Motherfuckers trying to get away with bullshit. They are trying to fleece everyone around them.
Give it to them they’ll try to claim another territory. Who knows, maybe Palawan is next
China doesn't want it's global power rival to have the ability to blockade the Malacca straits and the Taiwan strait and cut off 70% of its energy imports in case of hostilities. It doesn't have to be so nebulous as the century of humiliation, theyre a rising power trying to 'clear' their near foreign areas of foreign powers. The US did it with the Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary, the Germans tried in WWI and failed with the battle of Jutland, Russia is trying and struggling in Ukraine. It's what large powers do and historically have always attempted to do.
Understandable. But if China wasn't being such an ass, it could've much more easily swayed its neighbors to drop the US, or at least not maintain the first island chain.
But no.... For comparison... NATO was almost kaput if Russia didn't get militarily involved with Georgia and Ukraine.
There were better ways to secure the Malacca straits. China chose the worst.
> it could've much more easily swayed its neighbors to drop the US,
Really unlikely. On one hand you've got Vietnam who has a very clear eyed view that they don't want a suzerain that is that close, and have like a thousand years of history as evidence for why that's a bad thing.
On the other hand you've got a country with 100+ years of history with its former colonizer, a shared history of fighting in wars together, a senior military leadership that has almost uniformly gotten it's advanced training in US advanced military institutions, and that has a deeply embedded intertwined and successful diaspora in the US.
As china - to try to counteract this you have no world class soft power cultural industry like Korea or Japan, don't have a soft power national myth that's exportable ("the American dream" still has significant sway despite the real hits it's taken) and your citizens when they travel are despised and considered a nuisance rather than as ambassadors for your country and way of life.
Basically all you have as china trying to swing these countries all you have is money to bribe elites and hope they stay bought and actually deliver (they probably won't, at least half the time they'll take the money and just do nothing while claiming to try to do something).
Starting in 2010 when the Aquino admin came in and started aggressively pursuing it's Hague case, Vietnam starts seeking an alliance with pH and redeveloping cam ranh bay to accommodate carrier groups, and Ph signs EDCA treaty and you figure: "we've probably got 20-30 years tops before the US starts really putting on the clamps on us".
Then 2016 happens, the pandemic happens and the US looks increasingly unpredictable and volatile. It's a fairly reasonable conclusion for them to think "we don't have the time nor the tools to soft power these countries into line"
Fun fact, China could've gotten soft power to rival that of SK and Japan around early 2000's due to some rather well made Chinese media, tv shows, etc., but the communist party being the communist party decided to not export and even ban some of it due to "not adhering strictly to party ideologies". They only recently easing the policy and started doing so but seeing how big Japan's and SK's soft power became, not to mention how much of an ass it has become to its neighbors, forget China's any success of doing so, they only have money left to even make something work. The only mainstream media they can use to really export their softpower are video games/entertainment they made that feature Chinese culture, tradition etc. But even that is outright being fked since no one likes or even knows much of Chinese culture/tradition, hell even a lot of medias that China exports features western, Japan, even SK styles.
To add, a lot of Chinese-made video games and media feature mostly western/Japanese style concepts, and while Chinese media is present, the users don't really pay much attention to it, forcing the companies to dish out more western/japanese style concepts to retain their customers.
They tried a bit with the Jack Ma SEA diplomatic tour but then Xi decided he didn't like him and stepford wifed him lol completely undoing any thing he'd accomplished with his tour
"China doesn't have a soft power national myth that's exportable ("the American dream" still has significant sway despite the real hits it's taken)" Uhmm.... Xi is trying to sell a similar idea called the "China National Dream" or "Chinese Dream" (中國夢) to try impressing people to accept China is the new power of the 21st century.
We're arguing for the same thing. Before Xi, China was in the best position to work on soft power. When I said swaying its neighbors to drop the US, I'm not referring to an overnight matter.
Don't be a dick and work on strengthening economic and cultural ties with your neighbors. It'll take time, but it'll work better than being a dick.
But Xi chose to be a dick.
Sure, Vietnam isn't going to be a simple matter, but you can be friends with everyone else anyway...
All the dickery the US did gets swept under the rug here as there's currently someone trying to be the biggest dick around. Now imagine with China built better ties, emphasized that way before the colonizers came, we were all trading in harmony with them, with deep historical ties and a substantial Filipino-Chinese population. You know, us colonized countries helping each other.
The fun bit is that it's so easy to point to the US now and show what an unreliable ally it is with respect to the Ukraine war. I'd certainly love to have 2 week paid breaks so often!
Also... Mind you, South Korea only became culturally significant not more than than 20 years ago. China could've worked on that as well... But nooooooo....
I'm arguing the opposite, even before Xi they never had the tools to win the PH over soft power wise. Not just the people, many who have fil am relatives, but basically all the elites send their children to the US for school, the AFP has deep deep ties with their pentagon counterparts, DFA is significantly pro -US. Even Dominguez, who was Duterte's finance sec was running around looking for a US buyer when hanjin went belly up.
They simply have never had the tools nor the time to get this done. This would take absolute generations and an absolutely epic fumbling by the US foreign policy *and* security establishment and even still wouldn't be guaranteed. Meanwhile getting US allies off SCS is an existential issue for the Chinese.
China don't need to totally win over PH, just be cordial enough to not help/join US's coalition against them.
You also ignoring the historical Chinese culture already present here, we will be acceptant enough (not the commie bs tho) if they truly and sincerely tried.
>getting US allies off SCS is an existential issue for the Chinese
no, any real significant issue to be a existential crisis for China are gonna be coming from within them. That's why they spend the most at internal policing.
> China don't need to totally win over PH, just be cordial enough to not help/join US's coalition against them.
That's effectively the same thing. The Philippines giving up nearly 80 years of a security arrangement/alliance is never a 'just'. That's a huge ask for a small nation to trade out it's security umbrella from a distant great power in exchange for... What? From china exactly? It'd be the height of idiocy for the ph to do such a thing from a strategic/realpolitik standpoint.
> You also ignoring the historical Chinese culture already present here, we will be acceptant enough (not the commie bs tho) if they truly and sincerely tried.
Have you seen how people look at mainlanders in manila right now and have since they started coming in significant numbers? Just because of their behavior? Not even because of SCS shit? People here don't like them.
> no, any real significant issue to be a existential crisis for China are gonna be coming from within them. That's why they spend the most at internal policing.
You can have more than a single existential threat to your nation. A USN blockade of energy imports to china's east coast cities would absolutely be existential to China and CCP's rule.
this blockade they fear should be done as a consequence of their actions in the region. Can the UN put in a sanction for this bully-country?? they don't recognize international laws and all, so teach them a lesson they will remember. They are already disgraced by their attitude towards the world. the world should unite against them. i'll just pray ww3 won't happen with my idea.
> Can the UN put in a sanction for this bully-country?
No they're on the security council as a permanent member.
> i'll just pray ww3 won't happen with my idea.
If the US just suddenly blockaded china that would be an act of war and yes, would immediately signal ww3 unless they stopped.
US is already blockading them. Look at how China is reacting everytime the US have a what they call safe passage on the international waters which china is claiming a part of the nine dash line
Might as well ask the UN to sanction the US for the War in Iraq. Great Powers play by Great Power rules, not international law. As a UNSC permanent member, China can veto any sanction that comes its way unlike the Philippines and as such, unless other great powers choose to intervene, China can basically do whatever it wants. Just take a look at how the US has managed to protect Israel from any international pressure for an example. As long as China or Russia do not intervene, no one can stop Israel
It's honestly an excuse at this point, an easy to reference thing to drive up nationalism. Makes you wonder how insecure the party (or probably the central committee and Xi) is if they have to resort to that.
The CCP rule is secure most especially around 2008. They fumbled the ball with their "growth" mindset. Kelangan may growth lagi kaya puro condo construction nalang.
>I guess they are avenging for that Century of Humiliation.
Kung ganyan "excuse" nila para mang bully then those CCP mofos can fuck off! Hindi dahil na-experience nila yang "Century of Humiliation" nilang yan ay scot-free na nilang pwedeng gawin mga kagaguhang ginagawa nila!
What?! Palagi nalang "pa-victim" pero sila nangbibiktima! At bakit nila pinupunterya Pinas at ibang mga former colonies(i.e. Vietnam, India) kung gusto nilang i-"avenge" Century of Humiliation nila! Kung ganon, hope those fuckers experience a second age of humiliation!
What's hilarious is that the Century of Humiliation could've been prevented had they been more open to adopting modern, industrial Western (and arguably even Middle Eastern, perhaps specifically Ottoman) technology and arms rather than closing themselves off because "rah rah we are celestial empire we got everything we don't want barbarian technology eme eme" so when the first Opium War came they brought fucking muskets from the 1600s to an 1800s rifle fight
Aside from that, they failed to see the European colonial expansion as a warning sign that they would come for the Chinese empire, and the Japanese invasion under Hideyoshi as a warning sign that they'd go for round 2. They had a massive fleet under the Ming famously led by Admiral Zheng He but they scuttled it.
Oh and the imperial court were just corrupt and incompetent af lol. mere months before the Japanese invaded Shandong and Taiwan in the 1890s they actually had [one of the strongest and most modern warship fleets](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beiyang_Fleet) in the world on paper and were actually on the way to becoming a force to be reckoned with matching some bureaucrat convinced the Emperor to redirect funding kasi hindi daw threat yung mga Hapon hahaha.
So yeah in short sure the colonizers were wrong to attack, but China themselves deserve to be slammed for failing to take responsibility for their own security and basically ignore massive red flags from the European colonial powers and Japan even when they were plastered directly on their faces. It's classical "middle kingdom" "mandate of heaven" [Hua-Yi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hua%E2%80%93Yi_distinction) hubris.
Of course the ultranationalists ignore this lol. I bet these fuckers would bring a broomstick to an ICBM WW3 scenario just to spite the "Western/Japanese imperialists"
I would argue that qing dynasty wasn't han Chinese. The qing court based in the north was corrupt as fuck while some of the southern areas embraced trade and openness.
Huh, kinda explains why Sun Yat-sen and other revolutionaries came from the South hahaha
Oh and uh that one dude who claimed to be God's little brother
You can thank Deng Xiopeng for the reforms (except the Tiannamen Square Protests). Then it all came tumbling back down again ever since Xi Jinping gathered enough power to centralize power again.
That's the excuse, but xi is being a dick. The 2008 Olympics was a resounding success and it makes pundits like Gordon Chang look like fools with their success.
Matagal na nilang propaganda to really spread out and dominate and any ways that they could possibly do, kahit check nyo lang 60 Minutes Australia (YT News channel), ang dami na nilang coverage regarding China kung paano sila slowly but surely crippling into other territories mapamukha lang nila na "lowkey" may assertion dominance silang ginagawa.
Pinaka recent is nagi install sila na ng "official" Chinese Police stations all across other countries, but the thing is - never naging allowed to - nag pinag pipilitan nilang may 'authority and permit' sila to do so kahit ayaw nila sabihin kung nasaan mga yun sa mga ibang bansa.
College grads nila dun walang mapasukang trabaho, crops are bad, and their women don't wanna go get married and be preggo no matter how much PRC beg them which threatens their future supply of the workforce.
> their women don't wanna go get married and be preggo
It's a phenomenon of pushback against raising a family happening across East Asia, including ours (and this subreddit), mainly due to rising costs of living.
Goes deeper than that in China. Their abortions are sex-based. Females are more likely to be aborted over there. Also, they have the concept of "left-over women" that says once a woman pushes thirty, she's damaged goods/not fresh. Chinese men have been slowly outnumbering women in the past decades or so.
Here in the Philippines, poverty is a common argument and not a state-sanctioned sexism. Not saying we are perfect in terms of gender equality but no one or no group here will openly go to a plaza, put up posters of their below 30's unmarried daughters, and "sell" them to grouchy Chinese bachelors who are all lacking in social skills.
China argued it never started a conflict when 1950 KR, 1962 IN, 1979 VN, 2012 PH and 2012 JP
which wouldn't have had happened if they just knew how to stfu and stopped being a jerk.
It’s happening since Pandemic. Sobrang mura kasi labor ng China talaga compare saten. Most companies are moving to Vietnam and India. Pero dahil sa trilateral meeting, there might be a silver wind blowing to Ph.
Because their natural resources can't support their massive population, they have to LEECH off of every nation's sea to suck ALL fishes, clams and other edible seafoods they can catch. Their fishermen can be seen as far as Argentina's waters.
America in the past used to get away with supporting various dictators (ie. Pinochet, Marcos, etc.), but with the power of the internet the leadership of the US is more scrutinized by the public on their actions (see Israel right now, if this was the 70s-90s it would be so easy to sweep it under the rug).
This is just something to get their population united. PRC had a lot of recent economic setbacks and are using this to ensure their population doesn't get angry at the ruling party.
China has an excess single but unemployed males in their 30s, 40s, and 50s that could be used as cannon fodder in a WWIII scenario with the US and I won't be surprised if Xi Jinping ignites WWIII by attacking the Philippines, just to get rid of their excess single but unemployed male population.
Boots on ground ng PLA dito sa pilipinas and amphibious warfare? They can try pero it will be a challenge in a unprecedented magnitude dahil they have to establish a complete dominance over the airspace, sea and undersea. Though i have doubts sa ating sandatahang lakas, i can tell that we can push them back sa dagat dahil magagaling at may experience ang ating mga sundalo. Sure, they have ship base missile system and ballistic missiles from mainland at sa mga man made islands nila sa spratly but they cannot and will not deplete their stockpile dahil hindi lang tayo ang magiging kaaway nila mayroon pang mas importanteng target for their missiles.
>China has an excess single but unemployed males in their 30s, 40s, and 50s that could be used as cannon fodder
It's been speculated that China only has until 2030 to retake Taiwan and have any chance of going toe-to-toe with the US and allies, precisely because of this. Their combat-ready population had already peaked and they won't have the same capability again for the foreseeable future.
The more China delays retaking Taiwan, the more it will escalate into full-blown WWII by invading, Japan, Philippines, and Taiwan at once by the 2030s.
I don't want to be a fearmonger but I have a sinking feeling that our generation will see war, maybe even a World War, in the next 10 years. Since 2021, China had noticeably ramped up aggression with Taiwan—China routinely flies quick scouting missions inside Taiwan's airspace, basically probing their air defense systems, but 2021 saw a marked increase in those micro-aggressions, even reaching up to the hundreds per day. The US had been rushing to build TSMC (Taiwan Semi-conductor Manufacturing Company—the world's biggest and probably most important company in terms of technology) foundries in US soil, something that is unprecedented since Taiwan had previously been very insistent with their foundries being all home-based. This is probably for the best since the entire world relies on TSMC for their microchips, even China, and an attack on Taiwan can put the entire world's tech industry at peril. This will inevitably hurt China too, but the ruling government can't let their dwindling opportunity to finally retake Taiwan pass. All the investments and steps they've taken with regards to WPS for the past decade will all be for naught if they don't attack Taiwan. This decade is now or never for them.
Ceding to China like what the DDS and pro-China Filipinos want to "avoid" war will actually accelerate that timetable and make war more of a certainty as China will have the 1st island chain under their control giving them access to the Pacific.
China annexing the Philippines will definitely escalate things, since the peace between China and the US/Taiwan alliance right now is only possible via a proverbial Mexican standoff. See, China is surrounded by a chain of US-affiliated countries that can effectively blockade China at the first sign of trouble, and is basically the major thing stopping Chinese aggression since a US-led blockade can strangle the Chinese economy quicker than any Chinese counterattack short of a nuclear warhead, and that's just during peacetime. Do that during wartime and China will be fighting a lost war before they even shoot their first shot. We're a part of that chain, and this chain is only as effective as it's individual links. Take one country off that chain, especially the Philippines, possibly the most strategic link in that chain (because we're in the middle of everything else; plus Taiwan will be stuck between two enemies if the Philippines defect to China's side—the Philippines will become the main staging ground fending off reinforcements from the allied navies while China drags Taiwan to a back-alley beating) and blockading will be impossible, meaning the Chinese navy can effectively run rampant on SEA and the Pacific without effective opposition, or at least any major disadvantages. Without the threat of a blockade, China can at least mount an amphibious invasion of Taiwan before having to worry about fighting off US or allied forces. They may still lose, but Taiwan is too valuable to US interest to even risk being attacked because TSMC foundries are likely targets for an attack, especially if the Chinese situation becomes desperate, and the world relies on those foundries to remain operational lest we take a massive hit in tech development—think the pandemic was already a sucky time to buy PC parts? Imagine if that microchip shortage becomes a full-on microchip famine, not to mention a lot of military tech that the world's biggest militaries rely on to fight their wars rely on a steady supply of microchips that rely on TSMC manufacturing. So an explicitly Chinese-controlled Philippines? That might just push the US to a desperate position enough to escalate things.
All in all, as I've been saying since PRRD and the DDS had been spouting their bullshit "neutral stance" propaganda, the Philippines have the unenviable position of being fucked either way in this possible war. Siding with China will put us in the frontlines of the war, and it's not gonna be any different with the US either. Our geographic location is too strategic to have any hopes for neutrality, and that should be common sense and all too familiar of a situation for us since that's the entire reason why Japan attacked and occupied us during WW2 in the first place. They didn't want a Filipino colony, they just wanted to make sure the US navy can't blockade their supply lines nor harass them on their backs while they plunder Indonesia and Malaysia of the resources they need. I'm hope I don't sound too crazy when I say I've had nightmares of waking up to us being nuked by China since the WPS issue came up and I researched enough to learn what the real issue is about it. China might just get desperate enough to make us a non-issue in the event of a Sino-American war.
May dispute din yang china against Russia sa may bandang border nila. lamang ang Russia dito kasi may direct energy weapon sila na makakapag induce ng Havana syndrome.
Its a result of the Century of Humiliation and the persistent view of China as the "Middle Kingdom." Even if its not the CCP that rules over China, the ROC would treat itself as though it was surrounded on all sides.
Thats how China saw itself then ever since its inception, thats how China will ever see itself in the future.
Sort of like Japan in late 1930s. The USA tried to strangle them with sanctions and oil restrictions to slow down their expansion... It was a hard time after that.
The US embargoed Japan because they were committing atrocities in china. If they hadn't been committing very visible mass slaughter and rape across Chinese cities, the US probably would've just kept trading with them.
The brutality of the Second Sino Japanese War was so horrific that many historians believe that full reconciliation between the two nations is impossible within the next few decades.
Propaganda lang yan, pero sila naman talaga ang mahilig mang harass ng maliit bansa gamit yung nakaw na military weapons. Masasabi mo ba kawawa ang nagbabanta na idadaan sa gulo ang pagkuha sa Taiwan? Ang CCP ay gusto mag expand at palawakin ang influence nito.
Kaya yung buong WPS inaangkin nila gamit yung naval supremacy nila. Gusto rin bawas-bawasan din ng CCP ang ibang teritoryo sa India.
Payag ba kayo sa hinaharap na kontrolado kayo ng isang komunistang bansa?
I've been suspecting this for quite some time now, and it's that the China of today is following the footsteps of Imperial Japan of old, essentially touting itself as the new "defender of Asia" against the West (and pro-Western states in the region).
And what could possibly go wrong with that?
Di ba nga, meron silang “Belt and Road Initiative” sabi nila for the purpose of better connectivity to lift people out of poverty. But in reality, it’s being built for their intent to dominate the world. Sabi sa conspiracy theories.
Debunked na ung debt trap diplomacy. But its complicated. China doesn't deliberately engage it those pero once you default mas grave ung consequences.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/
Even this research paper says it
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337816614_A_critical_look_at_Chinese_'debt-trap_diplomacy'_the_rise_of_a_meme
https://www.bu.edu/gdp/2023/04/20/demystifying-chinese-overseas-lending-and-development-finance-why-china-became-the-worlds-largest-official-bilateral-lender/
tignan mo Pakistan ngayon, dahil sa pautang nila sa China. Lumaki inflation, economic collapse, political instability, violence all across the country.
The CCP is brainwashing its citizens that other countries are being “hostile” towards China. This will allow the government to recruit more troops and justify the war effort against the whole region.
Sa kaka overthink ni Weenie the Pooh nagiging aggresibo sya sa atin. Sana magkatotoo yang kanyang mga sinasabi. Sana gangbangin ng ibat ibang bansa yang China na yan katulad ng ginawa ng mga hapon sa kanila during WWII whahahahaha
This is why impossible na makipag "Giyera" ang China sa atin. Ang dami niyang kaaway sa Asia putek pag naag focus sa isa malamang i te take advantage yan ng ibang bansa na yurakin sila.
Wrong map of India , china and Pakistan have been a pain in the ass since independence..... taking over kashmir (like Israel did, search for kashmiri pandit genocide) current situation is that India vs Pakistan and China might be closer....so maybe ww3 , China is a asshole
China is still obsessed with their supremacy way back when the dynasties where still a thing. Even the 9 dash line they are using right now is in support of this. That these islands were orignally theirs and were "stolen" from them
Mas malaki problema ng vietnam sa kanila kesa sa atin. Imagine ultimo US na nakalaban nila sa Vietnam War mas "gusto" pa nila kesa sa kapitbahay nilang China.
I feel it's going to be over soon. If they somehow manage to occupy the Philippines, for one, Chinese-Filipino businessmen are never going to surrender their wealth to them, as per the Mainland's communist mandate. Plus they're going to have to deal with the Terrorists of Mindanao, basically these two forces are enough to bite them in the ass like two rabid dogs.
As for Luzon, idk, my mom's mindanaoan, and i live here, anyway. no amount of kung-fu(gaslighting and reverse psychology) will make them survive a day here in this country with her.
We just have our own shenanigans for these fascists to deal with, Just as America has shenanigans of their own. Would be fun to see them try to take over and "defend themselves from bullying countries by invading them."
Philippines is probably last on the list of countries they want to take over entirely, if there really is a list of such countries they want to beyond Taiwan. Why on earth would they want a headache like that, the Philippines is not very resource rich (unless it is confirmed there are oil reserves in its EEZ, which has not yet happened and is speculative) and the people will not make good subjects and provide not much more value in GDP than we generate now, which by Asian standards ain't much at all.
They may however invade to take over shoals and parts of the EEZ, especially if these are found to have a lot of oil. But with the accelerating move to alternate energy sources this will become less and less of a reason but the primary reason remains. That of assuring their access to sea lanes and to prevent a blockade.
Xi Jin Ping is desperate to leave a legacy that's why China is trying to poke its neighbors. CCP's grand plan is to retake Taiwan before 2049, but with the way everyone is trying to push back against the aggression, I don't think they can pull it off.
If only China was contented with its increasing prosperity and power due to being the factory of the world and trust of world business to manufacture their products and be an agent of peace in the world as peace brings properity then it would not be in its present predicament. When you bully you lose the confidence of the world. Nobody likes bullies. The problem with China is it only thinks about China and does not have any other principles. Thus their ambition was world dominance not interdependence and Peace. US and Western World aims global peace and prosperity and democracy and human rights. When you have principles then you dont need to bully.
Like Stocks, if you lose confidence you will lose money and friends.
Short description of China's beef with some Asian countries:
China and Japan is both powerful countries lock on struggle for foreign influence since ancient times. China send soldiers to fight for North Korea on its attempt to invade South Korea during the Korean war. China and Taiwan both claim to be the true China. China invade Vietnam in 1979. China invade India in 1962. The reason why China is having a hard times replicating US strong global influence is because unlike US bordering two friendly nations and access to two ocean Chinese movement of trades and military assets can be easily restricted by small but capable countries. This is why China is trying its lucks through Central Asia and Africa
China be arguing that the world is big and US can surely accommodate their influence. I agree, the world is big. But the problem is they want to spread on countries that are allied to US, and that is surely a posing a threat to the US.
I think this speaks to China's paranoia. Coz there was a time when China was actually peaceful (just a tiny bit) when Deng Xiaoping became the general secretary and started the equivalent of Destalinization but with Mao Zedong. China did great business in the 80's with the Western order especially USA. American companies actually moved their factories in China because they offered cheap labor. This what allowed cities like Shanghai to basically flourish.
But then Xi Jinping came and started pushing Chinese nationalism. It kind of saw American influences encroaching over their sphere from the Pacific regions. That's why you see it allying with Russia (albeit very uneasy), they want to counteract what they see as a very Western-led order. Although this came at a cost. As you can see, they started antagonizing just about everyone.
They started pushing the nine-dash line which pissed off Vietnam, Malaysia, and us, Philippines. They kept harassing Taiwan and now Taiwan is pushing for their own independence as a sovereign nation. The beef with Japan is understandable given Japan has done some unspeakable things to China during WWII and hasn't apologized over it (which has been sort of washed off by the West but we should never forget the various atrocities Japan did in WWII). The Sino-Indian beef goes way back to the 60's when China started claiming the regions of Aksai Chin in Kashmir and the state of Arunachal Pradesh. Even though India and China has economic relations, this territorial dispute does rub between the two governments. With South Korea, i really don't know because the Koreans and Chinese does do business with one another. My guess is that North Korea because China provides help to them and is an ally. With Thailand, I am completely in the dark so do let me know.
Funny thing is China's paranoia is what led to this nations antagonizing China. China was trying so hard to exert their influence aggressively. Now, most of those countries have aligned themselves with USA. Even Vietnam who was an enemy of USA in the Vietnam War has now also allied with USA. Their own paranoia has led them to this situation.
It's just the Tragedy of Great Power politics playing out in real-time in our day. Something that has happened hundreds of times before between hundreds of different nations and fiefdom.
The #1 is threatened by #2 and so the result is #3.. War.
Pa victim na naman ang mga communist, eh kung naging mabuti silang kapit bahay di sana ganyan ang sitwasyon sa asia, di man nila aminin pero meron pa rin silang imperial mentality at superiority complex.
But the truth is that they are. They might not be surrounded by military enemies but in the world of globalization, they are surrounded by economic competitors. The problem with China is that they werent satisfied being a second world country.
In a world dominated by the US, everyone else will be delegated to being second class countries since the US is an economic blackhole that will suck all growth into it. A lot of countries have accepted that but it seems some like China and Russia are not happy with that arrangement.
The fault lies two ways, first with the US for fostering a capitalistic system that respects and chases growth instead a more anthropocentric system. The second fault lies with China for not wanting to allow the US to keep doing it.
It's not just China and Russia, but all of BRICS for the reason you mentioned. Us dollar hegemony has transferred productive capacity from the rest of the world to America and it also allowed America to export its problems overseas, causing destabilization.
Then there's Saudi Arabia, another favorite target of America's human rights campaigns. They see the writing on the wall that being a resource behemoth is no longer enough when America is becoming less reliant on that resource and it's now high time it trade directly in other currencies which led to it abandoning it's exclusive petrodollar scheme.
Over the last few decades there has been accelerating trend to reducing US Dollar dominance in trade. It has not yet reached the tipping point but once it does reserve currency status can fade quickly within years, especially if the new currency is multilateral and better managed than the dollar.
Right. If only China followed Confucius teaching - Do not do unto others what you dont want others to do to you. Then China and the world are still enjoying globalization.
The sudden death of Li Keqiang, Xi Jinping's rival, last year has also been mysterious. CCP is doing everything even to silence its own members who they perceive as "enemies".
This is what happens when one makes enemies out of everyone, tapos pavictim pa sila na surrounded by enemies daw kuno
*"if everyone around you is an asshole, there's a pretty big chance that maybe YOU ARE the asshole"*
"If everywhere you go smells like shit, maybe smell your own shoes"
Or amuyin mo brip mo, baka di mo lang napansin. Lol
Wolf Warrior Diplomacy’s end result will be PROC’s fall or embarrassment.
more like chow-chow dog show
They should just become North Taiwan already.
Most of us are friends to all. But China said, "Nah" 👿
Motherfuckers trying to get away with bullshit. They are trying to fleece everyone around them. Give it to them they’ll try to claim another territory. Who knows, maybe Palawan is next
THIS. Just because gawain mo doesn't mean gawain na ng iba.
China used to be a diplomatic darling 15 to 20 years ago. I guess they are avenging for that Century of Humiliation.
and with their actions today, it sounds like they want another century
Lucky for them I'm feeling a bit generous
We really need a sequel to that if they don't stop their expansionist bullshit.
Well said
Give them two.
China doesn't want it's global power rival to have the ability to blockade the Malacca straits and the Taiwan strait and cut off 70% of its energy imports in case of hostilities. It doesn't have to be so nebulous as the century of humiliation, theyre a rising power trying to 'clear' their near foreign areas of foreign powers. The US did it with the Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary, the Germans tried in WWI and failed with the battle of Jutland, Russia is trying and struggling in Ukraine. It's what large powers do and historically have always attempted to do.
Understandable. But if China wasn't being such an ass, it could've much more easily swayed its neighbors to drop the US, or at least not maintain the first island chain. But no.... For comparison... NATO was almost kaput if Russia didn't get militarily involved with Georgia and Ukraine. There were better ways to secure the Malacca straits. China chose the worst.
> it could've much more easily swayed its neighbors to drop the US, Really unlikely. On one hand you've got Vietnam who has a very clear eyed view that they don't want a suzerain that is that close, and have like a thousand years of history as evidence for why that's a bad thing. On the other hand you've got a country with 100+ years of history with its former colonizer, a shared history of fighting in wars together, a senior military leadership that has almost uniformly gotten it's advanced training in US advanced military institutions, and that has a deeply embedded intertwined and successful diaspora in the US. As china - to try to counteract this you have no world class soft power cultural industry like Korea or Japan, don't have a soft power national myth that's exportable ("the American dream" still has significant sway despite the real hits it's taken) and your citizens when they travel are despised and considered a nuisance rather than as ambassadors for your country and way of life. Basically all you have as china trying to swing these countries all you have is money to bribe elites and hope they stay bought and actually deliver (they probably won't, at least half the time they'll take the money and just do nothing while claiming to try to do something). Starting in 2010 when the Aquino admin came in and started aggressively pursuing it's Hague case, Vietnam starts seeking an alliance with pH and redeveloping cam ranh bay to accommodate carrier groups, and Ph signs EDCA treaty and you figure: "we've probably got 20-30 years tops before the US starts really putting on the clamps on us". Then 2016 happens, the pandemic happens and the US looks increasingly unpredictable and volatile. It's a fairly reasonable conclusion for them to think "we don't have the time nor the tools to soft power these countries into line"
China's lack of soft power (apart from its industrial base) really frustrates everyone there from leaders to the average citizen.
Fun fact, China could've gotten soft power to rival that of SK and Japan around early 2000's due to some rather well made Chinese media, tv shows, etc., but the communist party being the communist party decided to not export and even ban some of it due to "not adhering strictly to party ideologies". They only recently easing the policy and started doing so but seeing how big Japan's and SK's soft power became, not to mention how much of an ass it has become to its neighbors, forget China's any success of doing so, they only have money left to even make something work. The only mainstream media they can use to really export their softpower are video games/entertainment they made that feature Chinese culture, tradition etc. But even that is outright being fked since no one likes or even knows much of Chinese culture/tradition, hell even a lot of medias that China exports features western, Japan, even SK styles.
China's recent economic rise also led to a huge brain drain of entertainers from the Sinosphere (Taiwan, HK and even Singapore) to the mainland.
And yet those entertainers are singing music that sounds like K-pop and playing in movies that are just worse versions of American films
To add, a lot of Chinese-made video games and media feature mostly western/Japanese style concepts, and while Chinese media is present, the users don't really pay much attention to it, forcing the companies to dish out more western/japanese style concepts to retain their customers.
Hard to export your culture when you spent 50 years destroying it under Mao.
They tried a bit with the Jack Ma SEA diplomatic tour but then Xi decided he didn't like him and stepford wifed him lol completely undoing any thing he'd accomplished with his tour
You don't get softpower why bullying other nations
"China doesn't have a soft power national myth that's exportable ("the American dream" still has significant sway despite the real hits it's taken)" Uhmm.... Xi is trying to sell a similar idea called the "China National Dream" or "Chinese Dream" (中國夢) to try impressing people to accept China is the new power of the 21st century.
We're arguing for the same thing. Before Xi, China was in the best position to work on soft power. When I said swaying its neighbors to drop the US, I'm not referring to an overnight matter. Don't be a dick and work on strengthening economic and cultural ties with your neighbors. It'll take time, but it'll work better than being a dick. But Xi chose to be a dick. Sure, Vietnam isn't going to be a simple matter, but you can be friends with everyone else anyway... All the dickery the US did gets swept under the rug here as there's currently someone trying to be the biggest dick around. Now imagine with China built better ties, emphasized that way before the colonizers came, we were all trading in harmony with them, with deep historical ties and a substantial Filipino-Chinese population. You know, us colonized countries helping each other. The fun bit is that it's so easy to point to the US now and show what an unreliable ally it is with respect to the Ukraine war. I'd certainly love to have 2 week paid breaks so often! Also... Mind you, South Korea only became culturally significant not more than than 20 years ago. China could've worked on that as well... But nooooooo....
I'm arguing the opposite, even before Xi they never had the tools to win the PH over soft power wise. Not just the people, many who have fil am relatives, but basically all the elites send their children to the US for school, the AFP has deep deep ties with their pentagon counterparts, DFA is significantly pro -US. Even Dominguez, who was Duterte's finance sec was running around looking for a US buyer when hanjin went belly up. They simply have never had the tools nor the time to get this done. This would take absolute generations and an absolutely epic fumbling by the US foreign policy *and* security establishment and even still wouldn't be guaranteed. Meanwhile getting US allies off SCS is an existential issue for the Chinese.
China don't need to totally win over PH, just be cordial enough to not help/join US's coalition against them. You also ignoring the historical Chinese culture already present here, we will be acceptant enough (not the commie bs tho) if they truly and sincerely tried. >getting US allies off SCS is an existential issue for the Chinese no, any real significant issue to be a existential crisis for China are gonna be coming from within them. That's why they spend the most at internal policing.
> China don't need to totally win over PH, just be cordial enough to not help/join US's coalition against them. That's effectively the same thing. The Philippines giving up nearly 80 years of a security arrangement/alliance is never a 'just'. That's a huge ask for a small nation to trade out it's security umbrella from a distant great power in exchange for... What? From china exactly? It'd be the height of idiocy for the ph to do such a thing from a strategic/realpolitik standpoint. > You also ignoring the historical Chinese culture already present here, we will be acceptant enough (not the commie bs tho) if they truly and sincerely tried. Have you seen how people look at mainlanders in manila right now and have since they started coming in significant numbers? Just because of their behavior? Not even because of SCS shit? People here don't like them. > no, any real significant issue to be a existential crisis for China are gonna be coming from within them. That's why they spend the most at internal policing. You can have more than a single existential threat to your nation. A USN blockade of energy imports to china's east coast cities would absolutely be existential to China and CCP's rule.
You forgot Japan under the first fist of US with bases in Okinawa and SoKor with US bases there.
They're concerning advanced positions for china but they're not as critical as PH. You can't blockade china from its fuel imports from there.
It is sort of like dejavu for China tho, last time they got invaded was from Japan and Korea lol.
Especially US allies are historically the same countries that invaded them ie. Japan and Korea
this blockade they fear should be done as a consequence of their actions in the region. Can the UN put in a sanction for this bully-country?? they don't recognize international laws and all, so teach them a lesson they will remember. They are already disgraced by their attitude towards the world. the world should unite against them. i'll just pray ww3 won't happen with my idea.
> Can the UN put in a sanction for this bully-country? No they're on the security council as a permanent member. > i'll just pray ww3 won't happen with my idea. If the US just suddenly blockaded china that would be an act of war and yes, would immediately signal ww3 unless they stopped.
too bad there is nothing in the world, anyone can do to discipline the CCP (i dont want to blame them as a whole). sigh 😞
US is already blockading them. Look at how China is reacting everytime the US have a what they call safe passage on the international waters which china is claiming a part of the nine dash line
Might as well ask the UN to sanction the US for the War in Iraq. Great Powers play by Great Power rules, not international law. As a UNSC permanent member, China can veto any sanction that comes its way unlike the Philippines and as such, unless other great powers choose to intervene, China can basically do whatever it wants. Just take a look at how the US has managed to protect Israel from any international pressure for an example. As long as China or Russia do not intervene, no one can stop Israel
It's honestly an excuse at this point, an easy to reference thing to drive up nationalism. Makes you wonder how insecure the party (or probably the central committee and Xi) is if they have to resort to that.
The CCP rule is secure most especially around 2008. They fumbled the ball with their "growth" mindset. Kelangan may growth lagi kaya puro condo construction nalang.
I always felt that was the endgame. Nag-ipon lang sila ng lakas at pera.
>I guess they are avenging for that Century of Humiliation. Kung ganyan "excuse" nila para mang bully then those CCP mofos can fuck off! Hindi dahil na-experience nila yang "Century of Humiliation" nilang yan ay scot-free na nilang pwedeng gawin mga kagaguhang ginagawa nila! What?! Palagi nalang "pa-victim" pero sila nangbibiktima! At bakit nila pinupunterya Pinas at ibang mga former colonies(i.e. Vietnam, India) kung gusto nilang i-"avenge" Century of Humiliation nila! Kung ganon, hope those fuckers experience a second age of humiliation!
What's hilarious is that the Century of Humiliation could've been prevented had they been more open to adopting modern, industrial Western (and arguably even Middle Eastern, perhaps specifically Ottoman) technology and arms rather than closing themselves off because "rah rah we are celestial empire we got everything we don't want barbarian technology eme eme" so when the first Opium War came they brought fucking muskets from the 1600s to an 1800s rifle fight Aside from that, they failed to see the European colonial expansion as a warning sign that they would come for the Chinese empire, and the Japanese invasion under Hideyoshi as a warning sign that they'd go for round 2. They had a massive fleet under the Ming famously led by Admiral Zheng He but they scuttled it. Oh and the imperial court were just corrupt and incompetent af lol. mere months before the Japanese invaded Shandong and Taiwan in the 1890s they actually had [one of the strongest and most modern warship fleets](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beiyang_Fleet) in the world on paper and were actually on the way to becoming a force to be reckoned with matching some bureaucrat convinced the Emperor to redirect funding kasi hindi daw threat yung mga Hapon hahaha. So yeah in short sure the colonizers were wrong to attack, but China themselves deserve to be slammed for failing to take responsibility for their own security and basically ignore massive red flags from the European colonial powers and Japan even when they were plastered directly on their faces. It's classical "middle kingdom" "mandate of heaven" [Hua-Yi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hua%E2%80%93Yi_distinction) hubris. Of course the ultranationalists ignore this lol. I bet these fuckers would bring a broomstick to an ICBM WW3 scenario just to spite the "Western/Japanese imperialists"
I would argue that qing dynasty wasn't han Chinese. The qing court based in the north was corrupt as fuck while some of the southern areas embraced trade and openness.
Huh, kinda explains why Sun Yat-sen and other revolutionaries came from the South hahaha Oh and uh that one dude who claimed to be God's little brother
You can thank Deng Xiopeng for the reforms (except the Tiannamen Square Protests). Then it all came tumbling back down again ever since Xi Jinping gathered enough power to centralize power again.
That's the excuse, but xi is being a dick. The 2008 Olympics was a resounding success and it makes pundits like Gordon Chang look like fools with their success.
Tbf, some european nations are the reason why Ming and Qing dynasties collapsed.
China was at that top of the world in the early 19th century, then the Industrial Revolution happened.
+ the Japanese atrocities and occupation resulted with China being fragile, poor, devastated
I think they realized that they couldn't actually woo these nations out of their alliance with the United States
Mfs really want a sequel
Matagal na nilang propaganda to really spread out and dominate and any ways that they could possibly do, kahit check nyo lang 60 Minutes Australia (YT News channel), ang dami na nilang coverage regarding China kung paano sila slowly but surely crippling into other territories mapamukha lang nila na "lowkey" may assertion dominance silang ginagawa. Pinaka recent is nagi install sila na ng "official" Chinese Police stations all across other countries, but the thing is - never naging allowed to - nag pinag pipilitan nilang may 'authority and permit' sila to do so kahit ayaw nila sabihin kung nasaan mga yun sa mga ibang bansa.
gahd damn commies gawa ng gawa ng kagaguhan sa kapitbahay nila pero ayaw masisita. Kalaban ka na agad. Typical squammy mindset.
“If you’re not with us you’re against us” kind of mentality 🤷🏽♂️
The Mainland is slowly destroying itself from the inside, the biggest being the real estate investment fiasco.
College grads nila dun walang mapasukang trabaho, crops are bad, and their women don't wanna go get married and be preggo no matter how much PRC beg them which threatens their future supply of the workforce.
This makes China scary today because these decade is crucial on invading Taiwan any mote later might lose their chance
> their women don't wanna go get married and be preggo It's a phenomenon of pushback against raising a family happening across East Asia, including ours (and this subreddit), mainly due to rising costs of living.
Goes deeper than that in China. Their abortions are sex-based. Females are more likely to be aborted over there. Also, they have the concept of "left-over women" that says once a woman pushes thirty, she's damaged goods/not fresh. Chinese men have been slowly outnumbering women in the past decades or so. Here in the Philippines, poverty is a common argument and not a state-sanctioned sexism. Not saying we are perfect in terms of gender equality but no one or no group here will openly go to a plaza, put up posters of their below 30's unmarried daughters, and "sell" them to grouchy Chinese bachelors who are all lacking in social skills.
It's only gonna get worse once AI takes over factory jobs. It'll take a decade to replace 90%
shouldn't have been aggressive in the first place.
Right. We're all nice people. But now they're making Japan re-arm.
They really oooffed themselves to the point that Japan is bending its constitution to rearm
I can see the headline if Japan went to side Taiwan during Chinese Invasion. “Empire Strikes Back:Asian Edition”
Typical. Bully in town complains when kids he is bullying retaliate.
Sadboi Xi
China argued it never started a conflict when 1950 KR, 1962 IN, 1979 VN, 2012 PH and 2012 JP which wouldn't have had happened if they just knew how to stfu and stopped being a jerk.
😂 tapos mga pro china takot magyera ng china
mukhang papunta na tong story ng China vs Asia sa Infinity War. HAHAHAHAHA hindi ba pwede isanction na ng interpol, u.n, and the likes yung China.
Hindi pa sa ngayon. Most West Factories nasa China pa eh and they’re holding them hostage. Wait lang naten makaalis ang karamihan
they could just give these factories sa PH Indo and Vietnam.
It’s happening since Pandemic. Sobrang mura kasi labor ng China talaga compare saten. Most companies are moving to Vietnam and India. Pero dahil sa trilateral meeting, there might be a silver wind blowing to Ph.
Mf when their victims started fighting back, they started acting like a victim
Because their natural resources can't support their massive population, they have to LEECH off of every nation's sea to suck ALL fishes, clams and other edible seafoods they can catch. Their fishermen can be seen as far as Argentina's waters.
YTA, China.
America in the past used to get away with supporting various dictators (ie. Pinochet, Marcos, etc.), but with the power of the internet the leadership of the US is more scrutinized by the public on their actions (see Israel right now, if this was the 70s-90s it would be so easy to sweep it under the rug).
Agree. Kaya I prefer US as an Ally.
This is just something to get their population united. PRC had a lot of recent economic setbacks and are using this to ensure their population doesn't get angry at the ruling party.
Shunga din tong China eh. Pati nga Vietnam na Communist country ayaw din sa kanila. Sila din ang gumagawa ng mga kaaway nila
Pati Thailand "kaaway" nila? Akala ko goods sila ng Thailand.
Daming bootlickers na Thai sa Tsina pero di ko akalain May problema parin silang dalawa hahaha
Its not surrounded, its just isolated bully.
Yup. We wouldn't have to do that, if they'd stop being assholes.
China has an excess single but unemployed males in their 30s, 40s, and 50s that could be used as cannon fodder in a WWIII scenario with the US and I won't be surprised if Xi Jinping ignites WWIII by attacking the Philippines, just to get rid of their excess single but unemployed male population.
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Boots on ground ng PLA dito sa pilipinas and amphibious warfare? They can try pero it will be a challenge in a unprecedented magnitude dahil they have to establish a complete dominance over the airspace, sea and undersea. Though i have doubts sa ating sandatahang lakas, i can tell that we can push them back sa dagat dahil magagaling at may experience ang ating mga sundalo. Sure, they have ship base missile system and ballistic missiles from mainland at sa mga man made islands nila sa spratly but they cannot and will not deplete their stockpile dahil hindi lang tayo ang magiging kaaway nila mayroon pang mas importanteng target for their missiles.
>China has an excess single but unemployed males in their 30s, 40s, and 50s that could be used as cannon fodder It's been speculated that China only has until 2030 to retake Taiwan and have any chance of going toe-to-toe with the US and allies, precisely because of this. Their combat-ready population had already peaked and they won't have the same capability again for the foreseeable future.
The more China delays retaking Taiwan, the more it will escalate into full-blown WWII by invading, Japan, Philippines, and Taiwan at once by the 2030s.
I don't want to be a fearmonger but I have a sinking feeling that our generation will see war, maybe even a World War, in the next 10 years. Since 2021, China had noticeably ramped up aggression with Taiwan—China routinely flies quick scouting missions inside Taiwan's airspace, basically probing their air defense systems, but 2021 saw a marked increase in those micro-aggressions, even reaching up to the hundreds per day. The US had been rushing to build TSMC (Taiwan Semi-conductor Manufacturing Company—the world's biggest and probably most important company in terms of technology) foundries in US soil, something that is unprecedented since Taiwan had previously been very insistent with their foundries being all home-based. This is probably for the best since the entire world relies on TSMC for their microchips, even China, and an attack on Taiwan can put the entire world's tech industry at peril. This will inevitably hurt China too, but the ruling government can't let their dwindling opportunity to finally retake Taiwan pass. All the investments and steps they've taken with regards to WPS for the past decade will all be for naught if they don't attack Taiwan. This decade is now or never for them.
Ceding to China like what the DDS and pro-China Filipinos want to "avoid" war will actually accelerate that timetable and make war more of a certainty as China will have the 1st island chain under their control giving them access to the Pacific.
China annexing the Philippines will definitely escalate things, since the peace between China and the US/Taiwan alliance right now is only possible via a proverbial Mexican standoff. See, China is surrounded by a chain of US-affiliated countries that can effectively blockade China at the first sign of trouble, and is basically the major thing stopping Chinese aggression since a US-led blockade can strangle the Chinese economy quicker than any Chinese counterattack short of a nuclear warhead, and that's just during peacetime. Do that during wartime and China will be fighting a lost war before they even shoot their first shot. We're a part of that chain, and this chain is only as effective as it's individual links. Take one country off that chain, especially the Philippines, possibly the most strategic link in that chain (because we're in the middle of everything else; plus Taiwan will be stuck between two enemies if the Philippines defect to China's side—the Philippines will become the main staging ground fending off reinforcements from the allied navies while China drags Taiwan to a back-alley beating) and blockading will be impossible, meaning the Chinese navy can effectively run rampant on SEA and the Pacific without effective opposition, or at least any major disadvantages. Without the threat of a blockade, China can at least mount an amphibious invasion of Taiwan before having to worry about fighting off US or allied forces. They may still lose, but Taiwan is too valuable to US interest to even risk being attacked because TSMC foundries are likely targets for an attack, especially if the Chinese situation becomes desperate, and the world relies on those foundries to remain operational lest we take a massive hit in tech development—think the pandemic was already a sucky time to buy PC parts? Imagine if that microchip shortage becomes a full-on microchip famine, not to mention a lot of military tech that the world's biggest militaries rely on to fight their wars rely on a steady supply of microchips that rely on TSMC manufacturing. So an explicitly Chinese-controlled Philippines? That might just push the US to a desperate position enough to escalate things. All in all, as I've been saying since PRRD and the DDS had been spouting their bullshit "neutral stance" propaganda, the Philippines have the unenviable position of being fucked either way in this possible war. Siding with China will put us in the frontlines of the war, and it's not gonna be any different with the US either. Our geographic location is too strategic to have any hopes for neutrality, and that should be common sense and all too familiar of a situation for us since that's the entire reason why Japan attacked and occupied us during WW2 in the first place. They didn't want a Filipino colony, they just wanted to make sure the US navy can't blockade their supply lines nor harass them on their backs while they plunder Indonesia and Malaysia of the resources they need. I'm hope I don't sound too crazy when I say I've had nightmares of waking up to us being nuked by China since the WPS issue came up and I researched enough to learn what the real issue is about it. China might just get desperate enough to make us a non-issue in the event of a Sino-American war.
May dispute din yang china against Russia sa may bandang border nila. lamang ang Russia dito kasi may direct energy weapon sila na makakapag induce ng Havana syndrome.
even North Korea too 😂
It’s because of their history regarded as the 100 Years of Humiliation. Basically gusto nila gantihan lahat kaya very aggressive sila sa lahat.
Next time we will make it 250 years for good measure
Sa madaling salita, pa-victim ang CCP hahaha.
Its a result of the Century of Humiliation and the persistent view of China as the "Middle Kingdom." Even if its not the CCP that rules over China, the ROC would treat itself as though it was surrounded on all sides. Thats how China saw itself then ever since its inception, thats how China will ever see itself in the future.
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Sort of like Japan in late 1930s. The USA tried to strangle them with sanctions and oil restrictions to slow down their expansion... It was a hard time after that.
The US embargoed Japan because they were committing atrocities in china. If they hadn't been committing very visible mass slaughter and rape across Chinese cities, the US probably would've just kept trading with them.
The brutality of the Second Sino Japanese War was so horrific that many historians believe that full reconciliation between the two nations is impossible within the next few decades.
From what I see, parehas lang pinapairal ng mga East Asians ang pride
Propaganda lang yan, pero sila naman talaga ang mahilig mang harass ng maliit bansa gamit yung nakaw na military weapons. Masasabi mo ba kawawa ang nagbabanta na idadaan sa gulo ang pagkuha sa Taiwan? Ang CCP ay gusto mag expand at palawakin ang influence nito. Kaya yung buong WPS inaangkin nila gamit yung naval supremacy nila. Gusto rin bawas-bawasan din ng CCP ang ibang teritoryo sa India. Payag ba kayo sa hinaharap na kontrolado kayo ng isang komunistang bansa?
I've been suspecting this for quite some time now, and it's that the China of today is following the footsteps of Imperial Japan of old, essentially touting itself as the new "defender of Asia" against the West (and pro-Western states in the region). And what could possibly go wrong with that?
"Asia for the Asians!" Unless you're the inferior kind 💀🚩. Philippines remembers.
Di ba nga, meron silang “Belt and Road Initiative” sabi nila for the purpose of better connectivity to lift people out of poverty. But in reality, it’s being built for their intent to dominate the world. Sabi sa conspiracy theories.
Parang extortion.
Exactly. Kasi malulubog daw sa utang sa laki ng interes.
hindi *parang extortion.* Extortion talaga. Ang tamang tawag sa Belt and Road initiative ay Debt Trap Diplomacy.
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Debunked na ung debt trap diplomacy. But its complicated. China doesn't deliberately engage it those pero once you default mas grave ung consequences. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/ Even this research paper says it https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337816614_A_critical_look_at_Chinese_'debt-trap_diplomacy'_the_rise_of_a_meme https://www.bu.edu/gdp/2023/04/20/demystifying-chinese-overseas-lending-and-development-finance-why-china-became-the-worlds-largest-official-bilateral-lender/
tignan mo Pakistan ngayon, dahil sa pautang nila sa China. Lumaki inflation, economic collapse, political instability, violence all across the country.
The CCP is brainwashing its citizens that other countries are being “hostile” towards China. This will allow the government to recruit more troops and justify the war effort against the whole region.
To be fair, the CCP is also a right wing capitalist party. That beibg said, tama ka. Andami nilang kinakaaway.
The bully that acts like the victim.
Sa kaka overthink ni Weenie the Pooh nagiging aggresibo sya sa atin. Sana magkatotoo yang kanyang mga sinasabi. Sana gangbangin ng ibat ibang bansa yang China na yan katulad ng ginawa ng mga hapon sa kanila during WWII whahahahaha
Xi Jinping is in a rush to see his plans happen while he's alive that is why they are using force instead of soft power.
Enemies, that they made themselves. Coulda just not be a dick.
This is why impossible na makipag "Giyera" ang China sa atin. Ang dami niyang kaaway sa Asia putek pag naag focus sa isa malamang i te take advantage yan ng ibang bansa na yurakin sila.
Parang yung kupal na driver na aangasan ka sa kalsada tapos pag tinapatan mo yung angas magpapavictim
Wrong map of India , china and Pakistan have been a pain in the ass since independence..... taking over kashmir (like Israel did, search for kashmiri pandit genocide) current situation is that India vs Pakistan and China might be closer....so maybe ww3 , China is a asshole
China is still obsessed with their supremacy way back when the dynasties where still a thing. Even the 9 dash line they are using right now is in support of this. That these islands were orignally theirs and were "stolen" from them
and many countries are vassel states for US's foreign policy.
CHINA: the highest form of pa-victim in the universe. AMPNESS!
Tell me you're pa victim without telling me you're pa victim.
**Because it makes enemies of its neighbors.**
womp womp maybe if they didnt bully their neighbors in the first place
Well they are because they pissed everyone
you wont have enemies if your actions are not hostile
They get what they deserve
Doubt sa Thailand, the Thais are neutral at best.
Yes, China is surrounded by enemies. It's also true that China made enemies out of them. Lmao. Stop stealing other people's land!
Looking at this map, I realised that my country is smol.
EVEN VIETNAM DOESNT LIKE THEM DESPITE BEING COMMUNIST 😜🤣
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Mas malaki problema ng vietnam sa kanila kesa sa atin. Imagine ultimo US na nakalaban nila sa Vietnam War mas "gusto" pa nila kesa sa kapitbahay nilang China.
I feel it's going to be over soon. If they somehow manage to occupy the Philippines, for one, Chinese-Filipino businessmen are never going to surrender their wealth to them, as per the Mainland's communist mandate. Plus they're going to have to deal with the Terrorists of Mindanao, basically these two forces are enough to bite them in the ass like two rabid dogs. As for Luzon, idk, my mom's mindanaoan, and i live here, anyway. no amount of kung-fu(gaslighting and reverse psychology) will make them survive a day here in this country with her. We just have our own shenanigans for these fascists to deal with, Just as America has shenanigans of their own. Would be fun to see them try to take over and "defend themselves from bullying countries by invading them."
Philippines is probably last on the list of countries they want to take over entirely, if there really is a list of such countries they want to beyond Taiwan. Why on earth would they want a headache like that, the Philippines is not very resource rich (unless it is confirmed there are oil reserves in its EEZ, which has not yet happened and is speculative) and the people will not make good subjects and provide not much more value in GDP than we generate now, which by Asian standards ain't much at all. They may however invade to take over shoals and parts of the EEZ, especially if these are found to have a lot of oil. But with the accelerating move to alternate energy sources this will become less and less of a reason but the primary reason remains. That of assuring their access to sea lanes and to prevent a blockade.
Xi Jin Ping is desperate to leave a legacy that's why China is trying to poke its neighbors. CCP's grand plan is to retake Taiwan before 2049, but with the way everyone is trying to push back against the aggression, I don't think they can pull it off.
This is a narrative of Russia as well before they invaded Ukraine.
Xi undid a lot of Hu Jintao's "charm offensive" Things weren't hostile until Xi came to power
You let the US build four bases on the island closest to their mainland. Of course they're mad at you guys.
If only China was contented with its increasing prosperity and power due to being the factory of the world and trust of world business to manufacture their products and be an agent of peace in the world as peace brings properity then it would not be in its present predicament. When you bully you lose the confidence of the world. Nobody likes bullies. The problem with China is it only thinks about China and does not have any other principles. Thus their ambition was world dominance not interdependence and Peace. US and Western World aims global peace and prosperity and democracy and human rights. When you have principles then you dont need to bully. Like Stocks, if you lose confidence you will lose money and friends.
Wolf warrior, but Paper tiger naman
Short description of China's beef with some Asian countries: China and Japan is both powerful countries lock on struggle for foreign influence since ancient times. China send soldiers to fight for North Korea on its attempt to invade South Korea during the Korean war. China and Taiwan both claim to be the true China. China invade Vietnam in 1979. China invade India in 1962. The reason why China is having a hard times replicating US strong global influence is because unlike US bordering two friendly nations and access to two ocean Chinese movement of trades and military assets can be easily restricted by small but capable countries. This is why China is trying its lucks through Central Asia and Africa
Wait, is this map admitting that Taiwan isn't part of China?
The fully independent Republican of China Taiwan? Yes. Yes it is.
Kapag nag-post ka ng negative about CCP online eh wag kayong pumunta sa China or Hongkong (kahit transit). Pwede kayong i-detain.
I got it out of my system already. Singapore and Taiwan are nice alternatives.
When the annoying kid in class plays the victim.
“We were assholes to everyone and now we are surrounded by unfriendly nations!” Well, what did we learn?
"No. Everyone else must be the problem!" Learns nothing.
China be arguing that the world is big and US can surely accommodate their influence. I agree, the world is big. But the problem is they want to spread on countries that are allied to US, and that is surely a posing a threat to the US.
I think this speaks to China's paranoia. Coz there was a time when China was actually peaceful (just a tiny bit) when Deng Xiaoping became the general secretary and started the equivalent of Destalinization but with Mao Zedong. China did great business in the 80's with the Western order especially USA. American companies actually moved their factories in China because they offered cheap labor. This what allowed cities like Shanghai to basically flourish. But then Xi Jinping came and started pushing Chinese nationalism. It kind of saw American influences encroaching over their sphere from the Pacific regions. That's why you see it allying with Russia (albeit very uneasy), they want to counteract what they see as a very Western-led order. Although this came at a cost. As you can see, they started antagonizing just about everyone. They started pushing the nine-dash line which pissed off Vietnam, Malaysia, and us, Philippines. They kept harassing Taiwan and now Taiwan is pushing for their own independence as a sovereign nation. The beef with Japan is understandable given Japan has done some unspeakable things to China during WWII and hasn't apologized over it (which has been sort of washed off by the West but we should never forget the various atrocities Japan did in WWII). The Sino-Indian beef goes way back to the 60's when China started claiming the regions of Aksai Chin in Kashmir and the state of Arunachal Pradesh. Even though India and China has economic relations, this territorial dispute does rub between the two governments. With South Korea, i really don't know because the Koreans and Chinese does do business with one another. My guess is that North Korea because China provides help to them and is an ally. With Thailand, I am completely in the dark so do let me know. Funny thing is China's paranoia is what led to this nations antagonizing China. China was trying so hard to exert their influence aggressively. Now, most of those countries have aligned themselves with USA. Even Vietnam who was an enemy of USA in the Vietnam War has now also allied with USA. Their own paranoia has led them to this situation.
Bc they are the worst neighbors
Especially India🤭🤭🤭
That big one on top is their ally
Enemies of their own design
Who's the enemy?
now that their economy isn't growing so rapidly, and saw how russia fumbled with their invasion. they can't just rattle their sabers all willy nilly
China IS the enemy
Yes because china is a shithole
Inaway ng ccp lahat eh...
its to let their population move away from the issues plaguing the mainland, enemies = propaganda = people care less about internal issues
It's just the Tragedy of Great Power politics playing out in real-time in our day. Something that has happened hundreds of times before between hundreds of different nations and fiefdom. The #1 is threatened by #2 and so the result is #3.. War.
CCP Propaganda at its best
Pa victim na naman ang mga communist, eh kung naging mabuti silang kapit bahay di sana ganyan ang sitwasyon sa asia, di man nila aminin pero meron pa rin silang imperial mentality at superiority complex.
India is an ally of China through the BRIC Coalition.
But the truth is that they are. They might not be surrounded by military enemies but in the world of globalization, they are surrounded by economic competitors. The problem with China is that they werent satisfied being a second world country. In a world dominated by the US, everyone else will be delegated to being second class countries since the US is an economic blackhole that will suck all growth into it. A lot of countries have accepted that but it seems some like China and Russia are not happy with that arrangement. The fault lies two ways, first with the US for fostering a capitalistic system that respects and chases growth instead a more anthropocentric system. The second fault lies with China for not wanting to allow the US to keep doing it.
It's not just China and Russia, but all of BRICS for the reason you mentioned. Us dollar hegemony has transferred productive capacity from the rest of the world to America and it also allowed America to export its problems overseas, causing destabilization. Then there's Saudi Arabia, another favorite target of America's human rights campaigns. They see the writing on the wall that being a resource behemoth is no longer enough when America is becoming less reliant on that resource and it's now high time it trade directly in other currencies which led to it abandoning it's exclusive petrodollar scheme. Over the last few decades there has been accelerating trend to reducing US Dollar dominance in trade. It has not yet reached the tipping point but once it does reserve currency status can fade quickly within years, especially if the new currency is multilateral and better managed than the dollar.
These superpowers aint got no chill. I wonder if Earth will still be sustainable after the next inevitable nuclear war.
Lol back when Deng Xiaoping everyone was froendly with China.
They reap what they sow
Communist Party of China and the Peoples Liberation Army foreign relation policy is if you will not subjugate you are an Enemy
What's their beef with Thailand?
When u don't realize you're the problem...
Right. If only China followed Confucius teaching - Do not do unto others what you dont want others to do to you. Then China and the world are still enjoying globalization.
不过不管怎么说，最近几十年确实没正式对外战争啊
Keep your enemies closer -Confucius
we going 55 days at Beijing with this one 🗣️🗣️📣📣
script ni Putin
The sudden death of Li Keqiang, Xi Jinping's rival, last year has also been mysterious. CCP is doing everything even to silence its own members who they perceive as "enemies".
That's why they can't win if they start a war, imagine the sanctions pag nag kataon lubog economy nila.
Kala ko ito na bagong one dash line
LOLvictim card
They created
Mga balahura kasi sila.
pak you tsina