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A little quick on the trigger with this one đŹ
It was the slow skate back and picking up the gloves that killed me. Imagine being in that moment, sure you just went down in history as the first winners of the Walter Cup, and then it gets overturned and you have to step back those emotions and get back into game mode. Thatâs gotta be so tough
I can see it going either way. Either a bit of a âwe had our chance and missed itâ disappointment and defeat or âwe had it once, we can have it againâ determination. Iâd love to say every single one of those ladies will just get more motivated and itâll fuel them in game 5, but it doesnât always work like that. Some players thrive in those situations, some donât
I am very excited for game 5 now though
Yeah, I'm not counting out the team that did the reverse sweep to make the finals. They just need to be more aggressive in front of net because they seem afraid to drive in. Also, this was the type of game I was expecting given how well the goalies were playing heading into the series
After game 4 took nearly into a third overtime to be decided, if anyone is counting out either team, I donât get it. Clearly both teams can win, and both goalies can be impressive. Playoff hockey is best hockey
To be blunt, the refs knew that they were deciding who won the game, which meant that one fan base was going to be angry either way. Either Minnesota won based on play on the ice, or Boston won because the review and the call reversal completely killed the momentum Minnesota had and drained both the team and the arena emotionally.
I feel like they decided to give it to Boston because there's another game on Wednesday, whereas if they let the winning goal stand, Boston's fans would be angry all off-season. But if Boston wins because of the kick in the gut that losing game 4 in that way represented, the league is going to lose a lot of its credibility because the refs, not the play on the ice, decided the outcome of the championship.
And if Boston wins on Wednesday, they have to COME BACK into that angry, robbed environment and pretend everything's ok 12 days later.
As long as you recognize that there is a reason why Minnesota fans are upset. Itâs this pattern of the leagues being happy to make a âsmall marketâ team suffer all the bad calls and never get the benefit of the doubt. And feeling like if it had been on the other end of the ice with the cup on the line for Boston, the call on the ice would have stood.
It was the correct call. Very clear goaltender interference. I knew it immediately. If you're looking for a reason to be pissed at the refs (and it really seems like you are), be mad that they even called it on the ice as a goal in the first place.
They can be upset, but they should be upset that their team lost, not because a tainted goal was called back. Iâm an Oilers fan and Iâm constantly losing my mind at McDavid getting hacked with no calls ever going his way, so I get it. But looking for a conspiracy here when most of /r/hockey and even Tessa Bonhomme (who says she thinks the same call would be made in a cup game 7 in the show) just comes off like deflection and not holding the team accountable for not scoring a goal.
God I was having flashbacks to the Bruins/Panthers series. Glad there's at least one pro hockey league that understands goaltender interference.
I really felt bad for that kid they showed at the end though. That very well could have been his first hockey game, and being on the losing end of a game changing call absolutely SUCKS.
We just witnessed the genesis of the biggest (for now) rivalry in the PWHL. Doubly so if BOS takes game 5 (please no). It's kinda neat to have been there for it instead of just joining into it like with most other sports rivalries.
And after round 1 I was sure Montreal was going to be our rivals. I think having such a small league makes it easy for everyone to be your rivals? haha
as a Toronto fan I'm normally morally opposed to supporting any Boston sports team.
However, after the incident taking out Spooner (jury's still out on Zumwinkle's intention even if the hit was 'clean') and likely leading to our hard loss against Minnesota, I need the girls in green to win this. I'm begging lmao.
Idk I think it would be nice to not have rivalries that carry over from the menâs league (BOS vs MTL, BOS vs TOR, MTL vs TOR). Having the ladies get a fresh and totally different rivalry would be awesome.
I am also a Boston fan so I would be extra okay with them taking game 5. đ
I think you have it here! Minne fans are absolutely livid because they think they had the cup stolen from them, and Boston fans are pissed because theyâre being accused of being goons (which they are, and itâs fantastic) and benefiting from crooked officiating.
true hatred makes hockey the best sport in the world.
Minnesota vs. Massachusetts (as states) is a classic hockey rivalry in its own right so this adds fuel to the fire. Theyâve been jockeying the title of âtop US hockey stateâ forever. Minnesota has definitely pulled away in recent years (hence âstate of hockeyâ) but 30 years ago it was not so clear cut. You could argue Michigan has pulled into the number 2 spot in that time. I digress.
It's kind of funny because to the rest of the country, Minnesota is the state of hockey. Here in MA we're like oh, good hockey players come from there. They like hockey too. It would be weird to be rivals with Minnesota because you midwesterners are so damn nice
Yeah, itâs true that Mass flies under the radar a bit. Then youâre like, âholy shit, where else do tiny public high schools have teams?â FWIW Iâm from Worcester.
Am I an awful human that I enjoyed seeing him cry, because it means there's a little boy out there invested enough in a professional women's hockey game to get emotional about a heartbreaking loss? Not in my lifetime did I think that would ever happen.
Nah, he will be fine. And you're absolutely right about the significance of it. It's good to see boys getting invested so much in it too -- women's sports should never be viewed as simply something to "bring your daughters to," it should be "bring your children to."
Completely, and it's been normal and accepted for decades now for female athletes to idolize male athletes - growing up, my favorite player was Jeremy Roenick, and I wanted to BE him, but it has never really been acceptable (and there has not really been opportunity for) boys to idolize female athletes. It's a big deal, and I've always believed getting boys and men to watch women's sports will really be what makes a major difference in the support of women's athletics.
I wish the refs could have made some better calls during the game. The entire series there have been missed calls on both sides as well as phantom calls. I guess hopefully it evens out in the end. What a rollercoaster of emotions that was though.
I think those of us at the Xcel would have had a lot more faith in that call if they had shown any ability to make good calls the rest of the game đ¤ˇđťââď¸ It was really rough to watch.
(Iâm typically very pro-ref)
44 has been terrible all season; I should not have to feel my stomach drop when a ref skates onto the ice. Itâs really a bummer because thereâs no game without refs. Our girls deserve good ones.
Agree. And when the lack of calls start to impact player safety, I have a real problem with that. And enough with the cross-checking, hits after the whistle and stick holding. If Boston wins, itâs because they play dirty and the refs donât call it.
Yeah real easy for people to say the opposite it was nice when it was a 5-2 spread for power play for Minnesota right. I counted multiple extra plays in just the overtime of Minnesota hanging onto sticks after getting beat. Itâs a game good calls and bad calls both teams had ability to win.
Itâs not calling it out as something special. Itâs pointing out complaining about the refs is dumb when you received a significant amount of powerplays and couldnât do anything with them.
90% sure you're being sarcastic, but if you're ever curious who the referees were, they're publicly posted on every professional hockey game report, including their place of birth:
Referees: Jared Cummins (Buffalo, NY) â #1 and Jack Hennigan (Halton Hills, ON) â #44.
Linespersons: Antoine Bujold-Roux (Ottawa, ON) â #72 and Laura Gutauskas (Woolwich, ON) â #68.
Yes, sarcasm/silliness as a Minnesota fan at game 4 in person. Good to know the referee info is posted - thanks! What a tough job. I enjoy watching them work.
1000%. I was there, pretty much on my knees screaming and crying in mad victory joy like a crazy person, and then to have that goal overturned after the INSANE shit Boston got away with all game long was very, very tough. OP said it right: I am gutted, completely.
Seriously. I am so sick of people acting like some missed calls are some egregious offense.
Get over it. And I say that when it's my team too. I literally stopped going to hockey games with certain members of my family because it just turns into three hour bitch sessions about the refs.
I was at my nephew's fucking hockey game (HE'S TEN) and my uncle and brother whined about calls the whole time. My nephew's team was down 1-0 the whole game. Minute and a half left they get a call and go on the PP and score to tie it. Then they score again with like 20 seconds left to win the tournament.
After that everyone is all happy and says what a great day and great game. And it wasn't. It should have been. That would objectively been a fun game to watch. But they literally just whined and bitched and moaned for two hours and then when things went their way, they were happy. Was that really fun for you? Because it didn't sound like it was fun. And it certainly wasn't fun for me. I don't go to my nephew's games anymore.
If whining about officiating is your main takeaway for half the games you watch, get a different hobby. One that brings some joy to your life.
Unfortunately, now it has defined the series. Either Minnesota wins in a hostile arena because they got refballed at home, or Boston wins because they got a refball goal to extend the series in Minnesota.
Even if it was the right call (and it wasn't) bad officiating defined the rest of the game. One correct call doesn't excuse the ref's absolute buffoonery.
>Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
Considering she was tripped, and the action initiated outside the crease, by the rules the goal was good.
Either wave it off immediately or let it stand. Donât let the arena celebrate for five minutes before disallowing the goal and making the game continue. They knew when they did it that they were handing Boston the W.
Absolutely agree it was the correct call. I even told my husband that it was coming off the board immediately after it happened. I also said Minnesota needed to either get a quick one in or get to the intermission to have a chance.
Bummed as a Minnesota fan but am so proud of both goaltenders for playing that well. Game 5 gonna be amazing if the all continue to play like that.
Yup I called Boston coming back and scoring after that. Such a letdown for Minnesota thinking youâd won and then having to get back into it.
My girls and I were hoping Minnesota fans would get to see the Walter Cup on home ice tonight. Good luck Wednesday, hoping for a great game!
The issue is that they should have called no goal on the ice and then reviewed. By calling it good on the ice and letting the celebration start, they basically decided the game because Minny was already celebrating and didn't have time to recenter. I think no goal was the right call, but it was extremely poorly done in the way they managed the whole situation.
This is such a dumb takeâŚ.. obviously that would be the perfect way for it to work, but to say that them calling it a good goal on the ice FOR MONNESOTA was giving the game TO BOSTONâŚ.what?
It's funny seeing Minnesota fans and neutral fans saying the refs are giving it to boston and the refs will and boston the win in game 5. If you've watched the series, it's clear the refs have been terrible in every game on both sides.
Seriously though, I'm a neutral fan (though rooting for Boston since they have the most Canadians) and thought the refs were homers in the first two periods with the shit penalties being called against Boston (after Minnesota did the exact same play moments before and no call e.g. massive body checks)
Even Kenzie, Tessa, and Cheryl agreed it was the right call on the new episode of Jocks in Jills. I know everyone has opinions and whatever, but sometimes itâs good to defer to people who actually know the sport.
So heartbroken for Minny, as a neutral fan. Right call but fuck that hurt.
Incredible game though holy shit.
I'll be rooting for Minny in game 5 for sure now though. They deserve it after that :(
I just donât quite know on this one. I donât fully disagree with the call, but I think that the stick hitting Heisse puts it into the realm where 100% certainty doesnât exist and the call on the ice should have stood. She doesnât fall until getting hit on the pad. If they called interference on the ice, then Iâd say the call on the ice should have stood that way as well.
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Completly fine call, that was textbook goalie interference. I'm just excited we get to see a game 5 finals in our first ever, and I hope it's higher scoring than that game lol
Itâs the Minnesotan way. We out play and should win and then bullshit happens and we lose. Itâs all of our teams.
I want to be proved wrong more than anything else in the entire world, seriously.
Dunno, I'm from Boston and I could see it going either way. We lose and get a double kick in the knackers with the Bruins and PWHL losing in playoffs or PWHL wins and we need to fight for people to care because the Celtics are in the playoffs and a good chunk of the bros aren't into it yet. The only place I saw the Isobel cup banners were at the airport.
Heise's basically an inch away from sitting on the ice before Morin's stick taps her leg. You don't even have to understand physics to know that she's already falling before the love tap.
I have zero skin in the game, whereas you are clearly biased based on your flair. As a ref, I see this play half a dozen times per game, where a player is already falling by the time they are contacted. Great process and call by the on ice crew.
She was not falling. She felt the contact and dove. I have no problem with the overturn as a result. If it's a slash or a trip, it's the chintziest penalty ever and should have been 4 on 4: a trip and an embellishment.
I think she deliberately lost her edge after she felt the contact to try to draw a call in case she didn't score. The falling into the goalie would've been instigated by Boston on the "tripping". But it was a dive.
She lost an edge and made contact with the goalie. It didnât make a difference to the play, that puck was going in anyway. But by the book itâs interference.
There is absolutely no way of knowing whether she wouldâve saved it or not. Therefore, claiming âFrankel wasnât making that save no matter whatâ is just ludicrous. This isnât like the net was empty, it actively had to pass by (an interfered with) goalie to cross the goal line.
I'm not sure how you figure. It wasn't a snipe of a shot, and she's very much solidly in the goalmouth. If she's not knocked off balance, that looks like a shot she's seen all night (which, she's stopped 100% of)
Do you know anything about hockey, or even sports, that you would claim "Frankel wasn't making that save no matter what"? That level of ridiculousness transcends sports.
This is wrong for two reasons: 1) she deliberately fell when she felt the contact and 2) the puck was not going in anyway. I mean on the second point how can you even say that for any kind of certainty?
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The team celebrating victory was really hard to watch. That pending review so painfully obvious...
It was the slow skate back and picking up the gloves that killed me. Imagine being in that moment, sure you just went down in history as the first winners of the Walter Cup, and then it gets overturned and you have to step back those emotions and get back into game mode. Thatâs gotta be so tough
And letting up that goal like a minute afterward⌠I really wonder if itâll affect them come Game 5
I can see it going either way. Either a bit of a âwe had our chance and missed itâ disappointment and defeat or âwe had it once, we can have it againâ determination. Iâd love to say every single one of those ladies will just get more motivated and itâll fuel them in game 5, but it doesnât always work like that. Some players thrive in those situations, some donât I am very excited for game 5 now though
Yeah, I'm not counting out the team that did the reverse sweep to make the finals. They just need to be more aggressive in front of net because they seem afraid to drive in. Also, this was the type of game I was expecting given how well the goalies were playing heading into the series
After game 4 took nearly into a third overtime to be decided, if anyone is counting out either team, I donât get it. Clearly both teams can win, and both goalies can be impressive. Playoff hockey is best hockey
Yeah, this makes game 5 so compelling. Weâre going to find out how mentally tough Minne is.
To be blunt, the refs knew that they were deciding who won the game, which meant that one fan base was going to be angry either way. Either Minnesota won based on play on the ice, or Boston won because the review and the call reversal completely killed the momentum Minnesota had and drained both the team and the arena emotionally. I feel like they decided to give it to Boston because there's another game on Wednesday, whereas if they let the winning goal stand, Boston's fans would be angry all off-season. But if Boston wins because of the kick in the gut that losing game 4 in that way represented, the league is going to lose a lot of its credibility because the refs, not the play on the ice, decided the outcome of the championship. And if Boston wins on Wednesday, they have to COME BACK into that angry, robbed environment and pretend everything's ok 12 days later.
Do you allow for the possibility that it really was goalie interference though?
As long as you recognize that there is a reason why Minnesota fans are upset. Itâs this pattern of the leagues being happy to make a âsmall marketâ team suffer all the bad calls and never get the benefit of the doubt. And feeling like if it had been on the other end of the ice with the cup on the line for Boston, the call on the ice would have stood.
It was the correct call. Very clear goaltender interference. I knew it immediately. If you're looking for a reason to be pissed at the refs (and it really seems like you are), be mad that they even called it on the ice as a goal in the first place.
They can be upset, but they should be upset that their team lost, not because a tainted goal was called back. Iâm an Oilers fan and Iâm constantly losing my mind at McDavid getting hacked with no calls ever going his way, so I get it. But looking for a conspiracy here when most of /r/hockey and even Tessa Bonhomme (who says she thinks the same call would be made in a cup game 7 in the show) just comes off like deflection and not holding the team accountable for not scoring a goal.
"Deflection." You act like I had any impact on the outcome.
Im hoping the 2 days off will help with that
I had a feeling it was over as soon as that happened. I was just praying they would make it to the intermission to reset
It reminds me of the first Spongebob movie, when Mr. Krabs told Spongebob he didn't get the job.
God I was having flashbacks to the Bruins/Panthers series. Glad there's at least one pro hockey league that understands goaltender interference. I really felt bad for that kid they showed at the end though. That very well could have been his first hockey game, and being on the losing end of a game changing call absolutely SUCKS.
He's gonna grow up hating Boston as any good hockey fans should /s
You take that /s back right this minute lol
We just witnessed the genesis of the biggest (for now) rivalry in the PWHL. Doubly so if BOS takes game 5 (please no). It's kinda neat to have been there for it instead of just joining into it like with most other sports rivalries.
And after round 1 I was sure Montreal was going to be our rivals. I think having such a small league makes it easy for everyone to be your rivals? haha
as a Toronto fan I'm normally morally opposed to supporting any Boston sports team. However, after the incident taking out Spooner (jury's still out on Zumwinkle's intention even if the hit was 'clean') and likely leading to our hard loss against Minnesota, I need the girls in green to win this. I'm begging lmao.
Idk I think it would be nice to not have rivalries that carry over from the menâs league (BOS vs MTL, BOS vs TOR, MTL vs TOR). Having the ladies get a fresh and totally different rivalry would be awesome. I am also a Boston fan so I would be extra okay with them taking game 5. đ
I think you have it here! Minne fans are absolutely livid because they think they had the cup stolen from them, and Boston fans are pissed because theyâre being accused of being goons (which they are, and itâs fantastic) and benefiting from crooked officiating. true hatred makes hockey the best sport in the world.
Minnesota vs. Massachusetts (as states) is a classic hockey rivalry in its own right so this adds fuel to the fire. Theyâve been jockeying the title of âtop US hockey stateâ forever. Minnesota has definitely pulled away in recent years (hence âstate of hockeyâ) but 30 years ago it was not so clear cut. You could argue Michigan has pulled into the number 2 spot in that time. I digress.
It's kind of funny because to the rest of the country, Minnesota is the state of hockey. Here in MA we're like oh, good hockey players come from there. They like hockey too. It would be weird to be rivals with Minnesota because you midwesterners are so damn nice
Yeah, itâs true that Mass flies under the radar a bit. Then youâre like, âholy shit, where else do tiny public high schools have teams?â FWIW Iâm from Worcester.
Am I an awful human that I enjoyed seeing him cry, because it means there's a little boy out there invested enough in a professional women's hockey game to get emotional about a heartbreaking loss? Not in my lifetime did I think that would ever happen.
Nah, he will be fine. And you're absolutely right about the significance of it. It's good to see boys getting invested so much in it too -- women's sports should never be viewed as simply something to "bring your daughters to," it should be "bring your children to."
Completely, and it's been normal and accepted for decades now for female athletes to idolize male athletes - growing up, my favorite player was Jeremy Roenick, and I wanted to BE him, but it has never really been acceptable (and there has not really been opportunity for) boys to idolize female athletes. It's a big deal, and I've always believed getting boys and men to watch women's sports will really be what makes a major difference in the support of women's athletics.
Yeah but now he gets to grow up fueled by spite and rage, just like the rest of us hockey fans.
This league makes kids cry.
When it happened, my initial reaction was excitement, then I said âoh, thatâs getting called off.â Ugh. I hate being right about that.
Same, was surprised when the ref waved a good goal on the play.
I wish the refs could have made some better calls during the game. The entire series there have been missed calls on both sides as well as phantom calls. I guess hopefully it evens out in the end. What a rollercoaster of emotions that was though.
I think those of us at the Xcel would have had a lot more faith in that call if they had shown any ability to make good calls the rest of the game đ¤ˇđťââď¸ It was really rough to watch. (Iâm typically very pro-ref)
Same. The refs were just... terrible tonight. No idea how they missed some pretty egregious ones.
44 has been terrible all season; I should not have to feel my stomach drop when a ref skates onto the ice. Itâs really a bummer because thereâs no game without refs. Our girls deserve good ones.
Agree. And when the lack of calls start to impact player safety, I have a real problem with that. And enough with the cross-checking, hits after the whistle and stick holding. If Boston wins, itâs because they play dirty and the refs donât call it.
Yeah real easy for people to say the opposite it was nice when it was a 5-2 spread for power play for Minnesota right. I counted multiple extra plays in just the overtime of Minnesota hanging onto sticks after getting beat. Itâs a game good calls and bad calls both teams had ability to win.
Thatâs a loser mentality. Minnesota went 0/5 on the power play. Blaming the refs lacks any accountability
MN has been terrible on the power play all season. Letâs not call that out as something special to focus on
Itâs not calling it out as something special. Itâs pointing out complaining about the refs is dumb when you received a significant amount of powerplays and couldnât do anything with them.
Put that crew back in the clown car they came in and send them back to beer league. They were atrocious.
Iâm convinced the refs were flown in from Boston and are extremely un-neutral.
90% sure you're being sarcastic, but if you're ever curious who the referees were, they're publicly posted on every professional hockey game report, including their place of birth: Referees: Jared Cummins (Buffalo, NY) â #1 and Jack Hennigan (Halton Hills, ON) â #44. Linespersons: Antoine Bujold-Roux (Ottawa, ON) â #72 and Laura Gutauskas (Woolwich, ON) â #68.
Yes, sarcasm/silliness as a Minnesota fan at game 4 in person. Good to know the referee info is posted - thanks! What a tough job. I enjoy watching them work.
Beer league is too good for them. Bubble hockey at the local dive bar, maybe.
1000%. I was there, pretty much on my knees screaming and crying in mad victory joy like a crazy person, and then to have that goal overturned after the INSANE shit Boston got away with all game long was very, very tough. OP said it right: I am gutted, completely.
Thatâs hockey. Thereâs always shit calls on both sides. You just hope it doesnât define the series.
Seriously. I am so sick of people acting like some missed calls are some egregious offense. Get over it. And I say that when it's my team too. I literally stopped going to hockey games with certain members of my family because it just turns into three hour bitch sessions about the refs. I was at my nephew's fucking hockey game (HE'S TEN) and my uncle and brother whined about calls the whole time. My nephew's team was down 1-0 the whole game. Minute and a half left they get a call and go on the PP and score to tie it. Then they score again with like 20 seconds left to win the tournament. After that everyone is all happy and says what a great day and great game. And it wasn't. It should have been. That would objectively been a fun game to watch. But they literally just whined and bitched and moaned for two hours and then when things went their way, they were happy. Was that really fun for you? Because it didn't sound like it was fun. And it certainly wasn't fun for me. I don't go to my nephew's games anymore. If whining about officiating is your main takeaway for half the games you watch, get a different hobby. One that brings some joy to your life.
Unfortunately, now it has defined the series. Either Minnesota wins in a hostile arena because they got refballed at home, or Boston wins because they got a refball goal to extend the series in Minnesota.
It hasnât. They made the right call there
Even if it was the right call (and it wasn't) bad officiating defined the rest of the game. One correct call doesn't excuse the ref's absolute buffoonery.
Wat. How could that NOT be interference? Based on the rule, please explain how it wasnât a penalty. Iâm all ears
>Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. Considering she was tripped, and the action initiated outside the crease, by the rules the goal was good.
She wasnât tripped at all. Lost her edges on her own there, then crashed into Frankel
You must have the same optometrist as #44.
A light slash across the legs like that is not a cause for being tripped. Source: have been playing hockey for many years
Either wave it off immediately or let it stand. Donât let the arena celebrate for five minutes before disallowing the goal and making the game continue. They knew when they did it that they were handing Boston the W.
Absolutely agree it was the correct call. I even told my husband that it was coming off the board immediately after it happened. I also said Minnesota needed to either get a quick one in or get to the intermission to have a chance. Bummed as a Minnesota fan but am so proud of both goaltenders for playing that well. Game 5 gonna be amazing if the all continue to play like that.
Yup I called Boston coming back and scoring after that. Such a letdown for Minnesota thinking youâd won and then having to get back into it. My girls and I were hoping Minnesota fans would get to see the Walter Cup on home ice tonight. Good luck Wednesday, hoping for a great game!
Iâm glad everyone had ideas of what was happening next I was trying not to hyperventilate
It would have been a lot more tolerable if the reffing hadnât been whale shit the whole game.
I don't disagree with the call, but man, that was a bummer. At least we get more hockey out of it, though!
The issue is that they should have called no goal on the ice and then reviewed. By calling it good on the ice and letting the celebration start, they basically decided the game because Minny was already celebrating and didn't have time to recenter. I think no goal was the right call, but it was extremely poorly done in the way they managed the whole situation.
This is such a dumb takeâŚ.. obviously that would be the perfect way for it to work, but to say that them calling it a good goal on the ice FOR MONNESOTA was giving the game TO BOSTONâŚ.what?
Man these refs really tried to give Boston the game by calling a good goal for Minnesota on a bang bang play
It's funny seeing Minnesota fans and neutral fans saying the refs are giving it to boston and the refs will and boston the win in game 5. If you've watched the series, it's clear the refs have been terrible in every game on both sides.
Seriously though, I'm a neutral fan (though rooting for Boston since they have the most Canadians) and thought the refs were homers in the first two periods with the shit penalties being called against Boston (after Minnesota did the exact same play moments before and no call e.g. massive body checks)
This is perfectly said. I was cheering for Minnesota but felt this in my heart.
That was crazy, right call tho
Crazy finish, but definitely the right call
Even Kenzie, Tessa, and Cheryl agreed it was the right call on the new episode of Jocks in Jills. I know everyone has opinions and whatever, but sometimes itâs good to defer to people who actually know the sport.
So heartbroken for Minny, as a neutral fan. Right call but fuck that hurt. Incredible game though holy shit. I'll be rooting for Minny in game 5 for sure now though. They deserve it after that :(
How exactly can you let a team celebrate for THAT long what an absolute joke display of officiating
iâm glad they didnât have any confetti to clean up, it wouldâve been so devastating
I just donât quite know on this one. I donât fully disagree with the call, but I think that the stick hitting Heisse puts it into the realm where 100% certainty doesnât exist and the call on the ice should have stood. She doesnât fall until getting hit on the pad. If they called interference on the ice, then Iâd say the call on the ice should have stood that way as well.
She was already falling, though. You can see it happening. A tap on the pad at that point wasnât going to do anything.
Falling yes, but not necessarily falling into the crease. The stick comes up and pulls her at the waist, changing the direction she's falling.
She was definitely going into the crease either way.
Looked like she might have hit the goal frame to me, but it's hard to judge. Doesn't really matter though. The call is the call.
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As a Boston fan that game was a rollercoaster of emotions. I can only imagine what Minnesota fans are going through.
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Completly fine call, that was textbook goalie interference. I'm just excited we get to see a game 5 finals in our first ever, and I hope it's higher scoring than that game lol
Calling it now. Boston is winning game 5.
Boo
Itâs the Minnesotan way. We out play and should win and then bullshit happens and we lose. Itâs all of our teams. I want to be proved wrong more than anything else in the entire world, seriously.
Dunno, I'm from Boston and I could see it going either way. We lose and get a double kick in the knackers with the Bruins and PWHL losing in playoffs or PWHL wins and we need to fight for people to care because the Celtics are in the playoffs and a good chunk of the bros aren't into it yet. The only place I saw the Isobel cup banners were at the airport.
Horseshit officiating all night. This call was no different.
She lost the edge after being interfered with. Terrible call
She had the puck, so it wouldnât have been interference. But it also wasnât a trip either, she just lost her edge trying to cut hard to the net.
Not saying it was a trip. But it was the defenders stick that caused her to ultimately topple over.
Thatâs not how physics works, sorry.
So now refs are physics majors? Ok bud
Heise's basically an inch away from sitting on the ice before Morin's stick taps her leg. You don't even have to understand physics to know that she's already falling before the love tap.
That's completely false. She feels the contact and decides to dive.
Not your bud, and hitting someone with a stick doesnât cause them to slide in the *opposite* direction.
That's not how the rules work. No matter how many post you answer to.
Ewww gross. Looking at someoneâs comment history. Weirdo
lol what. Just saw your name pop up a bunch of times, making excuse for a bad goal. There's like 3 of you, getting all the downvotes in each posts.
People from Boston must not have much going on tonight
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Iâd too if I were Montreal. Not even in the finalsâŚgit gud
Other way around. She was already halfway to the ice by the time the D made any sort of light contact
No it was not!
I have zero skin in the game, whereas you are clearly biased based on your flair. As a ref, I see this play half a dozen times per game, where a player is already falling by the time they are contacted. Great process and call by the on ice crew.
She wasnât fucking falling lol.
This shit reeks of astroturf. The league knows the refs were hot garbage for five periods and is trying to control the narrative.
She was not falling. She felt the contact and dove. I have no problem with the overturn as a result. If it's a slash or a trip, it's the chintziest penalty ever and should have been 4 on 4: a trip and an embellishment.
I think she deliberately lost her edge after she felt the contact to try to draw a call in case she didn't score. The falling into the goalie would've been instigated by Boston on the "tripping". But it was a dive.
You don't know skating. Not just hockey, but *skating*.
As usual, lots of blind homers
She lost an edge and made contact with the goalie. It didnât make a difference to the play, that puck was going in anyway. But by the book itâs interference.
Heise was under Frankel's pad when the puck was shot lol in what world is that inconsequential
Frankel wasnât making that save no matter what. Iâm saying it was still interference because of the contact. A lot of soft hockey fans on here.
There is absolutely no way of knowing whether she wouldâve saved it or not. Therefore, claiming âFrankel wasnât making that save no matter whatâ is just ludicrous. This isnât like the net was empty, it actively had to pass by (an interfered with) goalie to cross the goal line.
I'm not sure how you figure. It wasn't a snipe of a shot, and she's very much solidly in the goalmouth. If she's not knocked off balance, that looks like a shot she's seen all night (which, she's stopped 100% of)
Do you know anything about hockey, or even sports, that you would claim "Frankel wasn't making that save no matter what"? That level of ridiculousness transcends sports.
so easily offended by an opinion on sport. Go watch some spittinâ chiclets.
Biz and Whit would break P fans who are new to sports. đ¤Ł
This is wrong for two reasons: 1) she deliberately fell when she felt the contact and 2) the puck was not going in anyway. I mean on the second point how can you even say that for any kind of certainty?