>Generally speaking, these people are entitled to these, well, titles.
Being entitled the title is different from feeling entitled to be addressed by that title.
Engineer here pero prefers to be called pogi or daks HAHHAA joke. Tama manager ko dati sa PLDT nung intern ako, titles don't mean anything if you can't act up for it. Sa academe ata very particular sila sa ganyan.
Toxic din yan mga yan. May naging instructor akong nabastusan daw sakin kc di ko daw siya address na āEngr. Xxxxā kc di ko naman alam kaya address ko siyang Mr. Xxxx.
Pero panis parin sa mga lawyers yan. Isa sa mga starter pack ng mga lawyers:
Sasakyan na may āattyā or lawyer na plaka. May sticker ng scale, may sticker din dapat sang law school galing, the bigger the better. Bonus ung may frat sticker hahaha
Some Civil Engineer asked me what my job is, sabi ko Software Engineer. Sabi nya kami daw pala yung mga pekeng engineers. Hahahah, pakialam ko sa title nya, 4x naman sahod ko hahahaha.
P.S. First name basis sa Tech Industry, kahit CEO will encourage you to call them by their name, and not any honorifics.
Di lang sa tech industry. Basta western country na companya, 1st name basis talaga. Nasa Finance ako working tax firm sa US, first name lang din lahat kami kahit manager, supervisor, pinakaboss.
Bakit parang nainggit ka? Check yourself mate.
It is well known na mataas ang sahod ng mga nasa IT industry. We donāt need to brag. It just so happens na people are so absorbed in their titles, they forget the other things that matters, like in the case I stated above. If you are not convinced, it is some post I commented in r/phinvest.
It has been known for a quite some time (in the IT circle) na licensed engineers in the Philippines doesnāt want (gatekeeps) Computer Engineers/Software Engineers using the title. Instant Engineer yung isa nila term kasi wala board exam. Kami naman, we just use it as a catch-all phrase para wala na maraming explanation. We donāt even consider ourselves engineers and you will never see anyone wanting to be called engineer (paps will do). Example: When someone says Iām a Fortran Developer. (Huh, wtf is Fortran? Developer also has lots of different connotations). You get the idea.
Didnāt remember what I replied (as it was maybe more than a year ago) but it was something about gatekeeping and he went backpedalling.
Ironically, that comment was made in Reddit which was built by.. Software Engineers, used in the same context because I donāt know what kind of developers (PHP, Java, etc.,)
Yeah I got your point. Feeling kasi nung iba (hindi ko nilalahat ha) yung PRC exam na ipinasa nila is the same PRC license for them to brag and have an exclusive take with the title of "engineer". It's a common bragging rights for some kaya siguro ganun yung tingin nila sa engineering courses na hindi nag uundergo ng board exam.
Industrial Engineering for example also has no board exam but they have a certification board to recognize them.
It's the same thing with IT, CpE in general. The field of discipline in terms of technology is too wide and rapidly increasing from time to time that you can't really compress the body of knowledge under one board exam.
They should think about this, yung mga nasa technology sector (Computer Science, Computer Engineering, IT) in general they can take certifications based on their skills and strength and that will be globally recognizable. Pumunta ka US, Canada, pakita mo PMP, CISSP mo tatanggapin yon. That's why even ECE's align their skills with networking, firewall technologies or governance and management certifications (CISSP, CISM, PMP) to strengthen their portfolios.
And that's once thing na hindi maintindihan ng mga boomers na bashers ng computer engineering.
Engineer here. Wag naman mag generalize. Sabi ko nga dun sa isang post tungkol dito sa bagong kinahuhumalingan na topic ng r/ph, kapag engineer lang ang tawag sakin, malamang hindi alam ang tunay na pangalan ko.
Oh cge tama na po sir. One engineer asshole nalang para sa āgeneral population of engineersā na santo ang kalooban š. Next time pag di ko alam ang pangalan tatawagin ko nalang na āpogiā, pag babae naman āgandaā
Kaya noong pinanood ko yung How To Get Away with Murder nagtaka ako kung bakit wala naman tumatawag na "Atty." kay Annalise (or meron ba kahit isa, correct me if I'm wrong).
Ang naaalala ko first name ang tawag sa kanya o kaya "Professor Keating"
Someone on a commercial flight having a heart attack.
FA: Help! we need a doctor!
Ph.D.: Raises hand, I am a doctor of Philosophy!
FA: This man is dying!
Ph.D.: Aren't we all dying?
>Parang sa mga Educ students lang ata to naturo
>kasi mostly sa comment section di nila alam or di lang nila binibigay na alam nila.
I've no idea how any of those statements follow the other
This is what I actually do whenever I encounter people who are so insistent on being called their title like Atty., Engr., Archi. or pag mga government officials na gusto lagi to be addressed by their position like Director, Assistant Secretary, Administrator, etc.
Pinapakiramdaman ko ugali nila and if they will eventually let go of being called their title pero if hindi I usually go with either of these two to shut them up:
1. \*Kunyari shocked face ako or nahihiya\* Ay sorry po Mr/Ms ko po kayo tintatawag kanina pa, LGBTQ po ba kayo at may ibang preferred po ba kayo na pronouns na tawagin ko kayo?
2. \*Mejo snarky face naman ako pag ganito\* Okay sige po Atty/Engr/Director/etc., di ako na inform na yung Atty/Engr/Director/etc ay considered na din pala as a new gender. Kala ko Mr/Ms lang.
After that usually tahimik na sila at di nila sila magpupumilit haha.
You might think I am a hypocrite saying this dahil sa username ko. Asklepios was taken kaya dinagdagan ko ng MD.
As a medical doctor, I don't mind people calling me by my name/ kuya/ nonoy outside work. If I have nothing to do with a person's health, I would rather they call me by my name.
Pero sa setting ng hospital or clinic, I introduce myself as Doctor to colleagues and patients to establish my role as a health care practitioner.
Fellow MD here. I hate it when people outside of work call me Doc. And even at work, I don't mind being called by my first name only. I've been mentored by/worked with internationally renowned people who are MDs with PhD who prefer to be called by their first name. Kaya di ko talaga gets tong obsession ng mga Pinoy with their titles and get sooo offended when they're not addressed by their title.
Pero they are still entitled pa rin para dun. Dahil ba kapag "Dr." na medical doctor ang alam natin na gumagamit nun e we are right para i judge yung mga nag PHD?
Seriously, toxic ba kahit entitled sila para dun?
I agree. I had a lot of Professor who really claw their way through doctorate. Medical doctors doesnāt have the exclusive right on the term. In the first place, Doctor doesnāt directly meant healers based on etymology. Ang ibig sabihin nya sa Middle English ay ālearned personā (source google. Lol).
I am a licensed engineer and sabi ko nga dun sa isang thread, kapag engineer lang ang tawag sakin, malamang di nila alam actual name ko. lol.
That said, mas triggered ako dun sa gumagamit ng title kahit hindi naman licensed, tulad nung mga tao samin na nagpapakilalang engineer sa client kahit di naman pasado.
Reminds me of that guy here on reddit who insisted he should be called a pilot even though heās never flown a plane and is just a hobbyist š¤£š¤£š¤£
Obviously talking about my own engineering field na required licenses para makapirma. License kasi nakabala kapag pumalpak project eh.
Wag dagdagan ng context kung wala naman dun. Gagawa pa ng issue eh. Kung may naoffend dito, then it says more about their knee jerk reaction to using titles.
In your opinion po, am I entitled to the "Engr." prefix? I graduated BS-Software Engineering. Our school was the ONLY Philippine school offering the course at the time. Non-licensing.
>but if you're the type to demand people to address you by your "title", and bully them when they refuse to do so? That makes you a massive asshole.
If they have a ph.d, they SHOULD be called a Doctor. Anyone with a good academic background should be given respect to because they contribute more to our society
It's not being an "Asshole" if someone demands you to call them a doctor by having a ph.d, they're entitled to that. The person who is the asshole in your analogy is the one that DOESN'T call someone with a ph.d a doctor.
EDIT: just came back to this and WOW andaming na hurt ang egos XDDD
Just so you know, lahat ng points niyo ay invalid dahil the rhetoric that all of you are using could also be said to Gender Pronouns
Someone demands you to call a woman "him" so you respect that decision by calling him "him".
Someone demands you to call a person a "Doctor" so you respect that decision by calling that person a "Doctor"
It's not hard to respect and just abide by the person's demands since YES they contribute more to our society and moreso on our Country's standards in academe
People here keep pushing for the idea of a "smarter population and smarter masses" tapos pag may taong may ph.d gusto i-disrespect like pwede ba itama niyo naman stances niyo, karamihan talaga sa inyo hypocrite sa totoo lang
The "should" part is kinda iffy and weird. I work in an international research institute. We don't call everybody "doctor" except for formal settings like a conference (except for the after party), or a viva.
You don't demand someone, that alone gives an asshole vibes. You let them acknowledge you on their own. Wouldn't it be better if you let them find out that you actually achieved PhD and you still talk to them without a condescending attitude? They might think that "Wow, he has that title and he still spoke to me like how a normal person would"
"demands" ?? . si hesus nga di ko tinatawag na diyos ko tapos dedemand ka sakin na tawagin ktang duktor dahil lang may mas oppurtunidad ka skin makapagaral? tang ina mo.
You're demanding people to respect you despite having no respectable character to show for, and despite having no respect dun sa mga walang pinagtapusan, pero nagawa pa ring pagtapusin ng degree nila yung mga anak nila gamit ang paglalako, pagbubuhat, pagtatanim, pagiging construction worker, pagtitinda etc.
Tatay ko di nakapagtapos, nagsimula sa wala, natuto gamit lang experience, mga lumang libro, tsaka internet nung matanda na hanggang sa natuto siya ng mechanical, electrical, automotive, fabrication, HVAC, etc. para lang mabigyan kami ng magandang kinabukasan. Walang degree, yet engineer ang tingin o tawag ng mga kliyente sa kanya, and most times sila pa nagyayabang para sa tatay ko sa ibang potential clients. Di dahil pinagyabang niya, kundi dahil sa reputation na binuo niya through countless interactions made using his skills and character, and sa quality ng products and services delivered to his clients.
Di basis for respect ang academic background, it's merely self achievement which can be used as foundation.
Respect isn't demanded, it's earned through effort, skills and character na pinapakita mo sa ng ibang tao.
The meme is weird. If there is one place where it's alright to call PhDs doctors, it is the academe, especially during a formal setting. Might feel weird/awkward on a regular basis especially if you are working in a research institute since almost everyone there has a PhD unless they are interns or students doing thesis.
Not so much awkward hahaha. In a scientific research institute you'd mostly get a lot of research assistants, so you'd still get that constant stream of the word "Doc" addressed everywhere. I do think this topic of being called Dr. as pretentious too black and white. In a research setting, and especially when you join international conferences or workshops, it's normal to address PhD holders as Dr. or sensei for Japanese PhD hodlers. I think it's also a way to convey respect to those in our field too coz PhD will literally make you cry for the most of it, as I've heard.
It is awkward for a day-to-day basis. I don't call my supervisor and the staff scientists and post-docs around me by "Doc." We call each other by first names. Except we address some Japanese professors with "lastname-sensei" because it is part of their culture and we are in Japan. But some of them also prefer to be addressed by their first names especially if they spent most of their academic life in Europe or North America instead of Japan. From what I observed, research group heads are the ones called sensei. A postdoc or technician will not be addressed sensei.
Note: I am talking about the academic setting. In regular Japanese life, physicians do get called sensei at work, same with teachers, and dojo heads are also called sensei. Practically anyone who is highly skilled, respected, and imparts their knowledge to others in their selected craft. Other times people address each other with "lastname-san."
When you first meet people yes you address them as professor (if they head a lab or research group) or doctor (especially if you're a student). But you regularly work with each other, these titles disappear.
Yes, PhD will make you cry and question yourself, your knowledge and competence. Examiners do call PhD students who finish their final dissertation defense exams successfully with "Dr. Lastname" to let them know that they passed. But that is also a formal academic event.
Not everyone recognizes a PHD outright. Even for students, kahit na it's almost a given many profs are PHDs. I think its more on the tangibility of what the title means. An MD has more bearing to the layperson than a PHD in \[specialty\].
I'm not sure how exactly other post-grads view this, pero would you rather demand respect or earn it through reputation? if you met someone new or someone who has little bearing to your field, would it be preferable to demand formality or to earn it?
You have earned your title from your field, your advisers, and those who understand you, yes, but demanding it for the rest of the world seems jaded. As scientists it's probably better to fraternize with the layperson than to estrange them from your field by demanding menial things such as titles.
The point is, some people with these titles let it go through their head. Lumalaki ung ulo. I've witnessed this first hand in the government, some guy with a phd in agriculture, ang baba ng tingin saming CoS/JO.
Exception yun, the vast majority don't mind. May nakawork ako early in my career na grad from a diploma mill, and one na honoris causa, both wanting to be called doctor. Hilarious. I've made it a point not to get acquainted with them, because they're pretty predictable and fits that profile.
Masyado mong na generalize yung post mo. Hindi naman lahat ng may Phd malaki ulo. If they worked hard for it, they deserve it. Hasty generalization and crab mentality lang nakita ko sa post mo. Sana mas maayos trato sa inyo jan.
So inaassume mo na kaagad na hindi nila deserve tawaging "Doc" dahil lang sa personal experience mo sa isang tao?
Natrigger ako since yung mga naging profs ko ay may doctorate degree sa agriculture at malaki na ang nacontribute sa bansa natin so deserve rin nilang matawag na Doc.
This is an isolated situation, I'm sure. I've been in several government agencies throughout my career, and I've never experienced such an attitude towards other co-workers.
While we do have great respect for the *higher ups*, they do not treat those below them with contempt.
Yes, that's why I said some people. That guy also threatened a coworker that he can hire someone to kill him.
> I'm sure. I've been in several government agencies throughout my career, and I've never experienced such an attitude towards other co-workers.
Good for you, some of us are just unfortunate to experience this then. It doesn't mean na hindi nangyari sayo, hindi na nangyayari sa iba.
I was in the academe for 15 years. You must understand that faculty in college fight hard over so little thatās why titles are so important to them. Especially with the infation of knowledge it gets harder and harder to differentiate their value from not just from self-taught professionals but also from skills-based professionals. Imagine nyo para magturo ng culinary arts kailangan may TESDA and/or masters even Phd kahit puro theoretical lang ang alam at hindi umikot sa industry; or teacher ng multimedia arts right after graduation. University is a moldy petri dish.
I remember a meeting I attended before. I worked in the health sector and in that meeting they asked how many doctors are in the room, one PhD raised his hand and the speaker said you're not counted.
Mag masters degree ka para tawagin ka "master" sa academe
You say "obsessing" as if it's a bad thing. To be clear, obsession can be both good and bad. They deserve to be called doctors because doctoral degree holders sila. My father is a PhD holder and my sister is a Medical Doctor; both of them are being called "doc" because they've earned (clawed their way actually lol) what is necessary to achieve their titles. There is no exclusivity that limits the use of the title "doctor" to medical doctors only. That said, whoever holds a doctorate degree is entitled to use the title "doctor." Am I missing something? I don't see why this is a big deal to you. Also, I don't see why this is hard to understand.
Well they deserve being called doctors. Even a masters degree is so hard. Ano pa ang PhD diba? They deserve to be called sa specialty nila.
What they dont deserve is stepping on people who are below them. No one deserves to be stepped on, litterally and metaphorically.
Hopefully when I attain my PhD, imo hindi naman sa required na lagyan ka ng echeburetse sa pangalan, pero once na minaliit ng iba yung hirap na pinagdaanan mo at na-question yung authority over the field you are specialized in. Hindi ako lumuha ng dugo para lang sabihan na nakita nila sa Internet kung ano man sinasabi nila. Though the feeling of being called Prof (kahit hindi naman kasi instructor lang dapat) is the same as the picture, it a boost of morale tbh.
The ones that I don't understand the most are Archt. for Architect and Engr. for Engineer. No where else in the world do you see people putting those prefixes on their names except here.
I really hate it when people have to introduce themselves with their title and expect them to be called with their title as if we're like the British monarchy and shit. nobody cares if you're an engineer, pilot, colonel or a fucking phd grad of philippine studies if you have the attitude of an asshole
If in professional setting ay dapat lang naman talaga. Kaso kung mamimili ka lang sa super market or kakain sa restaurant, tapos gusto mong tawagin ka pa sa title mo e parang tanga lang ang dating nun.
Hmm. Kung ang setting ay aligned sa specialization mo o acting like one ka sa setting na yun, wala naman sigurong kaso sa pagrequest na tawagin ka sa titulo mo. Wala akong regard kung tawagin ako o hindi sa titulo ko sa trabaho, goods na sa akin yung maayos na pakikisama sa akin sa trabaho regardless sa estado o background.
Then again, different strokes for different folks; kung yun trip nila, let them be dahil may bitbit na mabigat na liabilities ang mga tao na yun sa ginagawa nila, baka morale boost yung pagtawag sa title. Baka ganun rationale.
Pero kung sa pang-araw araw na buhay, at any setting at nagdedemand sa titulo, doon na magiging medyo off. May mga tao sa paligid ko na ginawang personality ang pagiging titulado (o projection nila sa titulo kahit kakagraduate pa lang, di pa pumapasa), na inaasahang kailangan automatically mataas tingin sa kanila dahil ganito sila, ganyan sila.
Exactly what I was thinking. I have no problem calling people by their titles if we are working in an educational or professional setting. Pero pag casual encounter or conversation na, I would prefer to level our interaction by calling them by their name.
This is something I canāt get behind. This is only for people who attach their self worth to their achievements.
I get the pinaghirapan and being proud. It should stop there. But to be offended when not being āhonoredā by an honorific that really will not matter at the end of the conversation is something else. This is the same as managers making their subordinates call them maāam/sir. 2023 na, your title is not your self worth. People will remember you more by being compassionate, than how many abbreviations are attached to your name.
It's the fulfillment part that's satisfying when getting called "Doc" or what ever title you've earned. It's pretty normal to feel good getting called that since pinaghirapan and puyatan mo yung shit na yan. If they prefer being called by their titles, then ok lol.
Wala pa akong namemeet na ganyan so far. Pero dahil siguro sa sobrang kilala na nila sa field nila, di na kailangang tawagin silang ganun, except lang kapag iniintroduce sa formal setting.
Yeah because you worked hard for it all the stress of reviewing late at night pag biyahe ng maaga to pass your papers the people you meet along the way the development you have and the progress you creat to your career as an individual,
idagdag mo pa yung mindset ng ibabg pinoy na "bakit ka pa mag aaral nakapagtapos ka naman na pwede ka na mag trabaho nalang"
The thing is if it's not for you and it's not hurting you or affecting you directly let them be :) try it OP and i hope you get successful in earning titles too
Oo karamihan sa mga may mga titulo gustong gusto nila tawagin ng Engr, Director, Doc, Attorney ung mga manager ini issuehan ka ng memo pag di mo sila tinawag na Sir at Maam. Tapos pag napunta sa ibang bansa mga pangalan lng nila tinatawag sa kanila. Mga sandamakmak na tamolmol tlga.
I find āentitledā to answer this since Iām in a titled profession and works in a US company. Filipinos are indeed obsessed with titles cause some of my more experienced colleagues with more knowledge than like me who is a fresh fish in the pond have experienced discrimination just because they didnāt have the title to back up their experience.
And yes, foreigner wonāt care if you are titled and will call you directly by your first name. Here in the Philippines, they will call you Doc, Engr or Atty even if you didnāt mentioned that you are one. They somehow finds out sooner or later. Tbh, I donāt prefer being called with my title, it brings with it a sense of responsibility that I donāt think I want to impose before even knowing me personally.
I kid you not, pati approval sheet namin nung thesis nahihirapan ako dahil sa damiraming title ng panelist namin tuloy nasisira yung format at para na akong ewan sa kakaadjust na mag align yung titles at yung pangalan ng panelist.
Hindi ka ba nagkaroon ng propesor o instructor sa College na nagtuturo sa inyo habang sabay sa pagkuha niya ng Doctorate? Hindi niyo ba sila binati o tinawag na Doctor?
I've had teachers who are PhD holders from grade school to med school at lahat sila teacher/ma'am/sir lang ang tawag namin. Post grad (abroad), first name lang tawag ko sa mga professor ko kahit may PhD sila lol.
PhD's are not the only doctors in the academe as there are different doctorate degrees depending on the discipline. They deserve the same level of respect "from their fields" of discipline. Most people don't understand this because when we talk about the word doctor, the first thing that'll come up in mind is the MD, which ofc as we all know that their field of study is as hard a f\*ck compared with other fields. The title itself however is just an academic term of respect and nothing more.
I just hate it when people love to be acknowledged by their titles rather than their actual contributions to the field of study. LOL.
Buti pa nga kung talagang legit naman yung diploma/pagiging board passer/lisensya lol.
Nakakaloka sa subdivision namin: May isa, tinatawag sya na āattyā ā pero yun pala limang beses na bumagsak sa bar exams. Yung isa ādocā daw itawag sa kanya, yun pala nalaman namin na tumatao lang siya sa optical clinic na pagma-may ari ng asawa niya. Yung āattyā at ādocā naging presidente pa kasi they never corrected people na akala eh abogado at doctor sila, ginamit nila yung titles na tawag sa kanila to win.
Totoo naman na for many, nakasanayan na yung ganyang habit. But I personally think na mas okay kung maging honest yung tao hanggaāt hindi pa nakukumpleto yung program or kung hindi pa officially licensed. Kung nireremind niyo naman sila politely na hindi pa kayo doktor or abugado, thatās good.
Yung nabanggit ko sa taas is an issue for me kasi yung āattyā na yan samin, he never corrected people na tumatawag sa kanya ng ganun. Feel na feel pa nga nya if anything. Ending ginamit niya para paikutin mga tao dun sa subdv. namin. Hindi na nga totoong abugado, nanloloko pa. Same dun sa isa na sya pa nagsasabing ādokā itawag sa kanya.
Iba ang effect sakin.
Yung mga kapitbahay namin tuwing dadaan ako tinatawag akong attorney kahit na law student palang ako. Palagi kong sinasabi na hindi pa. Matagal pa. Pero wala ganun pa rin. I-claim ko na daw. While it can be motivating for some, mas na stress ako. Nakaka pressure. Paulit-ulit na lang. I stopped correcting them kasi nakakapagod na din. Nginingitian ko na lang sila, pero deep inside hindi nakakatuwa.
Edit: spelling
Understandable yung mapapagod ka nalang kasi totoo naman na may hindi makikinig kahit ilang beses mo i-clarify.
For me basta hindi ginagamit to take advantage of others or make others feel inferior, okay lang sa akin kung ano ang preferred nung tao na
gawin ng iba regarding his/her educational attainment or professional career.
Mas higher ang MD degree kesa sa PhD, because you need a Bachelor degree ( 4-5 years )+ Med proper (5 years) then board exam. Mas lalong higher if the MD nag undergo ng residency and subspecialty (fellowship).
Medical doctors are giving knowledge also, hindi lang kami taga reseta. We are also scientist, researcher, professors etc. When we were med students, lahat ng professors namin ay mga licensed MD.
I am a medical doctor, pero hindi ako nagpapakilalang doktor outside the hospital ,unless it's necessary.
I'm a physician too but MD is definitely not "higher" than PhDs. At best, it's the equivalent to a Master's Degree (at least in the Philippines) because you can only pursue an MD after your Bachelor's. Even then, in the academe, MDs practically get lumped with Bachelor degree holders. Your MD only gives you authority in clinical settings. In any case, it's a case of false equivalency.
After getting an MD, people who want to have a career in the academe need a Master's degree, and a PhD after that.
Source: I'm an MD, with a Master's and PhD.
I think you're comparing apples to oranges. A PhD is considered as the highest degree in academia while and MD is a professional degree. Neither is higher or lower than the other.
Review your earlier statement :
"and you do know that PhD is somewhat higher than JD and MD(correct me people if im wrong po) cause PhD holder mean you are not just consuming knowledge but rather you are the one giving knowledge base sa field of expertise mo (correct me again if mali po ako)"
Your earlier statement said "PhD is somewhat higher" because "you are the one giving knowledge" base sa field of expertise mo.
Are you implying na Medical doctors are not giving knowledge based on our expertise kaya in your opinion mas higher ang PhD?
And now you are saying neither is higher or lower.
A lot of people seem to forget that the term Doctor, initially refers to people experts on their field, hindi dahil sa mga medical practitoners. The word itself is rooted in latin, meaning "to teach". Kung entitlement lang naman, mas entitled sila sa term na doctor.
OP mega facepalm.
naalala ko yun kapit bahay namin, nag sponsor at nag coach lang ng mga bata sa basketball tournament sa barangay namin naging coach chot na tawag sa kanya š¤£š¤Ŗš¤”
Calling a person with the name extension they are entitled to when working within the field is totally okay. It just screams crab mentality for people to bash on others who worked for their graduate degrees in the field and requested to be addressed accordingly. Forcing to be called their titles outside of work is a whole 'nother story. Let people enjoy their achievements.
PhDās only work in certain sectors like research, pharmacology, engineering and academe and similar.
But seeing them in govt post is just them waiting for fat paychecksā¦ remember those dimwits during lockdown?
The only non-MD that I referred to as Dr. was the late great Placido Mapa of Metrobank which we fondly called āDoc Mapaā ā as respect to his seniority and achievements in the banking industry.
This is actually a fact. We are obsessed for being entitled to our career background especially in the field of medicine. Some countries rarely use that title since they have already a system that will grant you special priveleges without putting a fancy acronym in your last name.
So?
That just proves that some people love their field regardless of how much they're paid. Maraming nage-enroll sa engineering schools simply because they like what engineers do. Ano masama dun?
You're mocking it na "17k matawag lang na Engr" but that's the point. Pangarap nila maging engineers, di dahil sa pera, pero dahil gusto nila yung career/field
Pinaghirapan namin yun. Hindi dahil maganda lang pakinggan. May ambag din naman kami sa lipunan hindi naman kami nagaral at nagtrabaho bilang engineer para lang sa pangalan.
Chill ka lang sir. Engineer din ako. I'm just talking about dun sa mga na-experience ko. Lalo na pag sa field ka. They don't give any respect sa'yo kahit Engineer ka sa site unless you can prove yourself old heads.
Respect is earned not given. Hindi dahil engineer ka eh bibigyan ka ng respeto agad. Site engineer din ako. Hindi ako nagengineering para mataas tingin ng tao sakin at respetuhin ako dahil lang engineer ako.
sobrang cringe nung nakita kong wedding invitation ng workmate ko, pareho din silang Engineer ng jowa nya tapos may nakalagay na prefix na Engr. sa mga pangalan nila dun sa frontpage.
di ko alam kung normal yun kasi usually naman first names or last names lang nakalagay like "Diaz - Dela Cruz Nuptials" or "Donny & Coleen".
I remember reading about the story. Mejo tongue-in-cheek na may halong bitter si ategurrl dahil sa lahat ng dinanas niya para makumpleto ang PhD reqs niya, at dahil doon feeling niya entitled siya na ma-address bilang Doctor. Pero naglalabas lang naman siya ng saloobin. She did say being called Miss ____ was okay. I don't think that counts as obsession.
I've encountered "actual" MDs na parang nawawalan ng ganang kumain ng isang linggo kung di tinatawag na doc man lang. There's "Dr. Farrah" of course. There's that Healing Galing host who "donated" to a school in Africa or India to be given a PhD -- as in Doctor of Philosophy (Alternative Medicine), not honorary doctorate. Then there's Francis Schaeffer who insisted on being called a doctor, even at home, after getting an honorary degree.
Siguro by culture? Kse un lawyer namin sa US first name basis kme eh lol. Di ko naman tinatanggal sa kanila karapatan nila sa pinaghirapan nila. Like if nagpakilala sila sa school na Prof or Doc, sa school or work let's address them as such.
Wait idgi bc I didnāt go to the ph for school. Here in the US, if your professor has a PhD, you usually refer to them as Dr. __. I was told nung college na rude na hindi tawaging Dr. yung mga professor na may doctorate. Pero outside the academic setting, naglalagay lang sila ng PhD after their name.
If it is in a school setting and you are addressed by your students and peers, i think it should not be an issue. Call them Drs. if they want to be called one. They spent money and effort for it. Calling them that does not really make life harder for you. Outside the school setting though it is kinda weird.
deserve kung deserve nila matawag pero you dont "force" people to hand over to you what you deserve. also at the end of the day only people who are egotistical are the only ones affected by this.
I don't get this post. This is not only a Filipino thing. Most asians use titles out of respect. Especially East Asians. You have to always use the right title or else it's disrespectful. If you ever watch kdramas, you may have heard people don't call using just names. It's always name + title (Kim seonbaenim, Park seonsaengnim, etc). Japanese use honorifics also, -sama, -san, etc.
Of course there are assh*les who don't deserve titles especially when they are just lying or using it to scam others. But most of them actually deserve their titles. Don't generalize.
Both things can be true. Generally speaking, these people are entitled to these, well, titles. With that said, wag kasi gawing personality ang title.
>Generally speaking, these people are entitled to these, well, titles. Being entitled the title is different from feeling entitled to be addressed by that title.
That will follow. Being entitled to the title entitles them to be addressed as such. As always, context and situation matters.
I don't get why people prefer to call me Atty when I am in fact, a male, therefore I am Koya šāāļø
hinanap ko joke na to
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OMG hahaha.
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Lawyers using Atty when goddamnit that is not a thing and globally recognize title.
E kumusta naman ang mga Architect and Engineers?
Engineer here pero prefers to be called pogi or daks HAHHAA joke. Tama manager ko dati sa PLDT nung intern ako, titles don't mean anything if you can't act up for it. Sa academe ata very particular sila sa ganyan.
Toxic din yan mga yan. May naging instructor akong nabastusan daw sakin kc di ko daw siya address na āEngr. Xxxxā kc di ko naman alam kaya address ko siyang Mr. Xxxx. Pero panis parin sa mga lawyers yan. Isa sa mga starter pack ng mga lawyers: Sasakyan na may āattyā or lawyer na plaka. May sticker ng scale, may sticker din dapat sang law school galing, the bigger the better. Bonus ung may frat sticker hahaha
Some Civil Engineer asked me what my job is, sabi ko Software Engineer. Sabi nya kami daw pala yung mga pekeng engineers. Hahahah, pakialam ko sa title nya, 4x naman sahod ko hahahaha. P.S. First name basis sa Tech Industry, kahit CEO will encourage you to call them by their name, and not any honorifics.
Di lang sa tech industry. Basta western country na companya, 1st name basis talaga. Nasa Finance ako working tax firm sa US, first name lang din lahat kami kahit manager, supervisor, pinakaboss.
bakit parang amoy may imaginary basher para lang makapag brag ng sahod hahaha
Bakit parang nainggit ka? Check yourself mate. It is well known na mataas ang sahod ng mga nasa IT industry. We donāt need to brag. It just so happens na people are so absorbed in their titles, they forget the other things that matters, like in the case I stated above. If you are not convinced, it is some post I commented in r/phinvest.
Hahaha chill ka lang pre, you just sound so contradicting with whatever take you have
You just confirmed na may imaginary basher para lang makapag-brag ng sahod haha. well played
Chill ka lang din dude hehehe. I sense a lot of edginess in you.
Pekeng engineer ka daw ba? LOL. Sana sinabi mo mag asikaso nalang siya ng paper works. LOL.
It has been known for a quite some time (in the IT circle) na licensed engineers in the Philippines doesnāt want (gatekeeps) Computer Engineers/Software Engineers using the title. Instant Engineer yung isa nila term kasi wala board exam. Kami naman, we just use it as a catch-all phrase para wala na maraming explanation. We donāt even consider ourselves engineers and you will never see anyone wanting to be called engineer (paps will do). Example: When someone says Iām a Fortran Developer. (Huh, wtf is Fortran? Developer also has lots of different connotations). You get the idea. Didnāt remember what I replied (as it was maybe more than a year ago) but it was something about gatekeeping and he went backpedalling. Ironically, that comment was made in Reddit which was built by.. Software Engineers, used in the same context because I donāt know what kind of developers (PHP, Java, etc.,)
Yeah I got your point. Feeling kasi nung iba (hindi ko nilalahat ha) yung PRC exam na ipinasa nila is the same PRC license for them to brag and have an exclusive take with the title of "engineer". It's a common bragging rights for some kaya siguro ganun yung tingin nila sa engineering courses na hindi nag uundergo ng board exam. Industrial Engineering for example also has no board exam but they have a certification board to recognize them. It's the same thing with IT, CpE in general. The field of discipline in terms of technology is too wide and rapidly increasing from time to time that you can't really compress the body of knowledge under one board exam. They should think about this, yung mga nasa technology sector (Computer Science, Computer Engineering, IT) in general they can take certifications based on their skills and strength and that will be globally recognizable. Pumunta ka US, Canada, pakita mo PMP, CISSP mo tatanggapin yon. That's why even ECE's align their skills with networking, firewall technologies or governance and management certifications (CISSP, CISM, PMP) to strengthen their portfolios. And that's once thing na hindi maintindihan ng mga boomers na bashers ng computer engineering.
Which point? Hahaha lmao
Engineer here. Wag naman mag generalize. Sabi ko nga dun sa isang post tungkol dito sa bagong kinahuhumalingan na topic ng r/ph, kapag engineer lang ang tawag sakin, malamang hindi alam ang tunay na pangalan ko.
Oh cge tama na po sir. One engineer asshole nalang para sa āgeneral population of engineersā na santo ang kalooban š. Next time pag di ko alam ang pangalan tatawagin ko nalang na āpogiā, pag babae naman āgandaā
As an introvert, di rin ako lumilingon pag ganyan.
Kaya noong pinanood ko yung How To Get Away with Murder nagtaka ako kung bakit wala naman tumatawag na "Atty." kay Annalise (or meron ba kahit isa, correct me if I'm wrong). Ang naaalala ko first name ang tawag sa kanya o kaya "Professor Keating"
Maski rin sa Suits (if anyone watched it here), they address each other by name (either first names or whole name).
Someone on a commercial flight having a heart attack. FA: Help! we need a doctor! Ph.D.: Raises hand, I am a doctor of Philosophy! FA: This man is dying! Ph.D.: Aren't we all dying?
This meme is probably old enough to get a driver's license.
its old enough that its drivers license got expired
It's old enough for a senior citizen discount.
The best jokes are always in the comments
be respectful sa isang hall of famer
Probably old enough to retire and receive pension.
But did he truly live?
I prefer the phd in math. Doctor arrives after flight attendant calls for help from a doctor for passenger in medical distress. Doctor of math: -1
LOL
The design is very Ross
A PHD IS A DOCTORATE IT'S LITERALLY DESCRIBING A DOCTOR.
A PHD IS A DOCTORATE IT'S LITERALLY DESCRIBING A DOCTOR.
Origin of the word doctor is teacher. Phds are actually more of a doctor than the medical doctors.
Cap'n Holt would be proud
A PHD IS A DOCTORATE IT'S LITERALLY DESCRIBING A DOCTOR
Well ganyan sa Japan, it's "sensei" regardless.
Evident when the subtitle address Sakura Haruno as Doctor, but the dub says "Sensei"
Health education is teaching too.
Not the point of their comment, but ok.
Parang sa mga Educ students lang ata to naturo kasi mostly sa comment section di nila alam or di lang nila binibigay na alam nila.
>Parang sa mga Educ students lang ata to naturo >kasi mostly sa comment section di nila alam or di lang nila binibigay na alam nila. I've no idea how any of those statements follow the other
This is what I actually do whenever I encounter people who are so insistent on being called their title like Atty., Engr., Archi. or pag mga government officials na gusto lagi to be addressed by their position like Director, Assistant Secretary, Administrator, etc. Pinapakiramdaman ko ugali nila and if they will eventually let go of being called their title pero if hindi I usually go with either of these two to shut them up: 1. \*Kunyari shocked face ako or nahihiya\* Ay sorry po Mr/Ms ko po kayo tintatawag kanina pa, LGBTQ po ba kayo at may ibang preferred po ba kayo na pronouns na tawagin ko kayo? 2. \*Mejo snarky face naman ako pag ganito\* Okay sige po Atty/Engr/Director/etc., di ako na inform na yung Atty/Engr/Director/etc ay considered na din pala as a new gender. Kala ko Mr/Ms lang. After that usually tahimik na sila at di nila sila magpupumilit haha.
You might think I am a hypocrite saying this dahil sa username ko. Asklepios was taken kaya dinagdagan ko ng MD. As a medical doctor, I don't mind people calling me by my name/ kuya/ nonoy outside work. If I have nothing to do with a person's health, I would rather they call me by my name. Pero sa setting ng hospital or clinic, I introduce myself as Doctor to colleagues and patients to establish my role as a health care practitioner.
Fellow MD here. I hate it when people outside of work call me Doc. And even at work, I don't mind being called by my first name only. I've been mentored by/worked with internationally renowned people who are MDs with PhD who prefer to be called by their first name. Kaya di ko talaga gets tong obsession ng mga Pinoy with their titles and get sooo offended when they're not addressed by their title.
Pero they are still entitled pa rin para dun. Dahil ba kapag "Dr." na medical doctor ang alam natin na gumagamit nun e we are right para i judge yung mga nag PHD? Seriously, toxic ba kahit entitled sila para dun?
I agree. I had a lot of Professor who really claw their way through doctorate. Medical doctors doesnāt have the exclusive right on the term. In the first place, Doctor doesnāt directly meant healers based on etymology. Ang ibig sabihin nya sa Middle English ay ālearned personā (source google. Lol).
I am a licensed engineer and sabi ko nga dun sa isang thread, kapag engineer lang ang tawag sakin, malamang di nila alam actual name ko. lol. That said, mas triggered ako dun sa gumagamit ng title kahit hindi naman licensed, tulad nung mga tao samin na nagpapakilalang engineer sa client kahit di naman pasado.
Reminds me of that guy here on reddit who insisted he should be called a pilot even though heās never flown a plane and is just a hobbyist š¤£š¤£š¤£
Oh yeah. The Sims guy. hahahahaha Thats so funny.
Hahahaha ang cringe nun pati ninuno ko napaputangina sa other world e.
Me with a Computer Engineering degree na walang license since technology evolves so fast by the time na board exam na, outdated na yung questions šÆ
Field-experienced Computer/Industrial engineers (non-licensing) na entitled sa Engr. prefix : š
Obviously talking about my own engineering field na required licenses para makapirma. License kasi nakabala kapag pumalpak project eh. Wag dagdagan ng context kung wala naman dun. Gagawa pa ng issue eh. Kung may naoffend dito, then it says more about their knee jerk reaction to using titles.
In your opinion po, am I entitled to the "Engr." prefix? I graduated BS-Software Engineering. Our school was the ONLY Philippine school offering the course at the time. Non-licensing.
seconded. iirc, nasa batas somewhere yung "right to affix his/her name engr." once pasado sa board.
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>but if you're the type to demand people to address you by your "title", and bully them when they refuse to do so? That makes you a massive asshole. If they have a ph.d, they SHOULD be called a Doctor. Anyone with a good academic background should be given respect to because they contribute more to our society It's not being an "Asshole" if someone demands you to call them a doctor by having a ph.d, they're entitled to that. The person who is the asshole in your analogy is the one that DOESN'T call someone with a ph.d a doctor. EDIT: just came back to this and WOW andaming na hurt ang egos XDDD Just so you know, lahat ng points niyo ay invalid dahil the rhetoric that all of you are using could also be said to Gender Pronouns Someone demands you to call a woman "him" so you respect that decision by calling him "him". Someone demands you to call a person a "Doctor" so you respect that decision by calling that person a "Doctor" It's not hard to respect and just abide by the person's demands since YES they contribute more to our society and moreso on our Country's standards in academe People here keep pushing for the idea of a "smarter population and smarter masses" tapos pag may taong may ph.d gusto i-disrespect like pwede ba itama niyo naman stances niyo, karamihan talaga sa inyo hypocrite sa totoo lang
The "should" part is kinda iffy and weird. I work in an international research institute. We don't call everybody "doctor" except for formal settings like a conference (except for the after party), or a viva.
You don't demand someone, that alone gives an asshole vibes. You let them acknowledge you on their own. Wouldn't it be better if you let them find out that you actually achieved PhD and you still talk to them without a condescending attitude? They might think that "Wow, he has that title and he still spoke to me like how a normal person would"
"demands" ?? . si hesus nga di ko tinatawag na diyos ko tapos dedemand ka sakin na tawagin ktang duktor dahil lang may mas oppurtunidad ka skin makapagaral? tang ina mo.
More to the society lol.
Damn. OPs comment is what you get when you make your profession into your whole personality. Hirap sa ibang tao masyadong uhaw sa validation.
You're demanding people to respect you despite having no respectable character to show for, and despite having no respect dun sa mga walang pinagtapusan, pero nagawa pa ring pagtapusin ng degree nila yung mga anak nila gamit ang paglalako, pagbubuhat, pagtatanim, pagiging construction worker, pagtitinda etc. Tatay ko di nakapagtapos, nagsimula sa wala, natuto gamit lang experience, mga lumang libro, tsaka internet nung matanda na hanggang sa natuto siya ng mechanical, electrical, automotive, fabrication, HVAC, etc. para lang mabigyan kami ng magandang kinabukasan. Walang degree, yet engineer ang tingin o tawag ng mga kliyente sa kanya, and most times sila pa nagyayabang para sa tatay ko sa ibang potential clients. Di dahil pinagyabang niya, kundi dahil sa reputation na binuo niya through countless interactions made using his skills and character, and sa quality ng products and services delivered to his clients. Di basis for respect ang academic background, it's merely self achievement which can be used as foundation. Respect isn't demanded, it's earned through effort, skills and character na pinapakita mo sa ng ibang tao.
The meme is weird. If there is one place where it's alright to call PhDs doctors, it is the academe, especially during a formal setting. Might feel weird/awkward on a regular basis especially if you are working in a research institute since almost everyone there has a PhD unless they are interns or students doing thesis.
Not so much awkward hahaha. In a scientific research institute you'd mostly get a lot of research assistants, so you'd still get that constant stream of the word "Doc" addressed everywhere. I do think this topic of being called Dr. as pretentious too black and white. In a research setting, and especially when you join international conferences or workshops, it's normal to address PhD holders as Dr. or sensei for Japanese PhD hodlers. I think it's also a way to convey respect to those in our field too coz PhD will literally make you cry for the most of it, as I've heard.
It is awkward for a day-to-day basis. I don't call my supervisor and the staff scientists and post-docs around me by "Doc." We call each other by first names. Except we address some Japanese professors with "lastname-sensei" because it is part of their culture and we are in Japan. But some of them also prefer to be addressed by their first names especially if they spent most of their academic life in Europe or North America instead of Japan. From what I observed, research group heads are the ones called sensei. A postdoc or technician will not be addressed sensei. Note: I am talking about the academic setting. In regular Japanese life, physicians do get called sensei at work, same with teachers, and dojo heads are also called sensei. Practically anyone who is highly skilled, respected, and imparts their knowledge to others in their selected craft. Other times people address each other with "lastname-san." When you first meet people yes you address them as professor (if they head a lab or research group) or doctor (especially if you're a student). But you regularly work with each other, these titles disappear. Yes, PhD will make you cry and question yourself, your knowledge and competence. Examiners do call PhD students who finish their final dissertation defense exams successfully with "Dr. Lastname" to let them know that they passed. But that is also a formal academic event.
Mas okay na yung tawaging DR dahil pinaghirapan nila yung PHD nila kesa namang tawaging "honorable" pero magnanakaw at sinungaling
Not everyone recognizes a PHD outright. Even for students, kahit na it's almost a given many profs are PHDs. I think its more on the tangibility of what the title means. An MD has more bearing to the layperson than a PHD in \[specialty\]. I'm not sure how exactly other post-grads view this, pero would you rather demand respect or earn it through reputation? if you met someone new or someone who has little bearing to your field, would it be preferable to demand formality or to earn it? You have earned your title from your field, your advisers, and those who understand you, yes, but demanding it for the rest of the world seems jaded. As scientists it's probably better to fraternize with the layperson than to estrange them from your field by demanding menial things such as titles.
True deserve naman nila lalo ang hirap kaya ng dissertation
The point is, some people with these titles let it go through their head. Lumalaki ung ulo. I've witnessed this first hand in the government, some guy with a phd in agriculture, ang baba ng tingin saming CoS/JO.
Exception yun, the vast majority don't mind. May nakawork ako early in my career na grad from a diploma mill, and one na honoris causa, both wanting to be called doctor. Hilarious. I've made it a point not to get acquainted with them, because they're pretty predictable and fits that profile.
Masyado mong na generalize yung post mo. Hindi naman lahat ng may Phd malaki ulo. If they worked hard for it, they deserve it. Hasty generalization and crab mentality lang nakita ko sa post mo. Sana mas maayos trato sa inyo jan.
So inaassume mo na kaagad na hindi nila deserve tawaging "Doc" dahil lang sa personal experience mo sa isang tao? Natrigger ako since yung mga naging profs ko ay may doctorate degree sa agriculture at malaki na ang nacontribute sa bansa natin so deserve rin nilang matawag na Doc.
Why would you assume that I think na di nila deserve? I said some.
LOL! All the hate coming from envy and self pity.
Totally. Ang bitter ng post. Yung sa case nya is totally different which parang nirelate lang don
This is an isolated situation, I'm sure. I've been in several government agencies throughout my career, and I've never experienced such an attitude towards other co-workers. While we do have great respect for the *higher ups*, they do not treat those below them with contempt.
Yes, that's why I said some people. That guy also threatened a coworker that he can hire someone to kill him. > I'm sure. I've been in several government agencies throughout my career, and I've never experienced such an attitude towards other co-workers. Good for you, some of us are just unfortunate to experience this then. It doesn't mean na hindi nangyari sayo, hindi na nangyayari sa iba.
Where in your original post said **SOME** people, though? The original post was generalised. Nag simula ka lang mag āsomeā nung nakukuyog ka na.
Nag back track š¤£
Ok lang kung estudyante. Prof nga namin na sa Taiwan pa nag masters at doctorate, Sir ung tawag namin.
Ohhh, that's why you made this post. Got it.
Entitled? Who entitles you to demand to be called with something on your name? For every title, let's stop obsessing with that.
Basta ako patapos na ko sa Masters ko, so I will be called "Master Joenaph" MWAHAHAHA /s
Pag natapos ako sa Masters ko gusto ko tawag sakin "boss amo"
I was in the academe for 15 years. You must understand that faculty in college fight hard over so little thatās why titles are so important to them. Especially with the infation of knowledge it gets harder and harder to differentiate their value from not just from self-taught professionals but also from skills-based professionals. Imagine nyo para magturo ng culinary arts kailangan may TESDA and/or masters even Phd kahit puro theoretical lang ang alam at hindi umikot sa industry; or teacher ng multimedia arts right after graduation. University is a moldy petri dish.
I remember a meeting I attended before. I worked in the health sector and in that meeting they asked how many doctors are in the room, one PhD raised his hand and the speaker said you're not counted.
Mag masters degree ka para tawagin ka "master" sa academe You say "obsessing" as if it's a bad thing. To be clear, obsession can be both good and bad. They deserve to be called doctors because doctoral degree holders sila. My father is a PhD holder and my sister is a Medical Doctor; both of them are being called "doc" because they've earned (clawed their way actually lol) what is necessary to achieve their titles. There is no exclusivity that limits the use of the title "doctor" to medical doctors only. That said, whoever holds a doctorate degree is entitled to use the title "doctor." Am I missing something? I don't see why this is a big deal to you. Also, I don't see why this is hard to understand.
Saw a rant somewhere where this "doctor" was offended at students who addressed her as "miss". Probably what this post is referring to.
Nabasa ko last year na mas doctor yung mg PhD kaysa mga MD talaga
Physicians were given MD titles way later than PhDs, unless they are doing medical research then they get a PhD.
Reminds me of Ross š
Well they deserve being called doctors. Even a masters degree is so hard. Ano pa ang PhD diba? They deserve to be called sa specialty nila. What they dont deserve is stepping on people who are below them. No one deserves to be stepped on, litterally and metaphorically.
Hopefully when I attain my PhD, imo hindi naman sa required na lagyan ka ng echeburetse sa pangalan, pero once na minaliit ng iba yung hirap na pinagdaanan mo at na-question yung authority over the field you are specialized in. Hindi ako lumuha ng dugo para lang sabihan na nakita nila sa Internet kung ano man sinasabi nila. Though the feeling of being called Prof (kahit hindi naman kasi instructor lang dapat) is the same as the picture, it a boost of morale tbh.
The ones that I don't understand the most are Archt. for Architect and Engr. for Engineer. No where else in the world do you see people putting those prefixes on their names except here.
Yung may car plate na "PROSECUTOR" haha tigas na tigas sa sarili
Patawag nga akong "Bachelor" kasi nakapagtapos naman ako ng bachelor of science
I really hate it when people have to introduce themselves with their title and expect them to be called with their title as if we're like the British monarchy and shit. nobody cares if you're an engineer, pilot, colonel or a fucking phd grad of philippine studies if you have the attitude of an asshole
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Honorific lang kasi yun, not an actual title
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I know i know mandatory āfuck politiciansā comment on a non-political post I gotchu
If in professional setting ay dapat lang naman talaga. Kaso kung mamimili ka lang sa super market or kakain sa restaurant, tapos gusto mong tawagin ka pa sa title mo e parang tanga lang ang dating nun.
Hmm. Kung ang setting ay aligned sa specialization mo o acting like one ka sa setting na yun, wala naman sigurong kaso sa pagrequest na tawagin ka sa titulo mo. Wala akong regard kung tawagin ako o hindi sa titulo ko sa trabaho, goods na sa akin yung maayos na pakikisama sa akin sa trabaho regardless sa estado o background. Then again, different strokes for different folks; kung yun trip nila, let them be dahil may bitbit na mabigat na liabilities ang mga tao na yun sa ginagawa nila, baka morale boost yung pagtawag sa title. Baka ganun rationale. Pero kung sa pang-araw araw na buhay, at any setting at nagdedemand sa titulo, doon na magiging medyo off. May mga tao sa paligid ko na ginawang personality ang pagiging titulado (o projection nila sa titulo kahit kakagraduate pa lang, di pa pumapasa), na inaasahang kailangan automatically mataas tingin sa kanila dahil ganito sila, ganyan sila.
Exactly what I was thinking. I have no problem calling people by their titles if we are working in an educational or professional setting. Pero pag casual encounter or conversation na, I would prefer to level our interaction by calling them by their name.
I disagree, we always say that education is important tapos ngayon ayaw natin to give respect to those who went and got educated? jeez man
This is something I canāt get behind. This is only for people who attach their self worth to their achievements. I get the pinaghirapan and being proud. It should stop there. But to be offended when not being āhonoredā by an honorific that really will not matter at the end of the conversation is something else. This is the same as managers making their subordinates call them maāam/sir. 2023 na, your title is not your self worth. People will remember you more by being compassionate, than how many abbreviations are attached to your name.
It's the fulfillment part that's satisfying when getting called "Doc" or what ever title you've earned. It's pretty normal to feel good getting called that since pinaghirapan and puyatan mo yung shit na yan. If they prefer being called by their titles, then ok lol.
Wala pa akong namemeet na ganyan so far. Pero dahil siguro sa sobrang kilala na nila sa field nila, di na kailangang tawagin silang ganun, except lang kapag iniintroduce sa formal setting.
i had a superior who is a doctor but i keep on calling him sir. hindi naman siya nao-offend. hehe.
Naalala ko tuloy yung naglagay suffix sa name nya na "Ph.D. 12 units". Kaloka..
we obsess almost about everything even petty ones because of how our toxic culture molded us since child birth
getting called mamser
kaya di ako tumuloy ng phd ko kasi mas gusto ko tawagin nila akong master š
Yeah because you worked hard for it all the stress of reviewing late at night pag biyahe ng maaga to pass your papers the people you meet along the way the development you have and the progress you creat to your career as an individual, idagdag mo pa yung mindset ng ibabg pinoy na "bakit ka pa mag aaral nakapagtapos ka naman na pwede ka na mag trabaho nalang" The thing is if it's not for you and it's not hurting you or affecting you directly let them be :) try it OP and i hope you get successful in earning titles too
Oo karamihan sa mga may mga titulo gustong gusto nila tawagin ng Engr, Director, Doc, Attorney ung mga manager ini issuehan ka ng memo pag di mo sila tinawag na Sir at Maam. Tapos pag napunta sa ibang bansa mga pangalan lng nila tinatawag sa kanila. Mga sandamakmak na tamolmol tlga.
I find āentitledā to answer this since Iām in a titled profession and works in a US company. Filipinos are indeed obsessed with titles cause some of my more experienced colleagues with more knowledge than like me who is a fresh fish in the pond have experienced discrimination just because they didnāt have the title to back up their experience. And yes, foreigner wonāt care if you are titled and will call you directly by your first name. Here in the Philippines, they will call you Doc, Engr or Atty even if you didnāt mentioned that you are one. They somehow finds out sooner or later. Tbh, I donāt prefer being called with my title, it brings with it a sense of responsibility that I donāt think I want to impose before even knowing me personally.
>Filipinos are indeed obsessed with titles lot of instructors/teacher na nilalagay ang "lpt, ma" as a title.
I kid you not, pati approval sheet namin nung thesis nahihirapan ako dahil sa damiraming title ng panelist namin tuloy nasisira yung format at para na akong ewan sa kakaadjust na mag align yung titles at yung pangalan ng panelist.
Working ako remote sa isang US Company, nakakatuwa lang na first name lang gamit kahit anong position. Dito kasi Sir/Ma'am lol
thats different we dont use mam or sir in the office but we still use professor or doctor on people who earned such titles
They deserved it
Hindi ka ba nagkaroon ng propesor o instructor sa College na nagtuturo sa inyo habang sabay sa pagkuha niya ng Doctorate? Hindi niyo ba sila binati o tinawag na Doctor?
I've had teachers who are PhD holders from grade school to med school at lahat sila teacher/ma'am/sir lang ang tawag namin. Post grad (abroad), first name lang tawag ko sa mga professor ko kahit may PhD sila lol.
Titles are given to those who deserve it. Nothing wrong with that. To each their own. Some want titles, some don't.
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Nothing wrong with it
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PhD's are not the only doctors in the academe as there are different doctorate degrees depending on the discipline. They deserve the same level of respect "from their fields" of discipline. Most people don't understand this because when we talk about the word doctor, the first thing that'll come up in mind is the MD, which ofc as we all know that their field of study is as hard a f\*ck compared with other fields. The title itself however is just an academic term of respect and nothing more. I just hate it when people love to be acknowledged by their titles rather than their actual contributions to the field of study. LOL.
Buti pa nga kung talagang legit naman yung diploma/pagiging board passer/lisensya lol. Nakakaloka sa subdivision namin: May isa, tinatawag sya na āattyā ā pero yun pala limang beses na bumagsak sa bar exams. Yung isa ādocā daw itawag sa kanya, yun pala nalaman namin na tumatao lang siya sa optical clinic na pagma-may ari ng asawa niya. Yung āattyā at ādocā naging presidente pa kasi they never corrected people na akala eh abogado at doctor sila, ginamit nila yung titles na tawag sa kanila to win.
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Totoo naman na for many, nakasanayan na yung ganyang habit. But I personally think na mas okay kung maging honest yung tao hanggaāt hindi pa nakukumpleto yung program or kung hindi pa officially licensed. Kung nireremind niyo naman sila politely na hindi pa kayo doktor or abugado, thatās good. Yung nabanggit ko sa taas is an issue for me kasi yung āattyā na yan samin, he never corrected people na tumatawag sa kanya ng ganun. Feel na feel pa nga nya if anything. Ending ginamit niya para paikutin mga tao dun sa subdv. namin. Hindi na nga totoong abugado, nanloloko pa. Same dun sa isa na sya pa nagsasabing ādokā itawag sa kanya.
Iba ang effect sakin. Yung mga kapitbahay namin tuwing dadaan ako tinatawag akong attorney kahit na law student palang ako. Palagi kong sinasabi na hindi pa. Matagal pa. Pero wala ganun pa rin. I-claim ko na daw. While it can be motivating for some, mas na stress ako. Nakaka pressure. Paulit-ulit na lang. I stopped correcting them kasi nakakapagod na din. Nginingitian ko na lang sila, pero deep inside hindi nakakatuwa. Edit: spelling
Understandable yung mapapagod ka nalang kasi totoo naman na may hindi makikinig kahit ilang beses mo i-clarify. For me basta hindi ginagamit to take advantage of others or make others feel inferior, okay lang sa akin kung ano ang preferred nung tao na gawin ng iba regarding his/her educational attainment or professional career.
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Mas higher ang MD degree kesa sa PhD, because you need a Bachelor degree ( 4-5 years )+ Med proper (5 years) then board exam. Mas lalong higher if the MD nag undergo ng residency and subspecialty (fellowship). Medical doctors are giving knowledge also, hindi lang kami taga reseta. We are also scientist, researcher, professors etc. When we were med students, lahat ng professors namin ay mga licensed MD. I am a medical doctor, pero hindi ako nagpapakilalang doktor outside the hospital ,unless it's necessary.
I'm a physician too but MD is definitely not "higher" than PhDs. At best, it's the equivalent to a Master's Degree (at least in the Philippines) because you can only pursue an MD after your Bachelor's. Even then, in the academe, MDs practically get lumped with Bachelor degree holders. Your MD only gives you authority in clinical settings. In any case, it's a case of false equivalency. After getting an MD, people who want to have a career in the academe need a Master's degree, and a PhD after that. Source: I'm an MD, with a Master's and PhD.
I think you're comparing apples to oranges. A PhD is considered as the highest degree in academia while and MD is a professional degree. Neither is higher or lower than the other.
Review your earlier statement : "and you do know that PhD is somewhat higher than JD and MD(correct me people if im wrong po) cause PhD holder mean you are not just consuming knowledge but rather you are the one giving knowledge base sa field of expertise mo (correct me again if mali po ako)" Your earlier statement said "PhD is somewhat higher" because "you are the one giving knowledge" base sa field of expertise mo. Are you implying na Medical doctors are not giving knowledge based on our expertise kaya in your opinion mas higher ang PhD? And now you are saying neither is higher or lower.
You must have mistaken me for another commenter as my prior response was my first contribution for this post.
Awww ...my apologies
They earned it, so they have the right to use the title. Now its up to them kung paano nila paninindigan.
A lot of people seem to forget that the term Doctor, initially refers to people experts on their field, hindi dahil sa mga medical practitoners. The word itself is rooted in latin, meaning "to teach". Kung entitlement lang naman, mas entitled sila sa term na doctor. OP mega facepalm.
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Pag ingggit, pikit. Mag-aral ka din ng Law/Medicine/Engineer para may title ka.
Like I said on other threads, income, salaries and earnings are more important than titles.
I don't get the issue? they worked hard for that title šš
Calling a person with the name extension they are entitled to when working within the field is totally okay. It just screams crab mentality for people to bash on others who worked for their graduate degrees in the field and requested to be addressed accordingly. Forcing to be called their titles outside of work is a whole 'nother story. Let people enjoy their achievements.
ITT: Professionals na gusto laging matawag with their titles, proving OP's point š
PhDās only work in certain sectors like research, pharmacology, engineering and academe and similar. But seeing them in govt post is just them waiting for fat paychecksā¦ remember those dimwits during lockdown?
The only non-MD that I referred to as Dr. was the late great Placido Mapa of Metrobank which we fondly called āDoc Mapaā ā as respect to his seniority and achievements in the banking industry.
This is actually a fact. We are obsessed for being entitled to our career background especially in the field of medicine. Some countries rarely use that title since they have already a system that will grant you special priveleges without putting a fancy acronym in your last name.
Legit. Yung mga gusto ng Engr sa name without considering 17k/month na sahod matawag lang na Engr. š¤£
So? That just proves that some people love their field regardless of how much they're paid. Maraming nage-enroll sa engineering schools simply because they like what engineers do. Ano masama dun? You're mocking it na "17k matawag lang na Engr" but that's the point. Pangarap nila maging engineers, di dahil sa pera, pero dahil gusto nila yung career/field
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Pinaghirapan namin yun. Hindi dahil maganda lang pakinggan. May ambag din naman kami sa lipunan hindi naman kami nagaral at nagtrabaho bilang engineer para lang sa pangalan.
Chill ka lang sir. Engineer din ako. I'm just talking about dun sa mga na-experience ko. Lalo na pag sa field ka. They don't give any respect sa'yo kahit Engineer ka sa site unless you can prove yourself old heads.
Experience mo yun, wag mo kami idamay You're accusing us na naging engineers lang kami kasi masarap lang pakinggan
Respect is earned not given. Hindi dahil engineer ka eh bibigyan ka ng respeto agad. Site engineer din ako. Hindi ako nagengineering para mataas tingin ng tao sakin at respetuhin ako dahil lang engineer ako.
[ Basagan ng Trip with Leloy Claudio: On Filipinosā obsession with titles](https://youtu.be/Sz3tP_LCsr4) Panoorin niyo eto.
sobrang cringe nung nakita kong wedding invitation ng workmate ko, pareho din silang Engineer ng jowa nya tapos may nakalagay na prefix na Engr. sa mga pangalan nila dun sa frontpage. di ko alam kung normal yun kasi usually naman first names or last names lang nakalagay like "Diaz - Dela Cruz Nuptials" or "Donny & Coleen".
I remember reading about the story. Mejo tongue-in-cheek na may halong bitter si ategurrl dahil sa lahat ng dinanas niya para makumpleto ang PhD reqs niya, at dahil doon feeling niya entitled siya na ma-address bilang Doctor. Pero naglalabas lang naman siya ng saloobin. She did say being called Miss ____ was okay. I don't think that counts as obsession. I've encountered "actual" MDs na parang nawawalan ng ganang kumain ng isang linggo kung di tinatawag na doc man lang. There's "Dr. Farrah" of course. There's that Healing Galing host who "donated" to a school in Africa or India to be given a PhD -- as in Doctor of Philosophy (Alternative Medicine), not honorary doctorate. Then there's Francis Schaeffer who insisted on being called a doctor, even at home, after getting an honorary degree.
Yes you should be calling folks with PhDs Doctor in the academe. This is the norm in other countries as well. This post is so fucking braindead.
so what if it was hard to get the PhD? what does that have to do with me and why should that change how I publicly address you?
Coz its not about you hahaha
Siguro by culture? Kse un lawyer namin sa US first name basis kme eh lol. Di ko naman tinatanggal sa kanila karapatan nila sa pinaghirapan nila. Like if nagpakilala sila sa school na Prof or Doc, sa school or work let's address them as such.
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Wait idgi bc I didnāt go to the ph for school. Here in the US, if your professor has a PhD, you usually refer to them as Dr. __. I was told nung college na rude na hindi tawaging Dr. yung mga professor na may doctorate. Pero outside the academic setting, naglalagay lang sila ng PhD after their name.
Lol I remembered my ālowkey kupalā Economics Professor.. smh
I wonder what the title cultures are like in neighboring countries and the west
If it is in a school setting and you are addressed by your students and peers, i think it should not be an issue. Call them Drs. if they want to be called one. They spent money and effort for it. Calling them that does not really make life harder for you. Outside the school setting though it is kinda weird.
Ok lang yan lalo pag deserve mo talaga at competent ka. Madami akong kilala gusto lang yung position but not the job.
Nakaabot pa dito yung tweet ni madam?
deserve kung deserve nila matawag pero you dont "force" people to hand over to you what you deserve. also at the end of the day only people who are egotistical are the only ones affected by this.
Buhay pa ba si Dr. Co sa UST? Would refer to himself as the venerable Dr..Co. #classic
I don't get this post. This is not only a Filipino thing. Most asians use titles out of respect. Especially East Asians. You have to always use the right title or else it's disrespectful. If you ever watch kdramas, you may have heard people don't call using just names. It's always name + title (Kim seonbaenim, Park seonsaengnim, etc). Japanese use honorifics also, -sama, -san, etc. Of course there are assh*les who don't deserve titles especially when they are just lying or using it to scam others. But most of them actually deserve their titles. Don't generalize.
And corrupt politicians are called "honorable"š
Buti nlng sa palengke, they acknowledge me for who I am: POGI