"Anong pangalan mo?"
"Pwedeng makipagkilala?"
*Blowjob hand gesture*
*Weird mouth gestures*
"Ang suplado mo naman"
As per usual kapag lalaki ang naharass, sasabihin sayo ay 'suck-it up', 'kalalaki mong tao', 'ba't di mo banatan?', 'ay wow edi ikaw na ang pogi'.
>'kalalaki mong tao', 'ba't di mo banatan?'
Ito yung nakakainis. Kaya ang hirap magpakita ng kahinaan pag lalaki ka. Pag namanyak ka tapos wala kang nagawa, isasarili mo lang yung nangyari or idadaan sa joke. Pag kinwento mo, panigurado sasabihin ng kaibigan mong pabida "Kung ako yun, inupakan ko na.". Yung mga parehas mong male victims lang din yung makakaintindi sayo na karamihan ayy tinatago lang yung nangyari.
But if we slug them, then we're going to be on the receiving end of criminal charges and social media scorn.
In which case, I say slug 'em. If we're going to be accused of a crime, let it be a crime that we actually did.
yung kapitbahay namin na gay 13 years old lng yung boyfriend niya. wala pake magulang kasi siguro may natatangap yung bata from him. puta samantalang yung nanay niya na tagalaba ng damit niya di mang lang niya maabutang ng pera.
Pinsan ko na 27 nagjowa ng 16 years old, edukado pa yung pinsan ko like licensed professional and religious pero ewan kahit pagsabihan di nakikinig.
Di ko rin alam bakit sinusuportahan kasi nila yung idea na dapat nagbibigay sila para mahalin o gustuhin ng tao. Nakakwentuhan ko kasi mga bakla dito samin tapos parang sila pa magagalit sayo pag pinagsabihan mo silang mali yon. Minsan pinangsusumbat din nila yung pamimigay nila para pumayag sa favors nila yung mga jowa nila.
yung dating kasama ng kapitbahay namin before mag jowa ng minor iniwan din siya. parang pera lang talaga ang habol nung lalake. tapos nung wala na makuha iniwan na rin siya.
Same. I didn't realize it was wrong for the gay hairdresser to comment "hintayin kita" or something to that effect when I was just a kid in a parlor waiting for my mom.
Benefit of the doubt that it was a bad attempt at a compliment but that and similar type of humor feeds into that view.
may mga memes na 150 na blatantly mga matatandang pedo nagfefellatio sa mga underage pero ginagawang katatawanan lang when it should have raised concerns.
I knew someone who was groped while he was sleeping by a gay he and his family actually know, and he just sucked it up not telling anybody else especially his family. He is usually being approached by gays in malls (as some of the people in this thread), offering money or become a "model". High schoolers being catcalled by salon/parlor gays offering "wampipti". This society teaches men and women to bear the sexual abuse and just be quiet, because if we something we are being homophobic.
May mga kabarkada ako nung computer shop days ko na natake advantage ng mga kakilala nilang gay while they were sleeping or drunk. Meron ding isa na "minamasahe" ako sa shoulders (ie chinachansingan) while busy kami sa games. Tapos ganun, parang normalized lang na non-issue sya. Lalaki ka kaya alang nawawala sau. Porket di ka pede mabuntis ok lang?
I was catcalled by gays twice in just one fucking day! First, was waiting for a friend in a mall so I stood by an area and this old gay man asked if he could give me a blowjob. Later on that night, I was walking alone toward Boni station and one car with I think 3 men inside stopped right in front of me and asked if I am G for an orgy. Traumatic.
Yeah me too. I was even followed almost closely to my apartment back in college. I was just planning to buy takeout but he followed me towards the restaurant, i thought he left and gave him benefit of the doubt but after I leave the restaurant, he started following me again calling me “pogi halika” with whistling until I was 1 block away from my apartment. I was weirded out but I also got pissed, I had my umbrella with me which I was prepared to use as a weapon to beat the shit out of him if he followed me even further but thank goodness he left. Not the first time I’ve been followed by gays, heck the first time I downloaded wechat, couple of gays started messaging me offering me shit. I also learned what isetann really is when I just tried to explore that place because I saw the cool escalators lol, after that I never went back.
Same. One time when I was 10 I was on a jeep commuting for the first time on my own then when I drop my coins accidentally in the jeep a gay picks it up, and gives me a fucking weird smile like he is interested in me.. what the fuck man I WAS 10
While nasa LRT ako nakaupo, there's this one who stand infront of me and pointing pictures of me obviously. I dunno what to do or how to react. Noong umalis na siya, nakatingin lang yung mga tao saakin. Noong paalis na ako, I can feel them all looking down on me. Sucks that I was depressed that time first time sa job ko tapos family problems pa so I dunno how to react, or defend myself sa mga ganoon.
Mga pedong bading sa salon na nangka-catcall ng mga high-school na naguuwian. Di ko makalimutan. Mula mga kaklase ko hanggang sa mga kaklase ng kapatid ko.
It’s because men in the Philippines are encouraged to be sexually aggressive and to not take no for an answer.
If you’re raised that way, gay or straight, you’re going to treat people like sex objects male or female. Honestly surprised that nobody’s connected the dots to this.
If anything it should teach Filipino men how it feels like to be objectified or harassed as a woman so they themselves don’t do it to others. Young men/kids need to be told not to keep bothering or persisting in their behavior once someone says no.
Is this still the case? I remember being in high school (2000s) and I brought my first gf to a family thing. My cousin's uncles were holding court at the liquor table and loudly telling me that if I hadn't gone further than just holding hands or kissing my gf, I was "mahina". Everyone including my gf, mom, and (even younger) cousins were in earshot.
But me and my cousins are not like that. So, I'm thinking that a lot of families are able to break that cycle.
The new generation aren't so much, but its still definitely there. This is also why I'm supportive of young people making the cultural changes we need.
In my opinion most male-to-male sexual harassment are getting free passes since they always saying na "compliment yan at gwapo ka" or "okay lang yan, lalake ka naman" para sakin sobrang outdated na gantong pagiisip
I would really voice out my opinion and annoyance no matter how hard they enforce that stupid line "Walang pakikisama". Lol
I'd rather be tagged as a killjoy or whatever shit and be alone than to be harassed by anyone. \(°_° )/
I will not change my opinion nor my view of right and wrong just to fit myself with these insensitive people.
>ion and annoyance no matter how hard they enforce that stupid line "Walang pakikisama". Lol I'd rather be tagged as a killjoy or whatever shit and be alone than to be harassed by anyone. (°\_° )/
Same, Dadami din tayo sir! to the point na sila naman ang parang "Walang pakikisama" satin!
maybe in the old times, yun ang naiisip nila at tumatak sa kanila pero new generation na dapat since normal na satin makasama sila and we're fine with that.
What's worse is that pag nagalit ka sa mga yun naturally automatic homophobic ka agad by the public. Punyeta lang, so di na pwedeng magalit sa maling action ngayun?
Yung nangharass sakin sexually na ihahatid ako pabalik sa dorm ko(lasing ako that time) na orgmate, he's gay and very outspoken about LGBT rights like a lot of UP students. How ironic na galit na galit sila sa nang haharass eh gawain din nila. Di ako galit sa kanya though, sana consistent lang ang ideology sa ginagawa nila
Based on my own experience in college. I have a "friend" who I thought was straight. So... Nag-inuman kami, I got drunk, I wasn't worried at the time because 1.) Tropa ko siya; 2.) I'm at our house. I fell asleep but he didn't. I woke up to him holding my birdie and trying to get it hard. I was so drunk and tired back then that I can't move. So basically, he took advantage of me and I can't do shit. After that, I just decided not to talk to him ever again. I didn't tell anyone, including my would-be girlfriend back then for the fear of getting called "bakla" or "too weak" to fend it off. For some reason it also felt like speaking out would put me in a position na people would blame me for getting drunk. So I decided not to speak about it and leave it as that. I did eventually told someone about it only to get laughed at and got a remark na "kawawa ka naman, yung una mo bading" or "baka di ka virgin sa pwet". I started letting it go nalang because it's useless. I was able to move on with my life after the incident, I just ended up being more cautious with people around me after.
my female friend ako na bisexual, she used tinder and dated both men and women. She told me wala naman daw difference same lamg na maypagka manyak. haha
ang difference lang daw is less threatening if babae ang gumagawa. kaya less report sguro kasi they shrugged it off if done by women.
Reminds me of that one time I had a female colleague who I didn’t know was a lesbian. She’s very touchy with the boobies and she always compares mine to hers - which I thought was just a compliment and I don’t really consider it as sexual kasi babae naman. After she resigned though she came out as lesbian - it wasn’t really obvious because she’s not really masculine or anything - I felt so cheated and kind of violated - but tbh complaining about it seems over the top so I just don’t say anything.
Yeah, they're very rare and usually subtle. Nonbinary woman here but anyway.
In first year college (2009 or '10), di ko napansin na tinatanggal na pala yung top button ng uniform ko ng isang female classmate. We were seated on a bench as gilid ng open grounds ng uni and I was kinda zoning out, tapos nakikipag-usap siya sa isang gay classmate namin nun so di ko sila pinapansin until I looked down and her hand was on the second top button ng uniform ko. Idk why she did that. Anyway, saka lang din napansin ni gay classmate so sinabihan din nya si female classmate. Buti nagkahiwalay kami noong second year since start na ng majorship namin nun; magkaiba kami ng major. We met again at a uni affair a couple years later, I was just kinda casual to her pero I couldn't help but cringe.
Mukhang she's a better person now, pero I still couldn't help but be like, if I meet her again gusto kong magmaldita sa kanya, makaganti lang 🙃
Already commented it down below but here it goes. That's why I don't think it's necessarily an LGBT thing. It's double standards lang talaga. If lalake ang na-rape, na-harass, nabiktima ng domestic violence, regardless if it's from a man or a woman, expect na magiging lukewarm lang talaga ang reaction ng tao. I also think it has something to do with toxic masculinity and misogyny. Toxic masculinity kasi "lalake ka kaya dapat matapang ka, resilient ka, di ka iyakin, etc." kaya yung mga biktima madalas tahimik lang tapos binabalewala lang ng karamihan kasi di naman yun seryoso kasi nga lalake ka. Chini-cheer pa nga ng ibang tao, especially ng ibang lalake, kapag na-sexually abuse ang lalake ng babae. Misogyny naman kasi women and gay men, who are usually viewed as less then men dito sa atin, are not taken seriously kasi nga they're less than men.
Got some girls harassing me and one put her hand in my pocket. We were in class chatting and I forgot why but she was teasing me. One girl tried to kiss me in the lips and other made sexual suggestive comments about me. Sometimes I feel like those beta anime protagonist who gets bullied by girls. Even with all that my male friends still think I'm a virgin with no game. I have an autoimmune disease I can't go fuck everyone.
Just to add, I caught a random boner in my class during high school and one of the girls pointed it to her friend, they laughed, unaware that I noticed it. I did let it slide because she was one of the class crushes but knowing now that could count as a mild sexual harassment.
When I was in highschool iniiwasan ko magCR kase one time may gay schoolmate ako na sinisilip yung urinal habang umiihi ako tapos magcocomment pa.
Yung first na work ko yung supervisor ko hinahawakan pwet ko. He always tells me na kapag wala daw akong pera siya daw bahala sakin sumama lang ako sa kanya. I told him na hindi ako interested and I will never be interested. Our workmates are saying it is just a joke. Nagresign ako kase at one time nafeel ko na gusto ko na siya suntukin kase everyday ginaganon niya ako at wala akong magawa. After ko magpasa ng resignation letter nag AWOL na ako.
Noong bata kami, our cousin is a tall, mestiso kid, naglalakad kami sa isang street biglang may sumunod sa amin na gay tinatawag pinsan ko na pogi. Takbo kami talaga, simula non nagkaroon na ng fear yung pinsan ko. Pero kapag lumayo siya sa kanila tatawagin siyang homophobe. It is something that I don't get. Hindi mo naman ginegeneralize na lahat sila pero sana may acknowledgement na nagagawa din yon ng part ng community at may solutions sila
wtf??? im not protecting whoever catcalled your cousin but homophobia naman talaga yung pag generalize na lahat ng lgbt+ ay iaassume mo na manghaharass din sa pinsan mo because of his history. and we all hate everyone who sexually harasses people pero ang LOUD kapag nag-aask ng accountability from the gays to do that ‘acknowledgement’ as if meron talagang ‘LGBT’ community organisation pero kapag sa kapwa nyo straights NA MAS MARAMI BTW tahimik lang kayo???
agreed. i am only phobic to those homosexuals and transgenders who are overly aggressive and harrass others that do not get repercussions. The normal lgbt people who dont make their sexuality their entire personality and/or using the status to harrass men should be protected.
Protect the nice LGBTQ++ pro max ones, support them in their fight. But
Beat the shit of any one who harassed anyone, regardless of genitalia attached between their thighs.
I think dapat iaddress din ito. male to male , male to female, female to male, lgbtq to male or female. basta lahat ng scenario dapat applicable, against human rights yan.
Makes me sick tbh, I remember bata palang ako madami ng ganyan na bading. They like to catcall on my classmates nun, we were like grade 5 and grade 6 and those gays are like 20+ or 30+. My brothers used to be a computer shop tambay din where the gays used to touched them daw para lang mag extend ng hours.. kapag napaguusapan yun, I just silently biting my tongue fuck.. that's sexual harrassment right?
Yung mga Prof ko rin before sa college, lagi nanghihipo sa mga classmate ko. We were 18/19 naman na nun but still.. super icky. Nakikipag inuman sila sa students nila and sa bahay pa nila. God knows kung anong ginagawa nila.
Nakakadiri. Sobrang nakakadiri. Biologically, I'm a female but I'm pansexual. So I am part of the LGBT community pero this needs to be addressed talaga. Some people are getting away from these kinds of acts. Nakakatakot.
Napaka normalize ng ganyan putaena.
Unang kong nakita yung ganyan Grade 6 tangina hinawakan yung pwet ng kaklase ko tapos balibalita din. na yung tiser na yun nakaisandun sa isa naming kaklase. Grade fucking 6. Do they have any idea how young is that?
Fucking pedos.
Sa class nung friend ko dati, first day may palaro si Prof para sa mga sit-ins na gusto maka-reg sa class niya (ubusan kasi ng slots). May mga dala siyang saging. Palaliman daw ng kagat. Disqualified lahat ng babae, mga lalaki lang pinalaro niya. Manalo may slot sa class niya.
I’m not straight myself but your concern is valid. I remember an incident where my gay friend just kissed me while I’m sleeping. And lord knows kung ano pa gagawin niya if hindi ako nagising. I stopped talking to him and my friends are wondering bakit until now hindi ko pa rin kinakausap.
Also, another gay acquaintance likes catcalling minors. We called him out and told him na if he keeps doing that, jail time would not be a matter of what if but when.
Sexual harassment should never be condoned regardless of the SOGIE of the perpetrator. As a movement, the LGBTQIA+ community should address this issue. Otherwise, years of progress will go down the drain.
Edit: I hope everyone will be careful about their comments. We don’t want to reinforce gender stereotypes and normalize hate crimes.
I want to add on to this: nothing will happen if no one reports it. Publicly humiliate the offender if you are able to - there is strength in numbers. Sex offenders will keep doing what they're doing because they are not held accountable by anyone.
Now, specific to men who got harassed: as a man, will you be stigmatized/ridiculed when you report this to the authorities? Most likely. But that will remain the norm unless people try to change that.
If it's any consolation: you're doing the right thing going public, denouncing and reporting this offense. You're making a good example for others to follow, you were wronged and have no reason to feel bad about what you're doing.
Naalala ko tuloy yung Natulfo na lalaki kasi sinapak yung gay. It turns out, nang catcall pala yung gay. Tapos yung reaction ng mga tao kesyo di naman raw pogi si guy etc.
Same thing with corruption in this country tbh. A paper from the JICA suggested that corruption is only rampant because Filipinos are tolerant and no one calls it out.
Pansin ko kasi from people I know working in gov't agencies, aware sila at naiinis sa rampant corruption.
Pero they either feel helpless (wala silang malapitan), afraid they might lose their job, or directly benefit from it kaya hinahayaan lang.
True. Kasi pag nasa mataas nang position yung korap na opisyal, wala na nagagawa mga tao sa baba like sa everyday na trabaho. At ano ba talaga ang boses ng whistle-blower sa Pilipinas pagdating sa ganyan, may proteksyon ba talaga mga witnesses?
ohhh shit nung bata (10-12 sth like that) ako (90s) nagpagupit ako sa local barbershop. Ung barber bakla. Nbd. During the haircut the guy was saying ang pogi ko raw, kung may 'experience' na ba ako, and making innuendos to blowjobs. Siyempre ngiti at tahimik nalang ako kc may hawak siyang gunting. After nun, never again ako bumalik. Nag-open ung SM na malapit samin and ever since sa Bench fix na ako nagpapagupit hahaha Pero grbe ang creepy to hear stuff like that esp as a kid.
:( Ive heard common stories sa mga friends ko rin. Hay.. bakit kahit bata ginaganito ng iba? Same rin with straight men naman, dami rin manyak nung elementary and highschool ako knowing na im underage.
Idk man. I don't think this is like, exclusively to gays or anything (kasi after ko umalis sa local barber shop, bench fix naman bagsak ko e mga bakla din dun hahaha). Comes down to yung ugali talaga ng tao imo. Like, just don't be a creep, right? It's not hard -\_-
I don't think it's necessarily an LGBT thing. It's double standards lang talaga. If lalake ang na-rape, na-harass, nabiktima ng domestic violence, regardless if it's from a man or a woman, expect na magiging lukewarm lang talaga ang reaction ng tao. I also think it has something to do with toxic masculinity and misogyny. Toxic masculinity kasi "lalake ka kaya dapat matapang ka, resilient ka, di ka iyakin, etc." kaya yung mga biktima madalas tahimik lang tapos binabalewala lang ng karamihan kasi di naman yun seryoso kasi nga lalake ka. Chini-cheer pa nga ng ibang tao, especially ng ibang lalake, kapag na-sexually abuse ang lalake ng babae. Misogyny naman kasi women and gay men, who are usually viewed as less then men dito sa atin, are not taken seriously kasi nga they're less than men.
Skl. May co-worker akong gwapings, tawag namin sa kanya mascot ng HR dept. Sa tuwing merong may bday sa HR dept namin, mapa gay or babae, siya yung hinahatak para sya yung magpapa-surprise ng cake. Tingin ko may idea na kayo pag blowing ng candles, kung ano ano yung comment, gay pa yung may bday tapos gwapo yun may hawak ng cake. Dun pa lang lantaran na.
One time nagsabi sya sa head ng HR at sa head ng department namin kasi napuno na siya, more than 5 times na nangyayari sa kanya. Siya pa yung nasabihan ng "we don't promote homophobia here in the workplace" sabay banat pa na, "take it as a compliment kasi gwapo ka"
Naalala ko nun nagbibiruan kami ng friends ko na it would be funny if tutulungan namin isa't isa umihi. Like may taga tutok ka ganon. Tapos yung isang now ex friend ko bigla na lang pumasok sa cr nung iihi ako tapos nag pupumilit hawakan yung bardee ko tapos nung ayaw ko nagpupumilit talaga, I had to push him out of the bathroom para tumigil siya.
Weeks later may rumors na nakarating saken na homophobe daw ako.
Big yep. Meron akong gay na schoolmate na ni-call out ako kasi nag tweet akong galit nung may nagcat-call saking bading. Sabi niya pag babae daw nagcat-call sakin, ayos lang daw.
I think this is an issue with sexual harassment/abuse towards men in general. This is not just an issue here in the PH but a global issue.
Hell for female to male SA society views it as something we men should like.
Yung friend ko na hinarass ng gay friend namen , ayun trauma na siya sa mga gays ~ everytime na aayain ko uminom , laging tanong " may kasama kanh gay? If yes pass ako". Trauma na siya :< he dont hate gays but natatakot lang siya since may bad exp na .
Covered na rin s’ya sa Safe Spaces Act. If you are groped or catcalled in public places or privately-owned places accessible to the public, you can report the incident to the proper authorities. The issue is being addressed.
I've been catcalled, groped and stalked for God knows how many times I was traumatized growing up (since elementary) that it got to point na pag alam kong gay yung makakasalubong ko my fists are already clenched ready to throw it down the moment they try something. Things only got better around college and when I started working and I got to work with gay people and became friends with some. I still get catcalled though and I just give them the look but I don't think they'll try to grope or stalk me because I'll beat the shit out of them.
was from the gym and was walking home. wore shorts (you have to kasi one time, my long shorts got caught sa smith machine, not a good exp). (muscled legs).
gay guy in the area started touching me without permission. i didnt react since by experience, ako pa ang mali like sasabihan ako na feeling gwapo etc. but i felt disturbed... afraid even...
one bad day, there they were there again. i literally stopped and glared because i had it with the touches. people around us stopped what they were doing because i guess i really was mad. i didnt say a thing but i literally was shaking, trying to reign in my temper.
gay person didnt do it again, but every time i pass that street, i feel uncomfortable and i havent worn any shorts in public.
that is why i really feel bad about people being harassed- women, men, children etc... because its a disturbing and anxiety inducing feeling. the fact that ako pa ang mag adjust with the way i dress and umiwas if that gay person is there is just stupid.
Sexual harassment has no gender in fact. Im also part of lgbt community pero madalas ako maka encountered ng pammamanyak sa community din. One time habang pauwi ako, sa tulay ng bagong ilog pasig, may nakasalubong akong gay out of blue bigla nya kong hinawakan ng mahigpit sa baba sa sobrang gulat ko naitulak ko sya muntikan sa gitna ng kalsada.
My (guy)best friend got r*ped by his uncle when he was a kid. Yet walang ginawa parents Niya. That uncle is richer than them and they cared about their family's reputation so they didn't feel the need to make an issue of it.
And when we were in junior highschool, our gay pe teacher was forcing good-looking male students from a different section to kiss him and was groping them constantly. that teacher ended up leaving the school but vv low-key lang. Nalaman lang namin Yung reason after he left. I asked my friends from that class why they endured the sexual harassment from that teacher and they said it's because they were afraid of people's opinions. they were afraid of being called weak and cowardly.
In the same year, my sister who was on shs talked to me about how normalize it is to have a student as a sacrificial lamb to the gay teacher so that the whole class gets extra credits.
It's honestly messed up.
As a queer woman, ofc some queer and even straight women can be perverted. I identify as asexual but when I was in jhs, my female classmates liked to grope my breasts and liked making weird comments about it just bcs my boobs were on the bigger size. It continues to happen until shs. It honestly only stopped bcs of the pandemic.
One thing I also find in common among these instances is the fact that alot of times these types of harassments are treated as a joke?? Like if you complain, If di ka makikisabay suddenly killjoy ka na.
It just adds to the frustration towards the whole situation.
Few years back, I passed out after a night of drinking and partying, woke up being groped by a gay man asking “gusto mo chupain kita?”. Unfortunately I didn’t know any better then and just let it pass by. Although naka move on naman na ako with that experience I still wonder how do us men report these kinds of harassment by gay men towards straight men. How I wish meron din tayong “men’s desk” or something similar.
This reminds me of the time na nalaman namin ng mga HS classmates ko na kaya galit sa bakla yung isa naming classmate, kasi na-rape siya ng tropa niyang bading dati. It felt uncomfortable na nagtawanan lang mga classmates namin and his reaction is parang wala lang. Bakit pagdating sa sexual harassment sa guys in general, parang wala lang sa society when it is also traumatic? Porke ba di sila mabubuntis or wala namang "mawawala" sa kanila?
> Why does no one address male-to-male sexual harassment by gays and transgenders towards men?
Probably because no one is willing to speak about it, there's an inherent shame kasi on speaking on sexual abuse, sa babae man yan at lalo siguro sa lalake because of toxic masculinity.
its because its part of the misogynistic society that we live in. men cant be seen as victims because they're supposed to be the 'alphas'
its tragic but we really just need to be more vocal about this para matuto na din mga kapwa ko bakla na this shouldn't be normalized
Right?! THAT'S the frustrating part about it during the campaign, straight people can't understand that it's not only for the LGBTQ+, akala ba nila wala silang sexual orientation??? HUHU T\^T
Yes. If an M Lhuillier or something decides they'd rather hire a cute girl instead of an equally-qualified guy, there's potential legal action.
Because who goes to M Lhuillier for hot cashiers? I know it's a weird example, I've just noticed that a lot of places like that, Cebuana, Palawan, RD, there's a disproportionate amount of women working. I've even seen an RD Pawnshop that said they were hiring fair skinned women between 5'2" and 5'5"! What fucking nonsense is that lmaooo
And then of course there's even more places where a disproportionate amount of men working, I just wanted to give an example where it's the other way around.
YES. IT'S WEIRD AS HELL, siyempre parang nakaka-offend din if you're the opposite sex applying for a job position na *surely, you are qualified to do* pero you get rejected just kasi hindi ka yung "specific gender" na hinahanap.
Unless of course "Male model" yung job position, then obviously di pwede if you're a female but Cashiers? LMFAO
>And then of course there's even more places where a disproportionate amount of men working, I just wanted to give an example where it's the other way around.
Eto yung talagang tinatackle before pa, since may unfairness talagang nangyayari, example sa corporate world which is mostly dominated by men, but of course times'a changing, hindi na ganon in most places which I'm glad cause it means na yung pinaglalaban noon is paunti-unting nagbabago. (Wag lang ako makarinig ng, hala pa-special na mga babae, unfair samin na mga lalaki na sila may ganito ganyan... like ???)
Frustrating lang talaga since sobraaaang daming di marunong umitindi, for something na makakatulong sana, dami pa nila sasabihin kesyo ganito ganyan, eh samantalang covered naman sana sila. Makikitid utak T\^T
I don't know if I'm remembering it correctly but I think the law also says na kapag tinigasan at nilabasan daw ang lalaking na-r@pe eh hindi raw rape 'yun since na-turn on ka. Idk if kay atty. Chel ko nalaman 'yun or other lawyer vloggers. I'll try to look for it.
Tapos magpapaVictim yung nangharass para macancel ka. 😂😂😂 but in reality if that happens to me eh I will definitely punch them. Bahala na kung iCancel ako na nanapak ng manyakis. 😂😂😂
Sorry for your plight. The next time this will happen, report to HR of your company, report to the police, or report to the authority whichever is more relevant.
This advice is actually applicable to anyone regardless of gender.
Been victimized and harrassed by gays four times in my life, two incidents happened in my BPO years, with one noticeable one when I reported them to HR, tinawanan lang ako...
Pero nung nagsabi lang ako ng di maganda sa ginagawa niya sa workplace namin, harassment daw?
Kaya I dislike them with utmost hate and passion eh (the bad ones only; I do respect the ones who are keeping it to themselves or are laying low).
The other two are separate incidents: yung isa yung sisilip sa etits mo while urinating at a urinal, and the last groped my private area and sexually touched my belly and ass while working as a staff in a small toy shop in Pasay city
Yung bf ko hinipuan sa pwet ng Gay nya na teacher noong elementary. Ngayon nya lang narealize nung tumanda na sexual abuse yon at pedophilia. My heart bleeds for the little boys and girls out there na inosente at walang magawa para ipagtanggol sarili nila in this fucked up world. 😢
There was this gay coworker of mine who literally sexually harassed every men in the office including the janitors. When I was hired, I was warned by a coworker in my team to avoid the men's restroom in the office as the creep would often take peeps. If you really need to, go outside and use the nearest gas station's restroom
I asked if why no one reported the creep and my male coworker just shrugged and said it's because HR's head was a woman who believed that men can't be sexually harassed. The creep was reported many times, but he is popular and 'besties' with the women in the office. Yeah, it kinda sucked because most of my coworkers are women. This creep even spread rumors about the men's size and the women love it. The boss just didn't care and had a hand's off approach.
First day of work and the creep came strutting in our department (he's in admin and we're audit) introduced himself to me and tried to touch my neck. I slapped his hand told him to back off and he did. My male coworkers warned me that the creep will try his best to peep on me or cop a feel of my crotch since I 'rudely' told him to back off.
Anyway, he didn't make a move in a week and the week after that I'll be gone from the office for my one week training. When I came back to the office, the creep was surprisingly nowhere to be found.
Apparently, the creep pinched a butt of someone he mistakenly thought was my coworker in the elevator. It turned out that it was the lessor's son (we rent the building) who was visiting his dad in the office.The son and the dad filed a criminal case. He was arrested but the creep paid the bail. Of course, he was fired.
The boss, after so many years of not giving a fuck, suddenly gave a fuck because it was his reputation on the line. He fired most people in the HR department for not taking the sexual harassment reports seriously. He then made us all attend seminars about sexual harrassment.
I don't know what happened to the creep but I don't really care anymore. I quit the company after a year because the work environment was just so fucking toxic even without the creep.
as a gay person – it hurts a lot, because the openly gay people around me who should have been my role models were very problematic and harassed men (especially gay teachers harrassing students), and it made it harder for me to accept who I was (all the more come out). The other gay people I could see around me were like that, it perpetuated the stereotype that all LGBT people were like that, people said that gay people are like that, so it made me wonder if I too would be like that? It made me hate myself a lot. It took me going abroad (and meeting an LGBT community that really cared about consent and shot down harassers) before I could feel comfortable in my own skin. eh sa Pinas minsan parang sobrang normalised na eh but it's also hard to start the conversation because people think this real problem justifies being homophobic and making it harder for LGBT to seek legitimate relationships and have good role models
I am assuming you were referring to transgender women in your title. Your sentiments are very valid, and I even experienced it too before I transitioned. But please do remember that transwomen are women. We do not identify as male na. Hence, we identify as female. Was put off with the male-to-male thing lang.
Sexual harassment should be addressed regardless of gender. This should also go for ciswomen as well.
I am sorry to hear about your experience. Having experienced being harassed pre-transition and during transition, it is a disgusting experience to go through.
Empowerment when they like it. Oppression when they don't.
Nagreklamo na ako once sa sa isang officemate na lagi umaakbay and minsan ako hinawakan sa harapan pero yung boss na feminazi ay tinawanan lang ako and ako pa nareprimand dahil homophobic daw akp.
Then speak up. Report them. Of course, you'll get ridiculed but if no one starts doing something about it, nothing will change. Just because you're a man doesn't mean you have to put up with it or suck it up. And just because they're gays doesn't give them the permission to touch or intimidate you in any way.
This may be unrelated but if other men can imagine what that's like, to be catcalled, propositioned, groped... then you know what a normal day is like for most women who have to walk down streets where at almost every corner is a group of men drinking or just there, being men.
Just had to say that, too.
Public ridicule or pagtawanan ka ang usually outcome pag nagcall-out ka.
Meron akong friend na pinagtawanan lang ng barangay officials nila nung nagreklamo siya.
"Lalaki ka naman, kaya mo naman yan"
"Parang hindi ka naman mabiro"
"Ganyan talaga pag gwapo"
Masarap paguutugin ang mga ulo nila.
It's probably hard to address it online dahil may instant backlash yan pero I think people should start posting about it and show support, I'm a straight a man who has been harassed by a gay man sa office and a woman sa bus. If people are more aware here, atleast may sort of universal understanding na kung bakit hesitant ako when it comes to being close friends with gay people since I get traumatized very easily. Don't get me wrong, i have friends who were gay since childhood and I trust them not to do anything but if it was a new person, it'll take time pa.
It's just so stupid that sexual harassment gets a pass cuz of stupid expectations of men.
Like are we forgetting that they are also human beings and not nymphomanicac sexual animals.
Classic example of how the patriarchy oppresses everyone
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Sorry that those things happened to you, OP. Malala talaga ang sexual harassment and assault sa bansa. Anyone, regardless of gender, can be a victim and kahit anong gender din pwedeng maging perpetrator. Female victims are often blamed and ridiculed when they try to report. So it's not really surprising na male victims would not come forward din. Victim blaming is rampant. Pag babae ka, pupunahin yung suot mo and huhusgahan pagkatao mo. Pag lalake ka, sasabihin na ang weak mo naman. Bakit di ka lumaban? Hell, even minors na biktima sinisisi pa rin sa pangyayari, kesyo bata pa lang malandi na daw.
I've experienced being groped by straight men and women, and also gays. Too many to count. Sobrang dalas pag nagbabiyahe ako noon (WFH na ngayon). Pero I never reported 1. kasi most are strangers na hindi ko rin naman mahahabol, 2. ni hindi ko tanda mukha, and 3. wala rin akong proof kasi usually I'm too scared to move or it happened suddenly. Also, alam ko rin na walang kapupuntahan. Na-holdap nga ako, tinutukan ng baril sa mukha, life and death situation pero pagka-report, wala naman ginawa mga pulis. Sabi tatawagan daw ako pero wala nang nangyari. So how would you expect na may gagawin sila pag sinabi mong hinipuan ka? Walang kwenta hustisya dito sa Pilipinas, so you can't really blame victims for not reporting. Sa mga nagsasabing part of the problem yung mga biktimang di nagrereport, di niyo alam kung gaanong nakaka-trauma yun. Di kasalanan ng mga biktima, sistema at kultura ang kailangan ayusin.
Oh, some people def address it, the problem is that other *males* are the first ones to laugh at their brothers, saying, "weak mo naman pare, kung ako yan sinuntok ko" and if it was a female-to-male harassment, they are the first one to say, "gagi, kung ako yan i-enjoyin ko pa".
Thank you for this post, as a white male i get harrassed all the time. It is kind of annoying, i don't mind, but i hate it when people think that I am not straight...
sorry that u had to experience that. i experienced the same when i was only a kid too. i think one of the factors why this is not always involved in serious discussions is because people associate it with their sense of humour. as men, we are taught to suppress our fear and emotions. and i can only blame the patriarchal society for this disgusting norm. when the world and especially, us, men, is ready for conversation, im sure we'll get there to your concern.
This is prevalent but appears not due to the number of unreported cases. Men, after all, tend to suppress their unpleasant feelings or experiences to maintain their strong appearance.
Yeah, and it's even more bizarre when gay teens do the same on tv. Napaka laswa at bastos nmn nung scene sa Super Parental Guardians ni Vice at nung teenage n acyor perp nakalimutan ko ang name nya.
I dealt with the same thing actually. I didn't really think about my actions when I experienced this dati but this happened sa subdivision ko. I was being catcalled by atleast 2-3 gay people who were smoking outside a salon (where they were presumably working). One of them whistled and catcalled me while the other did a hand gesture.
End of it all muntikan ko na mabasag mukha nila sa daanan that day. Glad my friend was there to stop me from going any further
Nasapak ako sa pitx dati dahil jan, na ka pila kasi ako para kumuha ng ticket dati ( may ticket dati pag uuwi ng etivac) tapos ang haba. Nasa harap ko si gay eh friday talos siksikan pila bali eto si loko iniipit ako parang may ginagawang kalokohan yun pala hinahagod niya butt niya sa crotch ko tas ayun nilipat ko bag ko sa harap tapos lumingon siya sabi niya "ayaw mo pa" tas ayun tinulak ko siya sabi ko bastos mo tapos umiyak tas yung nasa harap niya sinapak ako akala niya galit ako sa kanila hindi nga ako nabigyan ng chance mag explain kasi nag dimino effect na e yung mga katabi namin na ka pila gusto na din ako sapakin. Buti na lang yung left side na pila na si ate tinulungan ako kasi kung hindi yare ako
I don't wanna generalize pero sa course ko, which is mostly comprised of members ng LGBTQIA+, a lot of my classmates would just touch my privates out of nowhere and would say that they're doing it as my friend.
I don't complain about it because people will generally side with the offenders because they were "doing it as my friend". At some point nasanay na lang ako and nadevelop ko na magkaron ng jerk reaction kada nakikita ko mga kamay nila around my bairdee.
Another reason I don't complain is because I may get branded as a homophobe and if you took my course that is nooot the reputation you want to have. There was this one time where a now ex friend of mine REALLY tried to harrass me and I defended naman and nothing happened pero weeks later may rumors na nakarating saken na homophobe daw ako.
It's nice na lang siguro na I have other lgbt friends kaya di ako nagkaron ng generalized ideas about them. They're some of the best people I know in the world and it sucks na they get an unfair reputation because of scumbags like my other classmates
I'm not saying naman na I have it worse compared to other genders, other genders definitely have it worse pero it's nice to see a platform like this whee I can share my experiences under anonymity.
I just hope na these incidents wouldn't be used to justify homophobia. Manyak and bastos ka dahil manyak at bastos ka, not because of your sexual orientation/gender identity. As a gay guy, I often get harrased by both straight men and women, even some from the queer community, pero I really don't think it has something to do with one's sexual orientation or gender identity kasi I think that kind of thinking is dangerous.
The struggles of the community or anyone doesn't give them a free pass to do wrong things.
Pero I agree with you, we have a huge problem with sexual harassments and it needs to be addressed. I'm really sorry for the things that happened to you.
> hear is fellow Filipinos telling me to suck it up
This is so wrong. Harassment is harassment regardless of the gender of the people involved.
Also, this shit is a symptom of our patriarchal society - men are elevated as strong, powerful individuals when they too can fall victim to harassment and SHOULD get justice. When we all learn to treat people equally, only then will we see an improvement. (Should greatly improve when Gen Xs start to die out).
Back in college I used to ride LRT2. I used to position myself right next to the door with my back against the railing. 2nd station and a macho guy enters and stands right next to me. It wasn't too full and there was space in the center. Out of nowhere I feel the back of his hand on my groin area tryna feel my dong. Too bad tho because the back of his hand was actually groping my protruding belt instead.
I have gay friends and they are nice but this macho guy is definitely a maderpaker.
I dont think m-m harrassment is covered by the law, maybe that's why.
Kasi you only love women and children and lgbt peeps unconditionally.
Pero men? You only love them under a condition that will provide something or worse change to their partner's liking.
Edit: Puch Bars!
When i was a teenager and in my 20s, a lot of gay men offered me money in exchange for yes just use your imagination, catcalled and basically harrassed me. It pissed me off and somehow im not that accepting of gays because of that. Now that im older, a bit matured and bigger, none of them would dare do the shit they did to me before. I would catch glimpses or whispers but thats it.
I have relatives and friends who are gay and none of them do this. I guess its a select few.
It's more of the men culture, rather than sex or gender, that doesn't take harassment on men seriously. Because being a victim of these kinds of things shows weakness on masculinity, which is toxic mentality.
Kala kasi ng iba pag lalaki ka dapat kaya mong depensahan sarili mo para you can protect others too 🙄
I'm really sorry those happened to you :( I think this kind of behavior stems from the idea that feminine people are seen as "weak", so they're not considered as "threats" to men.
I just think that there must be better education regarding assault and harassment done by all genders AND how we can better protect men, women, and non-binary people to make them feel safe.
I would attribute this to the overwhelming amount of violence against gay people, the same way na iaattribute ko yung lack of accountability from female catcallers to overwhelming amount of violence against women. In both cases, amount of violence towards women and gays supersedes what both are capable of, so nagiging negligible sila sa public eye.
It's one of those cases na pag naayos yung isa, automatically maaaddress yung isa. If gay people aren't being violated so damn often, mas madali makita na they themselves are capable of harassment and violence; on the other hand, kung less agressive ang gays towards straight males, mababawasan ang stigma against sakanila.
another realistic reason din siguro is harassment if often done towards kids na hindi alam na nahaharass sila, which applies sa lahat ng harassment cases regardless sa gender ng victim at perpetrator.
Edit: I don't want to state this as hard fact, pero more on personal observation lang. I'm neither gay nor a woman so I can't really speak on their behalf. I did, however, experience harassment quite often from gay people since childhood to college.
madami rin gays that are preying for very young boys. may teacher na sucesfully nag groom ng elementary to college hangang mag live in na silang dalawa. sa kabilang parlor ng computer shop na tinatambayan ko, may middle gay na lagi nag hihipo sa mga highschool student habang nag lalaro. yung iba binibigyan niya ng allowance para pang laro ng ragnarok at mirienda show kapalit ng sex.
in both case walang ginagawa mga adult para pigilas sila, tinotolerate kasi lalake yung victim at ng midness ng mga filipino, wala naman daw mawawala sa mga lalae. at saka ginusto rin daw naman nila.
PUTANG INA. NAKAKDIRI. this is one reason why i used to be homophobic back in college. di ko masikmura yung gawain ng ibang gays na ganyan, tapos tinotolerate pa sila ng mga nakakatanda. ang lakas ng loob na yung iba mag hipo na lang ng minor even in public, tapos wala talaga sumasaway. yung victim tinatawanan pa in most case.
The catcalling of gays towards men is through the roof
"Anong pangalan mo?" "Pwedeng makipagkilala?" *Blowjob hand gesture* *Weird mouth gestures* "Ang suplado mo naman" As per usual kapag lalaki ang naharass, sasabihin sayo ay 'suck-it up', 'kalalaki mong tao', 'ba't di mo banatan?', 'ay wow edi ikaw na ang pogi'.
>'kalalaki mong tao', 'ba't di mo banatan?' Ito yung nakakainis. Kaya ang hirap magpakita ng kahinaan pag lalaki ka. Pag namanyak ka tapos wala kang nagawa, isasarili mo lang yung nangyari or idadaan sa joke. Pag kinwento mo, panigurado sasabihin ng kaibigan mong pabida "Kung ako yun, inupakan ko na.". Yung mga parehas mong male victims lang din yung makakaintindi sayo na karamihan ayy tinatago lang yung nangyari.
kapag wala kang ginawa or sinabi, sasabihan ka pa na gusto mo din.
But if we slug them, then we're going to be on the receiving end of criminal charges and social media scorn. In which case, I say slug 'em. If we're going to be accused of a crime, let it be a crime that we actually did.
This is the way.
Body blow para hindi mag marka.
Was a kid in the 90's There's a reason why the gay=pedo stereotype persists in the country
Dito samin yung mga bakla pumapatol pa rin sa mga menor.
yung kapitbahay namin na gay 13 years old lng yung boyfriend niya. wala pake magulang kasi siguro may natatangap yung bata from him. puta samantalang yung nanay niya na tagalaba ng damit niya di mang lang niya maabutang ng pera.
Pinsan ko na 27 nagjowa ng 16 years old, edukado pa yung pinsan ko like licensed professional and religious pero ewan kahit pagsabihan di nakikinig. Di ko rin alam bakit sinusuportahan kasi nila yung idea na dapat nagbibigay sila para mahalin o gustuhin ng tao. Nakakwentuhan ko kasi mga bakla dito samin tapos parang sila pa magagalit sayo pag pinagsabihan mo silang mali yon. Minsan pinangsusumbat din nila yung pamimigay nila para pumayag sa favors nila yung mga jowa nila.
yung dating kasama ng kapitbahay namin before mag jowa ng minor iniwan din siya. parang pera lang talaga ang habol nung lalake. tapos nung wala na makuha iniwan na rin siya.
Same. I didn't realize it was wrong for the gay hairdresser to comment "hintayin kita" or something to that effect when I was just a kid in a parlor waiting for my mom. Benefit of the doubt that it was a bad attempt at a compliment but that and similar type of humor feeds into that view.
Imagine if it was a straight adult man telling that to a young girl."hintayin kita". Blech. Grooming.
may mga memes na 150 na blatantly mga matatandang pedo nagfefellatio sa mga underage pero ginagawang katatawanan lang when it should have raised concerns.
Growing up, I was actually scared of gays/trans people because of this. (homophobia in a literal sense lol)
I’m a gay guy myself and afraid of other gays like them. Internalized homophobia?
Same, I know I'm not straight but I'm not also comfortable being around group of gay guys.
I knew of a gay guy at work who was afraid of other gays too. But it was because he was raped by 1 for a long time.
I knew someone who was groped while he was sleeping by a gay he and his family actually know, and he just sucked it up not telling anybody else especially his family. He is usually being approached by gays in malls (as some of the people in this thread), offering money or become a "model". High schoolers being catcalled by salon/parlor gays offering "wampipti". This society teaches men and women to bear the sexual abuse and just be quiet, because if we something we are being homophobic.
May mga kabarkada ako nung computer shop days ko na natake advantage ng mga kakilala nilang gay while they were sleeping or drunk. Meron ding isa na "minamasahe" ako sa shoulders (ie chinachansingan) while busy kami sa games. Tapos ganun, parang normalized lang na non-issue sya. Lalaki ka kaya alang nawawala sau. Porket di ka pede mabuntis ok lang?
I was catcalled by gays twice in just one fucking day! First, was waiting for a friend in a mall so I stood by an area and this old gay man asked if he could give me a blowjob. Later on that night, I was walking alone toward Boni station and one car with I think 3 men inside stopped right in front of me and asked if I am G for an orgy. Traumatic.
dahil sa suot mo yan kaya ka na catcall e /sarcasm
I swear, the amount of times I got catcalled by gays in very shady areas is what made me have a bias against them back then.
Yeah me too. I was even followed almost closely to my apartment back in college. I was just planning to buy takeout but he followed me towards the restaurant, i thought he left and gave him benefit of the doubt but after I leave the restaurant, he started following me again calling me “pogi halika” with whistling until I was 1 block away from my apartment. I was weirded out but I also got pissed, I had my umbrella with me which I was prepared to use as a weapon to beat the shit out of him if he followed me even further but thank goodness he left. Not the first time I’ve been followed by gays, heck the first time I downloaded wechat, couple of gays started messaging me offering me shit. I also learned what isetann really is when I just tried to explore that place because I saw the cool escalators lol, after that I never went back.
Even sa malls and sa workplace din
Same. One time when I was 10 I was on a jeep commuting for the first time on my own then when I drop my coins accidentally in the jeep a gay picks it up, and gives me a fucking weird smile like he is interested in me.. what the fuck man I WAS 10
Believe it or not, marami talagang rapists gays, majority ng population nila. There, I said it.
Sa parlor, yung kunware nahulog yung suklay tpos sakto sa tite ko nung grade 6 ako. Sinapak ng pinsan ko yung bakla nung nagsumbong ako.
tapos sasabihan ka pa ng homophobic eh ikaw na nga victim ng gays. Tangina!
nasobrahan sa rights mga salot
While nasa LRT ako nakaupo, there's this one who stand infront of me and pointing pictures of me obviously. I dunno what to do or how to react. Noong umalis na siya, nakatingin lang yung mga tao saakin. Noong paalis na ako, I can feel them all looking down on me. Sucks that I was depressed that time first time sa job ko tapos family problems pa so I dunno how to react, or defend myself sa mga ganoon.
Where do y'all think "wampipti" originated?
Mga pedong bading sa salon na nangka-catcall ng mga high-school na naguuwian. Di ko makalimutan. Mula mga kaklase ko hanggang sa mga kaklase ng kapatid ko.
It’s because men in the Philippines are encouraged to be sexually aggressive and to not take no for an answer. If you’re raised that way, gay or straight, you’re going to treat people like sex objects male or female. Honestly surprised that nobody’s connected the dots to this. If anything it should teach Filipino men how it feels like to be objectified or harassed as a woman so they themselves don’t do it to others. Young men/kids need to be told not to keep bothering or persisting in their behavior once someone says no.
Is this still the case? I remember being in high school (2000s) and I brought my first gf to a family thing. My cousin's uncles were holding court at the liquor table and loudly telling me that if I hadn't gone further than just holding hands or kissing my gf, I was "mahina". Everyone including my gf, mom, and (even younger) cousins were in earshot. But me and my cousins are not like that. So, I'm thinking that a lot of families are able to break that cycle.
The new generation aren't so much, but its still definitely there. This is also why I'm supportive of young people making the cultural changes we need.
specially to young people
yep. can relate. i even got sexually touched as a kid multiple times while buying pandesal and no one bats an eye.
Biglang hawak at dakma Yan mga Yan, tas humahalik pa
Agree Dapat di ginagawa yan ng Gays and even everyone else
In my opinion most male-to-male sexual harassment are getting free passes since they always saying na "compliment yan at gwapo ka" or "okay lang yan, lalake ka naman" para sakin sobrang outdated na gantong pagiisip
outdated but still being enforced in most places
ikr, hirap mag enforce ng makabagong rules since nata-tag kang "walang pakikisama"
I would really voice out my opinion and annoyance no matter how hard they enforce that stupid line "Walang pakikisama". Lol I'd rather be tagged as a killjoy or whatever shit and be alone than to be harassed by anyone. \(°_° )/ I will not change my opinion nor my view of right and wrong just to fit myself with these insensitive people.
>ion and annoyance no matter how hard they enforce that stupid line "Walang pakikisama". Lol I'd rather be tagged as a killjoy or whatever shit and be alone than to be harassed by anyone. (°\_° )/ Same, Dadami din tayo sir! to the point na sila naman ang parang "Walang pakikisama" satin!
I was told that it's still "men's fault" because the perpetrators are male. :(
maybe in the old times, yun ang naiisip nila at tumatak sa kanila pero new generation na dapat since normal na satin makasama sila and we're fine with that.
What's worse is that pag nagalit ka sa mga yun naturally automatic homophobic ka agad by the public. Punyeta lang, so di na pwedeng magalit sa maling action ngayun?
Exactly! Daming batang lalaking ginaganyan nila, yung sure na di papalag.
Bro nangyare na sakin yan, nung ni-share ko sa mga friends ko tinawanan lang ako and napagtripan.
Yang compliment na yan should ne applicable only pag crush ka ng isang gay pero pag harassment di na applicable dapat yan.
Yung nangharass sakin sexually na ihahatid ako pabalik sa dorm ko(lasing ako that time) na orgmate, he's gay and very outspoken about LGBT rights like a lot of UP students. How ironic na galit na galit sila sa nang haharass eh gawain din nila. Di ako galit sa kanya though, sana consistent lang ang ideology sa ginagawa nila
Based on my own experience in college. I have a "friend" who I thought was straight. So... Nag-inuman kami, I got drunk, I wasn't worried at the time because 1.) Tropa ko siya; 2.) I'm at our house. I fell asleep but he didn't. I woke up to him holding my birdie and trying to get it hard. I was so drunk and tired back then that I can't move. So basically, he took advantage of me and I can't do shit. After that, I just decided not to talk to him ever again. I didn't tell anyone, including my would-be girlfriend back then for the fear of getting called "bakla" or "too weak" to fend it off. For some reason it also felt like speaking out would put me in a position na people would blame me for getting drunk. So I decided not to speak about it and leave it as that. I did eventually told someone about it only to get laughed at and got a remark na "kawawa ka naman, yung una mo bading" or "baka di ka virgin sa pwet". I started letting it go nalang because it's useless. I was able to move on with my life after the incident, I just ended up being more cautious with people around me after.
While we're at it, let's include female to male too
Kahit anong gender talaga pwede mang manyak.
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my female friend ako na bisexual, she used tinder and dated both men and women. She told me wala naman daw difference same lamg na maypagka manyak. haha ang difference lang daw is less threatening if babae ang gumagawa. kaya less report sguro kasi they shrugged it off if done by women.
Reminds me of that one time I had a female colleague who I didn’t know was a lesbian. She’s very touchy with the boobies and she always compares mine to hers - which I thought was just a compliment and I don’t really consider it as sexual kasi babae naman. After she resigned though she came out as lesbian - it wasn’t really obvious because she’s not really masculine or anything - I felt so cheated and kind of violated - but tbh complaining about it seems over the top so I just don’t say anything.
Totoo to :(
Yeah, they're very rare and usually subtle. Nonbinary woman here but anyway. In first year college (2009 or '10), di ko napansin na tinatanggal na pala yung top button ng uniform ko ng isang female classmate. We were seated on a bench as gilid ng open grounds ng uni and I was kinda zoning out, tapos nakikipag-usap siya sa isang gay classmate namin nun so di ko sila pinapansin until I looked down and her hand was on the second top button ng uniform ko. Idk why she did that. Anyway, saka lang din napansin ni gay classmate so sinabihan din nya si female classmate. Buti nagkahiwalay kami noong second year since start na ng majorship namin nun; magkaiba kami ng major. We met again at a uni affair a couple years later, I was just kinda casual to her pero I couldn't help but cringe. Mukhang she's a better person now, pero I still couldn't help but be like, if I meet her again gusto kong magmaldita sa kanya, makaganti lang 🙃
Tapos bawal humindi ang lalaki sa babae kasi "feeling pogi" pag pumalag
Kakadiri mga ganyang tao.
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Motivational poster of the day XD
wdym only straight men can be like that obligatory /s
Already commented it down below but here it goes. That's why I don't think it's necessarily an LGBT thing. It's double standards lang talaga. If lalake ang na-rape, na-harass, nabiktima ng domestic violence, regardless if it's from a man or a woman, expect na magiging lukewarm lang talaga ang reaction ng tao. I also think it has something to do with toxic masculinity and misogyny. Toxic masculinity kasi "lalake ka kaya dapat matapang ka, resilient ka, di ka iyakin, etc." kaya yung mga biktima madalas tahimik lang tapos binabalewala lang ng karamihan kasi di naman yun seryoso kasi nga lalake ka. Chini-cheer pa nga ng ibang tao, especially ng ibang lalake, kapag na-sexually abuse ang lalake ng babae. Misogyny naman kasi women and gay men, who are usually viewed as less then men dito sa atin, are not taken seriously kasi nga they're less than men.
Got some girls harassing me and one put her hand in my pocket. We were in class chatting and I forgot why but she was teasing me. One girl tried to kiss me in the lips and other made sexual suggestive comments about me. Sometimes I feel like those beta anime protagonist who gets bullied by girls. Even with all that my male friends still think I'm a virgin with no game. I have an autoimmune disease I can't go fuck everyone.
Just to add, I caught a random boner in my class during high school and one of the girls pointed it to her friend, they laughed, unaware that I noticed it. I did let it slide because she was one of the class crushes but knowing now that could count as a mild sexual harassment.
Based. Jk
I quit a good job because of this :(
When I was in highschool iniiwasan ko magCR kase one time may gay schoolmate ako na sinisilip yung urinal habang umiihi ako tapos magcocomment pa. Yung first na work ko yung supervisor ko hinahawakan pwet ko. He always tells me na kapag wala daw akong pera siya daw bahala sakin sumama lang ako sa kanya. I told him na hindi ako interested and I will never be interested. Our workmates are saying it is just a joke. Nagresign ako kase at one time nafeel ko na gusto ko na siya suntukin kase everyday ginaganon niya ako at wala akong magawa. After ko magpasa ng resignation letter nag AWOL na ako.
How we feel when gays harass us is how women feel when they get cat called, it sucks for everyone and yes it dated and fucked up.
Noong bata kami, our cousin is a tall, mestiso kid, naglalakad kami sa isang street biglang may sumunod sa amin na gay tinatawag pinsan ko na pogi. Takbo kami talaga, simula non nagkaroon na ng fear yung pinsan ko. Pero kapag lumayo siya sa kanila tatawagin siyang homophobe. It is something that I don't get. Hindi mo naman ginegeneralize na lahat sila pero sana may acknowledgement na nagagawa din yon ng part ng community at may solutions sila
wtf??? im not protecting whoever catcalled your cousin but homophobia naman talaga yung pag generalize na lahat ng lgbt+ ay iaassume mo na manghaharass din sa pinsan mo because of his history. and we all hate everyone who sexually harasses people pero ang LOUD kapag nag-aask ng accountability from the gays to do that ‘acknowledgement’ as if meron talagang ‘LGBT’ community organisation pero kapag sa kapwa nyo straights NA MAS MARAMI BTW tahimik lang kayo???
Friendly reminder that this thread isn't an open invitation to be homophobic or transphobic.
TAKE MY UPVOTE. ang issue dito is catcalling Na di dapat ginagawa
agreed. i am only phobic to those homosexuals and transgenders who are overly aggressive and harrass others that do not get repercussions. The normal lgbt people who dont make their sexuality their entire personality and/or using the status to harrass men should be protected.
>open invitation to be homophobic or transphobic Or any other type of homophobic or transphobic in the open not.
Protect the nice LGBTQ++ pro max ones, support them in their fight. But Beat the shit of any one who harassed anyone, regardless of genitalia attached between their thighs.
thank u for this
I think dapat iaddress din ito. male to male , male to female, female to male, lgbtq to male or female. basta lahat ng scenario dapat applicable, against human rights yan.
Makes me sick tbh, I remember bata palang ako madami ng ganyan na bading. They like to catcall on my classmates nun, we were like grade 5 and grade 6 and those gays are like 20+ or 30+. My brothers used to be a computer shop tambay din where the gays used to touched them daw para lang mag extend ng hours.. kapag napaguusapan yun, I just silently biting my tongue fuck.. that's sexual harrassment right? Yung mga Prof ko rin before sa college, lagi nanghihipo sa mga classmate ko. We were 18/19 naman na nun but still.. super icky. Nakikipag inuman sila sa students nila and sa bahay pa nila. God knows kung anong ginagawa nila. Nakakadiri. Sobrang nakakadiri. Biologically, I'm a female but I'm pansexual. So I am part of the LGBT community pero this needs to be addressed talaga. Some people are getting away from these kinds of acts. Nakakatakot.
Those are pedophiles. Pedophiles and people who are attracted to same sex are not mutually exclusive.
yea, OP needs to learn this as if part ng LGBTQ+ ang pedophiles lol
Talamak yan sa mga baklang titser. Taena niyo go to hell fucking pedos.
exp ko to lantaran sa klase nagyaya. Tapos tinatawanan lang ng mga kaklase ko. Subukan daw namin para malaman kung bakla ako o hindi
Napaka normalize ng ganyan putaena. Unang kong nakita yung ganyan Grade 6 tangina hinawakan yung pwet ng kaklase ko tapos balibalita din. na yung tiser na yun nakaisandun sa isa naming kaklase. Grade fucking 6. Do they have any idea how young is that? Fucking pedos.
Sa class nung friend ko dati, first day may palaro si Prof para sa mga sit-ins na gusto maka-reg sa class niya (ubusan kasi ng slots). May mga dala siyang saging. Palaliman daw ng kagat. Disqualified lahat ng babae, mga lalaki lang pinalaro niya. Manalo may slot sa class niya.
Lol some pedo downvoted you.
I’m not straight myself but your concern is valid. I remember an incident where my gay friend just kissed me while I’m sleeping. And lord knows kung ano pa gagawin niya if hindi ako nagising. I stopped talking to him and my friends are wondering bakit until now hindi ko pa rin kinakausap. Also, another gay acquaintance likes catcalling minors. We called him out and told him na if he keeps doing that, jail time would not be a matter of what if but when. Sexual harassment should never be condoned regardless of the SOGIE of the perpetrator. As a movement, the LGBTQIA+ community should address this issue. Otherwise, years of progress will go down the drain. Edit: I hope everyone will be careful about their comments. We don’t want to reinforce gender stereotypes and normalize hate crimes.
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I want to add on to this: nothing will happen if no one reports it. Publicly humiliate the offender if you are able to - there is strength in numbers. Sex offenders will keep doing what they're doing because they are not held accountable by anyone. Now, specific to men who got harassed: as a man, will you be stigmatized/ridiculed when you report this to the authorities? Most likely. But that will remain the norm unless people try to change that. If it's any consolation: you're doing the right thing going public, denouncing and reporting this offense. You're making a good example for others to follow, you were wronged and have no reason to feel bad about what you're doing.
Naalala ko tuloy yung Natulfo na lalaki kasi sinapak yung gay. It turns out, nang catcall pala yung gay. Tapos yung reaction ng mga tao kesyo di naman raw pogi si guy etc.
Same thing with corruption in this country tbh. A paper from the JICA suggested that corruption is only rampant because Filipinos are tolerant and no one calls it out.
What if we're tolerant and don't call out corruption kasi we're so used to it being the norm and/or we also benefit from it.
That too.
Pansin ko kasi from people I know working in gov't agencies, aware sila at naiinis sa rampant corruption. Pero they either feel helpless (wala silang malapitan), afraid they might lose their job, or directly benefit from it kaya hinahayaan lang.
True. Kasi pag nasa mataas nang position yung korap na opisyal, wala na nagagawa mga tao sa baba like sa everyday na trabaho. At ano ba talaga ang boses ng whistle-blower sa Pilipinas pagdating sa ganyan, may proteksyon ba talaga mga witnesses?
ohhh shit nung bata (10-12 sth like that) ako (90s) nagpagupit ako sa local barbershop. Ung barber bakla. Nbd. During the haircut the guy was saying ang pogi ko raw, kung may 'experience' na ba ako, and making innuendos to blowjobs. Siyempre ngiti at tahimik nalang ako kc may hawak siyang gunting. After nun, never again ako bumalik. Nag-open ung SM na malapit samin and ever since sa Bench fix na ako nagpapagupit hahaha Pero grbe ang creepy to hear stuff like that esp as a kid.
:( Ive heard common stories sa mga friends ko rin. Hay.. bakit kahit bata ginaganito ng iba? Same rin with straight men naman, dami rin manyak nung elementary and highschool ako knowing na im underage.
Idk man. I don't think this is like, exclusively to gays or anything (kasi after ko umalis sa local barber shop, bench fix naman bagsak ko e mga bakla din dun hahaha). Comes down to yung ugali talaga ng tao imo. Like, just don't be a creep, right? It's not hard -\_-
I don't think it's necessarily an LGBT thing. It's double standards lang talaga. If lalake ang na-rape, na-harass, nabiktima ng domestic violence, regardless if it's from a man or a woman, expect na magiging lukewarm lang talaga ang reaction ng tao. I also think it has something to do with toxic masculinity and misogyny. Toxic masculinity kasi "lalake ka kaya dapat matapang ka, resilient ka, di ka iyakin, etc." kaya yung mga biktima madalas tahimik lang tapos binabalewala lang ng karamihan kasi di naman yun seryoso kasi nga lalake ka. Chini-cheer pa nga ng ibang tao, especially ng ibang lalake, kapag na-sexually abuse ang lalake ng babae. Misogyny naman kasi women and gay men, who are usually viewed as less then men dito sa atin, are not taken seriously kasi nga they're less than men.
If you speak out you'll be called a homophobe. Trust me.
happened to me for simply stating my preference in a dating app smh.
Skl. May co-worker akong gwapings, tawag namin sa kanya mascot ng HR dept. Sa tuwing merong may bday sa HR dept namin, mapa gay or babae, siya yung hinahatak para sya yung magpapa-surprise ng cake. Tingin ko may idea na kayo pag blowing ng candles, kung ano ano yung comment, gay pa yung may bday tapos gwapo yun may hawak ng cake. Dun pa lang lantaran na. One time nagsabi sya sa head ng HR at sa head ng department namin kasi napuno na siya, more than 5 times na nangyayari sa kanya. Siya pa yung nasabihan ng "we don't promote homophobia here in the workplace" sabay banat pa na, "take it as a compliment kasi gwapo ka"
Naalala ko nun nagbibiruan kami ng friends ko na it would be funny if tutulungan namin isa't isa umihi. Like may taga tutok ka ganon. Tapos yung isang now ex friend ko bigla na lang pumasok sa cr nung iihi ako tapos nag pupumilit hawakan yung bardee ko tapos nung ayaw ko nagpupumilit talaga, I had to push him out of the bathroom para tumigil siya. Weeks later may rumors na nakarating saken na homophobe daw ako.
Big yep. Meron akong gay na schoolmate na ni-call out ako kasi nag tweet akong galit nung may nagcat-call saking bading. Sabi niya pag babae daw nagcat-call sakin, ayos lang daw.
I think this is an issue with sexual harassment/abuse towards men in general. This is not just an issue here in the PH but a global issue. Hell for female to male SA society views it as something we men should like.
Yung friend ko na hinarass ng gay friend namen , ayun trauma na siya sa mga gays ~ everytime na aayain ko uminom , laging tanong " may kasama kanh gay? If yes pass ako". Trauma na siya :< he dont hate gays but natatakot lang siya since may bad exp na .
Covered na rin s’ya sa Safe Spaces Act. If you are groped or catcalled in public places or privately-owned places accessible to the public, you can report the incident to the proper authorities. The issue is being addressed.
I've been catcalled, groped and stalked for God knows how many times I was traumatized growing up (since elementary) that it got to point na pag alam kong gay yung makakasalubong ko my fists are already clenched ready to throw it down the moment they try something. Things only got better around college and when I started working and I got to work with gay people and became friends with some. I still get catcalled though and I just give them the look but I don't think they'll try to grope or stalk me because I'll beat the shit out of them.
Hugs with consent ❤️
was from the gym and was walking home. wore shorts (you have to kasi one time, my long shorts got caught sa smith machine, not a good exp). (muscled legs). gay guy in the area started touching me without permission. i didnt react since by experience, ako pa ang mali like sasabihan ako na feeling gwapo etc. but i felt disturbed... afraid even... one bad day, there they were there again. i literally stopped and glared because i had it with the touches. people around us stopped what they were doing because i guess i really was mad. i didnt say a thing but i literally was shaking, trying to reign in my temper. gay person didnt do it again, but every time i pass that street, i feel uncomfortable and i havent worn any shorts in public. that is why i really feel bad about people being harassed- women, men, children etc... because its a disturbing and anxiety inducing feeling. the fact that ako pa ang mag adjust with the way i dress and umiwas if that gay person is there is just stupid.
Sexual harassment has no gender in fact. Im also part of lgbt community pero madalas ako maka encountered ng pammamanyak sa community din. One time habang pauwi ako, sa tulay ng bagong ilog pasig, may nakasalubong akong gay out of blue bigla nya kong hinawakan ng mahigpit sa baba sa sobrang gulat ko naitulak ko sya muntikan sa gitna ng kalsada.
My (guy)best friend got r*ped by his uncle when he was a kid. Yet walang ginawa parents Niya. That uncle is richer than them and they cared about their family's reputation so they didn't feel the need to make an issue of it. And when we were in junior highschool, our gay pe teacher was forcing good-looking male students from a different section to kiss him and was groping them constantly. that teacher ended up leaving the school but vv low-key lang. Nalaman lang namin Yung reason after he left. I asked my friends from that class why they endured the sexual harassment from that teacher and they said it's because they were afraid of people's opinions. they were afraid of being called weak and cowardly. In the same year, my sister who was on shs talked to me about how normalize it is to have a student as a sacrificial lamb to the gay teacher so that the whole class gets extra credits. It's honestly messed up. As a queer woman, ofc some queer and even straight women can be perverted. I identify as asexual but when I was in jhs, my female classmates liked to grope my breasts and liked making weird comments about it just bcs my boobs were on the bigger size. It continues to happen until shs. It honestly only stopped bcs of the pandemic. One thing I also find in common among these instances is the fact that alot of times these types of harassments are treated as a joke?? Like if you complain, If di ka makikisabay suddenly killjoy ka na. It just adds to the frustration towards the whole situation.
Few years back, I passed out after a night of drinking and partying, woke up being groped by a gay man asking “gusto mo chupain kita?”. Unfortunately I didn’t know any better then and just let it pass by. Although naka move on naman na ako with that experience I still wonder how do us men report these kinds of harassment by gay men towards straight men. How I wish meron din tayong “men’s desk” or something similar.
This reminds me of the time na nalaman namin ng mga HS classmates ko na kaya galit sa bakla yung isa naming classmate, kasi na-rape siya ng tropa niyang bading dati. It felt uncomfortable na nagtawanan lang mga classmates namin and his reaction is parang wala lang. Bakit pagdating sa sexual harassment sa guys in general, parang wala lang sa society when it is also traumatic? Porke ba di sila mabubuntis or wala namang "mawawala" sa kanila?
> Why does no one address male-to-male sexual harassment by gays and transgenders towards men? Probably because no one is willing to speak about it, there's an inherent shame kasi on speaking on sexual abuse, sa babae man yan at lalo siguro sa lalake because of toxic masculinity.
its because its part of the misogynistic society that we live in. men cant be seen as victims because they're supposed to be the 'alphas' its tragic but we really just need to be more vocal about this para matuto na din mga kapwa ko bakla na this shouldn't be normalized
We have VAWC law that apparently only protects women and children, but sexually harassed straight men are not protected by the said law.
Too bad SOGIE didn't pass because it actually does help straight men too.
Right?! THAT'S the frustrating part about it during the campaign, straight people can't understand that it's not only for the LGBTQ+, akala ba nila wala silang sexual orientation??? HUHU T\^T
Yes. If an M Lhuillier or something decides they'd rather hire a cute girl instead of an equally-qualified guy, there's potential legal action. Because who goes to M Lhuillier for hot cashiers? I know it's a weird example, I've just noticed that a lot of places like that, Cebuana, Palawan, RD, there's a disproportionate amount of women working. I've even seen an RD Pawnshop that said they were hiring fair skinned women between 5'2" and 5'5"! What fucking nonsense is that lmaooo And then of course there's even more places where a disproportionate amount of men working, I just wanted to give an example where it's the other way around.
YES. IT'S WEIRD AS HELL, siyempre parang nakaka-offend din if you're the opposite sex applying for a job position na *surely, you are qualified to do* pero you get rejected just kasi hindi ka yung "specific gender" na hinahanap. Unless of course "Male model" yung job position, then obviously di pwede if you're a female but Cashiers? LMFAO >And then of course there's even more places where a disproportionate amount of men working, I just wanted to give an example where it's the other way around. Eto yung talagang tinatackle before pa, since may unfairness talagang nangyayari, example sa corporate world which is mostly dominated by men, but of course times'a changing, hindi na ganon in most places which I'm glad cause it means na yung pinaglalaban noon is paunti-unting nagbabago. (Wag lang ako makarinig ng, hala pa-special na mga babae, unfair samin na mga lalaki na sila may ganito ganyan... like ???) Frustrating lang talaga since sobraaaang daming di marunong umitindi, for something na makakatulong sana, dami pa nila sasabihin kesyo ganito ganyan, eh samantalang covered naman sana sila. Makikitid utak T\^T
I don't know if I'm remembering it correctly but I think the law also says na kapag tinigasan at nilabasan daw ang lalaking na-r@pe eh hindi raw rape 'yun since na-turn on ka. Idk if kay atty. Chel ko nalaman 'yun or other lawyer vloggers. I'll try to look for it.
Because you can always punch them in the face
I suggested punching them in the neck but I got downvoted. What gives? :D
probably lurkers who doesn't agree with violence
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Nah aim for the face mas lasting damage nan pag may pasa. Baka maungkat pa memories nilang jinojombag ng kanilang tatay.
lmao
I wonder how long before some neckbeard removes this comment LMAO.
Wow this was downvoted into oblivion earlier now it's back up. Thanks sane reddit users for having a sense of humor hahaha
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Orrrr show them your FA. they want a cock, show them your glock
Tapos magpapaVictim yung nangharass para macancel ka. 😂😂😂 but in reality if that happens to me eh I will definitely punch them. Bahala na kung iCancel ako na nanapak ng manyakis. 😂😂😂
No, you'll get called a phobe these days.
Sorry for your plight. The next time this will happen, report to HR of your company, report to the police, or report to the authority whichever is more relevant. This advice is actually applicable to anyone regardless of gender.
Been victimized and harrassed by gays four times in my life, two incidents happened in my BPO years, with one noticeable one when I reported them to HR, tinawanan lang ako... Pero nung nagsabi lang ako ng di maganda sa ginagawa niya sa workplace namin, harassment daw? Kaya I dislike them with utmost hate and passion eh (the bad ones only; I do respect the ones who are keeping it to themselves or are laying low). The other two are separate incidents: yung isa yung sisilip sa etits mo while urinating at a urinal, and the last groped my private area and sexually touched my belly and ass while working as a staff in a small toy shop in Pasay city
Yung bf ko hinipuan sa pwet ng Gay nya na teacher noong elementary. Ngayon nya lang narealize nung tumanda na sexual abuse yon at pedophilia. My heart bleeds for the little boys and girls out there na inosente at walang magawa para ipagtanggol sarili nila in this fucked up world. 😢
There was this gay coworker of mine who literally sexually harassed every men in the office including the janitors. When I was hired, I was warned by a coworker in my team to avoid the men's restroom in the office as the creep would often take peeps. If you really need to, go outside and use the nearest gas station's restroom I asked if why no one reported the creep and my male coworker just shrugged and said it's because HR's head was a woman who believed that men can't be sexually harassed. The creep was reported many times, but he is popular and 'besties' with the women in the office. Yeah, it kinda sucked because most of my coworkers are women. This creep even spread rumors about the men's size and the women love it. The boss just didn't care and had a hand's off approach. First day of work and the creep came strutting in our department (he's in admin and we're audit) introduced himself to me and tried to touch my neck. I slapped his hand told him to back off and he did. My male coworkers warned me that the creep will try his best to peep on me or cop a feel of my crotch since I 'rudely' told him to back off. Anyway, he didn't make a move in a week and the week after that I'll be gone from the office for my one week training. When I came back to the office, the creep was surprisingly nowhere to be found. Apparently, the creep pinched a butt of someone he mistakenly thought was my coworker in the elevator. It turned out that it was the lessor's son (we rent the building) who was visiting his dad in the office.The son and the dad filed a criminal case. He was arrested but the creep paid the bail. Of course, he was fired. The boss, after so many years of not giving a fuck, suddenly gave a fuck because it was his reputation on the line. He fired most people in the HR department for not taking the sexual harassment reports seriously. He then made us all attend seminars about sexual harrassment. I don't know what happened to the creep but I don't really care anymore. I quit the company after a year because the work environment was just so fucking toxic even without the creep.
as a gay person – it hurts a lot, because the openly gay people around me who should have been my role models were very problematic and harassed men (especially gay teachers harrassing students), and it made it harder for me to accept who I was (all the more come out). The other gay people I could see around me were like that, it perpetuated the stereotype that all LGBT people were like that, people said that gay people are like that, so it made me wonder if I too would be like that? It made me hate myself a lot. It took me going abroad (and meeting an LGBT community that really cared about consent and shot down harassers) before I could feel comfortable in my own skin. eh sa Pinas minsan parang sobrang normalised na eh but it's also hard to start the conversation because people think this real problem justifies being homophobic and making it harder for LGBT to seek legitimate relationships and have good role models
I am assuming you were referring to transgender women in your title. Your sentiments are very valid, and I even experienced it too before I transitioned. But please do remember that transwomen are women. We do not identify as male na. Hence, we identify as female. Was put off with the male-to-male thing lang. Sexual harassment should be addressed regardless of gender. This should also go for ciswomen as well. I am sorry to hear about your experience. Having experienced being harassed pre-transition and during transition, it is a disgusting experience to go through.
The reason why sogie bill should be implemented
Empowerment when they like it. Oppression when they don't. Nagreklamo na ako once sa sa isang officemate na lagi umaakbay and minsan ako hinawakan sa harapan pero yung boss na feminazi ay tinawanan lang ako and ako pa nareprimand dahil homophobic daw akp.
Then speak up. Report them. Of course, you'll get ridiculed but if no one starts doing something about it, nothing will change. Just because you're a man doesn't mean you have to put up with it or suck it up. And just because they're gays doesn't give them the permission to touch or intimidate you in any way. This may be unrelated but if other men can imagine what that's like, to be catcalled, propositioned, groped... then you know what a normal day is like for most women who have to walk down streets where at almost every corner is a group of men drinking or just there, being men. Just had to say that, too.
Public ridicule or pagtawanan ka ang usually outcome pag nagcall-out ka. Meron akong friend na pinagtawanan lang ng barangay officials nila nung nagreklamo siya. "Lalaki ka naman, kaya mo naman yan" "Parang hindi ka naman mabiro" "Ganyan talaga pag gwapo" Masarap paguutugin ang mga ulo nila.
It's probably hard to address it online dahil may instant backlash yan pero I think people should start posting about it and show support, I'm a straight a man who has been harassed by a gay man sa office and a woman sa bus. If people are more aware here, atleast may sort of universal understanding na kung bakit hesitant ako when it comes to being close friends with gay people since I get traumatized very easily. Don't get me wrong, i have friends who were gay since childhood and I trust them not to do anything but if it was a new person, it'll take time pa.
It's just so stupid that sexual harassment gets a pass cuz of stupid expectations of men. Like are we forgetting that they are also human beings and not nymphomanicac sexual animals. Classic example of how the patriarchy oppresses everyone Sorry muh english broken
Sorry that those things happened to you, OP. Malala talaga ang sexual harassment and assault sa bansa. Anyone, regardless of gender, can be a victim and kahit anong gender din pwedeng maging perpetrator. Female victims are often blamed and ridiculed when they try to report. So it's not really surprising na male victims would not come forward din. Victim blaming is rampant. Pag babae ka, pupunahin yung suot mo and huhusgahan pagkatao mo. Pag lalake ka, sasabihin na ang weak mo naman. Bakit di ka lumaban? Hell, even minors na biktima sinisisi pa rin sa pangyayari, kesyo bata pa lang malandi na daw. I've experienced being groped by straight men and women, and also gays. Too many to count. Sobrang dalas pag nagbabiyahe ako noon (WFH na ngayon). Pero I never reported 1. kasi most are strangers na hindi ko rin naman mahahabol, 2. ni hindi ko tanda mukha, and 3. wala rin akong proof kasi usually I'm too scared to move or it happened suddenly. Also, alam ko rin na walang kapupuntahan. Na-holdap nga ako, tinutukan ng baril sa mukha, life and death situation pero pagka-report, wala naman ginawa mga pulis. Sabi tatawagan daw ako pero wala nang nangyari. So how would you expect na may gagawin sila pag sinabi mong hinipuan ka? Walang kwenta hustisya dito sa Pilipinas, so you can't really blame victims for not reporting. Sa mga nagsasabing part of the problem yung mga biktimang di nagrereport, di niyo alam kung gaanong nakaka-trauma yun. Di kasalanan ng mga biktima, sistema at kultura ang kailangan ayusin.
its not an lgbt thing lil bro
Kase kapag nagreklamo ka, sasabihan ka ng iba na "homophobe ka we're so oppressed uwu"
Gawain rin yan ng mga lalaki, tinatawag na "tibo" or man-hater yung babae na nireject sila.
True
Hindi ko din alam. Maybe sa male dominated culture natin na kunti lang ang humihingi ng tulong na mga lalaki pag nahaharass sa takot na mapahiya.
Gender equity.
While we're at it din, I have to say na as a woman mas grabe ang misogyny pag galing sa gays/trans
Oh, some people def address it, the problem is that other *males* are the first ones to laugh at their brothers, saying, "weak mo naman pare, kung ako yan sinuntok ko" and if it was a female-to-male harassment, they are the first one to say, "gagi, kung ako yan i-enjoyin ko pa".
Same thing why gay people dont report rape by “straight” men
Humans, in general are just fucked up lang talaga.
Thank you for this post, as a white male i get harrassed all the time. It is kind of annoying, i don't mind, but i hate it when people think that I am not straight...
sometimes some of them dont even care if you're straight and will still try to hit on you.
I tell them I am straight, they still push (annoying)
because no matter which way you swing, men are trash
sorry that u had to experience that. i experienced the same when i was only a kid too. i think one of the factors why this is not always involved in serious discussions is because people associate it with their sense of humour. as men, we are taught to suppress our fear and emotions. and i can only blame the patriarchal society for this disgusting norm. when the world and especially, us, men, is ready for conversation, im sure we'll get there to your concern.
This is prevalent but appears not due to the number of unreported cases. Men, after all, tend to suppress their unpleasant feelings or experiences to maintain their strong appearance.
Yeah, and it's even more bizarre when gay teens do the same on tv. Napaka laswa at bastos nmn nung scene sa Super Parental Guardians ni Vice at nung teenage n acyor perp nakalimutan ko ang name nya.
I dealt with the same thing actually. I didn't really think about my actions when I experienced this dati but this happened sa subdivision ko. I was being catcalled by atleast 2-3 gay people who were smoking outside a salon (where they were presumably working). One of them whistled and catcalled me while the other did a hand gesture. End of it all muntikan ko na mabasag mukha nila sa daanan that day. Glad my friend was there to stop me from going any further
Dapat [ganito](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOlJf48ix3E) gawin sa mga yan.
Nasapak ako sa pitx dati dahil jan, na ka pila kasi ako para kumuha ng ticket dati ( may ticket dati pag uuwi ng etivac) tapos ang haba. Nasa harap ko si gay eh friday talos siksikan pila bali eto si loko iniipit ako parang may ginagawang kalokohan yun pala hinahagod niya butt niya sa crotch ko tas ayun nilipat ko bag ko sa harap tapos lumingon siya sabi niya "ayaw mo pa" tas ayun tinulak ko siya sabi ko bastos mo tapos umiyak tas yung nasa harap niya sinapak ako akala niya galit ako sa kanila hindi nga ako nabigyan ng chance mag explain kasi nag dimino effect na e yung mga katabi namin na ka pila gusto na din ako sapakin. Buti na lang yung left side na pila na si ate tinulungan ako kasi kung hindi yare ako
I don't wanna generalize pero sa course ko, which is mostly comprised of members ng LGBTQIA+, a lot of my classmates would just touch my privates out of nowhere and would say that they're doing it as my friend. I don't complain about it because people will generally side with the offenders because they were "doing it as my friend". At some point nasanay na lang ako and nadevelop ko na magkaron ng jerk reaction kada nakikita ko mga kamay nila around my bairdee. Another reason I don't complain is because I may get branded as a homophobe and if you took my course that is nooot the reputation you want to have. There was this one time where a now ex friend of mine REALLY tried to harrass me and I defended naman and nothing happened pero weeks later may rumors na nakarating saken na homophobe daw ako. It's nice na lang siguro na I have other lgbt friends kaya di ako nagkaron ng generalized ideas about them. They're some of the best people I know in the world and it sucks na they get an unfair reputation because of scumbags like my other classmates I'm not saying naman na I have it worse compared to other genders, other genders definitely have it worse pero it's nice to see a platform like this whee I can share my experiences under anonymity.
Hello sa mga supporters ni vice g dito kahit na laging nanghaharass ng mga male guests niya. 🤮
because of macho culture
its about fuckin time people brought this up.
I just hope na these incidents wouldn't be used to justify homophobia. Manyak and bastos ka dahil manyak at bastos ka, not because of your sexual orientation/gender identity. As a gay guy, I often get harrased by both straight men and women, even some from the queer community, pero I really don't think it has something to do with one's sexual orientation or gender identity kasi I think that kind of thinking is dangerous. The struggles of the community or anyone doesn't give them a free pass to do wrong things. Pero I agree with you, we have a huge problem with sexual harassments and it needs to be addressed. I'm really sorry for the things that happened to you.
Because this sub full of smooth brained fucks think only women are susceptible to sexual harassmen
Same. Tangina ang daming nakaabang sa mga urinal. Don’t you have Grindr for that shit in 2023 mygod
> hear is fellow Filipinos telling me to suck it up This is so wrong. Harassment is harassment regardless of the gender of the people involved. Also, this shit is a symptom of our patriarchal society - men are elevated as strong, powerful individuals when they too can fall victim to harassment and SHOULD get justice. When we all learn to treat people equally, only then will we see an improvement. (Should greatly improve when Gen Xs start to die out).
Back in college I used to ride LRT2. I used to position myself right next to the door with my back against the railing. 2nd station and a macho guy enters and stands right next to me. It wasn't too full and there was space in the center. Out of nowhere I feel the back of his hand on my groin area tryna feel my dong. Too bad tho because the back of his hand was actually groping my protruding belt instead. I have gay friends and they are nice but this macho guy is definitely a maderpaker. I dont think m-m harrassment is covered by the law, maybe that's why.
Kasi you only love women and children and lgbt peeps unconditionally. Pero men? You only love them under a condition that will provide something or worse change to their partner's liking. Edit: Puch Bars!
Pretty valid point until you lumped transgender women into the “male-to-male” phrase. They’re women.
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No, I am well built.
Tangina ang dami kong stories about this. Di naman ako ganun ka gwapo.
When i was a teenager and in my 20s, a lot of gay men offered me money in exchange for yes just use your imagination, catcalled and basically harrassed me. It pissed me off and somehow im not that accepting of gays because of that. Now that im older, a bit matured and bigger, none of them would dare do the shit they did to me before. I would catch glimpses or whispers but thats it. I have relatives and friends who are gay and none of them do this. I guess its a select few.
It's more of the men culture, rather than sex or gender, that doesn't take harassment on men seriously. Because being a victim of these kinds of things shows weakness on masculinity, which is toxic mentality. Kala kasi ng iba pag lalaki ka dapat kaya mong depensahan sarili mo para you can protect others too 🙄
I'm really sorry those happened to you :( I think this kind of behavior stems from the idea that feminine people are seen as "weak", so they're not considered as "threats" to men. I just think that there must be better education regarding assault and harassment done by all genders AND how we can better protect men, women, and non-binary people to make them feel safe.
Mental illness siguro nung iba.
I would attribute this to the overwhelming amount of violence against gay people, the same way na iaattribute ko yung lack of accountability from female catcallers to overwhelming amount of violence against women. In both cases, amount of violence towards women and gays supersedes what both are capable of, so nagiging negligible sila sa public eye. It's one of those cases na pag naayos yung isa, automatically maaaddress yung isa. If gay people aren't being violated so damn often, mas madali makita na they themselves are capable of harassment and violence; on the other hand, kung less agressive ang gays towards straight males, mababawasan ang stigma against sakanila. another realistic reason din siguro is harassment if often done towards kids na hindi alam na nahaharass sila, which applies sa lahat ng harassment cases regardless sa gender ng victim at perpetrator. Edit: I don't want to state this as hard fact, pero more on personal observation lang. I'm neither gay nor a woman so I can't really speak on their behalf. I did, however, experience harassment quite often from gay people since childhood to college.
madami rin gays that are preying for very young boys. may teacher na sucesfully nag groom ng elementary to college hangang mag live in na silang dalawa. sa kabilang parlor ng computer shop na tinatambayan ko, may middle gay na lagi nag hihipo sa mga highschool student habang nag lalaro. yung iba binibigyan niya ng allowance para pang laro ng ragnarok at mirienda show kapalit ng sex. in both case walang ginagawa mga adult para pigilas sila, tinotolerate kasi lalake yung victim at ng midness ng mga filipino, wala naman daw mawawala sa mga lalae. at saka ginusto rin daw naman nila. PUTANG INA. NAKAKDIRI. this is one reason why i used to be homophobic back in college. di ko masikmura yung gawain ng ibang gays na ganyan, tapos tinotolerate pa sila ng mga nakakatanda. ang lakas ng loob na yung iba mag hipo na lang ng minor even in public, tapos wala talaga sumasaway. yung victim tinatawanan pa in most case.
Wokes eh.