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rosegoldeyes

I hate the fact that all arguments posted here makes sense. I hate that advocating for women's health will cause major shifts in employment kase nga naman if women will present with more liability than men, mas magiging unhireable sila - except for those who promote diversity like BPOs i guess. Women on their periods feel pain similar to getting a heart attack, pain that not everyone will experience in their lifetime but is suffered by women monthly, pero now na open na ang lahat to giving us paid leaves, meron na namang magiging hadlang 🤦


Menter33

Another factor is cost: mas mahal na para sa companies yung pag-hire ng single female kumpara sa single male because of this.


[deleted]

I think It would be better if they made it like generic thing, like mental health paid leave. Making it exclusive to women may cause some discrimination. Like it’s possible na males lang yung I karamihang i hire since less yung leaves nila.


[deleted]

Let me be the devil's advocate: the problem with this line of thinking is that it puts the burden on women. It's not their fault that they have this physiological reality. This reality shouldn't be "erased" through the use of generic terms in an attempt to skirt around job discrimination (which, again, is not their fault). The Magna Carta of Women protects them against this gender-based discrimination, and affirms their right to work.


Bfly10

doesn't protect them from anything, old boss didn't want to hire women because of pregnancy, this 2 day leave is just icing on the cake.


[deleted]

Why have laws in the first place because some people get away with doing crimes, right? Let's do away with laws altogether.


Ill-Pea2669

What are you talking about? Everyone agrees women have a right to work. The problem is the number of leaves women will have than men.


pm_your__ladyparts

Why not both? Menstruation leave para sa mga nireregla, kasi dinadanas naman talaga nila yun. And expand sick leaves to cover mental health as well. (Longshot I know, but we should be advocating for things like this instead of watering it down immediately)


[deleted]

Yeah, I do agree with your suggestion. Tho the problem with sick leave is some companies kinukupal yung approval nung mga yun, yung iba need pa ng medical cert thingy. Lahat naman tayo nakaranas na ma burn out like yung wala ka sa mood mag work and all you need is rest. Having additional mental health leave (w/o questions asked) can probably help employees.


2VictorGoDSpoils

True. Ang dami kong Sick Leave na nagamit gawa ng burnout, pero nagiimbento na lang ng sakit para makakuha ng medcert. Balewala din yung SL kasi pupunta ka sa doktor para magpatingin imbis na ipahinga mo or magrelax lang.


Quirky_Consequence_3

Thats the only thing I like as a government employee. Kapag 1 to 2 days na SL hindi required magbigay ng Med Cert.


2VictorGoDSpoils

Buti pa kayo. Tsaka ang mahirap din sa ibang private companies (especially BPO's), yung VL mo ipapaplot sayo for the whole year. Kaya wala kang chance gamitin yung VL as leave pag nabburn out ka na. Kaya much better talagang kasama na mental health dun sa SL eh. Di ata gets nung iba na yung VL is either plotted or ipapaalam mo pa weeks in advance. Eh ang nangyayari naman sa work minsan eh bigla ka na lang nakakaramdam ng burnout or mental exhaustion, kahit akala mo kaya mo pa. Although swerte ako sa current company ko kasi di sila mahigpit sa medcert since PTO yung leave namin (magkahalong VL at SL na, use it however you need/want)


m3nm5

Sa amin, more than 5 days na SL tsaka need ng med cert. Gulat kasi ako, umabsent ako ng 4 days due to flu, hindi ako nirequire ng med cert hehe


Kaiser_Allen

Ako dati kapag ‘di ko na kayang pumasok sa sobrang stress, binababad ko ‘yung thermometer sa sinag ng araw tapos pag mataas na ‘yung temperature, pipicturan ko tapos sesend ko sa boss ko. Grabe kasi, ‘di makapag-leave ng maayos. Kahit complete ka naman ng work mo, pahirapan pa rin.


DragonfruitWhich6396

This. Tapos may nagpost pa dito last time na nagwowork sa hospital, bakit daw ang daming nagpapaconsult sa kanila para lang makakakuha ng medcert. 🙄🙄🙄.


pen_jaro

Kasi pang SICK naman dapat ang SL. VL ata yung gusto mo…


2VictorGoDSpoils

Hahahaha okay po


raju103

I remember a TL of mine, ganoon ginagawa and considering na you pay a doctor to write a med cert, talaga lang naman... nakakainis hahaha.


code-no-code

How will that address their concern of possible gender discrimination?


pm_your__ladyparts

I think there has to be other laws preventing it from happening. Maternity leaves are longer than paternity leaves but I don’t think it has led to more companies hiring substantially more men instead.


BaLance_95

Maternity leave is rare. Realistically, one to three times lang mangyayari sa buong buhay ng babae. Once a woman hits 40, they rarely ever get pregnant again. This one is two days a month. Counting 5 days a week, that's a bit less than 10% ng work days is leave.


re-written

Thats only for 1 female, what if your team is composed of several females. Happened to me before and almost every year we are required to do unwanted overtime every day when someone took maternity leave. Burned out, I left that company because of that. I dont think this is possible for service related works that have 60% females on their workforce. They will be forced to choose males inorder not to affect the quality of their service/products.


whatThePloopppppp

Meron yatang "same" cycle ang lalaki pero di pa masyadong napag aaralan ng mabuti.. it's called irritable male syndrome.. Just my 2¢


ResidentGhoster

True. Sasabihin na bakit I hire ka nila kung male counterpart mo nag tratrabaho ng 30 days tas sayo 28 lang or possible na ma-low ball ka lalo sa offer dahil dyan.


AdGroundbreaking1234

And why wouldn’t they. All things being equal between applicants employers should be free to choose the one which costs less.


itlog-na-pula

> Making it exclusive to women may cause some discrimination. Like it’s possible na males lang yung I karamihang i hire since less yung leaves nila. Yan din naiisip ko. I remember my former boss (an ignorant boomer like many of his age) saying na mas productive daw kaming mga lalaki dahil wala kaming 90-day maternity leave at menstrual mood swings 'di tulad ng mga co-workers ko na babae.


Accomplished-Exit-58

exclusive kasi sa woman ung regla, kaya ganun. Sarap tanungin nung boss na un na bulatlatin natin etits mo tapos wag ka magleave ha. Di nagegets na ung maternity is same as medical leave dahil sa trauma ng katawan sa childbirth plus the need ng bata sa nanay niya.


itlog-na-pula

Oh they know that, pamilyado yung mga yun e. Ang logic ng mga yan, kung di ka nila mapipiga wala kang silbi sa kanila.


[deleted]

Ah crap, they reproduced? I feel bad sa wife and sa mga anak niyang babae kung meron man. I hope none of their children (mapa-babae o lalaki man) learned and adopted such mentality from him.


nxcrosis

>as productive daw kaming mga lalaki dahil wala kaming 90-day maternity leave at menstrual mood swings 'di tulad ng mga co-workers ko na babae. Man's single-handedly perpetuating the gender wage gap.


[deleted]

ignorant boomers are the worst boss. Had one dati, sobrang toxic nya and hindi na napapanahon yung mga ideology/strategies nya


jerrycords

why do you despise the elders? tatanda ka din naman balang araw. it is not about age. you can have a millenial boss and still experience the same thing.


peterparkerson

Product of their time.


maklenard

Meron ako kilala company na muntik na magsara kasi sabay nag maternity . Small company of 10 lng. So d mo rin masisi SME minsan


sisigatsoju

>Kamatis wtf @ "productive daw kaming mga lalaki dahil wala kaming 90-day maternity leave at menstrual mood swings 'di tulad ng mga co-workers ko na babae."


Ill-Pea2669

Also woman are too emotional at times that they cant comprehend logic. Reasons are reasons but at the end of the day results show men will work more days than female regardless of reason. Regardless of my gender, I know that statement is logically coherent.


coyzor

hindi ba tama naman? how can you be productive kung panay ka naka leave?


ThisWorldIsAMess

Just add more sick leaves. Everyone benefits. Ganun ka-simple.


everything-annoys-me

Sa company namin, may wellness leave (deducted sa 15 Sick Leave annually). No explanation or what if magtatake nun


gradenko_2000

> Like it’s possible na males lang yung I karamihang i hire since less yung leaves nila. This would necessitate a wide-open labor market, which we can't expect to be true across all or even most sectors of the economy.


SaffronNTruffle

Agree. This could have an adverse effect in hiring. Mental Health paid leave for all could be more beneficial. Women can use this for their periods, everyone else (including women too) can use this instead without having to invent illness for a sick leave.


ReverseThrottle

Yep and what if you female employee, lets say di na nireregla (not sure what health condition or hormonal problem, please expand po) di na din ba sila entitled for leave


[deleted]

Mas ok to gender equality 😅


sad_but_cute00

Hays being a woman is already hard enough in this male-dominated patriarchal society, we fought long enough to have equal rights yet we still have to adjust and cater these deeply ingrained misogynistic thinking. Natuwa pa naman ako dito sa news na ‘to, as someone who has endometriosis and who suffers really bad period cramps kaso I really can’t deny that you guys have a point that hiring male employees are much beneficial for the employers at this point. A hard reality check.


PMG_1989

mental health paid leave?? magrereklamo mga batang 90s niyan kesyo masyadong binebaby ang gen z something something


pucc1ni

Huh? Di ba nga tayong mga millennials ang generation na nagsimula magkaroon ng pake to take care of our own mental health.


mrnnmdp

Mga ganitong mindset talaga ang dahilan kung bakit may stigma pa rin.


emmennuel

Software update mo na Samsung phone mo OP.


MagnusBaechus

maybe it's an older model, I had an A50 and after about 2 years, the soft ware uodates juat started slowing it down to the point of needing to upgrade because my phone couldn't meet the performance I need out of it


3kforevrr

Yep i have A50 3 years na. I stopped updating it kasi it noticeably slows down my phone.


Legitimate_Mess2806

Im sorry pero mas magiging bias mga companies to hire female workers due to this. Worse if paid pa to.


Accomplished-Exit-58

medyo delikado kapag low skilled jobs, pero kung mga skilled talaga depende din.


AngerCookShare

Hindi na kailangan ng masyadong mga ganyan kung ang uunahin ay ang Work From Home set up para sa mga applicable jobs, anything else na di maiwasan na on site yes agree na may ganyan. Ang laking bagay ng wfh mas malala problema sa pag commute at gastos kung papasok sa office.


[deleted]

Ito gusto ko din na mangyari sa Pinas. Yung WFH set up kahit once a week lang ang RTO kasi parusa talaga ang mag commute dito sa Pinas 2-3 hours ang traffic 😮‍💨


AngerCookShare

Swerte ko lang din talaga at 2x a month lang kami RTO. Maliit yung bpo namin pero di kami pinabayaan buong pandemic.


forthegodemperor27

WFH is the key.


AngerCookShare

This is the way. 👍


yannerzzzzZ

This! Some countries adopt WFH as a benefit na eh. Sana ganun din dito. Kasi sa totoo lang di ko gets kung output based naman pero need i-RTO. Unless may important meetings, understandable naman na need pumasok.


SlideToUnlockiPhone

As a woman and sufferer of monthly period pain, this is favorable to us, but I dont like this. Yes, woman will be subject to work discrimination - i think i read some same policy in Spain. Why not increase the mandatory minimum sick leave in general to covered mental health leave as well, and both genders would have same number of sick leaves? Maybe 20-25 days sick leave per year? Maybe?


[deleted]

From the employers perspective, sex is already a big factor. Maternity leave, men tend to work more hours, men tend to take less leaves and have more utility kasi mas malakas physically. Tama ka, tong ganitong mga policies on paper ay "inclusive" pero in practice ay special treatment and discrimination. Tamang palawakin na lang yung already existing na leaves.


Momshie_mo

Let's also admit that a lot of people will use this leave kasi tinatamad sila. I would not be surprised if there will be many people using menstrual leave on days na wala naman silang regla dahil may specific silang ayaw gawin o gagamitin ang sick leave sa biglang bakasyon This happens a lot too in the US. Nagcacall in sick dahil biglang nagbakasyon o may task sa specific day na ayaw gawin. This should just be part of the regular sick leave. Baka susunod nyan, meron nang specific leave for migraine, for colds, for pinkie eye, for toothpain....


DiskAmbitious7291

I need “tangina ayoko magtrabaho” leave


SquareDogDev

+1 to this. Ka excite i file to sa company. Huehue


fushiseikatsu

Kailangan kaya ng proof nito para ma-approve ang leave? Some companies are very strict on sick leaves, need mo ng doctor's certification if you're absent for 2 or more days na.


SHTY_Mod_Police

Paano...?


ScaredyHorrorLover

Baka gusto nilang magsend kami ng pic ng napkin hahahahahha


SHTY_Mod_Police

Grabe nmn


Upbeat-Schedule-7956

Picture ng regla😂


[deleted]

Yung arguments here sa post, while well-meaning, are the same arguments that they used against maternity leave. Think about that. Replace this proposed leave with "maternity leave" and these arguments will shatter. Should we oppose maternity leaves because magiging "less productive" in the eyes of employers ang mga babae and thus, result in discrimination? Hindi natin sinasadya pero that's how ingrained misogyny is in our minds. It may well be out of concern, pero we penalize women for having this physiological reality through this form of arguments.


[deleted]

Menstrual pain =/= Pregancy issues.


mitcher991

Do you know who pays for those maternity leaves? SSS. SSS and the employer. It has burdened an already overburdened Social Security System even more. There is no country given more leaves for women than ours. We give women so much leaves that theoretically, they can have a HALF YEAR LEAVE. Maternity, Magna Carta leave, gyno leaves, etc. This is much worse than maternity since you only give childbirth a few times in life compared to this. Look, I'm all for women and their rights but laws like these serve to hurt women rather than help them. These laws are "papogi point" laws that make no sense. They burden not only women, but the entire economy since it serves to hurt businesses. It isn't about misogyny. Because if this law passes, THE SAME PEOPLE complaining misogyny are gonna cry misogyny.


yawangpistiaccount

Uhh, there are plenty other countries that give so much maternity leave. Finland, for example, gives 3 months maternity leave, 5 weeks vacation days, etc. They also have childcare leave for taking care of kids until they are 3y/o. To add: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/dec/04/finland-only-country-world-dad-more-time-kids-moms


SquareDogDev

Imagine being a business owner and your female employees get this extra approx 24days extra paid leaves per year? Wise decision would be to choose an employee with less leaves which happens to be men. Now, this would only result to lower employment for women. It’s just gonna hurt them more. That’s the reality. If we wanna push for equality, why not add the sick leave for everyone instead? A mental health leave is logical. This way, we’re not risking women to hiring discrimination. I don’t understand as how you’re referring to other people here as misogynistic while they are just stating a logical argument. It’s unfortunate but companies care more about productivity and earnings rather than their employees.


yawangpistiaccount

If you read my reply to their reply, you'd get your answer. Don't assume my stand on the matter when I didn't say anything about it. For this thread, I'm calling out the person above for grossly exaggerating the leaves women in our country have. Did I call anyone a misogynist in this thread here? No? Okay. For the other thread, having internal misogyny doesn't mean the person is misogynist - almost everyone has internal misogyny. However, the user is definitely a misogynist due to previous encounters.


[deleted]

Why put PWD ramps? Why not turn ALL stairs into ramps. That's how your logic sounds.


SquareDogDev

Lol that’s just how you want to make it sound. What a bs


mitcher991

First of all, you honestly think we are as rich than any of these countries that our small and medium businesses can afford it? Second, our maternity leave is 5 months, much more than Finland's. As I said, these laws are "papogi" because it only serves to hurt businesses and stifle productivity. Remember that these countries didn't start with those huge social benefits, THEY RAISED PRODUCTIVITY FIRST, made businesses richer, lifted the middle class up first, THEN gave out social benefits. Because that's how the cycle works. Women in this country, if you add up all the leaves they can be entitled to, all sum up to almost 8 months. 8 months.


yawangpistiaccount

Uh no? PH maternity leave is 105 days or 3 1/2 months. Finland has 105 days maternity leave PLUS childcare leave which can last for 2 years and can be exchanged between parents. You do know that [job incentives like leaves and better compensation increase productivity](http://ijbmm.com/paper/Jan2019/2129710494.pdf), right? More time at work doesn't necessarily mean more productive, as [evident by 4 day work week studies](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0258042X221082893) I agree, papogi lang to kasi dapat lahat bigyan ng masmaraming leave at siguraduhin ang incentives sa lahat


mitcher991

PH maternity leave is 105 days plus an optional 30 you can ask for, plus 60 if there's a miscarriage, and plus 15 if its a solo parent. If you include all holiday leaves, service incentive leaves, gynecology leaves, maternity and so on, it adds up to 8 months. More leaves than work. Ohh yeah, I believe that. I totally see it in Latin America and socialist nations where they legislate leaves rather than enployer given ones, right? The ones that have poor economies yet legislate labor laws aggressively, right? Those people are surely productive, I can see it in their economies! Forcing employers to leaves, to minimum wage increases, is counter productive. Productivity is reflected on educational attainment, a higher earning individual, investment by foreign and local sources, technology, and on. It is NOT based on a single factor like incentive leaves. There is a balance between social legislation and flat out papogi that hurts the economy. No country wants to invest in a country with aggressive labor legislation (therefore high labor costs). And that applies to ALL, regardless of sex. This has been a perennial problem in the country for YEARS. This is a substantial factor why factories went to Vietnam, or Singapore (that ecourage employers to give more rather than legislate leaves and agressively raise legal minimum wages). Finland among others do maternity and child leaves primarily TO ENCOURAGE POPULATION GROWTH. More time for families so more time to care for childreb Not to incentivize productivity gain investments which they have no problems getting compared to us.


[deleted]

I think it's just reality that in a workspace context, men in general is just the better option. We already have the stats to prove it. Men don't get pregnant, tend to work more hours, less absents and has more utility because of physical strength. At the end of the day, a job is still a business that needs to make money. Part of that is choosing the best employees. This isn't really discrimination, it's just what it is. Marami naman options for women na sila nga ang best option like social work, sales, modeling etc. I think the problem we have today is that society keeps insisting that men and women are equal. We're not equal, accept the differences and play to your strengths.


nice_mayor

The other comments in here make sense except yours. Yes, men in general are physically stronger and women gets to work better on social work but it shouldn't be their only choice just because it is their 'strength'. Not all men wants to work physically and not all women are good socializing. Besides your comment is irrelevant to the topic. Menstruation is not a skill aspect. If a company don't wants to hire woman just because of this then it is indeed a discrimination thing


[deleted]

Yes that is the problem, this policy looks good on paper but will have the opposite effect in practice because it does lead to sexism. My point is that men are already the better option in most employment situations because of the factors I stated above. Tapos pag nagkaroon pa ng ganitong policies, lalo lang magkakaroon ng preferences ang employers to hire women less. At the end of the day, employers want to hire the workers that will work the most and get paid the least. It's just business.


yawangpistiaccount

Exhibit A of internalized misogyny. You're misconstruing equality - it's not the biological aspect of equality that people are insisting, but the social. Wag maging biological essentialist.


[deleted]

This is the problem: when someone states facts that puts women in a negative light, they get called misogynist. But when men are put in the same negative light nobody bats an eye. The social part of cannot be separated from biology because men and women socialize differently between themselves and the opposite sex as well. Men tend to be more protective of women, while women tend to be more cautious with men. That social dynamic is still rooted in biology.


yawangpistiaccount

lmao you didn't get called a misogynist, your utterances were labeled internalized misogyny - learn the difference. Besides, I know you are in fact misogynist from your history. Just because the biological influences the social dynamics doesn't mean its effects can't be minimized or nullified altogether. The point of the struggle is to move towards social equality despite biological differences. It would be defeatist to just invoke "biologically different" and call it quits for the movement for gender equality lol.


[deleted]

See, this is what happens today. I'm not labelling anyone but when you state facts you get labelled. You just have to do it, huh? Misogyny is the hatred or contempt for women. I do not have any of those towards women. I just stated the fact that from an employer's perspective, men in general are the better option. How is that misogynistic? This social equality you speak of isn't really equality. It's special treatment. Because if we're to really equalize it then everyone in this context gets the same amount of paid leave, no matter the sex.


yawangpistiaccount

Do you even understand internalized misogyny? Oh? Did you just assume my stand on the matter at hand? I do agree that if women are granted paid leave for their menstruation, men should have the same amount of paid leave. Same with paternity leaves being as long as maternity leaves. So no, the social equality I speak of is in fact, social equality. Whatever is happening with lawmakers right now is out of my hand.


Accomplished-Exit-58

kung kailan pamenopause na ko, pero maganda yan, ako kasi walang nararamdaman naman kapag may mens, pero marami sa amin pala, nanghihina kapag meron.


belle_fleures

swerte nmn sa mga babae na paramg wala lang naramdaman kapag na mens. ako kasi may sakit na dala pa stress sa ulo at nanginginig na kamay sabay balik2 sa cr.


Accomplished-Exit-58

yeah, akala ko nga ganun normal, until nakarinig ako ng mga stories.


VaniaLurker

I agree with this. Typing this while I'm in my bed because of extreme dysmenorrhea. Buti na lng tlga may wfh huhuhu. Ang intense kasi nung akin nagsusuka, minsan nahihimatay dati dinadala pa sa e.r.


Resha17

I agree that women have needs different from men, but this bill will only encourage discrimination in the workplace. Why not make it all-encompassing by requiring companies to give x number of sick leave?


[deleted]

Can't comment until details are out. I highly doubt the proposal entails 24 additional leaves for every female worker. The menstrual leaves in other countries have conditions: >In Indonesia, under the Labor Act No. 13 in 2003, women have a right to two days of menstrual leave per month though these are not additional leaves.[15] >In Japan, since 1947, Article 68 of the Labour Standards Law states "When a woman for whom work during menstrual periods would be specially difficult has requested leave, the employer shall not employ such woman on days of the menstrual period."[16][17] While Japanese law requires that a woman going through especially difficult menstruation be allowed to take leave, it does not require companies to provide paid leave or extra pay for women who choose to work during menstruation. >In South Korea, female employees are entitled to menstrual leave according to the Article 71 of the Labour Standards Law,[18] and are ensured additional pay if they do not take the menstrual leave that they are entitled to.[19] >In Taiwan, the Act of Gender Equality in Employment[20] gives women three days of "menstrual leave" per year, which will not be calculated toward the 30 days of "common sick leave", giving women up to 33 days of "health-related leaves" per year. The extra three days do not come with half-pays once a woman employee exceeds the regulated 30.[21] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_leave


fernandopoejr

dagdagan na lang ng sick leave for all. gawin na rin pareho ang length ng maternity at paternity leave. ang patronising lang ng dating pag ganyan, magkakaroon lang din ng resentment dahil hindi equal


pbandG

Baka magkaroon ng investment pullout sa PH with this initative and shared services/bpo companies transfer to countries like India with less laws like this. We are already competing with them sa migration ng work to PH and this might give them the edge sa competition. Sa operations standpoint, this is a nightmare. I can already imagine myself plotting monthly calendar menstrual schedule for my team para hindi mamatay ang operations.


Red_White_Rabbit

This 2 day leave menses proposal was made by someone with the intention to wipe out women in a workplace..Good job..


conyxbrown

For someone like me na automatic na na absent kapag may period sobrang naappreciate ko to. Every time may period ako merong certain day sa onset na grabe ang pain, bigla na lang umaattack, if di ako naka inom ng pain med prior to the pain di na ako makakagalaw nang maayos. So even if I go to the office di rin ako productive.


anakniben

Talagang "super mommy" ang nanay nating lahat. May sakit siya, nagtatrabaho pa din. Buntis, namamalengke at nagluluto pa din. May regla, sinusundo at hinahatid pa din tayo sa eskwela. Ang galing ni Mommy.


[deleted]

Spain recently did this. I think this is a bad move that looks good on paper. Imagine mo kung employer ka, pag babae kinuha mo matic may babayaran kang 1 month/ year na libre, pero kung lalaki walang ganun. Bakit ako maghihire ng babae kung ganyan? Factor na naman talaga ang sex sa maghihire (physical strength, company image, maternity leave), so I think this would do the exact opposite. Madalas kasi yung mga policies na "inclusive" at "for equality" pag inisip mo, special treatment naman nangyayari. Maybe make this additional 2 days/ month leave generic, like mental health leave or something.


boykalbo777

Sa lalaki meron din dapat "dinatnan ng kakupalan" days


Wind_Glass

Pwede din yung "dinatnan ng katamaran" para both genders haha


racaraca69

Need daw ng proof bago i approve. Lemme see your bored face..


Wind_Glass

Tapos kapag pinakita mo or nag send ka ng pic hindi approved kasi ibig sabihin di ka tinatamad haha


racaraca69

Ohhhh oo nga noh, need pla mag awol, pag sinipag saka n lng mag file haha.


Wind_Glass

Katamaran leave once every month haha


Asdaf373

I know how hard this is for women pero naiisip ko na baka magbackfire din to? Kasi kung specific to women lang to baka makita ng employers to as a reason to hire less women or maybe lower their salaries/offer to offset the extra 24 days off per year?


[deleted]

Karamihan naman sa mga "inclusive" or "equality" policies pag inisip mo, special treatment talaga nangyayari.


DumbKise

Same cents. On a business standpoint, owners would tend to hire less women because why would they hire someone whom they pay in full but renders service less. But yeah, FUCK CAPITALISM


Liebe5

Kung ikaw ay business woman, tapos paid yung "menstruation leave" per month... mag ha hire kapa ba ng mga babae? tanong lang para sa mga girls... no hate


_iam1038_

I can hear Sergio Ortiz-Luis raging kasi napakadami na daw leave and di naman daw need yan


Infinite-Contest-417

Thats 24 days of paid leave a year. Im a woman and I'm in favor of this but it's gonna have a material financial impact on businesses.


No_Anteater_3566

Yes, and allow a work-from-home option when feeling under the weather.


OyeCorazon

Good idea on paper, but in reality this would cause more inequality when it comes to hiring women. Kase naman if you have 2 days of leave per month and maternity leave, as a company you would rather hire a male employee that has no such kind of leaves and paternity leave lasts shorter than mat leave. In short baka instead of matulungan ang ating female workforce lalo pa sila mahirapan maghanap ng trabaho because they would need to do 2x more effort than men to secure a job. It sucks but thats prolly how it would be in practice


atomchoco

what if we start with 1 day LWOP per month available only on the month. this makes it so may choice pa din pumasok if they want and opt to bear the thing i think for stuff like this we should just place emphasis on the fact that the condition is at least acknowledged and it's at least better than nothing muna? if anything it's the peace of mind na u can rest worry-free if u want/have to


kittycheckcheck

Bet ko yan. Mas maraming babae ngayon ang nag su-suffer ng menstruation-related problems. Sa workplace ko before, out of 23 females, 9 ang may myoma/dysmenorrhea/endometriosis/cysts, including myself. 2 ang wala nang matris. Di ko alam bakit prevalent na ito ngayon.


Its0ks

Yeah, as much as I agree, they shouldn't specify "menstrual leave" it is discriminatory, should be tagged as "Wellness or flexible days" instead where anyone can use it depending on their own personal situation.


SAHD292929

Pag naipasa yan wag na mag reklamo mga babae kung ang preferred employees lalo na sa mga pabrika ay lalake.


yawangpistiaccount

Which is why SOGIE bill is important as well to avoid this kind of discrimination. Also, rather than say "wag na mag reklamo mga babae", samahan mo sa laban kesa sa mag invalidate ng concerns jfc.


Pasencia

Some people reply like that to incite discussions, tbh. I admit, magaspang din ako mag-reply sometimes to get a point across.


Yahweh666

"Wag magreklamo?" Why not? When that's blatant gender discrimination based on gender?


SAHD292929

That law is not well thought off. Think deeper kung hindi kaya ba i-weaponize yan ng mga employers.


Yahweh666

I know what you mean, which is sad but true. Regardless, it doesn't give us any right to invalidate women's right to "Complain" or criticize when it happens. Very invalidating.


SAHD292929

Sinabi ko lang lahat para wala nang discussion, yun opposite pala ang effect. Sarcastic kasi talaga ang tone ko usually. Invalidating ang batas. I am just voicing out an inconvenient truth.


jerrycords

you have been downvoted for a valid statement. eh sa totoo namang mangyayari iyan. problema sa ibang tao dito, they cannot take an honest and real statement.


wickedsaint08

Marami lang talaga dito ignorante sa realidad. Hindi kasi lahat nakaranas mapunta sa operations, nightmare sa scheduling ng isang operation yang panukala lalo na kung 24/7 operation. Parang whack a mole pag tapal sa manpower.


yawangpistiaccount

Although the premise is valid, very invalidating ang manner of expression, rude pa nga eh. Rather than say "wag na mag reklamo mga babae", better sana na i-promote ang solidarity sa struggle of workplace inequality


SAHD292929

Its sounds rude because its I am citing a rude reality na ang law na yan parang wolf in sheep's clothing. Kunwari pambabae pero discriminatory talaga. Advance kasi ako mag isip na mag cheer mga feminists nyan. Lalo na yung mga mababaw lang mag isip at mag jump agad sa bandwagon.


yawangpistiaccount

Parang harsh truth e no? But truth need not be harsh. Truths can be said in a more empathic manner.


SAHD292929

The truth has to be firm because the real world is harsh. This is the reality that parents shield kids.


yawangpistiaccount

Firmness and empathy is a false dichotomy. Solidarity is a strong tool that should be taught to people rather than be divisive.


SAHD292929

Solidarity is not making feminist laws that companies can weaponize against women. This law is bad for everyone. I will say how I want to say it and I am willing to accept the consequences of my words. People are only trying to be nice on Reddit because of karma. Just saying.


ImJustGonnaCry

Bakit parang sa babae nyo isisisi eh kung hindi sana kami naghihirap para magcommute araw-araw ng 2-3 hrs aba'y sana hindi na siguro malaking problema yan. Lalaki ka kasi siguro kaya ganyan ka mag-isip, siguro kung lalaki na kayang magbuntis baka isang taon pa nga yung magiging maternity leave nyo eh. Tyaka ano naman kung valid ang statement, hanggang duon na lang at wala nang idaragdag sa usapan kung alam naman nating lahat na ganyan naman trato sa mga babae kahit saan, nakakasawa na talaga yung mga may masabi lang.


jerrycords

nasaan naman ang sinisisi ang mga babae? the poster just stated na fact na malamang sa malamang, lalong mahihirapan ang mga babae na makakuha ng work if maipatupad iyan. i am all for it as i understand what women go through every month. ang nakikita at pinipilit nyo lang kasi, is ganun dapat. but let us be real. employers run businesses and they prefer continuity sa negosyo, which is just understable only if you also look at the other side. if they have a choice, syempre lalaki ang kukunin nila para nga naman walang patid ang trabaho. ngayon, masama ba yun? choice mong maniwala na hindi dapat ganun. choice din naman nila to prioritize their business first. not that i am siding with them, pero can we blame them?


Hellokeithy3

Dapat kasi sugar coated pagkasabi para Hindi ma offend si ma’am sir


ImJustGonnaCry

I guess you got a point, I just took your statement on a reactionary manner, kasi parang papunta na sa paninisi yung ibang nagcocomment dito. Pero kung mangyari man na may mga kumpanya na lalaki na lang ang ihahire ng mga kumpanya na naghahire ng mga babae noon (kung mapasa man yung panukala) I guess I'll just choose to boycott them. Pero in a bigger picture sana hindi mapasa to, sa totoo lang nabwibwiset na rin ako sa dagdag problema ng mga kababaihan, ang dami-daming ibang pwedeng ipanukala napasama pa ito para sa mga ipaglalaban ng mga kababaihan, ganung hindi namn pagleave ang solusyon.


Organic_Jose

Username checks out


sarcasticookie

Bakit parang kasalanan namin na may gumawa at nagpasa ng ganyang bill?


SAHD292929

Kasalanan ng lawmaker yan. Palibhasa hindi naka experience na magtrabaho.


interfoldedhandtowel

Totoo naman to e. Bakit dinadownvote.


Hellokeithy3

Coz women empowerment


SAHD292929

Because toxic feminists. Genuine women empowerment is never toxic.


Hellokeithy3

Magagalit sila


SAHD292929

Bato bato sa langit ang tinamaan magagalit. hahaha


Alone_Vegetable_6425

I will get downvoted but More reasons for employers not to hire women I think.


No-Yak1702

As long as it's without pay no problem. I'm not paying staff to stay home, sorry I needto make money so I will use that money to employ a casual to cover off the menstruating staff


denzmac

Calling leaves with different names invites discrimination. It’s just a sick leave. What should be changed is requiring someone to get a medical certificate for an illness that does not require consult. Nagiging reason pa to fake med certs which I see a lot of. In my opinion, it should be required for absences for more than 3 consecutive days.


ThisWorldIsAMess

Ganyan naman sa decent companies, hindi pa ako nakakapag bigay ng medcert para sa SL sa buong buhay ko. But yes, it should be written sa labor laws natin. Just add more sick leaves. And get rid of all these labels. Lahat naman yan health related.


tOOT3r

Paano magkaka equality ang babae at lalaki kung gagawa ng batas base sa pagkakaiba ng genders? Lol Meron namang sick leave eh di kung di kaya mag sick leave. Pero ilang dekada na ba non issue toh? Ibig sabihin kaya ng babae. Hindi weak. Hindi kailangan ng special treatment. Kung isulong niyo toh mas bibigyan niyo ng resentment ang lalaki sa babae. Lol


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[deleted]

Here’s an idea: why don’t employers just design work so that people don’t have to deal with the stress that comes with commuting on top of regular stressors like menstruation?


Wind_Glass

I think kapag napasa to positive lang to for females na meron ng work. Yung mga naghahanap palang ng work ang mahihirapan.


triadwarfare

I fear that this law could introduce invisible discrimination, like women being passed off from promotions, and it would be very hard to prove discrimination is taking place.


AstarothBeelzebub

this will produce discrimination in hiring. like my current manager doesn't want to hire women apparently because of the possibility na manganak and the maternity leave


thisgutfeeling

This thread is depressing. As someone who has secondary dysmenorrhea, I usually request to work from home or in worst months, take a sick leave. I can barely sit up from the pain, and I take pain meds like they’re candies because this lasts for about 2 weeks. Isang araw lang usually ang pinapaalam ko, on the worst day, pero ramdam ko na others don’t really understand it or don’t really care. Even if my bosses and colleagues say it’s okay, I know that they might be thinking na I’m overreacting (at least based on their reaction). Reading the comments here is sort of a proof of that.


dontbussyopeninside

Naiiyak na 'yung mga lalaki. 😭


FilipinxFurry

I don’t think so, if menstrual leave is a guaranteed leave 24 days a year (and is paid separately from sick leave), expect employers to start finding more reasons to hire men. Productivity and profit are their main priorities


IntentionRemote7934

San yung Headache leave ko?!


ahock47

Tindi ng mga mambabatas sa atin. Why not think of ways to be competitive. If I'm a foreign investor where will I go? Dami na nga holiday Pati Regla bakasyon pa din?


RainbowBridgesoonest

Pano yun mga lalaki na sumasalo sa topak ng mga babae kasi meron sila ? Wala bang mental leave ?


SHTY_Mod_Police

My company just offers up to 2 weeks paid mental health leave that can be taken up for 1-2 days only. I think this would be similar no?


Distinct_Distance137

By this point they should just shorten the workweek to 4 days. Everyone benefits. Less commuting, longer time to rest, improved mental/physical health, longer leisure time.


balMURRmung

Life is a privilege. During recruitment/hiring process everyone is given equal oppurtunity regardless of their gender and status in life. Dinidisregard nila kung ano man yung personal challenges natin and sa interview inaassure natin sa employer na di makakaapekto sa work natin ung mga ganyang bagay. Marami naman nang binigay na mga privileges pra sa mga employees (maternity leave, solo parent etc), i aggree with others about adding mental health leave and not this gender specific one.


Agile_Phrase_7248

Let's see kung mapapanukala nga yan. Malaki ang pwedeng mawala sa mga companies dahil diyan. Magiging hesitant din ang mga employers na maghire ng female applicants kung ganito.


Kurdtke

Somewhere down the line, someone will eventually call some shit about this. How dare you not include me in this law, I identify as a women and therefore should be included! The law specifically says "menstruating women" it did not single out anyone. You could be a women but not menstrual and therefore not be included. You could be a geriatric woman who no longer menstruates and you won't get covered by this law. Better make this law cover everyone unless you want someone to spark something and not get things done. I am a man, I identify as a Panda, and I am in favor of this for our women. Anyone not in favor to this has definitely not worked with a gentle and soft spoken boss turn demonspawn just because something goes wrong and she got her period at the same time. Let her stay at home and annoy her husband or partner instead.


Tent10Ten10Ten10

1 a week jak*l leave for men? Iwas rapists


Bonnybon21

Pag lalaki Ejaculation leave


cadeona

Tangna kalokohan yan. Sayang productivity


closenough0123

Puro mahihirapan maghire sa mga babae comments, kala mo naman business owners/hr lol charot


weebslayr

Prostate leave din...


markcocjin

Post-nut leave. Gotta get that life force back somehow.


aquaflask09072022

dapat meron di sa lalaki, menstrual leave kapag meron yung asawa dahil napagbubuntungan ng galit. bawas stress ba


herotz33

Why not add paid horny days off for men too. Don’t have to work if you’re paid to jack off.


Pao411

Pakipanukala din po ng 10 min tikol break every workday para sa mga me manoy.


BetlogNiJesus

Marami na masyadong leave in one year. Aabusuhin lang yan as usual. WAG NA!


justlynjustlyn

Pabor


shinden15

meron bang ang "dami ko ng OT sunod sunod na araw araw at linggo linggo pagpahingahin nyo naman ako" leave?


grahamsss

more discrimination lang to.


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Legitimate systemic discrimination.


disasterpiece013

365 days leave per year na lang para masaya.


didit84

Parang mas productive ang Four-day work week. Try to imagine na lahat ng empleyado mo babae tapos nagkataon na sabay sabay sila nagkaroon ng menstruation. Or yung isang female employee mo is vital sa day to day operations ng small company.


talakitongsalagubang

Pano na yung.mga menopause


Red_White_Rabbit

The analogy of sepulchre..this proposal looks nice outside but rotten inside..


boygolden93

why not add wellness leaves for everyone nalang. My current company has wellness holidays, 4 as isang taon, where the whole company takes an off day pero paid lahat.


chitoz13

sa ibang bansa meron nyan dito lang wala satin.


moliro

hindi ba mahihirapan lang na ma hire ang mga babae? i know may industry na kaya tong ibigay pero mas malaki yata yung percentage ng industry na kailangan talaga yung manpower... restaurants, factories, sales reps etc sa case ko lang as an employer na may small business na hindi afford mag hire ng sobra sobra para sa biglaang absent, laging masisira ang scheduling ng shifts at pasok on a monthly basis... dahil hindi naman eksaktong 28days yung menstruation... meron iregular etc... biglang kulang ako ng tao for 2 days, pano kung key position pa sya, pano kung meron din nangailangan ng leave dahil emergency etc? kung dagdagan ang leave, pero planned, wala naman problema... pero kung monthly na biglaan? ang hirap isipan ng solusyon maliban sa wag mag hire ng babae... hindi ba nila pag iisipan man lang kung pano bibigyan din ng leave yung pagbabayad ko ng sangkaterbang tax at renta... kahit 2 days lang din every other month...


FrostLoop

Inb4 companies requiring med certs (pinas lang uso 'to afaik) for every time a woman gets her period


sarcasticookie

Strange how some people in here equate menstruation with male masturbation. 🤦🏻‍♀️


SevereDig9446

2 days lang? Not enough


NatongCaviar

Knowing how some of our lawmakers minds "work", baka may magpropose ng 1 day masturbation leave for single men.