I was fairly sure they implemented a ban on single occupant vehicles sa edsa noon just to alleviate the traffic during rush hour. Was right, around Aug of 2018 implemented. Tapos wala din nangyari kasi according to some article nalipat lang yung traffic to C5 and some people "allegedly" offer colorum carpool offering ride for some money to circumvent that ban.
Yun last kasi prob eh. Ayaw nila ng single occupant, ayaw din nila ng carpool. Ke nag colorum yan or hindi, if the objective was to eliminate SOVs, they shoulda just let them. The SOV ban was a bandaid solution anyway
I remember that time they banned carpools. Greatly affected yung Wunder/ Wander app. Initially ang gandang app nun. Met some wonderful neighbor friends thru that app coz we legit did carpools, lahat kami working na kailangan lang ng masasakyan. And the car owner extra money since magisa lang naman siya sa car on the daily. Sadly when they banned carpools, di na nagfly ang movement. Sayang. Could've answered so many problems.
Damn, thats greedy af.
I dont get if its from bus operators though. Its not like they can even service everyone. Its already jampacked during rush hours.
When a policy does not make sense and it does not benefit the majority, you can bet that some group lobbied for it.
Example, yung mandate from the government to require employees to reduce work from home and go back to work on-site…nag lobby ang mga real estate developers for that.
All the biggest conglomerates have a real estate company or have companies that will benefit from the influx of people going back to working on-site.
Sample list:
Sy’s - SMDC
Gokongwei - RLC
Ayala’s - Ayala Land
Manny Pangilinan - Metro Pacific
Ramon Ang - Skyway/SMC
Let us not forget, during the pandemic, working from home proved effective. Traffic improved a lot. Now, we’re back to having the worst rush hour traffic in the world.
In the US, it's actually normal to pick up random people as passengers to use the carpool lane. It's called slugging. There's no money involved though.
The number of people who blame jeepneys, motorbikes, and buses and their unruly behavior is pretty high though. They are of course, people who drive private vehicles.
There is no rule that restricts how many cars a person can own. You may add those people who buys a car and just parks right in front of their house and the ***hulugan buying system***.
Improving public transportation is the solution to gradually diminish the gap between private car users and commuters.
They seem pretty high because they're the noisy bunch. Sila rin yung majority na nagpapark sa kalsada. Dagdag mo pang sila rin galit sa bike lanes, galit sa bus lanes at sila rin ayaw sa NCAP kasi mahuhuli mga violations nila 🤦♂️
pero super majority talaga ng Pinoy ay commuters. Di lang marunong karamihan bumoto ng mga taong commuters din. Instead we get someone na naaawa sa mga car dealers 🤦♂️
> *pero super majority talaga ng Pinoy ay commuters*
the people who have to wait 30+ minutes every rush hour just to ride is probably evidence for that
30+ minutes during rush hour is too quick. MRT rush hour lines can last an hour at North Edsa, Cubao, or Taft.
Tapos ka nang mag-stream ng Shogun, hindi ka pa nakakarating sa bababaan mong station.
Yup. Baka sa Edsa madalang na yan pero sa mga smaller streets and roads bopols talaga. Pet peeve ko yung nagiging jeepney terminal yung corner ng intersection. Tapos isahan lang yung lane. Juicecolored!
Saan mo nakuha data mo tungkol sa ano sinisisi ng mga driver dito?
Edit: nag tatanong lang saan galing yung data ng statement niya, dowwnvote agad. This subreddit is hopeless.
even the comment gave you headache if post is about cyclist in hellish travel.
"iparehistro/lisensya muna bike mo bago karapatan"
"tanggalin ang bike lane (insert reason)"
"taong-taon kami nag-babayad ng road tax para magamit (insert vehicle) namin tapos kayo hindi, ang kakapal ng pag-mumukha nyo/mo!"
and etc.
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idk how tf they did get a license.
Nung nakaraang semanta santa naging patok ulit tong topic na to, and I swear a lot of redditors dito sa r/ph blamed road infrastructure, lack of public transport, and road width, apparently. Everything but the large number of private cars I guess, because that's what *they're* using.
But people driving private cars is the symptom of the problem. Many people buy cars, motorcycles, etc exactly because our public transport system is shitty.
E kung ngayon nga lang, parusa na mag public transpo, paano pa kaya kung hindi na mag kotse o motor yung mga meron?
One factor that probably led to families buying more cars than what they need is due to the number coding system.
**Instead of just sticking to one car, families now got two cars,** since one car cannot be used on one specific weekday.
PH would be better if we have train stations and train lines along all major roadways.
When public transit is superior to private cars then far fewer people would buy one.
Honestly this + remove provincial rates is the best and fastest way to alleviate traffic without need for major infra revamps
Get people out of manila and back to their hometowns, and get them to stay at home
Or all three + developing the infrastructure in the provinces to sustain the returning/incoming workers + of course developing IT infrastructure to cope with WFH/Hybrid demand.
Though even developing Metro Manila's infrastructure, especially of it involves railways snaking deep into the suburbs and onto rural areas can itself help in developing provincial centers kasi siyempre mas madali mag move out kung me tren.
That's how some places in Saitama and Kanagawa prefectures in Japan went from being essentially auxiliary commuter towns for Tokyo, to arguably self-sustaining communities with all the homes and jobs within their own cities.
Of course there are other factors but [infra definitely helped](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Densely_Inhabited_District_of_Saitama-shi_1960-.gif#mw-jump-to-license)
I have a feeling that normalisation of Work from Home / Hybrid + a staggered office (for jobs that can't be WFH-able), school, and leisure hours would do wonders for traffic.
Good idea na rin yung isang commenter here, provincial rate removal or at least equality with Manila rate. Can't concentrate workers at NCR when the rest of the Philippines provide competitive rates.
+1
Malamang sa malamang, mga professionals pataas ang karamihan sa mga may auto. Almost all professionals want wfh. Exemption lang tlaaga eh yung mga salesman na kailangang pumunta ng point a to point b.
Cause PH is a small island nation pretending to be a US Midwest state. And as much as your suggestion is the right solution, the boys and girls at the seats sadly don't think that way.
Also make the sidewalks actually walkable. An LRT station 10 minutes "walk" away from you isn't going to be more enticing than a car when the path there is actively hostile against pedestrians.
No, knowing them they'll just make it harder for normal, ordinary citizens to get a car. Some hotshot dumbfuck Congressman or Senator will say we need to implement the Singapore model while totally neglecting how easy and pleasant it is to get around Singapore on public transpo. I can fucking feel it.
Singapore model is not ideal; Japanese model would be more preferrable. Just enough regulations to make the car optional not unattainable. It of course comes with the caveat of having convenient and efficient public transport
actually studies show that the best way to reduce private cars is to make it more inconvenient to drive.
that means, narrower roads, less car lanes, no contact apprehension, lower speed limits.
you can improve public transpo all you want, it can also be best in the world, people will still drive bec they expect everyone ELSE to take public transpo.
As public transport is continued to be improved, regulations in private automobiles should increase. It should be simultaneous so that displaced drivers will have an option of equal convenience and higher efficiency.
Do both and make it a law that lawmakers have to take public transport all the time tapos tanggalin na rin mga special plates nila. Kaya naman panget public transport kasi yung mga dapat nagpapaganda nyan nakakotse na may wangwang. Disincentivize lawmakers to buy cars first kasi kung nahihirapan sila magcocommute edi yun yung aayusin nila.
"But remove private cars and not improve transit will mean more people will just be miserable in shitty transit."
Yes it will. By a lot.
Back in 2014, kapag walang traffic, my FX ride from Taytay to Makati takes me 30 to 40 minutes. With traffic, it becomes 2 hours one-way. Removing traffic reduces Turn-Around Time ng FX by 67%. In the same amount of time na kapag traffic, 3 times worth ng pasahero nang nadala ng FX to Makati if walang traffic. Multiply that with the dozens of FX, imagine how many yung nadala nila to Makati. Di pa natin sinama mga bus at jeep dito.
So yes. Removing private vehicles will surely improve public transpo by a lot. In public transpo, speed and timeliness is king. Without traffic, speed would be great, and timeliness would be a lot more predictable.
Whenever the topic of the coding scheme comes up, I still remember what [Mexico did in 1989.](https://www.jstor.org/stable/3990252)
>A ban restricting each car from driving on a specified weekday is found to have increased total driving in Mexico City. Because of the ban, cars effectively represent "driving permits," and some households have bought an additional car and increased their driving. Greater use of old cars, congestion effects, and increased weekend driving may also have contributed to the disappointing results. The ban has high welfare costs and does not deliver the intended benefits of reduced driving-quite the contrary. The experience provides an interesting lesson in applied welfare economics. Theory indicates that this is a costly way of reducing traffic and pollution. But the finding that the strategy is counterproductive could be made only with applied quantitative analysis.
Yes. But there does not need to be one solution. We should both improve public transpo and reduce private car usage.
In the other way around, coding was meant to reduce car usage but because of the lack of public transport infrastructure, car users just eventually bought another car. We can reduce and make driving inconvenient all we want, but people will still drive if public transport is still a relatively worse experience.
This was actually done in Paris and it still continues up to this day. The city is very aggressive in removing lanes for cars and transforming it into bike lanes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI-1YNAmWlk
I hope mag tuloy tuloy na ang pagdagdag ng trains dito at mas mapabilis pa. Tingin ko naman aware ang presidente kasi may recent interview sya na may sinabi sya na “ang mayayaman ay gumagamit ng trains”.
Problema kasi ang bagal ng construction, right of way at corruption para mas mapatagal ang pagnakaw nila ng pera ng bayan.
Sana magkaron din ng madaming walkable path na may bubong, parks at bike lanes.
making cars expensive doesn’t work, banks will find a financial product to make them affordable. you need to make owning a car expensive, not buying a car.
that means higher parking fees, higher insurance premiums, higher maintenance costs, congestion pricing.
Improve public transpo and strictly enforce the law. You'd be surprised gano karaming unregistered cars yung nasa daan. Kung di lang corrupt gobyerno dito, SG's way is also effective place high cost on the registration of the car itself
Its too extreme for a band aid solution.
Hindi niya ma sosolve yung problema na walang matinong transportation system going in and out of NCR. On going na yung infra projects for that.
Airports. Trains. Tech hubs. Industrial parks. Subdivisions. Unti unti nang tinatayo just outside NCR.
Accessibility to nearby provinces encourages new or existing big companies to relocate there. Hindi na kailangan magsiksikan dyan sa Metro Manila.
Kasi wala silang choice?
And besides, if walang private vehicles, mas mabilis ikot nang lahat ng public transpo natin (except trains). Back in 2014 FX ride from Taytay to Makati without traffic takes me 30 to 40 minutes. With traffic, it becomes 2 hours. If tuloy tuloy na walang traffic, a single FX can carry 3x more passengers for the same amount of time. Multiply that by the numbers of FXs, the number of passengers you've transported would probably overshadow any amount of private vehicles that was transported for the same amount of time. Add mo pa na you have buses and jeeps and other public transport. Wala na, gg na
In public transpo, timeliness and speed is king, comfort is secondary. Fix the issue of timeliness and speed, you fix the biggest issue of current public transpo
But you did infer that private vehicles should be reduced. Reduce yung production maybe pero yung currently nasa road na, that seems impediment to some rights lalo na wala namang maayos na public transpo.
Although, of course, it's not as easy as black and white to fix this whole traffic thing lalo na yung mga naka upo ay naka private vehicle. Dumadaan pa ng bus lane.
If bawasan mo yung private vehicles, mas mabilis ikot ng PUVs.
Take my FX back in 2014 from Taytay to Makati. No traffic? 1 way ride is around 30 to 40 minutes. With traffic? 2 hours. So you're essentially reducing Turn Around Time by 67%. That means, in the same amount of time as current trafficked PUV, makakaikot sya ng 3 times without traffic. That's 3 times more passengers per vehicle. Multiply by the number of PUVs, you just get that whopping multiplier effect.
Masyado nating minamaliit yung impact ng reduction of private vehicles na naiisip natin na band aid solution sya. It's not. It's a very practical solution to a complex problem. It's cheap and can be implemented tomorrow.
Problema rin na yung iilan na nagsasabi na better public transportation is the answer, kapag binawasan mga lanes for private cars para palitan ng bus or bike lane, MAGREREKLAMO HAHAHAHA. You can't improve public transpo/active mobility if you won't make it inconvenient to drive a car around.
You likewise cannot blame car owners for choose to drive cars when our public transport is so fractured and broken.
Yung mga nasa road, like buses and jeeps, kung saan saan ang pagtigil, walang set schedule, pag maghihintay ng pasahero sobrang tagal. Yung mga rail, sobrang sikip and only services so few locations.
I gladly take public transportation when I am abroad, I ride buses, subways, etc and there is no lack of public transport faults abroad, but at the very least, they get some basic things right, which we have yet to do.
Payment is generally unified. I use one card to pay for the bus, which I can also use for trains. It's just a simple tap to pay, or sometimes you can even use your credit card and skip the transit card entirely.
Things run on schedules, you can see what time which one is supposed to arrive, and they arrive on time most of the time. If there's a delay, you'll know about it. If there's a change in service, you'll know about it.
There is also a set place where you get picked up and dropped off. So there you know where to ride, what to ride, and when it arrives. Here, you stand on any random place on the street, and wait and see what comes to you. You have no idea what is coming and when.
If in the year 2024, the Philippines hasn't even developed bus stops yet, you can't really complain about private cars
When beepcard was implemented sa bus people complained and it was halted, 3 years later we’re one of the only few countries who didn’t incorporate cashless systems on our public transportation.
This country is just not moving forward, at all.
They tried. May mga nagrereklamo kasi maski dito sa reddit na ang beep cards ay designed para sa trains lang daw. It’s a fruitless discussion nga eh. I tried arguing na bakit sa ibang bansa gumagana ang Suica, Octopus Card, T-Card sa lahat ng public transpo even bus pero sa Pilipinas hindi? Sabi lang ay “ano kaugnayan ng ibang bansa sa bus sa Pilipinas”. Like duh? Kung kaya sa ibang bansa iapply yung paraan para magamit ang IC cards, bakit sa Pilipinas hindi?
EDIT: Found it. Some redditor said this lol
> Beeps cards are good for trains but not on bus rides. Have you observed how long it took for the bus to get out of the carousel stations because the passengers were still lining up in to tap their cards?
Totoo to. Yung public transport system dapat may system! May designated stops, hindi kung saan saan pwede. Style sa atin e parang lahat taxi. Mapa jeep, bus, UV. Sakay kahit saan, baba kahit saan. Napaka chaotic, at unpredictable ng traffic pag ganyan.
System na maayos, siguro add na rin talaga railway system. Experience ko sa Dubai (which is also a car centric emirate) maganda na may mga designated stops pero since kakaunti yung buses sa ibang parts ng lugar sobrang tagal ng byahe, yung tipong 20mins drive mo lang is 2hrs na commute unlike sa Hong Kong na sobrang nag cocompliment yung railway system sa bus.
Number one talaga para sakin ang rail. Di hamak na mas efficient at sure mababawasan ng malaki ang laman ng roads. Yun nga lang matagal matapos ng mga ganyang projects. Haaaaay.
It will be a long one kasi you do have to factor in the interest of private corporations at mga nakatira sa matatamaan. Just look at MRT-7. Dapat dadaan yan ng Pangarap Village and the village is supposed to be redeveloped into a mixed use district by the Araneta family. Lumaban ang mga taga Pangarap Village at ayun na forced mag realignment ang MRT-7.
And by standards, Pangarap Village is what you can consider a shanty settlement lol
Isn’t the PUVMP supposed to do this? IIRC, after vehicle upgrades, the next step is route rationalization. LTFRB and DOTr will coordinate with LGUs for assignment of stops for jeepneys. If true, it’s a long time coming but a step in the right direction
I didn’t know this. I’m all for it anyway. Adding designated stops will just make it a lot better. A step in the right direction indeed. Hopefully the govt wont fold this end of April.
People are going to see this and go "yan kasi kasalanan naman talaga ng mga car drivers"
But the cars are just the symptom of the actual causes of traffic
First of all, metro manila is overpopulated to an unsustainable degree. That is the first and foremost reason. That is because there are not enough job opportunities and attractive cities outside of metro manila. Nor are there easy ways to commute to metro manila to and from the neighboring areas, which is what some people do in other places where they work in the city center but then live in the surrounding areas outside of it. Everyone lives and works in metro manila. That is the number one main cause of congestion not only for roads, but for public areas, for housing, etc. there are too many people in too small a space
I don't understand why pinepersonal ng tao.
One side blames car drivers. The other thinks they're being personally attacked and lash out.
Meanwhile car dealers and expressway construction companies are laughing all the way to the bank.
There’s already a lot of people who blame private cars in this thread. Every time traffic problems are brought up in this sub, it’s like monkeys slinging poo at each other.
There should be more pressure to the government to create a safe and convenient public transportation, but we are too busy debating on whose fault is it, whether the bike lanes, private cars, the jeepneys, e-trike, etc.
Lumalabas nalang talaga ang bias dito sa sub nowadays. Remembering the dog incident, tondo incident, etc.
One other thing.
Why is it "someone's fault" and not simply identifying key problems? Identifying that is necessary kasi, since we can't solve it if we don't know what specifically to address. But nagkakaroon ng personal, moral dimension kasi when we see it as "someone's fault"
Finally, someone sensible. Too many people in this sub hate cars because of hasty generalization from 1 negative experience with car drivers. But if they can actually afford a car, watch them choose it over MM's shitty public transpo.
They think ALL car owners are devils compared to jeepneys, taxi drivers, and even the unregulated ebikes (known to inhibit emergency vehicles).
Galit sa kotse pero sumasakay ng taxi/grab karamihan for sure hahahaha
As a person who doesn't drive and only takes public transpo, I only need to take one look at EDSA from the MRT during rush hour to be thankful I'm taking public transpo. Honestly saludo ako sa mga car owners. Ang solusyon sa trapik dulot ng libu libong kotse sa EDSA...ay magdagdag pa ng isa pang kotse don.
It can be both though. Single occupancy cars make traffic congested kasi it's so space inefficient. You add shit infrastructure and poor urban planning then people are forced to use cars kahit na they cause congestion. It's not one or the other.
Baka need lang ng spread of information like pa ulit ulit na ads in every station na beep cards na gamitin to pay.
Pero aside from that if may proper bus stop for loading and unloading for these transpo na scheduled, better yata ito to minimize congested traffic. Organization lang talaga.
If you want to drive the point home, minority ang may kotse but they cause majority of the traffic. From [JICA's MUCEP](https://openjicareport.jica.go.jp/pdf/12247623.pdf) study in 2015, only 11.5% of households in GMMA own cars, but from [MMDA's Annual Average Daily Traffic](https://mmda.gov.ph/images/Home/FOI/Annual-Average-Daily-Traffic-AADT/AADT_2023.pdf), private cars form 1.566M of 3.634M vehicles recorded on a daily average. 12% of the population causes 41% of traffic. We're not even talking about load factors and road area taken up yet lol
It's a inane environment we've built where the least efficient mode of transport is the sanest, and the majority that depend on public transit get their transit culled and told to pound sand.
Oh yeah, [bonus clip of the MMDA head being completely allergic to a decent sidewalk because grumble grumble car dealers and edsa width](https://www.rappler.com/nation/metro-manila/mmda-clearer-guidelines-e-bikes-tricycles-restriction/). It's worse when you find out both are still accommodated for post-project (EDSA doesn't lose lanes, dealers still have frontage access besides road access behind their lots) and Artes (a lawyer) insinuates Rob Siy (an urban planner) doesn't know anything about urban planning. lol
> Vehicle tax
There is already that. Wag nalang natin pagusapan kung paano nagmura ang mga luxury cars ng mga politiko dahil sa bagong excise tax sa cars.
Like kawawa naman ang mga politiko diba? What about their bulletproof Land Cruisers! /s
>Abolish bicycle lane ang convert it to motorcycle lane
No. Bicycle lanes are a step in the right direction. Not only is it environmentally friendly, it also requires minimal space as compared to a motorcycle. Why not instead of promoting motorcycle usage, promote the use of e-bicycles. See those e-bicycles in BGC? Why not promote that?
>Articulated buses in skyway system
This is more on SMC if they will allow it. Not even all Class 3 vehicles are allowed in Skyway after that flying busses incident way back.
Plus Big Oil Companies, I've watched a video detailing how oil company encourage to sell cheaper cars in Africa and Asia. [Climate Town](https://youtu.be/aT0r_yJafmg?feature=shared&t=491) covered how oil is going to consume in Global South
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"Ito yung mga taong pinepersonal yung criticism against cars.
Dude, andaming taong de kotse na naiintindihan na minsan napilitan lang sila dahil sa kapalpakan ng infra at transpo sa atin. Alam din nila na kaya ang hassle bumiyahe dahil prioritized ang mga kotse at de kotse.
Di mo kailangan mainis. Liban nalang siguro kung naniniwala kang kotse naman talaga dapat ang priority. In which case I'll get why you're annoyed. But also it means you're opposed to the welfare of the majority.
Liban na rin kung basta nagkakotse na, di ka na rin susuporta sa mass transit reforms. "
Of course yan pero hindi kaya domino effect na ang lahat. Hindi ko nagegets na lahat na lang may galit sa bawat sasakyan. Lahat na lang dapat ipagbawal. Hindi kaya dahil nasobrahan yung pag regulate ng pag allow natin sa mga ibang transportation like jeeps and tricycles to the point na di na tayo nakapag focus gumawa ng side walk at trains? Isipin mo kung onti lang ganon natin. Alam ng gobyerno na mag wawala ang mga tao dahil don but because may choice naman tayo okay lang ang goverment na di na yan ayusin. Itong pag babawal sa mga motor, pag momodern ng jeep, pagbabawal ng ebike, pag tanggal ng bike lane or pag reregulate sa private cars. Band aid solution lang naman yan eh. Tingin niyo ba talaga 80 percent ng mga tao pipiliin mag drive ng sarili nila ebike or any cars kesa umupo sa mabilis at comfortableng sasakyan? Itong away sa bawat uri ng kotse walang sense. Bakit naman yung ibang bansa na mas malala pa sa korupsyon may maayos na train.
People are quick to argue that the public transportation is crap, which is true, but nobody is mentioning that owning a car is pretty much ingrained among Filipinos.
It's almost a goal that needs to be achieved, a status symbol. Once they have the means to get one, they'll definitely take the opportunity because of the status it holds and comfort it provides.
may pambili ako FYI. Di ako inggit na maging isa sa mga nagiging problema ngayon. Yucky kasi galit kayo sa hirap ng pagcommute pero ang WA is maging part ng problema. Yan ang yucky
Dapat iimprove yung public transpo para kahit yung afford mag-kotse, mas pipiliing mag-commute na lang. Marami sa mga nakakotse na yan, napilitan lang din mag-adhika ng sariling sasakyan dahil impyerno mag-commute sa Maynila. Kung okay ang public transpo, parang mas masarap magcommute na lang after ng mahabang trabaho kesa yung stressed ka na nga sa work tas magdadrive ka pa at maiipit sa traffic pauwi.
The government can impose all these rules limiting people from using/buying vehicles but it still won't solve the traffic problem. The only real solution to this problem is by reducing the roads that private cars can use and allocating them instead to public transportation and sustainable transportation.
There is a correlation. Bad public transportation will lead to more people who can afford a car to buy a car rather than wait in line for a public transport. Leading to more traffic
Want a developed country example? Naha in Okinawa
Eventually the root cause will always be bad urban planning. Some genius at the Marcos Sr. Administration was totally sold on World Bank’s idea of Jeepneys being the primary public transport. Whereas on JICA report, they suggested 5 main heavy rail.
Part and parcel of more population, and so more cars, as there are more people with the money for them.
In my experience people still prefer cars even when decent public transport is available, for the 'convenience'. They waited a long time to get their cars and want to use them. How to manage that aspect is a real problem faced around the world.
Sa NCR, 12 percent lang ng households ang may kotse. Yun lang sapat na ma clog mga kalsada natin.
Yung sinabi mo sa second part is the reason why making car use harder and more expensive is the way forward. Ideally, funds gained from that will be used to improve transit.
As obvious as this thing is most Filipinos don't believe it. They will always blame jeepneys and buses, including those who do not own cars, can't afford Grab and whose primary mode of transportation are, well, jeepneys and buses.
decongest metro manila. Start by relocating the national capital to western Visayas. Indonesia is doing it, why can't Philippines do it? That new senate building in BGC is going to be a huge waste of taxpayer's money
One way to look at it, hindi developed ang nearby provinces ng Metro Manila? Last holy week diba, tuwang tuwa nung walang traffic ang Edsa etc. since nasa bakasyunan or umuwi mga tao sa province.
Genuine question. What if walang color/number coding?
Tbh, if wala yan for sure 2 cars lang kami. We have 4 now. 2 cars kasi same day ang coding. Ang hassle lang. naghhelp ba talaga yun?
Meron o wala, ganun din naman na ang nangyayari. Yung mga taong di naman dapat nasa lansangan sa araw na yun e nasa lansangan pa rin, kinaiba lang e ibang sasakyan ang gamit.
no shit! sumasakit na katawan ko kada gising sa umaga hindi pa rin nag improve mass transpo sa pinas. ano ineexpect niyo maging solution ng bawat pinoy?
ang bobo niyo lang talaga dahil nun pandemic lahat ng pwede i-WFH naka WFH tapos yung state ng commute nun para sa mga kailangan naka on site ay mahirap at matrapaik pa rin. tapos ngayon ni-require niyo bumalik mga tao sa opis kasi nababawasan kita niyo ano inaasahan mangyari sa traffic.
Maiibsan lang ang traffic sa Metro Manila kung merong effective and efficient public mass transport system. Imagine if convenient lang magcommute around Metro, people from all walks of life will definitely choose public mass transport over driving their own cars. Haissst pero kailan kaya mangyayari yan?
Malinaw naman ang mga solution e.
Expand public transportation capacity. Make bike transport safer and more viable. Incentivize WFH arrangements.
Tutuklawin na sila sa tumbong nila kung ahas itong mga ito.
Ngek. Is it the private cars or ultimately the lack of urban planning. Kung efficient lang ang mass transpo natin at ang mga kalye ay designed for maximum efficiency, hindi traffic.
It is more expensive to own a car. But people buy cars because they can see that the cost of maintaining a car outweighs the negative aspects of dealing with commute.
Certificate of Entitlement.. having car plate is bidding system and heavily regulated. A Toyota vios in Singapore is 4 million pesos. This only works if public transport system is very good and efficient
nope. not just small.. the keywords are "Efficient transport system". Having a private car is just a luxury or optional. when you can travel from Point A to B in 15-30 mins at most and On time bus schedule
certificate of entitlement (registration) . bidding ang pagkakaron ng rehistro. limitado lang ang pwede ma rehistro. so kontrolado ang numero ng mga sasakyan na lalabas sa kalsada.
It's the direct cause, just like saying high prices cause inflation. The followup question is why are so many private cars plying our roads, is it because alternatives for transport are just not tolerable for most Filipinos.
Ako lang ba o ang cause ng traffic ay yung non stop building of condos. Not the building itself but the density of population it creates. 2 Lane Street tapos tabi tabi 25 level condos.
Sobrang dami nang kotse dahil sa palpak na public transport. Tinigil yung PNR for rehabilitation, Jeepney Modernization na hindi naman maumpisahan dahil sa welga dito welga doon, binablock pa yung traffic imbes na dun sila sa Malacañang magwelga. Bus na nag-iba ang routes.
Kaya hindi ko masisi yung mga kababayan natin na bumili ng sariling kotse at motor.
The rise of number of private cars is not the root cause it is a result of the root cause. So outright banning it or restricting private car ownership is like cutting wild grass but not uprooting it. There has to be a better way of tackling this problem.
#Total Ban of Cars!
#If not possible, then Impose higher taxes to private vehicles, and use it to improve public transportation, make better bike lanes and pedestrian lanes.
#Also, our urban setting needs a total overhaul. We should not make everything centric to Manila, we can have cities in each regions so that not everyone will need to go to Manila to seek work and opportunities.
#r/fuckcars
Private cars are NOT the real problem. It is the UNEDUCATED “individuals behind the wheel (hired driver or owner)” operating these cars that’s the real culprit.
Example, the zipper line (when present, ughh) along EDSA is there to guide a vehicle operator to stay “within and in the middle” of the lane. However, since singit is so prevalent in driving, it has now been tolerated and begrudgingly accepted in driving culture here. So what does one do? They drive “NOT” in the middle of the lane but more close to either the “right or left side”, making it impossible for cars on another lanes to pass. They’re effectively using TWO lanes. You see this even along SLEX and NLEX. The truth is they think they save an enormous amount of time by not being courteous.
Driving is a mix of both knowledge and courtesy. It is also A PRIVILEGE and NOT a RIGHT. The same with using your “signal light” to change lanes. This does not give you the “Right of way”, rather indicates intention. How did we lose driving courtesy along the way? We lost it gradually in time. When before we used to give way to others, now when so,some gives way, the car originally given the courtesy to pass is suddenly followed by the car behind and the same behind him and so forth. This leaves the operator of the car, who politely gave way to lose respect.
Fast lanes along expressways are no longer observed by those using it believing they’re at the 80 max so let the car behind them wait. This lacks proper education. Two school of thoughts are at work here both at the same time. The rated speed limit which is 80 kph and the so called “overtaking lane”. Yes there is a rated limit BUT since you are a driver/operator, it does not fall upon you to ENFORCE it to others. Therefore, if you are at rated limit and you see from your rear view mirror that someone behind you is coming in FASTER, as a responsible and educated driver , you “give way” by moving to the right and allow the other car (that is “speeding” beyond rated limit) pass then you go back to your lane.
These are only but few actions and situations created by drivers that create chaos. It’s hard at this time to practice driving courtesy with so many not knowing what it entails and not trusting other drivers.
While it is true that It is NOT the GUN that kills BUT PEOPLE holding the gun. Drivers of motorized vehicles need to understand what they operate also has two sides. Originally designed as an”Time Saving” device, when used for its intended purpose is incredibly efficient.
BUT if an uneducated operator gets behind the wheel of any motor vehicle, just like a gun, this can instantly turn into a 2,000 kg + WEAPON.
My solution? Higher fuel tax. The higher the better. Make those private vehicle users pay for the privilege. If you can't, then go to the public transportation like the rest of us.
And stop with the "Fix the public transportation first" BS in this thread. The public transportation is working. It is bad, but we deal with it. If you can't, then pay for the traffic that you cause.
Fuel affects the delivery of basic goods via trucks and it also hits bus and other transit vehicles.
Just tax the private cars directly. Or make them pay for an annual renewal for the right to own and operate a vehicle. For EACH vehicle.
We do already, and motorcycle riders and car owners keep using it against cyclists kesyo nagbabayad naman daw sila ng road tax.
E yung MVUC nila what, 1600 a year? lol. My VAT and ITR probably buys DPWH more cement than that tiny ahh MVUC.
Make it a graduated scale and expand the scale too. Make SUVs cost 40k/yr to register, and smaller sedans and hatches 20k/yr. Allow Kei cars in the country and tax them 5k/yr for if you really need a car in the city. Utility and public transport vehicles get a significantly reduced rate. That's how Japan does it.
Kung sa fuel tax, establish a mechanism for tax rebates for the gas stations kung PUV or utility vehicle ang magpapagas and give them cheaper fuel. Kung gusto, maraming paraan.
They're already trying to increaze mvuc (bill filed). Pero agree, year 2000 pa huling binuo yang rate na yan ngayon lang na revisit uli with an actuall bill.
Fuel tax is the fastest solution. It discourages use of private vehicles in real-time. The annual renewal is a bit long-term solution. As mentioned below, fuel rebates solves your delivery/transit vehicles issues in principle.
One can hope that the tax collected from the private vehicle owners can be used for improving the transportation system. Hope.
Ayan nanaman ang fuckcars crowd na gusto lahat kasama nila magdusa sa basura nating public transpo. Nagpublic transpo ako at umalis ako ng office nang maaga mga 15:00, masmabilis at maskumportable pa rin kung nagmaneho ako. Pinipilit niyo talagang sisihin car owners para gumamit ng public transpo para karamay niyo sa hirap. This is peak crab mentality from this subreddit that supposedly hates it.
I was fairly sure they implemented a ban on single occupant vehicles sa edsa noon just to alleviate the traffic during rush hour. Was right, around Aug of 2018 implemented. Tapos wala din nangyari kasi according to some article nalipat lang yung traffic to C5 and some people "allegedly" offer colorum carpool offering ride for some money to circumvent that ban.
Yun last kasi prob eh. Ayaw nila ng single occupant, ayaw din nila ng carpool. Ke nag colorum yan or hindi, if the objective was to eliminate SOVs, they shoulda just let them. The SOV ban was a bandaid solution anyway
I remember that time they banned carpools. Greatly affected yung Wunder/ Wander app. Initially ang gandang app nun. Met some wonderful neighbor friends thru that app coz we legit did carpools, lahat kami working na kailangan lang ng masasakyan. And the car owner extra money since magisa lang naman siya sa car on the daily. Sadly when they banned carpools, di na nagfly ang movement. Sayang. Could've answered so many problems.
Eto nga. It was cheaper than GrabShare/UberPool too
Yeah. That carpool where car owner sets pricing depending on market demand was really doing well. I met a lot of great people there too.
Highlighting the utter incompetence of our officials. Imagine how much worse traffic got because they cracked down on it
Magandang solusyon yung carpool, pero siyempre, walang ambag for the kupal dyan, kaya na-scrap.
Why was it banned?
Bus/transport operators probably lobbied against it. LTO can’t make money off carpooling.
Damn, thats greedy af. I dont get if its from bus operators though. Its not like they can even service everyone. Its already jampacked during rush hours.
When a policy does not make sense and it does not benefit the majority, you can bet that some group lobbied for it. Example, yung mandate from the government to require employees to reduce work from home and go back to work on-site…nag lobby ang mga real estate developers for that. All the biggest conglomerates have a real estate company or have companies that will benefit from the influx of people going back to working on-site. Sample list: Sy’s - SMDC Gokongwei - RLC Ayala’s - Ayala Land Manny Pangilinan - Metro Pacific Ramon Ang - Skyway/SMC Let us not forget, during the pandemic, working from home proved effective. Traffic improved a lot. Now, we’re back to having the worst rush hour traffic in the world.
Just shows they look for their self interest than the public"s interest.
In the US, it's actually normal to pick up random people as passengers to use the carpool lane. It's called slugging. There's no money involved though.
No shit Sherlock
The number of people who blame jeepneys, motorbikes, and buses and their unruly behavior is pretty high though. They are of course, people who drive private vehicles.
There is no rule that restricts how many cars a person can own. You may add those people who buys a car and just parks right in front of their house and the ***hulugan buying system***. Improving public transportation is the solution to gradually diminish the gap between private car users and commuters.
They seem pretty high because they're the noisy bunch. Sila rin yung majority na nagpapark sa kalsada. Dagdag mo pang sila rin galit sa bike lanes, galit sa bus lanes at sila rin ayaw sa NCAP kasi mahuhuli mga violations nila 🤦♂️ pero super majority talaga ng Pinoy ay commuters. Di lang marunong karamihan bumoto ng mga taong commuters din. Instead we get someone na naaawa sa mga car dealers 🤦♂️
> *pero super majority talaga ng Pinoy ay commuters* the people who have to wait 30+ minutes every rush hour just to ride is probably evidence for that
30+ minutes during rush hour is too quick. MRT rush hour lines can last an hour at North Edsa, Cubao, or Taft. Tapos ka nang mag-stream ng Shogun, hindi ka pa nakakarating sa bababaan mong station.
Yup. Baka sa Edsa madalang na yan pero sa mga smaller streets and roads bopols talaga. Pet peeve ko yung nagiging jeepney terminal yung corner ng intersection. Tapos isahan lang yung lane. Juicecolored!
Saan mo nakuha data mo tungkol sa ano sinisisi ng mga driver dito? Edit: nag tatanong lang saan galing yung data ng statement niya, dowwnvote agad. This subreddit is hopeless.
I think it needed to be said haha dami pa ring "bIkE lAnEs aRe tHe pRoBlEm"/"oThEr vEhIcLeS aRe tHe pRoBlEm" people eh
even the comment gave you headache if post is about cyclist in hellish travel. "iparehistro/lisensya muna bike mo bago karapatan" "tanggalin ang bike lane (insert reason)" "taong-taon kami nag-babayad ng road tax para magamit (insert vehicle) namin tapos kayo hindi, ang kakapal ng pag-mumukha nyo/mo!" and etc. . idk how tf they did get a license.
I'm actually quite glad to see this kasi more often than not IRL ang naririnig ko is "ang liit kasi ng kalsada"
Nakakainis marinig yung "ang liit kasi ng kalsada" bilang excuse sa any traffic solution na hindi road widening.
It's like *water is wet* or *sky is blue* logic
Nung nakaraang semanta santa naging patok ulit tong topic na to, and I swear a lot of redditors dito sa r/ph blamed road infrastructure, lack of public transport, and road width, apparently. Everything but the large number of private cars I guess, because that's what *they're* using.
But people driving private cars is the symptom of the problem. Many people buy cars, motorcycles, etc exactly because our public transport system is shitty. E kung ngayon nga lang, parusa na mag public transpo, paano pa kaya kung hindi na mag kotse o motor yung mga meron?
One factor that probably led to families buying more cars than what they need is due to the number coding system. **Instead of just sticking to one car, families now got two cars,** since one car cannot be used on one specific weekday.
Breaking news!?!!!
First things comes to mind.
Akala ko kasi kulang sa lane saka yung mga ebike ang may kasalanan
PH would be better if we have train stations and train lines along all major roadways. When public transit is superior to private cars then far fewer people would buy one.
Saw this quote before: "A rich country is where the rich take the transit."
Kagulat kala ko dahil sa mga taong naglalakad sa kalye.
So paano mababawasan ang private cars? Improve public transportation. You’re welcome.
Gawing normal ang wfh
Honestly this + remove provincial rates is the best and fastest way to alleviate traffic without need for major infra revamps Get people out of manila and back to their hometowns, and get them to stay at home
Or all three + developing the infrastructure in the provinces to sustain the returning/incoming workers + of course developing IT infrastructure to cope with WFH/Hybrid demand. Though even developing Metro Manila's infrastructure, especially of it involves railways snaking deep into the suburbs and onto rural areas can itself help in developing provincial centers kasi siyempre mas madali mag move out kung me tren. That's how some places in Saitama and Kanagawa prefectures in Japan went from being essentially auxiliary commuter towns for Tokyo, to arguably self-sustaining communities with all the homes and jobs within their own cities. Of course there are other factors but [infra definitely helped](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Densely_Inhabited_District_of_Saitama-shi_1960-.gif#mw-jump-to-license)
I have a feeling that normalisation of Work from Home / Hybrid + a staggered office (for jobs that can't be WFH-able), school, and leisure hours would do wonders for traffic. Good idea na rin yung isang commenter here, provincial rate removal or at least equality with Manila rate. Can't concentrate workers at NCR when the rest of the Philippines provide competitive rates.
+1 Malamang sa malamang, mga professionals pataas ang karamihan sa mga may auto. Almost all professionals want wfh. Exemption lang tlaaga eh yung mga salesman na kailangang pumunta ng point a to point b.
Cause PH is a small island nation pretending to be a US Midwest state. And as much as your suggestion is the right solution, the boys and girls at the seats sadly don't think that way.
Also make the sidewalks actually walkable. An LRT station 10 minutes "walk" away from you isn't going to be more enticing than a car when the path there is actively hostile against pedestrians.
No, knowing them they'll just make it harder for normal, ordinary citizens to get a car. Some hotshot dumbfuck Congressman or Senator will say we need to implement the Singapore model while totally neglecting how easy and pleasant it is to get around Singapore on public transpo. I can fucking feel it.
Singapore model is not ideal; Japanese model would be more preferrable. Just enough regulations to make the car optional not unattainable. It of course comes with the caveat of having convenient and efficient public transport
actually studies show that the best way to reduce private cars is to make it more inconvenient to drive. that means, narrower roads, less car lanes, no contact apprehension, lower speed limits. you can improve public transpo all you want, it can also be best in the world, people will still drive bec they expect everyone ELSE to take public transpo.
Yes. But remove private cars and not improve transit will mean more people will just be miserable in shitty transit. It's carrots and sticks, do both.
As public transport is continued to be improved, regulations in private automobiles should increase. It should be simultaneous so that displaced drivers will have an option of equal convenience and higher efficiency.
Do both and make it a law that lawmakers have to take public transport all the time tapos tanggalin na rin mga special plates nila. Kaya naman panget public transport kasi yung mga dapat nagpapaganda nyan nakakotse na may wangwang. Disincentivize lawmakers to buy cars first kasi kung nahihirapan sila magcocommute edi yun yung aayusin nila.
"But remove private cars and not improve transit will mean more people will just be miserable in shitty transit." Yes it will. By a lot. Back in 2014, kapag walang traffic, my FX ride from Taytay to Makati takes me 30 to 40 minutes. With traffic, it becomes 2 hours one-way. Removing traffic reduces Turn-Around Time ng FX by 67%. In the same amount of time na kapag traffic, 3 times worth ng pasahero nang nadala ng FX to Makati if walang traffic. Multiply that with the dozens of FX, imagine how many yung nadala nila to Makati. Di pa natin sinama mga bus at jeep dito. So yes. Removing private vehicles will surely improve public transpo by a lot. In public transpo, speed and timeliness is king. Without traffic, speed would be great, and timeliness would be a lot more predictable.
Whenever the topic of the coding scheme comes up, I still remember what [Mexico did in 1989.](https://www.jstor.org/stable/3990252) >A ban restricting each car from driving on a specified weekday is found to have increased total driving in Mexico City. Because of the ban, cars effectively represent "driving permits," and some households have bought an additional car and increased their driving. Greater use of old cars, congestion effects, and increased weekend driving may also have contributed to the disappointing results. The ban has high welfare costs and does not deliver the intended benefits of reduced driving-quite the contrary. The experience provides an interesting lesson in applied welfare economics. Theory indicates that this is a costly way of reducing traffic and pollution. But the finding that the strategy is counterproductive could be made only with applied quantitative analysis.
Yes. But there does not need to be one solution. We should both improve public transpo and reduce private car usage. In the other way around, coding was meant to reduce car usage but because of the lack of public transport infrastructure, car users just eventually bought another car. We can reduce and make driving inconvenient all we want, but people will still drive if public transport is still a relatively worse experience.
This was actually done in Paris and it still continues up to this day. The city is very aggressive in removing lanes for cars and transforming it into bike lanes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI-1YNAmWlk
Singapore got narrower roads, less car lanes, no contact apprehension, lower speed limits?
Singapore is not the example you want to pull if you are talking about a non-car centric city.
I hope mag tuloy tuloy na ang pagdagdag ng trains dito at mas mapabilis pa. Tingin ko naman aware ang presidente kasi may recent interview sya na may sinabi sya na “ang mayayaman ay gumagamit ng trains”. Problema kasi ang bagal ng construction, right of way at corruption para mas mapatagal ang pagnakaw nila ng pera ng bayan. Sana magkaron din ng madaming walkable path na may bubong, parks at bike lanes.
This will take a long time and will be expensive. What they can do now is increase the tax to get a car and mahalin ung registration. Do it SG style
Huh? They can implement that because they have a good public transportation system.
making cars expensive doesn’t work, banks will find a financial product to make them affordable. you need to make owning a car expensive, not buying a car. that means higher parking fees, higher insurance premiums, higher maintenance costs, congestion pricing.
Improve public transpo and strictly enforce the law. You'd be surprised gano karaming unregistered cars yung nasa daan. Kung di lang corrupt gobyerno dito, SG's way is also effective place high cost on the registration of the car itself
That will take too long to happen. Might as well as reduce the number of private vehicles sooner or later.
Its too extreme for a band aid solution. Hindi niya ma sosolve yung problema na walang matinong transportation system going in and out of NCR. On going na yung infra projects for that. Airports. Trains. Tech hubs. Industrial parks. Subdivisions. Unti unti nang tinatayo just outside NCR. Accessibility to nearby provinces encourages new or existing big companies to relocate there. Hindi na kailangan magsiksikan dyan sa Metro Manila.
Saan sila sasakay? Sa bus? Bakit sila sasakay doon?
Kasi wala silang choice? And besides, if walang private vehicles, mas mabilis ikot nang lahat ng public transpo natin (except trains). Back in 2014 FX ride from Taytay to Makati without traffic takes me 30 to 40 minutes. With traffic, it becomes 2 hours. If tuloy tuloy na walang traffic, a single FX can carry 3x more passengers for the same amount of time. Multiply that by the numbers of FXs, the number of passengers you've transported would probably overshadow any amount of private vehicles that was transported for the same amount of time. Add mo pa na you have buses and jeeps and other public transport. Wala na, gg na In public transpo, timeliness and speed is king, comfort is secondary. Fix the issue of timeliness and speed, you fix the biggest issue of current public transpo
Yes. I don't care kahit sobrang init at matigas ang upuan. Basta maiksi ang byahe.
Tama. Medyo off din reasoning ni OP. Babawasan mo private vehicles pero di mo aayusin ang public transpo? At least do it simultaneously.
Never said public transportation shouldn't be improved
But you did infer that private vehicles should be reduced. Reduce yung production maybe pero yung currently nasa road na, that seems impediment to some rights lalo na wala namang maayos na public transpo. Although, of course, it's not as easy as black and white to fix this whole traffic thing lalo na yung mga naka upo ay naka private vehicle. Dumadaan pa ng bus lane.
Not gonna happen overnight.
Never said it should happen in an instant. Don't put words in my mouth.
Lol did I put words in your mouth? Are you averse to discourse? Do I need to make my point clear clearer?
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If bawasan mo yung private vehicles, mas mabilis ikot ng PUVs. Take my FX back in 2014 from Taytay to Makati. No traffic? 1 way ride is around 30 to 40 minutes. With traffic? 2 hours. So you're essentially reducing Turn Around Time by 67%. That means, in the same amount of time as current trafficked PUV, makakaikot sya ng 3 times without traffic. That's 3 times more passengers per vehicle. Multiply by the number of PUVs, you just get that whopping multiplier effect. Masyado nating minamaliit yung impact ng reduction of private vehicles na naiisip natin na band aid solution sya. It's not. It's a very practical solution to a complex problem. It's cheap and can be implemented tomorrow.
Problema rin na yung iilan na nagsasabi na better public transportation is the answer, kapag binawasan mga lanes for private cars para palitan ng bus or bike lane, MAGREREKLAMO HAHAHAHA. You can't improve public transpo/active mobility if you won't make it inconvenient to drive a car around.
You likewise cannot blame car owners for choose to drive cars when our public transport is so fractured and broken. Yung mga nasa road, like buses and jeeps, kung saan saan ang pagtigil, walang set schedule, pag maghihintay ng pasahero sobrang tagal. Yung mga rail, sobrang sikip and only services so few locations. I gladly take public transportation when I am abroad, I ride buses, subways, etc and there is no lack of public transport faults abroad, but at the very least, they get some basic things right, which we have yet to do. Payment is generally unified. I use one card to pay for the bus, which I can also use for trains. It's just a simple tap to pay, or sometimes you can even use your credit card and skip the transit card entirely. Things run on schedules, you can see what time which one is supposed to arrive, and they arrive on time most of the time. If there's a delay, you'll know about it. If there's a change in service, you'll know about it. There is also a set place where you get picked up and dropped off. So there you know where to ride, what to ride, and when it arrives. Here, you stand on any random place on the street, and wait and see what comes to you. You have no idea what is coming and when. If in the year 2024, the Philippines hasn't even developed bus stops yet, you can't really complain about private cars
>You likewise cannot blame car owners for choose to drive cars when our public transport is so fractured and broken True lmao
When beepcard was implemented sa bus people complained and it was halted, 3 years later we’re one of the only few countries who didn’t incorporate cashless systems on our public transportation. This country is just not moving forward, at all.
They tried. May mga nagrereklamo kasi maski dito sa reddit na ang beep cards ay designed para sa trains lang daw. It’s a fruitless discussion nga eh. I tried arguing na bakit sa ibang bansa gumagana ang Suica, Octopus Card, T-Card sa lahat ng public transpo even bus pero sa Pilipinas hindi? Sabi lang ay “ano kaugnayan ng ibang bansa sa bus sa Pilipinas”. Like duh? Kung kaya sa ibang bansa iapply yung paraan para magamit ang IC cards, bakit sa Pilipinas hindi? EDIT: Found it. Some redditor said this lol > Beeps cards are good for trains but not on bus rides. Have you observed how long it took for the bus to get out of the carousel stations because the passengers were still lining up in to tap their cards?
Closest things to bus stops yung sa EDSA Carousel na ata and the usual provincial bus terminals in Cubao/Pasay haha
Totoo to. Yung public transport system dapat may system! May designated stops, hindi kung saan saan pwede. Style sa atin e parang lahat taxi. Mapa jeep, bus, UV. Sakay kahit saan, baba kahit saan. Napaka chaotic, at unpredictable ng traffic pag ganyan.
System na maayos, siguro add na rin talaga railway system. Experience ko sa Dubai (which is also a car centric emirate) maganda na may mga designated stops pero since kakaunti yung buses sa ibang parts ng lugar sobrang tagal ng byahe, yung tipong 20mins drive mo lang is 2hrs na commute unlike sa Hong Kong na sobrang nag cocompliment yung railway system sa bus.
Number one talaga para sakin ang rail. Di hamak na mas efficient at sure mababawasan ng malaki ang laman ng roads. Yun nga lang matagal matapos ng mga ganyang projects. Haaaaay.
It will be a long one kasi you do have to factor in the interest of private corporations at mga nakatira sa matatamaan. Just look at MRT-7. Dapat dadaan yan ng Pangarap Village and the village is supposed to be redeveloped into a mixed use district by the Araneta family. Lumaban ang mga taga Pangarap Village at ayun na forced mag realignment ang MRT-7. And by standards, Pangarap Village is what you can consider a shanty settlement lol
Isn’t the PUVMP supposed to do this? IIRC, after vehicle upgrades, the next step is route rationalization. LTFRB and DOTr will coordinate with LGUs for assignment of stops for jeepneys. If true, it’s a long time coming but a step in the right direction
I didn’t know this. I’m all for it anyway. Adding designated stops will just make it a lot better. A step in the right direction indeed. Hopefully the govt wont fold this end of April.
People are going to see this and go "yan kasi kasalanan naman talaga ng mga car drivers" But the cars are just the symptom of the actual causes of traffic First of all, metro manila is overpopulated to an unsustainable degree. That is the first and foremost reason. That is because there are not enough job opportunities and attractive cities outside of metro manila. Nor are there easy ways to commute to metro manila to and from the neighboring areas, which is what some people do in other places where they work in the city center but then live in the surrounding areas outside of it. Everyone lives and works in metro manila. That is the number one main cause of congestion not only for roads, but for public areas, for housing, etc. there are too many people in too small a space
I don't understand why pinepersonal ng tao. One side blames car drivers. The other thinks they're being personally attacked and lash out. Meanwhile car dealers and expressway construction companies are laughing all the way to the bank.
There’s already a lot of people who blame private cars in this thread. Every time traffic problems are brought up in this sub, it’s like monkeys slinging poo at each other. There should be more pressure to the government to create a safe and convenient public transportation, but we are too busy debating on whose fault is it, whether the bike lanes, private cars, the jeepneys, e-trike, etc. Lumalabas nalang talaga ang bias dito sa sub nowadays. Remembering the dog incident, tondo incident, etc.
One other thing. Why is it "someone's fault" and not simply identifying key problems? Identifying that is necessary kasi, since we can't solve it if we don't know what specifically to address. But nagkakaroon ng personal, moral dimension kasi when we see it as "someone's fault"
Finally, someone sensible. Too many people in this sub hate cars because of hasty generalization from 1 negative experience with car drivers. But if they can actually afford a car, watch them choose it over MM's shitty public transpo. They think ALL car owners are devils compared to jeepneys, taxi drivers, and even the unregulated ebikes (known to inhibit emergency vehicles). Galit sa kotse pero sumasakay ng taxi/grab karamihan for sure hahahaha
Nah, it's the shit infrastructure, poor urban planning, lack of public transportation, and shitty corrupt officials/politicians.
This. Why do people use private cars? Because it is better than taking public transpo that we have.
But it doesn't fix the problem obviously. If we all have cars we're gonna be fucked.
Fixing the problem is not the car owner's responsibility. So why blame them?
Not blaming anyone though. Just saying that we are all part of the problem, which can contribute to resolving it.
As a person who doesn't drive and only takes public transpo, I only need to take one look at EDSA from the MRT during rush hour to be thankful I'm taking public transpo. Honestly saludo ako sa mga car owners. Ang solusyon sa trapik dulot ng libu libong kotse sa EDSA...ay magdagdag pa ng isa pang kotse don.
I designed my life to be on one side of Edsa only. Para di ko kailangan gamitin Edsa. Haha
It can be both though. Single occupancy cars make traffic congested kasi it's so space inefficient. You add shit infrastructure and poor urban planning then people are forced to use cars kahit na they cause congestion. It's not one or the other.
Implement Bus transportation within city with proper bus stops? Just like in korea or japan
Beep card nga di natin ma implement properly sa bus and this was during the peak of covid. Kulang lang talaga tayo sa innovation, di gumagalaw.
Baka need lang ng spread of information like pa ulit ulit na ads in every station na beep cards na gamitin to pay. Pero aside from that if may proper bus stop for loading and unloading for these transpo na scheduled, better yata ito to minimize congested traffic. Organization lang talaga.
If you want to drive the point home, minority ang may kotse but they cause majority of the traffic. From [JICA's MUCEP](https://openjicareport.jica.go.jp/pdf/12247623.pdf) study in 2015, only 11.5% of households in GMMA own cars, but from [MMDA's Annual Average Daily Traffic](https://mmda.gov.ph/images/Home/FOI/Annual-Average-Daily-Traffic-AADT/AADT_2023.pdf), private cars form 1.566M of 3.634M vehicles recorded on a daily average. 12% of the population causes 41% of traffic. We're not even talking about load factors and road area taken up yet lol It's a inane environment we've built where the least efficient mode of transport is the sanest, and the majority that depend on public transit get their transit culled and told to pound sand. Oh yeah, [bonus clip of the MMDA head being completely allergic to a decent sidewalk because grumble grumble car dealers and edsa width](https://www.rappler.com/nation/metro-manila/mmda-clearer-guidelines-e-bikes-tricycles-restriction/). It's worse when you find out both are still accommodated for post-project (EDSA doesn't lose lanes, dealers still have frontage access besides road access behind their lots) and Artes (a lawyer) insinuates Rob Siy (an urban planner) doesn't know anything about urban planning. lol
>12% of the population causes 41% of traffic MMDA: But what about the ~car dealerships~?? Wawa naman sila uwu 👉👈
Nakakatawa lang, they made the number coding para mabawasan sasakyan and para fair daw. Pero 99% bumili ng 2nd and 3rd na sasakyan.
So as a result, middle class na naman ang tinamaan, along with the higher taxes on cars.
Vehicle tax . Congestion pricing in edsa. Wfh Articulated buses in skyway system Abolish bicycle lane ang convert it to motorcycle lane
> Vehicle tax There is already that. Wag nalang natin pagusapan kung paano nagmura ang mga luxury cars ng mga politiko dahil sa bagong excise tax sa cars. Like kawawa naman ang mga politiko diba? What about their bulletproof Land Cruisers! /s >Abolish bicycle lane ang convert it to motorcycle lane No. Bicycle lanes are a step in the right direction. Not only is it environmentally friendly, it also requires minimal space as compared to a motorcycle. Why not instead of promoting motorcycle usage, promote the use of e-bicycles. See those e-bicycles in BGC? Why not promote that? >Articulated buses in skyway system This is more on SMC if they will allow it. Not even all Class 3 vehicles are allowed in Skyway after that flying busses incident way back.
Agree with this. Congestion pricing during rush hours.
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Plus Big Oil Companies, I've watched a video detailing how oil company encourage to sell cheaper cars in Africa and Asia. [Climate Town](https://youtu.be/aT0r_yJafmg?feature=shared&t=491) covered how oil is going to consume in Global South
Copy paste from previous comments "Ito yung mga taong pinepersonal yung criticism against cars. Dude, andaming taong de kotse na naiintindihan na minsan napilitan lang sila dahil sa kapalpakan ng infra at transpo sa atin. Alam din nila na kaya ang hassle bumiyahe dahil prioritized ang mga kotse at de kotse. Di mo kailangan mainis. Liban nalang siguro kung naniniwala kang kotse naman talaga dapat ang priority. In which case I'll get why you're annoyed. But also it means you're opposed to the welfare of the majority. Liban na rin kung basta nagkakotse na, di ka na rin susuporta sa mass transit reforms. "
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Don't tell em. I got a good laugh at my coworkers that I see along edsa while my buss just speeding away.
daming kups car owners so definitelty r/fuckcars
r/fuckcarsph
Of course yan pero hindi kaya domino effect na ang lahat. Hindi ko nagegets na lahat na lang may galit sa bawat sasakyan. Lahat na lang dapat ipagbawal. Hindi kaya dahil nasobrahan yung pag regulate ng pag allow natin sa mga ibang transportation like jeeps and tricycles to the point na di na tayo nakapag focus gumawa ng side walk at trains? Isipin mo kung onti lang ganon natin. Alam ng gobyerno na mag wawala ang mga tao dahil don but because may choice naman tayo okay lang ang goverment na di na yan ayusin. Itong pag babawal sa mga motor, pag momodern ng jeep, pagbabawal ng ebike, pag tanggal ng bike lane or pag reregulate sa private cars. Band aid solution lang naman yan eh. Tingin niyo ba talaga 80 percent ng mga tao pipiliin mag drive ng sarili nila ebike or any cars kesa umupo sa mabilis at comfortableng sasakyan? Itong away sa bawat uri ng kotse walang sense. Bakit naman yung ibang bansa na mas malala pa sa korupsyon may maayos na train.
well this is a car loving country so yes thats true.
People are quick to argue that the public transportation is crap, which is true, but nobody is mentioning that owning a car is pretty much ingrained among Filipinos. It's almost a goal that needs to be achieved, a status symbol. Once they have the means to get one, they'll definitely take the opportunity because of the status it holds and comfort it provides.
Nah, it's the bikeline according to carbrains
Don’t forget the EVs. And the pedestrian lanes.
No, root cause is man being evil corrupt
Galit na galit sa traffic. Hirap daw magcommute. Pero nagsibili ng kotse. Yucky mindset. Daming ganyan eh.
Logical naman mahirap magcommute kaya bumili ng kotse para maskumportable. Ano yucky doon kung may pambili o inggit ka lang na wala kang pambili?
may pambili ako FYI. Di ako inggit na maging isa sa mga nagiging problema ngayon. Yucky kasi galit kayo sa hirap ng pagcommute pero ang WA is maging part ng problema. Yan ang yucky
Hindi pa ba alam ng lahat 'yan?
Dapat iimprove yung public transpo para kahit yung afford mag-kotse, mas pipiliing mag-commute na lang. Marami sa mga nakakotse na yan, napilitan lang din mag-adhika ng sariling sasakyan dahil impyerno mag-commute sa Maynila. Kung okay ang public transpo, parang mas masarap magcommute na lang after ng mahabang trabaho kesa yung stressed ka na nga sa work tas magdadrive ka pa at maiipit sa traffic pauwi.
"You are not stuck in traffic. You are traffic" - me.
The government can impose all these rules limiting people from using/buying vehicles but it still won't solve the traffic problem. The only real solution to this problem is by reducing the roads that private cars can use and allocating them instead to public transportation and sustainable transportation.
Duh
Ah akala ko kakulangan ng decent public transpo.
There is a correlation. Bad public transportation will lead to more people who can afford a car to buy a car rather than wait in line for a public transport. Leading to more traffic Want a developed country example? Naha in Okinawa Eventually the root cause will always be bad urban planning. Some genius at the Marcos Sr. Administration was totally sold on World Bank’s idea of Jeepneys being the primary public transport. Whereas on JICA report, they suggested 5 main heavy rail.
Oh marami ng mga private car, sana huminto na ang iba jan sa pagsisi sa mga jeep at ibang public transport
Huwag na din sila magdala ng sasakyan. Magbus, lrt at jeep na lang lahat.
Thanks for stating the obvious, captain OBVIOUS.
Part and parcel of more population, and so more cars, as there are more people with the money for them. In my experience people still prefer cars even when decent public transport is available, for the 'convenience'. They waited a long time to get their cars and want to use them. How to manage that aspect is a real problem faced around the world.
Sa NCR, 12 percent lang ng households ang may kotse. Yun lang sapat na ma clog mga kalsada natin. Yung sinabi mo sa second part is the reason why making car use harder and more expensive is the way forward. Ideally, funds gained from that will be used to improve transit.
Wow. Cars cause traffic. I never knew.
As obvious as this thing is most Filipinos don't believe it. They will always blame jeepneys and buses, including those who do not own cars, can't afford Grab and whose primary mode of transportation are, well, jeepneys and buses.
Most private car owners are middle class. Gawin narin kasing requirement na dapat may garahe ka kapag may sasakyan. Tignan mo babagsak yan
Id say the main reason is poor urban planning
Daling magsalita pag wala kayong sasakyan noh? 😆 Pero public transportation infrastructure ang root cause para sakin.
decongest metro manila. Start by relocating the national capital to western Visayas. Indonesia is doing it, why can't Philippines do it? That new senate building in BGC is going to be a huge waste of taxpayer's money
One way to look at it, hindi developed ang nearby provinces ng Metro Manila? Last holy week diba, tuwang tuwa nung walang traffic ang Edsa etc. since nasa bakasyunan or umuwi mga tao sa province.
Hot damn.. Kala ko dahil sa mga naglalako
Genuine question. What if walang color/number coding? Tbh, if wala yan for sure 2 cars lang kami. We have 4 now. 2 cars kasi same day ang coding. Ang hassle lang. naghhelp ba talaga yun?
Meron o wala, ganun din naman na ang nangyayari. Yung mga taong di naman dapat nasa lansangan sa araw na yun e nasa lansangan pa rin, kinaiba lang e ibang sasakyan ang gamit.
Hindi papansinin ng gobyerno 'to kasi karamihan sa kanila if not may mamahaling sasakyan, may Investment to some major car manufacturer, or even Grab
Also, the sky is blue.
no shit! sumasakit na katawan ko kada gising sa umaga hindi pa rin nag improve mass transpo sa pinas. ano ineexpect niyo maging solution ng bawat pinoy? ang bobo niyo lang talaga dahil nun pandemic lahat ng pwede i-WFH naka WFH tapos yung state ng commute nun para sa mga kailangan naka on site ay mahirap at matrapaik pa rin. tapos ngayon ni-require niyo bumalik mga tao sa opis kasi nababawasan kita niyo ano inaasahan mangyari sa traffic.
No shit
Maiibsan lang ang traffic sa Metro Manila kung merong effective and efficient public mass transport system. Imagine if convenient lang magcommute around Metro, people from all walks of life will definitely choose public mass transport over driving their own cars. Haissst pero kailan kaya mangyayari yan?
Surprised pikachu face
Ipagbawal na kasi ang hulugan system
Malinaw naman ang mga solution e. Expand public transportation capacity. Make bike transport safer and more viable. Incentivize WFH arrangements. Tutuklawin na sila sa tumbong nila kung ahas itong mga ito.
Ngek. Is it the private cars or ultimately the lack of urban planning. Kung efficient lang ang mass transpo natin at ang mga kalye ay designed for maximum efficiency, hindi traffic. It is more expensive to own a car. But people buy cars because they can see that the cost of maintaining a car outweighs the negative aspects of dealing with commute.
and yet, i will still get downvoted here for suggesting to adopt Singapore's COE system. elitist daw. lmao.
COE?
Certificate of Entitlement.. having car plate is bidding system and heavily regulated. A Toyota vios in Singapore is 4 million pesos. This only works if public transport system is very good and efficient
and if the country is as small as Singapore.
nope. not just small.. the keywords are "Efficient transport system". Having a private car is just a luxury or optional. when you can travel from Point A to B in 15-30 mins at most and On time bus schedule
certificate of entitlement (registration) . bidding ang pagkakaron ng rehistro. limitado lang ang pwede ma rehistro. so kontrolado ang numero ng mga sasakyan na lalabas sa kalsada.
It's the direct cause, just like saying high prices cause inflation. The followup question is why are so many private cars plying our roads, is it because alternatives for transport are just not tolerable for most Filipinos.
🤯
Duh
And water is wet.
Ako lang ba o ang cause ng traffic ay yung non stop building of condos. Not the building itself but the density of population it creates. 2 Lane Street tapos tabi tabi 25 level condos.
I'd rather take private cars any day, imagine sitting next to someone on a jeep who doesn't bathe in weeks. i can still smell his stinky ahh teeth .
Sobrang dami nang kotse dahil sa palpak na public transport. Tinigil yung PNR for rehabilitation, Jeepney Modernization na hindi naman maumpisahan dahil sa welga dito welga doon, binablock pa yung traffic imbes na dun sila sa Malacañang magwelga. Bus na nag-iba ang routes. Kaya hindi ko masisi yung mga kababayan natin na bumili ng sariling kotse at motor.
The rise of number of private cars is not the root cause it is a result of the root cause. So outright banning it or restricting private car ownership is like cutting wild grass but not uprooting it. There has to be a better way of tackling this problem.
#Total Ban of Cars! #If not possible, then Impose higher taxes to private vehicles, and use it to improve public transportation, make better bike lanes and pedestrian lanes. #Also, our urban setting needs a total overhaul. We should not make everything centric to Manila, we can have cities in each regions so that not everyone will need to go to Manila to seek work and opportunities. #r/fuckcars
nope, its bad public transportation that's why people are getting cars. fix that and all is well
Private cars are NOT the real problem. It is the UNEDUCATED “individuals behind the wheel (hired driver or owner)” operating these cars that’s the real culprit. Example, the zipper line (when present, ughh) along EDSA is there to guide a vehicle operator to stay “within and in the middle” of the lane. However, since singit is so prevalent in driving, it has now been tolerated and begrudgingly accepted in driving culture here. So what does one do? They drive “NOT” in the middle of the lane but more close to either the “right or left side”, making it impossible for cars on another lanes to pass. They’re effectively using TWO lanes. You see this even along SLEX and NLEX. The truth is they think they save an enormous amount of time by not being courteous. Driving is a mix of both knowledge and courtesy. It is also A PRIVILEGE and NOT a RIGHT. The same with using your “signal light” to change lanes. This does not give you the “Right of way”, rather indicates intention. How did we lose driving courtesy along the way? We lost it gradually in time. When before we used to give way to others, now when so,some gives way, the car originally given the courtesy to pass is suddenly followed by the car behind and the same behind him and so forth. This leaves the operator of the car, who politely gave way to lose respect. Fast lanes along expressways are no longer observed by those using it believing they’re at the 80 max so let the car behind them wait. This lacks proper education. Two school of thoughts are at work here both at the same time. The rated speed limit which is 80 kph and the so called “overtaking lane”. Yes there is a rated limit BUT since you are a driver/operator, it does not fall upon you to ENFORCE it to others. Therefore, if you are at rated limit and you see from your rear view mirror that someone behind you is coming in FASTER, as a responsible and educated driver , you “give way” by moving to the right and allow the other car (that is “speeding” beyond rated limit) pass then you go back to your lane. These are only but few actions and situations created by drivers that create chaos. It’s hard at this time to practice driving courtesy with so many not knowing what it entails and not trusting other drivers. While it is true that It is NOT the GUN that kills BUT PEOPLE holding the gun. Drivers of motorized vehicles need to understand what they operate also has two sides. Originally designed as an”Time Saving” device, when used for its intended purpose is incredibly efficient. BUT if an uneducated operator gets behind the wheel of any motor vehicle, just like a gun, this can instantly turn into a 2,000 kg + WEAPON.
PLEASE BRO JUST ONE MORE LANE BRO PLEASE BRO PLEASE BRO I PROMISE IT WILL SOLVE TRAFFIC
Lakas ng carpium
My solution? Higher fuel tax. The higher the better. Make those private vehicle users pay for the privilege. If you can't, then go to the public transportation like the rest of us. And stop with the "Fix the public transportation first" BS in this thread. The public transportation is working. It is bad, but we deal with it. If you can't, then pay for the traffic that you cause.
Fuel affects the delivery of basic goods via trucks and it also hits bus and other transit vehicles. Just tax the private cars directly. Or make them pay for an annual renewal for the right to own and operate a vehicle. For EACH vehicle.
We do already, and motorcycle riders and car owners keep using it against cyclists kesyo nagbabayad naman daw sila ng road tax. E yung MVUC nila what, 1600 a year? lol. My VAT and ITR probably buys DPWH more cement than that tiny ahh MVUC. Make it a graduated scale and expand the scale too. Make SUVs cost 40k/yr to register, and smaller sedans and hatches 20k/yr. Allow Kei cars in the country and tax them 5k/yr for if you really need a car in the city. Utility and public transport vehicles get a significantly reduced rate. That's how Japan does it. Kung sa fuel tax, establish a mechanism for tax rebates for the gas stations kung PUV or utility vehicle ang magpapagas and give them cheaper fuel. Kung gusto, maraming paraan.
They're already trying to increaze mvuc (bill filed). Pero agree, year 2000 pa huling binuo yang rate na yan ngayon lang na revisit uli with an actuall bill.
Fuel tax is the fastest solution. It discourages use of private vehicles in real-time. The annual renewal is a bit long-term solution. As mentioned below, fuel rebates solves your delivery/transit vehicles issues in principle. One can hope that the tax collected from the private vehicle owners can be used for improving the transportation system. Hope.
I find it hilarious that they think the solution to carmaggedon...is to add one more car to the mix.
Ya think?
in other news: the sun is the cause of the heat and the light during the day time.
Pretends to be shocked.
Duh.
Malamang. Lol
Nope! The absence of efficient mass transpo is the real cause.
Ayan nanaman ang fuckcars crowd na gusto lahat kasama nila magdusa sa basura nating public transpo. Nagpublic transpo ako at umalis ako ng office nang maaga mga 15:00, masmabilis at maskumportable pa rin kung nagmaneho ako. Pinipilit niyo talagang sisihin car owners para gumamit ng public transpo para karamay niyo sa hirap. This is peak crab mentality from this subreddit that supposedly hates it.
No shit, Sherlock!
Well alam na nila yung problema. May gagawin ba ang government? Syempre wala.