This is Jerribeth and Hepzamirah erasure and 3/4 fem demons pictured are succubi or adjacent (and there are incubi in the game who are also hot), tho I see your point
To be fair if she weren't literally made of filth.... Literally any other type of sl... almost any oth.... At least some other types of slime, and she'd be perfectly hot.
We can't help how we're made.
Well I mean the mortal(s) who became her probably could have made better choices in their lives. But it's a bit late for them.
Can't change the flavor of living material, it is *questionable* if you could target her with purify food/drink, and water breathing is... another one of questionable use. You might be able to make the smell better, at least.
The erasure is done by the game itself. Only pretty demon ladies get to have a portrait. Also, no pretty demon boys get portraits either. The OP point still stands.
Shoot, they do it with Male v Female character portraits available for player characters. Sure there are some attractive options, but at the same time, there isn't a shriveled up lady dwarf with a dead eye or a 50 year old portly woman in armor.
I have that mod too, but the portraits are still fucked up. NPCs like Ciar has a blank shadow portrait and other NPCs have the default no portrait at all. I'm using it with the companion portrait mod so I'm guessing I have to manually add each portrait myself, like you do for the companions. 🙄
There's also evidence that Succubi and Incubi are actually the same thing, and that which is which is entirely a matter of personal preference. (Pops up in a camp conversation between Arue and Daeran.) So actually Arue is also an incubus, or could be if she wanted to at least.
Excuse me, but we do have sexy devils at least.
https://preview.redd.it/b8s6q7b43m6d1.jpeg?width=1225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6902fb43370c36de2b6337795d28b77c4d5d719
There's this one at least, though it's not from the game it's probably from a Paizo book?
https://preview.redd.it/q6hbl6lvjs6d1.png?width=250&format=png&auto=webp&s=c71fd902c8631fa01af7db691d257bec9ce1f975
Arueshalae.
Yes, really. Turns out, incubi and succubi are the same thing, just a matter of personal preference. It pops up in a camp conversation between her and Daeran, with the implication that she could switch at basically any time if she felt like it.
Better not had said it then,cause your examples are biased as fuck
https://preview.redd.it/4lnss4516l6d1.jpeg?width=589&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6afd61df8cb6415f09731940da66b08acc7a24a7
Why not pick a demon that is not a succubus...you know, the kind that is, literally designed to charm people.
I see. This post is specifically about in game characters with portraits so I was curious whether this was a relevant example or unrelated to the post. Appreciate the clarification.
Okay, Lamashtu looks great and all ... but we dont have a portrait for her ingame. This isnt about Paizo's bias, this is about the bias of Owlcat and which demons they give portraits to.
The post shows the male/female variants for the demon mythic portrait, the three demon lords, the primary antagonist of the first two acts, and the only overtly demonic companion (without major spoilers). Yes, incubi exist, and sure, there are plenty ugly demon women. Still, there’s a major discrepancy in how male demons and female demons are presented. Most of the major demon women we meet are either Succubi or Lilitus, and as such, have stories defined by sex and intimacy. Compare this to the major male demons, such as Baphomet or Deskari, who are overtly monstrous and physically imposing. Denying that there’s a definite gap here is bull-headed, and greatly bugs me.
What’s the point though? Are we advocating for DEIA in the Abyss? Are we marching for equal representation for ugly demons? Are we trying to make man demons more marketable? I’m just trying to understand so I know if I need to hear my pink hat when we protest.
True. I had forgotten since I always play female demon. Regardless I prefer the female one since I enjoy playing a more cunning kind of demon, not a raging monster.
i mean im pretty sure some of the random demons you fight are females you just took a 2-3 succubus and... what ever minago is i forget... demons designed to be alurring..."
i mean your point is valid but youre kind of apples and oranging
Minagho is a lilitu. Lilitus are not-quite succubi who rely on temptation and manipulation to achieve their goals.
In Pathfinder they are just lilitus.
And in DnD, Lilitu demons are quite literally born from the ashes of succubi.
So yeah, succubi-adjacent is a pretty fitting word for them.
Generic female demon as imagined by an artist with limited imagination, probably
This is what the world would look like if that portrait was a Marilith instead ;
https://preview.redd.it/neiu8lg5dl6d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5be0f1423dcfca19801b304ab959811d1b8ffd9
I mean the male version is a Balor but we don't get to transform into that. In fact honestly our character models are so dissapointing with the mythic path because it visually just looks like a glamor.
Become a Demon? Oh you are just red with a tail.
Become an Azata or Angel? Wingz baby.
Lich? Oh you just just a skeleton.
Like idk I feel mythic classes need to have mythic appearances ya know.
>I mean the male version is a Balor but we don't get to transform into that. In fact honestly our character models are so dissapointing with the mythic path because it visually just looks like a glamor.
What about >!the beginning of Act 5?!<
>Become a Demon? Oh you are just red with a tail.
Well you get a glowing purple tail, long horns scaley lizard like skin and black Blotches all over your body.
>Like idk I feel mythic classes need to have mythic appearances ya know.
That’s fair some of mythic appearances are very underwhelming with Azata, trickster and angel coming to mind.
i mean that's kinda the point nah? the important female demons are succubi and the important male demons are monsters, cos ofc they are lol. there are a few incubi in the game but none of them are voiced or have art, same with the female monster demons. in fact i'm pretty sure this image is just every voiced demon character unless, i forgot one, so not cherry picked at all like people are saying.
This post really undersells just how hot Baphomet really is.
Overall being bi made the Abyss an...interesting experience. Oh no sexy masculine and feminine demons everywhere! What horror! I sure hope I'm not stuck here forced to ~~drool~~ I mean stare at them for hours on end.
People are talking about Incubi quite a bit, my issue with this comparison is that these are specifically the major demons represented in the game. If you want to make your point use things that in the game-
It's more about the characters being major that's the thing here, do we get the same kind of key art for those uglier female characters? Or even attractive demon men-
you have mephistopholes if you want attractive evil male characters....but he;s not a demon.
As for why so many of the female demons are attractive....simple. We're facing the demon lord of the succubis. Obviously she;s going to have sex demons in her retinue.
There's plenty of sexy male fiends in Pathfinder and D&D. In fact, I'm pretty sure the ones on the left can be female as well, or are straight up genderless.
People are really bending over backwards to not acknowledge that there is a difference between male and female representation among actual characters with meaningful story roles and portraits.
The argument is poorly phrased as there are multiple attractive demons we encounter ... but not with their own portrait. It's a shame Socobenoth doesn't get his own portrait for example or that there isn't a sexy male demon portrait, just the rage type one.
Plenty of incubi too ... but none as important as the female characters in the story. Also sexy demoness are not just ennemies unlike Deskari which was the main antagonist with no redeeming quality. Some could argue Baphomet has a certain appeal though :p
To be fair 3 on the right function like Succubi (two of them actually *ARE* succubi), the ones on the left are more bruiser types.
Their are Incubi who are basically sexy male versions of Succubi but none were main villain material for the campaign.
I mean, two of the female examples are the same type of demon (I. E. Succubi). Minagho is a Lilitu which is basically a Succubus with special features and the KC Demon is just a humanoid creature with demonic features. It's exactly what a Demon KC looks like if she isn't transformed.
(Also the demon KC pic on the left can be used by female characters as well. Female demons can transform into Balrogs too)
Look up Lamashtu or Gyronna for some less humanoid examples of female demons.
No shit that Female demons made to be seducers take form of petite women, and typical fighting demons take more menacing and powerful forms.
But that's just looking at one thing while ignoring everything else, there are plentiful petite male demona (like incubuses), and powerful female demons (like daughters of Babhomet, or the Demon Lord of Harpies, or one of my favourite goddesses, Lamashtu).
Depends on the ring as well as what part of the abyss they come from, most female characters we see from the abyss are succubus thus why they look so human and attractive. Plus succubus are really good at corrupting people as well as things, why hell has a few succubus of their own even though they are technically demons but they aren't they have more complex than demons.
[How very dare you, sir.](https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/covers/images/041/801/540/large/dmitry-lukhanin-dmitry-lukhanin-vescavor-queen-512-512.jpg?1632744490)
Just because she's a mother doesn't mean you can pretend she doesn't exist!
I have to disagree here. Sure all the males have different heads but 2 of them have lean as fuck twink chests and the third on probably has a super muscular chest.
Like why is most of deskari monstrous looking except for his chest and torso?
You do realize that succubis also have an male equivalent - that being the incubus ?
You do know that baphomet also has minotaur sons and daughters ? You quite literally fight both ygefeles (or whatever woljif's grampa is named) as well as horzolah for example , and they are both minotaurs , and both similary monstrous in looks.
So , if you're going to make this comparison , at least don't compare apples and oranges. Compare the same kinds of demons....
What do they call it when you only acknowledge evidence that supports your position, and ignore evidence that countermands your position?
That's being done here in spades.
I'm not sure we should objectify at all, but I *am* on board that if we *must* do so, we can at least achieve *parity.* I'd be perfectly fine with that.
I suggest we start with confiscating everyone's shirts. If they complain they can get a tasteful leather strap as a replacement, provided they pay for or supply their own strap.
tbf sexualization isn't necessarily the same as objectification. You could even argue that succubi are a good example of the difference, given that they use their sexuality to achieve agency rather than have it taken from them.
Admittedly they use said agency to make people pluck out their own eyeballs to munch on, but hey, nobody's perfect!
Well I play a male character and always use the female portrait for two reasons.
1. Female demon looks very close to the in game KC Demon character model
2. Looks attractive nuff said really.
Demon are gender archetype caricatur : Male are power, brutality, vice while Female will be versatility, manipulation, lust.
It's the literal "natural" asset both gender tailored since day and age.
Lastly 85% of players are male, the product/design should appeal to their taste and fantasy.
This why female demons are most of the time hot. You can GTFO now with your clear passive message.
By this logic they should strip out half the classes in the game and get rid of male romance options.
It's an RPG. The huge diversity of options is the most unique thing this game has going for it, so of course the game shouldn't just appeal to the "85% male playerbase". There's obviously nothing wrong with hot female demons, but there's also nothing wrong with pointing out that succubi are overrepresented in the game and incubi underrepresented.
Okay but listen, I've heard too many girls saying their childhood crush was Simba or Spirit so Owlcat might be onto something.
Also, as someone who's into women, I don't care if Lilitus don't have eyes because they clearly have tits, thighs and ass and that is more than enough for me
The Marilith are right there as counter-examples which are demons that are female only (or are supposed to be) and that’s not to mention the demons like vrocks that aren’t gendered.
Fun fact: succubi & lilitu (Nocticula is the Queen of the succubi) can appear in any gender (though usually they have preferences). You can bet they will be sexy in any form.
Baphomet was once sexy (Lamashtu took him as lover), too. But then he got tortured by Asmodeus...
I fail to see the problem.
All the girls want the hot monster BF.
All the boys want the succubus GF.
Both are conventionally attractive outside of general demonic features.
This is Jerribeth and Hepzamirah erasure and 3/4 fem demons pictured are succubi or adjacent (and there are incubi in the game who are also hot), tho I see your point
https://preview.redd.it/0k6vid8zol6d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0a459b7c3ce6ab421f968eb4732e15e5e4ab41c Gonna attach ✨💅The Girlies 💅✨here
They Slay and they work harder than any male in the underworld. Period.
who are they? I'm not too deep on the lore yet
lilitu are basically succubi but higher powered
And Squalid Queen!
https://preview.redd.it/znumd5u3fm6d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b58f6be8225c0c88834a0a12b986a348a125084a Excuse you, Fulsome Queen is bae
To be fair if she weren't literally made of filth.... Literally any other type of sl... almost any oth.... At least some other types of slime, and she'd be perfectly hot.
She’s trying her best 😢
We can't help how we're made. Well I mean the mortal(s) who became her probably could have made better choices in their lives. But it's a bit late for them.
Prestidigitation to change the smell and flavor, purify food and drink, water breathing. Go to town.
It's a terrible day to be able to read.
Can't change the flavor of living material, it is *questionable* if you could target her with purify food/drink, and water breathing is... another one of questionable use. You might be able to make the smell better, at least.
Garbussy
I'm not gonna kinkshame. You do you.
Dirty girls need love too
I'm not going to kinkshame, but she is made of poop. You do you.
\>we have Nocticula at home, the character
The erasure is done by the game itself. Only pretty demon ladies get to have a portrait. Also, no pretty demon boys get portraits either. The OP point still stands.
Shoot, they do it with Male v Female character portraits available for player characters. Sure there are some attractive options, but at the same time, there isn't a shriveled up lady dwarf with a dead eye or a 50 year old portly woman in armor.
I was about to say "what, yes there is," but then I realized I'm using a portrait mod.
What about the lady with the dead rabbit?
I guess that’s a fair point. I forgot about that bc I have a portrait mod for everyone.
I have that mod too, but the portraits are still fucked up. NPCs like Ciar has a blank shadow portrait and other NPCs have the default no portrait at all. I'm using it with the companion portrait mod so I'm guessing I have to manually add each portrait myself, like you do for the companions. 🙄
Are you using NPC Portrayed?
I'll await your portrait pack since it means so much to you
What?
Fuck knows man, we lost 4-1 to germany and ive been drinking extra since
Damn! Ha ha! Times are rough.
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The male form of Succubus is called Incubus
There's also evidence that Succubi and Incubi are actually the same thing, and that which is which is entirely a matter of personal preference. (Pops up in a camp conversation between Arue and Daeran.) So actually Arue is also an incubus, or could be if she wanted to at least.
Thanks!
Excuse me, but we do have sexy devils at least. https://preview.redd.it/b8s6q7b43m6d1.jpeg?width=1225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6902fb43370c36de2b6337795d28b77c4d5d719
dont forget mephisto and the form he used for aeon
What was his aeon form?
Why are almost all the male demons/devils shirtless? This sets a false expectation for men. I'm never going to have those washboard abs.
Speak for yourself bro, or better yet hit the gym and get them
Yes Paralictor, all of the people in the comment section.
No, not enough. Get the Order of the Pyre and the Order of the Rack here. Their Masters of Blades too.
[Requires Trickster Mythic Path] Yyeeeess, get ***all*** the hellknights together in one place!
I am 100% into men and I do not understand these people..
"What's that on your face?" Also, someone hasn't seen the Incubus.
Or the Cambion
Yes, because there's no in-game portraits of them! The game absolutely has a bias in how it represents demons of different genders.
Save the male demons! Give the people what they want! String iron codpieces
At the bare minimum, we deserve a Socothbenoth portrait
There's this one at least, though it's not from the game it's probably from a Paizo book? https://preview.redd.it/q6hbl6lvjs6d1.png?width=250&format=png&auto=webp&s=c71fd902c8631fa01af7db691d257bec9ce1f975
I love that it's the men who are eye candy finally
But did they have to make all the ladies so darn ugly?
For real, just make everyone sexy ffs. At least Hollywood got that right.
Just because you like twinks instead of buff men doesn't mean they weren't eyes candy before... They just weren't eyes candy for you.
Where are all the incubi at?
does any incubus have a portrait?
I’m not sure. Maybe Socobenoth or Yozz? I can’t recall. And though he’s not technically a demon, Wojif is quite the heart-throb.
> Maybe Socobenoth or Yozz? They don't (which is a shame).
Arueshalae. Yes, really. Turns out, incubi and succubi are the same thing, just a matter of personal preference. It pops up in a camp conversation between her and Daeran, with the implication that she could switch at basically any time if she felt like it.
Baphomet is the most sexy character in this picture
He's the GOAT
But really. His rise to being a demon lord is basically stealing from Asmodeus and then lawyering him about it. Absolute gigachad power move
Out lawyering asmodeus on any level is an impressive feat worthy of respect
He can absolutely get it 💦
Better not had said it then,cause your examples are biased as fuck https://preview.redd.it/4lnss4516l6d1.jpeg?width=589&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6afd61df8cb6415f09731940da66b08acc7a24a7 Why not pick a demon that is not a succubus...you know, the kind that is, literally designed to charm people.
https://preview.redd.it/1pmpedba9l6d1.jpeg?width=4636&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5642f155f5063953e2b01d3b393c38d224439c55
Somebody stop him!
No let him cook
Thank you xD
I love that this doesn't need words.
She's the mother of monsters it's only natural
Look at this, just another stupid sexy lady demon.
The examples in the post are from in game. Is this from the game or an outside source? I haven’t seen that portrait in wrath.
It;a from paizo the creators of pathfinder..pretty sure that is Nok Noks goddess.
It's a picture of Lamashtu, a deity in the setting. I don't recall if she's one of the ones you can worship in the CRPG or not.
I see. This post is specifically about in game characters with portraits so I was curious whether this was a relevant example or unrelated to the post. Appreciate the clarification.
wife (honestly the lamashtu art in both gods and magic books is pretty hot)
This is the profile picture I use for my ex
Okay, Lamashtu looks great and all ... but we dont have a portrait for her ingame. This isnt about Paizo's bias, this is about the bias of Owlcat and which demons they give portraits to.
they gave portraits to the demons that were major enough in the story to deserve portait ?
Now let's see ~~Paul Allen's card~~ them getting portraits and major roles in the story
The post shows the male/female variants for the demon mythic portrait, the three demon lords, the primary antagonist of the first two acts, and the only overtly demonic companion (without major spoilers). Yes, incubi exist, and sure, there are plenty ugly demon women. Still, there’s a major discrepancy in how male demons and female demons are presented. Most of the major demon women we meet are either Succubi or Lilitus, and as such, have stories defined by sex and intimacy. Compare this to the major male demons, such as Baphomet or Deskari, who are overtly monstrous and physically imposing. Denying that there’s a definite gap here is bull-headed, and greatly bugs me.
Baphomet or Deskari bull-headed, and greatly bugs i see what you did there
baphomet is also defined by sex
What’s the point though? Are we advocating for DEIA in the Abyss? Are we marching for equal representation for ugly demons? Are we trying to make man demons more marketable? I’m just trying to understand so I know if I need to hear my pink hat when we protest.
Wait wait dont forget. Mazzmezz
Okay I see your point but hear me out
Incubi exist, look at Yozz or Gelderfang Meanwhile, look at Baphomet's daughters, or Jerribeth
Also Socothbenoth in the trickster mythic path
>Baphomet's daughters https://preview.redd.it/l7wir32mhl6d1.jpeg?width=764&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b14981a762fc7cd9bd3b19f37314972e9f04ab1 Muscle mommy
And yet they didn't get a lot of lines or any art.
Poor sad boy Socobenoth, no VA, no portrait. Sad little wannabe Slaanesh hiding from his more successful sister.
I didnt know there were only 6 demons in wotr.
And that 3 of them were Succubi.
Yep, and a fourth was just the basic demon female mythic path character. Most people are not going to want their pcs to look like monsters, turns out.
And yet the male demon portrait is monstrous.
True. I had forgotten since I always play female demon. Regardless I prefer the female one since I enjoy playing a more cunning kind of demon, not a raging monster.
i mean im pretty sure some of the random demons you fight are females you just took a 2-3 succubus and... what ever minago is i forget... demons designed to be alurring..." i mean your point is valid but youre kind of apples and oranging
Baphomet tho.... would.
Seriously, and that voice... When he showed up at the end of Act 4 I finally understood why he has so many children.
He's giving Body
I want Baphomet to do all manner of unholy things to me and I will not be ashamed of this.
Forgetting about everyone's favourite gal who deserved more screen: Hepzamirah
i too want an incubus boyfriend
Average Russian man vs Average Russian woman
Two of these are succubi and one is succubi-adjacent, though I get your point.
>and one is succubi-adjacent, though I get your point. succubi-adjacent?
Minagho is a lilitu. Lilitus are not-quite succubi who rely on temptation and manipulation to achieve their goals. In Pathfinder they are just lilitus. And in DnD, Lilitu demons are quite literally born from the ashes of succubi. So yeah, succubi-adjacent is a pretty fitting word for them.
Make sense. However I’m curious what then picture of the Demon KC be classified as.
Generic female demon as imagined by an artist with limited imagination, probably This is what the world would look like if that portrait was a Marilith instead ; https://preview.redd.it/neiu8lg5dl6d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5be0f1423dcfca19801b304ab959811d1b8ffd9
I mean the male version is a Balor but we don't get to transform into that. In fact honestly our character models are so dissapointing with the mythic path because it visually just looks like a glamor. Become a Demon? Oh you are just red with a tail. Become an Azata or Angel? Wingz baby. Lich? Oh you just just a skeleton. Like idk I feel mythic classes need to have mythic appearances ya know.
>I mean the male version is a Balor but we don't get to transform into that. In fact honestly our character models are so dissapointing with the mythic path because it visually just looks like a glamor. What about >!the beginning of Act 5?!< >Become a Demon? Oh you are just red with a tail. Well you get a glowing purple tail, long horns scaley lizard like skin and black Blotches all over your body. >Like idk I feel mythic classes need to have mythic appearances ya know. That’s fair some of mythic appearances are very underwhelming with Azata, trickster and angel coming to mind.
We do get to transform into a Balor though? And a Marilith too. Not permanently, sure, but still.
Found the lamia lover.
Hell yeah, lamias rule
Gorgons too
Minagho. Lilitus are basically succubi on steroids.
She the ugliest one pictured. That eyeless face is worse than the animal faves to me.
And yet she manages to charm Staunton into betraying his ideals, so she's doing something right.
Lilitu, essentially succubi but without faces.
i mean that's kinda the point nah? the important female demons are succubi and the important male demons are monsters, cos ofc they are lol. there are a few incubi in the game but none of them are voiced or have art, same with the female monster demons. in fact i'm pretty sure this image is just every voiced demon character unless, i forgot one, so not cherry picked at all like people are saying.
Give me that sexy, sexy goat dick
... Username checks out? o.o
This post really undersells just how hot Baphomet really is. Overall being bi made the Abyss an...interesting experience. Oh no sexy masculine and feminine demons everywhere! What horror! I sure hope I'm not stuck here forced to ~~drool~~ I mean stare at them for hours on end.
Pretty much this: [https://www.oglaf.com/dimorphism/](https://www.oglaf.com/dimorphism/)
Someone needed to post this.
People are talking about Incubi quite a bit, my issue with this comparison is that these are specifically the major demons represented in the game. If you want to make your point use things that in the game-
How about the female Vrock that has an entire mini storyline. Or the putrid queen. Also, incubi are in the game. Lots of them. Oodles even.
It's more about the characters being major that's the thing here, do we get the same kind of key art for those uglier female characters? Or even attractive demon men-
you have mephistopholes if you want attractive evil male characters....but he;s not a demon. As for why so many of the female demons are attractive....simple. We're facing the demon lord of the succubis. Obviously she;s going to have sex demons in her retinue.
And then there's Slaanesh.
There's plenty of sexy male fiends in Pathfinder and D&D. In fact, I'm pretty sure the ones on the left can be female as well, or are straight up genderless.
Pretty sure there's a female gibrileth somewhere
Baphomet is kinda hot ngl.
Don't come for my main girl Arueshalae
People are really bending over backwards to not acknowledge that there is a difference between male and female representation among actual characters with meaningful story roles and portraits.
The argument is poorly phrased as there are multiple attractive demons we encounter ... but not with their own portrait. It's a shame Socobenoth doesn't get his own portrait for example or that there isn't a sexy male demon portrait, just the rage type one. Plenty of incubi too ... but none as important as the female characters in the story. Also sexy demoness are not just ennemies unlike Deskari which was the main antagonist with no redeeming quality. Some could argue Baphomet has a certain appeal though :p
Dude really picked succubi and didn’t include incubi lmao
Which incubi have portraits in Wrath?
None.
Because there aren't any incubi to include. None of them have portraits in this game.
"[Male humans] look like blobby chicks you wouldn't fuck!"
Come to think of it, do demons even have genders? Because I don't think they reproduce sexually. Similar to daedra in elder scrolls
You're not entirely right, in that there are lots of counterexamples, but overall...you're not wrong.
And that's a good thing (and here's why)
To be fair 3 on the right function like Succubi (two of them actually *ARE* succubi), the ones on the left are more bruiser types. Their are Incubi who are basically sexy male versions of Succubi but none were main villain material for the campaign.
>plays game in a male dominated demographic >jeez why are all the female demons hot I wonder why
So?
I mean, two of the female examples are the same type of demon (I. E. Succubi). Minagho is a Lilitu which is basically a Succubus with special features and the KC Demon is just a humanoid creature with demonic features. It's exactly what a Demon KC looks like if she isn't transformed. (Also the demon KC pic on the left can be used by female characters as well. Female demons can transform into Balrogs too) Look up Lamashtu or Gyronna for some less humanoid examples of female demons.
First pic accurate, second pic not so much.
No shit that Female demons made to be seducers take form of petite women, and typical fighting demons take more menacing and powerful forms. But that's just looking at one thing while ignoring everything else, there are plentiful petite male demona (like incubuses), and powerful female demons (like daughters of Babhomet, or the Demon Lord of Harpies, or one of my favourite goddesses, Lamashtu).
Depends on the ring as well as what part of the abyss they come from, most female characters we see from the abyss are succubus thus why they look so human and attractive. Plus succubus are really good at corrupting people as well as things, why hell has a few succubus of their own even though they are technically demons but they aren't they have more complex than demons.
[How very dare you, sir.](https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/covers/images/041/801/540/large/dmitry-lukhanin-dmitry-lukhanin-vescavor-queen-512-512.jpg?1632744490) Just because she's a mother doesn't mean you can pretend she doesn't exist!
Hear me out https://preview.redd.it/cy0lzf5z7m6d1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04841d6a316711e8140951bf80ec50d33a318b30
I'm listening, keep going
Custom Portraits exist
I have to disagree here. Sure all the males have different heads but 2 of them have lean as fuck twink chests and the third on probably has a super muscular chest. Like why is most of deskari monstrous looking except for his chest and torso?
You do realize that succubis also have an male equivalent - that being the incubus ? You do know that baphomet also has minotaur sons and daughters ? You quite literally fight both ygefeles (or whatever woljif's grampa is named) as well as horzolah for example , and they are both minotaurs , and both similary monstrous in looks. So , if you're going to make this comparison , at least don't compare apples and oranges. Compare the same kinds of demons....
What do they call it when you only acknowledge evidence that supports your position, and ignore evidence that countermands your position? That's being done here in spades.
I fail to see the problem with this, Give me my sexy demons!
We need male sexy demons too!
Been always of the mind that the solution to objectification isn't to sexualize women less, but to sexualize men more!
AND WHEN EVERYONE'S OBJECTIFIED... HeheHAHAHAHAHAH... *No one* will be.
The Hades way.
[True gender equality](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPvQS4qVwdE).
I'm not sure we should objectify at all, but I *am* on board that if we *must* do so, we can at least achieve *parity.* I'd be perfectly fine with that. I suggest we start with confiscating everyone's shirts. If they complain they can get a tasteful leather strap as a replacement, provided they pay for or supply their own strap.
tbf sexualization isn't necessarily the same as objectification. You could even argue that succubi are a good example of the difference, given that they use their sexuality to achieve agency rather than have it taken from them. Admittedly they use said agency to make people pluck out their own eyeballs to munch on, but hey, nobody's perfect!
Fine with me! Sexy for all
Baphomet kinda hot isn’t he?
Aberforth? is that you? ...Although I'd give you he has a sexy voice.
As I always say, I don’t see the issue.
Well I play a male character and always use the female portrait for two reasons. 1. Female demon looks very close to the in game KC Demon character model 2. Looks attractive nuff said really.
Demon are gender archetype caricatur : Male are power, brutality, vice while Female will be versatility, manipulation, lust. It's the literal "natural" asset both gender tailored since day and age. Lastly 85% of players are male, the product/design should appeal to their taste and fantasy. This why female demons are most of the time hot. You can GTFO now with your clear passive message.
By this logic they should strip out half the classes in the game and get rid of male romance options. It's an RPG. The huge diversity of options is the most unique thing this game has going for it, so of course the game shouldn't just appeal to the "85% male playerbase". There's obviously nothing wrong with hot female demons, but there's also nothing wrong with pointing out that succubi are overrepresented in the game and incubi underrepresented.
In fairness, the Orc is a good depiction of a hyper-masculine character, if a little over dressed
Okay but listen, I've heard too many girls saying their childhood crush was Simba or Spirit so Owlcat might be onto something. Also, as someone who's into women, I don't care if Lilitus don't have eyes because they clearly have tits, thighs and ass and that is more than enough for me
Based.
Owlcat likes pretty boys more
Well there probably are female balors they're just never depicted
Fine by me
I love the female orc design in BG3. They look rough and overall badass.
I want to get fucked by Baphomet personally
You discovered what Succubi are all about, congratulations!
Not gonna lie all the demons / devils in your post can get it.
The Marilith are right there as counter-examples which are demons that are female only (or are supposed to be) and that’s not to mention the demons like vrocks that aren’t gendered.
Fun fact: succubi & lilitu (Nocticula is the Queen of the succubi) can appear in any gender (though usually they have preferences). You can bet they will be sexy in any form. Baphomet was once sexy (Lamashtu took him as lover), too. But then he got tortured by Asmodeus...
The fact that they're all Succubi or close makes this an n=1 experiment
The male demons are hotter. And it's not even close.
I mean succubi can look like anything that illicit desire or lust.
I fail to see the problem. All the girls want the hot monster BF. All the boys want the succubus GF. Both are conventionally attractive outside of general demonic features.
Isn’t the bug queen a female demon too?
My wife will only play good looking characters in various games. She visibly struggled to play a troll woman in WoW.
Batibat - female demon [Batibat](https://images.app.goo.gl/CDV1YG4kQhKbX9E36)
Smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash, smash. Next question
Most prominent female demons are succubi and are thus supposed to be sexy.
Let's hope it stays this way.