The word liberal in Pakistan just means 'potential atheists who disagree with me' or 'delusional women who believe they should have the same rights as men'.
Honestly this qoum is so jaahil, it's barely worth engaging with these people.
Bruh.. stop creating hate.. if you use social media right, and try to figure authentic post, I believe it gives better education than the molvi in Masjid..
This subreddit is literally creating hate and distance between every non Muslim and Muslim themselves. Insulting liberals when they literally support Palestine and immigrants . I just can't stand these logical fallacies in these posts.
And I think I don't deny the fact that non-muslims are the ones provoking Muslims for extreme steps.. Just like your comment that said "you expect Muslims to be educated....." Provoked me a bit.. you even called our scholars "corrupt".. creating hate by yourself doesn't make you the supporter of peace .
I would say Pakistani leftists are the true Palestine supporters as they come from a secular perspective.
Meanwhile Islamists are just the Muslim version of Zionists.
They avg teen mindset. I can confirm op need attention here. He is Indian most probably and posting everything on different subreddit.
Soon after year there will no religion people will fight for there fanatsy.
Liberals, LGBTQs, atheists are all actually on the side of Palestine against Israel war crimes
So are "Liberals, Pakistani fake muslims"
You just got triggered because not everyone is going "deAth to amreeKa" or "kiLl aLl YahOdis" or asking to boycott local made ktems because the brand is foreign terming it "israeli products"
It's funny since only right wingers and consevestives are pro Isreal and every time I see a liberal saying they support Palestine on social media all right wingers gather and mock the person... Well since Muslims are right wing they can't say no to Republicans
Those facts are incorrent btw.
A video got famous sadly by a self proclaimed BI guru where he broke down Pakistani only stats, showing the highest ranking provice as "Top ranking"
We arent even in top 10. Just dont have the internet usage
What the hell do you think a liberal is? I have seen so many posts that try to make out liberals as pro Israel. There is no connection between liberalism and Israel. Why can't people like OP understand this? I don't know if Israel does this and I will research it but if it does this, then it's the most vile action done even against proven terrorists. But to do this against civilians, my goodness the demons who do this must take a thousand sleeping pills at night just for an hour of sleep.
OP is a braindead conservative who doesn't know anything about liberalism and doesn't want to know either. He just knows liberalism is against his values so he just hates it because conservatives don't have the critical thinking skills and they are incapable of admitting they are wrong about something.
Muslims biggest enemies are liberals and feminist..because what they fear is not being able to beat woman to death like farkhunda malikzada and get away with it
You don't see us filthy atheist liberals beating woman to death here in Canada lol
Israel is as illiberal as it gets. Even by western standards it’s only liberal as far as the neoliberal American establishment (which would be center right in any decent country) is concerned. An apartheid state based on ethnonationalism is very much on the right, even if they do have LGBTQ flags flying in Tel Aviv.
That wasn't my point. My point was that nowadays a lot of people like to paint whatever they don't like as liberal as if that's an insult. My comment was about exposing this ignorance of liberalism as a strand of thought that stretches over 350 years.
Literally all pro Palestine protests in America is done by liberals lol. Muslims are so blind they ignore the Republicans supporting not only Putin war but Isreal aswell...wtf
This subreddit is full of uneducated people just insulting liberals and each other I don't get it the facts are literally everywhere on social media. I keep reading youtube comments about liberals protesting for Palestine and right wingers just spew their hate under the comments and scream maga or trump 2024 lol. Also liberals are also pro immigration so it's ironic how the ones inviting Muslims in America are being hated now....trump is strict on anti immigration but they ignore that
I think 95% of the people did not bother to read half the articles and evidences of the thousands available out on the internet.
I think 95% of the people are uninformed and just chose a side based on what they thought was right, based on the information they got from their social circles.
I think 95% of the uninformed people are also spewing hate.
Yeah it's funny how American liberals and feminists are the ones standing up for Muslims every time and the conservatives wanted all the muslims deported and yet the average Pakistani thinks liberals and feminists are the ones who are against Islam. Most LGBTQ people support muslim rights as well but Pakistani Muslims proudly support the conservatives like Jordon Peterson and Ben Shapiro for speaking against liberals not realising that they also believe most Muslims are terrorists 🤡
I was arguing with a Muslim paki right here that hates gays and LGBT when they are the ones who have pro Palestine in their bios....sometimes immigrant Muslims deserves no respect when they come to the west only to hate what makes their country free and accepting towards immigrants...yet somehow support and vote for Republicans who's policies is strict on immigration and supports Russia and Isreal lol. Well Muhammad was right about Muslim women. They are deficient in the brain
Hating liberals means hating personal liberty and freedom of expression..which knowing Muslims that hate music and art I can tell why
NA liberals and the conservatives are more or less in the same pro israeli group, the leftists socialists and communists are against an apartheid state, you can see that how the republican speaker Mike Johnson and the democratic majority leader Chuck Schumer both invited Netanyahu to the congress last week. being said that there are some left wing democrats that are against netanyahu bt just to that extent like bernie sanders and Ilhan Omar.
I'm more talking about the common people. Look at the pro Palestine protests on YouTube at campus schools. All liberals. And read the comments of bitter right wingers making fun of the young students for standing against isreal. Huge majority of liberals are pro Palestine and even put the hashtag under their bio. Can't say the same for most right wingers . Idk if you guys use social media everyday. Heck you can join liberal subreddits here and they all condemn Isreal and make fun of zionists
Because no one here knows what liberal means. No one has ever googled it. They have seen it being used in some context, picked it up without knowing its actual meaning and keep using it. My political affiliations are far from liberalism but I get called "liberal" because of my personal opinions.
It's like the word liberal and woke is used as a scapegoat for the religious to blame something that they don't understand into problems they create themselves
Same. I have nothing against beard, infact I respect it.
But i once said that if there's a bearded guy and a clean shaven guy, i wouldn't blindly trust the bearded guy more over the non-bearded guy, for all I know, the non-bearded guy might be a better person and the bearded one a fraud. Having a beard doesn't necessarily make you a more trustable person. I have met people with beards committing frauds, so it all comes down to how the man is.
That was it, I was called a liberal for this by someone
Brother no hate but i think this guys is Indian and she posted to many things in different sub reddit. Just want maybe attention and all.
I seen his comments on cuck old name subreddit that in Islam women get freedom for her need.
And if husband divorce they can't marry.
I think op is a 16-17 year old boy who get internet easily (you know internet is 20rs per gb here in India )
No hate to your community but op need mental treatment
This is classic information war.
Create Indian sounding account name, go Pakistan sub , says something about Israeli crime, blaming moderate Pakistanis for it ...
Classic.
Couldn’t agree with you more. The sheer maliciousness and vulgarity of some of the hate I’ve experienced Pakistani people display at not even serious issues, but rather just for the fun of it has always left me completely shook.
Pakistan has a habit of antagonizing a specific strata whether it's on the basis of geography, ethnicity, religion, or ideology and making them the others on whom everyone can spew out hate and frustration, blaming them for all the issues. First it was the hindus, then commies, then the focus shifted towards Ahmedis (which still is, pretending that they control all the state machinery) and the new thing is liberals. Most of the people have no knowledge of what liberalism is and who the liberals are but they just jump on the bandwagon of hating and associating all sorts of vile things with them as they are some kind of monsters. Smh
Islam has told you the rights and wrongs. You don't need to be a liberal. Liberals have no ideology that they follow. Y'all will accept anything. Islam is the ideology that tells what to accept and what not
Islam, like any religion, is based in tons of different interpretations. For example, female genital mutilation is considered as a disgusting act in Pakistan but is widely practiced in Muslim Africa using Islamic justifications.
Liberals are spineless Muslims that are too "accepting". Listen, if you accept everything then wtf do you even stand for. Not everything needs to be tolerated.
Idiots like OP just make those situation worse. Religion should not impact one's stand on Palestine. It is an issue of justice, anticolonalism and human decency.
If Palestinians weren't predominantly Muslim would OP not care about them? What does that say about OPs morals?
Idk what this has to do with Pakistani liberals? Are you saying they reject this news or that they support it?
Btw, Pakistan has been doing similar torture of civilians for many years in FATA regions, mostly Pashtuns. That was when I stopped “worshipping” the army and nationalism.
Edit: not to forget the fact that now it’s an open secret that Pakistan sent at least 70000 tank shells to Israel in the current war via USA mediation.
"LiBeRaLz bAd"
I'm a liberal and I support Palestine and all other countries suffering (Congo, Haiti, Sudan) with my heart and I completely denounce Israel for their evil actions.
Is that so? I’m not a liberal but I’ve seen them doing more than the so called flag bearers of Islam.
Taliban have been silent since the genocide started. Not a word of condemnation, calling it an internal matter. Saudis partying. TLP has never been quieter. Clerics, Sunni & Shia, barely ever mention Palestine. They could raise so much funds but won’t bother.
Right wingers are only active when it comes to lynching their minorities, basically because they’re weak and can’t retaliate. They would never call out someone powerful. They’re biggest hypocrites. Jihad farz hua wa hai but let them forcefully convert Hindu minors and burn Christians of their country alive first 👍
You don't have to be Muslim to support Palestine you just have to be human
The thing the post is highlighting is the fact that many Pakistanis that claim to be liberal are on these subreddits constantly discouraging the support of Palestine saying things like if you boycott isreal you should also boycott everyother nation or country that has done something bad or you are hypocrites or that we should not support Palestine because it's accepting our foreign relations which is completely untrue it is not effecting our economy or relations in a bad way as most of the world stands with Palestine and many in Asia do to and if we were to denounce Palestine it would be the worst possible move
The eff does it have to do with liberals? I am sorry I don't support your four marriages sir? Liberals and feminists have been against Israel since this started. I have literally never met a person that is liberal and they support israel. Get your head out of your TLP a**
every leftist i know supports palestine, every ‘fake muslim’ does so too. likewise, so does every ‘real’ muslim. the only difference between the two is that one is pushing an agenda, the other is a leftist.
For what it’s worth, Unrwa is almost entirely made up of Palestinians. It is not the same as other UN agencies, usually comprised of citizens of varied origin. The organization has been criticized for and is being investigated for not being impartial, and for collaborating with Hamas. Again, for what it’s worth
Pakistanis crying about Israel committing genocide while their own government is actively committing genocide will never not be hilarious to me. Maybe start your activism at home and save the balochs from your own government before you worry about the genocide thousands of miles away
Muslims the kings of whataboutism when westerners point out their barbaric men beating women over a book...then complain about the west who gave woman too much rights and accept you immigrants only to disrespect the west culture yet.you always want your own culture to be respected despite breaching human rights
Have you forgotten all the crimes done by Palestinians (both Muslim and Christian)? In the riots of 1929, who attacked first and massacred Jews in Palestine? Have we forgotten all the rocket attacks, the suicide bombings, plane hijackings, bomb blasts, car attacns in Israel and on Jews in foreign country (see the blasts in Buenos Aires or Panama, the Munich massacre, Vienna raid)? Have we forgotten the brutality of the Second Intifada? Have we forgotten the cruel attack on October 7 in which 700+ civilians were murdered?
In 1947-8, the Jews fully accepted the Partition Plan and demanded only half of Mandate Palestine. The Arabs gave the slogan 'Drive the Jews to the sea'. The king of Jordan broke his agreement with the Zionists.
The Arabs refused to recognize Israel, and carried out hostile acts against Israel leading to multiple wars.
The Jews were ready for peace at the UN Plan, and at the pre-1967 border too. It was always the Arabs who refused and backed terrorism against Israel.
Why did the Oslo Peace Process collapse? Wasn't it due to Hamas and Fatah's terrorism?
If Palestinians were liberal and rational, they would not have been suffering like this.
BTW, if you are wondering I support the creation of an independent Palestinian state in West Bank and Gaza. Netanyahu should be hanged for his crimes
1947-48 partition plan was extremely unfair. 32% population was given 56% of land and even then the Palestinian land was divided. Arabs refused to accept Israel because it was European colonial project.
I assume you're from India, I want you to imagine this, Rohingyan refugees start flocking in India with weapons and start acts of terrorism. They want to create a separate state. They start a war on local population. They start genociding local population and force them out of their land it was 80% in Palestine's case but for hypothetical they kill/force out 20% of local population. For ceasefire UN proposes a plan that they'll give 56% of India's land to the refugees. Would you be saying same shit? Can you imagine Indians being peaceful with them.
Oslo peace process collapsed 'cause Israeli prime minister was assasinated by right wing zionist extremists. Hamas gained support because the peaceful PLO was not given any importance by natenyahu government. You can literally see a video Natenyahu accepting all this. Israel didn't leave a peace option for Palestenians. Hamas didn't even win by a huge margin in elections. There is no Hammas in West Bank and I can show you attrocities Israel is committing there.
You do realise that the state of Israel and Zionism was built on the intention of committing a genocide. So you are saying that, when the Palestinians resisted the Zionist invasion, they were doing something wrong. Even in the early 1920s, if you read Zionist sources, you will know that the creation of Israel was sold as “a land, without a People for a people without a Land“ which is obviouslyfalse and denied altogether the existence of Palestinian people. This also meant that they could ethnically cleanse, eradicate and massacre all the Palestinians, because for them, Palestinians did not exist.
The Arab world is huge - Palestine is the smallest country out of all the Arab countries. Moreover, most of Mandate Palestine had been already carved to create the Kingdom of Transjordan. So it is not 'half of property'. Moreover, most of the land alloted to Jews was the Negev desert where very few Arabs lived.
Also, do the British have right to do terrorism against the 2 million Pakistanis living there? British people have a right to enter their houses and kill them like in the 1929 Hebron massacre?
I think it was Bill Maher who said this, but This is a common thing around historically speaking. Europeans invaded native American land, aboriginal Australian land, South Americas, so on. Not saying it is justified or anything but thats how the world works
The only problem is that the Palestinians have not been able to move. You don't see native Americans whining about their land being invaded by White Americans, do you? They accepted it as a fact and have been living peacefully with them ever since.
What y'all don't get is, Palestine is never going to get freed from the river to the see. It is just not possible. The only thing possible is the two state solution
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> but its the world who made muslims extrmeist..
By the same logic people can say Palestinians made Israelis terrorists.
We all know both of them are false.
More Hamas propaganda to cover up the atrocities they committed on innocent Israelis during the pogrom and also their own citizens who they use as human shields.
Mods really got to stop posts like this being made or at least have these people first answer the question: "What is liberal / liberalism" then let a teacher check the answer before letting them post there ignorant narrative. Every hour there is a "libtard" or "liberandu" posts.....
Honestly this shouldn't even be the breaking point.
After 8 months of murder, there is only one thing alone.
Either you have humanity and support Palestinians or you are a rabid dog that butchers children and should be ostracized.
Ok I'm done with this subreddit, there's clearly some agenda going on, the amount of toxic posts, on here is just getting out of hand. The mods need to wake up, or we'll become the next cesspool which is r/Pakistan.
I am hell of pissed from these hypocrites who work and spend for some fame. You think that blocking the streets of already over crowded traffic is going to help Palestine? Here's an idea, why dont you strengthen your own economy, correct your own politicians and then go ahead talking about freeing Palestinians huh?
Wearing hats of Palestine, waving flags, this is not helping. Its a waste of money in an economy already sinking. These types of people who 'demonstrate' their feelings gave the same treatment to our kashmiri brothers when they were in a curfew and once the heat of the event died down, not even a single demonstrator is talking about kashmiris. Go and learn to stand by morals first.
The sole solution to Palestinian problem is that strong leaders like Imran Khan are brought who do not fear death. These demonstrators are just in for fame.
For real this isn't a big surprise. Detainees aka prisoners of war, are usually victims of this stuff, no matter the country who is capturing or being captured. It's just a common thing not only in recent wars, but all throughout history. Imagine being nice to people who were once trying to kill you and now you have them captured as prisoners. It's happened to any soldier that has been captured by enemy forces. They just don't end up talking about it bc they're usually men, who are embarrassed and have a plethora of other psych side effects from the messed up stuff they've seen, done and had done to them. History will always repeat itself.
Islam does not sanction excommunication of Muslims who profess their Islamic faith and perform the ritual pillars of Islam. Stop creating unnecessary fitna.
Why has the word liberal become a slur almost in Pakistan followed by the word feminist? Like those are good things considering what a cesspool of hardliners Pakistan is
Cowards so called dummy muslims not afraid of the END OF TIME AND SPACE but; afraid of evils zionist's cum us allies having nukes to show and encash dollars/dajjal and slaughtered innocents civilians why they raise voise for their own Human Rights and against attrocities committed by evils zionist's cum us allies against innocents civilians Palestinians
Bro secular commies have been at the forefront of the battle against Zionist imperialism. The communists in my country Lebanon and Palestine fought hard against Israel. Just because we are secular and don’t want a genocidal war against the yahood, doesn’t mean we support Israel. Many of my Palestinian friends are agnostic or not practicing. The issue of Palestine is still important to them. The issue of Palestine is also important to most ARAB Christians. I love the support from the broader Muslim world, but we are not fighting a religious war which is Muslim vs Yahood. We are fighting against imperialism, occupation, and colonialism. There is a religious element, but this is much more nationalistic in nature. If it were Bosnian European Muslims doing what Israel does today, we would fight them just the same. I am personally secular, Arab, Lebanese, and of a Christian background. Despite this, opposing Israel is very important to me. Is Israel bombing your country because it is bombing mine.
My only request , is please please please, verify the sources of this information....there is so much disinformation going around, it's crazy!!! please also remember , while disinformation can support you, it can also be used against you!!!
Hahahah! This looks like you typed it off of the computer. Source please ? Keep in mind who is sexually sick - ie married a 7yr old ?? Who did that again ?
Why does not Hamas return the Israeli citizens?
Why did Hamas spend 100s of millions of their tax payers money on tunnels and not education or health?
Why do Palestinians accept Hamas and not peace?
Why can't Palestinians accept the existence of Israel?
Or do people think that Israel will do nothing?
The solution is for Hamas to be out of power, accept the existence of Israel and allow their young people the opportunity to make the best out of their lives
stop the antisemite bullshit. Always spreading fake news. Go fix your horrible country first instead of spreading lies about real democracies . We know you are famous for burning christians
HA HA HA HA. Such bullshit. Stupid moron here listening to Al Jizzzerah and news stations like PressTV and RT. Keep on lying to yourself and others these lies about Israel. Doesn’t matter, Israel will finish this war once and for all!
You realize most Pakistani liberals and leftists support Palestine right? Like Palestine is something which unites both the left and the right here.
The word liberal in Pakistan just means 'potential atheists who disagree with me' or 'delusional women who believe they should have the same rights as men'. Honestly this qoum is so jaahil, it's barely worth engaging with these people.
Yes this. Liberal= baddd 🤡🤡🤡🤡 Liberal= feminist = baddddd 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 Liberal= not a mullah= baddddd 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
They are just tired of people who are teaching this so called thing “Islam - the hand me down version”
So they shouldn't be having same rights?
Wow your comprehension of the English language sucks. Notice how that entire clause is within apostrophes.
You expect Muslims to use social media or be educated lol? They only get their info from toxic scholars who are as corrupt as our politicians
Bruh.. stop creating hate.. if you use social media right, and try to figure authentic post, I believe it gives better education than the molvi in Masjid..
This subreddit is literally creating hate and distance between every non Muslim and Muslim themselves. Insulting liberals when they literally support Palestine and immigrants . I just can't stand these logical fallacies in these posts.
This whole forum is totally filled with such characters. I don’t think they are even ‘Pakistani’.
If they're creating hate, r U creating peace?? Lmao
And I think I don't deny the fact that non-muslims are the ones provoking Muslims for extreme steps.. Just like your comment that said "you expect Muslims to be educated....." Provoked me a bit.. you even called our scholars "corrupt".. creating hate by yourself doesn't make you the supporter of peace .
I would say Pakistani leftists are the true Palestine supporters as they come from a secular perspective. Meanwhile Islamists are just the Muslim version of Zionists.
Or world wide liberals supporting.... actually its not even a left right issue to begin with. A national belief
and yet can even do shit for their own country.
https://preview.redd.it/9sh1dbxj645d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0e36451c7615720b38c2e05e71a00a5b03b133e Op??
What the actual fuck
That little punk. Was he raised in a gutter. Looks like his mother was never there to take care of him.
More like his father was never around to best his mother to take care of him. /s
I'm literally fucking rolling on the floor dying of laughter 😂😂😂
OP's brain is cooked
Ahhhh, I was confused. But now it all makes sense 😂
They avg teen mindset. I can confirm op need attention here. He is Indian most probably and posting everything on different subreddit. Soon after year there will no religion people will fight for there fanatsy.
he's literally talking about his friend on the bus being a modi supporter.
Indian here. He is an Indian Hindu.
So ? What you can do ? Should I give you my address if you want to do something ?
Lmao what the hell
This guy is an example of fake muslim
the moment you realize OP got to the Palestine story not coz he was looking up Palestine but because he was searching for something else
That some plot twist
Wth. Astaqfurullah. Why did I have to read this.
Liberals, LGBTQs, atheists are all actually on the side of Palestine against Israel war crimes So are "Liberals, Pakistani fake muslims" You just got triggered because not everyone is going "deAth to amreeKa" or "kiLl aLl YahOdis" or asking to boycott local made ktems because the brand is foreign terming it "israeli products"
It's funny since only right wingers and consevestives are pro Isreal and every time I see a liberal saying they support Palestine on social media all right wingers gather and mock the person... Well since Muslims are right wing they can't say no to Republicans
and praise jordan peterson at the same time lol
Still better than your aalims, who haven't dare to raise awareness. Thanks to these libreals.
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It's always US vs THEM tribal mindset that they project onto us
What the hell do you think a liberal is? I have seen so many posts that try to make out liberals as pro Israel. There is no connection between liberalism and Israel. Why can't people like OP understand this? I don't know if Israel does this and I will research it but if it does this, then it's the most vile action done even against proven terrorists. But to do this against civilians, my goodness the demons who do this must take a thousand sleeping pills at night just for an hour of sleep.
OP is a braindead conservative who doesn't know anything about liberalism and doesn't want to know either. He just knows liberalism is against his values so he just hates it because conservatives don't have the critical thinking skills and they are incapable of admitting they are wrong about something.
Muslims biggest enemies are liberals and feminist..because what they fear is not being able to beat woman to death like farkhunda malikzada and get away with it You don't see us filthy atheist liberals beating woman to death here in Canada lol
Israel is as illiberal as it gets. Even by western standards it’s only liberal as far as the neoliberal American establishment (which would be center right in any decent country) is concerned. An apartheid state based on ethnonationalism is very much on the right, even if they do have LGBTQ flags flying in Tel Aviv.
That wasn't my point. My point was that nowadays a lot of people like to paint whatever they don't like as liberal as if that's an insult. My comment was about exposing this ignorance of liberalism as a strand of thought that stretches over 350 years.
Who gonna tell him that you can be a liberal and still support Palestine
Literally all pro Palestine protests in America is done by liberals lol. Muslims are so blind they ignore the Republicans supporting not only Putin war but Isreal aswell...wtf
This is what’s funny. Also “fake Pakistanis” is a label now? Just because you do not support democratic law?
This subreddit is full of uneducated people just insulting liberals and each other I don't get it the facts are literally everywhere on social media. I keep reading youtube comments about liberals protesting for Palestine and right wingers just spew their hate under the comments and scream maga or trump 2024 lol. Also liberals are also pro immigration so it's ironic how the ones inviting Muslims in America are being hated now....trump is strict on anti immigration but they ignore that
I think 95% of the people did not bother to read half the articles and evidences of the thousands available out on the internet. I think 95% of the people are uninformed and just chose a side based on what they thought was right, based on the information they got from their social circles. I think 95% of the uninformed people are also spewing hate.
Yeah it's funny how American liberals and feminists are the ones standing up for Muslims every time and the conservatives wanted all the muslims deported and yet the average Pakistani thinks liberals and feminists are the ones who are against Islam. Most LGBTQ people support muslim rights as well but Pakistani Muslims proudly support the conservatives like Jordon Peterson and Ben Shapiro for speaking against liberals not realising that they also believe most Muslims are terrorists 🤡
I was arguing with a Muslim paki right here that hates gays and LGBT when they are the ones who have pro Palestine in their bios....sometimes immigrant Muslims deserves no respect when they come to the west only to hate what makes their country free and accepting towards immigrants...yet somehow support and vote for Republicans who's policies is strict on immigration and supports Russia and Isreal lol. Well Muhammad was right about Muslim women. They are deficient in the brain Hating liberals means hating personal liberty and freedom of expression..which knowing Muslims that hate music and art I can tell why
NA liberals and the conservatives are more or less in the same pro israeli group, the leftists socialists and communists are against an apartheid state, you can see that how the republican speaker Mike Johnson and the democratic majority leader Chuck Schumer both invited Netanyahu to the congress last week. being said that there are some left wing democrats that are against netanyahu bt just to that extent like bernie sanders and Ilhan Omar.
I'm more talking about the common people. Look at the pro Palestine protests on YouTube at campus schools. All liberals. And read the comments of bitter right wingers making fun of the young students for standing against isreal. Huge majority of liberals are pro Palestine and even put the hashtag under their bio. Can't say the same for most right wingers . Idk if you guys use social media everyday. Heck you can join liberal subreddits here and they all condemn Isreal and make fun of zionists
What does this have to do with liberals? Its mainly religion that makes people declare war and etc. not liberalism.
Because no one here knows what liberal means. No one has ever googled it. They have seen it being used in some context, picked it up without knowing its actual meaning and keep using it. My political affiliations are far from liberalism but I get called "liberal" because of my personal opinions.
It's like the word liberal and woke is used as a scapegoat for the religious to blame something that they don't understand into problems they create themselves
Same. I have nothing against beard, infact I respect it. But i once said that if there's a bearded guy and a clean shaven guy, i wouldn't blindly trust the bearded guy more over the non-bearded guy, for all I know, the non-bearded guy might be a better person and the bearded one a fraud. Having a beard doesn't necessarily make you a more trustable person. I have met people with beards committing frauds, so it all comes down to how the man is. That was it, I was called a liberal for this by someone
to these people, liberals = anti islam = support Israel. What an idiot
Don't project your insecurities on to another group.
Relax liberals OP is still stupid.
Hamas did the same. So what is your point? So Hamas are equally evil?
Nah Hamas are way better
Hummus?
As a OSP liberal I have likely been to more protest rallies in support of Palestine than a pious you in Pakistan.
Pretty sure liberals are the ones supporting palestine rn.
Fake Muslims?? Why u commenting on fucking hentai and role play subs asking people to fuck you? Try talking about that in conservative Islamic circles
To be religious is to be a hypocrite
Brother no hate but i think this guys is Indian and she posted to many things in different sub reddit. Just want maybe attention and all. I seen his comments on cuck old name subreddit that in Islam women get freedom for her need. And if husband divorce they can't marry. I think op is a 16-17 year old boy who get internet easily (you know internet is 20rs per gb here in India ) No hate to your community but op need mental treatment
This is classic information war. Create Indian sounding account name, go Pakistan sub , says something about Israeli crime, blaming moderate Pakistanis for it ... Classic.
I have tons of disagreements with Pakistani liberals but associating them with something as vile as this is purest form of evil
Couldn’t agree with you more. The sheer maliciousness and vulgarity of some of the hate I’ve experienced Pakistani people display at not even serious issues, but rather just for the fun of it has always left me completely shook.
Pakistan has a habit of antagonizing a specific strata whether it's on the basis of geography, ethnicity, religion, or ideology and making them the others on whom everyone can spew out hate and frustration, blaming them for all the issues. First it was the hindus, then commies, then the focus shifted towards Ahmedis (which still is, pretending that they control all the state machinery) and the new thing is liberals. Most of the people have no knowledge of what liberalism is and who the liberals are but they just jump on the bandwagon of hating and associating all sorts of vile things with them as they are some kind of monsters. Smh
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Islam has told you the rights and wrongs. You don't need to be a liberal. Liberals have no ideology that they follow. Y'all will accept anything. Islam is the ideology that tells what to accept and what not
Islam, like any religion, is based in tons of different interpretations. For example, female genital mutilation is considered as a disgusting act in Pakistan but is widely practiced in Muslim Africa using Islamic justifications.
Liberals are spineless Muslims that are too "accepting". Listen, if you accept everything then wtf do you even stand for. Not everything needs to be tolerated.
You forgot to add /s at the end
lol what’s with this strawman bullshit? Liberals have been speaking up against all atrocities. It is mullahs whose credentials are questionable.
Idiots like OP just make those situation worse. Religion should not impact one's stand on Palestine. It is an issue of justice, anticolonalism and human decency. If Palestinians weren't predominantly Muslim would OP not care about them? What does that say about OPs morals?
Idk what this has to do with Pakistani liberals? Are you saying they reject this news or that they support it? Btw, Pakistan has been doing similar torture of civilians for many years in FATA regions, mostly Pashtuns. That was when I stopped “worshipping” the army and nationalism. Edit: not to forget the fact that now it’s an open secret that Pakistan sent at least 70000 tank shells to Israel in the current war via USA mediation.
acha aur?
Retard doesn't know what the term Liberal means
"LiBeRaLz bAd" I'm a liberal and I support Palestine and all other countries suffering (Congo, Haiti, Sudan) with my heart and I completely denounce Israel for their evil actions.
OP is sick minded for sure.
What liberals have to do with this?
They won't have a say, whenever it's Israelis as the aggressors.
Is that so? I’m not a liberal but I’ve seen them doing more than the so called flag bearers of Islam. Taliban have been silent since the genocide started. Not a word of condemnation, calling it an internal matter. Saudis partying. TLP has never been quieter. Clerics, Sunni & Shia, barely ever mention Palestine. They could raise so much funds but won’t bother. Right wingers are only active when it comes to lynching their minorities, basically because they’re weak and can’t retaliate. They would never call out someone powerful. They’re biggest hypocrites. Jihad farz hua wa hai but let them forcefully convert Hindu minors and burn Christians of their country alive first 👍
Liberals literally support Palestine and have protests everywhere....it's right wingers that are mad liberals keep saying they love Palestine lol.
It’s actually the liberals who want to free Palestine. The conservatives stand with Israel. You are flipping the connotation based on context.
It's what im saying
No
That guy definitely can't read
You don't have to be Muslim to support Palestine you just have to be human The thing the post is highlighting is the fact that many Pakistanis that claim to be liberal are on these subreddits constantly discouraging the support of Palestine saying things like if you boycott isreal you should also boycott everyother nation or country that has done something bad or you are hypocrites or that we should not support Palestine because it's accepting our foreign relations which is completely untrue it is not effecting our economy or relations in a bad way as most of the world stands with Palestine and many in Asia do to and if we were to denounce Palestine it would be the worst possible move
The eff does it have to do with liberals? I am sorry I don't support your four marriages sir? Liberals and feminists have been against Israel since this started. I have literally never met a person that is liberal and they support israel. Get your head out of your TLP a**
Did they tell this to you in the madarsa?
every leftist i know supports palestine, every ‘fake muslim’ does so too. likewise, so does every ‘real’ muslim. the only difference between the two is that one is pushing an agenda, the other is a leftist.
Worldwide Liberals including Indian Liberals are pissed with Isreal and supporting Palistanians. Bolna kya chahte ho bhai?
For God's sake, go educate yourself on the political spectrum and what right, centre and left means. "liberal" ko aise gaali bana kar paesh kya hua
So in your head a liberal and pro-Israel are the same?
The ziotards supporters dont care mate They the actual trash of humanity
I lost brain-cells reading the caption
For what it’s worth, Unrwa is almost entirely made up of Palestinians. It is not the same as other UN agencies, usually comprised of citizens of varied origin. The organization has been criticized for and is being investigated for not being impartial, and for collaborating with Hamas. Again, for what it’s worth
I don't get it Are you saying liberals who support Palestine, don't support Palestine?
Yeah I think you may need to go learn what a leftist is before posting shit takes on the internet….
America did this too - for pakistani terrorists in Guantanamo. Lets cry some more for them /s
I still don't get what element of liberalism relates with supporting genocide. I can't find q single reason to.
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Pakistanis crying about Israel committing genocide while their own government is actively committing genocide will never not be hilarious to me. Maybe start your activism at home and save the balochs from your own government before you worry about the genocide thousands of miles away
OP trying to make people embrace tribalism 🤭 how gullible do you think people are?
Did Americans also make 49 Muslim men beat and stone a woman to death over a accusation of burning printed book? farkhunda malikzada is crying
15000 children death is more important u can justify something by presenting another case that some confined mid set of yours
Muslims the kings of whataboutism when westerners point out their barbaric men beating women over a book...then complain about the west who gave woman too much rights and accept you immigrants only to disrespect the west culture yet.you always want your own culture to be respected despite breaching human rights
bro i accept that beating of women is bad but it doesnt justify the killing and rape of many women u have to agree with that atleast
Have you forgotten all the crimes done by Palestinians (both Muslim and Christian)? In the riots of 1929, who attacked first and massacred Jews in Palestine? Have we forgotten all the rocket attacks, the suicide bombings, plane hijackings, bomb blasts, car attacns in Israel and on Jews in foreign country (see the blasts in Buenos Aires or Panama, the Munich massacre, Vienna raid)? Have we forgotten the brutality of the Second Intifada? Have we forgotten the cruel attack on October 7 in which 700+ civilians were murdered? In 1947-8, the Jews fully accepted the Partition Plan and demanded only half of Mandate Palestine. The Arabs gave the slogan 'Drive the Jews to the sea'. The king of Jordan broke his agreement with the Zionists. The Arabs refused to recognize Israel, and carried out hostile acts against Israel leading to multiple wars. The Jews were ready for peace at the UN Plan, and at the pre-1967 border too. It was always the Arabs who refused and backed terrorism against Israel. Why did the Oslo Peace Process collapse? Wasn't it due to Hamas and Fatah's terrorism? If Palestinians were liberal and rational, they would not have been suffering like this. BTW, if you are wondering I support the creation of an independent Palestinian state in West Bank and Gaza. Netanyahu should be hanged for his crimes
Nahi Bhai. Aap Israeli agent ho aur gustakhe rasool. /S
Rasool ne khud itni gustakhiyan kar rakhi, mere liye to kuch chora hi nahin 😂
1947-48 partition plan was extremely unfair. 32% population was given 56% of land and even then the Palestinian land was divided. Arabs refused to accept Israel because it was European colonial project. I assume you're from India, I want you to imagine this, Rohingyan refugees start flocking in India with weapons and start acts of terrorism. They want to create a separate state. They start a war on local population. They start genociding local population and force them out of their land it was 80% in Palestine's case but for hypothetical they kill/force out 20% of local population. For ceasefire UN proposes a plan that they'll give 56% of India's land to the refugees. Would you be saying same shit? Can you imagine Indians being peaceful with them. Oslo peace process collapsed 'cause Israeli prime minister was assasinated by right wing zionist extremists. Hamas gained support because the peaceful PLO was not given any importance by natenyahu government. You can literally see a video Natenyahu accepting all this. Israel didn't leave a peace option for Palestenians. Hamas didn't even win by a huge margin in elections. There is no Hammas in West Bank and I can show you attrocities Israel is committing there.
You do realise that the state of Israel and Zionism was built on the intention of committing a genocide. So you are saying that, when the Palestinians resisted the Zionist invasion, they were doing something wrong. Even in the early 1920s, if you read Zionist sources, you will know that the creation of Israel was sold as “a land, without a People for a people without a Land“ which is obviouslyfalse and denied altogether the existence of Palestinian people. This also meant that they could ethnically cleanse, eradicate and massacre all the Palestinians, because for them, Palestinians did not exist.
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The Arab world is huge - Palestine is the smallest country out of all the Arab countries. Moreover, most of Mandate Palestine had been already carved to create the Kingdom of Transjordan. So it is not 'half of property'. Moreover, most of the land alloted to Jews was the Negev desert where very few Arabs lived. Also, do the British have right to do terrorism against the 2 million Pakistanis living there? British people have a right to enter their houses and kill them like in the 1929 Hebron massacre?
I think it was Bill Maher who said this, but This is a common thing around historically speaking. Europeans invaded native American land, aboriginal Australian land, South Americas, so on. Not saying it is justified or anything but thats how the world works The only problem is that the Palestinians have not been able to move. You don't see native Americans whining about their land being invaded by White Americans, do you? They accepted it as a fact and have been living peacefully with them ever since. What y'all don't get is, Palestine is never going to get freed from the river to the see. It is just not possible. The only thing possible is the two state solution
Its so fun to see Pakistanis talking about human right in other country but doesn't talk about human rights in there own country
Lol
Anyone who actually believes this crap is a libtard moron or a Neo Nazi pedo
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> but its the world who made muslims extrmeist.. By the same logic people can say Palestinians made Israelis terrorists. We all know both of them are false.
Fake news
As a liberal pakistani this does not concern me
More Hamas propaganda to cover up the atrocities they committed on innocent Israelis during the pogrom and also their own citizens who they use as human shields.
Mods really got to stop posts like this being made or at least have these people first answer the question: "What is liberal / liberalism" then let a teacher check the answer before letting them post there ignorant narrative. Every hour there is a "libtard" or "liberandu" posts.....
#AllEyesOnRafah
Salam alakum my brother. Since most Muslim men enjoy fornicating with other men, surely sodomy here is a reward not a punishment?
Have you considered that you're an uneducated, superstitious child that believes in magical fairy tales?
You’re a retard tf. You just felt like making that title it makes no sense. Liberals are pro Palestinian 😭 what Muslim is pro israeli??
And you’re an idiot if you think we need to be like death to jews because saying that is like saying all muslims are terrorists. Dont be a hypocrite
Also this guy is an Indian
Wow out of all the things that didn't happen, this didn't happen the most
HarMkhor hain
Lol. Saudi needs to see this, who sold Palestine land to Jews, Balfour agreement was made with UK for this.
If the prisoners are terrorists, they deserve all the hate and torture. These people beheaded and raped innocents people
Honestly this shouldn't even be the breaking point. After 8 months of murder, there is only one thing alone. Either you have humanity and support Palestinians or you are a rabid dog that butchers children and should be ostracized.
Reddit as a source wow 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂
The leaders of the world will pay for this inshaallah.
Ok I'm done with this subreddit, there's clearly some agenda going on, the amount of toxic posts, on here is just getting out of hand. The mods need to wake up, or we'll become the next cesspool which is r/Pakistan.
Clickbait title
I am hell of pissed from these hypocrites who work and spend for some fame. You think that blocking the streets of already over crowded traffic is going to help Palestine? Here's an idea, why dont you strengthen your own economy, correct your own politicians and then go ahead talking about freeing Palestinians huh? Wearing hats of Palestine, waving flags, this is not helping. Its a waste of money in an economy already sinking. These types of people who 'demonstrate' their feelings gave the same treatment to our kashmiri brothers when they were in a curfew and once the heat of the event died down, not even a single demonstrator is talking about kashmiris. Go and learn to stand by morals first. The sole solution to Palestinian problem is that strong leaders like Imran Khan are brought who do not fear death. These demonstrators are just in for fame.
Wasn't Holy Prophet a liberal in many ways ?
For real this isn't a big surprise. Detainees aka prisoners of war, are usually victims of this stuff, no matter the country who is capturing or being captured. It's just a common thing not only in recent wars, but all throughout history. Imagine being nice to people who were once trying to kill you and now you have them captured as prisoners. It's happened to any soldier that has been captured by enemy forces. They just don't end up talking about it bc they're usually men, who are embarrassed and have a plethora of other psych side effects from the messed up stuff they've seen, done and had done to them. History will always repeat itself.
Made up bullshit with no proof
At least they are not using real penises.
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Islam does not sanction excommunication of Muslims who profess their Islamic faith and perform the ritual pillars of Islam. Stop creating unnecessary fitna.
ABU GHRAIB ALL OVER AGAIN, WHAT THE AMERICANS DID IN IRAQ IS THE SAME THERE ARE COUNTLESS VIDEOS AND IMAGES
Who cares what they do to the baby raping pieces of s***
Y'all deciphered the OP's gibberish? Wtf is he/she/it banging on about?
Why has the word liberal become a slur almost in Pakistan followed by the word feminist? Like those are good things considering what a cesspool of hardliners Pakistan is
Cowards so called dummy muslims not afraid of the END OF TIME AND SPACE but; afraid of evils zionist's cum us allies having nukes to show and encash dollars/dajjal and slaughtered innocents civilians why they raise voise for their own Human Rights and against attrocities committed by evils zionist's cum us allies against innocents civilians Palestinians
who approved this twit?
You still want to negotiate a ceasefire with the enemy? Wipe out the oppressors.
Hmm. Sounds like similar to times of 1400 years ago, “benu quraiza”?
Yes Bcz those banu qureza was in war with muslims
Least Jahil Pakistani right winger take
Source?
Source “trust me bro”
Did IDF learn this from Pakistan Army or Pakistan Army learn this from IDF?
Bro secular commies have been at the forefront of the battle against Zionist imperialism. The communists in my country Lebanon and Palestine fought hard against Israel. Just because we are secular and don’t want a genocidal war against the yahood, doesn’t mean we support Israel. Many of my Palestinian friends are agnostic or not practicing. The issue of Palestine is still important to them. The issue of Palestine is also important to most ARAB Christians. I love the support from the broader Muslim world, but we are not fighting a religious war which is Muslim vs Yahood. We are fighting against imperialism, occupation, and colonialism. There is a religious element, but this is much more nationalistic in nature. If it were Bosnian European Muslims doing what Israel does today, we would fight them just the same. I am personally secular, Arab, Lebanese, and of a Christian background. Despite this, opposing Israel is very important to me. Is Israel bombing your country because it is bombing mine.
Good
My only request , is please please please, verify the sources of this information....there is so much disinformation going around, it's crazy!!! please also remember , while disinformation can support you, it can also be used against you!!!
Hahahah! This looks like you typed it off of the computer. Source please ? Keep in mind who is sexually sick - ie married a 7yr old ?? Who did that again ?
I do not understand right wing interest in sodomy?
I thought you guys were into sodomy?
Why does not Hamas return the Israeli citizens? Why did Hamas spend 100s of millions of their tax payers money on tunnels and not education or health? Why do Palestinians accept Hamas and not peace? Why can't Palestinians accept the existence of Israel? Or do people think that Israel will do nothing? The solution is for Hamas to be out of power, accept the existence of Israel and allow their young people the opportunity to make the best out of their lives
stop the antisemite bullshit. Always spreading fake news. Go fix your horrible country first instead of spreading lies about real democracies . We know you are famous for burning christians
“Real democracies” are fascist, apartheid states according to illiterate, white supremacist freaks.
>illiterate Israel is one of the best educated countries on the planet. As in they are literally #5.
Should have not burned Israeli citizens alive, none of this would have happened
HA HA HA HA. Such bullshit. Stupid moron here listening to Al Jizzzerah and news stations like PressTV and RT. Keep on lying to yourself and others these lies about Israel. Doesn’t matter, Israel will finish this war once and for all!
Cock sucking paki FUCK