Moira and by a lot.
Less racist reaper, but sadly was nerfed.
Doomfist and Ramattra really take it I think. They are both delusional warmongerers killing thousands/millions of people bc they're too immature to cope with life and pursue an actually realistic, effective path forward. I would put Moira on there, but despite being insanely cruel, from a technical standpoint she seems to be scientifically correct. Still very evil and should be stopped, but at least there is a basis in reality and tangible progress she's working towards, unlike the others. Her problem is the cost massively outweighs the progress. I'd also put Mauga on there, but he has no grand evil to kill people on a mass scale. He's just a run of the mill psychopath.
I definitely agree with the multitude of Moira responses here. She isn't just interested in killing people but seeing the lengths she can stretch the suffering of others all in the name of satisfying her own curiosities. However, I don't see enough Ramattra. Sure he's charismatic and the path to his anger is understandable, BUT he is awfully pro human genocide. Neat motives, still genocide.
Mercy - you know it.
Doom, Ram, Moira mostly. They’re not really pure evil but they’re not bound by traditional morals. In a way they only want what’s best for their people but their methods are certainly questionable. Hog and Reaper too a little bit, even Junkrat to an extent but that’s mostly just him being severely mentally ill
Moira is very high up there
not the most evil but i think it's a good time to mention that soldier kinda sucks. he's a good guy at heart but a massive hypocrite
I’d argue for Mauga. Everyone else has a purpose for fighting…maugas purpose is because he absolutely loves killing people
it's hilarious how much lore and world building is in the random conversations characters have in a pvp waiting room