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Definitely not a perfect outcome, but as an American, I envy that you even have the option. Our elections are so tilted against any leftward motion, it could almost be described as *rigged*
... Not the kinda rigged Trump was talking about, though. It's rigged in favor of an aristocracy, not a party, and I feel that fact is pretty obvious at this point.
In any case, I'm glad SOMEWHERE in the world is making good decisions.
I've said it before and say it again: without russian influence via Facebook and Twitter, the world would have had Corbyn and Bernie Sanders to lead the free world.
But the capitalists/republicans/conservatives sided with Russia to swing things their way - regardless of what the people wanted
Not just the capitalists/republicans/conservatives, but many neo lib/liberal/Democrat/pretty much anyone without an actual desire for progress that is larger than their personal greed or ignorance acted to ratfuck Bernie. Probably the same for Corbyn. I remember Bernie winning the first three primaries but each one had a strange technicality that meant that he actually didn't. Seemed a lot like "hanging chads" all over again.
Interesting how it was Hillary's app that ran the first 2020 caucus in Iowa. The app mysteriously failed and Bootykeg jumped on national TV to claim he was the winner. Also interesting that Bootykeg had paid the company $42,000 for a "text messaging service" just 6 months earlier.
[https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2020/02/04/iowa-caucus-app-problems-shadow-inc-clinton-campaign/4653989002/](https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2020/02/04/iowa-caucus-app-problems-shadow-inc-clinton-campaign/4653989002/)
Shut up with your silly conspiracy theories. Hillary Clinton lost in 2016 because she is Hillary Clinton.
Bernie Sanders lost the primary because the Democratic party united against him
Can I just remind everyone at this point that it isn’t by nations it’s by wealth. Weird how everyone is seeing this rise in right wing politicians getting all of the media attention and donor money but nobody is blaming the ultra rich who get together to decide how the world is going to be ran at a yearly [meeting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum).
These are the true puppeteers. The man child who owns Xtwitter, Murdoch and his “news”, faux news heads, Koch, CHURCHES who caused the dark ages, ect. They have collectively decided a fascist world order solves all of their problems. They get richer and we can’t rebel. It’s a mad dash for resources after they have destroyed our land, water and air for monetary gains that only they get to enjoy.
It’s a club that we aren’t in and they are deciding our fates behind closed doors. The only way in is to be so greedy you stopped caring about anything but your wealth. THAT’S who decides what we see. Who gets donor money. What research is done. Who/what gets attention and who/what doesn’t.
It’s time for a true 1700 French Revolution my friends. 🍰
The age of greed must die in order for the rest of us to live.
I voted for Bernie, but he was not particularly close to winning the Dem primary, and I don't think he would have beat Trump. He did better in caucuses than primaries (caucuses were only used in 14 states and 4 territories), and his campaign went all in on early victories and caucuses, ceding Super Tuesday to Hillary and getting crushed.
Also, the idea that Russian influence caused Sanders to lose to Hillary is absurd. Sanders had very little support among large subgroups of Democratic voters, and the groups that backed him the most also tended towards lower turnout (though he did a good job with get out the vote campaigning).
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You obviously haven't been following, he's just been re-elected as an independent, to the seat he has held since *1983.* He is now the longest serving member of parliament, known as "Father of the House".
If you'd be interested to learn more about why he was forced out of the Labour party, watch The Labour Files. But you won't.
> ... Not the kinda rigged Trump was talking about, though. It's rigged in favor of an aristocracy, not a party, and I feel that fact is pretty obvious at this point.
That's... even worse.
The problem is that the corruption isn't just in the Republican party. It's in the Democratic party, too. But the people at the top put more work into protecting themselves than they do fighting for this country. We should have ousted Pelosi and Schumer decades ago.
The dems pretend to be the good cop, but they are rhw bad cops too, they just seem like the good cops because repubs are batshit crazy cops. So it makes the dems seem good by comparison....
No single human should be able to influence national politics for more than a decade. Lifetime politicians is 1:1 with corruption and cannot be separated
> it's always been anti-left. It's like, basically in the constitution.
I feel like you never actually read the constitution. Most leftist ideals are *enshrined* in the constitution. Things like tasking the government to "provide for the general welfare" or "secure the blessings of liberty" aren't just leftist-aligned - they're taken *directly* from the leftist rhetoric employed in France at that time. Other sections like establishing public services (i.e. post offices and roads), "promote the progress of science and art", also very clearly fall within the leftist unbrella.
There's absolutely nothing anti-left about the constitution.
Sounds like it's time to vote as far left as your multi-party system will allow for awhile, and be obnoxiously loud about it.
The entire world is dealing with that same trend - do what you can while you can. Hopefully you'll never end up where *"we the people"* have ended up.
*effectively*, yeah. It's insane that people aren't angrier about that, considering it literally existed in the first place to keep landowners in charge - it's still doing that, except the "landowners" are, like, 3 banks lol
Swinging left to the center is still a swing to the left. Now Labour has to take advantage of the situation and implement the will of the people.
At this point, I don’t trust most politicians because I’m 98% sure that 98% of them are little more than corporate shills.
It actually went down. Corbyn's party won more votes in 2019 than Starmer did in 2024. Regardless, they need some sort of ranked choice or something with all the parties they have.
It's a fairly small difference.
2019 Corbyn - 10,269,051
2024 Starmer - 9, 731, 363
The Lib Dems also won a ton more seats with a slightly lower total number of voters than in 2019.
Winning a lot more seats with less voters indicates to me a less shallow spread of voters and is likely the result of more tactical voting, with voters coalescing around the non-Tory option that can win in their seat rather than squandering their vote on a non-viable option. In all the general elections of my lifetimes I've never seen the level of outreach from organisations advocating for tactical voting and the apparent apptite for it amongst the public.
Hell, it should just be like this: "Here are seven candidates, pick your three favorite." Person who gets the most votes wins. Not exactly RCV, but it's something.
To be fair, they swung as left as they realistically could've.
The U.K.'s first-past-the-post system still makes their system trend towards two big parties.
Of the two big parties, Labour is the most left.
Beyond that, the libdems and greens, who are both currently more left than Labour, won. The libdems won quite big for being in a two party system especially.
So I'd say it counts as a leftward swing.
Fun fact: if you poll issue by issue, America overwhelmingly swings left; i.e. people overwhelmingly agrees with left politics and policies.
But if the days following the latest presidential debate has proved anything, it's that those same overwhelming majority gives jack shit about axtual politics and policies but rather salivating over the most inconsequential optics like pavlov's dogs. In the world dominated by social media where everything's measured in simplified dopamine engagements, appearance is king.
"Leftists" in Eastern Europe are Russian mindless drones whose actual political platforms are de jure "working class" but defacto mired in conservative elitist demagoguery because they *must* follow the pro-Putin Russia script, whose entities are inherently Russian post-communist neoliberal oligarchy. In Bulgaria the motherfucking *socialist party* is marching at "family values" anti LGBTQ+ marches with literal Nazis, religious fundamentalists, and old school stalinists. That is not an exaggeration.
This means that the center right in Eastern Europe can have social democratic platforms or parts of them without getting flack for it. But the West sees "center right" and defaults to "those guys are like our conservatives ew".
not a chance. jagmeet is just not going to do it. he's trying to be a younger, hipper version of trudeau. if that kinda polished, urbane thing appeals to you, you'd vote for trudeau. if you actually want political change and someone with enough grit and tenacity to get it done, jagmeet does not inspire confidence. i really really tried to like him.
plus ndp has been consistently late or soft on pretty much every position i want them to have.
Poland is center-left at the moment, as well.
Not sure that they'd like to be called Eastern Europe, but I'm grasping at straws for geopolitical upsides over here.
France didn't swing left. France swung right, just not as hard as it could have. Let's not glorify this election - it's a victory when you look at how fucked we seemed to be after the first turn, but it's a bittersweet one.
It took the whole left wing of France's political spectrum to unite (temporarily) to get a relative majority (and 30 more seats than they previously had). Meanwhile, the far right party got 50 more seats in this election.
After this election, the French Parliament will be one third left wing, one third right wing, and one third fascist. I celebrated yesterday's results, but I fear my country will not see a real left wing government for a long, long time.
In 2016 the RWNJs won with Brexit and Trump, hoping 2024 follows a trend with the left* winning in the UK and US.
*Yes i'm aware of the centrist nature of modern Labour and the Democratic party but anyone but a fascist .
Labour only got 2% more votes in 2024 yet won an extra 32% more seats.
The UK didn’t swing left, the conservatives just messed up so badly that conservative voters split their voting power between multiple parties or didn’t vote at all.
There's definitely an eastern europe...they did improved over the years but still, life in Germany, Denmark, UK etc.. is much better than any other ex-commie country, just look how many migrants from Poland, Romania, Russia we have here in western Europe
> Eastern Europe is gonna Eastern Europe but that’s what they always do anyway.
Damn, I wonder what's the precedent for that? Hmm, surely there must be something?
>Eastern Europe is gonna Eastern Europe but that's what they always do anyway.
Far right parties got first place in the EP elections in France, Belgium and Austria and the republican party has been overrun with extremists. But of course, only those eastern countries have an issue with far right politics.
> At this stage? Seriously?
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> Who wants to see another Trump Administration?
Democrats, apparently.
This election is *far too important* to hand over to Republicans just because no one wants to have the conversation with grandpa where we take his keys.
Regardless of what happens, May 1, 2028 is when the political revolution goes into effect. Labor unions are trying to set their current contracts to expire then, so we need to join them in a potential labor strike.
Not enough, no, but it's the only choice we have currently. So many Americans, myself included, are living paycheck to paycheck, or worse. No one can afford a sick day off work that isn't paid, much less afford to strike, protest, or start a revolution if it interferes with work hours. That's how those in charge want it. Too desperate to fight
We have to fight within the system for now, until we can either get more people who actually want better for the people elected, or until we're all pushed so far, we have no choice but to fight back. Fornthe moment, voting blue at least starts us in a good direction, then we hold those we elected to the fire, and ensure they keep to the good path.
The Democratic Party is center-right. They are pro-corporate, anti-worker just like the Republicans. There are a handful of left leaning Dems, but nothing resembling a pro-worker party. They basically abandoned the working class in the 80s to chase the money that thr Republicans were raking in. We need a new worker led political party in the US that is not tethered to corporate funding.
" , anti-worker " Can you back this up with facts please.
Here are President Biden's
"The American Federation of Government Employees, the nation's largest federal employee union representing 750,000 federal and DC government employees, proudly endorses President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris for reelection next year."
"Actors’ Equity Association Endorses Joseph Biden and Kamala Harris for Reelection"
"The organization, representing over 3 million union construction professionals, issued the following statement from NABTU President Sean McGarvey: “North America's Building Trades Unions can honestly say no elected official has shown our members and their families more respect than President Joe Biden. Apr 24, 2024"
"Citing infrastructure spending and jobs, Philly construction union endorses Biden"
"The United Steelworkers Union has endorsed President Joe Biden, giving him support from another large labor union."
""The largest labor mobilization in history begins today, supercharged by the excitement and enthusiasm of hundreds of thousands of union volunteers who will work tirelessly to reelect a president they know has our backs," said the AFL-CIO president."
The two are not the same as you proclaim.
That kills me when someone is interviewed and critical of trump but when asked if they’ll vote for him they always kiss the ring. A more cynical person would think they were only paying lip service to morals
I don't need a note, I need a way to stop every federal vote from being just the slightly lesser of the two evils. Shit in one hand and wish in the other they say. Well both my hands are full of shit so now what?
And if some "vote local" mfer shows up!!! Well shit, can't do anything from here but ya know, not that advice please. Thanks.
You are making a false equivalency.
Biden is a decent president. Not great, not perfect, not the most progressive. He is decent.
Trump is indecent. He is a fascist. He used political violence as a tool. He cares for himself above all else and doesn't care about the damage he does. He represents people who want to roll back rights and freedoms for millions of Americans.
They are not the same. The choice isn't about choosing the lesser of two evils. It's about stopping the evil embodied by trump and allowing our continued progression against radicalism to prevail.
I hope so but I'm really not at the point to label most any politician as decent. I stand back and look and like, this can't even be reality. Decent? Dudes a life long politician, has made some great"throw more people in prison" and "fuck the gays" decisions and come on, he's half dead. So is Trump, but being overweight instead of under weight when your older really seems to help with the illusion of vitality. Fucking crapshoot here man. It's honestly embarrassing.
Don't worry, I'm not in a swing state so what I think is worthless.
I wish the electoral college didn't disenfranchised voters like you. I live in a "blue" state, but i still vote. I hope you will too.
You are talking about policy decisions from Biden, which is a valid area for criticism. None of his decisions, no matter how unsavory for either side, threaten the underpinnings of our government or blatantly espouse bigotry and hate like trump.
Again, there is no comparison. Biden is hands down better for America than Trump.
> Biden is hands down better for America than Trump.
While this is absolutely true, that bar is so low it can't even be tripped over in hell.
Edit: To be clear, I will be voting and it sure as hell won't be for the convicted felon pedo rapist.
Even if you’re not in a swing state I’m positive there are ballot initiatives, state/local judges and state/local politicians you can help. These pools of voters are much smaller so your vote means more.
We need to get better ground game so better politicians can work their way up the ladder. Before you commit to not voting just check up on who you could lend your aid to besides just people at the federal level.
Trumps genocide is a future possibility. Biden's is historic fact. Those who support him have blood on their hands. I don't think you care about it at all though.
Protests are effectively glorified parades in the US. I don't think France asks the local government for permits to close a street for their marches, whereas in the US you're only allowed to protest on designated street corners with a permit and if you accidentally step on the curb you get shot point blank with "safe" rubber bullets.
We kinda had an issue recently where a march wasn't enough (and hundreds across the country neither it seemed). The guy was governing thanks to an article of our constitution called 49.3, which basically allows the prime minister (which was under the order of the president) to force a law to be accepted by bypassing every democratic instances.
"They shall not Pass. Verdun, France, WW1. The most incredible display of bravery and will and soul and guts and anything you could ever face and overcome, against all odds. Verdun. If you ever have the opportunity to travel to Europe to see the battlefield of Verdun, you will be shocked at the terrain, pockmarked by thousands of German bombs that wiped whole villages off of the face of the earth. In the region, they still find remains of the dead. In Verdun, you will know the meaning of "They shall not pass." We here in the US, in this day and age, need to fight against the authoritarian and far right extremism that is threatening our country. Vive la France!
>The most incredible display of bravery and will and soul and guts and anything you could ever face and overcome, against all odds
You do know it was the Germans who were fighting against the odds......and to take WW1 as an example is quite poor understanding.
You trying to be smart or something? To use the German empire as an example of some "bravery" by French (who wanted that war) on fighting fascism is extremly dumb.
Man this gives me hope. Everything seems to be shifting further right but France really showed up when it mattered, merci à mes frères et sœurs Français.
'the left'
give the liberals some fucking credit, for once in their lives they deserve it.
Oh wait nevermind I'm finding out it was mainly left candidates who dropped out.
Yeah, take that you stupid "far right" bigots. What, you want to stop people intolerant to western values from entering our country, often illegally? Sorry, we don't allow "fascism" here.
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Kier Starmer said he would always work with foreign leaders regardless of their political slant.
That was when LePenn was looking to win.
It will be interesting to see I'd his wording changes now the heroic French people have shown the way
Headline on CNN:
"france in chaos"
When did CNN become Fox Lite?
All I see on there anymore is pro corporate, fascist, BS. From, woa, how will the UK handle the left wing take over to "holy cow, place that hated being occupied by fascists in WWII, sends them packing AGAIN".
What is going on ?
lol yeah let’s stop bullshitting. It was a massive gain the right and desperation by the left. Yet you read the comments like the left won something. That’s the kind of bullshit we need to stop spreading. That’s the kind of bullshit that relaxes people and allows more and more and more right wing seats to filled. Every single election so far.
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France swings left. The UK swings left. Eastern Europe is gonna Eastern Europe but that’s what they always do anyway. Now do the United States.
The UK swung to the centre. Leftwards from where we were, but not much.
Definitely not a perfect outcome, but as an American, I envy that you even have the option. Our elections are so tilted against any leftward motion, it could almost be described as *rigged* ... Not the kinda rigged Trump was talking about, though. It's rigged in favor of an aristocracy, not a party, and I feel that fact is pretty obvious at this point. In any case, I'm glad SOMEWHERE in the world is making good decisions.
the UK is rigged too, that's why we've got Starmer not Corbyn
I've said it before and say it again: without russian influence via Facebook and Twitter, the world would have had Corbyn and Bernie Sanders to lead the free world. But the capitalists/republicans/conservatives sided with Russia to swing things their way - regardless of what the people wanted
Not just the capitalists/republicans/conservatives, but many neo lib/liberal/Democrat/pretty much anyone without an actual desire for progress that is larger than their personal greed or ignorance acted to ratfuck Bernie. Probably the same for Corbyn. I remember Bernie winning the first three primaries but each one had a strange technicality that meant that he actually didn't. Seemed a lot like "hanging chads" all over again.
Interesting how it was Hillary's app that ran the first 2020 caucus in Iowa. The app mysteriously failed and Bootykeg jumped on national TV to claim he was the winner. Also interesting that Bootykeg had paid the company $42,000 for a "text messaging service" just 6 months earlier. [https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2020/02/04/iowa-caucus-app-problems-shadow-inc-clinton-campaign/4653989002/](https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2020/02/04/iowa-caucus-app-problems-shadow-inc-clinton-campaign/4653989002/)
Shut up with your silly conspiracy theories. Hillary Clinton lost in 2016 because she is Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders lost the primary because the Democratic party united against him
Can I just remind everyone at this point that it isn’t by nations it’s by wealth. Weird how everyone is seeing this rise in right wing politicians getting all of the media attention and donor money but nobody is blaming the ultra rich who get together to decide how the world is going to be ran at a yearly [meeting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum). These are the true puppeteers. The man child who owns Xtwitter, Murdoch and his “news”, faux news heads, Koch, CHURCHES who caused the dark ages, ect. They have collectively decided a fascist world order solves all of their problems. They get richer and we can’t rebel. It’s a mad dash for resources after they have destroyed our land, water and air for monetary gains that only they get to enjoy. It’s a club that we aren’t in and they are deciding our fates behind closed doors. The only way in is to be so greedy you stopped caring about anything but your wealth. THAT’S who decides what we see. Who gets donor money. What research is done. Who/what gets attention and who/what doesn’t. It’s time for a true 1700 French Revolution my friends. 🍰 The age of greed must die in order for the rest of us to live.
I agree except the influence of Israel has been far greater than Russia and it's not just on the republicans/conservatives.
I voted for Bernie, but he was not particularly close to winning the Dem primary, and I don't think he would have beat Trump. He did better in caucuses than primaries (caucuses were only used in 14 states and 4 territories), and his campaign went all in on early victories and caucuses, ceding Super Tuesday to Hillary and getting crushed. Also, the idea that Russian influence caused Sanders to lose to Hillary is absurd. Sanders had very little support among large subgroups of Democratic voters, and the groups that backed him the most also tended towards lower turnout (though he did a good job with get out the vote campaigning).
Yup, when LePenn was winning Starmer said he would work with any foreign leader. Watch his choice of words now LePenn is buried.
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He is now unelecteable beyond backbencher. His HAMAS comments and praise of Chávez is enough to kill party momentum.
You obviously haven't been following, he's just been re-elected as an independent, to the seat he has held since *1983.* He is now the longest serving member of parliament, known as "Father of the House". If you'd be interested to learn more about why he was forced out of the Labour party, watch The Labour Files. But you won't.
> ... Not the kinda rigged Trump was talking about, though. It's rigged in favor of an aristocracy, not a party, and I feel that fact is pretty obvious at this point. That's... even worse. The problem is that the corruption isn't just in the Republican party. It's in the Democratic party, too. But the people at the top put more work into protecting themselves than they do fighting for this country. We should have ousted Pelosi and Schumer decades ago.
IMO, if you are old enough to draw Social Security, you shouldn't be eligible to be elected to public office.
I fully agree - it shouldn't even have *made it* to Pelosi and Schumer.
The dems pretend to be the good cop, but they are rhw bad cops too, they just seem like the good cops because repubs are batshit crazy cops. So it makes the dems seem good by comparison....
No single human should be able to influence national politics for more than a decade. Lifetime politicians is 1:1 with corruption and cannot be separated
The corruption is in the foundation of the country, it's always been anti-left. It's like, basically in the constitution.
> it's always been anti-left. It's like, basically in the constitution. I feel like you never actually read the constitution. Most leftist ideals are *enshrined* in the constitution. Things like tasking the government to "provide for the general welfare" or "secure the blessings of liberty" aren't just leftist-aligned - they're taken *directly* from the leftist rhetoric employed in France at that time. Other sections like establishing public services (i.e. post offices and roads), "promote the progress of science and art", also very clearly fall within the leftist unbrella. There's absolutely nothing anti-left about the constitution.
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Sounds like it's time to vote as far left as your multi-party system will allow for awhile, and be obnoxiously loud about it. The entire world is dealing with that same trend - do what you can while you can. Hopefully you'll never end up where *"we the people"* have ended up.
Our elections are pre-rigged due to the electoral college.
*effectively*, yeah. It's insane that people aren't angrier about that, considering it literally existed in the first place to keep landowners in charge - it's still doing that, except the "landowners" are, like, 3 banks lol
The Red Scare really fucked up any chance of real reform in the US.
You should move there
Swinging left to the center is still a swing to the left. Now Labour has to take advantage of the situation and implement the will of the people. At this point, I don’t trust most politicians because I’m 98% sure that 98% of them are little more than corporate shills.
Yeah, Labour swung from the left to the center, and still only won with 37% of the vote. Almost 2/3 of UK voters explicitly did not for for Labour.
Labour's number of votes stayed roughly the same, they won because the Tory vote collapsed and was split with Reform
It actually went down. Corbyn's party won more votes in 2019 than Starmer did in 2024. Regardless, they need some sort of ranked choice or something with all the parties they have.
It's a fairly small difference. 2019 Corbyn - 10,269,051 2024 Starmer - 9, 731, 363 The Lib Dems also won a ton more seats with a slightly lower total number of voters than in 2019. Winning a lot more seats with less voters indicates to me a less shallow spread of voters and is likely the result of more tactical voting, with voters coalescing around the non-Tory option that can win in their seat rather than squandering their vote on a non-viable option. In all the general elections of my lifetimes I've never seen the level of outreach from organisations advocating for tactical voting and the apparent apptite for it amongst the public.
It's hard enough to get people out to put one cross in a box, let alone think about numbers
Hell, it should just be like this: "Here are seven candidates, pick your three favorite." Person who gets the most votes wins. Not exactly RCV, but it's something.
Still too complicated, the British electorate cannot be underestimated
Also not really, just a consequence of the voting system. Actual % of people voting Labour is the same as before.
To be fair, they swung as left as they realistically could've. The U.K.'s first-past-the-post system still makes their system trend towards two big parties. Of the two big parties, Labour is the most left. Beyond that, the libdems and greens, who are both currently more left than Labour, won. The libdems won quite big for being in a two party system especially. So I'd say it counts as a leftward swing.
Yes that's true when you include the other leftwing parties and they may actually have a bit of a say in parliament this time too.
The US doesn't even have a left to swing to.
Bernie has entered the chat....
"I am once again..."
the "left" is centrist hypercapitalists and the right wants a white christian ethnostate. So modern day Nazis. It's fucking grim.
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> We do wut
Fun fact: if you poll issue by issue, America overwhelmingly swings left; i.e. people overwhelmingly agrees with left politics and policies. But if the days following the latest presidential debate has proved anything, it's that those same overwhelming majority gives jack shit about axtual politics and policies but rather salivating over the most inconsequential optics like pavlov's dogs. In the world dominated by social media where everything's measured in simplified dopamine engagements, appearance is king.
Eastern Europe swung to left and ended up more to center.
"Leftists" in Eastern Europe are Russian mindless drones whose actual political platforms are de jure "working class" but defacto mired in conservative elitist demagoguery because they *must* follow the pro-Putin Russia script, whose entities are inherently Russian post-communist neoliberal oligarchy. In Bulgaria the motherfucking *socialist party* is marching at "family values" anti LGBTQ+ marches with literal Nazis, religious fundamentalists, and old school stalinists. That is not an exaggeration. This means that the center right in Eastern Europe can have social democratic platforms or parts of them without getting flack for it. But the West sees "center right" and defaults to "those guys are like our conservatives ew".
Mexico swings left. It's happening in our backyard. Idk when Canada's next elections are but let's hope Jagmeet and the NDP can win it big.
not a chance. jagmeet is just not going to do it. he's trying to be a younger, hipper version of trudeau. if that kinda polished, urbane thing appeals to you, you'd vote for trudeau. if you actually want political change and someone with enough grit and tenacity to get it done, jagmeet does not inspire confidence. i really really tried to like him. plus ndp has been consistently late or soft on pretty much every position i want them to have.
Poland is center-left at the moment, as well. Not sure that they'd like to be called Eastern Europe, but I'm grasping at straws for geopolitical upsides over here.
France didn't swing left. France swung right, just not as hard as it could have. Let's not glorify this election - it's a victory when you look at how fucked we seemed to be after the first turn, but it's a bittersweet one. It took the whole left wing of France's political spectrum to unite (temporarily) to get a relative majority (and 30 more seats than they previously had). Meanwhile, the far right party got 50 more seats in this election. After this election, the French Parliament will be one third left wing, one third right wing, and one third fascist. I celebrated yesterday's results, but I fear my country will not see a real left wing government for a long, long time.
The left, center, and right all had basically the same number of seats. It can only be interpreted as centering left.
Canada 🇨🇦 take heed‼️🙄
Nope. We’ll take PP.
In 2016 the RWNJs won with Brexit and Trump, hoping 2024 follows a trend with the left* winning in the UK and US. *Yes i'm aware of the centrist nature of modern Labour and the Democratic party but anyone but a fascist .
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Labour only got 2% more votes in 2024 yet won an extra 32% more seats. The UK didn’t swing left, the conservatives just messed up so badly that conservative voters split their voting power between multiple parties or didn’t vote at all.
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There's definitely an eastern europe...they did improved over the years but still, life in Germany, Denmark, UK etc.. is much better than any other ex-commie country, just look how many migrants from Poland, Romania, Russia we have here in western Europe
Trying...
> Eastern Europe is gonna Eastern Europe but that’s what they always do anyway. Damn, I wonder what's the precedent for that? Hmm, surely there must be something?
>Eastern Europe is gonna Eastern Europe but that's what they always do anyway. Far right parties got first place in the EP elections in France, Belgium and Austria and the republican party has been overrun with extremists. But of course, only those eastern countries have an issue with far right politics.
Americans, we can defeat fascism here. Vote blue down the ballot. Send trump and his cronies packing, just like France and the UK. https://vote.gov/
can we though? disinformation and cults of personality are powerful things. I think democracy will fall this decade.
It’s not just left, the NPF is communist and socialist.
The whole of North America really. Canada has an election upcoming as well :(
First we have to vote in leftists.
> Now do the United States. The hardest part is getting Biden/Harris to step down.
Way to late for that. Unless.... ![gif](giphy|iiKm3cPB19G2efzNgU|downsized)
At this stage? Seriously? Who wants to see another Trump Administration? Personally, I would vote for President Biden's dog over the convicted felon.
> At this stage? Seriously? > > > > Who wants to see another Trump Administration? Democrats, apparently. This election is *far too important* to hand over to Republicans just because no one wants to have the conversation with grandpa where we take his keys.
You would, but those iffy voters in swing states won't bother to show up
Send some of this energy and motivation to America PLEASEEEE
We need this here in American on 11/5/2024. Instead of red it needs to be all Blue.
Regardless of what happens, May 1, 2028 is when the political revolution goes into effect. Labor unions are trying to set their current contracts to expire then, so we need to join them in a potential labor strike.
2028?! Thats too far in the future. The Fourth Reich won’t be allowing protest by then
That's not really left though.
Not enough, no, but it's the only choice we have currently. So many Americans, myself included, are living paycheck to paycheck, or worse. No one can afford a sick day off work that isn't paid, much less afford to strike, protest, or start a revolution if it interferes with work hours. That's how those in charge want it. Too desperate to fight We have to fight within the system for now, until we can either get more people who actually want better for the people elected, or until we're all pushed so far, we have no choice but to fight back. Fornthe moment, voting blue at least starts us in a good direction, then we hold those we elected to the fire, and ensure they keep to the good path.
> That's how those in charge want it. Too desperate to fight When neoliberal capitalism turns into the dystopia everyone warned about.
and you need a new date format too
Why?
The Democratic Party is center-right. They are pro-corporate, anti-worker just like the Republicans. There are a handful of left leaning Dems, but nothing resembling a pro-worker party. They basically abandoned the working class in the 80s to chase the money that thr Republicans were raking in. We need a new worker led political party in the US that is not tethered to corporate funding.
" , anti-worker " Can you back this up with facts please. Here are President Biden's "The American Federation of Government Employees, the nation's largest federal employee union representing 750,000 federal and DC government employees, proudly endorses President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris for reelection next year." "Actors’ Equity Association Endorses Joseph Biden and Kamala Harris for Reelection" "The organization, representing over 3 million union construction professionals, issued the following statement from NABTU President Sean McGarvey: “North America's Building Trades Unions can honestly say no elected official has shown our members and their families more respect than President Joe Biden. Apr 24, 2024" "Citing infrastructure spending and jobs, Philly construction union endorses Biden" "The United Steelworkers Union has endorsed President Joe Biden, giving him support from another large labor union." ""The largest labor mobilization in history begins today, supercharged by the excitement and enthusiasm of hundreds of thousands of union volunteers who will work tirelessly to reelect a president they know has our backs," said the AFL-CIO president." The two are not the same as you proclaim.
Take note, America. The left , middle, and right must unite against trumpism.
Pfft. There's no middle in the USA and the right has decided it's ride or die with Trump.
There's definitely a middle in the USA and there's people on the right who've hated trump since the beginning too
And yet they vote for him because ”at least it’s not dems” right? Doesn’t matter if they ”hate” Trump or not.
That kills me when someone is interviewed and critical of trump but when asked if they’ll vote for him they always kiss the ring. A more cynical person would think they were only paying lip service to morals
A lot just didn't vote in 2016 or 2020
braindead as fuck
Threat level: Trumpism < maga < evangelists
I don't need a note, I need a way to stop every federal vote from being just the slightly lesser of the two evils. Shit in one hand and wish in the other they say. Well both my hands are full of shit so now what? And if some "vote local" mfer shows up!!! Well shit, can't do anything from here but ya know, not that advice please. Thanks.
You are making a false equivalency. Biden is a decent president. Not great, not perfect, not the most progressive. He is decent. Trump is indecent. He is a fascist. He used political violence as a tool. He cares for himself above all else and doesn't care about the damage he does. He represents people who want to roll back rights and freedoms for millions of Americans. They are not the same. The choice isn't about choosing the lesser of two evils. It's about stopping the evil embodied by trump and allowing our continued progression against radicalism to prevail.
I hope so but I'm really not at the point to label most any politician as decent. I stand back and look and like, this can't even be reality. Decent? Dudes a life long politician, has made some great"throw more people in prison" and "fuck the gays" decisions and come on, he's half dead. So is Trump, but being overweight instead of under weight when your older really seems to help with the illusion of vitality. Fucking crapshoot here man. It's honestly embarrassing. Don't worry, I'm not in a swing state so what I think is worthless.
I wish the electoral college didn't disenfranchised voters like you. I live in a "blue" state, but i still vote. I hope you will too. You are talking about policy decisions from Biden, which is a valid area for criticism. None of his decisions, no matter how unsavory for either side, threaten the underpinnings of our government or blatantly espouse bigotry and hate like trump. Again, there is no comparison. Biden is hands down better for America than Trump.
> Biden is hands down better for America than Trump. While this is absolutely true, that bar is so low it can't even be tripped over in hell. Edit: To be clear, I will be voting and it sure as hell won't be for the convicted felon pedo rapist.
Even if you’re not in a swing state I’m positive there are ballot initiatives, state/local judges and state/local politicians you can help. These pools of voters are much smaller so your vote means more. We need to get better ground game so better politicians can work their way up the ladder. Before you commit to not voting just check up on who you could lend your aid to besides just people at the federal level.
>He is decent. There's that small matter of facilitating a genocide... Edit: @ DayTrippin 2112- Because I'm right
And Trump wants to actively participate, escalate it, and start one in America. So again, not the same
Wait to you hear what Trump will do. Trump will be overtly supporting and facilitating genocide. Because you are stupidly wrong.
Yes, we all know what Trump is like, that doesn't make Biden any better. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?
Better the genocide abroad than the one at home targeted at me. I can't feel bad for Palestinians if I'm dead now can I?
Trumps genocide is a future possibility. Biden's is historic fact. Those who support him have blood on their hands. I don't think you care about it at all though.
Bait used to be higher quality than this.
> I need a way to stop every federal vote from being just the slightly lesser of the two evils. Show up for a primary.
Why the fuck would you ever want the greater evil to win?
Long live the republic!
The mass protests is incredible and something many democratic can learn from.
Vive le France!
Really hope we here in the States can pull this off this coming November, insanely nervous about it though.
Now that’s what democracy looks like!
Vive la démocratie!
Would it still be democracy if the far right won?
Yes of course.
That’s France; where a March changes Law… here in the USA; protests do absolutely NOTHING
Protests are effectively glorified parades in the US. I don't think France asks the local government for permits to close a street for their marches, whereas in the US you're only allowed to protest on designated street corners with a permit and if you accidentally step on the curb you get shot point blank with "safe" rubber bullets.
“I can’t really protest because I would loose 3 of my 4 jobs and with it my health insurance.” /s
US protests are like a kids' party compared to the French
Gotta literally block the doors to the government with tons of cow shit. Then set it on fire and have a nice cup of tea or a cappuccino.
[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QsmvIpn6kJc](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QsmvIpn6kJc)
Ah, you saw the same clip as me. Love it. 😆
Ah, you saw the same clip as me. Love it. 😆
We kinda had an issue recently where a march wasn't enough (and hundreds across the country neither it seemed). The guy was governing thanks to an article of our constitution called 49.3, which basically allows the prime minister (which was under the order of the president) to force a law to be accepted by bypassing every democratic instances.
I feel like protests actually make things worse somehow.
Must be nice...
A beautiful sight..
Vive le France. Vive le Liberty.
This fills me such raw glee. Good job France. Good fucking job.
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Last week 20 French rappers also got together to make a song called [NO PASARÁN](https://youtu.be/USJRkKoSZSs?si=V3g8wrYlov5-9U_V).
Sorry for ignorance, but why do they choose to say it in Spanish? is this some sort of throwback to when they helped vs Franco?
it's an antifascist say, very used by anarchists. RN, the extreme right wing party, was created by collaborationists and fascists.
it's a classic anti-fascist song: [No pasaran](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQQWFWTgvnQ)
"They shall not Pass. Verdun, France, WW1. The most incredible display of bravery and will and soul and guts and anything you could ever face and overcome, against all odds. Verdun. If you ever have the opportunity to travel to Europe to see the battlefield of Verdun, you will be shocked at the terrain, pockmarked by thousands of German bombs that wiped whole villages off of the face of the earth. In the region, they still find remains of the dead. In Verdun, you will know the meaning of "They shall not pass." We here in the US, in this day and age, need to fight against the authoritarian and far right extremism that is threatening our country. Vive la France!
>The most incredible display of bravery and will and soul and guts and anything you could ever face and overcome, against all odds You do know it was the Germans who were fighting against the odds......and to take WW1 as an example is quite poor understanding.
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You trying to be smart or something? To use the German empire as an example of some "bravery" by French (who wanted that war) on fighting fascism is extremly dumb.
Tbf in WW part 2 it only took two weeks to take the whole of France.
Meanwhile in the the US, the majority are embracing facism.
A thing of beauty. Of only we could get our folks united around giving a fuck.
Man this gives me hope. Everything seems to be shifting further right but France really showed up when it mattered, merci à mes frères et sœurs Français.
There’s no hope for the USA. All of our candidates are garbage
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'the left' give the liberals some fucking credit, for once in their lives they deserve it. Oh wait nevermind I'm finding out it was mainly left candidates who dropped out.
Dems, are you paying attention?
Too bad the usa can't protest like this.
Excellent let's do the same with dirty trump here in November...
Those who know, know. Fuck yeah to this video!!!!! ☨☨☨☨☨☨☨
Fuck yeah!!!
Love to see it
France looked at the UK and saw what damage all this right wing garbage can really do to a country.
Our left have a old ass dude tho
The left is a set of ideals and goals. It is not dependent on a person, unlike the Right.
Your what? 😁
Packing to move into their new government offices.
Immigration is creating a rightward lurch in much of the developed world
Was that the Pirate Bay flag?
Fuck yeah Fascist pigs need to lose
Sorry, what’s the translation for “No(n) pasaran?”
They shall not pass. It's Spanish.
Yeah, take that you stupid "far right" bigots. What, you want to stop people intolerant to western values from entering our country, often illegally? Sorry, we don't allow "fascism" here.
Why are there no french flags?
They don't care about France
Or French Fries?
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Kier Starmer said he would always work with foreign leaders regardless of their political slant. That was when LePenn was looking to win. It will be interesting to see I'd his wording changes now the heroic French people have shown the way
America is never gonna do this lol we’re fucked
Vive la France! Fuck fascism!
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Headline on CNN: "france in chaos" When did CNN become Fox Lite? All I see on there anymore is pro corporate, fascist, BS. From, woa, how will the UK handle the left wing take over to "holy cow, place that hated being occupied by fascists in WWII, sends them packing AGAIN". What is going on ?
I pray the US looks the same in November!!
Let’s make it happen here!
“No Pasaran; the oath that helped us fight. adelante is still chanted in the hillsides. Let us all remember them tonight”
Always trust our french cousins to fight for the correct side of history.
USA needs this energy bad.
Not a single French flag... globalisation...
lol yeah let’s stop bullshitting. It was a massive gain the right and desperation by the left. Yet you read the comments like the left won something. That’s the kind of bullshit we need to stop spreading. That’s the kind of bullshit that relaxes people and allows more and more and more right wing seats to filled. Every single election so far.
Now the us!
I think this is what the right in the US wants to see in order for some to believe that the majority want democrats in power.
Germany please don't fuck this up
This feels pretty amazing! I'm a dual citizen, French mom, and American military MP father.