I hate the fact that all arguments posted here makes sense. I hate that advocating for women's health will cause major shifts in employment kase nga naman if women will present with more liability than men, mas magiging unhireable sila - except for those who promote diversity like BPOs i guess. Women on their periods feel pain similar to getting a heart attack, pain that not everyone will experience in their lifetime but is suffered by women monthly, pero now na open na ang lahat to giving us paid leaves, meron na namang magiging hadlang 🤦
I think It would be better if they made it like generic thing, like mental health paid leave.
Making it exclusive to women may cause some discrimination. Like it’s possible na males lang yung I karamihang i hire since less yung leaves nila.
Let me be the devil's advocate: the problem with this line of thinking is that it puts the burden on women. It's not their fault that they have this physiological reality. This reality shouldn't be "erased" through the use of generic terms in an attempt to skirt around job discrimination (which, again, is not their fault). The Magna Carta of Women protects them against this gender-based discrimination, and affirms their right to work.
Why not both?
Menstruation leave para sa mga nireregla, kasi dinadanas naman talaga nila yun. And expand sick leaves to cover mental health as well.
(Longshot I know, but we should be advocating for things like this instead of watering it down immediately)
Yeah, I do agree with your suggestion. Tho the problem with sick leave is some companies kinukupal yung approval nung mga yun, yung iba need pa ng medical cert thingy.
Lahat naman tayo nakaranas na ma burn out like yung wala ka sa mood mag work and all you need is rest. Having additional mental health leave (w/o questions asked) can probably help employees.
True. Ang dami kong Sick Leave na nagamit gawa ng burnout, pero nagiimbento na lang ng sakit para makakuha ng medcert. Balewala din yung SL kasi pupunta ka sa doktor para magpatingin imbis na ipahinga mo or magrelax lang.
Buti pa kayo.
Tsaka ang mahirap din sa ibang private companies (especially BPO's), yung VL mo ipapaplot sayo for the whole year. Kaya wala kang chance gamitin yung VL as leave pag nabburn out ka na. Kaya much better talagang kasama na mental health dun sa SL eh. Di ata gets nung iba na yung VL is either plotted or ipapaalam mo pa weeks in advance. Eh ang nangyayari naman sa work minsan eh bigla ka na lang nakakaramdam ng burnout or mental exhaustion, kahit akala mo kaya mo pa.
Although swerte ako sa current company ko kasi di sila mahigpit sa medcert since PTO yung leave namin (magkahalong VL at SL na, use it however you need/want)
Ako dati kapag ‘di ko na kayang pumasok sa sobrang stress, binababad ko ‘yung thermometer sa sinag ng araw tapos pag mataas na ‘yung temperature, pipicturan ko tapos sesend ko sa boss ko. Grabe kasi, ‘di makapag-leave ng maayos. Kahit complete ka naman ng work mo, pahirapan pa rin.
This. Tapos may nagpost pa dito last time na nagwowork sa hospital, bakit daw ang daming nagpapaconsult sa kanila para lang makakakuha ng medcert. 🙄🙄🙄.
I think there has to be other laws preventing it from happening.
Maternity leaves are longer than paternity leaves but I don’t think it has led to more companies hiring substantially more men instead.
Maternity leave is rare. Realistically, one to three times lang mangyayari sa buong buhay ng babae. Once a woman hits 40, they rarely ever get pregnant again. This one is two days a month. Counting 5 days a week, that's a bit less than 10% ng work days is leave.
Thats only for 1 female, what if your team is composed of several females. Happened to me before and almost every year we are required to do unwanted overtime every day when someone took maternity leave. Burned out, I left that company because of that. I dont think this is possible for service related works that have 60% females on their workforce. They will be forced to choose males inorder not to affect the quality of their service/products.
True. Sasabihin na bakit I hire ka nila kung male counterpart mo nag tratrabaho ng 30 days tas sayo 28 lang or possible na ma-low ball ka lalo sa offer dahil dyan.
> Making it exclusive to women may cause some discrimination. Like it’s possible na males lang yung I karamihang i hire since less yung leaves nila.
Yan din naiisip ko.
I remember my former boss (an ignorant boomer like many of his age) saying na mas productive daw kaming mga lalaki dahil wala kaming 90-day maternity leave at menstrual mood swings 'di tulad ng mga co-workers ko na babae.
exclusive kasi sa woman ung regla, kaya ganun. Sarap tanungin nung boss na un na bulatlatin natin etits mo tapos wag ka magleave ha. Di nagegets na ung maternity is same as medical leave dahil sa trauma ng katawan sa childbirth plus the need ng bata sa nanay niya.
Ah crap, they reproduced? I feel bad sa wife and sa mga anak niyang babae kung meron man. I hope none of their children (mapa-babae o lalaki man) learned and adopted such mentality from him.
>as productive daw kaming mga lalaki dahil wala kaming 90-day maternity leave at menstrual mood swings 'di tulad ng mga co-workers ko na babae.
Man's single-handedly perpetuating the gender wage gap.
why do you despise the elders? tatanda ka din naman balang araw. it is not about age. you can have a millenial boss and still experience the same thing.
>Kamatis
wtf @ "productive daw kaming mga lalaki dahil wala kaming 90-day maternity leave at menstrual mood swings 'di tulad ng mga co-workers ko na babae."
Also woman are too emotional at times that they cant comprehend logic. Reasons are reasons but at the end of the day results show men will work more days than female regardless of reason. Regardless of my gender, I know that statement is logically coherent.
> Like it’s possible na males lang yung I karamihang i hire since less yung leaves nila.
This would necessitate a wide-open labor market, which we can't expect to be true across all or even most sectors of the economy.
Agree. This could have an adverse effect in hiring. Mental Health paid leave for all could be more beneficial. Women can use this for their periods, everyone else (including women too) can use this instead without having to invent illness for a sick leave.
Yep and what if you female employee, lets say di na nireregla (not sure what health condition or hormonal problem, please expand po) di na din ba sila entitled for leave
Hays being a woman is already hard enough in this male-dominated patriarchal society, we fought long enough to have equal rights yet we still have to adjust and cater these deeply ingrained misogynistic thinking. Natuwa pa naman ako dito sa news na ‘to, as someone who has endometriosis and who suffers really bad period cramps kaso I really can’t deny that you guys have a point that hiring male employees are much beneficial for the employers at this point. A hard reality check.
maybe it's an older model, I had an A50 and after about 2 years, the soft ware uodates juat started slowing it down to the point of needing to upgrade because my phone couldn't meet the performance I need out of it
Hindi na kailangan ng masyadong mga ganyan kung ang uunahin ay ang Work From Home set up para sa mga applicable jobs, anything else na di maiwasan na on site yes agree na may ganyan.
Ang laking bagay ng wfh mas malala problema sa pag commute at gastos kung papasok sa office.
Ito gusto ko din na mangyari sa Pinas. Yung WFH set up kahit once a week lang ang RTO kasi parusa talaga ang mag commute dito sa Pinas 2-3 hours ang traffic 😮💨
This! Some countries adopt WFH as a benefit na eh. Sana ganun din dito. Kasi sa totoo lang di ko gets kung output based naman pero need i-RTO. Unless may important meetings, understandable naman na need pumasok.
As a woman and sufferer of monthly period pain, this is favorable to us, but I dont like this. Yes, woman will be subject to work discrimination - i think i read some same policy in Spain. Why not increase the mandatory minimum sick leave in general to covered mental health leave as well, and both genders would have same number of sick leaves? Maybe 20-25 days sick leave per year? Maybe?
From the employers perspective, sex is already a big factor. Maternity leave, men tend to work more hours, men tend to take less leaves and have more utility kasi mas malakas physically.
Tama ka, tong ganitong mga policies on paper ay "inclusive" pero in practice ay special treatment and discrimination. Tamang palawakin na lang yung already existing na leaves.
Let's also admit that a lot of people will use this leave kasi tinatamad sila. I would not be surprised if there will be many people using menstrual leave on days na wala naman silang regla dahil may specific silang ayaw gawin o gagamitin ang sick leave sa biglang bakasyon
This happens a lot too in the US. Nagcacall in sick dahil biglang nagbakasyon o may task sa specific day na ayaw gawin.
This should just be part of the regular sick leave. Baka susunod nyan, meron nang specific leave for migraine, for colds, for pinkie eye, for toothpain....
Kailangan kaya ng proof nito para ma-approve ang leave? Some companies are very strict on sick leaves, need mo ng doctor's certification if you're absent for 2 or more days na.
Yung arguments here sa post, while well-meaning, are the same arguments that they used against maternity leave.
Think about that. Replace this proposed leave with "maternity leave" and these arguments will shatter. Should we oppose maternity leaves because magiging "less productive" in the eyes of employers ang mga babae and thus, result in discrimination?
Hindi natin sinasadya pero that's how ingrained misogyny is in our minds. It may well be out of concern, pero we penalize women for having this physiological reality through this form of arguments.
Do you know who pays for those maternity leaves? SSS. SSS and the employer. It has burdened an already overburdened Social Security System even more.
There is no country given more leaves for women than ours. We give women so much leaves that theoretically, they can have a HALF YEAR LEAVE. Maternity, Magna Carta leave, gyno leaves, etc.
This is much worse than maternity since you only give childbirth a few times in life compared to this.
Look, I'm all for women and their rights but laws like these serve to hurt women rather than help them. These laws are "papogi point" laws that make no sense. They burden not only women, but the entire economy since it serves to hurt businesses. It isn't about misogyny. Because if this law passes, THE SAME PEOPLE complaining misogyny are gonna cry misogyny.
Uhh, there are plenty other countries that give so much maternity leave. Finland, for example, gives 3 months maternity leave, 5 weeks vacation days, etc. They also have childcare leave for taking care of kids until they are 3y/o.
To add:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/dec/04/finland-only-country-world-dad-more-time-kids-moms
Imagine being a business owner and your female employees get this extra approx 24days extra paid leaves per year? Wise decision would be to choose an employee with less leaves which happens to be men.
Now, this would only result to lower employment for women. It’s just gonna hurt them more. That’s the reality.
If we wanna push for equality, why not add the sick leave for everyone instead? A mental health leave is logical. This way, we’re not risking women to hiring discrimination.
I don’t understand as how you’re referring to other people here as misogynistic while they are just stating a logical argument. It’s unfortunate but companies care more about productivity and earnings rather than their employees.
If you read my reply to their reply, you'd get your answer. Don't assume my stand on the matter when I didn't say anything about it. For this thread, I'm calling out the person above for grossly exaggerating the leaves women in our country have.
Did I call anyone a misogynist in this thread here? No? Okay.
For the other thread, having internal misogyny doesn't mean the person is misogynist - almost everyone has internal misogyny. However, the user is definitely a misogynist due to previous encounters.
First of all, you honestly think we are as rich than any of these countries that our small and medium businesses can afford it?
Second, our maternity leave is 5 months, much more than Finland's.
As I said, these laws are "papogi" because it only serves to hurt businesses and stifle productivity. Remember that these countries didn't start with those huge social benefits, THEY RAISED PRODUCTIVITY FIRST, made businesses richer, lifted the middle class up first, THEN gave out social benefits. Because that's how the cycle works.
Women in this country, if you add up all the leaves they can be entitled to, all sum up to almost 8 months. 8 months.
Uh no? PH maternity leave is 105 days or 3 1/2 months.
Finland has 105 days maternity leave PLUS childcare leave which can last for 2 years and can be exchanged between parents.
You do know that [job incentives like leaves and better compensation increase productivity](http://ijbmm.com/paper/Jan2019/2129710494.pdf), right?
More time at work doesn't necessarily mean more productive, as [evident by 4 day work week studies](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0258042X221082893)
I agree, papogi lang to kasi dapat lahat bigyan ng masmaraming leave at siguraduhin ang incentives sa lahat
PH maternity leave is 105 days plus an optional 30 you can ask for, plus 60 if there's a miscarriage, and plus 15 if its a solo parent. If you include all holiday leaves, service incentive leaves, gynecology leaves, maternity and so on, it adds up to 8 months. More leaves than work.
Ohh yeah, I believe that. I totally see it in Latin America and socialist nations where they legislate leaves rather than enployer given ones, right? The ones that have poor economies yet legislate labor laws aggressively, right?
Those people are surely productive, I can see it in their economies!
Forcing employers to leaves, to minimum wage increases, is counter productive. Productivity is reflected on educational attainment, a higher earning individual, investment by foreign and local sources, technology, and on. It is NOT based on a single factor like incentive leaves.
There is a balance between social legislation and flat out papogi that hurts the economy. No country wants to invest in a country with aggressive labor legislation (therefore high labor costs). And that applies to ALL, regardless of sex. This has been a perennial problem in the country for YEARS. This is a substantial factor why factories went to Vietnam, or Singapore (that ecourage employers to give more rather than legislate leaves and agressively raise legal minimum wages).
Finland among others do maternity and child leaves primarily TO ENCOURAGE POPULATION GROWTH. More time for families so more time to care for childreb Not to incentivize productivity gain investments which they have no problems getting compared to us.
I think it's just reality that in a workspace context, men in general is just the better option. We already have the stats to prove it.
Men don't get pregnant, tend to work more hours, less absents and has more utility because of physical strength. At the end of the day, a job is still a business that needs to make money. Part of that is choosing the best employees. This isn't really discrimination, it's just what it is.
Marami naman options for women na sila nga ang best option like social work, sales, modeling etc. I think the problem we have today is that society keeps insisting that men and women are equal. We're not equal, accept the differences and play to your strengths.
The other comments in here make sense except yours. Yes, men in general are physically stronger and women gets to work better on social work but it shouldn't be their only choice just because it is their 'strength'. Not all men wants to work physically and not all women are good socializing.
Besides your comment is irrelevant to the topic. Menstruation is not a skill aspect. If a company don't wants to hire woman just because of this then it is indeed a discrimination thing
Yes that is the problem, this policy looks good on paper but will have the opposite effect in practice because it does lead to sexism.
My point is that men are already the better option in most employment situations because of the factors I stated above. Tapos pag nagkaroon pa ng ganitong policies, lalo lang magkakaroon ng preferences ang employers to hire women less.
At the end of the day, employers want to hire the workers that will work the most and get paid the least. It's just business.
Exhibit A of internalized misogyny. You're misconstruing equality - it's not the biological aspect of equality that people are insisting, but the social. Wag maging biological essentialist.
This is the problem: when someone states facts that puts women in a negative light, they get called misogynist. But when men are put in the same negative light nobody bats an eye.
The social part of cannot be separated from biology because men and women socialize differently between themselves and the opposite sex as well. Men tend to be more protective of women, while women tend to be more cautious with men. That social dynamic is still rooted in biology.
lmao you didn't get called a misogynist, your utterances were labeled internalized misogyny - learn the difference.
Besides, I know you are in fact misogynist from your history.
Just because the biological influences the social dynamics doesn't mean its effects can't be minimized or nullified altogether. The point of the struggle is to move towards social equality despite biological differences. It would be defeatist to just invoke "biologically different" and call it quits for the movement for gender equality lol.
See, this is what happens today. I'm not labelling anyone but when you state facts you get labelled. You just have to do it, huh?
Misogyny is the hatred or contempt for women. I do not have any of those towards women. I just stated the fact that from an employer's perspective, men in general are the better option. How is that misogynistic?
This social equality you speak of isn't really equality. It's special treatment. Because if we're to really equalize it then everyone in this context gets the same amount of paid leave, no matter the sex.
Do you even understand internalized misogyny?
Oh? Did you just assume my stand on the matter at hand? I do agree that if women are granted paid leave for their menstruation, men should have the same amount of paid leave. Same with paternity leaves being as long as maternity leaves.
So no, the social equality I speak of is in fact, social equality. Whatever is happening with lawmakers right now is out of my hand.
swerte nmn sa mga babae na paramg wala lang naramdaman kapag na mens. ako kasi may sakit na dala pa stress sa ulo at nanginginig na kamay sabay balik2 sa cr.
I agree with this. Typing this while I'm in my bed because of extreme dysmenorrhea. Buti na lng tlga may wfh huhuhu. Ang intense kasi nung akin nagsusuka, minsan nahihimatay dati dinadala pa sa e.r.
I agree that women have needs different from men, but this bill will only encourage discrimination in the workplace. Why not make it all-encompassing by requiring companies to give x number of sick leave?
Can't comment until details are out. I highly doubt the proposal entails 24 additional leaves for every female worker. The menstrual leaves in other countries have conditions:
>In Indonesia, under the Labor Act No. 13 in 2003, women have a right to two days of menstrual leave per month though these are not additional leaves.[15]
>In Japan, since 1947, Article 68 of the Labour Standards Law states "When a woman for whom work during menstrual periods would be specially difficult has requested leave, the employer shall not employ such woman on days of the menstrual period."[16][17] While Japanese law requires that a woman going through especially difficult menstruation be allowed to take leave, it does not require companies to provide paid leave or extra pay for women who choose to work during menstruation.
>In South Korea, female employees are entitled to menstrual leave according to the Article 71 of the Labour Standards Law,[18] and are ensured additional pay if they do not take the menstrual leave that they are entitled to.[19]
>In Taiwan, the Act of Gender Equality in Employment[20] gives women three days of "menstrual leave" per year, which will not be calculated toward the 30 days of "common sick leave", giving women up to 33 days of "health-related leaves" per year. The extra three days do not come with half-pays once a woman employee exceeds the regulated 30.[21]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_leave
dagdagan na lang ng sick leave for all. gawin na rin pareho ang length ng maternity at paternity leave.
ang patronising lang ng dating pag ganyan, magkakaroon lang din ng resentment dahil hindi equal
Baka magkaroon ng investment pullout sa PH with this initative and shared services/bpo companies transfer to countries like India with less laws like this. We are already competing with them sa migration ng work to PH and this might give them the edge sa competition. Sa operations standpoint, this is a nightmare. I can already imagine myself plotting monthly calendar menstrual schedule for my team para hindi mamatay ang operations.
For someone like me na automatic na na absent kapag may period sobrang naappreciate ko to. Every time may period ako merong certain day sa onset na grabe ang pain, bigla na lang umaattack, if di ako naka inom ng pain med prior to the pain di na ako makakagalaw nang maayos. So even if I go to the office di rin ako productive.
Talagang "super mommy" ang nanay nating lahat. May sakit siya, nagtatrabaho pa din. Buntis, namamalengke at nagluluto pa din. May regla, sinusundo at hinahatid pa din tayo sa eskwela. Ang galing ni Mommy.
Spain recently did this.
I think this is a bad move that looks good on paper. Imagine mo kung employer ka, pag babae kinuha mo matic may babayaran kang 1 month/ year na libre, pero kung lalaki walang ganun. Bakit ako maghihire ng babae kung ganyan?
Factor na naman talaga ang sex sa maghihire (physical strength, company image, maternity leave), so I think this would do the exact opposite.
Madalas kasi yung mga policies na "inclusive" at "for equality" pag inisip mo, special treatment naman nangyayari. Maybe make this additional 2 days/ month leave generic, like mental health leave or something.
I know how hard this is for women pero naiisip ko na baka magbackfire din to? Kasi kung specific to women lang to baka makita ng employers to as a reason to hire less women or maybe lower their salaries/offer to offset the extra 24 days off per year?
Same cents. On a business standpoint, owners would tend to hire less women because why would they hire someone whom they pay in full but renders service less. But yeah, FUCK CAPITALISM
Kung ikaw ay business woman, tapos paid yung "menstruation leave" per month... mag ha hire kapa ba ng mga babae? tanong lang para sa mga girls... no hate
Good idea on paper, but in reality this would cause more inequality when it comes to hiring women. Kase naman if you have 2 days of leave per month and maternity leave, as a company you would rather hire a male employee that has no such kind of leaves and paternity leave lasts shorter than mat leave. In short baka instead of matulungan ang ating female workforce lalo pa sila mahirapan maghanap ng trabaho because they would need to do 2x more effort than men to secure a job. It sucks but thats prolly how it would be in practice
what if we start with 1 day LWOP per month available only on the month. this makes it so may choice pa din pumasok if they want and opt to bear the thing
i think for stuff like this we should just place emphasis on the fact that the condition is at least acknowledged and it's at least better than nothing muna? if anything it's the peace of mind na u can rest worry-free if u want/have to
Bet ko yan.
Mas maraming babae ngayon ang nag su-suffer ng menstruation-related problems. Sa workplace ko before, out of 23 females, 9 ang may myoma/dysmenorrhea/endometriosis/cysts, including myself. 2 ang wala nang matris.
Di ko alam bakit prevalent na ito ngayon.
Yeah, as much as I agree, they shouldn't specify "menstrual leave" it is discriminatory, should be tagged as "Wellness or flexible days" instead where anyone can use it depending on their own personal situation.
Which is why SOGIE bill is important as well to avoid this kind of discrimination.
Also, rather than say "wag na mag reklamo mga babae", samahan mo sa laban kesa sa mag invalidate ng concerns jfc.
I know what you mean, which is sad but true. Regardless, it doesn't give us any right to invalidate women's right to "Complain" or criticize when it happens. Very invalidating.
Sinabi ko lang lahat para wala nang discussion, yun opposite pala ang effect. Sarcastic kasi talaga ang tone ko usually.
Invalidating ang batas. I am just voicing out an inconvenient truth.
you have been downvoted for a valid statement. eh sa totoo namang mangyayari iyan. problema sa ibang tao dito, they cannot take an honest and real statement.
Marami lang talaga dito ignorante sa realidad. Hindi kasi lahat nakaranas mapunta sa operations, nightmare sa scheduling ng isang operation yang panukala lalo na kung 24/7 operation. Parang whack a mole pag tapal sa manpower.
Although the premise is valid, very invalidating ang manner of expression, rude pa nga eh.
Rather than say "wag na mag reklamo mga babae", better sana na i-promote ang solidarity sa struggle of workplace inequality
Its sounds rude because its I am citing a rude reality na ang law na yan parang wolf in sheep's clothing. Kunwari pambabae pero discriminatory talaga.
Advance kasi ako mag isip na mag cheer mga feminists nyan. Lalo na yung mga mababaw lang mag isip at mag jump agad sa bandwagon.
Solidarity is not making feminist laws that companies can weaponize against women.
This law is bad for everyone.
I will say how I want to say it and I am willing to accept the consequences of my words.
People are only trying to be nice on Reddit because of karma. Just saying.
Bakit parang sa babae nyo isisisi eh kung hindi sana kami naghihirap para magcommute araw-araw ng 2-3 hrs aba'y sana hindi na siguro malaking problema yan. Lalaki ka kasi siguro kaya ganyan ka mag-isip, siguro kung lalaki na kayang magbuntis baka isang taon pa nga yung magiging maternity leave nyo eh. Tyaka ano naman kung valid ang statement, hanggang duon na lang at wala nang idaragdag sa usapan kung alam naman nating lahat na ganyan naman trato sa mga babae kahit saan, nakakasawa na talaga yung mga may masabi lang.
nasaan naman ang sinisisi ang mga babae? the poster just stated na fact na malamang sa malamang, lalong mahihirapan ang mga babae na makakuha ng work if maipatupad iyan. i am all for it as i understand what women go through every month.
ang nakikita at pinipilit nyo lang kasi, is ganun dapat. but let us be real. employers run businesses and they prefer continuity sa negosyo, which is just understable only if you also look at the other side. if they have a choice, syempre lalaki ang kukunin nila para nga naman walang patid ang trabaho. ngayon, masama ba yun? choice mong maniwala na hindi dapat ganun. choice din naman nila to prioritize their business first. not that i am siding with them, pero can we blame them?
I guess you got a point, I just took your statement on a reactionary manner, kasi parang papunta na sa paninisi yung ibang nagcocomment dito. Pero kung mangyari man na may mga kumpanya na lalaki na lang ang ihahire ng mga kumpanya na naghahire ng mga babae noon (kung mapasa man yung panukala) I guess I'll just choose to boycott them. Pero in a bigger picture sana hindi mapasa to, sa totoo lang nabwibwiset na rin ako sa dagdag problema ng mga kababaihan, ang dami-daming ibang pwedeng ipanukala napasama pa ito para sa mga ipaglalaban ng mga kababaihan, ganung hindi namn pagleave ang solusyon.
As long as it's without pay no problem. I'm not paying staff to stay home, sorry I needto make money so I will use that money to employ a casual to cover off the menstruating staff
Calling leaves with different names invites discrimination. It’s just a sick leave.
What should be changed is requiring someone to get a medical certificate for an illness that does not require consult. Nagiging reason pa to fake med certs which I see a lot of. In my opinion, it should be required for absences for more than 3 consecutive days.
Ganyan naman sa decent companies, hindi pa ako nakakapag bigay ng medcert para sa SL sa buong buhay ko.
But yes, it should be written sa labor laws natin. Just add more sick leaves. And get rid of all these labels. Lahat naman yan health related.
Paano magkaka equality ang babae at lalaki kung gagawa ng batas base sa pagkakaiba ng genders? Lol Meron namang sick leave eh di kung di kaya mag sick leave. Pero ilang dekada na ba non issue toh? Ibig sabihin kaya ng babae. Hindi weak. Hindi kailangan ng special treatment. Kung isulong niyo toh mas bibigyan niyo ng resentment ang lalaki sa babae. Lol
Here’s an idea: why don’t employers just design work so that people don’t have to deal with the stress that comes
with commuting on top of regular stressors like menstruation?
I fear that this law could introduce invisible discrimination, like women being passed off from promotions, and it would be very hard to prove discrimination is taking place.
this will produce discrimination in hiring. like my current manager doesn't want to hire women apparently because of the possibility na manganak and the maternity leave
This thread is depressing. As someone who has secondary dysmenorrhea, I usually request to work from home or in worst months, take a sick leave. I can barely sit up from the pain, and I take pain meds like they’re candies because this lasts for about 2 weeks. Isang araw lang usually ang pinapaalam ko, on the worst day, pero ramdam ko na others don’t really understand it or don’t really care. Even if my bosses and colleagues say it’s okay, I know that they might be thinking na I’m overreacting (at least based on their reaction). Reading the comments here is sort of a proof of that.
I don’t think so, if menstrual leave is a guaranteed leave 24 days a year (and is paid separately from sick leave), expect employers to start finding more reasons to hire men.
Productivity and profit are their main priorities
Tindi ng mga mambabatas sa atin. Why not think of ways to be competitive. If I'm a foreign investor where will I go? Dami na nga holiday Pati Regla bakasyon pa din?
By this point they should just shorten the workweek to 4 days. Everyone benefits. Less commuting, longer time to rest, improved mental/physical health, longer leisure time.
Life is a privilege. During recruitment/hiring process everyone is given equal oppurtunity regardless of their gender and status in life. Dinidisregard nila kung ano man yung personal challenges natin and sa interview inaassure natin sa employer na di makakaapekto sa work natin ung mga ganyang bagay. Marami naman nang binigay na mga privileges pra sa mga employees (maternity leave, solo parent etc), i aggree with others about adding mental health leave and not this gender specific one.
Let's see kung mapapanukala nga yan. Malaki ang pwedeng mawala sa mga companies dahil diyan. Magiging hesitant din ang mga employers na maghire ng female applicants kung ganito.
Somewhere down the line, someone will eventually call some shit about this.
How dare you not include me in this law, I identify as a women and therefore should be included!
The law specifically says "menstruating women" it did not single out anyone. You could be a women but not menstrual and therefore not be included.
You could be a geriatric woman who no longer menstruates and you won't get covered by this law.
Better make this law cover everyone unless you want someone to spark something and not get things done.
I am a man, I identify as a Panda, and I am in favor of this for our women. Anyone not in favor to this has definitely not worked with a gentle and soft spoken boss turn demonspawn just because something goes wrong and she got her period at the same time. Let her stay at home and annoy her husband or partner instead.
Parang mas productive ang Four-day work week.
Try to imagine na lahat ng empleyado mo babae tapos nagkataon na sabay sabay sila nagkaroon ng menstruation. Or yung isang female employee mo is vital sa day to day operations ng small company.
why not add wellness leaves for everyone nalang.
My current company has wellness holidays, 4 as isang taon, where the whole company takes an off day pero paid lahat.
hindi ba mahihirapan lang na ma hire ang mga babae? i know may industry na kaya tong ibigay pero mas malaki yata yung percentage ng industry na kailangan talaga yung manpower... restaurants, factories, sales reps etc
sa case ko lang as an employer na may small business na hindi afford mag hire ng sobra sobra para sa biglaang absent, laging masisira ang scheduling ng shifts at pasok on a monthly basis... dahil hindi naman eksaktong 28days yung menstruation... meron iregular etc... biglang kulang ako ng tao for 2 days, pano kung key position pa sya, pano kung meron din nangailangan ng leave dahil emergency etc?
kung dagdagan ang leave, pero planned, wala naman problema... pero kung monthly na biglaan? ang hirap isipan ng solusyon maliban sa wag mag hire ng babae...
hindi ba nila pag iisipan man lang kung pano bibigyan din ng leave yung pagbabayad ko ng sangkaterbang tax at renta... kahit 2 days lang din every other month...
I hate the fact that all arguments posted here makes sense. I hate that advocating for women's health will cause major shifts in employment kase nga naman if women will present with more liability than men, mas magiging unhireable sila - except for those who promote diversity like BPOs i guess. Women on their periods feel pain similar to getting a heart attack, pain that not everyone will experience in their lifetime but is suffered by women monthly, pero now na open na ang lahat to giving us paid leaves, meron na namang magiging hadlang 🤦
Another factor is cost: mas mahal na para sa companies yung pag-hire ng single female kumpara sa single male because of this.
I think It would be better if they made it like generic thing, like mental health paid leave. Making it exclusive to women may cause some discrimination. Like it’s possible na males lang yung I karamihang i hire since less yung leaves nila.
Let me be the devil's advocate: the problem with this line of thinking is that it puts the burden on women. It's not their fault that they have this physiological reality. This reality shouldn't be "erased" through the use of generic terms in an attempt to skirt around job discrimination (which, again, is not their fault). The Magna Carta of Women protects them against this gender-based discrimination, and affirms their right to work.
doesn't protect them from anything, old boss didn't want to hire women because of pregnancy, this 2 day leave is just icing on the cake.
Why have laws in the first place because some people get away with doing crimes, right? Let's do away with laws altogether.
What are you talking about? Everyone agrees women have a right to work. The problem is the number of leaves women will have than men.
Why not both? Menstruation leave para sa mga nireregla, kasi dinadanas naman talaga nila yun. And expand sick leaves to cover mental health as well. (Longshot I know, but we should be advocating for things like this instead of watering it down immediately)
Yeah, I do agree with your suggestion. Tho the problem with sick leave is some companies kinukupal yung approval nung mga yun, yung iba need pa ng medical cert thingy. Lahat naman tayo nakaranas na ma burn out like yung wala ka sa mood mag work and all you need is rest. Having additional mental health leave (w/o questions asked) can probably help employees.
True. Ang dami kong Sick Leave na nagamit gawa ng burnout, pero nagiimbento na lang ng sakit para makakuha ng medcert. Balewala din yung SL kasi pupunta ka sa doktor para magpatingin imbis na ipahinga mo or magrelax lang.
Thats the only thing I like as a government employee. Kapag 1 to 2 days na SL hindi required magbigay ng Med Cert.
Buti pa kayo. Tsaka ang mahirap din sa ibang private companies (especially BPO's), yung VL mo ipapaplot sayo for the whole year. Kaya wala kang chance gamitin yung VL as leave pag nabburn out ka na. Kaya much better talagang kasama na mental health dun sa SL eh. Di ata gets nung iba na yung VL is either plotted or ipapaalam mo pa weeks in advance. Eh ang nangyayari naman sa work minsan eh bigla ka na lang nakakaramdam ng burnout or mental exhaustion, kahit akala mo kaya mo pa. Although swerte ako sa current company ko kasi di sila mahigpit sa medcert since PTO yung leave namin (magkahalong VL at SL na, use it however you need/want)
Sa amin, more than 5 days na SL tsaka need ng med cert. Gulat kasi ako, umabsent ako ng 4 days due to flu, hindi ako nirequire ng med cert hehe
Ako dati kapag ‘di ko na kayang pumasok sa sobrang stress, binababad ko ‘yung thermometer sa sinag ng araw tapos pag mataas na ‘yung temperature, pipicturan ko tapos sesend ko sa boss ko. Grabe kasi, ‘di makapag-leave ng maayos. Kahit complete ka naman ng work mo, pahirapan pa rin.
This. Tapos may nagpost pa dito last time na nagwowork sa hospital, bakit daw ang daming nagpapaconsult sa kanila para lang makakakuha ng medcert. 🙄🙄🙄.
Kasi pang SICK naman dapat ang SL. VL ata yung gusto mo…
Hahahaha okay po
I remember a TL of mine, ganoon ginagawa and considering na you pay a doctor to write a med cert, talaga lang naman... nakakainis hahaha.
How will that address their concern of possible gender discrimination?
I think there has to be other laws preventing it from happening. Maternity leaves are longer than paternity leaves but I don’t think it has led to more companies hiring substantially more men instead.
Maternity leave is rare. Realistically, one to three times lang mangyayari sa buong buhay ng babae. Once a woman hits 40, they rarely ever get pregnant again. This one is two days a month. Counting 5 days a week, that's a bit less than 10% ng work days is leave.
Thats only for 1 female, what if your team is composed of several females. Happened to me before and almost every year we are required to do unwanted overtime every day when someone took maternity leave. Burned out, I left that company because of that. I dont think this is possible for service related works that have 60% females on their workforce. They will be forced to choose males inorder not to affect the quality of their service/products.
Meron yatang "same" cycle ang lalaki pero di pa masyadong napag aaralan ng mabuti.. it's called irritable male syndrome.. Just my 2¢
True. Sasabihin na bakit I hire ka nila kung male counterpart mo nag tratrabaho ng 30 days tas sayo 28 lang or possible na ma-low ball ka lalo sa offer dahil dyan.
And why wouldn’t they. All things being equal between applicants employers should be free to choose the one which costs less.
> Making it exclusive to women may cause some discrimination. Like it’s possible na males lang yung I karamihang i hire since less yung leaves nila. Yan din naiisip ko. I remember my former boss (an ignorant boomer like many of his age) saying na mas productive daw kaming mga lalaki dahil wala kaming 90-day maternity leave at menstrual mood swings 'di tulad ng mga co-workers ko na babae.
exclusive kasi sa woman ung regla, kaya ganun. Sarap tanungin nung boss na un na bulatlatin natin etits mo tapos wag ka magleave ha. Di nagegets na ung maternity is same as medical leave dahil sa trauma ng katawan sa childbirth plus the need ng bata sa nanay niya.
Oh they know that, pamilyado yung mga yun e. Ang logic ng mga yan, kung di ka nila mapipiga wala kang silbi sa kanila.
Ah crap, they reproduced? I feel bad sa wife and sa mga anak niyang babae kung meron man. I hope none of their children (mapa-babae o lalaki man) learned and adopted such mentality from him.
>as productive daw kaming mga lalaki dahil wala kaming 90-day maternity leave at menstrual mood swings 'di tulad ng mga co-workers ko na babae. Man's single-handedly perpetuating the gender wage gap.
ignorant boomers are the worst boss. Had one dati, sobrang toxic nya and hindi na napapanahon yung mga ideology/strategies nya
why do you despise the elders? tatanda ka din naman balang araw. it is not about age. you can have a millenial boss and still experience the same thing.
Product of their time.
Meron ako kilala company na muntik na magsara kasi sabay nag maternity . Small company of 10 lng. So d mo rin masisi SME minsan
>Kamatis wtf @ "productive daw kaming mga lalaki dahil wala kaming 90-day maternity leave at menstrual mood swings 'di tulad ng mga co-workers ko na babae."
Also woman are too emotional at times that they cant comprehend logic. Reasons are reasons but at the end of the day results show men will work more days than female regardless of reason. Regardless of my gender, I know that statement is logically coherent.
hindi ba tama naman? how can you be productive kung panay ka naka leave?
Just add more sick leaves. Everyone benefits. Ganun ka-simple.
Sa company namin, may wellness leave (deducted sa 15 Sick Leave annually). No explanation or what if magtatake nun
> Like it’s possible na males lang yung I karamihang i hire since less yung leaves nila. This would necessitate a wide-open labor market, which we can't expect to be true across all or even most sectors of the economy.
Agree. This could have an adverse effect in hiring. Mental Health paid leave for all could be more beneficial. Women can use this for their periods, everyone else (including women too) can use this instead without having to invent illness for a sick leave.
Yep and what if you female employee, lets say di na nireregla (not sure what health condition or hormonal problem, please expand po) di na din ba sila entitled for leave
Mas ok to gender equality 😅
Hays being a woman is already hard enough in this male-dominated patriarchal society, we fought long enough to have equal rights yet we still have to adjust and cater these deeply ingrained misogynistic thinking. Natuwa pa naman ako dito sa news na ‘to, as someone who has endometriosis and who suffers really bad period cramps kaso I really can’t deny that you guys have a point that hiring male employees are much beneficial for the employers at this point. A hard reality check.
mental health paid leave?? magrereklamo mga batang 90s niyan kesyo masyadong binebaby ang gen z something something
Huh? Di ba nga tayong mga millennials ang generation na nagsimula magkaroon ng pake to take care of our own mental health.
Mga ganitong mindset talaga ang dahilan kung bakit may stigma pa rin.
Software update mo na Samsung phone mo OP.
maybe it's an older model, I had an A50 and after about 2 years, the soft ware uodates juat started slowing it down to the point of needing to upgrade because my phone couldn't meet the performance I need out of it
Yep i have A50 3 years na. I stopped updating it kasi it noticeably slows down my phone.
Im sorry pero mas magiging bias mga companies to hire female workers due to this. Worse if paid pa to.
medyo delikado kapag low skilled jobs, pero kung mga skilled talaga depende din.
Hindi na kailangan ng masyadong mga ganyan kung ang uunahin ay ang Work From Home set up para sa mga applicable jobs, anything else na di maiwasan na on site yes agree na may ganyan. Ang laking bagay ng wfh mas malala problema sa pag commute at gastos kung papasok sa office.
Ito gusto ko din na mangyari sa Pinas. Yung WFH set up kahit once a week lang ang RTO kasi parusa talaga ang mag commute dito sa Pinas 2-3 hours ang traffic 😮💨
Swerte ko lang din talaga at 2x a month lang kami RTO. Maliit yung bpo namin pero di kami pinabayaan buong pandemic.
WFH is the key.
This is the way. 👍
This! Some countries adopt WFH as a benefit na eh. Sana ganun din dito. Kasi sa totoo lang di ko gets kung output based naman pero need i-RTO. Unless may important meetings, understandable naman na need pumasok.
As a woman and sufferer of monthly period pain, this is favorable to us, but I dont like this. Yes, woman will be subject to work discrimination - i think i read some same policy in Spain. Why not increase the mandatory minimum sick leave in general to covered mental health leave as well, and both genders would have same number of sick leaves? Maybe 20-25 days sick leave per year? Maybe?
From the employers perspective, sex is already a big factor. Maternity leave, men tend to work more hours, men tend to take less leaves and have more utility kasi mas malakas physically. Tama ka, tong ganitong mga policies on paper ay "inclusive" pero in practice ay special treatment and discrimination. Tamang palawakin na lang yung already existing na leaves.
Let's also admit that a lot of people will use this leave kasi tinatamad sila. I would not be surprised if there will be many people using menstrual leave on days na wala naman silang regla dahil may specific silang ayaw gawin o gagamitin ang sick leave sa biglang bakasyon This happens a lot too in the US. Nagcacall in sick dahil biglang nagbakasyon o may task sa specific day na ayaw gawin. This should just be part of the regular sick leave. Baka susunod nyan, meron nang specific leave for migraine, for colds, for pinkie eye, for toothpain....
I need “tangina ayoko magtrabaho” leave
+1 to this. Ka excite i file to sa company. Huehue
Kailangan kaya ng proof nito para ma-approve ang leave? Some companies are very strict on sick leaves, need mo ng doctor's certification if you're absent for 2 or more days na.
Paano...?
Baka gusto nilang magsend kami ng pic ng napkin hahahahahha
Grabe nmn
Picture ng regla😂
Yung arguments here sa post, while well-meaning, are the same arguments that they used against maternity leave. Think about that. Replace this proposed leave with "maternity leave" and these arguments will shatter. Should we oppose maternity leaves because magiging "less productive" in the eyes of employers ang mga babae and thus, result in discrimination? Hindi natin sinasadya pero that's how ingrained misogyny is in our minds. It may well be out of concern, pero we penalize women for having this physiological reality through this form of arguments.
Menstrual pain =/= Pregancy issues.
Do you know who pays for those maternity leaves? SSS. SSS and the employer. It has burdened an already overburdened Social Security System even more. There is no country given more leaves for women than ours. We give women so much leaves that theoretically, they can have a HALF YEAR LEAVE. Maternity, Magna Carta leave, gyno leaves, etc. This is much worse than maternity since you only give childbirth a few times in life compared to this. Look, I'm all for women and their rights but laws like these serve to hurt women rather than help them. These laws are "papogi point" laws that make no sense. They burden not only women, but the entire economy since it serves to hurt businesses. It isn't about misogyny. Because if this law passes, THE SAME PEOPLE complaining misogyny are gonna cry misogyny.
Uhh, there are plenty other countries that give so much maternity leave. Finland, for example, gives 3 months maternity leave, 5 weeks vacation days, etc. They also have childcare leave for taking care of kids until they are 3y/o. To add: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/dec/04/finland-only-country-world-dad-more-time-kids-moms
Imagine being a business owner and your female employees get this extra approx 24days extra paid leaves per year? Wise decision would be to choose an employee with less leaves which happens to be men. Now, this would only result to lower employment for women. It’s just gonna hurt them more. That’s the reality. If we wanna push for equality, why not add the sick leave for everyone instead? A mental health leave is logical. This way, we’re not risking women to hiring discrimination. I don’t understand as how you’re referring to other people here as misogynistic while they are just stating a logical argument. It’s unfortunate but companies care more about productivity and earnings rather than their employees.
If you read my reply to their reply, you'd get your answer. Don't assume my stand on the matter when I didn't say anything about it. For this thread, I'm calling out the person above for grossly exaggerating the leaves women in our country have. Did I call anyone a misogynist in this thread here? No? Okay. For the other thread, having internal misogyny doesn't mean the person is misogynist - almost everyone has internal misogyny. However, the user is definitely a misogynist due to previous encounters.
Why put PWD ramps? Why not turn ALL stairs into ramps. That's how your logic sounds.
Lol that’s just how you want to make it sound. What a bs
First of all, you honestly think we are as rich than any of these countries that our small and medium businesses can afford it? Second, our maternity leave is 5 months, much more than Finland's. As I said, these laws are "papogi" because it only serves to hurt businesses and stifle productivity. Remember that these countries didn't start with those huge social benefits, THEY RAISED PRODUCTIVITY FIRST, made businesses richer, lifted the middle class up first, THEN gave out social benefits. Because that's how the cycle works. Women in this country, if you add up all the leaves they can be entitled to, all sum up to almost 8 months. 8 months.
Uh no? PH maternity leave is 105 days or 3 1/2 months. Finland has 105 days maternity leave PLUS childcare leave which can last for 2 years and can be exchanged between parents. You do know that [job incentives like leaves and better compensation increase productivity](http://ijbmm.com/paper/Jan2019/2129710494.pdf), right? More time at work doesn't necessarily mean more productive, as [evident by 4 day work week studies](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0258042X221082893) I agree, papogi lang to kasi dapat lahat bigyan ng masmaraming leave at siguraduhin ang incentives sa lahat
PH maternity leave is 105 days plus an optional 30 you can ask for, plus 60 if there's a miscarriage, and plus 15 if its a solo parent. If you include all holiday leaves, service incentive leaves, gynecology leaves, maternity and so on, it adds up to 8 months. More leaves than work. Ohh yeah, I believe that. I totally see it in Latin America and socialist nations where they legislate leaves rather than enployer given ones, right? The ones that have poor economies yet legislate labor laws aggressively, right? Those people are surely productive, I can see it in their economies! Forcing employers to leaves, to minimum wage increases, is counter productive. Productivity is reflected on educational attainment, a higher earning individual, investment by foreign and local sources, technology, and on. It is NOT based on a single factor like incentive leaves. There is a balance between social legislation and flat out papogi that hurts the economy. No country wants to invest in a country with aggressive labor legislation (therefore high labor costs). And that applies to ALL, regardless of sex. This has been a perennial problem in the country for YEARS. This is a substantial factor why factories went to Vietnam, or Singapore (that ecourage employers to give more rather than legislate leaves and agressively raise legal minimum wages). Finland among others do maternity and child leaves primarily TO ENCOURAGE POPULATION GROWTH. More time for families so more time to care for childreb Not to incentivize productivity gain investments which they have no problems getting compared to us.
I think it's just reality that in a workspace context, men in general is just the better option. We already have the stats to prove it. Men don't get pregnant, tend to work more hours, less absents and has more utility because of physical strength. At the end of the day, a job is still a business that needs to make money. Part of that is choosing the best employees. This isn't really discrimination, it's just what it is. Marami naman options for women na sila nga ang best option like social work, sales, modeling etc. I think the problem we have today is that society keeps insisting that men and women are equal. We're not equal, accept the differences and play to your strengths.
The other comments in here make sense except yours. Yes, men in general are physically stronger and women gets to work better on social work but it shouldn't be their only choice just because it is their 'strength'. Not all men wants to work physically and not all women are good socializing. Besides your comment is irrelevant to the topic. Menstruation is not a skill aspect. If a company don't wants to hire woman just because of this then it is indeed a discrimination thing
Yes that is the problem, this policy looks good on paper but will have the opposite effect in practice because it does lead to sexism. My point is that men are already the better option in most employment situations because of the factors I stated above. Tapos pag nagkaroon pa ng ganitong policies, lalo lang magkakaroon ng preferences ang employers to hire women less. At the end of the day, employers want to hire the workers that will work the most and get paid the least. It's just business.
Exhibit A of internalized misogyny. You're misconstruing equality - it's not the biological aspect of equality that people are insisting, but the social. Wag maging biological essentialist.
This is the problem: when someone states facts that puts women in a negative light, they get called misogynist. But when men are put in the same negative light nobody bats an eye. The social part of cannot be separated from biology because men and women socialize differently between themselves and the opposite sex as well. Men tend to be more protective of women, while women tend to be more cautious with men. That social dynamic is still rooted in biology.
lmao you didn't get called a misogynist, your utterances were labeled internalized misogyny - learn the difference. Besides, I know you are in fact misogynist from your history. Just because the biological influences the social dynamics doesn't mean its effects can't be minimized or nullified altogether. The point of the struggle is to move towards social equality despite biological differences. It would be defeatist to just invoke "biologically different" and call it quits for the movement for gender equality lol.
See, this is what happens today. I'm not labelling anyone but when you state facts you get labelled. You just have to do it, huh? Misogyny is the hatred or contempt for women. I do not have any of those towards women. I just stated the fact that from an employer's perspective, men in general are the better option. How is that misogynistic? This social equality you speak of isn't really equality. It's special treatment. Because if we're to really equalize it then everyone in this context gets the same amount of paid leave, no matter the sex.
Do you even understand internalized misogyny? Oh? Did you just assume my stand on the matter at hand? I do agree that if women are granted paid leave for their menstruation, men should have the same amount of paid leave. Same with paternity leaves being as long as maternity leaves. So no, the social equality I speak of is in fact, social equality. Whatever is happening with lawmakers right now is out of my hand.
kung kailan pamenopause na ko, pero maganda yan, ako kasi walang nararamdaman naman kapag may mens, pero marami sa amin pala, nanghihina kapag meron.
swerte nmn sa mga babae na paramg wala lang naramdaman kapag na mens. ako kasi may sakit na dala pa stress sa ulo at nanginginig na kamay sabay balik2 sa cr.
yeah, akala ko nga ganun normal, until nakarinig ako ng mga stories.
I agree with this. Typing this while I'm in my bed because of extreme dysmenorrhea. Buti na lng tlga may wfh huhuhu. Ang intense kasi nung akin nagsusuka, minsan nahihimatay dati dinadala pa sa e.r.
I agree that women have needs different from men, but this bill will only encourage discrimination in the workplace. Why not make it all-encompassing by requiring companies to give x number of sick leave?
Can't comment until details are out. I highly doubt the proposal entails 24 additional leaves for every female worker. The menstrual leaves in other countries have conditions: >In Indonesia, under the Labor Act No. 13 in 2003, women have a right to two days of menstrual leave per month though these are not additional leaves.[15] >In Japan, since 1947, Article 68 of the Labour Standards Law states "When a woman for whom work during menstrual periods would be specially difficult has requested leave, the employer shall not employ such woman on days of the menstrual period."[16][17] While Japanese law requires that a woman going through especially difficult menstruation be allowed to take leave, it does not require companies to provide paid leave or extra pay for women who choose to work during menstruation. >In South Korea, female employees are entitled to menstrual leave according to the Article 71 of the Labour Standards Law,[18] and are ensured additional pay if they do not take the menstrual leave that they are entitled to.[19] >In Taiwan, the Act of Gender Equality in Employment[20] gives women three days of "menstrual leave" per year, which will not be calculated toward the 30 days of "common sick leave", giving women up to 33 days of "health-related leaves" per year. The extra three days do not come with half-pays once a woman employee exceeds the regulated 30.[21] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_leave
dagdagan na lang ng sick leave for all. gawin na rin pareho ang length ng maternity at paternity leave. ang patronising lang ng dating pag ganyan, magkakaroon lang din ng resentment dahil hindi equal
Baka magkaroon ng investment pullout sa PH with this initative and shared services/bpo companies transfer to countries like India with less laws like this. We are already competing with them sa migration ng work to PH and this might give them the edge sa competition. Sa operations standpoint, this is a nightmare. I can already imagine myself plotting monthly calendar menstrual schedule for my team para hindi mamatay ang operations.
This 2 day leave menses proposal was made by someone with the intention to wipe out women in a workplace..Good job..
For someone like me na automatic na na absent kapag may period sobrang naappreciate ko to. Every time may period ako merong certain day sa onset na grabe ang pain, bigla na lang umaattack, if di ako naka inom ng pain med prior to the pain di na ako makakagalaw nang maayos. So even if I go to the office di rin ako productive.
Talagang "super mommy" ang nanay nating lahat. May sakit siya, nagtatrabaho pa din. Buntis, namamalengke at nagluluto pa din. May regla, sinusundo at hinahatid pa din tayo sa eskwela. Ang galing ni Mommy.
Spain recently did this. I think this is a bad move that looks good on paper. Imagine mo kung employer ka, pag babae kinuha mo matic may babayaran kang 1 month/ year na libre, pero kung lalaki walang ganun. Bakit ako maghihire ng babae kung ganyan? Factor na naman talaga ang sex sa maghihire (physical strength, company image, maternity leave), so I think this would do the exact opposite. Madalas kasi yung mga policies na "inclusive" at "for equality" pag inisip mo, special treatment naman nangyayari. Maybe make this additional 2 days/ month leave generic, like mental health leave or something.
Sa lalaki meron din dapat "dinatnan ng kakupalan" days
Pwede din yung "dinatnan ng katamaran" para both genders haha
Need daw ng proof bago i approve. Lemme see your bored face..
Tapos kapag pinakita mo or nag send ka ng pic hindi approved kasi ibig sabihin di ka tinatamad haha
Ohhhh oo nga noh, need pla mag awol, pag sinipag saka n lng mag file haha.
Katamaran leave once every month haha
I know how hard this is for women pero naiisip ko na baka magbackfire din to? Kasi kung specific to women lang to baka makita ng employers to as a reason to hire less women or maybe lower their salaries/offer to offset the extra 24 days off per year?
Karamihan naman sa mga "inclusive" or "equality" policies pag inisip mo, special treatment talaga nangyayari.
Same cents. On a business standpoint, owners would tend to hire less women because why would they hire someone whom they pay in full but renders service less. But yeah, FUCK CAPITALISM
Kung ikaw ay business woman, tapos paid yung "menstruation leave" per month... mag ha hire kapa ba ng mga babae? tanong lang para sa mga girls... no hate
I can hear Sergio Ortiz-Luis raging kasi napakadami na daw leave and di naman daw need yan
Thats 24 days of paid leave a year. Im a woman and I'm in favor of this but it's gonna have a material financial impact on businesses.
Yes, and allow a work-from-home option when feeling under the weather.
Good idea on paper, but in reality this would cause more inequality when it comes to hiring women. Kase naman if you have 2 days of leave per month and maternity leave, as a company you would rather hire a male employee that has no such kind of leaves and paternity leave lasts shorter than mat leave. In short baka instead of matulungan ang ating female workforce lalo pa sila mahirapan maghanap ng trabaho because they would need to do 2x more effort than men to secure a job. It sucks but thats prolly how it would be in practice
what if we start with 1 day LWOP per month available only on the month. this makes it so may choice pa din pumasok if they want and opt to bear the thing i think for stuff like this we should just place emphasis on the fact that the condition is at least acknowledged and it's at least better than nothing muna? if anything it's the peace of mind na u can rest worry-free if u want/have to
Bet ko yan. Mas maraming babae ngayon ang nag su-suffer ng menstruation-related problems. Sa workplace ko before, out of 23 females, 9 ang may myoma/dysmenorrhea/endometriosis/cysts, including myself. 2 ang wala nang matris. Di ko alam bakit prevalent na ito ngayon.
Yeah, as much as I agree, they shouldn't specify "menstrual leave" it is discriminatory, should be tagged as "Wellness or flexible days" instead where anyone can use it depending on their own personal situation.
Pag naipasa yan wag na mag reklamo mga babae kung ang preferred employees lalo na sa mga pabrika ay lalake.
Which is why SOGIE bill is important as well to avoid this kind of discrimination. Also, rather than say "wag na mag reklamo mga babae", samahan mo sa laban kesa sa mag invalidate ng concerns jfc.
Some people reply like that to incite discussions, tbh. I admit, magaspang din ako mag-reply sometimes to get a point across.
"Wag magreklamo?" Why not? When that's blatant gender discrimination based on gender?
That law is not well thought off. Think deeper kung hindi kaya ba i-weaponize yan ng mga employers.
I know what you mean, which is sad but true. Regardless, it doesn't give us any right to invalidate women's right to "Complain" or criticize when it happens. Very invalidating.
Sinabi ko lang lahat para wala nang discussion, yun opposite pala ang effect. Sarcastic kasi talaga ang tone ko usually. Invalidating ang batas. I am just voicing out an inconvenient truth.
you have been downvoted for a valid statement. eh sa totoo namang mangyayari iyan. problema sa ibang tao dito, they cannot take an honest and real statement.
Marami lang talaga dito ignorante sa realidad. Hindi kasi lahat nakaranas mapunta sa operations, nightmare sa scheduling ng isang operation yang panukala lalo na kung 24/7 operation. Parang whack a mole pag tapal sa manpower.
Although the premise is valid, very invalidating ang manner of expression, rude pa nga eh. Rather than say "wag na mag reklamo mga babae", better sana na i-promote ang solidarity sa struggle of workplace inequality
Its sounds rude because its I am citing a rude reality na ang law na yan parang wolf in sheep's clothing. Kunwari pambabae pero discriminatory talaga. Advance kasi ako mag isip na mag cheer mga feminists nyan. Lalo na yung mga mababaw lang mag isip at mag jump agad sa bandwagon.
Parang harsh truth e no? But truth need not be harsh. Truths can be said in a more empathic manner.
The truth has to be firm because the real world is harsh. This is the reality that parents shield kids.
Firmness and empathy is a false dichotomy. Solidarity is a strong tool that should be taught to people rather than be divisive.
Solidarity is not making feminist laws that companies can weaponize against women. This law is bad for everyone. I will say how I want to say it and I am willing to accept the consequences of my words. People are only trying to be nice on Reddit because of karma. Just saying.
Bakit parang sa babae nyo isisisi eh kung hindi sana kami naghihirap para magcommute araw-araw ng 2-3 hrs aba'y sana hindi na siguro malaking problema yan. Lalaki ka kasi siguro kaya ganyan ka mag-isip, siguro kung lalaki na kayang magbuntis baka isang taon pa nga yung magiging maternity leave nyo eh. Tyaka ano naman kung valid ang statement, hanggang duon na lang at wala nang idaragdag sa usapan kung alam naman nating lahat na ganyan naman trato sa mga babae kahit saan, nakakasawa na talaga yung mga may masabi lang.
nasaan naman ang sinisisi ang mga babae? the poster just stated na fact na malamang sa malamang, lalong mahihirapan ang mga babae na makakuha ng work if maipatupad iyan. i am all for it as i understand what women go through every month. ang nakikita at pinipilit nyo lang kasi, is ganun dapat. but let us be real. employers run businesses and they prefer continuity sa negosyo, which is just understable only if you also look at the other side. if they have a choice, syempre lalaki ang kukunin nila para nga naman walang patid ang trabaho. ngayon, masama ba yun? choice mong maniwala na hindi dapat ganun. choice din naman nila to prioritize their business first. not that i am siding with them, pero can we blame them?
Dapat kasi sugar coated pagkasabi para Hindi ma offend si ma’am sir
I guess you got a point, I just took your statement on a reactionary manner, kasi parang papunta na sa paninisi yung ibang nagcocomment dito. Pero kung mangyari man na may mga kumpanya na lalaki na lang ang ihahire ng mga kumpanya na naghahire ng mga babae noon (kung mapasa man yung panukala) I guess I'll just choose to boycott them. Pero in a bigger picture sana hindi mapasa to, sa totoo lang nabwibwiset na rin ako sa dagdag problema ng mga kababaihan, ang dami-daming ibang pwedeng ipanukala napasama pa ito para sa mga ipaglalaban ng mga kababaihan, ganung hindi namn pagleave ang solusyon.
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Bakit parang kasalanan namin na may gumawa at nagpasa ng ganyang bill?
Kasalanan ng lawmaker yan. Palibhasa hindi naka experience na magtrabaho.
Totoo naman to e. Bakit dinadownvote.
Coz women empowerment
Because toxic feminists. Genuine women empowerment is never toxic.
Magagalit sila
Bato bato sa langit ang tinamaan magagalit. hahaha
I will get downvoted but More reasons for employers not to hire women I think.
As long as it's without pay no problem. I'm not paying staff to stay home, sorry I needto make money so I will use that money to employ a casual to cover off the menstruating staff
Calling leaves with different names invites discrimination. It’s just a sick leave. What should be changed is requiring someone to get a medical certificate for an illness that does not require consult. Nagiging reason pa to fake med certs which I see a lot of. In my opinion, it should be required for absences for more than 3 consecutive days.
Ganyan naman sa decent companies, hindi pa ako nakakapag bigay ng medcert para sa SL sa buong buhay ko. But yes, it should be written sa labor laws natin. Just add more sick leaves. And get rid of all these labels. Lahat naman yan health related.
Paano magkaka equality ang babae at lalaki kung gagawa ng batas base sa pagkakaiba ng genders? Lol Meron namang sick leave eh di kung di kaya mag sick leave. Pero ilang dekada na ba non issue toh? Ibig sabihin kaya ng babae. Hindi weak. Hindi kailangan ng special treatment. Kung isulong niyo toh mas bibigyan niyo ng resentment ang lalaki sa babae. Lol
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Here’s an idea: why don’t employers just design work so that people don’t have to deal with the stress that comes with commuting on top of regular stressors like menstruation?
I think kapag napasa to positive lang to for females na meron ng work. Yung mga naghahanap palang ng work ang mahihirapan.
I fear that this law could introduce invisible discrimination, like women being passed off from promotions, and it would be very hard to prove discrimination is taking place.
this will produce discrimination in hiring. like my current manager doesn't want to hire women apparently because of the possibility na manganak and the maternity leave
This thread is depressing. As someone who has secondary dysmenorrhea, I usually request to work from home or in worst months, take a sick leave. I can barely sit up from the pain, and I take pain meds like they’re candies because this lasts for about 2 weeks. Isang araw lang usually ang pinapaalam ko, on the worst day, pero ramdam ko na others don’t really understand it or don’t really care. Even if my bosses and colleagues say it’s okay, I know that they might be thinking na I’m overreacting (at least based on their reaction). Reading the comments here is sort of a proof of that.
Naiiyak na 'yung mga lalaki. 😭
I don’t think so, if menstrual leave is a guaranteed leave 24 days a year (and is paid separately from sick leave), expect employers to start finding more reasons to hire men. Productivity and profit are their main priorities
San yung Headache leave ko?!
Tindi ng mga mambabatas sa atin. Why not think of ways to be competitive. If I'm a foreign investor where will I go? Dami na nga holiday Pati Regla bakasyon pa din?
Pano yun mga lalaki na sumasalo sa topak ng mga babae kasi meron sila ? Wala bang mental leave ?
My company just offers up to 2 weeks paid mental health leave that can be taken up for 1-2 days only. I think this would be similar no?
By this point they should just shorten the workweek to 4 days. Everyone benefits. Less commuting, longer time to rest, improved mental/physical health, longer leisure time.
Life is a privilege. During recruitment/hiring process everyone is given equal oppurtunity regardless of their gender and status in life. Dinidisregard nila kung ano man yung personal challenges natin and sa interview inaassure natin sa employer na di makakaapekto sa work natin ung mga ganyang bagay. Marami naman nang binigay na mga privileges pra sa mga employees (maternity leave, solo parent etc), i aggree with others about adding mental health leave and not this gender specific one.
Let's see kung mapapanukala nga yan. Malaki ang pwedeng mawala sa mga companies dahil diyan. Magiging hesitant din ang mga employers na maghire ng female applicants kung ganito.
Somewhere down the line, someone will eventually call some shit about this. How dare you not include me in this law, I identify as a women and therefore should be included! The law specifically says "menstruating women" it did not single out anyone. You could be a women but not menstrual and therefore not be included. You could be a geriatric woman who no longer menstruates and you won't get covered by this law. Better make this law cover everyone unless you want someone to spark something and not get things done. I am a man, I identify as a Panda, and I am in favor of this for our women. Anyone not in favor to this has definitely not worked with a gentle and soft spoken boss turn demonspawn just because something goes wrong and she got her period at the same time. Let her stay at home and annoy her husband or partner instead.
1 a week jak*l leave for men? Iwas rapists
Pag lalaki Ejaculation leave
Tangna kalokohan yan. Sayang productivity
Puro mahihirapan maghire sa mga babae comments, kala mo naman business owners/hr lol charot
Prostate leave din...
Post-nut leave. Gotta get that life force back somehow.
dapat meron di sa lalaki, menstrual leave kapag meron yung asawa dahil napagbubuntungan ng galit. bawas stress ba
Why not add paid horny days off for men too. Don’t have to work if you’re paid to jack off.
Pakipanukala din po ng 10 min tikol break every workday para sa mga me manoy.
Marami na masyadong leave in one year. Aabusuhin lang yan as usual. WAG NA!
Pabor
meron bang ang "dami ko ng OT sunod sunod na araw araw at linggo linggo pagpahingahin nyo naman ako" leave?
more discrimination lang to.
Legitimate systemic discrimination.
365 days leave per year na lang para masaya.
Parang mas productive ang Four-day work week. Try to imagine na lahat ng empleyado mo babae tapos nagkataon na sabay sabay sila nagkaroon ng menstruation. Or yung isang female employee mo is vital sa day to day operations ng small company.
Pano na yung.mga menopause
The analogy of sepulchre..this proposal looks nice outside but rotten inside..
why not add wellness leaves for everyone nalang. My current company has wellness holidays, 4 as isang taon, where the whole company takes an off day pero paid lahat.
sa ibang bansa meron nyan dito lang wala satin.
hindi ba mahihirapan lang na ma hire ang mga babae? i know may industry na kaya tong ibigay pero mas malaki yata yung percentage ng industry na kailangan talaga yung manpower... restaurants, factories, sales reps etc sa case ko lang as an employer na may small business na hindi afford mag hire ng sobra sobra para sa biglaang absent, laging masisira ang scheduling ng shifts at pasok on a monthly basis... dahil hindi naman eksaktong 28days yung menstruation... meron iregular etc... biglang kulang ako ng tao for 2 days, pano kung key position pa sya, pano kung meron din nangailangan ng leave dahil emergency etc? kung dagdagan ang leave, pero planned, wala naman problema... pero kung monthly na biglaan? ang hirap isipan ng solusyon maliban sa wag mag hire ng babae... hindi ba nila pag iisipan man lang kung pano bibigyan din ng leave yung pagbabayad ko ng sangkaterbang tax at renta... kahit 2 days lang din every other month...
Inb4 companies requiring med certs (pinas lang uso 'to afaik) for every time a woman gets her period
Strange how some people in here equate menstruation with male masturbation. 🤦🏻♀️
2 days lang? Not enough
Knowing how some of our lawmakers minds "work", baka may magpropose ng 1 day masturbation leave for single men.