Because Russia did it and the only political hot topics are Russia/Ukraine, inflation, and Trump's secret stamp collection of classified documents. And they're all old hat now, so any new angle will get attention.
It's all the more blood boiling that he signed away women's rights and sports on day 1 stating that men claiming to be women should be able to compete in women's sport effectively destroying women's sport. Which women had to fight hard for btw.
But for drafting suddenly those same blokes are blokes again.
So he clearly does not believe it and just thinks women are third rate citizens that are there to breed and otherwise just can go fuck themselves.
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TBF, as someone who voluntarily served, all you have to say at MEPS is that you have allergies/asthma/GERD/Heart Palpitations and they'll send you back home.
I personally have allergies and asthma, and I had to get written waivers from THREE doctors to be allowed to enlist in the Navy. So, just because someone gets called to enlist, doesn't necessarily mean they will be able to.
We also haven't done a draft since the 70s. On the other hand, recruitment is way way down as of late. I wonder if people are starting to figure out there's a lot of unnecessarily shitty bullshit that goes along with serving that doesn't need to be there? Or they kept slashing incentives for years.
I enlisted in '07, during the housing market crash. I couldn't find work as a bagger at my local grocery. So, Uncle Sam was one of the only options for a high school graduate.
Generally, when the economy is doing poorly, the military is doing well. When the economy starts to pick back up, the military starts to do poorly.
All in all, less than 1% of the US's population makes up the actual military, and over half I'm guessing are between the ages of 18 and 24. (I was 18 when I first joined).
And its not all doom and gloom. I can only speak for the Navy (because that was my branch) But we had Air conditioning, good food to eat, movies to watch, games to play. I'm really big into Magic the Gathering because a lot (and i mean ALOT) of people on my ship was into it. We also get our own personal rooms when we are at shore\*, don't have to pay taxes on most goods like appliances, electronics, food and clothes\*\* and usually only have to work from 8a to 3pm\*\*\*
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As for right now. I used my GI bill to get my 2 yr degree, got a job in IT. I'm very happy now, I really didn't like the Navy, so I only did my 4 years and got out.
You guys are cheering but don't realize that transgenderism is just going to be one of those things that will only apply or not apply whenever it is convenient for pur government.
I mean I am all for sarcasm and bashing the government but there's a lot of things that are highly independent of what the government thinks. Sure they can try to attack truth and logic but they can't win that fight.
its just that everyone is pretending that trans people are whatever gender they identify with, but we dont really think they are.
Its just not worth the backlash of arguing with people with gender disphoria and the violent lobby behind them.
Same here. I owe trans people the basic respect that I would give to any human being. I don't owe them feeling attracted to them, and that doesn't make me a cancelation-deserving piece of shit transphobe.
Less than about 0.02% has GD (or GID).
However apparently all of a sudden there was about 1.8% according to surveys in 2017 ...
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20502877.2022.2088048
>The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) gives expected prevalence rates of gender dysphoria at 0.005% to 0.014% of the population for natal males, and 0.002% to 0.003% for natal females, based on referrals for GD in 2013 (American Psychiatric Association 2013).
>However, a survey of teenagers in 2017 (Centers for Disease Control 2017) showed that 1.8% of high school children in the U.S.A. in that year identified as transgender. This is at least 200 times the prevalence stated in DSM-5
DSM-5
https://doi.org/10.1176/appi.books.9780890425596
CDC Survey
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6803a3.htm
You're citing the stat on people with actual gender dysphoria.
Now days, you've got plenty of narcissists, edge lords, celebs needing a popularity boost, confused and manipulated kids, "Reddit mods", and straight up transtrenders all claiming they're trans left and right without the actual gender dysphoria.
Not to mention, if a draft comes up being trans gets you out of the draft, you're going have a bunch of "Cpl Klinger's" popping up.
The distinction should be the emphasis of the topic. Genuine gender dysphoria sufferers who can live a more comfortable life (putting in the effort to blend in, because standing out in no way helps with the anxiety associated with it) verses drag Queens, non-binary hipsters, and delusional (or self aware) transvestites who enjoy being controversial and the attention from that controversy.
>The distinction should be the emphasis of the topic.
The distinction, and the sheer *disparity* in the numbers. The next generation has something like 15-20% as identifying as LGBT in some way, quadrupling the numbers from previous generations.
Personally I don’t think so.
My biggest guess is with the increased role of the US military in world affairs, a draft just means there are too many fronts to man with current numbers. So like, let’s say WWIII breaks out and there’s a front in Russia, China, and Iran. That’s probably gonna take up all of our manpower, and recruiting will only replace losses. What happens is something gets fucky in like Brazil and we need a force there? That’s when the draft comes in. We don’t need the raw numbers like we used to, but sometimes you do just get stretched too thin.
I cannot conceive of a modern scenario that involves a US military front crucial enough for a draft, which is total political suicide for the sitting administration post-Vietnam, without an *extremely* effective casus belli. And in this age, that means nukes. If there wasn’t a draft after 9/11, there won’t be another one again unless we are on the verge of foreign invasion. And at that point, we might as well be talking nukes anyways. We’ve entered a new era of mutually assured destruction, and nothing that *actually* matters to the major powers will be given up without exchange of nuclear weapons.
Post 9/11 we were fighting two low level wars with infantry which combined killed about as many people as the Mexican-American War. Even a conventional WWIII easily kills tens of thousands unless China really is as shit as Russia.
I’m not saying the draft is likely, even in WWIII honestly, but even without nukes it’s never off the table
The US military currently operates under the ability to operate under two or even three major wars and several minor wars simultaneously.
Of the 24 operational aircraft carriers, the US operates 11. China, India, Italy, and the UK are tied for second place with 2.
The US has something like the same number of military aircraft (all branches) as the next five or six largest nations combined.
US fighter jets and are also something like 20 years ahead of our likely adversaries. We’ve been operating fifth generation fighters for like 20 years, and about to roll on the 6th generation in the next 10 - as they’re just delivering less successful fifth gen counterparts.
The US military is absolutely unrivaled. Boots on the ground is irrelevant in modern warfare - you can see as much with the Ukrainian conflict how irrelevant the number of foot soldiers is compared to the quality and strength of technology they control. On top of that, the soldiers we do have are trained to use it to its maximum potential.
Even the aircraft carriers number is a bit of a misnomer, since you're putting something like HMS Queen Elizabeth up with a Nimitz. It's difficult to compare anything to a Nimitz, and the US operates ten of the things.
And they did all that with barely any resources. They were rationing war material since basically the start of the war.
Imagine what those crazy bastards could do if they had the "Arsenal of Democracy" supplying them.
Boots on the ground is definitely relevant in modern warfare.
It depends of course on what the strategic goal is, but you do need a strong ground presence if your goal is more than just "bomb infrastructure and exposed targets into oblivion."
Which nations could we fight which would allow us to do that?
Russia?
They might actually start a nuclear war if we went that far.
China?
Same deal, and we would be screwing over our own economy over such a conflict - a conflict China does not want.
A less developed nation, but which we want to invade for whatever reason?
Well, we saw what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan - we took out exposed military assets very quickly then spent years bogged down, in the end not managing to accomplish long-term control.
Our military is unrivaled, but frankly I'm not so sure about how it actually could ever be "used." Our military being so powerful is primarily useful as a deterrent to the possibility of World War 3 occurring - because if World War 3 ever "did" occur, it probably will devolve into nuclear warfare at least on a "limited" scale. Which would be hell.
Current events also show us that a non nuclear war with Russia would be a joke, so we'd need at least 2 fronts on top of that to get into draft territory.
While all that is true, none of that accounts for the fact that maybe we can get in a grinding war in the Korean Peninsula, where terrain makes moving quickly hard and massed firepower with strong anti-air defenses (as well as North Korean preparations since the 60’s) would make any war an absolute slog as well as a costly nightmare. Should North Korea get involved in a possible WWIII, this is now our life.
At a certain point even if we’re super dominant in every measurable factor we’d still be on the offensive against dug in, and quite possibly well equipped foes who are more than willing to just kill as many of us as possible with little regard for their own lives. That’s gonna grind up men, and any other fronts will accordingly be hurting for manpower.
A draft isn’t likely, but even in a conventional war a few fronts with one being fairly bloody and slow will make it far more likely
Or that someone fucked up hard.
A localized non-nuclear conflict is still a possibility. The thing is no on truly *wants* it because even at a minimum it means hundreds of thousands of troops involved for each side with the possibility of millions more *and* nuclear escalation at *any* point in the process (beginning, during, end of war/conflict).
The greatest political mockery in recent times was the US government that felt the need to institute a draft for the Vietnam “””””war””””” that was never declared by Congress or ever officially designated as an actual war because they were too worried about the diplomatic consequences. Clearly if the situation is not dire enough to declare war, it is not dire enough for a draft. What a fucking joke.
Not an expert on draft law, but even if they're not explicitly exempt, they'd almost all be above the age bracket for draft selection. Seems kind of unfair when they are the ones sending young men to die.
They shouldn’t be allowed to circumvent the draft for their children or other cronies children. If we have a draft (which I do not want) it should be unavoidable, you shouldn’t be able to weasel out just because you’re a senator’s son.
I'm bi so I might not count.
If we're drafting every capable adult should be a candidate regardless of sex, gender, occupation, or affiliation.
If we're at the point where we need to draft civilians we're at a point where anyone with hands, feet, and an ability to do tasks should be eligible.
Also fuck the draft.
Downvote me for being sexist if you want but this is the honest truth: if things are bad enough that we're instituting a draft, then things are bad enough that we do not need to waste time and resources drafting women. The percentage of women in the US who would be fit for service would be extremely low and not worth worrying about.
EDIT: I am getting a lot of responses that boil down to either "women could be drafted for non-combat roles" or "most men are also not fit for service", and while there is definitely some validity to both of these arguments, it is still not a good idea for the military to draft women. Rather than adress these comments individually I've decided to do it here in one big edit. Also, I'd like it noted that I was an active duty Army combat engineer for four and a half years. I got out in 2021, was a civilian for a bit, and just joined the reserve a few months ago, so I'm currently in the Army right now. I'm not a defense expert, but I do have a greater insight as to the internal machinations of the military than most.
Training and equipping soldiers is expensive. When I went through training to be a combat engineer at Fort Leonard Wood I was informed that the cost of training for each engineer was over half a million dollars. During peacetime this is trivial. The government has a virtually unlimited amount of time and resources, and a half a million is nothing to the Pentagon, but during wartime, where a draft would be implemented, time and money suddenly become precious commodities. It only makes sense to draft people who are likely to be worth the time and money invested in them, and men are significantly more likely to come out the end of the training pipeline as a combat effective soldier. Sure, there are definitely some Lyudmila Pavlichenko's out there ready to stack bodies, but they are few and far between, and if they want the can always volunteer. And yes, we could theoretically draft women specifically for non-combat roles, but that isn't a good idea for several reasons. Reason number one is that you really don't need to draft for relatively safe support roles in wartime, because they fill up with volunteers trying to beat the draft. You are drafting for meat to throw into the grinder, not for desk jockeys. Also the military (or at least the Army and Marine Corps, idk much about the other branches) expects all of its troops to be capable of filling infantry roles and performing infantry maneuvers with a baseline level of competence if the need arises. Even non-combat MOS's are expected to be able to do this, and it is significantly more physically demanding to run up hills and through vegetation wearing a full kit and carrying a full combat loadout than the average civilian realizes. Anyone who thinks all it takes to be combat effective is the ability to hold a gun a pull a trigger is woefully uninformed about what the job actually requires. And thirdly, even in wartime we still need civilians to work in factories and produce material and food and whatnot. Trying to hoover up every single person between the ages of 18 and 35 and press them into service would be counterproductive to the war effort.
I said this on a discord server and instantly got banned lel
its just the truth, the purpose of the draft isn’t to pursue gender equality, it’s to find people able to fight quickly, which the majority of women aren’t. Treating it like anything else is just stupid
> it’s to find people able to fight quickly, which the majority of women aren’t
There's an infinity of shit to do in a war that a woman can do. Logistics (carrying shit and driving cars) / bureaucracy / maintaining stuff / and other stuff like that.
The part that 'requires a man', as in running around in heavy gear and shooting people or being able to carry your wounded friend and so on, is a pretty small portion of what needs to be done.
The biggest problem is the extra costs that come from having to stop the women from being raped/assaulted (so separate accommodation, and toilets and showers etc.), and
the extra hygiene requirements.
Those rolls get filled quickly by people trying to beat the draft. That's not what you're drafting for. You're drafting for meat to throw into the grinder.
If what you meant by “fit for service” means not obese, [that’s a shared thing between both men and women.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-cqPfoZZ6ITseDupKxrCNbjcJhynU-8ptbQ&usqp=CAU)
1/3 the entire population already out just in this step
Screening for obesity is cheap and quick. Just have them walk through a cattle crush and if they don’t get stuck they’re good to go.
Everything else requires time-consuming testing and examination.
>I'm tryna make money not die In a war I have no beef in
Why not just sell off all your spoils of war? The ruski's are hiding their gold plated AK's somewhere
You don’t even need to sell weapons. [Regular basic shit can be extremely profitable as well.](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-07-30-vw-18804-story.html) I think there was a dude at one point who sold dried spaghetti to the military for $15,000 a pop.
This is just stupid, nobody wants to itemize the price of everything so they just cut the price between all of them equally, which makes silly results but it doesn't mean that a toilet seat actually costs $640, it just means that *every* part on the plane is worth 640
Don't worry lib right, they don't draft 14 year olds, and he'll be dead before you're 18.
(CIA: I am not threatening the life of your Very Very Old President, merely noting he is Very Very Old, and Very Very Old people die quicker than those of us who are not Very Very Old. Had you elected someone less Very Very Old, I would not be saying these things)
Gen Z after voting blue no matter who, Next thing you know you got Uncle Sam’s ass askin to join the army or what you’ll do for their navy. You just a baby gettin recruited at 18. You on a plane now eatin their food and their baked beans. I’m 28, they gon take you before they take me.
Real equality: No draft or anyone can be drafted.
Same with laws against being topless - idgaf but keep them equal. Make shit equal and fix the bathroom stall gaps and gender won't matter. Fuck it.
fellas switch teams is no longer an option
Moon, astronaut, gun, corporal Klinger... Never was.
It didn't work for Clinger.
Poor klinger, he's NEVER getting out of korea
well it’s not like the enemy team has any semblance of competence to it.
draft chris chan china immediately either sues for peace or accuses of of the worst of war crimes
Unironic weaponized autism
Fucking your own mother has to be a war crime.
Or the end of a Greek Hero's story. The line between war criminal and hero all depends on who tells the story.
Greeks will always be pro-war crime, especially against Turks.
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Trans debate aside, I do not like how often I have been seeing stories about the draft.
Agreed. Why is it coming up so much if we have nothing to worry about?
Because Russia did it and the only political hot topics are Russia/Ukraine, inflation, and Trump's secret stamp collection of classified documents. And they're all old hat now, so any new angle will get attention.
> Trump’s secret Tramp collection. FTFY fam.
Because people are worrying about it.
Biden admin says trans women aren’t actually women.
"No malarkey, Jack!"
Maybe this biden guy isn't so bad after all
Biden is based whenever Kamala lets him off his leash. The only time he’s ever cringe is when the democrats have their fists up his ass
I don't think Biden has the mental fortitude anymore to realize wether someone else stuck a fist on his ass or if it was just himself.
Yeah but when his brain cells randomly connect and he flashes back to 1962 it’s really funny
I can't wait for him to start dropping some more hard Rs...
Only a matter of time.
How many times has the White House had to walk back comments from Biden now? Whoever is in charge, it isn't Biden lol.
It's all the more blood boiling that he signed away women's rights and sports on day 1 stating that men claiming to be women should be able to compete in women's sport effectively destroying women's sport. Which women had to fight hard for btw. But for drafting suddenly those same blokes are blokes again. So he clearly does not believe it and just thinks women are third rate citizens that are there to breed and otherwise just can go fuck themselves.
Maybe I judged this Biden guy too harshly…. 🤔
Ultra conservatives 🤝 ultra liberals Hating women and treating them as lesser people in favor of men
Instead of mocking him you should support him, that will increase the chances of Democrats saying something based and that is in everyone's interest.
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Congress trying not to violate the Constitution challenge (impossible)
"You there! You're violating federal law and must register for selective service!" "But sir! The yellow highlighter Redditor said 'nuh uh'!"
TBF, as someone who voluntarily served, all you have to say at MEPS is that you have allergies/asthma/GERD/Heart Palpitations and they'll send you back home. I personally have allergies and asthma, and I had to get written waivers from THREE doctors to be allowed to enlist in the Navy. So, just because someone gets called to enlist, doesn't necessarily mean they will be able to.
We also haven't done a draft since the 70s. On the other hand, recruitment is way way down as of late. I wonder if people are starting to figure out there's a lot of unnecessarily shitty bullshit that goes along with serving that doesn't need to be there? Or they kept slashing incentives for years.
I enlisted in '07, during the housing market crash. I couldn't find work as a bagger at my local grocery. So, Uncle Sam was one of the only options for a high school graduate. Generally, when the economy is doing poorly, the military is doing well. When the economy starts to pick back up, the military starts to do poorly. All in all, less than 1% of the US's population makes up the actual military, and over half I'm guessing are between the ages of 18 and 24. (I was 18 when I first joined). And its not all doom and gloom. I can only speak for the Navy (because that was my branch) But we had Air conditioning, good food to eat, movies to watch, games to play. I'm really big into Magic the Gathering because a lot (and i mean ALOT) of people on my ship was into it. We also get our own personal rooms when we are at shore\*, don't have to pay taxes on most goods like appliances, electronics, food and clothes\*\* and usually only have to work from 8a to 3pm\*\*\* \*(Payrate E4 and above only, and if you're not a shitty person) \*\*(If you shop at the military AAFEES or Exchange) \*\*\*(Unless your department says otherwise, lol) As for right now. I used my GI bill to get my 2 yr degree, got a job in IT. I'm very happy now, I really didn't like the Navy, so I only did my 4 years and got out.
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Put me in the screenshot
Another authright is with internet Jesus now after getting nuked from existence by the sensitive admins :(
Now listen here Jack I love a woman with a penis
I agree with the president.
See you guys in the AHS screenshot
You guys are cheering but don't realize that transgenderism is just going to be one of those things that will only apply or not apply whenever it is convenient for pur government.
>one of those things Implying this isn't the case for all things
I mean I am all for sarcasm and bashing the government but there's a lot of things that are highly independent of what the government thinks. Sure they can try to attack truth and logic but they can't win that fight.
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Yeah thats why I chose my words carefully and didn't say "common sense" and "justice"
Selective enforcement
So that's why it's called *selective* service... Huh.
Isn't that all things with our government?
Shh dont tell the goth kids they aren't really vampires! They'll get triggered and put on more The Cure albums
Cringe telling the goth kids they're not vampires vs Chad putting a wooden stake through their hearts (I hate the antichrist)
South Park cleared this up like 10 years ago
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its just that everyone is pretending that trans people are whatever gender they identify with, but we dont really think they are. Its just not worth the backlash of arguing with people with gender disphoria and the violent lobby behind them.
Yeah I'm a dude that likes women. I am not going to marry even the most beautiful trans woman.
Same here. I owe trans people the basic respect that I would give to any human being. I don't owe them feeling attracted to them, and that doesn't make me a cancelation-deserving piece of shit transphobe.
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Emos never had one of Americas two political parties cheerleading MCR and black eyeliner.
American politics would've been a lot cooler if they did though
World in general would be better if people were just hotter.
Btgg for president. I'd vote for her.
Unlike emos, they aren't hot though.
Last time I checked, emos don’t get irreversible surgeries
I still have a blue whale dick grafted to my head from my emo days.
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Well some do. You just tend not hear about or from them afterwards
Well some statistics indicate the same can happen to trans people too.
No one was stupid enough to try affirmative care back then because, well, it's stupid.
Probably helps that medical institutions didn't try to wiggle in
Could you imagine if they did? The lawsuits would drive up medical prices to an even more ridiculous amount
Oh, just you wait, 10 years from now I see billions in medical malpractice lawsuits.
Well I better get insured then
I mean for a lot of emos the final goal was an irreversible surgery, you can call it that.
Well unlike you, I write sins not tragedies
Depends on how good they are at cutting. Wait, fuck someone beat me to it.
Man I miss emo kids.
So do their parents.
topkek
Well they have to draw the line somewhere or every swinging dick will all the sudden be trans..
I don’t think half of less than .1% will really matter.
Less than about 0.02% has GD (or GID). However apparently all of a sudden there was about 1.8% according to surveys in 2017 ... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20502877.2022.2088048 >The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) gives expected prevalence rates of gender dysphoria at 0.005% to 0.014% of the population for natal males, and 0.002% to 0.003% for natal females, based on referrals for GD in 2013 (American Psychiatric Association 2013). >However, a survey of teenagers in 2017 (Centers for Disease Control 2017) showed that 1.8% of high school children in the U.S.A. in that year identified as transgender. This is at least 200 times the prevalence stated in DSM-5 DSM-5 https://doi.org/10.1176/appi.books.9780890425596 CDC Survey https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6803a3.htm
You're citing the stat on people with actual gender dysphoria. Now days, you've got plenty of narcissists, edge lords, celebs needing a popularity boost, confused and manipulated kids, "Reddit mods", and straight up transtrenders all claiming they're trans left and right without the actual gender dysphoria. Not to mention, if a draft comes up being trans gets you out of the draft, you're going have a bunch of "Cpl Klinger's" popping up.
I've always called myself a lesbian trapped in a mans body.
We used that joke 20 years ago in high school now it's doctrine
Does that just mean you move in together after the first date and enjoy domestic abuse?
you know it all went townhill the moment being trans didnt mean you had to be dysmorphic anymore. you know, the thing that makes you transgender
The distinction should be the emphasis of the topic. Genuine gender dysphoria sufferers who can live a more comfortable life (putting in the effort to blend in, because standing out in no way helps with the anxiety associated with it) verses drag Queens, non-binary hipsters, and delusional (or self aware) transvestites who enjoy being controversial and the attention from that controversy.
>The distinction should be the emphasis of the topic. The distinction, and the sheer *disparity* in the numbers. The next generation has something like 15-20% as identifying as LGBT in some way, quadrupling the numbers from previous generations.
If a draft is actually used with how far along our weapons tech is, it means nuclear bombs are already landing somewhere.
>If we have nuclear technology, that will be used before a draft \*Fortunate Son starts playing\*
Don’t tempt me with a good time
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I'm just saying, give nuclear war a chance!
and good luck drafting me after the nukes lmao
If recruiting numbers fall too low the draft might be used to sustain the militaries non combat roles.
Personally I don’t think so. My biggest guess is with the increased role of the US military in world affairs, a draft just means there are too many fronts to man with current numbers. So like, let’s say WWIII breaks out and there’s a front in Russia, China, and Iran. That’s probably gonna take up all of our manpower, and recruiting will only replace losses. What happens is something gets fucky in like Brazil and we need a force there? That’s when the draft comes in. We don’t need the raw numbers like we used to, but sometimes you do just get stretched too thin.
I cannot conceive of a modern scenario that involves a US military front crucial enough for a draft, which is total political suicide for the sitting administration post-Vietnam, without an *extremely* effective casus belli. And in this age, that means nukes. If there wasn’t a draft after 9/11, there won’t be another one again unless we are on the verge of foreign invasion. And at that point, we might as well be talking nukes anyways. We’ve entered a new era of mutually assured destruction, and nothing that *actually* matters to the major powers will be given up without exchange of nuclear weapons.
Post 9/11 we were fighting two low level wars with infantry which combined killed about as many people as the Mexican-American War. Even a conventional WWIII easily kills tens of thousands unless China really is as shit as Russia. I’m not saying the draft is likely, even in WWIII honestly, but even without nukes it’s never off the table
The US military currently operates under the ability to operate under two or even three major wars and several minor wars simultaneously. Of the 24 operational aircraft carriers, the US operates 11. China, India, Italy, and the UK are tied for second place with 2. The US has something like the same number of military aircraft (all branches) as the next five or six largest nations combined. US fighter jets and are also something like 20 years ahead of our likely adversaries. We’ve been operating fifth generation fighters for like 20 years, and about to roll on the 6th generation in the next 10 - as they’re just delivering less successful fifth gen counterparts. The US military is absolutely unrivaled. Boots on the ground is irrelevant in modern warfare - you can see as much with the Ukrainian conflict how irrelevant the number of foot soldiers is compared to the quality and strength of technology they control. On top of that, the soldiers we do have are trained to use it to its maximum potential.
Even the aircraft carriers number is a bit of a misnomer, since you're putting something like HMS Queen Elizabeth up with a Nimitz. It's difficult to compare anything to a Nimitz, and the US operates ten of the things.
Lol the Nimitz class isn’t even our largest super carrier anymore
I'm just a filthy Euro but something in my heart just heard an eagle.
A hawk
It never was. The preceding Enterprise was larger than the Nimitz class, and the new Ford-something class is still shorter than the Enterprise.
France is the only other country that operates a carrier that doesn't have a cope slope
Hmm Japan too, but they can't call it aircraft carrier
Honestly, we really ought to remilitarize Japan if we know they're going to be on our side for the next war. Those guys were crazy in the last one.
Seriously, ran through Asia like tissue paper, and still had enough left in the tank to give the US fits for 3 years
And they did all that with barely any resources. They were rationing war material since basically the start of the war. Imagine what those crazy bastards could do if they had the "Arsenal of Democracy" supplying them.
Oh my god I love that term
Have you seen Russias aircraft carrier? We have ships more capable than it that we don't even call aircraft carriers.
Actual soldiers are still essential for holding territory; the larger the territory, the more soldiers required.
Boots on the ground is definitely relevant in modern warfare. It depends of course on what the strategic goal is, but you do need a strong ground presence if your goal is more than just "bomb infrastructure and exposed targets into oblivion." Which nations could we fight which would allow us to do that? Russia? They might actually start a nuclear war if we went that far. China? Same deal, and we would be screwing over our own economy over such a conflict - a conflict China does not want. A less developed nation, but which we want to invade for whatever reason? Well, we saw what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan - we took out exposed military assets very quickly then spent years bogged down, in the end not managing to accomplish long-term control. Our military is unrivaled, but frankly I'm not so sure about how it actually could ever be "used." Our military being so powerful is primarily useful as a deterrent to the possibility of World War 3 occurring - because if World War 3 ever "did" occur, it probably will devolve into nuclear warfare at least on a "limited" scale. Which would be hell.
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Current events also show us that a non nuclear war with Russia would be a joke, so we'd need at least 2 fronts on top of that to get into draft territory.
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While all that is true, none of that accounts for the fact that maybe we can get in a grinding war in the Korean Peninsula, where terrain makes moving quickly hard and massed firepower with strong anti-air defenses (as well as North Korean preparations since the 60’s) would make any war an absolute slog as well as a costly nightmare. Should North Korea get involved in a possible WWIII, this is now our life. At a certain point even if we’re super dominant in every measurable factor we’d still be on the offensive against dug in, and quite possibly well equipped foes who are more than willing to just kill as many of us as possible with little regard for their own lives. That’s gonna grind up men, and any other fronts will accordingly be hurting for manpower. A draft isn’t likely, but even in a conventional war a few fronts with one being fairly bloody and slow will make it far more likely
You underestimate the technological gains that US weapons have had since the 1950s and over estimate the ability of North Korean air defenses.
Or that someone fucked up hard. A localized non-nuclear conflict is still a possibility. The thing is no on truly *wants* it because even at a minimum it means hundreds of thousands of troops involved for each side with the possibility of millions more *and* nuclear escalation at *any* point in the process (beginning, during, end of war/conflict).
I’d feel a lot better about a draft if it could only be used if a foreign country invaded
The greatest political mockery in recent times was the US government that felt the need to institute a draft for the Vietnam “””””war””””” that was never declared by Congress or ever officially designated as an actual war because they were too worried about the diplomatic consequences. Clearly if the situation is not dire enough to declare war, it is not dire enough for a draft. What a fucking joke.
Good point 👆
Mostly agree, but I also think it was necessary in WW2. But that could count depending on what you mean by "foreign country invaded" I guess.
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Wait. Is the US being based for once?
No. They're keeping lib-rights from saying they're women to avoid the draft
both should be drafted if it **has to be** in place. ez pz. Edit: **has to be**
If anyone has to sign up for the draft, everyone should have to sign up for the draft. Including women
And politicians.
Are they exempt? I didn't know that.
Not an expert on draft law, but even if they're not explicitly exempt, they'd almost all be above the age bracket for draft selection. Seems kind of unfair when they are the ones sending young men to die.
They shouldn’t be allowed to circumvent the draft for their children or other cronies children. If we have a draft (which I do not want) it should be unavoidable, you shouldn’t be able to weasel out just because you’re a senator’s son.
Not till they send them to the front lines /s
are you really being /s though?
Maybe 😏
Wait why does he suddenly care about the draft?
Can someone that's gay explain their thoughts of this to me
I'm bi so I might not count. If we're drafting every capable adult should be a candidate regardless of sex, gender, occupation, or affiliation. If we're at the point where we need to draft civilians we're at a point where anyone with hands, feet, and an ability to do tasks should be eligible. Also fuck the draft.
>I'm bi so I might not count. Only to the gays
Alright here me out: what if we just drafted everyone?
Downvote me for being sexist if you want but this is the honest truth: if things are bad enough that we're instituting a draft, then things are bad enough that we do not need to waste time and resources drafting women. The percentage of women in the US who would be fit for service would be extremely low and not worth worrying about. EDIT: I am getting a lot of responses that boil down to either "women could be drafted for non-combat roles" or "most men are also not fit for service", and while there is definitely some validity to both of these arguments, it is still not a good idea for the military to draft women. Rather than adress these comments individually I've decided to do it here in one big edit. Also, I'd like it noted that I was an active duty Army combat engineer for four and a half years. I got out in 2021, was a civilian for a bit, and just joined the reserve a few months ago, so I'm currently in the Army right now. I'm not a defense expert, but I do have a greater insight as to the internal machinations of the military than most. Training and equipping soldiers is expensive. When I went through training to be a combat engineer at Fort Leonard Wood I was informed that the cost of training for each engineer was over half a million dollars. During peacetime this is trivial. The government has a virtually unlimited amount of time and resources, and a half a million is nothing to the Pentagon, but during wartime, where a draft would be implemented, time and money suddenly become precious commodities. It only makes sense to draft people who are likely to be worth the time and money invested in them, and men are significantly more likely to come out the end of the training pipeline as a combat effective soldier. Sure, there are definitely some Lyudmila Pavlichenko's out there ready to stack bodies, but they are few and far between, and if they want the can always volunteer. And yes, we could theoretically draft women specifically for non-combat roles, but that isn't a good idea for several reasons. Reason number one is that you really don't need to draft for relatively safe support roles in wartime, because they fill up with volunteers trying to beat the draft. You are drafting for meat to throw into the grinder, not for desk jockeys. Also the military (or at least the Army and Marine Corps, idk much about the other branches) expects all of its troops to be capable of filling infantry roles and performing infantry maneuvers with a baseline level of competence if the need arises. Even non-combat MOS's are expected to be able to do this, and it is significantly more physically demanding to run up hills and through vegetation wearing a full kit and carrying a full combat loadout than the average civilian realizes. Anyone who thinks all it takes to be combat effective is the ability to hold a gun a pull a trigger is woefully uninformed about what the job actually requires. And thirdly, even in wartime we still need civilians to work in factories and produce material and food and whatnot. Trying to hoover up every single person between the ages of 18 and 35 and press them into service would be counterproductive to the war effort.
About 90% of men are stronger than 90% of all women. The only thing the draft office cares about is the facts.
I said this on a discord server and instantly got banned lel its just the truth, the purpose of the draft isn’t to pursue gender equality, it’s to find people able to fight quickly, which the majority of women aren’t. Treating it like anything else is just stupid
Who wants to only draft men? Someone who wants to win.
> it’s to find people able to fight quickly, which the majority of women aren’t There's an infinity of shit to do in a war that a woman can do. Logistics (carrying shit and driving cars) / bureaucracy / maintaining stuff / and other stuff like that. The part that 'requires a man', as in running around in heavy gear and shooting people or being able to carry your wounded friend and so on, is a pretty small portion of what needs to be done. The biggest problem is the extra costs that come from having to stop the women from being raped/assaulted (so separate accommodation, and toilets and showers etc.), and the extra hygiene requirements.
Sure, but even the people with those jobs have to be ready to fight — effectively — if needed
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Those rolls get filled quickly by people trying to beat the draft. That's not what you're drafting for. You're drafting for meat to throw into the grinder.
If what you meant by “fit for service” means not obese, [that’s a shared thing between both men and women.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-cqPfoZZ6ITseDupKxrCNbjcJhynU-8ptbQ&usqp=CAU) 1/3 the entire population already out just in this step
Yeah, but the average man is still stronger than the average woman.
Screening for obesity is cheap and quick. Just have them walk through a cattle crush and if they don’t get stuck they’re good to go. Everything else requires time-consuming testing and examination.
Unironically it would do wonders getting fats physically fit.
Execute Operation "Get behind the Dilators"
Cope, seethe, mald, and dilate.
I'm gonna be honest if there is a draft under this president I'm not going idc
Libright under every president:
I'm tryna make money not die In a war I have no beef in
>I'm tryna make money not die In a war I have no beef in Why not just sell off all your spoils of war? The ruski's are hiding their gold plated AK's somewhere
You don’t even need to sell weapons. [Regular basic shit can be extremely profitable as well.](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-07-30-vw-18804-story.html) I think there was a dude at one point who sold dried spaghetti to the military for $15,000 a pop.
What the hell
The shit our tax dollars pay for, amirite?
no but you don't understand, it was military grade pasta! You can't just get that anywhere
This is just stupid, nobody wants to itemize the price of everything so they just cut the price between all of them equally, which makes silly results but it doesn't mean that a toilet seat actually costs $640, it just means that *every* part on the plane is worth 640
Ain't no Russian ever called me a Lolbertarian.
Same. I'll claim I have mental illness, and if they ask for proof I'll tell them I post on this sub
I'm gonna be honest if there is a draft ~~under this president~~ I'm not going idc
True
I would die for teddy
Looks like imperialism is back on the menu boys
Don’t go for any of them, a draft is slavery.
based
My Grandpa dodged the Vietnam Draft, and I'm all one for keeping family traditions alive
Don't worry lib right, they don't draft 14 year olds, and he'll be dead before you're 18. (CIA: I am not threatening the life of your Very Very Old President, merely noting he is Very Very Old, and Very Very Old people die quicker than those of us who are not Very Very Old. Had you elected someone less Very Very Old, I would not be saying these things)
Nope, women can be CEOs just like men, so they can get drafted to go die in a war just like men
Based and equal opportunity pilled AuthRight.
Actual correct take.
If you're going to draft, draft equally
Based and egalitarian pilled
Forced draft is cringe
You will fight and die for Lockheed Martin stocks and like it you White Supremacist chudcel
I would rather have 1 F35 than have 100000 single mothers receive government assistance
Insanely based.
I mean, one could make the argument that F-35's don't give birth to future prison inmates....
By which you mean free labor. Thanks, for profit prisons
Based
Lockheed Martin? No no, I'm here to assist in General Dynamic's cause. Have you seen the new Abrams? I want to ride one of those.
I don’t give a fuck if we declare war on Russia… I ain’t doing shit.
Gen Z after voting blue no matter who, Next thing you know you got Uncle Sam’s ass askin to join the army or what you’ll do for their navy. You just a baby gettin recruited at 18. You on a plane now eatin their food and their baked beans. I’m 28, they gon take you before they take me.
Isn't that song about the Bush admin exploiting 9/11 to con people into volunteering for the Iraq War?
All or none old man. Women can fight so let them
Real equality: No draft or anyone can be drafted. Same with laws against being topless - idgaf but keep them equal. Make shit equal and fix the bathroom stall gaps and gender won't matter. Fuck it.
We should do what israel does and draft women, they are adult citizens they can fight too, end of story
I say that if we are all equal, if there is no biological difference for sport, then there is no biological difference for war
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