I was there right after it happened and a saint of a man was putting pressure on the chest wound and we could tell it was bad as the man struggled to breathe and some other folks were helping the man who got shot in the leg by putting a belt around his leg above the wound. The man who was dying was just laying in the street and it was so hard to not be able to help, so I just ran around calling out if anyone was a doctor. I then went back over and held this man's hand as he passed, and kept stroking his hand and telling him to hang on and he had a family who loved him. Police got there well before the EMT's and did CPR on him for a bit until he passed. I don't care what anyone did to provoke this or what they shouldn't have done. A man lost his life right there on the street during rush hour and someone else got caught in the way and was in excruciating pain. And it took medical personnel far, far, too long to get there. So many lives were changed in that blink of an eye. And all because someone with a grudge, a temper and goodness knows what else was going on in his head, had a gun and decided to pull the trigger.
I heard the shots and was by the scene as the one victim was screaming but as police had just gotten there I stayed at a distance.
If you’re the person who had just left the medical building (the same one I was in when it happened) then I was standing by you at 11th & Alder - you had a total look of bewilderment and looking like you wanted to cry but didn’t know how. I obviously didn’t know what you just went through…if I had I would have offered a shoulder to cry on.
No one got there fast enough as the only thing that would have saved him was to not have gotten shot. You said it was hard to not be able to help but I want you to know that you did help. You absolutely did.
If time goes by and you’re still really struggling with what happened feel free to DM me as I can make recommendations on resources.
In the meantime I just offer my warmth, support, and unfortunately my understanding.
Thank you. That was me- and I barely even remember how I felt other than in a daze and not processing what just happened. I remember a bunch of people at 11th and Alder trying to get to their cars in that lot there, and I didn't even know what to do at that point- like just walking back to my car didn't even make sense. I'm so sorry you had to also bare witness to such a horrifying scene. I was coming out of that building after getting an allergy shot, and I need to keep going in that building for more shots, which is going to be hard I know.
After he passed the police had me walk away because they "didn't want me to have to keep seeing it" which was weird considering I was right there when he passed and I could barely put one foot in front of the other- which was probably when you saw me. My husband and sister came downtown to pick up me and my car up. When I got home I crawled into bed and must have been in shock because I was freezing and shaking and could not warm up even cuddling with my 2 dogs and 2 cats and my coat and lots of blankets. My "fever" broke a few hours later.
I appreciate the offer of resources- I've been overwhelmed with the number of people who I know and don't know who have been contacting me- I don't even remember being interviewed by the news or Oregonian, but obviously I was which is why so many people have reached out.
Take care of yourself and hug your loved ones.
>And it took medical personnel far, far, too long to get there.
Source first: Worked with Law enforcement and I am a registered Paramedic
Medical personnel aren't allowed to show up until law enforcement thoroughly declares it safe. If law enforcement doesn't have the shooter and hasn't confirmed the presence of any outstanding shooters, no all-clear will be given. This could take a very long time.
Medical personnel are not allowed to go without the all-clear for several reasons, one of the biggest being insurance. This is due to the fact insurance won't cover it as it would be related to negligence and breach of contract. This is similar to a Walmart employee assuming the risk of stopping a shoplifter, which leads to the employee being fired.
There are other factors but I won't go into that unless you would like me to.
That's fucking terrifying! You're saying that if I'm involved in a shooting in a public place, EMS can't come and try to save me, my community, or my loved ones? I wish I didn't know that. Wow.
How are they going to save them selves or others against violence? They are unarmed. Even their code “do no harm” would all but guarantee their failure in such a situation.
Thank you so much for doing what you could. To be with someone in their suffering and fear, knowing that you can’t ‘help’ them, all you can do is sit with them—is so hard, and so many people turn away and can’t do it. But I think it’s the most important and human thing we can do. Because at the end of the day, every one of us will die, there is no help for that—and the best we can hope for is that some other human is willing to sit with us, see our pain, and just be present.
I have sat with people during some very rough experiences, though never death, and I have had strangers be present with me when I was in a huge amount of fear. All these things are still with me, and in each experience there were bystanders who did nothing, for various reasons. I am eternally grateful to the ones who help. We can’t ‘heal’, we can’t ‘fix’, but in the end that doesn’t matter. What matters is love expressed through our presence.
I’m sorry that this is taking a toll on you. It’s a traumatizing thing to experience. Holding you in my heart today.
I'm sending you my warmest mom hug and all the healing you deserve. You did your best. You gave a dying man comfort. That's one of the noblest things you can do in life. Take care.
You are such an amazing human being for helping this man. I have so much admiration for how you acted in this situation. I came up and talked to you after it happened.I wish I could’ve comforted you more. I hope you’re able to heal and see what a beautiful, brave person you are.
Experiencing something like this can be traumatic, I’m so sorry you witnessed this but I’m glad to hear that person had your hand to hold. Don’t hesitate to reach out to anyone if this experience becomes difficult to process. ♥️
Road rage simply isnt worth it, I dont engage back with people who are openly hostile. I am a big guy but too old to fight and people carry firearms in their cars.
I legitimately do this. I get angry driving around, but the bus almost puts me to sleep. You still encounter some lunacy, but not to the degree of what’s on the road.
A decade ago I commuted daily on Columbia and didn’t even think a thing about it. So much shit driving now, I only take it late if I absolutely have it.
It’s not like there haven’t been stabings on on TriMet or people being shoved onto the tracks. Violence is everywhere. Cops running red lights without using their lights are just as deadly. People are in such a hurry since the pandemic. I get road raged on the daily for obeying traffic laws. It’s abhorrent.
I was also there just moments before this happened. Went to an appointment, heard sirens, came out and the building and block were taped off and my car was inside the scene. My heart is so heavy for the victims. It’s always hard to read events like this, and it feels even more magnified to have been present for it.
A reminder that life is not a given.
Feeling so grateful to be home safe tonight, and heartbroken for those who are not.
Probably a good idea for you both to download tetris and get some playtime in.
E: Also, really sorry you guys had to go through that.
E: my bad, I should have explained a bit. Thank you, other person.
Wow thank you for the context re Tetris and what trauma symptoms linger. I didn’t know that & it took what was otherwise a kind comment to a weird spot.
Not sure but I've used them for calming down and refocusing. It feels to me like that is a correct statement though.
When doing the cube at home I had to move up to a 5*5 because I could do the standard without looking at the cube most of the time.
I got the 4x4 and 5x5 to help me with the 3x3. I still look at the 3x3 but find I don’t more often. And that’s cool, my mind and body moving together as my eyes observe the universe before.
The Tetris study was done a few years ago, specifically with people who'd just been in car crashes. Compared with the control group, the people who'd played Tetris within several hours of the crash ended up having fewer intrusive thoughts about the incident in the following weeks.
In other words, something about Tetris's particular type of gameplay — done fairly soon after a traumatic event — seemed to reduce incidents of PTSD. Of course it might vary among people, especially if one was a bystander and another was more involved in an incident, but it seems like a good thing to try if you're ever in a situation like that.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-03-28-tetris-used-prevent-post-traumatic-stress-symptoms
>dding onto this because I'm not sure it's clear from the first commenter: playing Tetris after a traumatic event makes you less likely to have persistent flashbacks (I believe that's what the original study said).
That's one of those things that so unexpected and random as a comment that you think "Nah, that can't be right". . . . and usually is some "Internet Fact" . . . but right you are, u/casualredditor-1 and u/phantomofthealleys \-- not just a "study", but one with a good sample size, published in a quality journal, much cited by others
Iyadurai, Lalitha, et al. "Preventing intrusive memories after trauma via a brief intervention involving Tetris computer game play in the emergency department: a proof-of-concept randomized controlled trial." Molecular psychiatry 23.3 (2018): 674-682. [https://www.nature.com/articles/mp201723](https://www.nature.com/articles/mp201723)
is the 2018 article (and Molecular Psychiatry is a heavyweight in the world of the chemistry of mind). In the experiment, it showed a medium sized impact in reducing intrusive memories of the event as measured
The idea for this came some years earlier, and suggested that a "cognitive vaccine" was possible, has a full explanation of how a "cognitive vaccine" might work.
Holmes, Emily A., et al. "Can playing the computer game “Tetris” reduce the build-up of flashbacks for trauma? A proposal from cognitive science." PloS one 4.1 (2009): e4153. [https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0004153](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0004153)
. . . where the authors predicted
>Flashbacks are the hallmark symptom of Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Although we have successful treatments for full-blown PTSD, early interventions are lacking. We propose the utility of developing a ‘cognitive vaccine’ to prevent PTSD flashback development following exposure to trauma. Our theory is based on two key findings:
1. Cognitive science suggests that the brain has selective resources with limited capacity;
2. The neurobiology of memory suggests a 6-hr window to disrupt memory consolidation.
>The rationale for a ‘cognitive vaccine’ approach is as follows: Trauma flashbacks are sensory-perceptual, visuospatial mental images. Visuospatial cognitive tasks selectively compete for resources required to generate mental images. Thus, a visuospatial computer game (e.g. “Tetris”) will interfere with flashbacks. Visuospatial tasks post-trauma, performed within the time window for memory consolidation, will reduce subsequent flashbacks. We predicted that playing “Tetris” half an hour after viewing trauma would reduce flashback frequency over 1-week.
I’m so curious how Tetris was discovered to help with this. Did an ambulance person have a game boy and gave it to a person after a car crash one day? However it happened, that’s super interesting!
This isn't just some shooting downtown, this is a road rage shooting. Someone was that big of an asshole that they felt like their gun was needed because they got angry while driving. Motorists are getting fucking dangerous.
People have lost their minds. Everyone seems on edge. I used to flip off people or do whatever when I was younger. I’ve recognized this trend towards a crazier world and just avoid conflict with strangers at all costs pretty much. You just never know when some small thing is going to set some unstable person off. My views on this have totally changed since having a kid 5 years ago.
Yup. That story out of California about the kid who was shot and killed because his mom flipped someone off changed how I interact with other drivers. It fucking haunts me.
Edit: a word for clarification
It's how guns poison a culture and give the most unstable in society a heckler's veto to be antisocial assholes, because everyone's too afraid of a gun to stand up.
I think that is too simplistic of a view. This is a multi faceted problem. Guns are part of it, mental health is part of it, a further and further distanced society is part of it, I believe lack of community is a big part. Too many factors to mention.
I’m just always curious how people are so impulsive as to throw their and someone else’s lives away.
Certain countries are just more violent than others, regardless of guns. For example Australia has a higher rate of gun ownership than Mexico or Brazil, yet Mexico and Brazil have much higher murder rates.
The U.S. has a higher murder rate excluding guns than the entire rate in most countries.
The outliers of Nations like Cypress or Switzerland are because all of the men were given guns as part of military training training. A very different context than gun ownership in the US.
>The outliers of Nations like Cypress or Switzerland are because all of the men were given guns as part of military training training
Well first of all, most men don't go through military. Hell, most Swiss males don't either
Secondly, we're talking less than 150k military-issued guns VS up to 3.5mio civilian-owned ones
My point is that take away gun deaths, and the U.S. still has a higher murder rate than the entire rate in most of Western Europe, East Asia, or Australia guns included.
Let’s not be so quick to rule out that the US has a greater number and severity of unstable people than other countries. Certainly wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
Decades ago the murder rate was higher than it is today. The homicide rate in 2021 the most recent year available was 7.8 [according to the CDC.](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm) By all accounts rates have declined since then. Ten years ago in 2013 the murder rate was 4.5, one of the lowest in a 60 year timespan. In 2003 it was 5.7, in 1993 it was 9.5, in 1983 it was 8.3, 1973 9.4, and 1963 it was 4.6. So 30+ years ago was mich more dangerous.
Same here, I used to do things like that too, but these days it seems like it is too hard to tell who is about to snap and willing to hurt or kill someone.
Even with out the chance of getting shot, I currently am most afraid of getting hit by a car lately. It is something else out in the streets. Just before I wrote this I was crossing burnside, two lanes both ways, pedestrian island in the center. Stopped at the middle and was blown by by 5 cars all doing well over the speed limit. After the cleared a lady waiting to turn out shouted to me “I thought they were suppose to stop for pedestrians!?!”. Me too nice lady, me too.
Sometime stand on a curb of a residential street and watch cars go by. At least 1 in 5 drivers will be looking down texting. It seems to be more common on the quiet residential streets than anything.
I always look inside a car before moving forward, I can't tell you how many people look up right as they would have been hitting me. I often make it look like I was about to go so they get scared and maybe think to look the WHOLE time they are driving next time.
this this this. I walk every where I go and there are incidents every day (people not stopping at a pedestrian cross, blowing red lights, riding vehicles on sidewalks)
Drivers also pull completely into the pedestrian cross at red lights. I regularly have to walk into traffic to walk around a car that is fully in the pedestrian cross.
This isn’t the first time someone in Oregon was shot and killed over road rage either. Wasn’t there a dude shot on Hwy 26 a couple years ago because he flipped someone off and they shot him with his girlfriend and kid in the car?
I watched TWO drivers get into the middle lane to pass someone driving more than the speed limit during rush hour traffic yesterday - morning and afternoon. Both times the drivers sped past two or three cars just to get ahead and drive faster using the middle lane as a driving lane. Drivers are getting WILD.
Y’all’s reactions really drive the point home how much Stockholm syndrome people have where I’m from, because in Houston it’s common knowledge not to provoke anyone in traffic given the rate of road rage shootings that take place.
I was an eye witness.
Actually the person who was shot (and I assume the deceased) got angry (while driving) at someone parked poorly and got out to confront the other driver (shooter).
Same to you, so glad you and your wife are safe. Sounds like we had the same plan. Not knowing where the line of fire was had me running. I ran into the older hotel on 11th to hide and wait.
Agree road rage is dumb.
The only reason to bring a gun somewhere is because you intend to kill something and clearly that’s exactly what happened.
There’s more to this story out now and the shooter, Hammond, is an absolute terror. He deserves to never see the outside of a cell again
I see that now, thank you.
I was waiting for the 15 bus when this happened and had no idea where the shot came from. I was so confused coming out of the shock later trying to figure out what happened.
I think it was, I was a few feet away from that black Mercedes. I heard a couple of “fuck you”, at first I thought it was a backfire until I seen a few Spanish women running. Then I got the fuck outta there.
Yeah you should 100% call the police department and get in for a statement and possible ID of the shooter.
If its the same guy it will assist in putting his ass away for some time.
They can probably pull nearby camera footage to try to confirm lic. plate depending on whatever is around there as needed.
So fucking disgusting. I got off the streetcar about 20 minutes after it happened. saw the dead body in the street. A poor lady was in shock and told me that she hopes someone knows that she held the man’s hand as he passed- that he did not pass alone. I feel so bad for the families and all that were traumatized by this selfish event.
The OL article mentions a woman holding his hand as he passed. I’m glad to hear that her message made it out there. What a terrible thing, but what a beautiful instance of humanity in the midst of it. I’m so sorry you had to witness the aftermath.
In May 2023, Hammond filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Court records indicate he owed roughly $34,000 in credit card debit and was out of a job after his company closed. Hammond owns an $890,000 home in Portland’s West Hills, a 2020 Mercedes SUV and four firearms, according to court documents
I was there when this happened. I work in an office on that block. I heard three loud noises (I've heard gunfire described as all sorts of things, but when you're that close it's just LOUD NOISE), so I looked out my window, which looks down into the target across the street. I could see people running inside the target and the security guards moving people away from the windows, so I figured it was a shooting and that someone had a gun.
I felt safe inside my office but the scary part was that I didn't know for sure what was going on--my instincts were telling me to get out of there but I didn't know if there was still someone with a gun outside, and I wasn't able to find anything on the internet for hours.
The cops intentionally shut off access to police scanners from the public. So the number everyone calls with public safety information is currently a black hole that takes info in and then it's gone until they regurgitate it slowly over the course of years in a way that protects them and whatever other narratives they prefer.
I work on SW 4th and Pine. We were hearing constant sirens from our office for a straight hour. I was wondering what that was about. Worse than I thought.
Two ironies:
Across from the Target that is closing because of crime.
Across from the new Ritz Carlton
In all seriousness, as I only experienced it from a distance and know there are people on here that witnessed it if there are people who have good resources for those witnessing traumatic experiences I’d love to see them posted here.
Seriously, right in front of where millionaires are supposed to buy penthouses and apartments. It is getting increasingly worse in that area, especially in the street below Target and SW Park Ave. Tons of open-air drug activity as well. Imagine spending tons of money to stay or eat in the Ritz Carlton and it is located in one of the worst areas in the city.
Irony is the opposite of what you expect to happen. A shooting in front of a store closing because of crime isn't ironic at all. It is exactly what you'd expect to happen.
Hope this guy rots in prison for the remainder of his life. What an irresponsible gun owner. Guns aren't for solving arguments, can't believe this has to be said.
With a handgun? No, not really.
Edit:
> Update: so the people downvoting this don't agree hunting uses guns, thus making his statement false? 🙄
They’re downvoting you because it’s a dumb, out of context comparison to make. I explained this to you before you even made this edit.
I meant maybe go out hunting more before you start claiming to know what hunters use. There are some permits that are strictly for hunting with a handgun.
Is this fucking SNL Celebrity Jeopardy or something? Everyone seems to not get the one very basic point I'm making: Primary-Elevator5324 made a ridiculous assertion and I replied that it's wrong. The end.
You're being pedantic and side stepping the point so I'm poking fun. No shit it's a little hyperbolic to say all guns serve one purpose. But if you've got a gun in your god damn center console, it actually does serve a single purpose: killing people. I'd wager that every gun you find on a person in downtown Portland is meant for that single purpose too.
If they had said guns are just for killing, then that's a different statement. I know people who shoot guns but as far as I know have never used them to kill anything, so I'd still disagree, but it's a different thing to argue for sure.
Well, yeah. But they *should* be for self-defense only..
( it's probably for the best that I don't own a gun. My temper would probably land me in prison...)
Not sure if this has been posted.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/downtown-portland-shooting-geoffrey-hammond-finance-fund-suspect-charged/283-7e0efeb4-b439-4e21-9533-e0ac40633343
Wow, that’s worse than I thought. The first article just mentioned a road rage incident, so I thought it was a heat of the moment shooting but this dude really intended to execute those people.
More about the shooter:
*"In May 2023, Hammond filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Court records indicate he owed roughly $34,000 in credit card debit and was out of a job after his company closed. Hammond owns an $890,000 home in Portland’s West Hills, a 2020 Mercedes SUV and four firearms, according to court documents.*
*Witnesses told KGW that the driver of a black Mercedes SUV shot two people at the intersection of Southwest 10th Avenue and Alder Street on Wednesday afternoon. Police initially said that they’d detained someone in connection with the shooting, later saying that they’d booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center.*
*Hammond now faces multiple charges, including murder in the second degree with a firearm, attempted murder in the second degree with a firearm, assault in the first degree with a firearm, and two counts of unlawful use of a weapon.*
*Hammond, who is single with no children, has two traffic tickets in Multnomah County, according to court records. The federal bankruptcy filing indicates Hammond previously used the name Jeffrey Edward Mandalis. Court records indicate Mandalis has a criminal history in Illinois including charges of assault, vandalism, trespassing and domestic battery. "*
Sounds like a real gem.
Because despite all the hate, the two people who were shot were out of their vehicle, which means they were angry enough to get out of their vehicle to confront the driver.
A good lawyer could argue he felt seriously threatened by two assailants coming to attack or even car Jack him, which there’s been a rise in.
He’s not guilty until proven so by a court of law, not the comment section of Reddit.
Sounds like the Mercedes driver (alleged shooter) drove to 1st and Jefferson and called 911…. So drove to the police station to turn themselves in? Supports your self-defense hypothesis.
Id like to comment here that the definition of deadly force self defense as a first strike action is an interesting claim.
For all we know he shot a guy who was just going to yell some harsh words.
Sorry I don't think I'll go along with definin black SUV dudes actions as justified self defense.
I'll wait for the police report for final judgment. If on the street dude who got shot had a gun fine, but haven't seen one thing indicating a weapon or a physical hostile action other than walking towards someone.
...and if walking towards someone can get you fatally shot in "self defense" our society is fucked.
... and he fired three rounds, hitting one other person that doesn't sound like they approached...so
I don't want to detract away from a comment below of someone's direct experience with this, but they say they saw someone used a belt on a victim's leg. But I think this is vitally important to say EVERYONE SHOULD BE CARRYING TOURNIQUETS. They are extremely easy to use and far FAR more effective than a belt, belts will not be able to cut off blood supply as effectively as a tourniquet. Find and take a stop the bleed class, they run through how to pack wounds effectively as well as tourniquet usage. As this story shows, you never know when you may need something like this to save a life. https://www.redcross.org/store/american-red-cross-tactical-tourniquet-by-tactical-medical-solutions/SOFTT-W-RC.html
Happened right in front of me. Saw the first guy go down. Didn't know there was another one until I saw it later on the news. We ducked into a store nearby. The bang was so loud and then he was screaming and clutching himself.
There are enough problems In Downtown Portland. No one who is that provokable should have a gun. The Mercedes’ piece somehow makes it worse because it really seems like if he is in a place to be driving a Mercedes’ he could have made better choices and not taken away some one’s husband and possibly father. So so wrong.
A lot to unpack here. One thing about road rage is you never know how someone you confront is going to respond. Not condoning the shooter, but just a lesson in general about letting things go. Probably more to the story than we can say based on a few eye witness and second hand reports.
If it was stolen when he turned himself in he’s gonna get charged for murder, attempted murder and a stolen vehicle, unlawful use of a weapon…..probably be out on bail by Friday am
Please tell me again why just anyone should be able to buy any gun they want without any training, waiting period, or even just checking them out??? Gun owners have proven themselves to be an irresponsible group who need lots of regulation. This is stupid and gotten well out of hand.
Just because some dusty old piece of paper said so a couple hundred years ago is wearing thin as a justification for every moron with anger issues and poor judgment to be able to buy killing machines at will.
Regardless how we got here, there are 400M guns on the streets. You ain’t getting rid of them. MAD doctrine suggests you’d better arm yourself.
Anyways, I am pretty sure US political history would include plenty of dictatorships if it wasn’t for the second amendment.
Mutually assured destruction did not stop these chuckleheads. That sounds to me like you acknowledge that this is not a good situation, but having every citizen strapped and ready to kill at all times is no solution, it sounds like a living hell and no place I want to live.
Gun owners, you’ve lost the plot completely. You’re so worried about losing your means to kill that we’re all starting to really worry about you.
My husband and I were in the Target on 10th and Morrison when this happened, our car was parked on 10th in between Morrison and Alder. Parked in a 15 min spot, went into Target to get our boosters at the CVS inside, waited the allotted 15 min after the shot and then tried to go outside, in that 15 minutes the shooting happened. Our car was then determined to be part of the active crime scene and we weren't able to access it or drive home for 4 hours. How depressingly "Portland" is that, to get a vaccine and come outside to see a shooting just happened. Madness.
Just out of curiosity, do people who live here feel like the city is headed in the right direction? I moved away and am visiting right now. Walked by this murder scene. And that wasn't even the crazy thing, it's just nonstop addicts doing drugs. I breathed in so much fent on my walk. Portland feels even worse than it was a year ago.
This answer best fits my perspective as well. We have a lot of work to do to get back to 10 years ago Portland, which of course even back then wasn't perfect. But we are noticeably better than we were two years ago, from my perspective of somebody who goes downtown, both day and night, regularly. I want to see more improvement, of course, and I know it will take lots of time and hard work. But I see nothing that comes even close to making me want to abandon this very unique and in many ways still amazing city.
I think you're right, even though I live in a pretty dingy part of town. ( I will probably be employed full-time soon, so that has me in a better mood than the last couple of years.. )
Yes. I’ve worked downtown for almost 18 years, and I’m positive about the direction of the city. It’s never been as bad as the toxic doomers on this sub have claimed, and it certainly isn’t now. Portland has grown significantly in a relatively shorty period of time, and we have some big city problems. But we also still have much of the beauty and wonderfulness we’ve always had, and I am happy to live here.
Let's put this incident in context. This has nothing to do with Portland being a "lawless hellhole." This is an isolated incident resulting from someone not being able to control their emotions while having access to a firearm.
There is no part of this that can or should be put on Portland as a whole. That said, it's gonna get put on Portland as a whole.
There are so many isolated incidents resulting from people not being able to control their emotions while having access to a firearm though.
Almost a pattern.
Not to me. I drove from South Portland to outer NE to Powell Butte today, and there were some sketchy spots, but it seemed a lot better than a year ago.
If you can smell it, you’re inhaling some level of compound for the molecules to reach your olfactory system. So yes, they likely inhaled some amount of whatever residual is emitted when fent is smoked
I was there right after it happened and a saint of a man was putting pressure on the chest wound and we could tell it was bad as the man struggled to breathe and some other folks were helping the man who got shot in the leg by putting a belt around his leg above the wound. The man who was dying was just laying in the street and it was so hard to not be able to help, so I just ran around calling out if anyone was a doctor. I then went back over and held this man's hand as he passed, and kept stroking his hand and telling him to hang on and he had a family who loved him. Police got there well before the EMT's and did CPR on him for a bit until he passed. I don't care what anyone did to provoke this or what they shouldn't have done. A man lost his life right there on the street during rush hour and someone else got caught in the way and was in excruciating pain. And it took medical personnel far, far, too long to get there. So many lives were changed in that blink of an eye. And all because someone with a grudge, a temper and goodness knows what else was going on in his head, had a gun and decided to pull the trigger.
I heard the shots and was by the scene as the one victim was screaming but as police had just gotten there I stayed at a distance. If you’re the person who had just left the medical building (the same one I was in when it happened) then I was standing by you at 11th & Alder - you had a total look of bewilderment and looking like you wanted to cry but didn’t know how. I obviously didn’t know what you just went through…if I had I would have offered a shoulder to cry on. No one got there fast enough as the only thing that would have saved him was to not have gotten shot. You said it was hard to not be able to help but I want you to know that you did help. You absolutely did. If time goes by and you’re still really struggling with what happened feel free to DM me as I can make recommendations on resources. In the meantime I just offer my warmth, support, and unfortunately my understanding.
Thank you. That was me- and I barely even remember how I felt other than in a daze and not processing what just happened. I remember a bunch of people at 11th and Alder trying to get to their cars in that lot there, and I didn't even know what to do at that point- like just walking back to my car didn't even make sense. I'm so sorry you had to also bare witness to such a horrifying scene. I was coming out of that building after getting an allergy shot, and I need to keep going in that building for more shots, which is going to be hard I know. After he passed the police had me walk away because they "didn't want me to have to keep seeing it" which was weird considering I was right there when he passed and I could barely put one foot in front of the other- which was probably when you saw me. My husband and sister came downtown to pick up me and my car up. When I got home I crawled into bed and must have been in shock because I was freezing and shaking and could not warm up even cuddling with my 2 dogs and 2 cats and my coat and lots of blankets. My "fever" broke a few hours later. I appreciate the offer of resources- I've been overwhelmed with the number of people who I know and don't know who have been contacting me- I don't even remember being interviewed by the news or Oregonian, but obviously I was which is why so many people have reached out. Take care of yourself and hug your loved ones.
Just wow. Thank you for trying to do what you could. Please take care of yourself!
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>And it took medical personnel far, far, too long to get there. Source first: Worked with Law enforcement and I am a registered Paramedic Medical personnel aren't allowed to show up until law enforcement thoroughly declares it safe. If law enforcement doesn't have the shooter and hasn't confirmed the presence of any outstanding shooters, no all-clear will be given. This could take a very long time. Medical personnel are not allowed to go without the all-clear for several reasons, one of the biggest being insurance. This is due to the fact insurance won't cover it as it would be related to negligence and breach of contract. This is similar to a Walmart employee assuming the risk of stopping a shoplifter, which leads to the employee being fired. There are other factors but I won't go into that unless you would like me to.
That’s….bleak…
That's fucking terrifying! You're saying that if I'm involved in a shooting in a public place, EMS can't come and try to save me, my community, or my loved ones? I wish I didn't know that. Wow.
How are they going to save them selves or others against violence? They are unarmed. Even their code “do no harm” would all but guarantee their failure in such a situation.
I mean, I get it. I do. It's just... hard to comprehend bc I know these service jobs to be about protecting me. This is so opposite.
You're the person that Mr. Roger's told us to look for. Thank you.
They're the person Mr. Rodgers was telling children to look for. More importantly, they're the person Mr. Rodgers was telling adults to be.
Well I was a child when Mr. Roger's told me that.
Same here, but let's not lose the lesson. As adults we should be the helpers or there will be terribly few for the children see.
I was just trying to be supportive of the person who went through a traumatic event.
I’ve been in your exact situation, in Chicago 12 years ago. Talk to someone about it. It’s not your fault and you did everything you could.
Thank you so much for doing what you could. To be with someone in their suffering and fear, knowing that you can’t ‘help’ them, all you can do is sit with them—is so hard, and so many people turn away and can’t do it. But I think it’s the most important and human thing we can do. Because at the end of the day, every one of us will die, there is no help for that—and the best we can hope for is that some other human is willing to sit with us, see our pain, and just be present. I have sat with people during some very rough experiences, though never death, and I have had strangers be present with me when I was in a huge amount of fear. All these things are still with me, and in each experience there were bystanders who did nothing, for various reasons. I am eternally grateful to the ones who help. We can’t ‘heal’, we can’t ‘fix’, but in the end that doesn’t matter. What matters is love expressed through our presence. I’m sorry that this is taking a toll on you. It’s a traumatizing thing to experience. Holding you in my heart today.
I'm sending you my warmest mom hug and all the healing you deserve. You did your best. You gave a dying man comfort. That's one of the noblest things you can do in life. Take care.
You are such an amazing human being for helping this man. I have so much admiration for how you acted in this situation. I came up and talked to you after it happened.I wish I could’ve comforted you more. I hope you’re able to heal and see what a beautiful, brave person you are.
Experiencing something like this can be traumatic, I’m so sorry you witnessed this but I’m glad to hear that person had your hand to hold. Don’t hesitate to reach out to anyone if this experience becomes difficult to process. ♥️
If you're willing to kill because of traffic, kindly go fuck yourself.
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Have you checked to see if the other Portland homicides were done primarily with an illegal gun?
So fucking unnecessary. Road rage? In downtown PORTLAND? Jesus fucking Christ. People have lost their goddamn minds.
Road rage simply isnt worth it, I dont engage back with people who are openly hostile. I am a big guy but too old to fight and people carry firearms in their cars.
I'll just take Tri-Met.
I legitimately do this. I get angry driving around, but the bus almost puts me to sleep. You still encounter some lunacy, but not to the degree of what’s on the road.
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A decade ago I commuted daily on Columbia and didn’t even think a thing about it. So much shit driving now, I only take it late if I absolutely have it.
It’s not like there haven’t been stabings on on TriMet or people being shoved onto the tracks. Violence is everywhere. Cops running red lights without using their lights are just as deadly. People are in such a hurry since the pandemic. I get road raged on the daily for obeying traffic laws. It’s abhorrent.
how many people have been killed on trimet vs other modes this year? taking transit is significantly safer than driving
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I was also there just moments before this happened. Went to an appointment, heard sirens, came out and the building and block were taped off and my car was inside the scene. My heart is so heavy for the victims. It’s always hard to read events like this, and it feels even more magnified to have been present for it. A reminder that life is not a given. Feeling so grateful to be home safe tonight, and heartbroken for those who are not.
Damn, so sorry you had to experience that.
Probably a good idea for you both to download tetris and get some playtime in. E: Also, really sorry you guys had to go through that. E: my bad, I should have explained a bit. Thank you, other person.
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Wow thank you for the context re Tetris and what trauma symptoms linger. I didn’t know that & it took what was otherwise a kind comment to a weird spot.
Yeah, Tetris has pulled me through some really tough shit. That and music helped me find myself again.
You think Rubik’s cubes would work too? I find them relaxing and noticing my anxiety drop if I have it out in public. Analog version of Tetris maybe.
Not sure but I've used them for calming down and refocusing. It feels to me like that is a correct statement though. When doing the cube at home I had to move up to a 5*5 because I could do the standard without looking at the cube most of the time.
I got the 4x4 and 5x5 to help me with the 3x3. I still look at the 3x3 but find I don’t more often. And that’s cool, my mind and body moving together as my eyes observe the universe before.
Interesting. I’d never heard of this! Wow.
Reddits “today I learned” moment for me, interesting!
The Tetris study was done a few years ago, specifically with people who'd just been in car crashes. Compared with the control group, the people who'd played Tetris within several hours of the crash ended up having fewer intrusive thoughts about the incident in the following weeks. In other words, something about Tetris's particular type of gameplay — done fairly soon after a traumatic event — seemed to reduce incidents of PTSD. Of course it might vary among people, especially if one was a bystander and another was more involved in an incident, but it seems like a good thing to try if you're ever in a situation like that. https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-03-28-tetris-used-prevent-post-traumatic-stress-symptoms
>dding onto this because I'm not sure it's clear from the first commenter: playing Tetris after a traumatic event makes you less likely to have persistent flashbacks (I believe that's what the original study said). That's one of those things that so unexpected and random as a comment that you think "Nah, that can't be right". . . . and usually is some "Internet Fact" . . . but right you are, u/casualredditor-1 and u/phantomofthealleys \-- not just a "study", but one with a good sample size, published in a quality journal, much cited by others Iyadurai, Lalitha, et al. "Preventing intrusive memories after trauma via a brief intervention involving Tetris computer game play in the emergency department: a proof-of-concept randomized controlled trial." Molecular psychiatry 23.3 (2018): 674-682. [https://www.nature.com/articles/mp201723](https://www.nature.com/articles/mp201723) is the 2018 article (and Molecular Psychiatry is a heavyweight in the world of the chemistry of mind). In the experiment, it showed a medium sized impact in reducing intrusive memories of the event as measured The idea for this came some years earlier, and suggested that a "cognitive vaccine" was possible, has a full explanation of how a "cognitive vaccine" might work. Holmes, Emily A., et al. "Can playing the computer game “Tetris” reduce the build-up of flashbacks for trauma? A proposal from cognitive science." PloS one 4.1 (2009): e4153. [https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0004153](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0004153) . . . where the authors predicted >Flashbacks are the hallmark symptom of Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Although we have successful treatments for full-blown PTSD, early interventions are lacking. We propose the utility of developing a ‘cognitive vaccine’ to prevent PTSD flashback development following exposure to trauma. Our theory is based on two key findings: 1. Cognitive science suggests that the brain has selective resources with limited capacity; 2. The neurobiology of memory suggests a 6-hr window to disrupt memory consolidation. >The rationale for a ‘cognitive vaccine’ approach is as follows: Trauma flashbacks are sensory-perceptual, visuospatial mental images. Visuospatial cognitive tasks selectively compete for resources required to generate mental images. Thus, a visuospatial computer game (e.g. “Tetris”) will interfere with flashbacks. Visuospatial tasks post-trauma, performed within the time window for memory consolidation, will reduce subsequent flashbacks. We predicted that playing “Tetris” half an hour after viewing trauma would reduce flashback frequency over 1-week.
I’m so curious how Tetris was discovered to help with this. Did an ambulance person have a game boy and gave it to a person after a car crash one day? However it happened, that’s super interesting!
Aspire? They’re great lol I was there today too. Scary to think that I missed this by just a few hours.
This isn't just some shooting downtown, this is a road rage shooting. Someone was that big of an asshole that they felt like their gun was needed because they got angry while driving. Motorists are getting fucking dangerous.
People have lost their minds. Everyone seems on edge. I used to flip off people or do whatever when I was younger. I’ve recognized this trend towards a crazier world and just avoid conflict with strangers at all costs pretty much. You just never know when some small thing is going to set some unstable person off. My views on this have totally changed since having a kid 5 years ago.
Yup. That story out of California about the kid who was shot and killed because his mom flipped someone off changed how I interact with other drivers. It fucking haunts me. Edit: a word for clarification
It's how guns poison a culture and give the most unstable in society a heckler's veto to be antisocial assholes, because everyone's too afraid of a gun to stand up.
I think that is too simplistic of a view. This is a multi faceted problem. Guns are part of it, mental health is part of it, a further and further distanced society is part of it, I believe lack of community is a big part. Too many factors to mention. I’m just always curious how people are so impulsive as to throw their and someone else’s lives away.
> Guns are part of it, mental health is part of it, Every country has crazy people. Guns embolden them here.
Certain countries are just more violent than others, regardless of guns. For example Australia has a higher rate of gun ownership than Mexico or Brazil, yet Mexico and Brazil have much higher murder rates. The U.S. has a higher murder rate excluding guns than the entire rate in most countries.
In Australia it’s only legal to have rifles. Mexico and Brazil you can have pistolas. Pistols are by nature killing tools.
Australia had an incredibly low murder rate long before they implemented gun control.
The outliers of Nations like Cypress or Switzerland are because all of the men were given guns as part of military training training. A very different context than gun ownership in the US.
>The outliers of Nations like Cypress or Switzerland are because all of the men were given guns as part of military training training Well first of all, most men don't go through military. Hell, most Swiss males don't either Secondly, we're talking less than 150k military-issued guns VS up to 3.5mio civilian-owned ones
My point is that take away gun deaths, and the U.S. still has a higher murder rate than the entire rate in most of Western Europe, East Asia, or Australia guns included.
Let’s not be so quick to rule out that the US has a greater number and severity of unstable people than other countries. Certainly wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
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We have an amazing unhealthcare system.
If anything we actually have less lead poisoning and air pollution than other countries, we likely have fewer rates of mental illness.
It's like that poor kid that was murdered in Bend a year or two. An altercation outside a bar turned to murder because one of them had a gun.
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Decades ago the murder rate was higher than it is today. The homicide rate in 2021 the most recent year available was 7.8 [according to the CDC.](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm) By all accounts rates have declined since then. Ten years ago in 2013 the murder rate was 4.5, one of the lowest in a 60 year timespan. In 2003 it was 5.7, in 1993 it was 9.5, in 1983 it was 8.3, 1973 9.4, and 1963 it was 4.6. So 30+ years ago was mich more dangerous.
Leaded gas, what a stupid idea that was.
Total same.
Same here, I used to do things like that too, but these days it seems like it is too hard to tell who is about to snap and willing to hurt or kill someone.
Even with out the chance of getting shot, I currently am most afraid of getting hit by a car lately. It is something else out in the streets. Just before I wrote this I was crossing burnside, two lanes both ways, pedestrian island in the center. Stopped at the middle and was blown by by 5 cars all doing well over the speed limit. After the cleared a lady waiting to turn out shouted to me “I thought they were suppose to stop for pedestrians!?!”. Me too nice lady, me too.
Sometime stand on a curb of a residential street and watch cars go by. At least 1 in 5 drivers will be looking down texting. It seems to be more common on the quiet residential streets than anything.
I always look inside a car before moving forward, I can't tell you how many people look up right as they would have been hitting me. I often make it look like I was about to go so they get scared and maybe think to look the WHOLE time they are driving next time.
this this this. I walk every where I go and there are incidents every day (people not stopping at a pedestrian cross, blowing red lights, riding vehicles on sidewalks) Drivers also pull completely into the pedestrian cross at red lights. I regularly have to walk into traffic to walk around a car that is fully in the pedestrian cross.
Car accidents kill about 1.5-3x more people a year than gun homicides.
car crashes.
This isn’t the first time someone in Oregon was shot and killed over road rage either. Wasn’t there a dude shot on Hwy 26 a couple years ago because he flipped someone off and they shot him with his girlfriend and kid in the car? I watched TWO drivers get into the middle lane to pass someone driving more than the speed limit during rush hour traffic yesterday - morning and afternoon. Both times the drivers sped past two or three cars just to get ahead and drive faster using the middle lane as a driving lane. Drivers are getting WILD.
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/07/road-rage-shooting-claims-tigard-father-while-driving-from-the-oregon-coast.html
Y’all’s reactions really drive the point home how much Stockholm syndrome people have where I’m from, because in Houston it’s common knowledge not to provoke anyone in traffic given the rate of road rage shootings that take place.
Which is a sad reality of having a gun fetish society.
Was this confirmed? The road rage part?
I was an eye witness. Actually the person who was shot (and I assume the deceased) got angry (while driving) at someone parked poorly and got out to confront the other driver (shooter).
I was there waiting for the bus but didn’t see any of that before running. I’m glad you’re okay.
Jeez that's awful. Sorry you had to see that.
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Same to you, so glad you and your wife are safe. Sounds like we had the same plan. Not knowing where the line of fire was had me running. I ran into the older hotel on 11th to hide and wait.
So the shooter was the one in the Mercedes and they took off? This is crazy. People need to stop confronting others over stupid shit.
Agree road rage is dumb. The only reason to bring a gun somewhere is because you intend to kill something and clearly that’s exactly what happened. There’s more to this story out now and the shooter, Hammond, is an absolute terror. He deserves to never see the outside of a cell again
I am going off of what was reported in the article.
I see that now, thank you. I was waiting for the 15 bus when this happened and had no idea where the shot came from. I was so confused coming out of the shock later trying to figure out what happened.
No worries, that has to be an alarming experience
I think it was, I was a few feet away from that black Mercedes. I heard a couple of “fuck you”, at first I thought it was a backfire until I seen a few Spanish women running. Then I got the fuck outta there.
Well if it was Spanish (?) women running, then that’s a big deal.
Getting? I’d say they’ve been dangerous for quite some time now.
Getting in the general sense.
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Sounds like a similar description on the car…
Yeah you should 100% call the police department and get in for a statement and possible ID of the shooter. If its the same guy it will assist in putting his ass away for some time. They can probably pull nearby camera footage to try to confirm lic. plate depending on whatever is around there as needed.
So fucking disgusting. I got off the streetcar about 20 minutes after it happened. saw the dead body in the street. A poor lady was in shock and told me that she hopes someone knows that she held the man’s hand as he passed- that he did not pass alone. I feel so bad for the families and all that were traumatized by this selfish event.
This is so tragic for everyone involved and it sounds like that woman posted here in a comment thread above. 😢
The OL article mentions a woman holding his hand as he passed. I’m glad to hear that her message made it out there. What a terrible thing, but what a beautiful instance of humanity in the midst of it. I’m so sorry you had to witness the aftermath.
I think that person actually commented in this thread
I just saw that :) thank you and take care!
In May 2023, Hammond filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Court records indicate he owed roughly $34,000 in credit card debit and was out of a job after his company closed. Hammond owns an $890,000 home in Portland’s West Hills, a 2020 Mercedes SUV and four firearms, according to court documents
Oof. All the ingredients of a mental breakdown.
I was there when this happened. I work in an office on that block. I heard three loud noises (I've heard gunfire described as all sorts of things, but when you're that close it's just LOUD NOISE), so I looked out my window, which looks down into the target across the street. I could see people running inside the target and the security guards moving people away from the windows, so I figured it was a shooting and that someone had a gun. I felt safe inside my office but the scary part was that I didn't know for sure what was going on--my instincts were telling me to get out of there but I didn't know if there was still someone with a gun outside, and I wasn't able to find anything on the internet for hours.
The cops intentionally shut off access to police scanners from the public. So the number everyone calls with public safety information is currently a black hole that takes info in and then it's gone until they regurgitate it slowly over the course of years in a way that protects them and whatever other narratives they prefer.
Shooter name is Geoffrey E. Hammond here's a vid interview of him: https://youtu.be/AQm1vyV4FiI?si=nsdjBEpmIzPYrgBw
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I work on SW 4th and Pine. We were hearing constant sirens from our office for a straight hour. I was wondering what that was about. Worse than I thought.
Two ironies: Across from the Target that is closing because of crime. Across from the new Ritz Carlton In all seriousness, as I only experienced it from a distance and know there are people on here that witnessed it if there are people who have good resources for those witnessing traumatic experiences I’d love to see them posted here.
Seriously, right in front of where millionaires are supposed to buy penthouses and apartments. It is getting increasingly worse in that area, especially in the street below Target and SW Park Ave. Tons of open-air drug activity as well. Imagine spending tons of money to stay or eat in the Ritz Carlton and it is located in one of the worst areas in the city.
The guy who did the shooting was in a Mercedes and likely owned a blockchain company. So this was the "millionaire".
> blockchain company Somehow this makes me despise him even more.
That ritz is going to be where super rich people park their money in an asset. I bet it will never be more than partly occupied by actual owners.
Irony is the opposite of what you expect to happen. A shooting in front of a store closing because of crime isn't ironic at all. It is exactly what you'd expect to happen.
Hope this guy rots in prison for the remainder of his life. What an irresponsible gun owner. Guns aren't for solving arguments, can't believe this has to be said.
Guns are for fucking killing people, bro
Sure and they also aren't for solving arguments. 🤷🏼♂️
Guns serve one purpose:to kill other people. It doesn’t matter what your reason is.
It absolutely matters what the reason is.
Does the bullet not work if the reason is invalid?
It may matter to the people involved in the gun violence, but ultimately someone killed someone else and the gun was able to serve its purpose.
Yeah, but why are you saying this? It’s weird.
Not exactly. People use guns for hunting and recreation too.
Nope, that’s not true
You have never heard of hunting? Update: so the people downvoting this don't agree hunting uses guns, thus making his statement false? 🙄
With a handgun? No, not really. Edit: > Update: so the people downvoting this don't agree hunting uses guns, thus making his statement false? 🙄 They’re downvoting you because it’s a dumb, out of context comparison to make. I explained this to you before you even made this edit.
Get out more, it's a thing.
I go out lots! It’s how I know all the people claiming “Portland is just a big homeless war zone” are full of shit.
I meant maybe go out hunting more before you start claiming to know what hunters use. There are some permits that are strictly for hunting with a handgun.
Does the post I'm replying to say handgun? Because I read "guns."
Almost like the context is an article of someone being shot with a handgun in downtown Portland. “nOt alL guNs!”
Hunting doesn’t generally make the news unless you’re Dick Cheney
> Guns serve one purpose:to kill other people. This is patently false because hunting exists. That is my one and only point.
Right, let's not exclude other animals when it comes to all the killing. There's enough to go around.
Is this fucking SNL Celebrity Jeopardy or something? Everyone seems to not get the one very basic point I'm making: Primary-Elevator5324 made a ridiculous assertion and I replied that it's wrong. The end.
Yeah I'm mind blown at how people are responding, too.
You're being pedantic and side stepping the point so I'm poking fun. No shit it's a little hyperbolic to say all guns serve one purpose. But if you've got a gun in your god damn center console, it actually does serve a single purpose: killing people. I'd wager that every gun you find on a person in downtown Portland is meant for that single purpose too.
In case you’re that thick. Hunting is also killing. But you go off
If they had said guns are just for killing, then that's a different statement. I know people who shoot guns but as far as I know have never used them to kill anything, so I'd still disagree, but it's a different thing to argue for sure.
You’re 100% correct. Killing humans is not the only use case for firearms.
Was this guy hunting while in traffic downtown? Was the gun used a gun that's typically used when hunting?
Well, yeah. But they *should* be for self-defense only.. ( it's probably for the best that I don't own a gun. My temper would probably land me in prison...)
Not sure if this has been posted. https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/downtown-portland-shooting-geoffrey-hammond-finance-fund-suspect-charged/283-7e0efeb4-b439-4e21-9533-e0ac40633343
Wow, that’s worse than I thought. The first article just mentioned a road rage incident, so I thought it was a heat of the moment shooting but this dude really intended to execute those people.
Damn. I’m going to my dentist right there tomorrow.
Hope you’ve been flossing
Portland dental baby!
More about the shooter: *"In May 2023, Hammond filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Court records indicate he owed roughly $34,000 in credit card debit and was out of a job after his company closed. Hammond owns an $890,000 home in Portland’s West Hills, a 2020 Mercedes SUV and four firearms, according to court documents.* *Witnesses told KGW that the driver of a black Mercedes SUV shot two people at the intersection of Southwest 10th Avenue and Alder Street on Wednesday afternoon. Police initially said that they’d detained someone in connection with the shooting, later saying that they’d booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center.* *Hammond now faces multiple charges, including murder in the second degree with a firearm, attempted murder in the second degree with a firearm, assault in the first degree with a firearm, and two counts of unlawful use of a weapon.* *Hammond, who is single with no children, has two traffic tickets in Multnomah County, according to court records. The federal bankruptcy filing indicates Hammond previously used the name Jeffrey Edward Mandalis. Court records indicate Mandalis has a criminal history in Illinois including charges of assault, vandalism, trespassing and domestic battery. "* Sounds like a real gem.
Was the shooter the person who was upset or the person others were mad at?
WHY NOT say the shooter's name??
Because despite all the hate, the two people who were shot were out of their vehicle, which means they were angry enough to get out of their vehicle to confront the driver. A good lawyer could argue he felt seriously threatened by two assailants coming to attack or even car Jack him, which there’s been a rise in. He’s not guilty until proven so by a court of law, not the comment section of Reddit.
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Sounds like the Mercedes driver (alleged shooter) drove to 1st and Jefferson and called 911…. So drove to the police station to turn themselves in? Supports your self-defense hypothesis.
Id like to comment here that the definition of deadly force self defense as a first strike action is an interesting claim. For all we know he shot a guy who was just going to yell some harsh words. Sorry I don't think I'll go along with definin black SUV dudes actions as justified self defense. I'll wait for the police report for final judgment. If on the street dude who got shot had a gun fine, but haven't seen one thing indicating a weapon or a physical hostile action other than walking towards someone. ...and if walking towards someone can get you fatally shot in "self defense" our society is fucked. ... and he fired three rounds, hitting one other person that doesn't sound like they approached...so
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thank you for the clarification.
Geoffrey E Hammond. It’s in the article.
(Shooter) 46-year-old Geoffrey Hammond https://www.kgw.com/article/news/crime/downtown-portland-shooting/283-82092876-c521-46ca-bc68-b08293eadc71
Jesus.
I don't want to detract away from a comment below of someone's direct experience with this, but they say they saw someone used a belt on a victim's leg. But I think this is vitally important to say EVERYONE SHOULD BE CARRYING TOURNIQUETS. They are extremely easy to use and far FAR more effective than a belt, belts will not be able to cut off blood supply as effectively as a tourniquet. Find and take a stop the bleed class, they run through how to pack wounds effectively as well as tourniquet usage. As this story shows, you never know when you may need something like this to save a life. https://www.redcross.org/store/american-red-cross-tactical-tourniquet-by-tactical-medical-solutions/SOFTT-W-RC.html
Happened right in front of me. Saw the first guy go down. Didn't know there was another one until I saw it later on the news. We ducked into a store nearby. The bang was so loud and then he was screaming and clutching himself.
There are enough problems In Downtown Portland. No one who is that provokable should have a gun. The Mercedes’ piece somehow makes it worse because it really seems like if he is in a place to be driving a Mercedes’ he could have made better choices and not taken away some one’s husband and possibly father. So so wrong.
People can make a lot of money, enough to buy a Mercedes, doin shady shit
A lot to unpack here. One thing about road rage is you never know how someone you confront is going to respond. Not condoning the shooter, but just a lesson in general about letting things go. Probably more to the story than we can say based on a few eye witness and second hand reports.
If it was stolen when he turned himself in he’s gonna get charged for murder, attempted murder and a stolen vehicle, unlawful use of a weapon…..probably be out on bail by Friday am
No, he has a 800k house in the West Hills and a Mercedes SUV.
I'm not getting this-- he shot two people who weren't in cars? How is that road rage? What the fuck happened?
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Please tell me again why just anyone should be able to buy any gun they want without any training, waiting period, or even just checking them out??? Gun owners have proven themselves to be an irresponsible group who need lots of regulation. This is stupid and gotten well out of hand. Just because some dusty old piece of paper said so a couple hundred years ago is wearing thin as a justification for every moron with anger issues and poor judgment to be able to buy killing machines at will.
Regardless how we got here, there are 400M guns on the streets. You ain’t getting rid of them. MAD doctrine suggests you’d better arm yourself. Anyways, I am pretty sure US political history would include plenty of dictatorships if it wasn’t for the second amendment.
Mutually assured destruction did not stop these chuckleheads. That sounds to me like you acknowledge that this is not a good situation, but having every citizen strapped and ready to kill at all times is no solution, it sounds like a living hell and no place I want to live. Gun owners, you’ve lost the plot completely. You’re so worried about losing your means to kill that we’re all starting to really worry about you.
My husband and I were in the Target on 10th and Morrison when this happened, our car was parked on 10th in between Morrison and Alder. Parked in a 15 min spot, went into Target to get our boosters at the CVS inside, waited the allotted 15 min after the shot and then tried to go outside, in that 15 minutes the shooting happened. Our car was then determined to be part of the active crime scene and we weren't able to access it or drive home for 4 hours. How depressingly "Portland" is that, to get a vaccine and come outside to see a shooting just happened. Madness.
i can not wait to leave this country. one day
Lemme guess. Washington plates?
Just out of curiosity, do people who live here feel like the city is headed in the right direction? I moved away and am visiting right now. Walked by this murder scene. And that wasn't even the crazy thing, it's just nonstop addicts doing drugs. I breathed in so much fent on my walk. Portland feels even worse than it was a year ago.
Better than ten years ago? No. Better than two years ago? Yes. I guess that classifies as heading in the right direction after a big backslide.
This answer best fits my perspective as well. We have a lot of work to do to get back to 10 years ago Portland, which of course even back then wasn't perfect. But we are noticeably better than we were two years ago, from my perspective of somebody who goes downtown, both day and night, regularly. I want to see more improvement, of course, and I know it will take lots of time and hard work. But I see nothing that comes even close to making me want to abandon this very unique and in many ways still amazing city.
100% agree
I think you're right, even though I live in a pretty dingy part of town. ( I will probably be employed full-time soon, so that has me in a better mood than the last couple of years.. )
Congrats! That’s something to be excited about
Yes. I’ve worked downtown for almost 18 years, and I’m positive about the direction of the city. It’s never been as bad as the toxic doomers on this sub have claimed, and it certainly isn’t now. Portland has grown significantly in a relatively shorty period of time, and we have some big city problems. But we also still have much of the beauty and wonderfulness we’ve always had, and I am happy to live here.
Let's put this incident in context. This has nothing to do with Portland being a "lawless hellhole." This is an isolated incident resulting from someone not being able to control their emotions while having access to a firearm. There is no part of this that can or should be put on Portland as a whole. That said, it's gonna get put on Portland as a whole.
There are so many isolated incidents resulting from people not being able to control their emotions while having access to a firearm though. Almost a pattern.
Not to me. I drove from South Portland to outer NE to Powell Butte today, and there were some sketchy spots, but it seemed a lot better than a year ago.
Counter-question: do you feel like literally any place in the United States is headed in the right direction? The crazy is among all of us now.
In some ways yes, in others no. Overall I feel positive though. Are there problems? Absolutely, but they aren’t insurmountable
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If you can smell it, you’re inhaling some level of compound for the molecules to reach your olfactory system. So yes, they likely inhaled some amount of whatever residual is emitted when fent is smoked